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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to Hurdle, a podcast that talks

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Speaker 1: to top entrepreneurs and badass humans who got through a

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Speaker 1: tough time in their life a hurdle of sorts.

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Speaker 2: By leaning into wellness. Fresh back from an unbelievable trip

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Speaker 1: Btw, I think I might be in slight fresh made

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Speaker 1: pasta withdrawal. My name's Emily Abadi. Mystick is that I

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Speaker 1: am a certified trainer, run and spin coach, also a writer,

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Speaker 1: editor and podcaster living here in New York City. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, I sit down with Whitney Tingle and Danielle Dubois.

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Speaker 1: I wish my last name was Dubos.

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Speaker 2: No offense be.

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Speaker 1: The founders of Sakara Life and Organic are ready to

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Speaker 2: A little note.

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Speaker 1: About what's going on with me. I guess it's kind

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Speaker 1: I am running the Boston Marathon a.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: On Hurdle, I'm sitting down with Whitney Tingle and Danielle

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Speaker 1: du Bois, the founders of Sakara Life, which is a

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Speaker 1: wellness company anchored in food as medicine. It offers ready

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Speaker 1: to eat plant based meals and snack supplements to men

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Speaker 1: and women everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Nicely said, thank you.

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Speaker 1: This is my first time having two people in the booth.

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Speaker 1: It feels exactly we're girl ganginging here. Yeah, this was fun,

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Speaker 1: great booth. So to kick things off, why don't you

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Speaker 1: both tell me a little bit about how you met,

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Speaker 1: because it's not like you walk up to someone on

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Speaker 3: Sto in multimillion dollars company together. No, that we've known

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Speaker 3: each other since we're your kids. We actually met in

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Speaker 3: seventh grade. Whitney was the new girl in school and

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Speaker 3: where were you in Sedona, Arizona. Which have you been

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Speaker 3: Up and everyone's bucket list. It's an incredible, incredible place.

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Speaker 3: It's very hippie spiritual, but also really really beautiful. It's

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Speaker 3: forces which people call the votex fortexes or vortices, and

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Speaker 3: so people a lot of people come from all over

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Speaker 3: You know how in La everywhere you go, your server

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Speaker 2: And he's got like acupunctles in the backs.

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Speaker 3: Probably probably So Anyway, we grew up there and it's

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Speaker 3: it's a very specific upbringing. You know, Whitney and I

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Speaker 3: met in math class in seventh grade and our teacher

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Speaker 2: Wow, teaching us algebra?

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Speaker 1: Right, Why don't we reel it in for just a

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Speaker 1: second here, talk to me about what Sakara Life is

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Speaker 1: kind of the foundations of what you guys have to

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: As you said, Sakara Life is a wellness company anchored

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Speaker 4: with food, powerful food and delicious food that you can

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Speaker 4: use to help heal your body to feel like your

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Speaker 4: absolute best self. And when you come to our site,

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Speaker 4: you're most likely going to notice our ready to eat

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Speaker 4: meal delivery. That's kind of how what we've been become

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Speaker 4: that is kind of the big focus when you come

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Speaker 4: to our website, getting to order breakfast, lunch, dinner, or

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Speaker 4: a combination of that, all made fresh, all organic, delivered

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Speaker 4: there's no prepping. It's not a meal kit. You just

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Speaker 2: Give me an example of some top meals.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you can think of us as like your

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Speaker 3: personal chef and nutritionist in one and it's all delivered

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Speaker 3: to you ready to eat. So some of our favorite

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Speaker 3: meals are usually ones that people like eating, but we've

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Speaker 3: kind of what we call sacarified them, so made them

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Speaker 3: incredibly healthy, incredibly healing. So we have a Red Beat

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Speaker 3: but it's made out of beets, really flavorful, and every

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Speaker 3: lunch and dinner comes with a big bed of greens.

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Speaker 3: And that's not because we just don't know what else

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Speaker 4: It's like, I like that burger salad. It's a Red

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Speaker 3: Getting your greens is one of the most important, like

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Speaker 3: core pillars of our nutrition philosophy. Doctor Robin Chutkin, who

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Speaker 3: is a friend and advisor, talks. She's a she's a

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Speaker 3: every single day, organic leafy greens.

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Speaker 1: I teach at a spin studio here and one of

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Speaker 2: Me, can I ask you a question? I was like,

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Speaker 1: She tells me that she's on her own personal weight

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Speaker 1: She's just eating. She's like, I eat so much protein

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really unlearning this idea of macro nutrients dictating

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Speaker 3: but it's really not even biologically and scientifically. You know,

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Speaker 3: is dictating how you digest your food. And from that,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know how many calories you absorb from

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Speaker 3: and I could perhaps absorb a lot more energy from

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Speaker 4: Right where you and the girl could eat the exact

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Speaker 4: same things in the exact same portions and have different outcomes,

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Speaker 4: absorb different amounts of calories and gain or lose weight differently.

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Speaker 3: And that's true with nutrients too, So one reason we'd

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Speaker 3: fat fad was, And it's because it takes your intuition

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Speaker 3: away from you the minute you know, there's a diet

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Speaker 3: to follow. And I know this personally because I was

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Speaker 3: just such a yoyo dieter. It was one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons we started Sakara was because Whitney and I hit

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Speaker 3: rock bottom at the exact same time. I'd been a

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Speaker 3: over the next fifteen years plus was trying every diet

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Speaker 3: next extreme diet. And all the diets taught me was that,

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Speaker 3: it also taught me that less is always better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything you're putting down is definitely something I can

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Speaker 1: relate with. I mean, I eyoyo dieted my entire life

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Speaker 1: And I think what you're saying about just this being

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Speaker 1: It's something that so many women, especially really.

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Speaker 4: Strong way, and I can only imagine what young women

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Speaker 4: I mean not just watching TV or flipping through a magazine,

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Speaker 1: I am so thankful that the only social media that

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Speaker 3: In Yeah, And it's because there's a lot of also

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Speaker 3: on a diet ever again?

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Speaker 1: And when you started eating this way or talking about

441
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Speaker 1: this and bringing this more into regular conversation, was it

442
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: in your head that you were going to start this

443
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: company or was it just we just us?

444
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 3: It was just us, It wasn't a company, yet we

445
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 3: were like so far away from thinking we were going

446
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 3: to start a successful company. At that point, we were

447
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: just trying to get by and survive and get to

448
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 3: a place where we felt like we were feeling really good.

449
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: I felt like it had been so long since I

450
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: felt really good. And you know, now that I've been

451
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: on this journey for almost seven years, I just I

452
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: recognize how many people are walking around feeling okay about

453
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 3: just feeling okay, like they don't know that they can

454
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 3: actually feel better. And so that's really where the mission

455
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: came was. You know, we transformed our lives to this

456
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Speaker 3: food program, you know, based on getting enough vegetables every

457
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Speaker 3: single day, high quality organic fruits and vegetables and plants,

458
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Speaker 3: and you know, making sure you're getting the colors and

459
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Speaker 3: the nutrients and you know, the protein and the healthy fats.

460
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Speaker 3: And it's really hard and it's really hard to do

461
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Speaker 3: on your own, you know, when we were cooking for ourselves,

462
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Speaker 3: spending all day at the grocery store or calling up

463
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Speaker 3: farmers trying to find you know, farmers that maybe weren't

464
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Speaker 3: organic but had the organic practices. It's like knowing where

465
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: your food comes from is half the battle, and then

466
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: making it taste good is.

467
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Speaker 4: The other half.

468
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Speaker 3: And then making sure you have access to it all

469
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: day every day is like the hardest part. And so

470
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: once we changed our own lives, like eating this way

471
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: for three weeks is when we both started to like

472
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: really see it was like the light of the end.

473
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Speaker 4: It was going somewhere.

474
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Speaker 2: And the building box for this came from you studying nutrition.

475
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then are also our background in Sedona of

476
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: just understanding that food was medicine, understanding the mind body

477
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Speaker 3: food connection and that what you eat impacts what you

478
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Speaker 3: think and how you feel and vice versa.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my mom growing up was all about this. She

480
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Speaker 4: still is, you know right now. She grows her own

481
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Speaker 4: organic garden in her yard. She flies in volcanic rock

482
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: dust from Italy to put on the produce in order

483
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Speaker 4: to increase the amount of minerals in her food. I'll

484
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Speaker 4: bring you some, yeah, thank you. Please do packed that

485
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 4: in your suitcase. It's really heavy.

486
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: I got you.

487
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 4: And you know, she was making me those peanut butter

488
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 4: and jelly sandwiches on the bread with all the twigs

489
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 4: and berries sticking out of it, grinding her own peanut butter,

490
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: you know, as the kid. Nobody wanted to trade lunch

491
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Speaker 4: with me at school, but she taught me, you know,

492
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Speaker 4: even as early as when I was first learning how

493
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Speaker 4: to read. She taught me how to read an ingredients label,

494
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Speaker 4: and she taught me which ingredients are healthy and which

495
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Speaker 4: ones aren't, so that I could make my own decisions

496
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Speaker 4: when she wasn't around.

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Speaker 1: So you would say that you were just making a

498
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Speaker 1: lot of the wrong decisions before you started eating this

499
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Speaker 1: way and permanently as an access and.

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Speaker 4: The access was a major part of it. And I

501
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 4: think our idea of what is really healthy also changed

502
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 4: because we thought we were eating healthy when we were

503
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: eating ezekiel toast with coconut oil and pink kimley and salt,

504
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Speaker 4: or like one hundred different forms of avocado toast, or

505
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: high fiber organic cereals with almond milk, raw trail mixes,

506
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: these types of things which are all considered healthy in

507
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: that healthy bucket, but they were all really dehydrating.

508
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Speaker 3: They're not staples.

509
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, they shouldn't be what you're living off of. They

510
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: should be here and there, and what you should be

511
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: living on is fresh produce, foods that contain water and

512
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: life inside of them and those are the things that

513
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 4: when you buy them a few days later, they're going

514
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: to go bad and they're going to die in your refrigerator.

515
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: And when you're busy, it's hard to take care of

516
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 4: those fresh, living foods in your refrigerator. So we were

517
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Speaker 4: just living off of shelf stable snacks and things that

518
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 4: were considered healthy, but we're dehydrating us.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here with Danielle and Whitney of Sakara Life.

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Speaker 1: So we've gotten to the point now in your story

538
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: where you both are eating completely differently than you used to.

539
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: What I want to hear about is when this shifts

540
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: and you start to understand that this is something you

541
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: need to share with other people.

542
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was about three weeks into eating

543
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: this way. So by eating this way, I mean, you know,

544
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: mostly a plant based diet, as Whitney said, getting all

545
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: of those fresh organic plants into our diet every single day.

546
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: At around three weeks, we both started to see this

547
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: light at the end of the tunnel. We were struggling,

548
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: her with acne and me with body imagicies and my

549
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: relationship to food, and I just something clicked in my

550
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: brain and it was almost like I remembered. It's like

551
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: I remembered that food was medicine, and I remember that

552
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: food was supposed to be nourishing and not the enemy.

553
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: And when you think about food as nourishment or food

554
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: as medicine instead of food as the enemy, instead of

555
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: worrying about, oh, am I getting too much, too many calories,

556
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: too much fat, all of these things you have to

557
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: worry am I getting enough? And it sounds really simple

558
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: now that I say it, but at the time, dealing

559
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: with you know, a decade plus body madicies and yo

560
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: yo dieting, that shift really allowed me to have an

561
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: entirely different relationship to my plate because it was about abundance,

562
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: and it was about joy, and it was about feeling

563
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: really good, and it was about you know, things tasting

564
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: really good instead of constantly worrying about how many calories

565
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: were in something, or if I should eat more of

566
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: this or less of this. And it brought this piece

567
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: that not only changed, you know, my emotional self, but

568
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: really changed my physical self. Like the shape of my

569
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: body changed, not just because of the different foods I

570
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: was eating, and I was eating a lot more healthily,

571
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: but also because of my emotional state and my relationship

572
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: to food. You know, because we know that the microbiome

573
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: impacts every aspect of your life. The microbiome is constantly

574
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Speaker 3: understanding if you're stressed, you know, if you're feeling guilty

575
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: about what you just ate. You know that raises your

576
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: cortisol and can cause adrenal fatigue, and can cause an

577
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: increase in belly fat, all of these things, and we

578
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: forget that everything is tied in a neat little bow.

579
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Speaker 3: That you can't just say, I'm going to go eat

580
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: low calorie, high protein, but then I'm going to feel

581
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Speaker 3: really guilty if i have a piece of chocolate cake after.

582
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Speaker 3: But then I'm gonna in the morning skip breakfast, and

583
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Speaker 3: then you know, like it just it's auspicious circle, and

584
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Speaker 3: we forget that each part of life is really connected.

585
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: So the minute I had a good relationship to my plate,

586
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: that actually changed my physical body as well. And for me,

587
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: I realized that after a decade of trying to fix

588
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: my skin and focusing on my face, it was actually

589
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: a gut problem and I had to heal my gut.

590
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: I had to heal my digestive system. And so I

591
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: stopped even just looking at my skin in the mirror.

592
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: I backed away. No more picking, no more poking, no

593
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: more creams, no more scrubbing. I backed away and I

594
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 4: focused on my gut. I focused on what I was eating,

595
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: what was on my plate, and making sure that all

596
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: of that was healthy and functioning, and it all just

597
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: started to clear up first time. Yeah, the inflammation started

598
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: to go down, the redness, fewer bumps started popping up.

599
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: And then I realized that there were other issues that

600
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: I had been battling with that also started to go away,

601
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: things like anxiety and female problems, that they were all

602
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: connected and it all stemmed from my gut and what

603
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: I was eating or what I wasn't eating.

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Speaker 2: More so, your friends, you start talking to your friends

605
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: about this.

606
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we realized that we had just found something

607
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: that was really powerful, and we had no idea how

608
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: to start a business, but we did have this really

609
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: strong conviction that it was our duty to share this

610
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: and that it couldn't just be recipes or tips, that

611
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: it really had to be the food, because you know,

612
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: we might think we know a lot, but nothing really

613
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: changes our lives until we take action. And it's a

614
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: lot easier to take action when the food is sitting

615
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: in front of you, ready to eat and you don't

616
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: have to do anything.

617
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: But people started to look at us and ask us

618
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: what we were doing, you know, our friends, our neighbors,

619
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Speaker 4: and they were like, can you just make whatever you're eating?

620
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Speaker 4: Can you just make some extra of that and give

621
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: it to me.

622
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Speaker 2: How did that feel for you?

623
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Speaker 1: Especially because previously so many people your problem is such

624
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: an exterior thing. Now people were looking to you for

625
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: advice instead of looking at you and making maybe snide

626
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: comments that made me fee uncomfortable.

627
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Speaker 4: I mean even still when people will tell me, oh, wow,

628
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: your skin is beautiful, what are you doing? I think

629
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: it's crazy. I'm like, I was never going to be

630
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: the girl that had great skin.

631
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Speaker 2: Never.

632
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: I never thought that that would have been possible.

633
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: Now you have great skin and a company, so people

634
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: are asking you to make them some food.

635
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, like now, looking back, that was

636
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: a pivotal moment, but at the time we were like, uh, okay.

637
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't like we were like, Okay, we're

638
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: going to build this into a huge company and do

639
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: it for me.

640
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: It was more.

641
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: It was so much more personal. It was like I

642
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 3: just wanted one other person to experience that same transformation

643
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: that I had because I knew so many women, especially women,

644
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: there's more and more meant to but going through some

645
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: version of what I'd gone through, that wanted to feel better,

646
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: that wanted to look better, and all they knew how

647
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: to do was diet, and so I really wanted one

648
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: other person to feel that transformation, and so starting to

649
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: deliver friends allowed us to understand that there was a

650
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: huge need and a huge opportunity.

651
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: Logistically speaking, what did that look like?

652
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: Like we were in our kitchen, stay up all night

653
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: long cooking, and the accountants or you know, the chefs,

654
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: the delivery people, the lawyers, we were the customer service people. Yeah,

655
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: we built our own website on iweb, which is so

656
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: asient now, Yeah, exactly, but you know, we I will

657
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: say that even though we had no idea what we

658
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: were doing, there was this really strong conviction in us

659
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 3: that we were onto something and that it was bigger

660
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: than us, and that the only thing we had to

661
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: do was keep going. Even on the days where we

662
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: were like what are we doing, We're like delivering to

663
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 3: ten people and pretending like this is a huge company.

664
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: It's like you have those moments, but you have like

665
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: everybody forgets that a company starts with one person and

666
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: then two and then forty clients and then a million clients,

667
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: but it starts with one and you have to be

668
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: okay with that.

669
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: I sat down with Sadie Lincoln she's the founder of

670
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: Bar three.

671
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we know her.

672
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: She's a couple of weeks back. Her POD's live, if

673
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: you want to take her. I sat down with Sadie

674
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: and she designates that as quote unquote warrior state. So

675
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: you go into warrior state when something is truly right

676
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: for you and instead of taking days, weeks, months to

677
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: figure it out, it all just starts to happen because

678
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: you are doing exactly what you're supposed to do. And

679
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: so you guys were in warrior state creating what you

680
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: didn't even know would become this company. So it starts

681
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: off delivering to friends. You're up all night. You're also

682
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: still at your jobs respectively.

683
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: I was still in school. You were in school, and

684
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: you were at your job on Wall Street.

685
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you'd moved to a new company, but yeah,

686
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: you were still working working in finance.

687
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: When did you ditch the job and when did you

688
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: finish school?

689
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: Twelve was really when we decided, okay, this is something.

690
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: And I think we initially started it in probably twenty eleven,

691
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: but twenty twelve, a year later, we were like, okay,

692
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: this is taking up a lot of time. It's clearly

693
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: like our mission, Like we love it. I think we

694
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: need to really just give this a go.

695
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: And for me, I had taken you know, the GMAT,

696
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: and I was looking at going to business school. Why

697
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: don't I put those two years toward trying to build

698
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: a business. And at the end of the two years,

699
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: maybe I'll have more experience in building business than I

700
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 4: would have received at business school. And if not, business

701
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: school is always there. And for me, that helped me

702
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 4: to mitigate the risk.

703
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: When do you move out of the kitchen?

704
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: It was a long time, Like we did everything for

705
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: a really long time. We started the company with seven

706
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: hundred dollars in twenty twelve. We aired our first employee

707
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen.

708
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: What did that employee do?

709
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: More like marketing, customer service kind of like everything from

710
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 3: the computer type of work.

711
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: And you had a website at this point and people

712
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: we could order from you.

713
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: Order is a strong word. They could read about us

714
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 3: and then email us to order. There was no purchase button,

715
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: and then we would send you a PayPal invoice. We

716
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: counted it took like seven emails for us to get

717
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 3: cash in the bank. It's not an efficient model whatsoever.

718
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 3: And then you know, we just slowly started to build

719
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: and fifteen clients turned into one hundred clients, and you know,

720
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: we realized that we got our first press piece from

721
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: Daily Candy, which I don't know if you remember.

722
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: Piece, but that was huge for us.

723
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 3: And we woke up one morning to find like thousands

724
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: and thousands of emails trying to order because you couldn't

725
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: order online, and you know, we had to tell people

726
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: we were sold out because we were we were like,

727
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: we couldn't cook that much ourselves. And that was when

728
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: we decided to like hire a kitchen team and really

729
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: get a commercial kitchen, youah, people that knew how to cook.

730
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: And you know, that's that's how we started. We had

731
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: no idea what we were doing. We just kept going

732
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: and nothing stopped us, even the days that were really

733
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 3: hard and you're supposed to have four chefs but only

734
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: one show up, or you know, the palette of cauliflower

735
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: that you ordered from the local farmer, like their fields

736
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: got rained out and so you only got half a palette.

737
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: It's like, it's so my numbing to think about what

738
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: we used to go through just the two of us.

739
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 4: Aphids. Have you ever seen a million aphids covering cauliflower?

740
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

741
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: That dealing with organic nature mother nature.

742
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sometimes yeah, she's not she's.

743
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: Not there to't necessarily like help things, you know, she's

744
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: not there to make them easier, that's for sure.

745
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: Where was this kitchen?

746
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Was it?

747
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: Here?

748
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 4: Was it? We've been through a lot of kitchen We

749
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: definitely kitchen hop because you grow out of them really quickly.

750
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: You know, you're not going to We didn't. We didn't

751
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: have money, so it wasn't like we could invest in

752
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: a kitchen that was a little too big and grow

753
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: into it. So we would hop a lot, but most

754
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: of them were in Brooklyn because you needed the space.

755
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: And we started in share kitchens, and you know, it

756
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: was really really hard by the way, Like we had

757
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: never run a kitchen before. We had no idea how

758
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: to hire for the roles. We had no idea what

759
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: staffing a kitchen looked like. We just started like we

760
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 3: had done it for so long that we knew what

761
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: had to happen. So we just started hiring people with

762
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: knife skills and chef skills and built up the team

763
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: like that.

764
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: Where'd the money come from?

765
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: The seven hundred dollars, Yeah, seven hundred dollars, that's what

766
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: we started. The company with where the rest of the

767
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: money come from sales? Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,

768
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: as a good old mom pop business model. It's like

769
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: we didn't have money to invest outside. We raised seven

770
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 3: hundred dollars from throwing a dinner party and charging tickets,

771
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: and that's what allowed us to buy our domain name.

772
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: We bought marketing cards.

773
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: Got to register the business.

774
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, registered the business, and from there on it was

775
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 3: like growth was what field?

776
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: Growth?

777
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that we had to price our service at the price,

778
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 4: at the cost that it actually costs to deliver the meals.

779
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Where does the name come from?

780
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: Sakara is a Sanskrit word. It means with form, having form,

781
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: or giving form to that that doesn't have form. So

782
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: your thoughts, your dreams, your ideas, your goals, how do

783
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 4: you take all those things and bring them to reality?

784
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: Give them a form. It's the manifestation of thoughts to things.

785
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: And for us, we had a huge vision, we still

786
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: have a huge vision of what Sakara could be, and

787
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 4: so it was giving form to that vision and for

788
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: our clients, we hoped it would be the tools to

789
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: allow them to turn their dreams into a reality.

790
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Did you just come up with that name? Instantly. That's

791
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: never how it happens.

792
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: No, it found us.

793
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: We found us.

794
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 4: We were looking for a name.

795
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: And nothing was really clicking. And then I think Whitney

796
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: was studying yoga at the time, and so we were

797
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: looking at some Sanskrit words and that one just fell

798
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: in our lap.

799
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: So everybody tried to tell us it was wrong.

800
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Well, and then our entire business model was

801
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: never going to work, Like, who's gonna want healthy food delivered?

802
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: People want pizza and burgers and sushi delivered, and you

803
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: should change your name to Healthy Meals NYC. We had

804
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: all the naysayers. I always say, you know, if you

805
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: have naysayers, then you're probably doing things the right way.

806
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: So how many customers would you say you have regularly

807
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: right now?

808
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 4: Thousands? Yea thousands, and we're delivering to people all across

809
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: the country now.

810
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: And you said celebrities before. What kind of celebrities we're

811
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: talking about?

812
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Kate Hudson's been on our program, Chrissy Chigan,

813
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: Lily Aldridge of many we can't name.

814
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: But we even have some NFL players from some teams

815
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: that you would definitely recognize.

816
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: I love your plant based guy.

817
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and then we have really amazing people

818
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: even in the middle of the country, places where you'd think,

819
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 4: you know, they would not to eat this way. Yeah,

820
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: but they are because the knowledge is getting out there.

821
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: What you put into your body doesn't just affect your

822
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: physical body or your energy levels today, but also into

823
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: the future. That your body will regenerate itself up to

824
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: nine times in your lifetime, and what it uses to

825
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: recreate the bone and the muscle and the tissues is

826
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: what you're.

827
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Eating, right, And obviously there's a lot of value placed

828
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: on what you put into your body, which brings me

829
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: to the point that buying sacar life is necessarily the

830
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: absolute cheapest thing you can do if you're trying to

831
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: eat healthy. Obviously, eating this way comes at a cost

832
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: for someone that's interested in what you guys have to offer,

833
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: but might not have the money to front for something

834
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: like this. Would you say your biggest piece of advice

835
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: to someone for healthy eating is the greens or where

836
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: would you start from?

837
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say quality always over quantity, that you know,

838
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: organic really matters, Organic really matters, and to focus on

839
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: fresh fruits and vegetables every single day, and the more

840
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: organic fruits and vegetables you can get onto your plate,

841
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: the better, and to get at least eight cups of

842
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: leafy greens every day, which is a lot.

843
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: How much is too much fruit? I think that's a

844
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: big topic, you know.

845
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: I don't think the problem is a cup of raspberries.

846
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: I think that you don't think that's the problem. No,

847
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: I think the problem is a lot of other things.

848
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: I think if it comes straight from the earth and

849
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: it's organic and that covered in pesties sides, then you

850
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: are on the right track and don't worry about it.

851
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: You know, maybe in a year.

852
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I want people to like, take it slowly.

853
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: I don't think that you have to jump all in.

854
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 3: We get a lot of clients that want to jump

855
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: all in and I love that, but that doesn't mean

856
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: that's for everyone. And so if you can even just

857
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 3: get more fruits and vegetables onto your plate every single day,

858
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: that will start to change and heal your gut.

859
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: Starting this business must have been frightening, especially when you

860
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: left your full time job to come and to do

861
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: this with your best friend.

862
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: Hiring the first employee, that's the scariest, yeah, because we

863
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: weren't even paying ourselves, so.

864
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: When you're in this frightening position and you look back

865
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: on that, Now, what is one piece of advice you

866
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: would have given yourselves at that point.

867
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot about this idea of finding your mission,

868
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: and for us it was and I love what Sadie

869
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: was saying about that you know that warrior state, because

870
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: it's just so true. It's like you can find your passion,

871
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: but like your passion is kind of what you like

872
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 3: to do. If you're going to really devote your life

873
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: to something, it has to be a mission, and it

874
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: has to be bigger than you, and it has to

875
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: impact lives, and that might be bigger and beyond what

876
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: you just kind of like to do. So you know,

877
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: I guess I would have told myself that, like, you're

878
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: on the right track because you feel so emotionally invested

879
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: that you're going to do whatever it takes to make

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Speaker 3: sure other people get to transform their lives through food

881
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: is medicine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were given the advice early on to focus

883
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: on how we are in service to other people and

884
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 4: that was really impactful. So just reiterating that of stay

885
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: focused on the lives that you're helping to change, and

886
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: that'll always lead you in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of fun ingredients in your foods.

888
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: Why don't you rattle off a few of them?

889
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: Jennifer Berry, Hempster breakfast in the morning, Yashua Gandha Rose.

890
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: I'm just adding to bluea turmeric.

891
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we make it fun and sexy.

892
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: Like it.

893
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: You can eat really healthfully and still have fun and

894
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: can be delicious.

895
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: Sparelina is so sexy that whoa Yeah, dlimcuna. I think

896
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: I've had something with dandelion? What is the most uncanny

897
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: if we can use that designation additive that you like? Like,

898
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: what do you You're like that dandelion root? Man?

899
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: Oh?

900
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 4: Like, what's your favorite?

901
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: Seah, what's your favorite?

902
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: I actually really like barley grass. Yeah we have we

903
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 4: have a Yeah, you're laughing at us right now. We

904
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 4: see that listener.

905
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: I just love it.

906
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: I just love it because you really have to take

907
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: a step back, and I feel like in New York

908
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: we're in the bubble sometimes and a lot of major

909
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: cities you're in the bubble where these things are actually

910
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: very accessible, although they sound kind of obscure.

911
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: But someone that could be listening to this and they

912
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Speaker 2: are in Alabama and you.

913
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Speaker 4: Can find Barley Grass on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe now they know that, but they didn't know

915
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: that before. And it's so uncanny and funny to me that,

916
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Speaker 1: you know, we're so fortunate to have access to these things,

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Speaker 1: and it's really spreading this knowledge that there are things

918
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Speaker 1: like that that can be so good for you, these superfoods,

919
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and they're not so widely talked about, and it's how

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00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: to incorporate them into your diet and what kinds of

921
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Speaker 1: benefits you can get when you do so.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I also think about that though, as like

923
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: the cherry on top, if you think about the entire cake,

924
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: like that's the stuff that we all have access to,

925
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: and that's you know, fresh fruit and vegetables, and that's

926
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Speaker 3: really what I want people to focus on. I love

927
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Speaker 3: the superfoods and they're a core part of our pillars

928
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Speaker 3: of nutrition. But that's like if you've got everything else,

929
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Speaker 3: Like I know people that will just like you know,

930
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Speaker 3: focus on having like a powdered breakfast because it's all superfoods,

931
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: and it's like, no, that that doesn't count. You have

932
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: to get the fresh fruits and veggies.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite failure from building your company?

934
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Speaker 4: H I guess we're really not the types to think

935
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Speaker 4: about failure's lessons. Yeah, there are lessons where you can

936
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: look at failures and let it get you down, or

937
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 4: you can look at failures as Okay, that was great,

938
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 4: now we learned that and so we won't have to

939
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Speaker 4: do it next time, or it gave us the gateway

940
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Speaker 4: into something better over here. And so you know, when

941
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: I think about failures, it was all just stepping stones

942
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: to get to where we are today. So it's really

943
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm always just so focused on where

944
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Speaker 4: we're going that it's hard for me to even think

945
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 4: about what we did wrong. What we did wrong, Yeah,

946
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Speaker 4: because it felt like it needed to happen. I mean

947
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: for me, it's more. There were a ton of struggles,

948
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 4: like definitely challenges and struggles and days that we wanted

949
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Speaker 4: to give up some wild things like we.

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Speaker 3: Piloted baby food, which obviously never had work. You know,

951
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: we had a ton of ideas we used to have

952
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: like a superfood pack where we could buy like all

953
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 3: these different superfoods. Like We've done a lot of things

954
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: that just didn't click and weren't right. And that's been

955
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: lessons of really sticking to our core and what we

956
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: know because it's really easy to get distracted, and we've

957
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: definitely learned that lesson the hard way.

958
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Speaker 1: Over what other goals do you have personally for the

959
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: next year or so, I feel like you probably have

960
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: something to weigh in on here.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, and becoming a mother this year, which is wild.

962
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Speaker 3: And I've been really enjoying the journey, not just of pregnancy,

963
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: not just personally, but I've been enjoying sharing the journey.

964
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Speaker 3: I thought a lot about, you know, should I keep

965
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: it to myself, like keep it between my friends and family.

966
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: I decided to share my journey because I found that

967
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: there weren't a lot of people talking about it in

968
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: a real way, and there's definitely more and more now

969
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: that I'm in it, I've learned about more and more.

970
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: But you know, I wanted to talk about the ups

971
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: and the downs. I wanted to talk about, you know

972
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: how my first trimester I couldn't get leafy greens down.

973
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Speaker 3: And that's okay, even though that's like, you know, what

974
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying is everyone has to get it every single

975
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: day that I had to learn grace, and I had

976
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Speaker 3: to learn how to be gentle with myself, and I

977
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: had to you know, learn a lot of lessons that

978
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 3: I think will impact how I mother. But I wanted

979
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: to be really honest and open about that, and it's

980
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: opened a lot of doors, you know, in in the

981
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: company as well, and how we speak to mothers and

982
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: how we speak to potential mothers as well.

983
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Speaker 2: So you've got the babe to look forward to. Yeah,

984
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: what about it in June? What about you?

985
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: Well, I guess that makes me an auntie right, yes,

986
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: which that'll be great. I'm just really excited for everything

987
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: that we're Conto doing to build and grow. We have

988
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 4: around one hundred employees now and those all feel like

989
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: children too, and you know, just nurturing the business and

990
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 4: nurturing our clients. We have amazing new products that we're

991
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 4: launching this year. One is a product that will be

992
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: at a more accessible price point for more people across

993
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 4: the country. So, you know, just going back to our

994
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 4: mission of trying to help as many people as possible,

995
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: discover the power of food is medicine and feel that

996
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 4: transformation that we felt in our bodies in their own

997
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: bodies too.

998
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: This is such a teaser.

999
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be coming out in May, so stay tuned.

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00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: I like it.

1001
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 4: Look at our website, you know, and for the time being,

1002
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: we're just helping continue to spread the word and you

1003
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 4: can check out our website at Sikara dot com.

1004
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: What's it like building a business with your best friend?

1005
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: For us, it's been the best. Yeah, Like I don't

1006
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: I can't imagine. You know, we call ourselves where's like

1007
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: soul sisters. But I think one thing you know that

1008
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 3: you have to look out for is I want her

1009
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: happiness before the companies. And that's very clear to me

1010
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 3: that those are my priorities. But then it's like the

1011
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: company is our baby together, so we're usually aligned on

1012
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: wanting the business to succeed also, but I think that

1013
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: it's really important that when you start a business with

1014
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: anyone that you would consider a friend, that the friendship

1015
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: runs so deep that you're willing to sacrifice your career

1016
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: and your success for the other person's happiness. And then

1017
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 3: your choices are really clear. And you know, we're lucky

1018
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: enough we speak telepathically. We've known each other forever. The

1019
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: communication is really strong, and I think that keeps our

1020
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: relationship really authentic and truthful and healthy.

1021
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that helps a lot that we can just text

1022
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 4: each other at all hours. Of the day or night,

1023
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 4: about anything, about anything that has to do with work

1024
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: or personal life.

1025
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Would you say that having a similar bringing contributes to that?

1026
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: For sure? For sure?

1027
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: You know, like we played volleyball together, we're in varsity together,

1028
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: we were on student council together. It's also just a

1029
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 3: lifetime of knowing someone that there's this like we're family,

1030
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 3: so there's this innate trust.

1031
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: Also, are coming to the end of our time here.

1032
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: I'd love to kind of close on a positive note.

1033
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: I want to ask the both of you to tell

1034
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: me something that you value in the other person.

1035
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: I like that Danielle is a rule breaker, that she

1036
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: has never let the rules of society or the way

1037
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 4: that things are supposed to be done stop her from

1038
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: doing something the way that she wants to do it

1039
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: or believes is the right way for her to do it.

1040
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: And I think that that has helped us grow and

1041
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: build and become what we are today, because if you

1042
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: always follow the rules, then you're never doing anything different.

1043
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: Thanks with Yeah, I remember getting advice early on. It's

1044
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: like any rule that you follow was just made up

1045
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: by someone else. Just make up your own. I really

1046
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: value Whitney's intelligence, you know, She's probably one of the

1047
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: smartest people I've ever known, and in a really interesting

1048
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 3: way where.

1049
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 4: She thinks through.

1050
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: She loves to think. She loves to just like sit

1051
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: and think through problems. And you know, I'm mercurial and

1052
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: fast and like to make fast decisions. And she's the

1053
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: perfect opposite to me, which is I want to think through.

1054
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: What are the outcomes? You know, what are all of

1055
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: our choices?

1056
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 4: Could this be better?

1057
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: And I think it's really helped us not only differentiate

1058
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: from the very beginning, but helps us continue to differentiate

1059
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: as we grow.

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Speaker 1: Ladies, thanks so much for hanging out with Please take

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Speaker 1: a moment to leave quick review by clicking the link

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Speaker 1: with the description to this episode.

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Speaker 2: We all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to

1064
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: hear about yours.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle dot us,

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Speaker 1: connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly, feel free to stalk us all a

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Speaker 1: little bit too. Ladies, give me the social rundown. Where

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Speaker 1: do we find you? Sakara life, websites, etc.

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Speaker 4: I'm at Whitney Tingle and I'm at Danielle Dubois and

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Speaker 4: we're both at Sakara life.

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Speaker 1: That was beautiful. Thank you, Thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: am at Emily Abadi. Thanks again, guys, another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 1: Catch you next time.