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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast, presented by the Chargers

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I am the

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Speaker 2: host as always and joining me Joining me is my

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Speaker 2: guy Tyler. Tyler, what's on man doing tonight?

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Speaker 3: Yippi k Melon Farmer? It is Cowboys week. I am excited.

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Speaker 3: It was nice having a bye week, you know, he

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Speaker 3: didn't have to cover anything really over back Monday night

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Speaker 3: football is here. Steven. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: I think I understand where the pop culture references to

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Speaker 2: that one, so I missed the one from last week,

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Speaker 2: So I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: Man. You know, it's been been a nice week.

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Speaker 2: To recharge, you know, for our Chargers audience. I went

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Speaker 2: back to Utah visits some family for my brother's wedding

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Speaker 2: and you know, got away from the screen for a

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Speaker 2: little bit and it was great. So we obviously did

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Speaker 2: have to cover a trade last week, which we are

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Speaker 2: going to dive into a little bit more today. We

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Speaker 2: do have Brad Spielberger from Pro Football Focus joining us

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Speaker 2: for about twenty minutes or so on on this episode,

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Speaker 2: picked his brain a little bit about the financial side

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Speaker 2: of things. After the JC Jackson trade and then just

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Speaker 2: you know, had some great conversation about the Chargers and

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Speaker 2: the rest of the season, and you know, it was

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Speaker 2: a great time talking with Brad today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brad's awesome. Sometimes listening to either Argent or Brad

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Speaker 3: is like listening to my grandpa talk about military history,

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Speaker 3: where they just rattle off information. Are you just sitting

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Speaker 3: there like uh huh, yep, totally makes sense. You can

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Speaker 3: just kind of nod your head. And Brad's one of

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Speaker 3: the best, and for a reason. He knew everything right

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Speaker 3: off the top of his head. He knew the Charger's

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Speaker 3: red zone efficiency right off the top of his head.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's awesome and it's an honor to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the preparation definitely stands out. I for like the

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Speaker 2: financial stuff, Like I have to re listen to Argent

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Speaker 2: and Brad like a few times and like all texts

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Speaker 2: Argent throughout the week, okay, like what does this mean?

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Speaker 2: Like okay, like what is this? Like where do they

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Speaker 2: get this are from? And you know, I really respect

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Speaker 2: guys who just like they're they're so tuned in and

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Speaker 2: great conversation with Brad, and we're excited to get get

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Speaker 2: to that here in a minute. First and foremost, Tyler

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Speaker 2: and I are fans of the team, just like you

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Speaker 2: guys are. We've been granted this platform and are very

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Speaker 2: grateful for it. But the opinions that we express on

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Speaker 2: this show, on this platform are strictly our own. They

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Speaker 2: are not the opinion of the Chargers organization themselves. This

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Speaker 2: is our outlet for us to talk about charge of

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Speaker 2: Football and we're and we're grateful for it, but the

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Speaker 2: opinions are strictly our owned. So that being said, let's

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Speaker 2: get to this interview with mister Brad spielbergerper thrilled to

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Speaker 2: be joined by mister Brad Spielberger from Pro Football Focused.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the best in the business when

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Speaker 2: it comes to breaking down the cap, breaking down the

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Speaker 2: economics side of the NFL, and we're super excited to

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Speaker 2: have him on today. Well, we'll talk about some of

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Speaker 2: the J. C. Jackson stuff, Like I said, some of

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Speaker 2: the repercussions from that trade, and then we'll also get

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Speaker 2: some of Brad's And now I'm just kind of the

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Speaker 2: rest of the season. I know everybody's kind of talking

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Speaker 2: So we'll we'll pick Brad's brain a lot about all

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Speaker 1: So Brad, thanks for joining us. Man. How you doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks much for having me doing well, Like you said,

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Speaker 4: just getting ready for trade deadline season and all that madness.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of fan here because we have you know Argent,

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Speaker 3: of course, we know Argin. We all know Argent of

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Speaker 3: work with Argin and he said nothing but great things.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of fan boying here because my reputation, you're

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Speaker 5: Well, very very kind. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've I've had the pleasure of interviewering Brad on

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Speaker 2: This is Tyler's first time, you know, I usually do

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Speaker 1: I know that there was there's.

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Speaker 2: Always a lot of you know, financial talk that gets

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Speaker 1: In terms of the.

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Speaker 2: Short term impact of trading J. C. Jackson, what is

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Speaker 5: For twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: You do clear a little bit of money, the one

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Speaker 4: So we're talking over thirty million dollars in cap hit,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Explain to me again, why is it that they

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So before this trade it went down, you already had

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Speaker 5: So basically where it works is let's say that's what

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Speaker 4: If you give a guy a twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: Gotch.

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Speaker 2: So the relief from this, from getting off of this

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Speaker 4: because you then can't carry over that cap space into

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Speaker 4: you either haven't twenty you either have the dead cap

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Speaker 4: of yeah, I mean the relief is just having him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, difficult either way. There one thing that I wasn't

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Speaker 3: We don't know this one hundred percent to be sure,

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So Look, those guys don't say stuff like that by accident.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, the grievance would be refusing to.

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Speaker 4: be going after. Essentially, the teams can try to go

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Speaker 4: after the signing bonus money that it look they already

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Speaker 4: those proation amounts I just talked about. So you could say,

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Speaker 4: all right, for the fifteen million dollars owed from twenty

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Speaker 4: It's very very hard to accomplish. Like if you do

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Speaker 4: but good luck with that. If you do get that

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Speaker 4: cash back, you would be able to get not only

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Speaker 4: a cash relief but also a salary cap credit.

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Speaker 5: But there's a whole long process.

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Speaker 4: While you're during the grievance, there's a hold on your

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Speaker 4: your salary at the time. It's a whole convoluted process.

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Speaker 4: My guess is they just kind of clean their hands.

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Speaker 1: And move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly sounds that way too. And we'll get

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Speaker 2: to some of the onfield stuff. I'm curious now because

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Speaker 2: we've we've seen some other trades happening recently too, the

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Speaker 2: like swapping of the seventh round and the sixth round pick.

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Speaker 2: What does that really equate to if anything, from like

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Speaker 2: a draft capital perspective.

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Speaker 4: It's effectively a wash, really, right, I mean, once you

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Speaker 4: find good players in the later rounds. But like swapping

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Speaker 4: it's really the NFL's version of a salary dump trade, right,

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Speaker 5: That's the target.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right with you, guys, nine to ten wins.

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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. You know, we saw the highlights of

438
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Speaker 4: tc of him going up and make contest and catches

439
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Speaker 4: stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: Josh Palmer.

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Speaker 4: Look, the ceiling is not super high. We know who

442
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Speaker 4: he is, but I think he's a very high floor,

443
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Speaker 4: solid football player. You do go back to the issue

444
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Speaker 4: of not having a lot of explosiveness, which in theory

445
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Speaker 4: was kind of why you know you'd want to Quentin Johnston.

446
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Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean, look, I think that's maybe

447
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Speaker 4: why you do add a speedster or something of that nature.

448
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Speaker 5: I mean, terrace.

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Speaker 4: Marshall's a good downfield target last year had like a

450
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Speaker 4: ninety grade on past his ten plus yards downfield at

451
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Speaker 4: one drop on like twenty five targets, Like, he's good.

452
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Speaker 4: He's good downfield. But yeah, I understand the frustration, but

453
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I kind of get why he's being

454
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Speaker 4: brought along slowly, although maybe that maybe that changes out

455
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Speaker 4: of his buy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely could regarding Marshall, there could definitely be something there.

457
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Speaker 3: The Charges have obviously done trade with Carolina with trade

458
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Speaker 3: Turner before, and then they have some connection there with

459
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Speaker 3: Frank Reix, so that's potentially something there. What do you

460
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Speaker 3: weigh then, like, how do you weigh the investment in

461
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Speaker 3: a first round pick when it's a receiver, like it's

462
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Speaker 3: a first round pick. You have a very cost controlled

463
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Speaker 3: player for we're assuming maybe five years here. How do

464
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Speaker 3: you weigh like waiting for what seems to be now

465
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Speaker 3: with Quinton Johnson, maybe an entire year to get him

466
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Speaker 3: to really be the guy in twenty twenty four versus

467
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Speaker 3: finding someone with maybe a lower ceiling, but he's playing

468
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 4: It's philosophy for the draft and less so in the

470
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Speaker 4: first round maybe to a degree, and of course less

471
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Speaker 4: so if the context of your roster, which is my

472
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Speaker 4: opinion again the window is justin Herbert's career, but there

473
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Speaker 4: is a window right now with a lot of these

474
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Speaker 4: players that are currently on the roster. But you know,

475
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Speaker 4: I think it was smart to take him because Mike

476
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Speaker 4: Williams and again like the injury aside, obviously feel bad

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Speaker 4: for him, but I didn't know if Mike Williams or

478
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Speaker 4: Keenan Allen was gonna be on the roster in twenty

479
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Speaker 4: twenty four. I think Keenan Allen's probably playing his way

480
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Speaker 4: into that being the case now, but you know, I

481
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Speaker 4: don't know. If he dealt with Hammis for ten weeks

482
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Speaker 4: again this season, I could see that not being the case,

483
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Speaker 4: so knock, I wouldn't trying how drink drinks the guy.

484
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Speaker 4: But but yeah, so I get it. I'm cool that

485
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Speaker 4: I like the idea because I'm always a fan of

486
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Speaker 4: you draft for the future, you draft and develop, and

487
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Speaker 4: you want to in the first round in particular, you

488
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Speaker 4: want to hit high upside guys that that could turn

489
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Speaker 4: into you know, force multipliers and true difference makers, not

490
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Speaker 4: just like good football players, you know.

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Speaker 5: But I also get the argument, know the other the

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Speaker 5: other way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll get you out of here. A couple

494
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Speaker 2: more questions here. There's a lot of MVP talk happening already.

495
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Speaker 2: A certain quarterback in San Francisco is is kind of

496
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Speaker 2: the hot topic right now. But we'll focus focus is

497
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Speaker 2: in on Justin Herbert. What do you think his MVP

498
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Speaker 2: case is this year and what would really have to happen.

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Speaker 1: For him to make a strong case for that kind

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Speaker 1: of MVP kind of push down the stretch of this season.

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Speaker 4: They probably could be a case or a narrative around

502
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Speaker 4: if he has to get all these shootouts and throw

503
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Speaker 4: their way to victory because you know, the defense is

504
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Speaker 4: not playing not playing well and obviously now Austin Eckler

505
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Speaker 4: has missed time. Josh Kelly didn't really make the most

506
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Speaker 4: of that opportunity, you know, so like that would be

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Speaker 4: the narrative. It is like he has to score thirty

508
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Speaker 4: points to win every game. I mean the Minnesota game.

509
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Speaker 4: I thought he was exceptional a couple of the games

510
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Speaker 4: this season, like look, and I also love him just

511
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Speaker 4: because he avoids turnovers. He also has a good pressure

512
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Speaker 4: to sack right always does, always one of our highest

513
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Speaker 4: credit quarterbacks against pressure, which is supposed to be a

514
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Speaker 4: super unstable stat, and yet he keeps showing up high

515
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Speaker 4: in the metric year after year, you know, good against

516
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Speaker 4: the blitz, like all those things. So I think the

517
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Speaker 4: contextual components of just a what he has to do

518
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Speaker 4: to keep his team in games, but then be you know,

519
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Speaker 4: we'd like to see more exposiveness, more touchdown throws, all that,

520
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Speaker 4: but limiting the negatives is so important for this team

521
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Speaker 4: right now, and he's as good as anyone at avoiding

522
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Speaker 4: turnover worthy plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta do that this week. I think the next

524
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Speaker 3: two weeks for sure are narrative changing kind of players

525
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Speaker 3: or at least pushing those things. With the Cowboys and

526
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs. Got to ask you before we get out

527
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Speaker 3: of here, what is your prediction for the Chargers this

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Speaker 3: Monday against the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a shootout. I know the

530
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Speaker 4: total is at forty eight at open. I hopped on

531
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Speaker 4: the over it's already at fifty one, I think. So

532
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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to brag about my closing line value.

533
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Speaker 4: It's probably a little, but no, I really, I really

534
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Speaker 4: do think it's gonna be a shootout. It's interesting Dallas

535
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Speaker 4: now for me, with the loss of Layton vander esh

536
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Speaker 4: they already lost to Marbion Overshown before the season. Their

537
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Speaker 4: linebacker core right now is scary. And then they're talking

538
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Speaker 4: about already Micah Parsons now playing more off ball, which

539
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Speaker 4: I get that, Like you're thin there, but okay, you're

540
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Speaker 4: gonna take your best pass rusher, a top five pass

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Speaker 4: rusher in the NFL, out of the defensive line.

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Speaker 5: That's great, that's great news. The Charger probably lovely that line. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think you can attack the middle of

544
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Speaker 4: the field against this team really well.

545
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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 4: Look, I like their safeties, but all three of them

547
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Speaker 4: I think are good players. But I think attacking this

548
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Speaker 4: second level. Keenan Allen just feasting. You know, Josh Palmer

549
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Speaker 4: as well. Though, getting Austin Ekler, it seems like he'll

550
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Speaker 4: be back in the fold. I think he can make

551
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Speaker 4: their second leveld defenders miss in space and rack up

552
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Speaker 4: a ton of yards after the catch against his team.

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Speaker 5: So that's what I love.

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Speaker 4: But then, yeah, on the defensive side, this Cowboys offensive

555
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Speaker 4: line has been awesome. I mean, you have a you

556
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Speaker 4: have a healthy unit now across the board. Tyler Smith

557
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Speaker 4: is our highest rated guard in the NFL. Tyron Smith.

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Speaker 4: Whenever he's healthy, he's awesome, you know, and so on

559
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Speaker 4: and so forth. So I really do think both teams

560
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Speaker 4: are gonna score and it's gonna be a classic. Whoever

561
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Speaker 4: is the ball last probably wins the game, you know,

562
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Speaker 4: another heart attack for Chargers fans, like every Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I didn't hear a score prediction in there.

564
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Speaker 4: Though, score prediction. I will give you thirty one to

565
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Speaker 4: twenty seven Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, there we go. Love to see it. I

567
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Speaker 2: love to see it. Brad really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: One of the one of our favorite interviews to do.

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Speaker 1: Glad you were able to.

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Speaker 2: Join us on the Charters official channel. So can't think

572
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Speaker 2: enough for your time, appreciate all the great work that

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Speaker 2: you do, and we hope the chat soon down the road.

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Speaker 5: Shit you guys a toll, Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Again, shout out to Brad, one of the best in

577
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Speaker 2: the business. If you're not following him, I strongly encourage

578
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Speaker 2: you to go do that. Does great articles. Whether you're

579
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Speaker 2: a financial nerd, whether you're a draft nerd, or just

580
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Speaker 2: want to talk about football. Brad's a great follow does

581
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Speaker 2: some some great work in the Chicago area as well

582
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Speaker 2: for Bears fans whoever you know, if you know a

583
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Speaker 2: Bears fan, sending Brad's way, Tyler. Any final thoughts about

584
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Speaker 2: our discussion with Brad this morning before we jump into

585
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Speaker 2: our planned.

586
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Speaker 1: To show for the rest of the episode.

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Speaker 3: Mostly just I still feel like I need a bit

588
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Speaker 3: more time to figure out why the whole twenty eight

589
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Speaker 3: point eight million dollars next year happened and if that

590
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Speaker 3: was really in the best interest for them to do that.

591
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Speaker 3: But again, like we talked about, it was more about

592
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Speaker 3: the player exiting the team and being somewhere else than

593
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Speaker 3: necessarily being a cap thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's certainly part part of it. And

595
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Speaker 2: we saw some of this last year with the Jerry

596
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Speaker 2: Tillery conversation. Obviously, Jerry Tillery was not you know, on

597
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Speaker 2: a long term deal, he was on his rookie contract.

598
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Speaker 2: But we've talked a lot about like the hope for

599
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Speaker 2: the secondary is that now without all of this situation

600
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Speaker 2: kind of you know, hovering over them, that things can

601
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Speaker 2: kind of settle down. The roles are more defined, and

602
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Speaker 2: Michael Davis talked about that today at the Chargers practice,

603
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Speaker 2: you know, just being unsettled a little bit with where

604
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Speaker 2: he's at with the rotation, who's starting, who's playing here,

605
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Speaker 2: who's matching up there. Now things are all calmed down.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows what their role is, everybody knows what the

607
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Speaker 2: expectations are going forward. So hopefully this Chargers' cornerback room

608
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Speaker 2: can start playing like they did at the end of

609
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Speaker 2: last season, and the Chargers defense in general would really

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Speaker 2: benefit from that group, you know, starting to perform in expectations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really think that this is definitely not the

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Speaker 3: focus of the episode today, but I really am hopeful

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Speaker 3: that that situation being resolved and just having the buy

614
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Speaker 3: because it's like you're are three, go do what you

615
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Speaker 3: did last year is go be great, and I really

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Speaker 3: think that they will be I don't know how much better,

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Speaker 3: but I think they will be better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's just gonna be exciting to see,

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Speaker 2: you know, like they have some positive matchups coming up

621
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Speaker 2: from a like a cornerback receiver standpoint, and you know,

622
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Speaker 2: hopefully that this group can really start to round into

623
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Speaker 2: form in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Derworn James should be back.

625
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Speaker 2: This week against the Cowboys and Alohi Gillman should be

626
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Speaker 2: back this week too, So reinforcements coming for the Chargers

627
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Speaker 2: defense coming off of their best performance against the Raiders.

628
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Speaker 2: So hopefully the arrow is pointing up for this unit.

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Speaker 2: All right, the focus of our group. We don't get

630
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Speaker 2: to talk a whole lot about like coaching matchups on

631
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Speaker 2: our podcast feed. It's a lot about individual player matchups

632
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Speaker 2: and key statistics and things like that. But we couldn't

633
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Speaker 2: possibly not talk about Chargers and Cowboys and not talk

634
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Speaker 2: about Kellen Moore versus Mike McCarthy and how these two

635
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Speaker 2: kind of matchups as respective offensive minds and what we're

636
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Speaker 2: really seeing from these two units. Obviously, the Cowboys coming

637
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Speaker 2: off of a pretty embarrassing loss at the hands of

638
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Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers. So I do expect

639
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: them to be highly motivated to, you know, have a

640
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: positive response against the Chargers on Monday Night. But Tyler,

641
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: when you look at how like the dialogue happened about,

642
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 2: like the Cowboys are moving on from Kella Moore, he's

643
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Speaker 2: coming to the Chargers. What's kind of your evaluation of

644
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Speaker 2: where do we stand now after five weeks of the

645
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Speaker 2: NFL season regarding these two coaches and how they're kind

646
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Speaker 2: of working their offenses out.

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Speaker 3: Where we stand now is thank you. I really appreciate

648
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Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator. I would. I'm happy to have them,

649
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Speaker 3: I'll say that much. You know, I think that sometimes

650
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: you always hope for a grasses greener.

651
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Speaker 1: And I get it.

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Speaker 3: You know last year that the Cowboys maybe they hope

653
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: to be certainly not in the postseason, and so they

654
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: wanted to just do something else, find something different. You

655
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: go get Brandon Cooks, here comes the explosive offense or whatever.

656
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: You know, Kellen Moore. We heard from Cowboys fans all offseason. No,

657
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: it's just Joe Lombardi two point zero. Well, I think

658
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: looking through Dallas Cowboys and their stats so far, they

659
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: got the Joe Lombardi experience so far with Mike McCarthy

660
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: literally today from Mike McCarthy, a little quote from him,

661
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: This is a This team is about defense, make no

662
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: bones about it. You know, of course we want to

663
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: score as many points as everybody, but we played to

664
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: our defense. That's the strength of our team. And by

665
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: doing that, the time of possession, taking care of the football,

666
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: those are two things that I thought we're improvement from

667
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: past years, et cetera, et cetera. Basically this offense that

668
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: the head coach is suggesting that they're a defensive driven

669
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: team and they're basically just going to be not turning

670
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: the football over and sort of being conservative without coming

671
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: out and saying it. And that is certainly the case.

672
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look anywhere. I talked about it

673
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: when we're interviewing Brad. But Brandon Cooks was the guy

674
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: you brought in to have explosive plays, and they're not

675
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: getting him the football. They're targeting him, but they're not

676
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: getting into him. And if they are, he's not really

677
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: doing what he's really been known to. I mean, Brandon

678
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: Cooks is a player six seasons over one thousand yards.

679
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: Someone who's averaged, you know, almost fourteen yards per perception

680
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: his entire career. It's at eight now. Like it is

681
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: not what you would expect for some of the Brandon Cooks.

682
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 3: And for some context, if you look at Joe Lombardi

683
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: and like Jalen Geiden for example, even Jalen Guiden was

684
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: at fourteen and a half yards per reception. So that

685
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: is just not working right now. It is Dak Prescott's

686
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 3: lowest big time throw rate of his career. I believe

687
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: it is also his lowest turnover where they play rate,

688
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: which is good, of course, but it's a very conservative offense.

689
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: It is not one that wants to, as we've discussed

690
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: the offseason, run up the scoreboard and put up tons

691
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: of points. I mean he literally just said as much

692
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: that they're looking to maybe just compliment their defense, which

693
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: I sort of understand because the defense was towered as

694
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: being so great and they have a lot of great players.

695
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a very, very very conservative offense.

696
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: And we're even right down to fourth down play calling

697
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: or going forward to not going for it. I might

698
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: be off by this, but just a little bit. But

699
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley is I think first or second in the

700
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: league right now in terms of going for it when

701
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: he should. So he's first in the league. Mike McCarthy

702
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: second worst in the league in terms of you know,

703
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 3: going now. Is that a good decision or not necessarily?

704
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know the results of how

705
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: the Cowboys have done, but when the math says go

706
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: for it, Mike McCarthy has been more conservative, So Prescott

707
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: way more conservative. The offensive, We're all more conservative. They're

708
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: moving down the drive the field efficiently, but they're not

709
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 3: scoring in the red zone. I mean, they've dropped off dramatically.

710
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: Is where we can start talking about Kellen Moore. You know,

711
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: the one thing I wanted out of Kellen Moore for

712
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: this offense. The number one stat I wanted to see

713
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: with Kellen Moore coming over, you know, wasn't necessarily rushing

714
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: yards per attempt or number of deep passes or a dot.

715
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: It was red zone touchdown efficiency. I mean I really wanted,

716
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: like that was a stat I wanted that the Cowboys

717
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: had last year, and they were number one in the

718
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: league at like seventy one percent or whatever it was,

719
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: and the Chargers were eighteenth at fifty four and a

720
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: half percent. You know, Kellen. With Kellen Moore, the Chargers

721
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: are are thirteen percent better at all, almost sixty nine percent.

722
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: They are right behind the San Francisco forty nine ers.

723
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: Anytime you're around the San Francisco forty nine ers and

724
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs, you're doing something well. So the

725
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: Chargers being yeah, that's pretty good. So fifth in the

726
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: NFL is so great. Conversely, the Dallas Cowboys now have

727
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: dropped almost thirty five percent to twenty eight in the

728
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: league in red zone touchdown percentage. And look, that offense

729
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: is all there. I mean, you got the quarterback, you

730
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: added a receiver, I like your tight end in Ferguson.

731
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: Your offensive line hasn't been healthy all year, but it's

732
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: healthy now. I mean, and they've dropped thirty five percent.

733
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: The Chargers are at almost sixty nine percent, and the

734
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Cowboys have fallen to thirty six point eight four percent.

735
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: So they're really missing him, Kellen Moore. And it's not

736
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: that they're a bad offense. They're efficient, but they're not

737
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: explosive and they're not scoring in the red zone like

738
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: the Chargers have been. So I think right now, in

739
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: terms of what we looked at before the season to now,

740
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: I'd say Cowboys fans are probably wishing they had Kellen

741
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: Moore back. Granted, look, I know that Justin Herbert is

742
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: the quarterback, so that does change some things. But sure,

743
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: I think the Chargers got the better end of the

744
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: other so far.

745
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about Kellen Moore specifically and how much

746
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: we've loved what we've seen from like a game plan perspective,

747
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: from a usage standpoint. For the most part, there's definitely

748
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: some things that you can nitpick here. But you know,

749
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: Brad's point about it being not static versus static, I

750
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: think is a great one man, And that's something that

751
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: I noticed watching the Cowboys on tape this week. I

752
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: really genuinely felt like I was watching the twenty twenty

753
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: two Chargers offense on tape again. You know, Michael Gallup

754
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: and Brandon Cooks, you're on this side, you're on that side.

755
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna stay on that side, and ceedee, Lamb's in

756
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: the slot and for seventy five percent of his routes

757
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: and there's no motion, there's no creativity. It's a quick step,

758
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 2: drop balls out, try and get the guys in space.

759
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: But there's just no real motion, there's no real you know,

760
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: creativity about this offense right now, you know, and that

761
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: can work against some bad defenses, which was the case

762
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: for the most part outside of the Jets in the

763
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: first four games. But then when you play a team

764
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: like the forty nine Ers, who is very capable of

765
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: jumping routes, being physical, disrupting the timing, you end up

766
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 2: getting the performance that the Cowboys had on offense this

767
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: past week. And you know, you look at Dak's average

768
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: time to throw and for the most out, if you

769
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: take out the forty nine Ers game, it's like two

770
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: point three seconds, which is like insanely high. Like Tua

771
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: against the Chargers was like two point four and two

772
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: point three seconds. That's like literally like I take the snap,

773
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: I take my drop balls out like there's no reading,

774
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: there's no processing, there's no motion, there's nothing. Ball is

775
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: out in a hurry. And that's a lot of what

776
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: the Chargers were trying to do last year. Granted some

777
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: of that is due to injury, as we've talked about

778
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: on our show, but there's just no there's no twenty

779
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: twenty three offense in the Cowboys right now. It's all

780
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: this like West host basic concepts and you know, we'll

781
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: talk about this, you know throughout the Reek, right. But

782
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: for the Chargers, the game plan is pretty simple for me,

783
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: like you have to be physical, you have to press,

784
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: you have to disrupt timing, and that's how you get

785
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: the Cowboys out of their rhythm, because that's what the

786
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: Cowboys want. They want rhythm and just get five six

787
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: yards every single play, stay ahead of the chains and

788
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: not be in these long, long down distance things. But

789
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: it was really funny, man, like watching I watched three

790
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: Cowboys games last night, and I really felt like I

791
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: was just watching the Joe Loombardi offense all over again.

792
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: And not that I didn't expect there to be some

793
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: of that, but Mike McCarthy had some time away from

794
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: the league. He was the head coach without being the

795
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: play caller. I was expecting some changes from what you know.

796
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: The offense was at the town of his Green Bay,

797
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: and you hear all the complaints from Aaron Rodgers at

798
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: that time. There's no motion, there's no there's no creativity.

799
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: And now it's the same kind of stuff again with

800
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott.

801
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: So it's an.

802
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: Really interesting dynamic here because Kellen Moore is taking advantage

803
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: of his guys. There's different plans every single week. There's

804
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: creative touches for Darius Davis. There's none of that going

805
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: on in Dallas right now from what I can see

806
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: on tape after watching three games last night.

807
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mike McCarthy is a long time coding this

808
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: league and it has been with the Cowboys for several years now.

809
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: Kellen Moore just got here and he's dialing up different

810
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: things like whether it works or not. There are certainly

811
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: a place we can go ad it didn't work or

812
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: that really worked great, But whatever it is, it's different.

813
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: Every week has been different, or it adds on to

814
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: something that they did. The previous week we saw with

815
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: that Darius Davis fourth down play, you know, that was

816
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 3: something different against the Titans. The next week they tried

817
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: something different. It didn't work against the Vikings, but it

818
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: was different, like there is something being added. There's layers

819
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: to this. And I'm glad you said it because I

820
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: felt the same way watching them as in particular against

821
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers. Watching the whole game, Yeah, it

822
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: really felt like Jordan Bardy's offense and not that you know,

823
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: air yards is everything, right I think right below or

824
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: right above the Cowboys and intended air yards is the Chiefs.

825
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to tell the Chiefs that they

826
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: have a bad offense, but it's just not what I

827
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: thought they were going to go for this year, especially

828
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: after getting Brandon Cooks. I'm very surprised. And even with

829
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: Brandon cook you talk about that time to throw, you know,

830
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: there was that kind of that one like snap hike

831
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: and then just like chuck it really quickly out of

832
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: the end zone to Cooks. But it's really feels like

833
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: watching them try to get it to Cooks, it's either

834
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: a slant which works, or they try to get it

835
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: to them down the field pretty quickly and there's not

836
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: even really a route development, and I feel like it's

837
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: very much just so you're faster, go like catch go

838
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: throw it. And it's not working. And it clearly not

839
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: working because his target to catch percentage throughout his career

840
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: is twenty percent higher than it is right now in Dallas,

841
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: like they are trying to maybe get him the football,

842
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: but it's twenty percent lower right now, like it is,

843
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: it is not working with Brandon Cooks. And again on

844
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: pace for you know, two hundred and forty eight year yards.

845
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: I think he I could be wrong. I think he

846
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: had eight thousand, six hundred something yards going into this

847
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: season and he still has eight thousand, six hundred something

848
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: yards right now. Because he only has seventy three yards

849
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: in five games. It's not at all what they were

850
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: hoping for, I'm sure, and I don't think what anybody

851
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: was expecting keeping Cowboys fans in terms of the usage.

852
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some very concerning comments you brought up

853
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: to Mike McCarthy one. But you know, this summer we

854
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: heard from Corey Lindsley and Rashaun Slater talk about just

855
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: like the lack of identity from the Charges offense last

856
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: year and like how important was going to be for

857
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore to come into this season and establish a

858
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: real identity on the ground and through the air with

859
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: justin like there needs to be like a clear like

860
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: calling card and Ceedee Lamb was asked about this yesterday

861
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: and he was like, I don't know, and he like

862
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: paused for like a really long time like he would

863
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: like he looked at the reporter and like trying to think,

864
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: like how honest he wanted to be and he was like,

865
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, and the reporter asked him, like, how

866
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: do you fix that? He's like, I don't know. And

867
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: then Jerry Jones on his radio show is asked about

868
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: like getting ceeddlamb the football more often, and Jerry's like, no,

869
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: we want to spread the ball around. It's like, well,

870
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: please continue to do that. So it's just like I'm like,

871
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: it's like Chargers twenty twenty two all over again, when

872
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm hearing the talk about the Cowboys, watching the Cowboys,

873
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: and you know, all that being said, Brandon State Ofy's

874
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: defense should be very well prepared to go up against

875
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: this Cowboys offense because they practice against it for two years,

876
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: and you know, like it's it's jokes, right, but it's

877
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: true like this, this defense should be very well prepared

878
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: for what they're going up against, and we talked about

879
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: some of the reinforcements that they get back. This should

880
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: be a positive spot for the Chargers defense and hopefully

881
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: be able to continue that kind of momentum going forward.

882
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think this is going to be a

883
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: big you know, truly gets ten pressures in klueback gets

884
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: six sacks, sort of racket just seems like the Cowboys

885
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: are operating kind of like the Dolphins word where we're

886
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: just getting out really quick. But I do think this

887
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: is a great, great knock on wood, a great rebound

888
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: game for the Chargers secondary because one, there's a lot

889
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: of recognition of what's in front of them, which has

890
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: kind of been difficult for them over the last few weeks.

891
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: And two because like they're now gelling as a unit.

892
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 3: This just this just feels like the Michael Davis gets

893
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: his interception game. This feels like a Santai Samuel Junior

894
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: having you know, let's have another three interception sort of game. Again,

895
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 3: it's very conservative, so Dak isn't turning the ball over,

896
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: but if you're just if that's kind of all you're doing,

897
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: eventually someone like a Sandei Samuel Junior is going to

898
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: key in on that and get the interception, and I

899
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: honestly think he would this week.

900
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: You know, we heard Nick Naeman after the Minnesota game

902
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: say that they saw like this one concept and they

903
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: were waiting for it and ready for it, and eventually

904
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: they get The Vikings got to it and Nick Neman

905
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: made a great play on the football and then obviously

906
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: kenth Mury came down with the interception, Like that's the

907
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: kind of vibes that the Chargers defense should have this week.

908
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: You know, we're seeing these kind of key concepts over

909
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: and over again, and these are the kind of things

910
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: that we're looking for. This is the static formation that

911
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: they're running this out of, and they should be able

912
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: to be aggressive, be physical, go make these plays and

913
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: disrupt the timing. And there's a real opportunity for the

914
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: Chargers defense to you know, establish themselves and you know,

915
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: build that momentum going forward. Like you said, the Chargers

916
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: pass rush I think is going to be in for

917
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a struggle this week. The

918
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: Cowboys offensive line is fantastic and with the quick trigger

919
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: from Dak, it's gonna be a bit of a struggle

920
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: to get home. I'm definitely not expecting six sacks from

921
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: klue back again, but you've got to find a way

922
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: to disrupt the timing of the routes, disrupt the you know,

923
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: rhythm of Dak, and if you do, then you can

924
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: get home. And that's obviously what the forty nine Ers

925
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: did obviously, you know against uh against the Cowboys on

926
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: Sunday night, That's what allowed Fred Warner, Nick Bosa, all

927
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: these guys to get home. Is their secondary was just disruptive,

928
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: like at a really high level. And obviously the Niners defense,

929
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: not the Chargers defense and everything like that, right, But

930
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: the concept the path to victory for the Chargers defense

931
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: is pretty simple this week. Disrupt timing, get Dak off

932
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: of his out of his rhythm, and you know, create

933
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: some havoc from a cover standpoint, and create some havoc

934
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: from a pastro standpoint, and the Chargers defense should be

935
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: in a good spot. I'm not expecting like a shutout.

936
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting like ten points, but I am I

937
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: do think that the charge defense can make some plays

938
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: and make life really difficult, you know, from a ceiling

939
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: standpoint for the Cowboys offense.

940
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 3: And that's really what I think it is too. It's

941
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: not that they're gonna shut them down, but it's from

942
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: that ceiling perspective, can you just limit them and they're

943
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: gonna limit themselves? It sounds like too. So I don't

944
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: think these are two very different philosophies. But I do

945
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: think we're headed towards closer to that Dolphins game from

946
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: last year, not just because of design, but because they

947
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: have the same guys out there, although to have to

948
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: ruin James this time, and because you know what do

949
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: the Dolphins do this year, Well, they use a lot

950
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: of motion to get guys open, and to get Tyreek

951
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: Kill open against his Chargers defense, they learned this Cowboys

952
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: defense or this offense excuse me, is not adjusting, and

953
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: so I think if they continue to just be like

954
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: that and be static and have no identity, yeah, then

955
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: I think that the Charges defense is in for a

956
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: much improved day against very good pass catchers.

957
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully it's it's just one of those like confidence

958
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: building games for the defense and the team as a whole. Right,

959
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: But kind of getting back to the Kellen Moore side

960
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: of things here, you know, it's gonna be very interesting

961
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: to see how he attacks this because I think the

962
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Cowboys defensive line for me, is probably the best in

963
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: the league from a pass rushing standpoint, but the linebackers

964
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: are injured and can be had when they were healthy.

965
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: Deron Bland potentially not out there for this team. Obviously

966
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: Trevon Diggs is not out there, so again there's an

967
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: opportunity for the Chargers to create some explosive plays here,

968
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: you know, move the ball with Austin Eckler. What do

969
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: you make of specifically how Kellen Moore can you know,

970
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: take his philosophy and match up with Dan Quinn in

971
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 2: this pass rush for this week, Tyler.

972
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, lead into the play action game and leading to

973
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: the downhill run game. I think these linebackers, if Yton

974
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: vander Rush is out and it seems like he's going

975
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: to be out for a number of weeks, and if

976
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons is not playing edge anymore, and then moving

977
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: him to the linebacker, We'll see how that goes. Yeah,

978
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: I think the play action game drawing those linebackers in

979
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: and running down hill I think could help. I'm very

980
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: curious how they go about blocking Michael Parsons in general,

981
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: not just necessarily on the outside as an edge rusher,

982
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: but they have him do like what we've seen with

983
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: Tuley where they line up over the guard or attacking

984
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: between the center and the guard or whatever, and that

985
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: has definitely worked. I turned on the Giant's game. What

986
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: did I see? Like the fourth play of the game,

987
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: he lines up there, gets a sack. Watch the forty

988
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: nine Ers game, gets a tackle for loss, gets a

989
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: pressure or whatever it was. So how do they do that?

990
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: And I was listening to Brandon Thorne's breakdown of the

991
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers versus the Cowboys game, and it was

992
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: a big Spencer Burford game. Like the Spencer Berford their

993
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers right guard. He did have a

994
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: really really big game, and he did because of stuff

995
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: like that. I'm very curious now what the what the

996
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: Cowboys will do without Layton vander Rush too, because they

997
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: don't blitz a ton. But if they did blitz, it

998
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: was Layton vander Rush. I think he had thirty one

999
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: pass rushes over the last five games, and everyone else combined,

1000
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: I think was like nineteen. So do you have another

1001
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: guy that can do that after already losing another guy

1002
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: at linebacker, and do you trust your secondary to hold

1003
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: up in those instances? I don't know. So I think

1004
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: play action would be great having those linebackers, the newer guys,

1005
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: the guys that are out there, you know, biting a bit.

1006
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: I think that'd be great for the team. Hopefully they

1007
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: can run it. Well. There was a graph, you know, Herbert,

1008
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: what's the EPA versus play action versus non play action?

1009
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: Good news is He's great at both, so it didn't

1010
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: really matter if it was non play action or play action,

1011
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: so you're good with either. But I'd love to see

1012
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: the charge of lead into that this week.

1013
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, from a like specific scheme standpoint, like I don't

1014
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: know how much stock I really put into like the

1015
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: Cardinals being the Cowboys, but like you know, as like

1016
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: a you know, over arching theme or anything like that.

1017
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: But the charge the Cardinals, excuse me. Their offensive game

1018
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: plan was really really smart against the Cowboys, and the

1019
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: key thing that they did was was invite the Cowboys

1020
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: rush to get upfield and then with misdirection runs, RPOs,

1021
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: things like that zone read, they were able to take

1022
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: advantage of the Cowboys aggression. So there's this pin and

1023
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: pole concept, which is like my favorite run concept because

1024
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: it invites people upfield. You get the guards you know,

1025
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: and the tackles you know, rolling out in space. Everything's

1026
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: kind of walled off and if you if you execute

1027
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: it properly, you give your running back like three different

1028
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: cutback angles because it just gives it opens up so

1029
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: much space there. And they did this awesome thing where

1030
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: they ran pin and pole scored in the red zone.

1031
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: They ran pin and poll and got James Connor for

1032
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 2: like a twenty five yard run, and then they were

1033
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: doing pin and pole run pass option concepts out of it.

1034
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: It was incredible to watch Petzy Drew pets and in

1035
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: Arizona is doing some incredible stuff down there. And from

1036
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: a schematic standpoint, all of that is already built into

1037
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: what the charters have done. You know, they've ran pin

1038
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: and poll a bunch of times throughout the season, and

1039
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: it's been something that they've gone to in key moments

1040
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: against the Dolphins, against the Titans, not as much against

1041
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: the Vikings because it wasn't really there, but against the

1042
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: Raiders they ran it a couple of times. So there's

1043
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: a real opportunity for Kellen Moore to invite the aggression

1044
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: and then you know, expose him over the top or

1045
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: expose him out on the edge. And I think that's

1046
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: something that Kellen Moore has been kind of building up here,

1047
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: is are these concepts that can take advantage of these

1048
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: aggressive defenses. And then the Cowboys are one of the

1049
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: most aggressive defensive lines in the league because they're always

1050
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: trying to hunt the quarterback.

1051
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: That's what they do best.

1052
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: And so you've got to say Hey, we're gonna we're

1053
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: gonna invite you up and then we're gonna gas you

1054
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: behind you.

1055
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, please blitz Herbert whatever you gotta do or be aggressive.

1056
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 3: It seems like not only do the does Kellen Moore

1057
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: have some of the answers for those moments, but of

1058
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 3: course Justin Herbert does as well. I really really hope

1059
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler is out there and very healthy and ready

1060
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 3: to go. I am concerned if he's not out there

1061
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: a ton in terms of pass protection. I believe Isaiah

1062
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: Spiller and joshuac Kelly have allowed thirteen pressures through three games,

1063
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 3: and well, scuse me, three games without Austin Eckler, and

1064
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: I think Eckler has allowed twenty pressures his entire career.

1065
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: So it's been very very different missing one like Austin Eckler.

1066
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: So I hope he's out there to be able to

1067
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: make up for this very aggressive defense of the Cowboys.

1068
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like he is expecting to play. I

1069
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: think he said a ninety nine percent chance, and he

1070
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: even went as far to tell ESPN Chris Rim that

1071
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: if there was a game last week that he would

1072
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: have he felt comfortable enough to play last week, but

1073
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: Chargers obviously on by so good things there. But I'm excited, man,

1074
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: from a coaching from a coaching matchup. You know, Kellen

1075
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 2: Moore against the Cowboys, I think was probably my favorite

1076
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: like coaching matchup of the season. And you know, he

1077
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: have this one circle and you have Michael Parsons versus

1078
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: Rashaan Slader circle, Like, this is a fun, fun matchup.

1079
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that it's a primetime game on Monday

1080
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Night Football, and I can't wait to see how it

1081
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: pans out. Obviously hoping for the charters to win, but

1082
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: just from like a coaching standpoint, I think this is

1083
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: gonna be a really great game to dive into and

1084
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad we were able to do some of that today.

1085
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about the matchups we're most looking forward

1086
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: to heading into the season. This is the one that

1087
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: I was looking forward to because this is the heavyweight match.

1088
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: I wish Corey Lindsley were healthy so it could just

1089
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: be best on best. But this offensive line, that defensive line,

1090
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 3: that's a heck of a matchup. You know, Rashaun Slater,

1091
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons. I forget what list it was, but they had,

1092
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, who was the best player from that class.

1093
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 3: I think Parsons was one, and I feel like that's

1094
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: rightfully so at least that makes sense to me. But

1095
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: Slater was left off that list entirely.

1096
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Yep.

1097
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: And I think that this is a game where I mean,

1098
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: Trent Williams, Trent Williams is Trent Williams and he'll be

1099
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: Trent Williams until he's not. But Rashawn Slater is that

1100
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: next guy in line, and I can't wait to see

1101
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: how those two go at it. Unless Michael Parsons is

1102
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: playing off ball linebacker, in which case never mind. But

1103
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see that matchup. That is an

1104
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: awesome matchup. This whole game has so many storelines and matchups.

1105
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it.

1106
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a ton of fun Charters home

1107
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: game hopefully you know there's a good turnout as well.

1108
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not looking forward to all the Cowboys

1109
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: fan narratives and things like that, but on paperman on

1110
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: the field, this game is gonna be electric. I cannot

1111
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: wait to watch it. Appreciate Brad Spielberger for joining us

1112
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: today again.

1113
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Speaker 1: Follow him.

1114
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: He's one of the best in the business. Appreciate Tyler

1115
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Speaker 2: for joining me. As always, a special shout out to

1116
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: Greg Kim for producing That's gonna do it for us today. Guys,

1117
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: we genuinely appreciate all the support and we'll see you

1118
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Speaker 2: next time.

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Speaker 1: As always, Bolt up.