1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: My guest today is actor, filmmaker and podcast host Rob Low. 2 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: You may know him from The West Wing and Saint 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: Elmo's Fire by the Way iconic show and movie, but 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: today Rob is the star of Fox's nine one one 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Lone Star and host of Literally with Rob Low. This 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: is just me with Rob Low. Let's get into it. Hi, 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: So I talk to you. A lot of people commented 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: on me doing your show, like, isn't it funny the 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: types of people that come out of the woodwork when 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: you do different things and then you realize why you 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: do different things. 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so. I'm so interested to know you did 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: my podcast Literally and you were great. I had a 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: great talk with you. What was the reaction on your end? 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: The reaction was great. But like I said, from different 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: people that I don't you know, you're always marketing to 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: the same audience because they're your audience. And so that's why, 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: that's why the model of podcasts and doing different types 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: of things and having different people on yours does really 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: work because different like random like David Lasher who was 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: Vinnie from Blossom, was like I listened to you on 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Rob Blows. I'm like what, Like it was just so 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: weird all of it. I was like, oh, and he's like, 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: I loved what you said. It was so inspirational, and 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: he I know him, and he's like, I didn't even 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: know your story, so you know, it hit differently, which 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: is which is nice, which says a lot about about 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: you and the combination of us who are in a 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: similar generation but speaking to some similar people. And then 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know different people. But I enjoyed it. 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I felt like I know you now. And and I 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: was in Santa Barbara recently and I felt like, I, yeah, 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: I know Roblo. I'm in Barbara, I have friends here. 34 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: Well it's well, that's I love hearing that, and I 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: It's It's true, isn't it? 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: Like it is always interesting. 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: To me when we are out giving interviews or selling. 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: A product or movie or TV or whatever. 39 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: Who is watching or listening to what? It's endlessly fascinating 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: to me. 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I really do think that if I'm 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: not a person who likes unsolicited advice or visits, but 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: if I were that person, and I feel like if 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I knocked on your door, you'd be like, hey, come 45 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: on in. I feel like we're friends now. 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: So I'm already feeling bad that you didn't say, Hey, 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm in Santa Barbara, let's get coffee. 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I think I message on Instagram, but I don't know 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: if you got it. 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: I forget if, like you know my Instagram. 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: I it's like I'm not as good as following the 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: comments maybe as I should be. 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't believe me. I mean I went 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: with my daughter. We stayed at Calamy Goes Ranch and 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Malibu and then drove for the day. 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: What's it like to stay there? 57 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: So Mark Gervitz is a power comedy manager who lives 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: in Malibi, like deep Malibu. There's Malibu and then there's 59 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: like deeper Malibu. And I was going to an event 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: at his house to see Adam Sandler and a bunch 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: of people, and I wanted to have a staycation versus 62 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: stay in La where you're going to transact and you're 63 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: going to be in the business of show and I 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: didn't want. I wanted to be on a vacation and 65 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: feel like I could go to the beach. And Malibu 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: is different. So we stayed at this place, Kalamigos Ranch, 67 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: which is like very ranchy and very malibuish and very 68 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: cowboy budhish and rustic and different than most of La 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: And everybody that I've told that I stayed there was like, oh, yeah, no, 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: I've never stayed there or I've never been there, and 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean It's it was shocking. Yeah, 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: So I loved. 73 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: It when I was a kid, when I was in 74 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: junior high that everybody went to summer camp at Kalamigos Ranch. Yeah. 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: Oh, it's been different things. 76 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: It's been a proper ranch and that it's been defunct 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: and then it's been revitalized. 78 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: But it's I've never stayed there. 79 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: So then we went to your town, and I love 80 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: You're in Santa I love that town of Santa Barbara. 81 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: I've been to Monacito and we did that, but like 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: that street in Santa Barbara with all those pianos on, 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: it was amazing. 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: I know, right, they've shut since COVID, they shut down 85 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: State Street and it's now like a you know, a plaza, 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: walking plaza. It's Those are two of my favorite places 87 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: in Alibu, and Montecito and Santa Barbara three of my favorite, 88 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: I should say. 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: Likewise, Okay, so I've done a little bit of reading 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: about you and I had always peripherally gotten a sense 91 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: of you, like I knew you married a makeup artist 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: or your makeup artist, and I was sadly jealous at 93 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: the time, and I was just thinking like, why her 94 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: not me? And I didn't even know you, So that 95 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: was this good reason why we didn't know each other. 96 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: So you got We talked on your podcasts about this 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. But you you started in you were 98 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: in Ohio and and then you went to la or 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: you started in Virginia. 100 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. 101 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: I was born in Charlottesville, where my dad was had 102 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: just graduated from law school, and then they, my mother 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: and my dad moved to Dayton and that's where I 104 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: had my childhood. My proper you know, from six months 105 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: old to twelve was in Dayton. So I got a 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: real Midwestern childhood. And then my mom and dad divorced 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: and we ended up in directly from Dayton to Point 108 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: Doom in Malibu, which was like going to Mars. 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a Fred Hayman from Georgio, Beverly Hills. I 110 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: planned and organized his wedding and so that was my 111 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: first experience at Point Doom. 112 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 113 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: Point Doom is there's Malibu and then there's Point Doom. 114 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: It's a whole different vibe very and my great obsession 115 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: is I want to do a movie or miniseries or 116 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: book about what life was like in Malibu but on 117 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: Point Doom, in particular in the mid to late seventies, 118 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: because it was. 119 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Not wait so hold on, I was staying when you 120 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: went down to the left was Paradise Cove And then 121 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: to the Point Doom is not in Malibu. It's like 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: its own thing. 123 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: No, it's a part of Malibu, but it's it's it's 124 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: because it's a point Okay, it's it's its own neighborhood. 125 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: It's it's you know, it's not on the pch like 126 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: everything else is. And uh, it's it's just a weird 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the Indian Shoemash mojo there, 128 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: but it's both really exciting and interesting and really dark 129 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: and weird all at the same time. 130 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Is are there are there reservations there? No? 131 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: But it's okay, But it's all real shoemash you know, 132 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: the original you know, people of the area. 133 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: It's it's very viby in that way. Lots of arrowheads 134 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: and history. 135 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: What high school did you go to There. 136 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: Was no high school in Malibu then there is now, 137 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: and we had to take the bus twenty two miles 138 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: to Santa Monica to go to high school. 139 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: So you went to Santa Monica High School. Wow, okay, 140 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: so you really But I mean, starting at twelve, you 141 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: kind of really are a California boy and you really 142 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: never left that sphere, Like you're not that far from 143 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: there now. I mean, you're in that vibe too. There's 144 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: a Malibu vibe, and I feel like Santa Barbara is 145 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: like a Malibu adjacent vibe, having spent that weekend wanting 146 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: to go that way versus go the other way into La. 147 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 148 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: And again when Malibu when I moved there, it was 149 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: not a show business enclave it is now. There was 150 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: a time, you know, I would say in the early 151 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: eighties when the studio executives and the agents. 152 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: All moved out there. 153 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: But when I grew up there, it's what Santa Barbara 154 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: and Montecito were when I moved up here, which is 155 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: super rural. People ride their horses down the street. Wow, 156 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: not a company town. You get all walks of life 157 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: when you like, you know, if I'm coaching Little League 158 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: I'm you know, there's the dad's work in every line 159 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: of work you could imagine, and they're not all in 160 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: show business. So it's it's just I'm attracted to a 161 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: little bit of more diversity of thought and of experience. 162 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: And moving your kids to Santa Barbara when they were 163 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: at an age where things are more influential. That was 164 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: obviously intentional. Is that because of your Midwestern roots, like 165 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: you just wanted to feel some version of that. 166 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted. I wanted them to be able to 167 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: be outside a lot. 168 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: I wanted I wanted, you know, up here we could 169 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: we could go to the beach, maybe take a hike, 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: go to the zoo, and go to a movie. We 171 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: could do that all in one day up here and 172 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: in la As, you know, that's you could do one 173 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: of them right in a day. And if you're in 174 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: Malibu you can really. 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: Only do one of them. 176 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: And where's your wife from. 177 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: She's a born and bred valley girl. 178 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: She's a valley girl, Okay. 179 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: And Vally, they're very she is a valley girl, you know, Hollywood. 180 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: She grew up in both areas. 181 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: So you dragged her. 182 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: I dragged her, Oh, I dragged her. 183 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: She dragged her. 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was not having it. 185 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: I had a real vision though, of I mean, every 186 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: once in a while I have a I have a 187 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: vision of what I want to do, not all the time, 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: but every once in a while, and I really was like, 189 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: this is really right for us, and I mean it's 190 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: one of the smartest things that we ever did as 191 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: a family, was was was move up here both I 192 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: mean in terms of our lifestyle, what it did for 193 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: our relationships, for our marriage, for our kids, and financially, 194 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: As it turns out, more than anything, I've done better 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: in real estate in Montecito than I've done in my 196 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: entertainment career. 197 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: That's what I was. The next question I was gonna 198 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: ask is did you invest in? You invest early? 199 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: Yep? 200 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: I did years ago yep, and Monacito became only just 201 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: continued to become more attractive. 202 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: And then between. 203 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: People being able to work from home, the rise of Zoom, 204 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: the experience of COVID and a big hotel opening up 205 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: the Miramar that brought people from all over the world 206 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: to see it, and Megan and Harry moving in, all 207 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: of those things turned Monacito into another version of the Hamptons, 208 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: which it never was. 209 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: You said last time, and I spoke to you that 210 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't think you consider yourself a very 211 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: good business person? 212 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 4: Or do you? 213 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: Or do you? 214 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: It depends. I definitely consider myself a business person, for sure. 215 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: You do, so, okay, yeah, for sure, Like you are 216 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: thinking business first, You're marketing your business, You're you have 217 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: a chessboard that you're working in your mind. 218 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't supersede my creative but I like 219 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: to think that I can get them both to exist 220 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: equally within me and neither one is a detriment to 221 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: the other. 222 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: And who So when you started making money acting, you 223 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: started investing or that was just you buying your personal property, 224 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Like what was your business trajectory it was? 225 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: It was really just buying the personal property, really and 226 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: then you know, selling it and you know, doing well 227 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: and moving up the ladder, and then selling that and 228 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: doing well and then starting to invest in other areas 229 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: of real estate, which is really and I got to 230 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: give my wife credit. 231 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: She has really been the impetus. 232 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: Behind that, behind the investing in other real estate. 233 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: In real estate period. She's got an. 234 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing sniffer for. 235 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: Real estate, the vision of what something could be yes insane. 236 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just insane. 237 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: I love that and I've done that personally a lot, 238 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: and it was almost unintentional. But during the pandemic, I 239 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: flipped three places and I never I was thinking about 240 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: you talking about your personal real estate for people who 241 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: are thinking about business in different ways. For me, anytime 242 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: I go to look at something, I always think about, 243 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: even if it's for an investment, if I would live there, 244 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: Because if the shit hits the fan and you have 245 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: five different pieces on the board, you could sell four 246 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: and you'd be willing to live in any of them, 247 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: like they all work for you. I like that freedom 248 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: of thought where I like that, but if I end 249 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: up not liking it, like a place on the water, 250 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know what it's like to live on 251 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: the water, but I fantasize about it. I just bought 252 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: a place, but I know I could move it or 253 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: rent it. I like to be nimble and the pieces 254 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: like that. 255 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and for us, the straight investment real estate is 256 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: new ish. 257 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: And you know we we we weren't flippers, and I 258 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: don't we're not. 259 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: Our homes are our homes and we live in them. 260 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: And but we've just had those those things where people 261 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: have said, you know, we'd like to buy it, and 262 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: you name the price, and I go, you know what 263 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna At the end of the day, I'm still 264 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 2: an actor for hire. I sort of a fiduciary responsibility 265 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: to my family to to say yes to this. But 266 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: it's not like I'm I ever build any home to. 267 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: Flip it, right, I understand, but your but your wife 268 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: is probably thinking of things being somewhat not neutral. But 269 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: I think people think about that in design too. You know, 270 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: you're not putting like crocodile walls because you never know 271 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: what could happen if someone knocks on the door. 272 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Willison, for sure. 273 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: And I think it's one of the reasons we have 274 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: been able to do what we do is when we 275 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: we just found a big, an amazing piece of property. 276 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: It's a legacy property, been around since eighteen seventy seven. 277 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: And when you have something like that, you have to 278 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: build something on it that's equal to the property. 279 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: And if you don't, then you're actually taking money off 280 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: the table. So it's a weird thing. 281 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: You're going to spend more, but you're actually making more 282 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: than if you you know, you know what I mean 283 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: it's like, yes, you got if you've. 284 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: Got to, you got to. 285 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: If you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it. 286 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you gotta do it right. 287 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I live on a house it's seventeen forty three 288 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: on a property with an apple orchard, and like I 289 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: don't mess around with the original wood in the house 290 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: or like I just I you have to honor it. 291 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: This is what you're saying. You're honoring. You're not gonna 292 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: like spec house it up on eighteen hundred's property. So 293 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: you've done well, You've made money and in show business 294 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: and in real estate. How do you I know you're 295 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: you have and that you wanted to move them there 296 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: for them to have this sort of balance and be grounded. 297 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: How do you raise rich kids? Because I've talked to 298 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: more Cuban about this, I've talked to myself about this 299 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: and has it worked and your kids, you know, well 300 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: adjusted work for themselves? Like did you do this? Did 301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: you nail it? 302 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: Well? 303 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: First of all, you know it's all relative. Even what 304 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: is rich, right is relative? You know, Mark Cuban's got 305 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: more money than you. 306 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: I do. 307 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: No, But but even the gay he still doesn't want 308 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: really really really asshole spoiled kids. So he's harder for 309 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: him because he's flying on a private plane. We're flying 310 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: first class. So like at your level, I guess you know, And. 311 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think my kids, if you 312 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: ask them, they legitimately would not consider themselves. 313 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: Rich. 314 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: Legit, that's not in the ethos, Like they know they 315 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: have this trust fund or they know that when I 316 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: know people like this, I've worked with people like who 317 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: know that when their dad or mom kicks the bucket 318 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: or when grandpa kicks the bucket, they're coming into you know, 319 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: a lot of money. They and they you know, it's 320 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: always out there in their lives. Obviously, that's not my family. 321 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: I think that they grew up thinking and having certainly 322 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: the experience of being not any different than a lot 323 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: of the other kids. Other than you know, maybe the 324 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: vacations were nicer, and you know, like you said, maybe 325 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: we flew more often. But I tried to give them 326 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: a really normal sixtent I could upbringing. I think the 327 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: thing that makes it really different is the fame part 328 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: of it. 329 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay, right right. 330 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: Because you know, you can be worth four billion dollars 331 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: and you can walk into a restaurant and nobody knows 332 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: who you are, and you can be worth, you know, 333 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars and walk into a restaurant and 334 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: it stops dead in its tracks. So it's a funny. 335 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: It's a funny thing. So I really think there's the 336 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: how do you deal with with money? And then there's 337 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: how do you deal with being in a family that 338 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: is in the public eye? 339 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: And are you just are you insular you're not out 340 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: that much? Or you live in a place where no 341 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: one cares? And you know, what's it like when you're 342 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: with them in La Do they care? Do they What 343 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: is that like in your house? Fame? And is your 344 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: wife annoyed by it? 345 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the one of the reasons I 346 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: consciously moved out of LA was I didn't want my 347 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: kids growing up, you know, around paparazzi and and and 348 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: and where the currency of the realm is your fame, 349 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: and that just is what it is in La There's 350 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: no way to skin that cat. 351 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 3: When I grew up in. 352 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: Malibu, there were there were horses at the hitching posts 353 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: at the market. They're gone and they're replaced with paparazzi, 354 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: staking people out, which wasn't there. So I tried I 355 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: recreated it, and so they just didn't. They'd come home 356 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: and go Dad. They'd visit a friend in Melibou. 357 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: Dad. They had a screening room. We watched a movie 358 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 4: there and Jim Carrey came over and they're talking like 359 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: they're from you know, Ohio, right, you know, and and that, 360 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, that's good. They should be. 361 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: They should you have stars in their eyes like that 362 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: and feel that way. And you know, my other my son, 363 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: who is the actor, didn't start out that way. He 364 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: started out as a a stem cell scientist and went 365 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: to Stanford and then came out and decided he wanted 366 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: to be an actor and a writer. 367 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: And of course I was that was not a happy 368 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: day for me. I was like, I had a molecular 369 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: biologist an actor. 370 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: My daughter kind of acts like when she went from 371 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: this public school to this private school, she acted like 372 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: she was sort of on scholarship. She was like, oh 373 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: my god, mom, they give free art supplies and she 374 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 1: was so excited. And I think that's because, you know, 375 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: just because I buy things that I want or I 376 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: worked hard to get all this, it doesn't mean it's 377 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: a free for all, and I have all these rules 378 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: that you know, if you really want something, you have 379 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 1: to give something up or you have to work for it. 380 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: And it is a discipline, like I do really work 381 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: really hard, and I do have to pull on the 382 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: reins a lot, and I like that. I think it's 383 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: like it feels like a project, Like your kids are 384 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: the best possible project. It's you get such a ROI 385 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: on the time you invest in them and these kind 386 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: of principles, and you can be struggling financially and have 387 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: spoiled kids. 388 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: For sure, entitled spoiled. You know, it happens, It can 389 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 2: happen to it can happen to kids anywhere. 390 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, really it really absolutely. 391 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: Entitlement is I think the worst, the worst element of it. 392 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: But I also think that they take their cues from 393 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: their parents. And you know, I work my ass. 394 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: Off and and so yeah, so. 395 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 2: Does Cheryl Oh. I mean she, I mean she literally 396 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 2: this week flew to Washington for her jewelry business, came 397 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: home last night, flew to Arizona and came home and 398 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 2: she's out there on the floor selling Neiman Marcus, doing 399 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: her thing. 400 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: It's like she's have to do that no, but yeah, 401 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: and have you ever like, was there? It's my turn 402 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: in your relationship because it's been very much about you 403 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: and your career. Was there. It's my turn after her, 404 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, helping you raise the kids and all that. 405 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: Or it's just always been an ebb and flow. 406 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: It's always been that way. I mean, one of the 407 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: reasons I married her was she had this and remains. 408 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: She has the strongest work ethic of anybody I've ever known. 409 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: And that's saying something because mine is strong. And so 410 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: whether it's raising the raising the kids, or starting a 411 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: makeup line, or or building the homes that we have, 412 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: or the or then she had, she also has from 413 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: time to time built for other people. 414 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 3: She always has always worked, she will always work. 415 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: Interesting and so your work ethic comes from your upbringing 416 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: and your family, right. 417 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, But part of it I think is listen, I 418 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: think part of its genetic because my mom was sort 419 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: of very artsy and not really a worker. My dad 420 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: is eighty four and still goes into the office, uh 421 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 2: you know, uh practices law. My grandpa, who is very 422 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: close to my mom's side, just a eighth grade education, 423 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, it became the first millionaire in his city, 424 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: you know, so it's it's kind of I think it's 425 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 2: kind of in the DNA a little bit. 426 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: Maybe, So you were always working your ass off, like 427 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you're working as hard as you were when you were younger, 428 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Like you were always this way. 429 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 2: Paper routes, you know, bus boy. I mean, I did 430 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: get fired from every job that I had that wasn't 431 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: around show business because I'm not really cut out for 432 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: the real world, Bethany. 433 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: But but you're cut out for show business, and well, 434 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: I guess real estate, you're cut out for non traditional business. 435 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 3: Yes, I am. I designed first of all. I had 436 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: designed my entire life to try to not deal with math. 437 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: And you know, listen. 438 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: That I'm really good on the other side of my 439 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: brain and I've I've really learned a lot about I 440 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: can get by with numbers, obviously, because you have to 441 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: if you're going to be in any kind of a business. 442 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: But I avoid it. It's not my jam. 443 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 3: I don't like it. I appreciate people who do. 444 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: I'm very much a creative person with a you know 445 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: what It's like people say, do you sing? It's like 446 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm an actor who sings, which is very different than 447 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: being a singer. 448 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: Who acts or a singer. 449 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: M h. And it's that way that way with business. 450 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: I am a storyteller, entertainer, producer, director who also is 451 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: in business. 452 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: Right right right when you were partying, how could you 453 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: have that same work ethic or you were just partying 454 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: and then you would wake up and you would just 455 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: be hurting a little bit. You always had the same 456 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: work ethic, just exhausted a little stripped. 457 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: Exactly when I'm out of you know, dan seteria at 458 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: the Hampton's till you know, four o'clock in the morning 459 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: and I got to get up to shoot Masquerade, you 460 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: just you suck it up and. 461 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: Go, yeah, yeah, I gets that. 462 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: You know. Also it's a little bit of like you 463 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: emulate your idols, and you know, my idols today are 464 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: really really different than they were then. 465 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: But then you know, it. 466 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: Was like Jack Nicholson Man, he's out partying on he's 467 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: at the Roxy, you know, the shades on at two am, 468 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: and then he's on the set of the Witches of 469 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: east Wick, Man's Courtside of the Laker Games. It lives 470 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: up in Mohuland, and he's got seventeen girlfriends. Man. 471 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that was what I thought was cool. 472 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 473 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, in many ways, I don't. The younger generation. I 474 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: worry about them, but not in that way. I think 475 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: they're more evolved in wanting to feel good and drinking 476 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: macha and asai, and whether it all works or not, 477 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. But they're aware of like well being 478 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: in balance where we were not. But I'm the same 479 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: as you. It's a prose play, hurt model, tough. 480 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: Shit one to one Honda, same with my same with 481 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: my wife. Same and and you know little and John Ohen, 482 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: my my acting son. Uh, you know, he's he's very 483 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: open about it. He's also sober, and he was the same. 484 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: He was like pros play hurt right, work hard, play hard. 485 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, but now it doesn't have to be 486 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be so exhausting. It's okay to 487 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: feel good. So sobriety is a major, major role in. 488 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: Your career and in our family's life, for sure major. 489 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have anything without it, really what it is is, 490 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: I think it would have been just the law of 491 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: diminishing returns, and I would have been like the frog 492 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: that slowly gets boiled alive in. 493 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: The in the in the in the water. 494 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: As you incrementally you know, can't feel it, and just yeah, 495 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: that would have been me with my you know, personal 496 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: life and career. 497 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: Like death by a thousand paper cuts. It was just like, yeah, 498 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: well that's Was it really hard to quit everything or 499 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: was it? Like they're different, They're fifty shades of addiction. 500 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: I've taken classes on it. And some people our bingers. 501 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: Some people are just always in their life. They call 502 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: it a French type alcoholic, and some people really hit rock. 503 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: So what was your relationship to substances? 504 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: Mine was, I was kind of a periodic, they would say. 505 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: And so you're, you know, you're up at Charlie Sheen's 506 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: pool and you got your coronas and you're you're working out. 507 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: At the gym. 508 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: You's being tough, and then you have a couple of 509 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: coronas and then the next thing you know, you're you know, 510 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: you're you're you're looking for the blow or whatever, maybe 511 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: because it's nighttime and you go out to and then 512 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: you're chasing girls around and you're it's like you're twenty 513 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: you're nineteen, twenty twenty one years old. 514 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: And and that was. 515 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: Sort of the vibe for me, and I just at 516 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: a certain point realized that I was never going to 517 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: have the life I wanted continuing that. And so when 518 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: I was ready, I went to Sierra Tucson and and 519 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: it was the best thing I ever did. 520 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 3: And I actually loved being in rehab. I loved it. 521 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: I learned so much. I was always a pleasure to 522 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 3: have in class. 523 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: In school, I was in the front. I'm in the 524 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: front row raising my hand. That was always me. And 525 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: I was the same in rehab. And I learned a 526 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: ton And you know, you know, by the grace of God, 527 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: I've never had to slip. I've never had to go back. 528 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: I got from the minute I got sober, I've stayed sober. 529 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: I was thirty three years ago. 530 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: Because you work your ass off, so you work your 531 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: ass But is it is it a struggle now or 532 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: it's just is what it is? 533 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: Right, it's in my DNA, it's being you know, having 534 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: the ism is a struggle because it's like whack a mole. Yeah, 535 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: like every decade there's I realized that it's morphed into 536 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: something else that I need to look at and like, 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: right now, this is going to sound insane, but I 538 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: know it's driven from the same thing. It's waking up 539 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: at midnight and going, you know what, you need to 540 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: go to the kitchen and binge on some hogindaws. 541 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: It's noise. The noise is in a different area. Now. 542 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, some people it's gambling. Some people it's sex. 543 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: Some people it's uh workaholism. Yeah, some people it's overtraining. 544 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: I mean it yeah, never goes away. It just moves 545 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: and just hopefully it moves into stuff that's less and 546 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: less harmful and easier and easier to deal with. 547 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Mine is organizing and getting rid of. It's obsessive. It's 548 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: it's insane. I mean, it's that that's mine. 549 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: Are you a collector or getting get rid of. 550 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a hoarder at all, but I Freud would 551 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: have a field day with me walking into this accidental 552 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: influencer business and everybody sending me everything, and so there's 553 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: a curiosity about it. And also I like to purchase. 554 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm a purchaser of certain things that I do collect, 555 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: and then I just get overwhelmed by that we really 556 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: don't need so much and why is this all here? 557 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to you know, But it's definitely 558 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: not a hoarders. I have the most organized, the macular 559 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: house you could imagine. But it's just I'm just as 560 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: too much in coming out going stuff, you know, Like 561 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: that's why I wouldn't be good at really being an 562 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: interior designer, because it would be too noisy for me 563 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: to have like a J. Dart or candles or art. 564 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: Like I don't want like a storage facility of any 565 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: shit ever. I want it out. So that's a sickness. 566 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's good. I like it. 567 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good one. It's not. It's like working 568 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: at It's good because I could come into your house 569 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: and organize it and you'd be so happy. 570 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: It's so funny you say that, because again, one of 571 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: the things about my wife that I remember, you know, 572 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: and I was actively dating big time and she was 573 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: among the people that I was seeing, and she came 574 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: over and organized my coffee table, the books on my 575 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: coffee table. As long as I live, no one else 576 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: done that. 577 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: That's nice. 578 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 3: No one else's never done that. 579 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Well, your marriage is a big part of 580 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: your identity too, and you seem to be pretty good 581 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: at it. No marriage is perfect, But I'm asking if like, 582 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: you've had serious bumps to make us all feel better 583 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: about our miserable lives, or have you not? 584 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: And this is one of the reasons why, you know, 585 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: to the extent that I ever hesitate to talk about it. 586 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: The temptation is that, oh, well, it must be perfect, 587 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: and well, sure, anybody can be married for thirty three 588 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: years if it's perfect and there aren't any struggles or 589 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: you know, and that's not the case. 590 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: I mean, it just isn't, you know. 591 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: Every it's it's no different than a long career. If 592 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 2: you are in a long marriage or if you're in 593 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: a long career, by definition, you're going to have those 594 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: fallow periods because nothing in life remains the same. Nothing nothing, nothing, nothing, 595 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: stock market, business relationships, they all have their ups and downs. 596 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: And I think the difference is both in careers and marriages, 597 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: is how you react when they're down. 598 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: And that's an amazing point. 599 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: And that's the difference. That is literally the difference in 600 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: a long career, short career, or a long marriage or 601 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: a short marriage is what do you do? 602 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: Do you run? Do you blame? Can you live in acceptance? 603 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: Can you change? 604 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: Can the other person change? Can you forgive? Can you 605 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: take responsibility all of those things, and a lot of 606 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: people can't do any of them. 607 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: It's a great point. And do you lean in and 608 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: be like all right, let's let's work this thing through, 609 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: or like you. 610 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: Said, we work hard. 611 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: Listen, we do marriage therapy even when we don't quote 612 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: unquote need it. 613 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: You want to lock the door so you don't get robbed. 614 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's like it's like you too, it's 615 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 2: to you send your car and to get tuned up. 616 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: So true, it's such a that's a great that's such 617 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: a that's that's that's really a great note. And so 618 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: you've had some serious roadblocks, like you've been canceled in 619 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: a time when people didn't even get canceled. And I've 620 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: thought about not even since meeting you, I've thought about 621 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: that in my life. I don't know why that. I 622 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: don't believe that would even be on the board for 623 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: cancelation as long like things hit differently back then, and 624 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: so it was look bad to me overall. On a 625 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: one to ten of like your career being stratospheric, I 626 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: envisioned it that your career was stratospheric. You hit a 627 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: brick wall and then you were not present for a while, 628 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you started to slowly 629 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: come back in different types of things. That's how I 630 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: perceive it. So how accurate is that. 631 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: I would say that that's pretty accurate. I would say 632 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: that there are two things that I think that that 633 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: add to it a little more context. One is I 634 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: actually think that in many ways, my ill fated appearance 635 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: on the Academy Awards. 636 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: Did as much damage. 637 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: I was asked to open the Academy Awards and to 638 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: do a song with snow White, and it felt like 639 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: a really good idea at. 640 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: The time, and it was a terrible idea. 641 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: It was a badly conceived It was supposed to be silly, 642 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: and people hated it. And then I think it Then 643 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: post all of that, I got sober, went away to rehab, 644 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: got serious with my wife, got married, moved out of LA. 645 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: Started having kids. 646 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: So I was, I mean, I'm sure it was a 647 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 2: sort of a mutual decision in terms of Hollywood and. 648 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: Me, Like I was. 649 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: I look, I spent the eighties dealing work, building my career, 650 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: and I spent the nineties building myself. 651 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: Wow. So you so it was the bestest thing that 652 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: ever happened to. 653 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 2: You in ways not in ways, It was the best 654 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to me, full stop. 655 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were so like it was 656 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: it was almost like a self fulfilling prophecy to fail. 657 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: You feel like you were reckless and like kind of 658 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: looking for something you were looking for a while to hit. 659 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. 660 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: No, I absolutely remember feeling like, like, you know, it's 661 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: it's it's it's the uh, the criminal that that once 662 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: wants to be arrested. 663 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: Stop. 664 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: Wow. So so you were you You weren't like, oh fuck, 665 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: my career is over because you take that kind of 666 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: make that kind of change. Did you have a backup 667 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: plan or did you know you have enough control over 668 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: who you are and that you're robblow and that you 669 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: can come back when you decide, Because most people like 670 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: you said, if someone knocks on the door, you're going 671 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: to sell your house. If you go away, you could 672 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: be obsolete in the entertainment industry. 673 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: I never thought about it in that way. 674 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: And then I because all I was thinking about at 675 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 2: the time when I was getting sober was it's time 676 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: for me. I'm getting I'm doing this for me. I'm 677 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: not doing it for my career. I'm not doing it 678 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: for public consumption. I'm not doing it to stay together 679 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: with my then girlfriend Cheryl, who became my wife. I 680 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: was doing it for me and it was probably the 681 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: first thing that I ever really did just for me ever, 682 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: and it was all I could think about. It required 683 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: everything and anything else that bubbled up around. 684 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 3: It, like what about my career? What about it? I 685 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 3: was like, don't care, right well, let the chips fall 686 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: where they may. Who knows I'm. 687 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: Doing It's funny. Matthew McConaughey made a similar I don't 688 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: know if you read his book green Light, but he 689 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: made a similar decision about like I'm not taking these 690 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: like shirtless drom coms, and he stood tight. He just 691 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: knew there was a moment when he had to do something, 692 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: and that was my moment, was leaving the housewives. As 693 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: ridiculous as that sounds, it was millions of dollars, and 694 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: it was you know, my business manager said, or my 695 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: someone said, trees grow high, they don't grow high to 696 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: the sky. Take the millions of dollars right now until 697 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: you can't get it anymore. And I made a decision 698 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: to intervene, and just like this is like I've got 699 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: to reinvent and do everything differently now. And it's a 700 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: nice feeling. And people have to be in tune and 701 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: aware and courageous enough to do that. 702 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: But we'll also to hear to hear the voice inside 703 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 2: of them and honor that. Yes, you have to be 704 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 2: courageous on top of that to do it. 705 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: What age was that at that you that you did 706 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: that twenty six That was young to be making those 707 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: kind of big boy decisions to be like getting going 708 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: and going to rehabit, getting married. 709 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,479 Speaker 3: That was you? 710 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: You peaked early? 711 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I I had a lot of life. 712 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: I had more life experience than the average twenty six 713 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: yearl that's for sure. I'd been more, done more, seen more, 714 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: learned more. And but yes, looking back on it, it's 715 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 2: younger than any of my kids are now. 716 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 717 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 3: And I look back on it and go, what the hell? 718 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: So, Lauren Michael's once said to me at dinner he 719 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: was talking about somebody else on SNL or something. It 720 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: wasn't about me, but I just never forget it. He said, 721 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: you have to make an exit to be able to 722 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: make an entrance. 723 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 3: It's such a great It's one of my favorite laurenisms. 724 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: The last two questions I have people have given me 725 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: one piece of advice, like I don't fix them, I 726 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: fix me, or every day we check in once a day. 727 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: These things that I sometimes say, oh god, well I 728 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: don't do that, Like what is your thing that you 729 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: guys do that seems simple to you but would help 730 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: other people in relationships? 731 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 2: Well, there's two things. The number one thing is, let's 732 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: hope you've chosen right to begin with. 733 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 3: Because. 734 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 2: Really the die is cast with who you choose, because, 735 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 2: as you allude to in the advice, you can't change 736 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: another person. 737 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 3: Changing yourself is hard. 738 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: It's like Cheryl and I are simpotico on so many things, money, politics, 739 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: where we want to go on vacations. Uniforms are not 740 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: uniforms in schools. 741 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 3: I mean you name it. 742 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: Not name the list of from the from the banal 743 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 2: to the really intense. And I am going to be 744 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 2: on the exact same page with her all the time. 745 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: Now we happen to disagree on something very important to me. Comedy. 746 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 3: Cheryl Lowe does not understand comedy. 747 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: She doesn't and what do you mean she doesn't understand 748 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: common like she does? She not think you were funny 749 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: because I know couples that were one person's funny and 750 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: the other person doesn't think they're funny. Does she think 751 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: you're funny? 752 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 3: She's smart enough to know that other people think I'm funny. See, yes, 753 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 3: no she doesn't. She's a horrible laugh for me. She's 754 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 3: a black hole. 755 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 2: Oh in my one man shows, and it's a it's 756 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: a running joke amongst our friends and family. 757 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 3: So like, by the way, for some people, that would 758 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 3: be a barrier to entry. 759 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'm a comedy snob. And would you 760 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: think she is? She funny? 761 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 3: No? See? Wow, here's another thing. 762 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 2: And I've had I had, I had one girlfriend in particular. 763 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 2: All we did was laugh. It was fucking amazing. But 764 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,479 Speaker 2: you know what, it's it's fine, It's it's she would 765 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 2: have been, by the way, a terrible wife and a 766 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: terrible life partner, right, you know. 767 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 3: She just doesn't like Bruce Springsteen and her music. 768 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 2: I feel like I can feel the pot smoke in 769 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 2: the air when I listen to the music. 770 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: That's my fiance, Paul. It's say, it's like fish and 771 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: Grateful Dead. Yeah, and it's funny. But the music, the 772 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: music and the comedy those aren't what I call in 773 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: a book that I wrote called I Suck at relationships. 774 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: So you don't have to fundamental differences. I believe you 775 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: can't have fundamental differences by and large, like the things 776 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: that were you know, just like you said, the way 777 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: you parent money, things like that, like values, core values. 778 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: And then the last question is what was your rose 779 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 1: and your thorn of your career? 780 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 3: Ooh, I think the rose continues to be the rose, 781 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 3: which is I. 782 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 2: For whatever reason, I have been able to plant my 783 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 2: flag in the comedy world and the drama world, and 784 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 2: I also have not been pigeonholed in that I can 785 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 2: do funny commercials for Direct TV, and I can do 786 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: a serious drama in the West End in London, and 787 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 2: I can produce and do a game show. 788 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 3: I can. 789 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 2: I kind of get to do whatever. I can write 790 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 2: best selling books, I can. I could kind of do 791 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 2: whatever I think is interesting and that I'm going to 792 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 2: learn from without it bumping people, when people saying what 793 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 2: the hell and people accepting it. So to me, that's 794 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 2: the that's if there's a rose, that's the rose and 795 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 2: the thorn. 796 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 3: Probably. 797 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm such an optimist it's hard for me 798 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 2: to even think of what the thorn is, I don't know. 799 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 2: I think the thorn is more systemic, and I think 800 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 2: the thorn is just that the business is so much 801 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: harder than it's ever been. 802 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 3: It's it's it's harder on every level. 803 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: And you work hard because it's just who you are. 804 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: You're not necessarily working towards something like you're just always 805 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: setting new goals and you just like to work. It's 806 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 1: the journey. 807 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 3: It's it's for sure the journey. 808 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 2: I mean, I think the minute you thinking go, ah, 809 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 2: well I've done it, or well i've really I don't. 810 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 2: I never allow myself to I feel exactly the same 811 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 2: as I did at the beginning of my career. Other 812 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 2: than I also will allow myself to look back and 813 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 2: see how far I've come. 814 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: We're the same age. I think you got a second 815 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: wind because I got a second wind. Like sometimes you 816 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: think maybe it's a little exhausting and I want to 817 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: rest a little, and I maybe near done. And I 818 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: don't know if that's like self defense or something, you 819 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: know what, any self protection. But I've caught a big 820 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: wind and it feels good. And I think it's this age. 821 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's like not a midlife crisis. It's just 822 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: like a reinvigoration and really fine tuning, like sharpening the 823 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: knife so you don't have to waste time. I'm swimming 824 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: with your arms and legs, wasting all this energy. You're 825 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: like right hooked in. 826 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. 827 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 2: The other thing is I don't. I definitely experience and 828 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: and and and life has gotten me to a place 829 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: where I also really know where I'm valuable and what 830 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: my value is. 831 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 3: I'm not. 832 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm not suffering fools anymore anymore. I really did, and 833 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 2: and I know even though I'm super diverse and what 834 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 2: I'm interested in, I also know my lane, if. 835 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,240 Speaker 3: That makes any sense. 836 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of a counterintuitive, but but but I 837 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 2: really know, like where what moves the needle for me. 838 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: Well that's kind of what I mean. You don't need 839 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: to fuck around and waste time, like you know what 840 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. You'll take chances if you're inspired. 841 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: But like it's a quality versus quantity model. Yeah, I 842 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: love it. I love meeting you, talking to you and 843 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: knowing you and versa. Really, so we're friends now. And 844 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: when I'm in Santa Barbara, I'm coming over. 845 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll show you. I'll show you the real estate. 846 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 2: I mean we need, yes, you need, as they say, 847 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 2: a footprint over here. 848 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: I think, yes, I do. I love it. My daughter 849 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: loves it. So so amazing talking to you. Thank you 850 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: for having me on your show, and thank you for 851 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: coming online. And give my love to your family. 852 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 3: I will. And this is great. It was. It was 853 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 3: so fun to be a guest. 854 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 1: It's different for you. 855 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's this is this is the best. 856 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a good guest. You're a very good guest. 857 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 3: Oh good. Yeah, I haven't lost it by being a 858 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 3: host for so long. 859 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 2: Now. 860 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: No, you're a very good host and you're a very 861 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: good guest. So that's awesome. Yeah, really good. That's why 862 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk forever. You're just a very good guests. 863 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: So thank you for talking to me. 864 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. It's great being here. 865 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: I was on Rob Low's podcast and I really liked him. 866 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: He's a good talker, he's a good listener. He's evolved, 867 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 1: he is emotionally intelligent, he is a hard worker, he's 868 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: very inspirational, and I really really enjoyed doing his podcast. 869 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: And I'm honored and humbled that he wanted to do mine, 870 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, as a result of that conversation, because I 871 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: do think that sometimes people think I'm just some nitwit 872 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: reality star, and there are just some times that people 873 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: come on and I feel like I'm not worthy. And 874 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: it was exciting to have him on, and I thought 875 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: he was extraordinary, as good a guest as he as 876 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: a host.