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Speaker 1: Out with Sean Merriman. What's up, guys. We're back again
Speaker 1: with another Lights Out podcast with me Sean Raymond and UH.
Speaker 1: We're going to one of the hottest industries in I
Speaker 1: would say the country, probably in the world. Um at
Speaker 1: the great deck growing and something I did when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, UH, and that's collecting cards, trading cards.
Speaker 1: They we got Jason Holworth, the VP of Panini America
Speaker 1: trading cards. Myself, I have a deal in partnership with UH. Panini.
Speaker 1: They had been great partners in mine over the course
Speaker 1: of this past year, so a couple of years now
Speaker 1: and UH doing some great things, launching some new products
Speaker 1: and UM. Like I said, it's one of the hottest industries.
Speaker 1: Heard a friend of mine, Gary Gary V, talking about
Speaker 1: it maybe about five or six years ago, before this
Speaker 1: industry even got big. UM. So we'll have Jason Haworth
Speaker 1: coming on a day, who's a VP of Panini America,
Speaker 1: and talk about the expansion growth and their plans and
Speaker 1: what they're planning on doing. You know, Actually, I gotta
Speaker 1: deal with you guys, I got like three or four
Speaker 1: more signings on my um yep, on my deal over
Speaker 1: that I've been been working with you guys for a
Speaker 1: for a while now. Yeah, absolutely, so well, thank you
Speaker 1: for signing those cards that are important to the fan
Speaker 1: base for sure and to us of course. So so
Speaker 1: let me so let me ask you always and just
Speaker 1: something I wanted to know, how do you guys kind
Speaker 1: of you know, know what's hot and know what's in
Speaker 1: the market, know what's needed. Right, So even when I
Speaker 1: do signings myself, do you guys you know, just know
Speaker 1: the temperature of the market and certain guys might have
Speaker 1: a big game or certain guys might have a big
Speaker 1: social media presence because you know, I still every day
Speaker 1: on social media people ask me to sign stuff. But
Speaker 1: how do you guys like evaluate you know, how you
Speaker 1: know what what cards or what athletes to go after
Speaker 1: and do deals with. Yeah? Yeah, so I mean obviously, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we're how on the active on the active side,
Speaker 1: so active players and rookies, Um, you know, the rookies
Speaker 1: tend to predominance, you can imagine, are predominantly heavy on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. Uh. You know, collectors
Speaker 1: like people that score touchdowns. I disagree with that. I
Speaker 1: like dudes that sack quarterbacks as well. So but you know,
Speaker 1: so we're have you on the rookie side, on the
Speaker 1: skill position side, and then as we dig into the
Speaker 1: veteran side of that, you know, you start to see
Speaker 1: more of the defensive players, and then you've got the
Speaker 1: legend component and the legend component. I want to say,
Speaker 1: we probably have maybe a hundred and fifty legends that
Speaker 1: we you know, or retired guys that we you know,
Speaker 1: we dig into our you know, our group and it
Speaker 1: and it really varies depending on what we're you know,
Speaker 1: what we're looking at. But we we tend to have
Speaker 1: more flexibility on the retired guys from a defensive player
Speaker 1: because they hadn't been they hadn't been featured so much
Speaker 1: as an autograph trading card during their playing you know,
Speaker 1: during their playing years or as a key, so you know,
Speaker 1: getting guys like you or Troy Polamala or you name it.
Speaker 1: I mean Troy didn't have an autograph card for years.
Speaker 1: I mean he almost I think he the last few
Speaker 1: years he played, he didn't have an autograph card. You know.
Speaker 1: Then when he retired, we were able to get him
Speaker 1: to start signing cards. So, um, you know, good balance there.
Speaker 1: And then obviously fan favorites and you're certainly one of those.
Speaker 1: Does does a fan base dictate a lot of that?
Speaker 1: So like, obviously Troy play for the Steelers and they
Speaker 1: have a ridiculous fan base, right, So do you have
Speaker 1: is there like a difference in a guy that's same
Speaker 1: equal talent and you know, obviously Troy Pallymala is going
Speaker 1: to go down as one of the best safeties ever.
Speaker 1: But you know, take a you know, guy that's not
Speaker 1: Troy Polamala, but it was really good four or five
Speaker 1: six Pro Bowls that play for um, you know, Green Bay,
Speaker 1: or a guy to play you know, four or five
Speaker 1: to play for the Dog, you know, somebody with a
Speaker 1: smaller fan base. Is that that changed the situation? The
Speaker 1: fan base definitely changes the position, definitely changes the situation.
Speaker 1: But I think that you know, there are guys that
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a standout player, it almost doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what team you're from, right I mean obviously there
Speaker 1: are teams that are certainly more collectible and then other teams,
Speaker 1: and that always plays into it. You wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: on who those are. But I mean last year the
Speaker 1: hottest rookie was Justin Herbert. So from a fan base perspective,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the thing is like on the
Speaker 1: rookie side, it doesn't matter, right, Like on the rookie side,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, would we would would we have
Speaker 1: loved to seeing Trevor Lawrence in the New York Jets uniform.
Speaker 1: Sure it's the New York market, but you know, he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that can translate, you know, against
Speaker 1: Jacksonville regardless. So the rookie class tends to this, well,
Speaker 1: we might root for them to be on certain teams
Speaker 1: in certain markets because there's that exponential you know. I
Speaker 1: think about, you know, the year Dakins Zeke came into
Speaker 1: the league and they happened to be Dallas Cowboys, Like
Speaker 1: do they I mean, obviously that was huge because it
Speaker 1: was the Cowboys and then you had two really great
Speaker 1: keys performing, you know, at the same time on that team,
Speaker 1: So that just elevated it a bit more. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: teams certainly, you know, having the impact, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: guys if they're hot rookie, it almost doesn't matter, you know.
Speaker 1: I think about Kyler Murray with the Arizona Cardinals when
Speaker 1: he came out still hot, you know, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: So let me let me ask you this. So one
Speaker 1: of my best friends the other day, Um, he's a
Speaker 1: huge and I got the cards in here and stuff
Speaker 1: like that of my own. Um, and a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are friends of mine with people that I know.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, yo, dude, signage for me. So
Speaker 1: I got you know, ten fifty, I gotta justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: you know, Rookie, I got all. I got some stuff
Speaker 1: in there myself. But one of my one of my
Speaker 1: boys that pulled the other day, one of uh, I
Speaker 1: think Lee um one of the balls prisms he and
Speaker 1: I think the car was worth eighteen and nineteen grand
Speaker 1: is something along those lines, right, So I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen that Lebronze goal for millions, and
Speaker 1: some of these cards out there go for millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: But was so if you get a card like you know,
Speaker 1: um ball from from the Hornage, what's the next level up?
Speaker 1: Like Sea goals to it? You know, Rookie here a
Speaker 1: couple of All Star games. How does a market dictate
Speaker 1: how much that that card is um is worth. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: the market totally dictates it. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: the other thing that's kind of evolved in the trading
Speaker 1: card space is that you know, before those high value
Speaker 1: cards used to just be about that rookie card that
Speaker 1: had the autograph signature on it. Maybe it was limited
Speaker 1: to five or you know, one of one with an
Speaker 1: NBA logo. Man, But now what you're seeing and you're
Speaker 1: referencing our prison brand, our prison brand is a monster,
Speaker 1: like you know it? What where did that? Where did
Speaker 1: that come from? Like? What? Like honest, because I have
Speaker 1: a whole I got a couple of packs in here myself.
Speaker 1: How how did you guys put that as the How
Speaker 1: did that come about? When you put that as the
Speaker 1: elite package? Yeah? So, I mean we introduced prison in
Speaker 1: teen and it took it had to get its legs,
Speaker 1: and there was you know, some people that had mixed
Speaker 1: feelings over it. But you know, in the last three
Speaker 1: or four years, it's just absolutely blown up because of
Speaker 1: the powerallels. And to your point, you get a beautiful
Speaker 1: those cards are beautiful, but you get a beautiful parallel
Speaker 1: or red version of pink, version of blue, version a
Speaker 1: purple version, of green version, you name it. You know,
Speaker 1: they all have certain levels of value based on the
Speaker 1: color parallel it is, and so you know that dictates
Speaker 1: some of that. And then obviously who the player is.
Speaker 1: And so you know clearly, you know, they're three guys
Speaker 1: that you know, could arguably have stood out this year
Speaker 1: minus injuries, you know, in this NBA rookie class, LaMelo
Speaker 1: being one of them for sure. So I mean did
Speaker 1: go on to win Rookie of the Year. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's obviously going to drive the category
Speaker 1: and drive the market. What's but what's amazing is we
Speaker 1: what we're talking about was the fact that I mean
Speaker 1: it's about autographed and but that that prison version and
Speaker 1: that parallel version is so sought after because it's such
Speaker 1: a and you know, tied to the right air. But
Speaker 1: that's what drives dot value on the card. Fox Sports
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Speaker 1: set to me and it's you know, I got my
Speaker 1: ten or one of one or whatever it is. So
Speaker 1: I I get that point. Let me let me ask
Speaker 1: you about this because I just recently over the past
Speaker 1: year got into the n f T s UM because
Speaker 1: you explain, because I know what it is, but maybe
Speaker 1: there's some people out there that don't fully understand what
Speaker 1: n f T is and how important it is that
Speaker 1: you got sure. So it literally we launched our blockchain
Speaker 1: platform in January and back then, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: believe it's like literally eighteen months ago, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: no one had any idea what n f T was.
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't even make it it like as
Speaker 1: a high like as a high point of like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a message point to the consumer, is hey,
Speaker 1: there's a non fund bill token tied to this card
Speaker 1: on this blockchain platform. Because everyone was so focused about blockchain.
Speaker 1: You know, blockchain is super important. The n f T
Speaker 1: is the engine that makes the asset live on the blockchain. Right,
Speaker 1: There's an asset that's tied to it so that you
Speaker 1: can track it wherever it goes. That's the non vlungible token, right.
Speaker 1: That was super important when we started to look at
Speaker 1: n f T s and blockchain, what it meant, like
Speaker 1: how we would integrate it into trading cards. We saw
Speaker 1: a ton of value in that, Hey, it would perform,
Speaker 1: it would carry a ledger of knowing who owned the
Speaker 1: best Kobe Bryant card. You know, you'd be able to
Speaker 1: track that. If you opened up a physical card, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know who has the best Kobe Bryant collection or
Speaker 1: any you know, for anything or that matter. You know,
Speaker 1: blockchain and n f T allows you to track that
Speaker 1: over a ledger of time to see where, you know,
Speaker 1: who owns that asset. So that was super important to
Speaker 1: us when we kicked it off. The other part that
Speaker 1: was really important was helping collectors understand the value of
Speaker 1: the asset. And so early on, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: understand you know, the value of an n f T
Speaker 1: asset you know, on the blockchain compared to a physical card.
Speaker 1: So what we did was we when we launched it,
Speaker 1: we tied we built a hundred cards set and we
Speaker 1: had a physical card tied to every one of those assets,
Speaker 1: so they got the value of the physical card. You know,
Speaker 1: National Chargers version. You mentioned that one of one really
Speaker 1: nice clean looking card thick has a piece of memorability
Speaker 1: in it, player autograph on it, So they knew the
Speaker 1: value of that physical card and then they weren't so
Speaker 1: sure of what the n f T value was, but
Speaker 1: you could see a premium coming with it because there
Speaker 1: was a digital element tied to it. So that was
Speaker 1: that first phase, first step. Then we went into like
Speaker 1: purely launching just n f T blockchain assets that just
Speaker 1: lived on our site and they were scarce, like that's
Speaker 1: the other part. The DNA of of trading cards has
Speaker 1: always been scarcity. There's been other n f T s
Speaker 1: out in the market that you know, who've gone up
Speaker 1: with huge numbers and have saturated the marketplace. You know,
Speaker 1: We're focused on building a level of scarcity so that
Speaker 1: we can replicate the physical value of a card to
Speaker 1: the n f T space um through scarcity, So that
Speaker 1: was super important to us. We started with just individualized
Speaker 1: cards on the n f t um blockchain, making those
Speaker 1: cards available on our site at Panini America dot net.
Speaker 1: And then just four weeks ago we introduced our first
Speaker 1: pack product, which was our NBA n f T pack products,
Speaker 1: and that's been on fire. We literally just launched our
Speaker 1: sneaker Spotlight n f T packs this morning and they
Speaker 1: sold They sold out in a minute, like it was
Speaker 1: you know, how how long do you think that's gonna last? Right?
Speaker 1: Because the very first person I seemed talking about how
Speaker 1: big trade and could now obviously I collected when I
Speaker 1: was a kid and stuff like that, but it kind
Speaker 1: of had a period where it died down a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: and then it came back on. The first person I
Speaker 1: seemed talking about it was Gary V. That that was
Speaker 1: I might have missed other people, but you know, he
Speaker 1: had to loud his voice, right, He was the one
Speaker 1: that was only that think it was in two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen. He was like, hey guys, these trading
Speaker 1: cards are coming back around, and it's so how long
Speaker 1: do you think that it's going to be big like this?
Speaker 1: Or do you see it not only being this big
Speaker 1: and getting bigger? It's getting bigger. So what the difference
Speaker 1: between what happened when we were kids, right, is like,
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the eighties collected cards.
Speaker 1: You know, the trading card companies just oversaturated the marketplace
Speaker 1: with with cards, so that all those cards that we
Speaker 1: collected as kids, thinking that they were going to be
Speaker 1: valuable weren't because it was super saturated. The markets changed
Speaker 1: and shifted so that you've got unique numbering on cards now, Um,
Speaker 1: so you know exactly that there's only six hundred of
Speaker 1: these cards in the world, or four of these cards
Speaker 1: in the world, or a one of one is truly
Speaker 1: a one of one, right, So you've got that part.
Speaker 1: And the other side that's different from you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day when we were kids, is that the
Speaker 1: market has expanded. Right. It used to be that you
Speaker 1: just walk into your own hobby store and that was
Speaker 1: your commune city. You didn't know what was happening outside
Speaker 1: of that space. Now you've got case breaking happening, things
Speaker 1: happening online, You've got guys opening up product online. So
Speaker 1: it's really become a global community where people can see
Speaker 1: what's happening in the space. And the market has totally grown,
Speaker 1: you know global. We we've we launched our social platforms
Speaker 1: in China in August of nineteen and then are direct
Speaker 1: to consumer platform in China right in the middle of
Speaker 1: the pandemic in March of March, and that's grown exponentially
Speaker 1: over there. So we've seen the global marketplace expand in
Speaker 1: terms of their excitement for trading cards and as we
Speaker 1: balance out that supply and demand, making sure that we
Speaker 1: maintain that level of scarcity. Is the market grows, the
Speaker 1: scarcity in some cases still say it still stays the same.
Speaker 1: So that's not changing. Um. And then you've got great
Speaker 1: personalities you think about, you know what's happening. You know
Speaker 1: in the football space, You've got the young guys coming up.
Speaker 1: You've obviously got those guys that are the that dreams
Speaker 1: that are kind of you know, still playing, that mean
Speaker 1: everything to the world. You know, I'm from Boston, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use Tom Brady as an example. You know,
Speaker 1: that's it, man, what I'm getting off of. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: I remember those games. Those games were rough, man, you know,
Speaker 1: always had me nervous. You and LT and you know,
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers those guys, it was. It was rough. But
Speaker 1: you know so but I mean, so you've got those
Speaker 1: guys that are there and established, and then you've got
Speaker 1: guys coming up, whether that be Patrick Mahomes or Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert last year. You know that that continue to evolve
Speaker 1: our you know, um, you know, those are the guys
Speaker 1: that are driving the category now, um. You know, and
Speaker 1: those are the those are the ones that are going
Speaker 1: to continue to build the marketplace. Overall on the football side,
Speaker 1: and then I'll obviously on the basketball side, guys like
Speaker 1: Luca don Chick is just you know, I mean, they're huge.
Speaker 1: So that's what that mel was my next question. You're
Speaker 1: talking about the global expansion, mean you guys getting bigger,
Speaker 1: Like take somebody like Luca, right, do you the un
Speaker 1: now go into maybe his country internationally and launched something
Speaker 1: specifically with him or you're like, you're going with these
Speaker 1: guys that it's that the role map. Um No, we
Speaker 1: we when we launch a product, it's a global product.
Speaker 1: You know, from a trading card person right off the top,
Speaker 1: it's it's global right away. Absolutely. So Luca is one
Speaker 1: of those guys that's an exclusive Panini athletes, so he
Speaker 1: signs memorabilia for us as well. And obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: had a great game of a few days ago. I'm
Speaker 1: losing track of the days here, Um, what's happening in Tokyo.
Speaker 1: But obviously great game the other day. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: that continues to just grow his popularity, you know, globally,
Speaker 1: what he does on the world stage, you know, in
Speaker 1: addition to just the NBA stage. So what's so what's next?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the guys working on global, the n
Speaker 1: f T s are getting bigger. Is there something coming
Speaker 1: in the market that people are not really paying attention
Speaker 1: to as much? I'm not asking you to give up
Speaker 1: you guys secrets and next moves, but is there something
Speaker 1: you're seeing that people aren't really paying attention to in
Speaker 1: this space yet that you guys see coming. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously UFC we launched our first product here um a
Speaker 1: few months about two and a half months ago, and
Speaker 1: that's been absolutely on fire. Our next UFC product drops
Speaker 1: this week, our UFC Select product. We're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of growth there. Um, They've got some great personalities. I
Speaker 1: mean everyone always talks about Connor, but there's some great
Speaker 1: fighters across then. You know, it's reel. It's reel. All
Speaker 1: these guys were would be you know, even you know
Speaker 1: John Jones it there's a couple of big personality would
Speaker 1: say about ten guys that would do extremely well when
Speaker 1: it's time. Yeah, absolutely, So, I mean those guys are
Speaker 1: you know, are driving the space right now, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a growth opportunity and people are getting excited
Speaker 1: about that. Um, you know, like I said, we just
Speaker 1: introduced our first product and and it went great. I
Speaker 1: have no doubt Select is going to crush it here
Speaker 1: when it launches here in the next couple of days. Um,
Speaker 1: you know. And then the other side is, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously what's happening in this n I L space. The
Speaker 1: N I L space is wild West? Right, twenty six
Speaker 1: days old. Um, hard to believe, but you know, we
Speaker 1: were jumping into that and dialing in as you know, historically,
Speaker 1: what what's happened in the collegiate space, and we've been
Speaker 1: the exclusive partner on the college side for six years now,
Speaker 1: is we've never put a guy in their uniform when
Speaker 1: they're current college athlete. We have to wait for them
Speaker 1: to clear for the draft, you know, go pro, and
Speaker 1: then we fall back into dropping those guys into their
Speaker 1: collision uniforms. So you see Trevor Lawrence in a Clemson
Speaker 1: uniform at this point. You know, what's happened as of
Speaker 1: July one is this wild West. You know, this wild
Speaker 1: West in terms of you know, now you can get
Speaker 1: current college athletes do something with them. I was wanting
Speaker 1: to know about that, right, So now is that completely
Speaker 1: because I read the other day the quarterback for Alabama
Speaker 1: head offers up to a million dollars of endorsemental kind
Speaker 1: of you know, a couple of different things of cols
Speaker 1: to a million a million dollars for you guys, does
Speaker 1: that change the does that is that even crazy? If?
Speaker 1: For you guys now, it's crazier right now because there's
Speaker 1: no parameters in place. And what we're working really hard
Speaker 1: to do is put some parameters in place so you know,
Speaker 1: so that there's at least some infrastructure, especially because trading
Speaker 1: cards are probably the most relevant, you know, to the
Speaker 1: collegiate athlete. Right you tie the college athlete to their
Speaker 1: school when you can, and you put them on a card,
Speaker 1: and that makes it super compelling. And there's only you
Speaker 1: know two or three you know brands that can really
Speaker 1: or products that can really do that. Trading cards, video games, jerseys,
Speaker 1: right like those are the three that are the the
Speaker 1: big three. And what happened was, you know, when the
Speaker 1: when the n C double A said hey, everyone, you
Speaker 1: figure it out on your own, Like everything that you
Speaker 1: thought might have happened completely changed. So you know, last
Speaker 1: week we announced an exclusive with one Team Partners to
Speaker 1: handle group licensing UH for the college athlete under n
Speaker 1: I L. So that will help give us a larger
Speaker 1: infrastructure that's more kind of in line with what you
Speaker 1: do from a trading card perspective. So you're not just
Speaker 1: focused on the you know, the most marketable athletes. You're
Speaker 1: not just focused on the Heisman watch list. You've got
Speaker 1: this wide depth to build a really compelling product. That's
Speaker 1: the first step. You know, we announced that last week
Speaker 1: and then today we just announced our partnership with the
Speaker 1: College Licensing Company CLC to bring out of Alabama, North
Speaker 1: Calina something right, Yeah, they're in it. They're in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: they're in Georgia, Georgia. So CLC through CLC, we just
Speaker 1: introduced co brand opportunities within our within our contract. So
Speaker 1: what that means is essentially is now we can go
Speaker 1: out to that college athlete and put them in their
Speaker 1: in their collegiate uniform. Naturally, we have to still submit
Speaker 1: the product to the schools and the schools have to
Speaker 1: approve it, but that's no different than what we have
Speaker 1: to do already. So you know, and that that pieces evolving.
Speaker 1: You started where you know, before July one, people were
Speaker 1: say sing, you won't see co brand, it will never
Speaker 1: be co branded. College athlete, can you know, benefit off
Speaker 1: of their school marks. But in the case of trading cards,
Speaker 1: it's the most relevant because that's where it's the most compelling,
Speaker 1: right And so you know, it's not just like a
Speaker 1: card dealership saying like, oh, hey, I want to use
Speaker 1: a guy in its collegiate uniform. This is like literally
Speaker 1: we're doing it already with guys you know, in their
Speaker 1: collegiate uniform once they jump to the you know, once
Speaker 1: once they jumped to the pros. The college athlete connected
Speaker 1: to their school marks, you know, for college sports fans
Speaker 1: is super compelling. And that exists for trading cards and
Speaker 1: for video games and for you know, for you know,
Speaker 1: for jerseys. Those are the things that are going to
Speaker 1: be the most relevant from a licensing perspective, and that
Speaker 1: those are the ones that make the most sense. That
Speaker 1: needs to start to pay that way for co brand opportunities,
Speaker 1: you know, where you get the school I P which
Speaker 1: we already have, and we marry that to the college athlete.
Speaker 1: I think that honestly, I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you guys see it. What's the plans with that? To me,
Speaker 1: it just opens up the flood gates to more stuff
Speaker 1: you guys can do. Um, you know, me being having
Speaker 1: a nickname like lights Out and being in college and
Speaker 1: it being a big deal. I can only imagine what
Speaker 1: you know, what have what it could have happened been, um,
Speaker 1: and you guys get involved and that, you know, and
Speaker 1: uh and that kind of branding and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So Jason, Man, I appreciate you for coming on and
Speaker 1: you've got tons of stuff to do. UM. Thank you
Speaker 1: too for you guys and being a you know, great
Speaker 1: partner and just great people over there and always taking
Speaker 1: care of it. I got probably a couple more signs
Speaker 1: with you guys throughout the year and just just awesome
Speaker 1: work with man and congratulations launching all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: it's only gonna get bigger from here. So yeah, thanks,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And like I said earlier, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you signing those cards. I mean those are
Speaker 1: super important to the fans of you and you know,
Speaker 1: to football fans overall, So we appreciate what you do.
Speaker 1: You gotta man, appreciate it. Thank you, Thanks Sean, Thanks
Speaker 1: guys for listening to another lights Out podcast for me,
Speaker 1: Shawn Merriman. UM, And that was cool for me because,
Speaker 1: just like a lot of people in this country, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the hell exactly what the
Speaker 1: hell uh and n f T s and how it
Speaker 1: works and how do you value it? Uh? So that
Speaker 1: was some great insight. UM. Want to thank Jason again
Speaker 1: for coming on uh and just spread that information because
Speaker 1: I think that, um, you know, this trading card industry
Speaker 1: is gonna be something that's gonna it's big now, but
Speaker 1: gonna be even bigger in the near future and great
Speaker 1: stuff they're doing over there. So thanks guys. Listening to
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