Speaker 1: Hey, every buddy America, Hey Americans America, How is American?
Speaker 1: That is the podcast? And that was that was a
Speaker 1: horrible issue. That was maybe your talk ten worst This
Speaker 1: is it could happen here a podcast where an incompetent
Speaker 1: Rube Fox up starting the show and then we talk
Speaker 1: about how things are falling apart or how to make
Speaker 1: things not fall apart, or some version of things in
Speaker 1: between those two facts. Yep, yep. That's a kind of
Speaker 1: kind of not great time going on right now. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are that was our second. That was
Speaker 1: our b pitch for the name. Kind not a great
Speaker 1: time going on right now. Actually not that far from
Speaker 1: what was the say. Yeah, I mean it's like, especially
Speaker 1: especially right now, there's there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of trials going on, m feet on stuff, and the
Speaker 1: mud are very trial is happening, the one about you know,
Speaker 1: Unit Unite the Right is going on, and of course
Speaker 1: the kindn't his trial as of as of recording is um. People,
Speaker 1: the jury is still in deliberation. Um, So no idea
Speaker 1: what's going to be the result. By the time this episode,
Speaker 1: I've actually been like not commenting on it or neither
Speaker 1: to think about it. There's nothing we can do about it.
Speaker 1: There is nothing you can do. And like a lot
Speaker 1: of people, there's been discussion about how much civil unrest
Speaker 1: there's going to be depending on the result of the trial.
Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of like National guards
Speaker 1: sent to Wisconsin. It's been you know, FBI door Knox
Speaker 1: and activists tombs trying to scare people so they don't
Speaker 1: you know, go out and ride or whatever. Discussion online,
Speaker 1: the people you know, planning protests in response to in
Speaker 1: response to whatever the result is. Um. I know just
Speaker 1: today there was a post from I think the Ohio
Speaker 1: Proud Boys claiming that they we sending like like, uh,
Speaker 1: was it hundreds or thousands of like people armed with
Speaker 1: like a RS to Wisconsin or Yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 1: fucking post. People are saying, like you should take it
Speaker 1: seriously because it's from a Proud Boys internal chat and
Speaker 1: it's like we've got three hundred guys heavily armed heading
Speaker 1: to and there's already X number of guys there, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill a lot more communists than Kyle Rittenhouse did.
Speaker 1: And YadA, YadA, YadA, And if I could give you
Speaker 1: one piece of advice now, and who knows where the
Speaker 1: world is at the point of which this episode drops.
Speaker 1: It's when people talk about say when if you are
Speaker 1: at a protest and someone starts talking about the Proud
Speaker 1: Boys and the Proud Boys are coming or the Proud
Speaker 1: Boys are here, if you don't immediately see uncontrovertible visual
Speaker 1: proof that they have access to showing it, assume it's nonsense. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is my advice as someone who has heard a
Speaker 1: thousand times people say versions of the Proud Boys are coming. Okay,
Speaker 1: insist on evidence or ignore it. But you know, whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever these big will you know, unrests and types of
Speaker 1: stuff happens, there's always an increased chance that there will
Speaker 1: be some kind of protest related shooting. Especially people are
Speaker 1: definitely absolutely may have happened by the time this episode drops.
Speaker 1: Especially people are bringing guns. People people bring firearms under
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of there's you know, for the
Speaker 1: demonstrations outside the courthouse, there's been you know, guns there. Um,
Speaker 1: there's been you know, an increasing uh in the rate
Speaker 1: of shootings at protests on the West Coast throughout the
Speaker 1: past few months. Um, So I'm gonna be kind of
Speaker 1: talking about you know some things that you can do
Speaker 1: if you're at home and you feel competent enough in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of one of one of these shootings. You know,
Speaker 1: if if if you know, if a proud boy does
Speaker 1: bring a bring a gun and shoot somebody at what
Speaker 1: you can actually do if video, if you're in a
Speaker 1: situation where you've been following something happening all day, there's
Speaker 1: a shooting and like low quality footage starts coming out
Speaker 1: of somebody killing someone or someone's else, here's what to
Speaker 1: do next if you want to maybe be a positive
Speaker 1: part of of that, of that process, well not of
Speaker 1: that process, but of like the aftermath of it, you know.
Speaker 1: And and because because the universe is cruel. I I
Speaker 1: originally wrote this road right up about the written house shooting.
Speaker 1: Um because the universe is a cruel place and it's gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, continue to This particular incident is going to
Speaker 1: continue to be impactful. Even though it's not the first,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the last one of these. It
Speaker 1: is still impactful because of how much of a symbol
Speaker 1: has been turned into So I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people forget about how how chaotic the night on the
Speaker 1: Internet was. The day of the Kenosha shooting. UM, like
Speaker 1: it was. It was wild being online as that was
Speaker 1: going on. Uh. No, one had no idea what was
Speaker 1: going on. People could not agree on who the shooter
Speaker 1: was beforehand. There was a lot of pictures floating around.
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was. It was a nightmare. Uh.
Speaker 1: We know, we knew that people were shot, we couldn't
Speaker 1: know how many or who. Like, it was was pretty
Speaker 1: bad and chaotic. And it is always that way in
Speaker 1: the wake of a shooting. UM. And it is the
Speaker 1: in any given shooting. Always keep in mind when you're
Speaker 1: when you're online or in person and there has been
Speaker 1: a shooting and people are saying things about said shooting
Speaker 1: other than we should take cover from the shooting. If
Speaker 1: they're saying anything else about it, um, you have to
Speaker 1: assume they're probably not either wrong or not entirely accurate. UM,
Speaker 1: because it's hard to be. It happens constantly. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not it's something against any of them. I can
Speaker 1: remember a moment when you and I were out last
Speaker 1: year Garrison and there was a shooting I don't know,
Speaker 1: like forty ft away. Um. Nobody hurt, thankfully, but like
Speaker 1: the the immediate report from it was some guy had
Speaker 1: gotten pulled an a R fifteen out of his car
Speaker 1: and uh, and I think the thing I said to
Speaker 1: you was I'll bet you right now it's a nine
Speaker 1: millimeter handgun. And sure enough, within minutes there was a photo. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's and it's not that those people were like dumb
Speaker 1: or bad. It's that, like shootings are scary, guns getting
Speaker 1: pulled is scary, and people funk up um in in
Speaker 1: their recollections. Um. It's the same way in which, like
Speaker 1: if a bear comes after you, uh, you may exaggerate
Speaker 1: the size of that bear in your head because you're
Speaker 1: scared as ship because it's a bear. So So I
Speaker 1: was home on August um just and I I was,
Speaker 1: I was. I was actually about to go out to
Speaker 1: to uh cover a purchase in Portland, but then I
Speaker 1: saw this happened on my phone on Twitter. I was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot go out. I will be more useful at home. Um. So,
Speaker 1: with with so much uncertainty online or the details of
Speaker 1: the actual shooting it was, it was clear that trying
Speaker 1: to provide concrete information would be crucial in the hours
Speaker 1: to come. So I spowed it up my computer and
Speaker 1: started to try to begin to search for you know,
Speaker 1: information and verifiable stuff. Um. So I spent I spent
Speaker 1: all night looking looking for details about the shooter, you know, um,
Speaker 1: uncovering his supposed identity. Um. Ultimately, about an hour before
Speaker 1: or the police announced their investigation even started. Um and
Speaker 1: and twelve hours before the police announced the shooters arrest
Speaker 1: um and also to my surprise at the time, I
Speaker 1: discovered that the shooter was the same age as me. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that. That was That was a night so
Speaker 1: um Because because I mean only use Twitter, and most
Speaker 1: of the video of the instant was on Twitter, I started,
Speaker 1: uh my my investigation by looking at Twitter. Uh. My
Speaker 1: first goal was to find as as many videos of
Speaker 1: of the shooting that I could, and collect pictures of
Speaker 1: all of the alleged suspects, all all the people who
Speaker 1: were claiming, hey, this is this is this is the shooter.
Speaker 1: I think I think I got a picture of the shooter.
Speaker 1: Who's here's what he is. Um so. I I kept
Speaker 1: my eye on trending terms, so I searched under the
Speaker 1: hashtags like Kenosha, Kenosha shootings, Kanosha shooting, Kenosha protests, Boogaloo
Speaker 1: was trending a lot. A lot of people thought the
Speaker 1: shooter was a boogaloo boy. Um was not um and
Speaker 1: also so U hashtag militia. So the search has brought
Speaker 1: up a lot, a lot of photos of of multiple
Speaker 1: young men, most of whom were carrying long guns, and
Speaker 1: a lot of unconfirmed reports that the shooter was a
Speaker 1: boogaloo boy was trending on Twitter. This was the main
Speaker 1: the main thing that night was boogloo boy shot. All
Speaker 1: this stuff that that was the main the main trending topic.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of conflicting details, and I
Speaker 1: did not want to kind of add the misinformation, so
Speaker 1: I decided to not make any posts but whatsoever about
Speaker 1: the identity of the shooter until I was one pcent
Speaker 1: confident um that I had the correct idea, which takes
Speaker 1: a while. It's it's not you know, Twitter wants you
Speaker 1: to post stuff quickly as soon as you find it out,
Speaker 1: and it's way better to hold off your information and
Speaker 1: wait until you were absolutely sure it's the right time
Speaker 1: to post it. And because it's correct, correct stuff, because
Speaker 1: miss mismisidentifying a suspect, you can have a serious, serious
Speaker 1: consequences for any individual UM involved. It's when the worst
Speaker 1: things you can do is is mis misidentify any any suspect.
Speaker 1: So I was looking through all the videos that I
Speaker 1: collected for kind of unique um or identifying clothing that
Speaker 1: that the shooter may have been wearing. The first video
Speaker 1: I found useful was from a right wing videographer named
Speaker 1: Drew hernandez Um who a few months later called from
Speaker 1: bloodshed at the Capitol. He also testified at the Written
Speaker 1: House trial. This video did not actually show any any
Speaker 1: actual shooting. It had a wounded person on the ground
Speaker 1: being treated by a medic, and a man standing over
Speaker 1: the scene with with with a gun, um and wearing
Speaker 1: a green shirt, a tan baseball cat jeans, and like
Speaker 1: purple latex gloves. He had he had a he had
Speaker 1: he had a black and orange bag um. The person
Speaker 1: on the green shirt then runs towards the camera while
Speaker 1: talking on the phone, and he says into the phone, UM,
Speaker 1: I just shot somebody or I just killed somebody. It's
Speaker 1: hard to tell where he's actually saying if it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where if you think about it,
Speaker 1: you can hear both ones. But but he he says
Speaker 1: something like I just killed somebody on the phone and
Speaker 1: he runs past the camera. So this this this, this
Speaker 1: was the first kind of really important piece of information
Speaker 1: personal that was brought up in the trial too, and
Speaker 1: he he was like, I don't remember what I said.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay, Yeah, And to be honest, like, even
Speaker 1: if if this was I don't think any of us
Speaker 1: believe this was legitimate self defense. But like, even if
Speaker 1: it was, either of those things would be perfectly acceptable
Speaker 1: things to say. It's a surprising moment, and you probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't remember what you said. I don't necessarily think he's
Speaker 1: lying about that. It turns out he he was. He
Speaker 1: was on the phone with the person who bought him
Speaker 1: the gun of a friend of his. Um So, but
Speaker 1: but that this was my first important piece of information,
Speaker 1: you know, the the night of right. This is before
Speaker 1: anyone's analyzed any of this stuff. So this is the
Speaker 1: first video that I can find. Its like, Okay, here's
Speaker 1: a person admitting on camera that they shot somebody. Um
Speaker 1: and we're wearing a few potential identifiers, namely the green shirt,
Speaker 1: baseball cap, and bag. Um. So, now I could search
Speaker 1: for all of those items together and the rest of
Speaker 1: the footage collected throughout the night looking over the top
Speaker 1: viral videos of the night showing multiple people getting shot. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is from This is from later on, after the
Speaker 1: first person gets killed, we can see someone in a
Speaker 1: baseball cap, black and raunch bag and what could be
Speaker 1: a green shirt running through a street. Um. Somebody runs
Speaker 1: over to the individual with the gun and kind of
Speaker 1: punches them in the head, not knocking his hat off.
Speaker 1: So now the person running with the gun does not
Speaker 1: have a hat. Individual with the gun he keeps running,
Speaker 1: but trips and falls on the ground before people try
Speaker 1: to disarm him. Four more shots are fired from the
Speaker 1: suspect and uh what one more person dies as a
Speaker 1: result of this. Other person gets their arm nearly blown off. Uh.
Speaker 1: There is one continuous video of all of this happening.
Speaker 1: Extremely useful having having one video of this whole shot. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so the shooter, who appears to be the same person
Speaker 1: is the other video because of the green shirt and
Speaker 1: the hat at the beginning, continues to get onto his
Speaker 1: feet and runs off again. Uh. And the orange orangine
Speaker 1: orangine a black bag swings in front of him as
Speaker 1: he's running, and a purple glove is also visible. UM.
Speaker 1: Multiple vehicles drive past, like police vehicles. UM. The shooter
Speaker 1: then walks up pretty close to police vehicle and he
Speaker 1: just he just he just with with with the rifle
Speaker 1: and nothing, nothing happens. He he like he wait, he
Speaker 1: waves to the cops and they just keep driving and
Speaker 1: he walks away. So after finding watching these videos, I had,
Speaker 1: you know, I had no reason to believe the shooter
Speaker 1: was in custody, um, and I had a good idea
Speaker 1: of his clothing and attire. So now it's time to
Speaker 1: you know, compare this information that I gathered, uh two
Speaker 1: pictures of the supposed you know, suspects circulating on Twitter. Um.
Speaker 1: But but first I think, uh, now it's it's the
Speaker 1: time to listen to people selling new stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: who doesn't oh boy trampled to another state to show
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Speaker 1: ones that pay us do it. We're bad. So there
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of pictures of suspects on Twitter,
Speaker 1: some of them who look nothing like the person we
Speaker 1: now know who shot those people. Um, funny how that happens. It's, uh,
Speaker 1: well it's not funny. It's it's pretty pretty, pretty pretty bad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not great just to share stuff like like
Speaker 1: that when these things happened. Um, which is why I
Speaker 1: said I'm not gonna share anything until no. Um I
Speaker 1: know that it's it's it's actually worth posting about. So
Speaker 1: in uh, I'm gonna go through go through some some
Speaker 1: some of the pictures and stuff of of I'm going
Speaker 1: through at least one of the pictures of one of
Speaker 1: the people people claimed to be the shooter. So in
Speaker 1: one picture circulating you see someone in a green shirt,
Speaker 1: a baseball cap, and big, big, big black rifle. But
Speaker 1: this man's also wearing shorts of a black hat, not
Speaker 1: a tan one, has no bag, appears to be wearing
Speaker 1: like a tactile vest that is also green. So not
Speaker 1: the guy. Even though he's wearing a green shirt and hat.
Speaker 1: Not the same dude. Was be pretty easy to check.
Speaker 1: Not you don't. You really don't need to share that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Pretty sure, Pretty sure a lot of
Speaker 1: people own green shirts. Yea. So two other photos that
Speaker 1: were circulating, they're claiming to be the guy. We had
Speaker 1: a green shirt, a tan baseball cap put on backwards,
Speaker 1: jeans um one of the One of the pictures has
Speaker 1: a bag in front of which is an orange and
Speaker 1: black one, where one of them doesn't. One picture has
Speaker 1: h purple gloves of the picture doesn't. But these dudes
Speaker 1: look pretty similar despite the same differences. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: this is this, this is this, This is the same guy.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm a decision at the night, so
Speaker 1: this is probably the same dude. Um. And he does
Speaker 1: appear to match the shooter a lot better, and there
Speaker 1: was a few few clear fixed pictures of his face
Speaker 1: um here, But honestly, the face of if if you
Speaker 1: look at all the pictures of the Connection shooting that night,
Speaker 1: the pictures of the suspect are really unclear because the
Speaker 1: way that the light hit his face, he looks like
Speaker 1: an incredibly generic white boy. Um like extremely generic. It
Speaker 1: is hard to tell any any I identifying features from
Speaker 1: his face because they look like he looks like every
Speaker 1: every white every white boy. It's really hard to say
Speaker 1: everyone you went to high school with, who I don't
Speaker 1: know sniffed a girl's chair when he likes that's that's
Speaker 1: Kyle rittenhouse visual. Now that I decided that I have,
Speaker 1: like I have a decent collection of pictures of who
Speaker 1: I believe the actual actual suspect, is time time time
Speaker 1: to figure out who the suspects like name actually is
Speaker 1: and this is This is one of the one of
Speaker 1: the harder things. But often you can have a lot
Speaker 1: of help in ways that you might not expect. Um Often,
Speaker 1: once you can get a good picture of someone you know,
Speaker 1: it'd be like, yes, yes, this this is actually the dude.
Speaker 1: Once it gets shared enough, often somebody knows who this
Speaker 1: is already. You know, the internet is a pretty big place.
Speaker 1: I believe. The first I believe the first person to
Speaker 1: actually like like I was the I was the person
Speaker 1: to like prove online who who k written that kind
Speaker 1: of right knows was the shooter. The first person to
Speaker 1: actually tie Kyle's name to the shooter UM was a
Speaker 1: neighbor of his on Facebook. Um. They they saw pictures
Speaker 1: of the shooter on on Facebook and said, Hey, I
Speaker 1: think this I think I recognized this guy. I think
Speaker 1: I think this is my neighbor. UM. So often once
Speaker 1: you started, once you have like enough pictures and those
Speaker 1: can spread, people will feel to find names. It isn't
Speaker 1: as hard as you would think that. The hard part
Speaker 1: is is finding out what personal connections are making those
Speaker 1: links and finding out where where where those are. But stuff,
Speaker 1: stuff spreads in a weird way and right for this,
Speaker 1: you know, I find I was able to prove that
Speaker 1: it was Kyle pretty quickly. Um for a few reasons.
Speaker 1: So after I was doing my my my clothing comparisons
Speaker 1: to figure out this is to prove, like he said,
Speaker 1: this is the actual person who who did these things? UM.
Speaker 1: The other thing I I found that was not it
Speaker 1: was not viral at all, UM, but just because I
Speaker 1: was digging through so much stuff, was this meme shared
Speaker 1: by uh I by some like small Boogaloo account. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a picture of the shooter. UH compare right
Speaker 1: beside a collection of Blue Lives Matter pictures of someone
Speaker 1: who looks kind of similar, linking to a Facebook page
Speaker 1: or not not linking it was it was it was
Speaker 1: screenshot from the Facebook page. And I can tell because
Speaker 1: of the font. And it was, like I said, like
Speaker 1: a written houses photos. So this was the first This
Speaker 1: is the first thing I saw on the like buried
Speaker 1: deep inside like Twitter's, Twitter's, Twitter's images. But by using
Speaker 1: all of like these a hashtag terms was this meme
Speaker 1: and and and and then the meme said, so y'all
Speaker 1: think he's still a boogaloo. No, no, he wasn't. But
Speaker 1: because because of all of the pro police stuff, because
Speaker 1: boogle is generally are not not that fon fond of police. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, um, given given. So you know, if
Speaker 1: someone was to look at this, you know, look at
Speaker 1: this meme itself, it's like, okay, you know the job
Speaker 1: was done, you know, information this dude looks vaguely similar
Speaker 1: ish to the guy on this written house Facebook. Um,
Speaker 1: the gun looks kind of similar because one of the
Speaker 1: pictures of the Facebook was was a guy holding was
Speaker 1: a guy holding in a r um. But you know,
Speaker 1: just something looking similar or even holding a similar gun
Speaker 1: in one picture from a Facebook account. That's not enough
Speaker 1: to be sure about publishing a positive I d that
Speaker 1: there's's there's there's no actual really, there's no like definitive
Speaker 1: proof there because honestly, if I was to look at
Speaker 1: these two guys faces, they don't look incredibly similar because
Speaker 1: faces can distort it with lighting and compression that it's it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's. It can be really difficult. And this is
Speaker 1: where you know, trying to ide a shooter is hard
Speaker 1: and requires complex judgment calls and posting an accurate information
Speaker 1: or like incomplete information um can have you know, extremely
Speaker 1: harm effects. And there's there's a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: examples of this happening in the past. You know, probably
Speaker 1: the biggest example or the most notorious one of false
Speaker 1: identification is the Boston bombing incident. UM. So, you know,
Speaker 1: right after the right after thirteen bombing, you know, thousands
Speaker 1: of users on sites like Reddit and four chan became
Speaker 1: combing through footage to try to identify potential suspects. Screen
Speaker 1: caps of the people they deemed suspicious went viral online
Speaker 1: on on various social media sites. Unfortunately, the slew thing
Speaker 1: work done on four Chuan and Reddit was incredibly shoddy
Speaker 1: UM and seemingly had way more to do with like
Speaker 1: racial paranoia than actual detective work and evidence gathering. The
Speaker 1: New York Post subsequently published a picture on front page
Speaker 1: that that originated on Reddit that users had declared that
Speaker 1: that was showing the two suspects with without doing any
Speaker 1: further verification. So it's it's it's real bad how stuff
Speaker 1: can spread from Reddit like this that's completely unverified to
Speaker 1: you know, a newspaper, even as one as unreputable as
Speaker 1: the Post that's still a very popular paper. The Post
Speaker 1: also claimed that the law enforcement we're looking for those
Speaker 1: two too, uh two individuals in that picture. UM. One
Speaker 1: of the one of the people identified by the post
Speaker 1: was harassed online. UM police police later told him just
Speaker 1: to delete his social media accounts entirely because there was
Speaker 1: no use at that point. UM. When the FBI did
Speaker 1: officially release photos of the unnamed suspects, Reddit users again
Speaker 1: the false he identified these people. What One of the
Speaker 1: people they false he identified went went missing for weeks Priorum.
Speaker 1: His his family received media inquiries about the false, unverified
Speaker 1: rumors of their son's involvement. UM, and rumors of of
Speaker 1: of involvement were spread by reporters from Politico News, Squeak Newsweek,
Speaker 1: NBC News, and BuzzFeed. UM. Eight days after the bombing,
Speaker 1: this guy was actually eight of the bombing. This guy
Speaker 1: was actually found dead and his family said it was
Speaker 1: a suicide. UM, he was not not one of the
Speaker 1: shooters and not one of the bombers. UM. Even more
Speaker 1: than the tactics you could use to try and you know,
Speaker 1: verify things online, the most useful thing you can take
Speaker 1: out of this is if there is a mass shooting
Speaker 1: or other active violence and people on social media are
Speaker 1: saying it is this person, don't share it. Don't just
Speaker 1: don't share it, just wait, especially sharing it if they
Speaker 1: have don't have anything to verify this at all. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna don't again. That
Speaker 1: is the overwhelming thing. We were not gonna, you know.
Speaker 1: That's why you know I'm not gonna share this, Kyle Rittenhouse, UM,
Speaker 1: googloom me, because there's no proof for it. It's it's
Speaker 1: not there now. Eventually, after digging, I would realize that
Speaker 1: this memeu comes from his neighbor saying that she thinks
Speaker 1: the suspect is him. So that's that's what this meme
Speaker 1: was created. Um But still like the there there was
Speaker 1: no no proof for it, so I don't I didn't
Speaker 1: share it. So all the Boston bombing stuff was like
Speaker 1: going through my mind as I know found this and
Speaker 1: was trying to dig for dig from my details. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I could not post a name on the social media
Speaker 1: um or any info until I until I could prove
Speaker 1: it like without a shadow, but doubt that this is
Speaker 1: the same person, because a lot a lot of times
Speaker 1: it is possible. It just requires work in time, you know.
Speaker 1: And a big part of doing this on Twitter is
Speaker 1: like you want to get it out fast so you're
Speaker 1: the first person to do it, so that you know
Speaker 1: you can go vital on your thread of identifying this killer,
Speaker 1: And like, no, that's not the reason to do image verification.
Speaker 1: It's not to go viral on a thread. It's because
Speaker 1: whenever that's your goal you're gonna do, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: shitty fast work that is gonna end up causing some
Speaker 1: kind of horrible consequence, like in the case the Boston bombing.
Speaker 1: And to be even extra clear, the primary use for
Speaker 1: this that kind of what you're teaching people image verification,
Speaker 1: which is something that like like Belling Cat, which is
Speaker 1: has been like kind of a part time employer of mine.
Speaker 1: UM is an open source journalism collective that's broken some
Speaker 1: of the biggest stories in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: And in the classes, we teach a class on image verification.
Speaker 1: And the point is just whenever someone is airing a
Speaker 1: piece of what is like supposedly breaking news based on
Speaker 1: video or images that have been taken at the side
Speaker 1: of a whatever, image verification tactics can help you to
Speaker 1: know whether or not it's whether or not either it's
Speaker 1: true or false, but also just whether or not the
Speaker 1: image the information they're presenting gives you any reason to
Speaker 1: believe it, Like it's you might be full of shit,
Speaker 1: Like that's super important. Yeah, Like there's there's a thing
Speaker 1: that happens like and any time there's something that looks
Speaker 1: like a war starting, there's like this video of a
Speaker 1: bombing from two thousand fourteen in Gaza that goes around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like every time. Yeah, um, there's there's actually five
Speaker 1: or six different kinds of things that are like that Chris,
Speaker 1: that are like, oh, this is there's actually footage from
Speaker 1: like a Russian video game that people keep keeps getting
Speaker 1: like mistaken for action combat footage, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's fucking from a video game. This has been on,
Speaker 1: this has been three Wars. Now, there's this famous footage
Speaker 1: of like a fucking um an air soft battle at
Speaker 1: night with glowing with the glowing pellets and it it
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of looks because it's black and
Speaker 1: white and not a great camera, it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like tracer fire. And it's there's like three Wars that
Speaker 1: people have said like, look, this is still combat footage
Speaker 1: from It happens all the time. And again grant account
Speaker 1: to follow is a hoax I On Twitter, they do
Speaker 1: really good work pointing out just like kind of more
Speaker 1: like more like less high stakes kind of image image
Speaker 1: verification stuff. Um So, but before I get into the
Speaker 1: actual like verification work of like proving, hey, I can
Speaker 1: actually prove that that by by not just someone's face,
Speaker 1: I can prove that this shooter is the same guy
Speaker 1: from from from the Facebook page. Um I'll explain that
Speaker 1: next first short short ad break and then we will
Speaker 1: fit finish up with this actual proving section. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know who is not Kyle? Why? How do you have
Speaker 1: really dropped the ball out all of the transitions today? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I am not proud of myself or my place in
Speaker 1: society at the moment um. Here's ads, We're back. I
Speaker 1: feel terrible Garrison. And So even even though the boogloo
Speaker 1: meme was not hard evidence, uh it did, it did
Speaker 1: provide a lead. So after seeing the meme, I did
Speaker 1: the first most obvious thing that I could see was
Speaker 1: compare the gun in the two frames. Uh they do
Speaker 1: look similar. Uh they're not. They're not identical. Uh the
Speaker 1: optics are different for each rifle um, But the rest
Speaker 1: of it, but the stock, the grip um, and the
Speaker 1: barrel do do seem? Do seem to be? Do seem
Speaker 1: to be, if not, if not identical, at least extremely similar. Again,
Speaker 1: don't lot enough to make a positive idea on an
Speaker 1: individual basis, like this person is this person? So that
Speaker 1: the next step is to scour the actual Facebook account
Speaker 1: itself that is alluded to in this meme and see
Speaker 1: what I can find there, the goal obviously being to
Speaker 1: find statements or pictures that will tie this person in
Speaker 1: the images of the shooter to the person on the account.
Speaker 1: So that's you know, clothing, location, intention, you know, all
Speaker 1: these types of things that could tie the pictures of
Speaker 1: the shooter the pictures of person on on on this account. Um. So.
Speaker 1: Kylera houses old public Facebook profile was mainly made up
Speaker 1: of Blue Lives Matter and pro police images going back
Speaker 1: as far as um with a few uh then recent
Speaker 1: pictures of him holding his Air fifteen style rifle. Uh.
Speaker 1: Those the the rifle pictures were like from June. The
Speaker 1: shooting happened in late August. Um. It appears I think
Speaker 1: it came out in the trial that he got his
Speaker 1: rifle around like may um So, Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of pro police stuff, a
Speaker 1: lot of them blue lining, blue Lives matters type things. Um.
Speaker 1: His public his his public page is real is relatively sparse. Um.
Speaker 1: And there was no public friends list to look through. Um.
Speaker 1: One one noteworthy piece of information was that he did
Speaker 1: he did list another name for himself as Kyle Lewis
Speaker 1: believe his mother's maiden name. But uh. But even so,
Speaker 1: even though I wasn't able to view a friends list
Speaker 1: and there wasn't many public posts. Uh, this is his
Speaker 1: page is by no means a dead end. I could
Speaker 1: still see everyone that has commented on, shared, or liked
Speaker 1: his public posts, because like so, he did not have
Speaker 1: he he did not many have any pictures himself on
Speaker 1: his page that that that I could use for verification.
Speaker 1: He didn't have like not nothing that I could tie
Speaker 1: to the shooting besides the actual guns. So not not
Speaker 1: tons of useful not tons of useful stuff. But there's
Speaker 1: perhaps there's still other other leads to look through, Like
Speaker 1: everyone who's liked, shared, or uh commented on his posts,
Speaker 1: So I opened up new tabs for every single person
Speaker 1: that interacted with Kyle's posts. While looking over their pages,
Speaker 1: I was searching to see if any of them had
Speaker 1: listed Kyle as a relative, with a focus on anyone
Speaker 1: with the last name of written House or Lewis um
Speaker 1: and and you know, ideally was looking forward to see
Speaker 1: if anyone had pictures of Kyle or someone who seems
Speaker 1: to be Kyle. Uh. One post from May eighteen eventually
Speaker 1: eventually proved useful. One comment read, Kyle, you sure do
Speaker 1: look look like a Louis. So there's the alternate last
Speaker 1: name and two people had liked that comment, Kyle himself
Speaker 1: and and UH and someone who is his mom, which
Speaker 1: or would would later find out is his mom. Um. Uh,
Speaker 1: so she said that lived. She said that she lived
Speaker 1: in uh is it anatok Illinois? Probably Antioch, Illinois, which
Speaker 1: matches uh with Kyle's UH Illinois based pro police posts.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of like Chicago blue Lives Matter posts,
Speaker 1: so I assumed that Kyle was from Illinois. And also, um,
Speaker 1: uh Antioch is that you said whatever Antioch to to
Speaker 1: Wiscon's Antioch to Kenosha is only like three minute drive,
Speaker 1: so that is also like okay, that's that's that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty close. That is that is doable. Um so it
Speaker 1: was the next I went. I went through a lot
Speaker 1: of the relatives pages, but I'm gonna focus just on
Speaker 1: the person who I found out who was um Kyle's mom,
Speaker 1: because they're the one that had the most useful information, right.
Speaker 1: A lot of other information I looked through just didn't
Speaker 1: turn out to be useful, right, So I'm not not
Speaker 1: including all of that here. Um uh. One post from
Speaker 1: from uh Wendy's mom UH featured a younger Kyle wearing
Speaker 1: a police outfit. Um, I'm sure people have seen this
Speaker 1: picture online before. I think I was probably I was.
Speaker 1: I was probably the first person to share this photo
Speaker 1: of Kyle in this in this younger Kyle wearing this
Speaker 1: this police this police costume, an unbelievably cringe e photo,
Speaker 1: like either side of the fact that he took two lives,
Speaker 1: Like just yeah, I mean we all have photos we
Speaker 1: took when while an r OTC, Like, so yeah, ideally
Speaker 1: we would we would give there There's actually there's actually
Speaker 1: a lot more of these photos. There's photos of him
Speaker 1: touring so this is this stuff. I also found that
Speaker 1: night photos of him like touring a target with police
Speaker 1: as he's in a police uniform. He was part of
Speaker 1: like a police Young Cadets program. He he was like twelve, Um,
Speaker 1: so that that's where he got this outfit, and he
Speaker 1: like tagged around with police for like a day or something.
Speaker 1: And this photos of him like in a target with police,
Speaker 1: even when I was like a shitty, right winging kid,
Speaker 1: that sounded like a nightmare. So so yeah, so Kyle's
Speaker 1: the person who I figured out was Kyle's mom posted
Speaker 1: this this photo of of her and Kyle, which which
Speaker 1: Kyle liked, and then in another picture of another picture
Speaker 1: from from Kyle's mom, I found, Uh, it's a family
Speaker 1: picture including Kyle wearing what I would say is like
Speaker 1: an army green shirt kind of similar, but it's a
Speaker 1: green shirt like I have. I have shirts that are
Speaker 1: pretty similar to that. I'm not gonna that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be anything so super definitive until we got there's one
Speaker 1: one picture that that proved to be much much more,
Speaker 1: much more useful. Uh, of Kyle on or someone who
Speaker 1: assumed was Kyle. You don't you don't you don't actually
Speaker 1: see his face, but he is wearing horribly cringe e
Speaker 1: American flag crocs, which which Kyle? Which which so and
Speaker 1: and and on. On Kyle's page, there was also pictures
Speaker 1: of him wearing those same crocs, So like, even even
Speaker 1: though I can't see the person's face, the crocs the same,
Speaker 1: probably the same guy. He's also wearing a tan baseball cap. Um,
Speaker 1: and on this I can actually see that it has
Speaker 1: an American flag on the front of the cap, which
Speaker 1: I did not notice on anything else before. So that's,
Speaker 1: you know, that's something different, But again not that that's
Speaker 1: that's not that's not that's not like a red flag.
Speaker 1: That's just you know, a thing to a thing of
Speaker 1: note um because the baseball cap is tan um and
Speaker 1: it has like white mesh on the sides. Um. The one.
Speaker 1: The one thing I did, I did make one post
Speaker 1: before I actually did any kind of I claiming to
Speaker 1: do I identity stuff. I did ask my Twitter followers
Speaker 1: if there's any pictures of the back of the Shooters
Speaker 1: cap um, and I got them to to send me those.
Speaker 1: And then I got one picture of of the back
Speaker 1: that actually has uh. I couldn't see, like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: back of the Shooters cap also has the flag on it,
Speaker 1: so I was able to actually show that. Okay, so
Speaker 1: the baseball cap on the back of it, uh. But
Speaker 1: they're both Tanna based ball caps, they both have white
Speaker 1: men in the side, they both have to have an
Speaker 1: American flag. And then I got another picture that was
Speaker 1: even closer that showed a tear on the brim of
Speaker 1: the hat. And if you zoom in on one of
Speaker 1: the beach pictures, you could also see a tear on
Speaker 1: the same position on the hat. So this is this
Speaker 1: hat is the hat is the same hat? The hat
Speaker 1: was definitely it was definitely in both locations. So at
Speaker 1: this point, based on the gun, based on the hat,
Speaker 1: based on the location being very close to kenosha um
Speaker 1: and being closed on the rough facial similarities, um, there
Speaker 1: was there was enough enough to enough to to um
Speaker 1: enough to put put stuff together to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I I think I think this is this is probably
Speaker 1: this is probably fine in saying I think this is
Speaker 1: probably the dude. UM. So at this point I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Again, I'm not gonna post this immediately and
Speaker 1: and gonna post something by saying this is who it
Speaker 1: is without providing the evidence. So instead of like running
Speaker 1: a thread tweet by tweet, I read the whole thread
Speaker 1: out and then tweet the whole thread at the same time.
Speaker 1: UM so, so I I put to the thread documenting
Speaker 1: my relevant stuff. Um I. I wrote the first eight
Speaker 1: posts the same time and posted them together with all
Speaker 1: the evidence of uploaded um and then and then uh,
Speaker 1: as I was writing the threat, I came across another
Speaker 1: piece of evidence. There was one I was going through
Speaker 1: one of the live streams of of that night from
Speaker 1: a channel called the Rundown Live, which I've not heard
Speaker 1: anything of before or since. Then. UM, but you know
Speaker 1: one of the many streamers that were out UM, and
Speaker 1: you can see you can see Kyle inside the frame
Speaker 1: and then like pans away, but the people are still talking. UM.
Speaker 1: So so Kyle Kyle is actually off camera now, UM,
Speaker 1: but he I think someone like asks him his name
Speaker 1: and he and the person who I think is Kyle
Speaker 1: replies Kyle. Now, of course it's off camera, so it's
Speaker 1: not you can't be totally sure. There's there's enough context
Speaker 1: lose and that plus only other evidence. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is enough to add to the thread because it
Speaker 1: again it's it's not enough proof by itself, but it
Speaker 1: combined with everything else completes a much fuller picture. So
Speaker 1: I posted my like niner yeah like eight or nine
Speaker 1: thing thread on being able to prove its Kyle via
Speaker 1: you know, comparing stuff like the gun, the hat, the shirt,
Speaker 1: and demonstrating my work tracking across Facebook and how it's
Speaker 1: able to like link these two people together. Um. Twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes after I posted the threat identifying Kyle, Kosia
Speaker 1: police adounce that they were that they were starting an
Speaker 1: active investigation. UM. I soon added a court document to
Speaker 1: my thread about a traffic violation by someone named cow
Speaker 1: written House filed a few days before the shooting. The
Speaker 1: traffic violation thing also included stuff like address, which I
Speaker 1: I blacked out the addressed for that just because sharing
Speaker 1: the sharing for reasons I'll soon explain. Because again, if
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a it's a track of violation,
Speaker 1: if people really want it, they can find it themselves,
Speaker 1: right it's it's not making impossible to find it. And
Speaker 1: this was able to confirm it. It was in the
Speaker 1: same location, um antioch Um. And also this this proved
Speaker 1: that Kyle was seventeen at the time. Uh. This is
Speaker 1: how we knew that he was seventeen years old at
Speaker 1: the time of the shooting was because of this traffic
Speaker 1: violation document found online. So the the address on the
Speaker 1: violation document was the same one I had linked to
Speaker 1: Kyle's mom. By doing other like osan address work, I
Speaker 1: was able to find out where what what her address was. UM.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, that was that was most of my
Speaker 1: work that night. Uh. It took about I don't know,
Speaker 1: like too sh maybe you know it. It's hard, it's
Speaker 1: hard to break up. Uh, it's timing it. It took
Speaker 1: about half an hour to get from the boogaloo meme
Speaker 1: to finding the matching baseball cap on Kyle's mom's Facebook page.
Speaker 1: About another half hour to write out the thread, and
Speaker 1: you know, about an hour of work previous to that
Speaker 1: about you know, trying to find out the actual you know,
Speaker 1: footage and categorize it. And Okay, this is the clothing
Speaker 1: he's wearing. Here's the clothes I need, I need to
Speaker 1: look for on social media right see see see see
Speaker 1: if I can find these shoes, these pants, this, this shirt,
Speaker 1: this hat, this bag, that kind of stuff. Um. And
Speaker 1: I was able to find enough of those items to
Speaker 1: make it pretty pretty clear that it was it was,
Speaker 1: you know linked um. And that makes you, Garrison, one
Speaker 1: of the first people in the world to get to
Speaker 1: no way more about kyle rittenhouse than you ever wanted
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, a lot more. This nightmare has been
Speaker 1: going on longer for you. Yeah, and so, and I
Speaker 1: want to know a few of the ways to do
Speaker 1: image verifications specifically on Kyle that that I didn't do,
Speaker 1: but other people did after after I after I said, hey,
Speaker 1: this is part of the guy. So afterwards people found
Speaker 1: other kind of evidence on Kyle's TikTok um and snapchat
Speaker 1: So it turns out Kyle was snapchatting his night in Wisconsin, um,
Speaker 1: which we would find out later, So he was that
Speaker 1: he was snapchatting from kenosha Um and Garrison. First off,
Speaker 1: I do feel as the representative of zoomers in in
Speaker 1: this call. Wait, why are you Why are you guys
Speaker 1: all using the snapchats? Huh, I don't use I don't
Speaker 1: use the snapchats. Um. Well, I'm making you answer for
Speaker 1: the crimes of your generation, the crimes like the snap Now, well,
Speaker 1: technically speaking, I have one friend who I only talked
Speaker 1: to you through Snapchat, and we both only use it
Speaker 1: for that and we don't know why we use snapchat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a few people who are like snapchat, people who
Speaker 1: only text or snapchat, and I don't. I don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: except neither of us are like that. We just specifically
Speaker 1: there got signal anyway, So yeah, the Snapchat. There's also
Speaker 1: uh TikTok Um. There was a footage of of Kyle
Speaker 1: att thing a Trump rally at TikTok Also him like
Speaker 1: assembling and testing out his gun was on a Snapchat.
Speaker 1: I believe eclipse that it were also shared on TikTok
Speaker 1: So I could have got a lot more closer details
Speaker 1: of the gun if if I looked on if if
Speaker 1: on Snapchat or or TikTok um, and I think, if
Speaker 1: this is this is a good advice that I've taken
Speaker 1: since then, and for other people looking to do this stuff.
Speaker 1: If if a suspect looks as young, um, you know,
Speaker 1: Snapchat and TikTok might be, or and and Instagram might
Speaker 1: be apps that are worth are worth checking out for
Speaker 1: information as opposed to like Facebook. Right, lucky, lucky enough,
Speaker 1: there was enough stuff on Facebook on this instance, typically
Speaker 1: probably because No, Kyle's family was conservative so and he
Speaker 1: was conservative, so higher chance of being on Facebook there.
Speaker 1: But you know, in general, if someone's younger and maybe
Speaker 1: look on younger apps. Um. But yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: good thing to think about. You know. Whenever these like
Speaker 1: chaotic Panis moments happen, you know, misifforation can spread very
Speaker 1: very quickly. Um. Cannot stress enough how dangerous and irresponsible
Speaker 1: it is when a suspect is named without proper verification. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. Last last September, uh Ian Miles Chung
Speaker 1: falsely identified a suspect in the shooting of two l
Speaker 1: A police officers This resulted in the falsely accused got
Speaker 1: a man and receiving many death threats online. I think emails.
Speaker 1: Chalnging did this like again a few months later. He
Speaker 1: was doing this a lot. Last year he was doing it.
Speaker 1: He was really bad about trying to identify people. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, doing solid solid arification work is possible,
Speaker 1: but extreme caution needs to be taken. Um. I need
Speaker 1: to be very mindful of the consequences of your actions
Speaker 1: when when you're doing this work. I also want to
Speaker 1: put out Garrison is very good at this. That's that's
Speaker 1: why it took two hours and a half hours. It's
Speaker 1: going to take it takes a lot longer. Yeah, Like honestly,
Speaker 1: like I was surprised like it. Finding Kyle was just
Speaker 1: the right mix of things in one moment. Often it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Often it doesn't go that fast, and it doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be right like a big big The problem is
Speaker 1: that if people think about it needing to be like
Speaker 1: a fast paced thing, that's where that that's where the
Speaker 1: mistakes happen. I was just lucky to have enough like
Speaker 1: dominoes fall in the right place too. I identify how
Speaker 1: the night of having having his neighbor say, hey, this
Speaker 1: guy looks similar to my neighbor. Extremely useful in in
Speaker 1: in in the long run, right like that that happened
Speaker 1: faster than that happens in a lot of cases, and
Speaker 1: so not really accelerated things. Sometimes it will be easy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes like a good example of when it's harder. We
Speaker 1: have a decent amount of footage about the individual who
Speaker 1: placed bombs outside of the capital bombing before the sixth um.
Speaker 1: That person has not been identified and the FBI seems
Speaker 1: to have no goddamn clue. But also what they were
Speaker 1: way more intentional, and they're very smart whoever they are,
Speaker 1: They're very capable. They were. The only things that have
Speaker 1: on them is their shoes, basically those are those are
Speaker 1: kind of the polls of this right on one. Like
Speaker 1: that with with Rittenhouse, you've got this situation where it's
Speaker 1: like all of the information you need to identify them
Speaker 1: is there openly online um. And part of ops sex
Speaker 1: if you're doing things that are crimes um is to
Speaker 1: make sure that is to limit that that that whatever
Speaker 1: it is you are going to to the to the
Speaker 1: crimes in um. There nothing exists on the internet that
Speaker 1: connects that to your name and face and that that
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't always mean black block. That can mean
Speaker 1: other clothing, especially if you've been photographed in black block
Speaker 1: a book. I think like if you look at if
Speaker 1: you look at, um, the guy who dropped off bombs
Speaker 1: a January six, he's not wearing black block because black
Speaker 1: block draws attention. He's wearing like grays. He's he's wearing
Speaker 1: like that guy that well, that individual person is either
Speaker 1: a former FED or former Special Forces. They were very capable,
Speaker 1: leaning towards FED who showed up in clothing they had
Speaker 1: never weren't worn before and paid for used in cash,
Speaker 1: probably from a variety of places. Um. That clothing was
Speaker 1: burned as soon as they got away. They were out
Speaker 1: of the state as early as it was possible to
Speaker 1: do so, plant them and then immediately get out like um,
Speaker 1: and you know, by the time the capitol, right by
Speaker 1: the time their bombs had been found, they were they
Speaker 1: were if they were smartly gone, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: how anyway whatever, like like oftentimes it can be if
Speaker 1: someone knows what they're doing this this process can be
Speaker 1: a lot harder, like in the case of the people
Speaker 1: of of the guy who left the bombs at the capitol. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, Kyle it was not you know, wasn't wearing
Speaker 1: much identified clothing, wasn't even wearing a mask because COVID
Speaker 1: was for cox UM. So you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of these things that that made this process, um, you know,
Speaker 1: easier than a lot of a lot of other verifications.
Speaker 1: But like I said, there still was a lot of
Speaker 1: false ideas going around that night, um, and so it
Speaker 1: kind of still happens. I'm kind of on the fence
Speaker 1: myself as to whether or not it would have been
Speaker 1: safer like for our country or the society or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it if, um like, how much
Speaker 1: more damage or less damage would have been done if
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse had been someone who showed up in impact
Speaker 1: couple like clothing that he could not be identified from
Speaker 1: fucking ran off and was never caught and we just
Speaker 1: knew there was the shooting of protesters in Kenosha um
Speaker 1: by somebody. UM Like, I don't know how much better
Speaker 1: or worse that is for society if that happens. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm thinking about terrible things. But sorry, but
Speaker 1: first off, I want to apologize. Sometimes talking about this
Speaker 1: stuff winds up seeming like advice for how to commit crimes.
Speaker 1: That's not the intent. It's just when you talk about
Speaker 1: what makes something difficult to identify, your kind of by
Speaker 1: default talking about like here's how to here's how to
Speaker 1: get commit a crime and get away with it. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's the kind of thing like if you're doing
Speaker 1: verification work, one of the things that helps is to
Speaker 1: kind of put yourself in the mindset of somebody who, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm in this situation and I do this, um,
Speaker 1: what are the decisions that I might make afterwards? Um?
Speaker 1: And you can kind of try to, uh think through
Speaker 1: this person. Like it can be helpful, especially if you're
Speaker 1: trying to like track someone through a day. So you know,
Speaker 1: someone was at this point at a protest at X
Speaker 1: hour because they shot somebody. Um, you know, think through, Okay,
Speaker 1: what else happened that day? Where their other protests, where
Speaker 1: their other gatherings, like or is this one in a
Speaker 1: series of events? Can I go look for, you know,
Speaker 1: videos from other things in the area that this person
Speaker 1: might have also been at and might have warned the
Speaker 1: same clothing? Um, there's anyway Image verification is fun. Catch
Speaker 1: the fever. It is it is a fun thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's good to if if if you're not able to
Speaker 1: attend in person demos for like like physical reasons or whatever,
Speaker 1: or like mental reasons, doing the stuff from home is
Speaker 1: is another way of getting involved, especially already out tracking
Speaker 1: down bad people after they after they do bad things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can, you know, if you want to learn
Speaker 1: more about this with you know the benefit of also
Speaker 1: visual aids um belling Cat has if you just type
Speaker 1: image verification belling Cat. There's beginners and advanced guides to verification. Um.
Speaker 1: There's talk about like manual reverse image search tools and
Speaker 1: like how well they work. There's quizzes, so go go
Speaker 1: there if you if you find this interesting, Um, it
Speaker 1: can be quite a hoot. Um. But you know what
Speaker 1: else is quite a hoot Ending a goddamn podcast, which
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