WEBVTT - Open Source Verification 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:10.440 Hey, every buddy America, Hey Americans America, How is American? 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.680 That is the podcast? And that was that was a 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.520 horrible issue. That was maybe your talk ten worst This 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.720 is it could happen here a podcast where an incompetent 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.120 Rube Fox up starting the show and then we talk 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.720 about how things are falling apart or how to make 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.080 things not fall apart, or some version of things in 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:40.199 between those two facts. Yep, yep. That's a kind of 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.000 kind of not great time going on right now. A 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.479 lot of people are that was our second. That was 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.600 our b pitch for the name. Kind not a great 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.280 time going on right now. Actually not that far from 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:59.480 what was the say. Yeah, I mean it's like, especially 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.120 especially right now, there's there's a lot of a lot 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.319 of trials going on, m feet on stuff, and the 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.440 mud are very trial is happening, the one about you know, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.080 Unit Unite the Right is going on, and of course 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.200 the kindn't his trial as of as of recording is um. People, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.560 the jury is still in deliberation. Um, So no idea 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.800 what's going to be the result. By the time this episode, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.319 I've actually been like not commenting on it or neither 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.040 to think about it. There's nothing we can do about it. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.280 There is nothing you can do. And like a lot 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.000 of people, there's been discussion about how much civil unrest 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.880 there's going to be depending on the result of the trial. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.200 I know there's been a lot of like National guards 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.000 sent to Wisconsin. It's been you know, FBI door Knox 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.600 and activists tombs trying to scare people so they don't 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.200 you know, go out and ride or whatever. Discussion online, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.200 the people you know, planning protests in response to in 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.040 response to whatever the result is. Um. I know just 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.760 today there was a post from I think the Ohio 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.280 Proud Boys claiming that they we sending like like, uh, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.600 was it hundreds or thousands of like people armed with 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.520 like a RS to Wisconsin or Yeah, there's there's a 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.680 fucking post. People are saying, like you should take it 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.760 seriously because it's from a Proud Boys internal chat and 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.600 it's like we've got three hundred guys heavily armed heading 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.480 to and there's already X number of guys there, and 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.440 we're gonna kill a lot more communists than Kyle Rittenhouse did. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.440 And YadA, YadA, YadA, And if I could give you 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.040 one piece of advice now, and who knows where the 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.960 world is at the point of which this episode drops. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.720 It's when people talk about say when if you are 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.320 at a protest and someone starts talking about the Proud 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.200 Boys and the Proud Boys are coming or the Proud 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.960 Boys are here, if you don't immediately see uncontrovertible visual 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.680 proof that they have access to showing it, assume it's nonsense. Okay, Yeah, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.840 that is my advice as someone who has heard a 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.200 thousand times people say versions of the Proud Boys are coming. Okay, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.120 insist on evidence or ignore it. But you know, whenever, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.280 whenever these big will you know, unrests and types of 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.480 stuff happens, there's always an increased chance that there will 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.680 be some kind of protest related shooting. Especially people are 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.800 definitely absolutely may have happened by the time this episode drops. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.840 Especially people are bringing guns. People people bring firearms under 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.760 There's been a lot of there's you know, for the 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.240 demonstrations outside the courthouse, there's been you know, guns there. Um, 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.119 there's been you know, an increasing uh in the rate 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.320 of shootings at protests on the West Coast throughout the 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.360 past few months. Um, So I'm gonna be kind of 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.960 talking about you know some things that you can do 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.240 if you're at home and you feel competent enough in 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.360 the aftermath of one of one of these shootings. You know, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.440 if if if you know, if a proud boy does 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.040 bring a bring a gun and shoot somebody at what 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.480 you can actually do if video, if you're in a 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.119 situation where you've been following something happening all day, there's 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.320 a shooting and like low quality footage starts coming out 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.160 of somebody killing someone or someone's else, here's what to 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.520 do next if you want to maybe be a positive 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.000 part of of that, of that process, well not of 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.840 that process, but of like the aftermath of it, you know. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.640 And and because because the universe is cruel. I I 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.479 originally wrote this road right up about the written house shooting. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:21.039 Um because the universe is a cruel place and it's gonna, 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.160 you know, continue to This particular incident is going to 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.440 continue to be impactful. Even though it's not the first, 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.560 it's not gonna be the last one of these. It 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.480 is still impactful because of how much of a symbol 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.279 has been turned into So I think a lot of 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.160 people forget about how how chaotic the night on the 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.560 Internet was. The day of the Kenosha shooting. UM, like 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.520 it was. It was wild being online as that was 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.839 going on. Uh. No, one had no idea what was 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.320 going on. People could not agree on who the shooter 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.320 was beforehand. There was a lot of pictures floating around. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.560 It was, it was, it was. It was a nightmare. Uh. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.840 We know, we knew that people were shot, we couldn't 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.960 know how many or who. Like, it was was pretty 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.719 bad and chaotic. And it is always that way in 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.880 the wake of a shooting. UM. And it is the 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.040 in any given shooting. Always keep in mind when you're 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.800 when you're online or in person and there has been 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.760 a shooting and people are saying things about said shooting 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.680 other than we should take cover from the shooting. If 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.919 they're saying anything else about it, um, you have to 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.000 assume they're probably not either wrong or not entirely accurate. UM, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.600 because it's hard to be. It happens constantly. I mean, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.680 that's not it's something against any of them. I can 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.240 remember a moment when you and I were out last 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.400 year Garrison and there was a shooting I don't know, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.279 like forty ft away. Um. Nobody hurt, thankfully, but like 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.040 the the immediate report from it was some guy had 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.560 gotten pulled an a R fifteen out of his car 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.839 and uh, and I think the thing I said to 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.000 you was I'll bet you right now it's a nine 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.880 millimeter handgun. And sure enough, within minutes there was a photo. Yeah. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.440 It's and it's not that those people were like dumb 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.760 or bad. It's that, like shootings are scary, guns getting 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.560 pulled is scary, and people funk up um in in 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.880 their recollections. Um. It's the same way in which, like 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.920 if a bear comes after you, uh, you may exaggerate 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.960 the size of that bear in your head because you're 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.240 scared as ship because it's a bear. So So I 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.839 was home on August um just and I I was, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.000 I was. I was actually about to go out to 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.479 to uh cover a purchase in Portland, but then I 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.599 saw this happened on my phone on Twitter. I was like, 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.679 I cannot go out. I will be more useful at home. Um. So, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.720 with with so much uncertainty online or the details of 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.120 the actual shooting it was, it was clear that trying 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.120 to provide concrete information would be crucial in the hours 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.800 to come. So I spowed it up my computer and 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.320 started to try to begin to search for you know, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.200 information and verifiable stuff. Um. So I spent I spent 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.400 all night looking looking for details about the shooter, you know, um, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:07:00.000 uncovering his supposed identity. Um. Ultimately, about an hour before 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.480 or the police announced their investigation even started. Um and 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.599 and twelve hours before the police announced the shooters arrest 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.040 um and also to my surprise at the time, I 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:16.000 discovered that the shooter was the same age as me. Um. Yeah, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.600 that was that. That was That was a night so 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.040 um Because because I mean only use Twitter, and most 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.680 of the video of the instant was on Twitter, I started, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.120 uh my my investigation by looking at Twitter. Uh. My 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.080 first goal was to find as as many videos of 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.240 of the shooting that I could, and collect pictures of 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.720 all of the alleged suspects, all all the people who 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.680 were claiming, hey, this is this is this is the shooter. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:40.960 I think I think I got a picture of the shooter. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.960 Who's here's what he is. Um so. I I kept 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.480 my eye on trending terms, so I searched under the 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:53.520 hashtags like Kenosha, Kenosha shootings, Kanosha shooting, Kenosha protests, Boogaloo 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.880 was trending a lot. A lot of people thought the 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.680 shooter was a boogaloo boy. Um was not um and 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.520 also so U hashtag militia. So the search has brought 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.120 up a lot, a lot of photos of of multiple 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.120 young men, most of whom were carrying long guns, and 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.200 a lot of unconfirmed reports that the shooter was a 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.440 boogaloo boy was trending on Twitter. This was the main 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.760 the main thing that night was boogloo boy shot. All 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.440 this stuff that that was the main the main trending topic. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.400 A lot of a lot of conflicting details, and I 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.320 did not want to kind of add the misinformation, so 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.440 I decided to not make any posts but whatsoever about 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.600 the identity of the shooter until I was one pcent 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.080 confident um that I had the correct idea, which takes 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.520 a while. It's it's not you know, Twitter wants you 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.520 to post stuff quickly as soon as you find it out, 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.679 and it's way better to hold off your information and 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.280 wait until you were absolutely sure it's the right time 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.960 to post it. And because it's correct, correct stuff, because 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.440 miss mismisidentifying a suspect, you can have a serious, serious 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:55.800 consequences for any individual UM involved. It's when the worst 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.800 things you can do is is mis misidentify any any suspect. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.320 So I was looking through all the videos that I 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.160 collected for kind of unique um or identifying clothing that 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.640 that the shooter may have been wearing. The first video 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.920 I found useful was from a right wing videographer named 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:16.760 Drew hernandez Um who a few months later called from 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.839 bloodshed at the Capitol. He also testified at the Written 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.680 House trial. This video did not actually show any any 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.840 actual shooting. It had a wounded person on the ground 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.880 being treated by a medic, and a man standing over 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.240 the scene with with with a gun, um and wearing 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.360 a green shirt, a tan baseball cat jeans, and like 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.440 purple latex gloves. He had he had a he had 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.959 he had a black and orange bag um. The person 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.200 on the green shirt then runs towards the camera while 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.400 talking on the phone, and he says into the phone, UM, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.679 I just shot somebody or I just killed somebody. It's 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.360 hard to tell where he's actually saying if it's it's 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:53.720 one of those things where if you think about it, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.480 you can hear both ones. But but he he says 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.120 something like I just killed somebody on the phone and 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.600 he runs past the camera. So this this this, this 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.080 was the first kind of really important piece of information 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.600 personal that was brought up in the trial too, and 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.040 he he was like, I don't remember what I said. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.720 Oh interesting, okay, Yeah, And to be honest, like, even 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.040 if if this was I don't think any of us 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.040 believe this was legitimate self defense. But like, even if 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.400 it was, either of those things would be perfectly acceptable 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:29.240 things to say. It's a surprising moment, and you probably 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.679 wouldn't remember what you said. I don't necessarily think he's 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.640 lying about that. It turns out he he was. He 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.600 was on the phone with the person who bought him 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.640 the gun of a friend of his. Um So, but 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.600 but that this was my first important piece of information, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.559 you know, the the night of right. This is before 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.560 anyone's analyzed any of this stuff. So this is the 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.680 first video that I can find. Its like, Okay, here's 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.839 a person admitting on camera that they shot somebody. Um 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.240 and we're wearing a few potential identifiers, namely the green shirt, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.200 baseball cap, and bag. Um. So, now I could search 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.160 for all of those items together and the rest of 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.800 the footage collected throughout the night looking over the top 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.839 viral videos of the night showing multiple people getting shot. Uh, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.520 this is from This is from later on, after the 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.040 first person gets killed, we can see someone in a 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.000 baseball cap, black and raunch bag and what could be 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.720 a green shirt running through a street. Um. Somebody runs 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.520 over to the individual with the gun and kind of 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.760 punches them in the head, not knocking his hat off. 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.200 So now the person running with the gun does not 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.440 have a hat. Individual with the gun he keeps running, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.880 but trips and falls on the ground before people try 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.120 to disarm him. Four more shots are fired from the 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.880 suspect and uh what one more person dies as a 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.800 result of this. Other person gets their arm nearly blown off. Uh. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.480 There is one continuous video of all of this happening. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:53.160 Extremely useful having having one video of this whole shot. Yeah. Um, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.560 so the shooter, who appears to be the same person 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.760 is the other video because of the green shirt and 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.280 the hat at the beginning, continues to get onto his 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.360 feet and runs off again. Uh. And the orange orangine 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.800 orangine a black bag swings in front of him as 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.520 he's running, and a purple glove is also visible. UM. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:17.040 Multiple vehicles drive past, like police vehicles. UM. The shooter 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.120 then walks up pretty close to police vehicle and he 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.720 just he just he just with with with the rifle 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.480 and nothing, nothing happens. He he like he wait, he 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.600 waves to the cops and they just keep driving and 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.600 he walks away. So after finding watching these videos, I had, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.240 you know, I had no reason to believe the shooter 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.199 was in custody, um, and I had a good idea 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.280 of his clothing and attire. So now it's time to 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.720 you know, compare this information that I gathered, uh two 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.000 pictures of the supposed you know, suspects circulating on Twitter. Um. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.080 But but first I think, uh, now it's it's the 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:53.040 time to listen to people selling new stuff. You know, 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:58.400 who doesn't oh boy trampled to another state to show 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.959 up armed in a community to threatened people. They don't 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:07.560 do it. I'm saying they don't. 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So there 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.560 was there was a lot of pictures of suspects on Twitter, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.600 some of them who look nothing like the person we 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.360 now know who shot those people. Um, funny how that happens. It's, uh, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:15.400 well it's not funny. It's it's pretty pretty, pretty pretty bad. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.000 it's it's not great just to share stuff like like 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.000 that when these things happened. Um, which is why I 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.480 said I'm not gonna share anything until no. Um I 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.040 know that it's it's it's actually worth posting about. So 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.840 in uh, I'm gonna go through go through some some 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.960 some of the pictures and stuff of of I'm going 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.640 through at least one of the pictures of one of 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.080 the people people claimed to be the shooter. So in 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.480 one picture circulating you see someone in a green shirt, 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.760 a baseball cap, and big, big, big black rifle. But 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.120 this man's also wearing shorts of a black hat, not 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.480 a tan one, has no bag, appears to be wearing 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.440 like a tactile vest that is also green. So not 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.800 the guy. Even though he's wearing a green shirt and hat. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.680 Not the same dude. Was be pretty easy to check. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.280 Not you don't. You really don't need to share that 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.560 kind of stuff. Pretty sure, Pretty sure a lot of 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.880 people own green shirts. Yea. So two other photos that 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.640 were circulating, they're claiming to be the guy. We had 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.680 a green shirt, a tan baseball cap put on backwards, 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.720 jeans um one of the One of the pictures has 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.160 a bag in front of which is an orange and 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.880 black one, where one of them doesn't. One picture has 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.960 h purple gloves of the picture doesn't. But these dudes 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.600 look pretty similar despite the same differences. I'm pretty sure 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.360 this is this, this is this, This is the same guy. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:35.920 But you know, I'm a decision at the night, so 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.640 this is probably the same dude. Um. And he does 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.280 appear to match the shooter a lot better, and there 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.160 was a few few clear fixed pictures of his face 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.560 um here, But honestly, the face of if if you 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.640 look at all the pictures of the Connection shooting that night, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.760 the pictures of the suspect are really unclear because the 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.920 way that the light hit his face, he looks like 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.600 an incredibly generic white boy. Um like extremely generic. It 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.520 is hard to tell any any I identifying features from 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.360 his face because they look like he looks like every 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.360 every white every white boy. It's really hard to say 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.040 everyone you went to high school with, who I don't 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:21.440 know sniffed a girl's chair when he likes that's that's 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.680 Kyle rittenhouse visual. Now that I decided that I have, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.680 like I have a decent collection of pictures of who 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.600 I believe the actual actual suspect, is time time time 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.720 to figure out who the suspects like name actually is 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.320 and this is This is one of the one of 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.480 the harder things. But often you can have a lot 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:43.240 of help in ways that you might not expect. Um Often, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.640 once you can get a good picture of someone you know, 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.920 it'd be like, yes, yes, this this is actually the dude. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.000 Once it gets shared enough, often somebody knows who this 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.480 is already. You know, the internet is a pretty big place. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.440 I believe. The first I believe the first person to 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.080 actually like like I was the I was the person 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.120 to like prove online who who k written that kind 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:03.960 of right knows was the shooter. The first person to 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.240 actually tie Kyle's name to the shooter UM was a 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:13.600 neighbor of his on Facebook. Um. They they saw pictures 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.840 of the shooter on on Facebook and said, Hey, I 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.080 think this I think I recognized this guy. I think 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.320 I think this is my neighbor. UM. So often once 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.320 you started, once you have like enough pictures and those 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.120 can spread, people will feel to find names. It isn't 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.320 as hard as you would think that. The hard part 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.480 is is finding out what personal connections are making those 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.720 links and finding out where where where those are. But stuff, 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.160 stuff spreads in a weird way and right for this, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.399 you know, I find I was able to prove that 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.000 it was Kyle pretty quickly. Um for a few reasons. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.600 So after I was doing my my my clothing comparisons 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.240 to figure out this is to prove, like he said, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.600 this is the actual person who who did these things? UM. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.520 The other thing I I found that was not it 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.800 was not viral at all, UM, but just because I 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:06.120 was digging through so much stuff, was this meme shared 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:12.480 by uh I by some like small Boogaloo account. Um, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.720 it was a picture of the shooter. UH compare right 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.679 beside a collection of Blue Lives Matter pictures of someone 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.800 who looks kind of similar, linking to a Facebook page 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.720 or not not linking it was it was it was 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.040 screenshot from the Facebook page. And I can tell because 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.040 of the font. And it was, like I said, like 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.919 a written houses photos. So this was the first This 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.040 is the first thing I saw on the like buried 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.920 deep inside like Twitter's, Twitter's, Twitter's images. But by using 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.720 all of like these a hashtag terms was this meme 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.760 and and and and then the meme said, so y'all 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.480 think he's still a boogaloo. No, no, he wasn't. But 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.640 because because of all of the pro police stuff, because 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:58.680 boogle is generally are not not that fon fond of police. Yeah. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.840 So so yeah, um, given given. So you know, if 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.080 someone was to look at this, you know, look at 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.760 this meme itself, it's like, okay, you know the job 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.480 was done, you know, information this dude looks vaguely similar 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:18.000 ish to the guy on this written house Facebook. Um, 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.040 the gun looks kind of similar because one of the 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.199 pictures of the Facebook was was a guy holding was 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.639 a guy holding in a r um. But you know, 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.120 just something looking similar or even holding a similar gun 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.920 in one picture from a Facebook account. That's not enough 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.000 to be sure about publishing a positive I d that 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.000 there's's there's there's no actual really, there's no like definitive 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.520 proof there because honestly, if I was to look at 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.840 these two guys faces, they don't look incredibly similar because 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.800 faces can distort it with lighting and compression that it's it's, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.520 it's it's. It can be really difficult. And this is 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.640 where you know, trying to ide a shooter is hard 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.120 and requires complex judgment calls and posting an accurate information 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.640 or like incomplete information um can have you know, extremely 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.320 harm effects. And there's there's a lot a lot of 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.119 examples of this happening in the past. You know, probably 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.639 the biggest example or the most notorious one of false 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.119 identification is the Boston bombing incident. UM. So, you know, 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.160 right after the right after thirteen bombing, you know, thousands 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.680 of users on sites like Reddit and four chan became 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.399 combing through footage to try to identify potential suspects. Screen 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.840 caps of the people they deemed suspicious went viral online 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.760 on on various social media sites. Unfortunately, the slew thing 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.800 work done on four Chuan and Reddit was incredibly shoddy 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:33.959 UM and seemingly had way more to do with like 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:38.000 racial paranoia than actual detective work and evidence gathering. The 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.600 New York Post subsequently published a picture on front page 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.840 that that originated on Reddit that users had declared that 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.160 that was showing the two suspects with without doing any 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.920 further verification. So it's it's it's real bad how stuff 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.159 can spread from Reddit like this that's completely unverified to 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.280 you know, a newspaper, even as one as unreputable as 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.480 the Post that's still a very popular paper. The Post 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.320 also claimed that the law enforcement we're looking for those 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:09.560 two too, uh two individuals in that picture. UM. One 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.600 of the one of the people identified by the post 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.480 was harassed online. UM police police later told him just 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.159 to delete his social media accounts entirely because there was 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.240 no use at that point. UM. When the FBI did 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.080 officially release photos of the unnamed suspects, Reddit users again 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.840 the false he identified these people. What One of the 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.520 people they false he identified went went missing for weeks Priorum. 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.240 His his family received media inquiries about the false, unverified 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.840 rumors of their son's involvement. UM, and rumors of of 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.240 of involvement were spread by reporters from Politico News, Squeak Newsweek, 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.200 NBC News, and BuzzFeed. UM. Eight days after the bombing, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.080 this guy was actually eight of the bombing. This guy 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:51.960