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Speaker 1: And YadA, YadA, YadA, And if I could give you

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Speaker 1: It's when people talk about say when if you are

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429
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: like you want to get it out fast so you're

430
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: the first person to do it, so that you know

431
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: you can go vital on your thread of identifying this killer,

432
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: And like, no, that's not the reason to do image verification.

433
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: It's not to go viral on a thread. It's because

434
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: whenever that's your goal you're gonna do, you're gonna do

435
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: shitty fast work that is gonna end up causing some

436
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: kind of horrible consequence, like in the case the Boston bombing.

437
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: And to be even extra clear, the primary use for

438
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: this that kind of what you're teaching people image verification,

439
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: which is something that like like Belling Cat, which is

440
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: has been like kind of a part time employer of mine.

441
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: UM is an open source journalism collective that's broken some

442
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: of the biggest stories in the last couple of years.

443
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: And in the classes, we teach a class on image verification.

444
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: And the point is just whenever someone is airing a

445
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: piece of what is like supposedly breaking news based on

446
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: video or images that have been taken at the side

447
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: of a whatever, image verification tactics can help you to

448
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: know whether or not it's whether or not either it's

449
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: true or false, but also just whether or not the

450
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: image the information they're presenting gives you any reason to

451
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: believe it, Like it's you might be full of shit,

452
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: Like that's super important. Yeah, Like there's there's a thing

453
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: that happens like and any time there's something that looks

454
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: like a war starting, there's like this video of a

455
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: bombing from two thousand fourteen in Gaza that goes around. Yeah,

456
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: it's like every time. Yeah, um, there's there's actually five

457
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: or six different kinds of things that are like that Chris,

458
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: that are like, oh, this is there's actually footage from

459
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: like a Russian video game that people keep keeps getting

460
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: like mistaken for action combat footage, and it's like, no,

461
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: it's fucking from a video game. This has been on,

462
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: this has been three Wars. Now, there's this famous footage

463
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: of like a fucking um an air soft battle at

464
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: night with glowing with the glowing pellets and it it

465
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of looks because it's black and

466
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: white and not a great camera, it kind of looks

467
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: like tracer fire. And it's there's like three Wars that

468
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: people have said like, look, this is still combat footage

469
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: from It happens all the time. And again grant account

470
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: to follow is a hoax I On Twitter, they do

471
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: really good work pointing out just like kind of more

472
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: like more like less high stakes kind of image image

473
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: verification stuff. Um So, but before I get into the

474
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: actual like verification work of like proving, hey, I can

475
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: actually prove that that by by not just someone's face,

476
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I can prove that this shooter is the same guy

477
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: from from from the Facebook page. Um I'll explain that

478
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: next first short short ad break and then we will

479
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: fit finish up with this actual proving section. Yeah, you

480
00:25:50,760 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: know who is not Kyle? Why? How do you have

481
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: really dropped the ball out all of the transitions today? Yeah?

482
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 1: I am not proud of myself or my place in

483
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: society at the moment um. Here's ads, We're back. I

484
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: feel terrible Garrison. And So even even though the boogloo

485
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: meme was not hard evidence, uh it did, it did

486
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: provide a lead. So after seeing the meme, I did

487
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: the first most obvious thing that I could see was

488
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: compare the gun in the two frames. Uh they do

489
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: look similar. Uh they're not. They're not identical. Uh the

490
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: optics are different for each rifle um, But the rest

491
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: of it, but the stock, the grip um, and the

492
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: barrel do do seem? Do seem to be? Do seem

493
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: to be, if not, if not identical, at least extremely similar. Again,

494
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: don't lot enough to make a positive idea on an

495
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: individual basis, like this person is this person? So that

496
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: the next step is to scour the actual Facebook account

497
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: itself that is alluded to in this meme and see

498
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: what I can find there, the goal obviously being to

499
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: find statements or pictures that will tie this person in

500
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: the images of the shooter to the person on the account.

501
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: So that's you know, clothing, location, intention, you know, all

502
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: these types of things that could tie the pictures of

503
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: the shooter the pictures of person on on on this account. Um. So.

504
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Kylera houses old public Facebook profile was mainly made up

505
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: of Blue Lives Matter and pro police images going back

506
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: as far as um with a few uh then recent

507
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: pictures of him holding his Air fifteen style rifle. Uh.

508
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Those the the rifle pictures were like from June. The

509
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: shooting happened in late August. Um. It appears I think

510
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: it came out in the trial that he got his

511
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: rifle around like may um So, Yeah, a lot of

512
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of pro police stuff, a

513
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: lot of them blue lining, blue Lives matters type things. Um.

514
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: His public his his public page is real is relatively sparse. Um.

515
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: And there was no public friends list to look through. Um.

516
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: One one noteworthy piece of information was that he did

517
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: he did list another name for himself as Kyle Lewis

518
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: believe his mother's maiden name. But uh. But even so,

519
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: even though I wasn't able to view a friends list

520
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: and there wasn't many public posts. Uh, this is his

521
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: page is by no means a dead end. I could

522
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: still see everyone that has commented on, shared, or liked

523
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: his public posts, because like so, he did not have

524
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: he he did not many have any pictures himself on

525
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: his page that that that I could use for verification.

526
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: He didn't have like not nothing that I could tie

527
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: to the shooting besides the actual guns. So not not

528
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: tons of useful not tons of useful stuff. But there's

529
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: perhaps there's still other other leads to look through, Like

530
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: everyone who's liked, shared, or uh commented on his posts,

531
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: So I opened up new tabs for every single person

532
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: that interacted with Kyle's posts. While looking over their pages,

533
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I was searching to see if any of them had

534
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: listed Kyle as a relative, with a focus on anyone

535
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: with the last name of written House or Lewis um

536
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: and and you know, ideally was looking forward to see

537
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: if anyone had pictures of Kyle or someone who seems

538
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: to be Kyle. Uh. One post from May eighteen eventually

539
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: eventually proved useful. One comment read, Kyle, you sure do

540
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: look look like a Louis. So there's the alternate last

541
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: name and two people had liked that comment, Kyle himself

542
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: and and UH and someone who is his mom, which

543
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: or would would later find out is his mom. Um. Uh,

544
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: so she said that lived. She said that she lived

545
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: in uh is it anatok Illinois? Probably Antioch, Illinois, which

546
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: matches uh with Kyle's UH Illinois based pro police posts.

547
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: He made a lot of like Chicago blue Lives Matter posts,

548
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: so I assumed that Kyle was from Illinois. And also, um,

549
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: uh Antioch is that you said whatever Antioch to to

550
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: Wiscon's Antioch to Kenosha is only like three minute drive,

551
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: so that is also like okay, that's that's that's that's

552
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: pretty close. That is that is doable. Um so it

553
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: was the next I went. I went through a lot

554
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: of the relatives pages, but I'm gonna focus just on

555
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: the person who I found out who was um Kyle's mom,

556
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: because they're the one that had the most useful information, right.

557
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: A lot of other information I looked through just didn't

558
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: turn out to be useful, right, So I'm not not

559
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: including all of that here. Um uh. One post from

560
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: from uh Wendy's mom UH featured a younger Kyle wearing

561
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: a police outfit. Um, I'm sure people have seen this

562
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: picture online before. I think I was probably I was.

563
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: I was probably the first person to share this photo

564
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: of Kyle in this in this younger Kyle wearing this

565
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: this police this police costume, an unbelievably cringe e photo,

566
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: like either side of the fact that he took two lives,

567
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Like just yeah, I mean we all have photos we

568
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: took when while an r OTC, Like, so yeah, ideally

569
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: we would we would give there There's actually there's actually

570
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: a lot more of these photos. There's photos of him

571
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: touring so this is this stuff. I also found that

572
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: night photos of him like touring a target with police

573
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: as he's in a police uniform. He was part of

574
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: like a police Young Cadets program. He he was like twelve, Um,

575
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: so that that's where he got this outfit, and he

576
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: like tagged around with police for like a day or something.

577
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: And this photos of him like in a target with police,

578
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: even when I was like a shitty, right winging kid,

579
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: that sounded like a nightmare. So so yeah, so Kyle's

580
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: the person who I figured out was Kyle's mom posted

581
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: this this photo of of her and Kyle, which which

582
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: Kyle liked, and then in another picture of another picture

583
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: from from Kyle's mom, I found, Uh, it's a family

584
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: picture including Kyle wearing what I would say is like

585
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: an army green shirt kind of similar, but it's a

586
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: green shirt like I have. I have shirts that are

587
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: pretty similar to that. I'm not gonna that's not gonna

588
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: be anything so super definitive until we got there's one

589
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: one picture that that proved to be much much more,

590
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: much more useful. Uh, of Kyle on or someone who

591
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: assumed was Kyle. You don't you don't you don't actually

592
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: see his face, but he is wearing horribly cringe e

593
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: American flag crocs, which which Kyle? Which which so and

594
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: and and on. On Kyle's page, there was also pictures

595
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: of him wearing those same crocs, So like, even even

596
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: though I can't see the person's face, the crocs the same,

597
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: probably the same guy. He's also wearing a tan baseball cap. Um,

598
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: and on this I can actually see that it has

599
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: an American flag on the front of the cap, which

600
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: I did not notice on anything else before. So that's,

601
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, that's something different, But again not that that's

602
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: that's not that's not that's not like a red flag.

603
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: That's just you know, a thing to a thing of

604
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: note um because the baseball cap is tan um and

605
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: it has like white mesh on the sides. Um. The one.

606
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: The one thing I did, I did make one post

607
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: before I actually did any kind of I claiming to

608
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: do I identity stuff. I did ask my Twitter followers

609
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: if there's any pictures of the back of the Shooters

610
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: cap um, and I got them to to send me those.

611
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: And then I got one picture of of the back

612
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: that actually has uh. I couldn't see, like, Okay, the

613
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: back of the Shooters cap also has the flag on it,

614
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: so I was able to actually show that. Okay, so

615
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: the baseball cap on the back of it, uh. But

616
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: they're both Tanna based ball caps, they both have white

617
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: men in the side, they both have to have an

618
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: American flag. And then I got another picture that was

619
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: even closer that showed a tear on the brim of

620
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: the hat. And if you zoom in on one of

621
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: the beach pictures, you could also see a tear on

622
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: the same position on the hat. So this is this

623
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: hat is the hat is the same hat? The hat

624
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: was definitely it was definitely in both locations. So at

625
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: this point, based on the gun, based on the hat,

626
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: based on the location being very close to kenosha um

627
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: and being closed on the rough facial similarities, um, there

628
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: was there was enough enough to enough to to um

629
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: enough to put put stuff together to be like, Okay,

630
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I I think I think this is this is probably

631
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: this is probably fine in saying I think this is

632
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: probably the dude. UM. So at this point I wasn't.

633
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Again, I'm not gonna post this immediately and

634
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: and gonna post something by saying this is who it

635
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: is without providing the evidence. So instead of like running

636
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: a thread tweet by tweet, I read the whole thread

637
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: out and then tweet the whole thread at the same time.

638
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: UM so, so I I put to the thread documenting

639
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: my relevant stuff. Um I. I wrote the first eight

640
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: posts the same time and posted them together with all

641
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: the evidence of uploaded um and then and then uh,

642
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: as I was writing the threat, I came across another

643
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: piece of evidence. There was one I was going through

644
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: one of the live streams of of that night from

645
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: a channel called the Rundown Live, which I've not heard

646
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: anything of before or since. Then. UM, but you know

647
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: one of the many streamers that were out UM, and

648
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: you can see you can see Kyle inside the frame

649
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: and then like pans away, but the people are still talking. UM.

650
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: So so Kyle Kyle is actually off camera now, UM,

651
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: but he I think someone like asks him his name

652
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: and he and the person who I think is Kyle

653
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: replies Kyle. Now, of course it's off camera, so it's

654
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: not you can't be totally sure. There's there's enough context

655
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: lose and that plus only other evidence. I'm like, Okay,

656
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: this is enough to add to the thread because it

657
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: again it's it's not enough proof by itself, but it

658
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: combined with everything else completes a much fuller picture. So

659
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I posted my like niner yeah like eight or nine

660
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: thing thread on being able to prove its Kyle via

661
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, comparing stuff like the gun, the hat, the shirt,

662
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: and demonstrating my work tracking across Facebook and how it's

663
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: able to like link these two people together. Um. Twenty

664
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: two minutes after I posted the threat identifying Kyle, Kosia

665
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: police adounce that they were that they were starting an

666
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: active investigation. UM. I soon added a court document to

667
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: my thread about a traffic violation by someone named cow

668
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: written House filed a few days before the shooting. The

669
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: traffic violation thing also included stuff like address, which I

670
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: I blacked out the addressed for that just because sharing

671
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: the sharing for reasons I'll soon explain. Because again, if

672
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a it's a track of violation,

673
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: if people really want it, they can find it themselves,

674
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: right it's it's not making impossible to find it. And

675
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: this was able to confirm it. It was in the

676
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: same location, um antioch Um. And also this this proved

677
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: that Kyle was seventeen at the time. Uh. This is

678
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: how we knew that he was seventeen years old at

679
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: the time of the shooting was because of this traffic

680
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: violation document found online. So the the address on the

681
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: violation document was the same one I had linked to

682
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: Kyle's mom. By doing other like osan address work, I

683
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: was able to find out where what what her address was. UM.

684
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: So so yeah, that was that was most of my

685
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: work that night. Uh. It took about I don't know,

686
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: like too sh maybe you know it. It's hard, it's

687
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: hard to break up. Uh, it's timing it. It took

688
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: about half an hour to get from the boogaloo meme

689
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: to finding the matching baseball cap on Kyle's mom's Facebook page.

690
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: About another half hour to write out the thread, and

691
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, about an hour of work previous to that

692
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: about you know, trying to find out the actual you know,

693
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: footage and categorize it. And Okay, this is the clothing

694
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: he's wearing. Here's the clothes I need, I need to

695
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: look for on social media right see see see see

696
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: if I can find these shoes, these pants, this, this shirt,

697
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: this hat, this bag, that kind of stuff. Um. And

698
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: I was able to find enough of those items to

699
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: make it pretty pretty clear that it was it was,

700
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: you know linked um. And that makes you, Garrison, one

701
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: of the first people in the world to get to

702
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: no way more about kyle rittenhouse than you ever wanted

703
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, a lot more. This nightmare has been

704
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: going on longer for you. Yeah, and so, and I

705
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: want to know a few of the ways to do

706
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: image verifications specifically on Kyle that that I didn't do,

707
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: but other people did after after I after I said, hey,

708
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: this is part of the guy. So afterwards people found

709
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: other kind of evidence on Kyle's TikTok um and snapchat

710
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: So it turns out Kyle was snapchatting his night in Wisconsin, um,

711
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: which we would find out later, So he was that

712
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: he was snapchatting from kenosha Um and Garrison. First off,

713
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: I do feel as the representative of zoomers in in

714
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: this call. Wait, why are you Why are you guys

715
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: all using the snapchats? Huh, I don't use I don't

716
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: use the snapchats. Um. Well, I'm making you answer for

717
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: the crimes of your generation, the crimes like the snap Now, well,

718
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: technically speaking, I have one friend who I only talked

719
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: to you through Snapchat, and we both only use it

720
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: for that and we don't know why we use snapchat. Yeah,

721
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: there's a few people who are like snapchat, people who

722
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: only text or snapchat, and I don't. I don't get it. Yeah,

723
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: except neither of us are like that. We just specifically

724
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: there got signal anyway, So yeah, the Snapchat. There's also

725
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: uh TikTok Um. There was a footage of of Kyle

726
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: att thing a Trump rally at TikTok Also him like

727
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: assembling and testing out his gun was on a Snapchat.

728
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: I believe eclipse that it were also shared on TikTok

729
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: So I could have got a lot more closer details

730
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: of the gun if if I looked on if if

731
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: on Snapchat or or TikTok um, and I think, if

732
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: this is this is a good advice that I've taken

733
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: since then, and for other people looking to do this stuff.

734
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: If if a suspect looks as young, um, you know,

735
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: Snapchat and TikTok might be, or and and Instagram might

736
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: be apps that are worth are worth checking out for

737
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: information as opposed to like Facebook. Right, lucky, lucky enough,

738
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: there was enough stuff on Facebook on this instance, typically

739
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: probably because No, Kyle's family was conservative so and he

740
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: was conservative, so higher chance of being on Facebook there.

741
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: But you know, in general, if someone's younger and maybe

742
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: look on younger apps. Um. But yeah, so you know,

743
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: good thing to think about. You know. Whenever these like

744
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: chaotic Panis moments happen, you know, misifforation can spread very

745
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: very quickly. Um. Cannot stress enough how dangerous and irresponsible

746
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: it is when a suspect is named without proper verification. Um.

747
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. Last last September, uh Ian Miles Chung

748
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: falsely identified a suspect in the shooting of two l

749
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: A police officers This resulted in the falsely accused got

750
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: a man and receiving many death threats online. I think emails.

751
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Chalnging did this like again a few months later. He

752
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: was doing this a lot. Last year he was doing it.

753
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: He was really bad about trying to identify people. Um.

754
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: But you know, doing solid solid arification work is possible,

755
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: but extreme caution needs to be taken. Um. I need

756
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: to be very mindful of the consequences of your actions

757
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: when when you're doing this work. I also want to

758
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: put out Garrison is very good at this. That's that's

759
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: why it took two hours and a half hours. It's

760
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: going to take it takes a lot longer. Yeah, Like honestly,

761
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: like I was surprised like it. Finding Kyle was just

762
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: the right mix of things in one moment. Often it doesn't.

763
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: Often it doesn't go that fast, and it doesn't need

764
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: to be right like a big big The problem is

765
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: that if people think about it needing to be like

766
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: a fast paced thing, that's where that that's where the

767
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: mistakes happen. I was just lucky to have enough like

768
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: dominoes fall in the right place too. I identify how

769
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: the night of having having his neighbor say, hey, this

770
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: guy looks similar to my neighbor. Extremely useful in in

771
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: in in the long run, right like that that happened

772
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: faster than that happens in a lot of cases, and

773
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: so not really accelerated things. Sometimes it will be easy.

774
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes like a good example of when it's harder. We

775
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: have a decent amount of footage about the individual who

776
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: placed bombs outside of the capital bombing before the sixth um.

777
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: That person has not been identified and the FBI seems

778
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: to have no goddamn clue. But also what they were

779
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: way more intentional, and they're very smart whoever they are,

780
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: They're very capable. They were. The only things that have

781
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: on them is their shoes, basically those are those are

782
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: kind of the polls of this right on one. Like

783
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: that with with Rittenhouse, you've got this situation where it's

784
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: like all of the information you need to identify them

785
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: is there openly online um. And part of ops sex

786
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: if you're doing things that are crimes um is to

787
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: make sure that is to limit that that that whatever

788
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: it is you are going to to the to the

789
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: crimes in um. There nothing exists on the internet that

790
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: connects that to your name and face and that that

791
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't always mean black block. That can mean

792
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: other clothing, especially if you've been photographed in black block

793
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: a book. I think like if you look at if

794
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: you look at, um, the guy who dropped off bombs

795
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: a January six, he's not wearing black block because black

796
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: block draws attention. He's wearing like grays. He's he's wearing

797
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: like that guy that well, that individual person is either

798
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: a former FED or former Special Forces. They were very capable,

799
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: leaning towards FED who showed up in clothing they had

800
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: never weren't worn before and paid for used in cash,

801
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: probably from a variety of places. Um. That clothing was

802
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: burned as soon as they got away. They were out

803
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: of the state as early as it was possible to

804
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: do so, plant them and then immediately get out like um,

805
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: and you know, by the time the capitol, right by

806
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: the time their bombs had been found, they were they

807
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: were if they were smartly gone, you know, like that's

808
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: how anyway whatever, like like oftentimes it can be if

809
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: someone knows what they're doing this this process can be

810
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot harder, like in the case of the people

811
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: of of the guy who left the bombs at the capitol. Um.

812
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, Kyle it was not you know, wasn't wearing

813
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: much identified clothing, wasn't even wearing a mask because COVID

814
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: was for cox UM. So you know, there's a lot

815
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: of these things that that made this process, um, you know,

816
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: easier than a lot of a lot of other verifications.

817
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: But like I said, there still was a lot of

818
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: false ideas going around that night, um, and so it

819
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of still happens. I'm kind of on the fence

820
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: myself as to whether or not it would have been

821
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: safer like for our country or the society or whatever

822
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: you want to call it if, um like, how much

823
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: more damage or less damage would have been done if

824
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse had been someone who showed up in impact

825
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: couple like clothing that he could not be identified from

826
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: fucking ran off and was never caught and we just

827
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: knew there was the shooting of protesters in Kenosha um

828
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: by somebody. UM Like, I don't know how much better

829
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: or worse that is for society if that happens. I

830
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm thinking about terrible things. But sorry, but

831
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: first off, I want to apologize. Sometimes talking about this

832
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: stuff winds up seeming like advice for how to commit crimes.

833
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: That's not the intent. It's just when you talk about

834
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: what makes something difficult to identify, your kind of by

835
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: default talking about like here's how to here's how to

836
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: get commit a crime and get away with it. Um.

837
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: And it's the kind of thing like if you're doing

838
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: verification work, one of the things that helps is to

839
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: kind of put yourself in the mindset of somebody who, Okay,

840
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: if I'm in this situation and I do this, um,

841
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: what are the decisions that I might make afterwards? Um?

842
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: And you can kind of try to, uh think through

843
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: this person. Like it can be helpful, especially if you're

844
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: trying to like track someone through a day. So you know,

845
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: someone was at this point at a protest at X

846
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: hour because they shot somebody. Um, you know, think through, Okay,

847
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: what else happened that day? Where their other protests, where

848
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: their other gatherings, like or is this one in a

849
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: series of events? Can I go look for, you know,

850
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: videos from other things in the area that this person

851
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: might have also been at and might have warned the

852
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: same clothing? Um, there's anyway Image verification is fun. Catch

853
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: the fever. It is it is a fun thing to do.

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Speaker 1: It's good to if if if you're not able to

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Speaker 1: attend in person demos for like like physical reasons or whatever,

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Speaker 1: or like mental reasons, doing the stuff from home is

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Speaker 1: is another way of getting involved, especially already out tracking

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Speaker 1: down bad people after they after they do bad things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you can, you know, if you want to learn

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Speaker 1: There's talk about like manual reverse image search tools and

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Speaker 1: there if you if you find this interesting, Um, it

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Speaker 1: can be quite a hoot. Um. But you know what

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Speaker 1: else is quite a hoot Ending a goddamn podcast, which

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. Now we're done, goodbye. It could happen here

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