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Speaker 3: I got five dollars. This is a royal happy tackle

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Speaker 3: hit one man play.

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Speaker 1: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life.

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Speaker 2: Bearable, Humans need fantasy to be human.

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Speaker 4: My goodness, that was good you guys, prose best, relentless,

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Speaker 4: refusing to give up.

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Speaker 3: All right, hit that horn? Very bless there.

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Speaker 2: What is up everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Raybond of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 2: this is our final stock watch pod ahead of the

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Speaker 2: start of the twenty twenty three regular season. So this

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Speaker 2: is gonna look at all of the play that are

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Speaker 2: and after final roster cuts, some trades going on as well,

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Speaker 2: So I will talk about all that, and then our

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Speaker 2: next episode after this will be our final rankings pod

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Speaker 2: where we'll go over all of our top league winners

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Speaker 2: that we like for twenty twenty three. Now that we

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Speaker 2: go down, and who's gonna be on all these rosters,

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Speaker 2: and here to break it down with me. One of

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Speaker 2: the top fantasy rankers projectors in the game none other

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Speaker 2: than the odds maker Sean Kerner.

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Speaker 1: Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Happy roster cut day.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna be living in our spreadsheets for the for

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twenty four try like seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably the rest of the week.

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Speaker 2: Like I always get caught up, Like I'll start like

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Speaker 2: But yeah, let's uh, let's just run. We're gonna just

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Speaker 1: So let's start a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The big news Kyler Murray officially is going to start

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Speaker 3: So are you lowering those guys at all with this news? No?

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Speaker 2: I I the reason being I already had Kyra pretty

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Speaker 1: When I look at.

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Speaker 2: Kyler, I'm saying, Okay, this dude had his worst season

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Speaker 4: I'm out, And he might he might return right around

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a lot James and Williams part too.

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Speaker 3: Just stay away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's number six per tent last year and Hopkins lies.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Warn and yet busted a sixty plus yard touchdown.

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Speaker 4: like ninety percent of pickets dropbacks. So those are just

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Speaker 4: I don't think after four games he's just all of

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Speaker 3: This could get worse.

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Speaker 4: So you always say, you know, you don't want to

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Speaker 4: It's you know, Deon Jackson is probably the favorite to

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Speaker 3: Or something like that.

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Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be banking on any of these guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Moss, I think Moss is the intended backup,

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Speaker 2: It's not just guaranteed that they come back in the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the kind of factor that is is this

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Speaker 4: didn't look great walking around. I think he is dealing

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Speaker 2: He must be dealing with something, because you don't just

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Speaker 4: If you put him on the PP with no injury.

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Speaker 4: Oh right, And then maybe that's why people aren't trading

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Speaker 4: you know, trade for him. What's going Like the Colts

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Speaker 4: it's not the question they could bring in like a

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Speaker 4: Cream Hunt or Leonard Fournette. Right, do you have any

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Speaker 1: Haven't seen I honestly haven't seen anything.

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Speaker 3: Hull let it ride.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let it ride, you know, Dean Jackson, let him,

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Speaker 2: You know, this is a rebuilding team. So without j

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Speaker 2: T Steven worse Yeah, okay, uh so, yeah, Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Definitely.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was kind of docking him one extra

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Speaker 4: big gap from like RB nine to RB ten, so

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Speaker 4: he was still my RB nine. He's back up to

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Speaker 4: RB eight, especially with the Jonathan Taylor news, but he's

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Speaker 4: But this does kind of solidify him at least early

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Speaker 4: I won't be drafting in there though, So yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're just you're just not you're just out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I'm definitely one of the people that

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Speaker 3: Last year, missing camp is not great.

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Speaker 4: Like he's more exposed to you know, an nd season

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Speaker 4: I'm attacking running back. That that's he's gone where I'm

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Speaker 4: something like that. He's not part of my overall draft strategy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 2: This This does take a little bit of a hit

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Speaker 2: out as a mere White though, right because oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he was going to push in top fifty in

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Speaker 2: some spots I saw, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah.

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Speaker 4: That was the appeal for him was, you know, this

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Speaker 4: Raiders do have a clear cut backup that's zmire White.

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Speaker 4: You know, he wouldn't really play much on passing downs,

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Speaker 3: So that's why his ADP is going up.

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Speaker 4: But once they signed Jacob's that kind of squashes that

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Speaker 4: he's still you know, he has injury upside, but he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that he's more like a pretty much

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Speaker 1: Dobbins's back as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've seen a lot of different ranks for him,

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Speaker 4: So he's my RB twenty seven, He's just that fringe

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Speaker 4: that's kind of why he was missing camp and everything.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was necessarily injury related, So good

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Speaker 4: to see him back. You know, this team's gonna be

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Speaker 4: tricky to project. I rather have you know, James Connor,

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Speaker 4: I'm really aggressively pursuing. Plus, if one of the backups

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's my RB thirty And I think, well, I

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Speaker 3: Different though, no wonder people are reaching out to us.

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Speaker 3: I thought I was pretty low, but you're lower, you know.

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Speaker 4: Me, I'm always always more often like that, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, so my thing with Dobbins is

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Speaker 1: Anything else that's going on.

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Speaker 2: And you know the fact that he wasn't really you know,

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Speaker 2: I think this is all about the past game in Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: His recent ADPs around RB twenty two little too rich.

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Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But but Alexander Madison is you know, he's he's got

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Speaker 4: It's RB twenty eight. Now, oh god, he's back to

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Speaker 4: the ADP member. We were like they're cutting Dalvin Cook

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Speaker 3: What is going on?

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Speaker 1: I will die on this hill?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alexander Madison, Like what we're gonna the bike is

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Speaker 2: gonna play the Bucks in week one and I was

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Speaker 2: gonna is going to get one hundred percent snap rate

443
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Speaker 2: book it Like he's not coming.

444
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Speaker 1: Off the field like like they they cut McBride. They

445
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Speaker 1: cut the rookie. Do you see that?

446
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 3: What? Yeah, they cut downe McBride well and Nuwanders hurt.

447
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alexander Massen thirty carries for eighty five yards week one,

448
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 4: two touchdowns, bookeet and I.

449
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Speaker 2: Mean they might need to bring in like a Kareem Hunt,

450
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Speaker 2: but that's only I would think, No, I always, I

451
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 2: think that only is to play the Madison role from

452
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 2: last year, like Koreeam Hunt would get like twenty percent

453
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: of the snaps, like five touches a game, maybe got

454
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Speaker 2: a couple of third downs, but yeah.

455
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Speaker 3: Take their receiving work away. That's not really even like

456
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Speaker 3: all of it.

457
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Speaker 2: Like just like Cook last year, you know, like he

458
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 2: played like seventy It wasn't really like he lost his

459
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Speaker 2: receiving work.

460
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Speaker 1: It was just what he needed, a breather massacre. Yep. Okay,

461
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, Moster Wilson and Devon A Chain.

462
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 2: Moved back up because the Dolphins did not trade for Jonathan.

463
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Speaker 4: They have been a joy to project all season. Right, Yeah,

464
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Speaker 4: good god?

465
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Speaker 2: I mean, Ahane, I honestly, I'm I had a lower

466
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: han because like he just like he was playing.

467
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Speaker 1: It was like with like the.

468
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Speaker 2: Fifth stringers and a he just got yeah, truck stick

469
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Speaker 2: and now he's out. It was funny because we were like, oh, yeah,

470
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 2: you know, he he's had He's had like thirty eight

471
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 2: carries in a game, like he can stand up to

472
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Speaker 2: a full workload. And then literally like the first time

473
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Speaker 2: he takes a hit, he just gets a bo Was that.

474
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Speaker 4: The hit that he hurt his shoulder? Play after it

475
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 4: was a different he got He got like literally body slammed.

476
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: I don't know why it was on a penalty, but yeah,

477
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 4: he got body slammed. And it was the next play

478
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 4: he hurt his shoulder. But he was taking some big hits.

479
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 4: But yeah, they had been a disaster project because like

480
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Speaker 4: at first we thought they were gonna land you know,

481
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Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook, and then we thought they would be the

482
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Speaker 4: team that would trade for JT. It's just like a constant,

483
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 4: you know, bracing yourself for them, and they're all, you know,

484
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 4: it's a three way committee. So yep, I've moved him

485
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Speaker 4: back up. Now that looks like JT's not getting traded.

486
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Speaker 1: So where did you have Most and Wilson?

487
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Speaker 4: So I have I have Most RB forty one. I

488
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 4: mean he might be the cheapest week one starting running back.

489
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Speaker 3: But it's for a reason. You know, he's get to

490
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: be healthy.

491
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Speaker 4: The first few games he has not been able to

492
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Speaker 4: stay healthy, and now he's he's what thirty one, thirty

493
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: two years old now constantly a threat for them to

494
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Speaker 4: bring somebody in. So he's not a guy I've been targeting.

495
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 4: Neither is Wilson. A Chane still might be sneaky later on.

496
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Speaker 4: I think he could have some big plays in the

497
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Speaker 4: passing game, but largely this has been a backfield I've

498
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Speaker 4: been avoiding all summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

500
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Speaker 2: Have I still have most certain Wilson right there, right

501
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Speaker 2: right outside the top forty. I have Hane down to

502
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Speaker 2: fifty eight just because I think he's gonna miss games

503
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,479
Speaker 2: to start the year. So yeah, just not really not

504
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: really much you could do there. Taj Spears for the

505
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: Titans got at a boost value because I Saun Haskins

506
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Speaker 2: went on injured reserve, so that kind of solidified Spears

507
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: roll behind Derrick Henry and he might have a role.

508
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: You know, I think you kind of talked about the

509
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: Dontrell Hilliard role or something like that. So you know,

510
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: this is a guy that I am targeting because if

511
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Speaker 2: Derrick Henry goes down, I think Spears would get you know,

512
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Speaker 2: a workhorse, you roll. I mean they have nobody up

513
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: they might have to bring in like a four net

514
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: if he goes down.

515
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I no, Spears looks great. And there's still

516
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Speaker 4: a non zero chance that Henry could get traded by

517
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Speaker 4: the end of the season. I know you're a Titans

518
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 4: futures holder. I'm not saying that will happen, but it's possible, right,

519
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 4: It's possible.

520
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Speaker 1: Absolutely no.

521
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Speaker 4: Well, either way, if even if Henry plays all seventeen games,

522
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Speaker 4: I still think Spears could carve out like the third

523
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Speaker 4: down roll, which has had value at times in this offense.

524
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Speaker 4: So I love him as a prospect. You know, they

525
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Speaker 4: took him a third round for a reason. He might

526
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Speaker 4: not have a long.

527
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Speaker 3: Career due to his medical history.

528
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Speaker 4: But he's gonna be very good and he's you know,

529
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Speaker 4: five to seven nearest season in the league. I love

530
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: him as a prospect coming out to Lane.

531
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Speaker 2: I mean, I love Spirits, who he that is not

532
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: having any value sometimes.

533
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Speaker 1: This is a run heavy offense with no I know,

534
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: berks and Chig.

535
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: Showdowns.

536
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Speaker 4: Like remember there's been times where like Nichols or Hilliard

537
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: racked up like four to eight catches in the game.

538
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Speaker 3: It's happened, Okay, okay, okay. Plus Spears is good.

539
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Speaker 4: I'm protecting like maybe four to five carries a game. Uh,

540
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 4: could could be his ceiling even when Henry's healthy. Spears

541
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Speaker 4: is really freaking good.

542
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: They're gonna use that dude to blow up the edge

543
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: rushers at their left tackle camp block.

544
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Speaker 1: That's that's what he's gonna be.

545
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Speaker 4: Their offensive line could be an issue.

546
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna catch you at all. And Less goes

547
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Speaker 1: down then then.

548
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Speaker 4: Right, that's the peel for taking him is if Henry

549
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Speaker 4: miss his time, he could be, you know, low end

550
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Speaker 4: RB two. He has that kind of skill set.

551
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Speaker 2: Dallas, how are you treating the Tony Poward backup? Dowdell

552
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: and Deuce Vaughan both made it. Deuce looked like really

553
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: good in preseason.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

555
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Speaker 2: Is he the RB two or is it doubt because

556
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Speaker 2: he's more of a conventional RB.

557
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Speaker 3: I think yeah.

558
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Speaker 4: I think Dowdell, Like if Pollard were going to go down,

559
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Speaker 4: Daddell would probably see the most touches. But Deuce is

560
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Speaker 4: like the Tony Pollard. I might com for him going

561
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Speaker 4: into the draft. Is micromachine. Tony Pollard, I mean, he

562
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Speaker 4: is really good. He probably can't handle more than fifteen

563
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: touches a game, but he's the kind of guy that

564
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Speaker 4: can do some damage with five to ten touches a game.

565
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Speaker 4: So I think he's gonna mix in even when Tony

566
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Speaker 4: Pollard is healthy. So he could have weeks where he provides.

567
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying draft him, but I think, yeah, with

568
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Speaker 4: Milk Davis, you know, getting cut Dawtell would be the handcuff.

569
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Speaker 3: But I think Deuce could have.

570
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Speaker 4: Some weeks where he's you know, put up RB three

571
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Speaker 4: flex kind numbers.

572
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Speaker 3: He's that good.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think both of them are worth

574
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: a stash. Yeah, sure, like Dows wants to run a lot, right,

575
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's what I keep here. And I don't

576
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Speaker 2: know where these carries are coming from, you know, because

577
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Speaker 2: like I mean, Tony Poward, like what what is he

578
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Speaker 2: He's probably not getting more than fifteen a game tops,

579
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: I would think, right, fifteen sixteen, Yeah.

580
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, like when he would fill in for Zeke or

581
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 4: you know, he could have games where he has twenty

582
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 4: plus carries, but maybe not for a full seventeen game season.

583
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think duce Vaughan could mix in quite

584
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 4: a bit even when Tony Poller is healthy. That's why

585
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: I think would probably see the most touches win Pollard

586
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Speaker 4: is healthy, and then if Pollard misses time, it'll be doubt.

587
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: All that's kind of the way I'm projecting this out.

588
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: Well.

589
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean, they also recently traded for a very good

590
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Speaker 2: short yardage back in Trey Lance.

591
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Speaker 3: So oh, oh, I thought you. I thought you were

592
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: gonna mention Ronald Jones one last Please don't go there. No, no,

593
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Speaker 3: but yeah, like have packages with Trey Lanson.

594
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: There, no, I mean, just convert him to running back. Oh,

595
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: just running back.

596
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: If it's because like San Francisco can pull a quarterback

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Speaker 2: out of their like butt crack on, like fucking the

598
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599
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600
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601
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Speaker 2: flex all Right, wide receiver Jared Judy might miss some

629
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: time to start the year. That is good for Marvin Mims,

630
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: but I'm curious is to what your games played in

631
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: and ranking is for it for Judy right now?

632
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: Oh, it's that's a tough one because you know, it

633
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 4: looks like he's gonna avoid the pup list, so he

634
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: could be ready sooner than later. I knocked two and

635
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: a half games, like two to two and a half

636
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: games off his projected game, so he's down to wide

637
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: receiver forty three. But I would still probably draft him

638
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: ahead of them, especially if he's going to be your

639
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 4: wide receiver four at least starting on your bench. I

640
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: think he could be back by week three just based

641
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 4: on the tea leaves. But I think the thing to

642
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: do is, yeah, invest in Marvin Mims even more right

643
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: now because he could have a prominent role either way.

644
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: Because I think the Tim Patrick injury really opened the

645
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: door for Marvin Mims. And he's the kind of guy

646
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: that all he needs is a couple of catches a

647
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: game to make some noise. He's probably gonna be their

648
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: main downfill threat. I believe he was also the first

649
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: draft pick of the new Sean Payton regime, so I think,

650
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 4: you know, Sean Peyton believes in this guy. So I

651
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: would not be shocked if he has a really good

652
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: rookie season and you could still get him cheap. And

653
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: he's one of those guys I like to have on

654
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Speaker 4: my bench, really high upside guy. So I think that

655
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: the takeaway here is just draft mems. A little bit earlier, well.

656
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Speaker 2: Denver traded a first round pick to New Orleans for

657
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton, right, yeah, and yeah, so Sean Payton was

658
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Speaker 2: technically Sean Payton's first pick. Wow, But no, I think

659
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Speaker 2: I think I think Mims could be guy. I know

660
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: Peyton wasn't there last year, but maybe like maybe like

661
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: a Rashid Shaheed.

662
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: Type of player, you know, yeah, for sure, you.

663
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: Know, may start out a little slow.

664
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: You may see more uh Brandon Johnson and Marquez Cali

665
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: than and and who is will Jordan Humphrey than you

666
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: want to see early in Denver. Kind of like remember

667
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: those Saints wide receiver rotations that we could never project.

668
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wouldn't I was, I would temper expectations

669
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: a little bit with Mims, but I do think, you know,

670
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: he's kind of inching toward that the top sixty for me,

671
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know, I think there's still some some

672
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: better guys to take that I have more value sooner.

673
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: But this still is is good for Mems, though. I

674
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: will say this once Judy is back, I do think

675
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: we could see a lot of one two I mean,

676
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: we'll see it anyway, but like a lot of one

677
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: two personnel that could exclude Mims because I think you're

678
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: gonna see you know, Troutman and Dosas. You know that

679
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: that just seems like one of the ways they want

680
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: to kind of control Russell Wilson's yeah, you know whatever

681
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call that was. That was last

682
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: year by heavy personnel. We got defense to run the ball.

683
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's just I don't love this whole situation.

684
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: I got Judy at a wide receiver thirty nine.

685
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's a fair and him to be clear,

686
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: Mims is a best ball guy specifically for me.

687
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.

688
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: Uh, Terry McLaurin, jack and Jackson Smith nijig, but both

689
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: guys could miss week one or be limited early. I'm

690
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: not really I think with Terry, I'm not reading too

691
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: much into it, JSN. It sounds like he is gonna

692
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: miss time because he did have surgery, which is a

693
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: little different from what Terry just kind of got, like

694
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: an injury to his toe. But I think I think

695
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: he'll play week one js N. Seems like he's gonna

696
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: miss at least a week or two. Is just he's

697
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: not gonna go on pop to miss h to miss four,

698
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: so you know that. I mean that just kind of

699
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: solidifies Lockett and Metcalf a little more, like, you know,

700
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: probably gives him a bump or two off a spot

701
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: or two.

702
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: Well more so Lockett. I think Metcalf's kind of locked.

703
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: In right that my receiver thirteen range.

704
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: So JSN, like, how how much have you downgraded him?

705
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: Like he's slightly Yeah, I think I think at this

706
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: point it does look like he's gonna miss week one.

707
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: I'm talking about a game game and a half.

708
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

709
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: Lure him too much in terms of rank, just because

710
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 4: you're not really drafting him to start week one anyway.

711
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: He's ideally gonna be, you know, one of the first

712
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: couple of guys on your bench anyway. So I would

713
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: still draft him, maybe inside the top forty five, maybe

714
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: the top forty, because I still like his upside, Like

715
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: if Metcalf or Lockett were to go down, like he

716
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: could provide wide receiver two value. That's not a common

717
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: thing at the wide receiver position. So if anything that,

718
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: this could be a nice time to buy low on him.

719
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: If he does thoughtside the top forty five, I think

720
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: that's an excellent pickup, even if he misses the first

721
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: couple of games. So that with that, I'm trying to

722
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: juggle my medium projections and kind of how that translates

723
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: to rank. But right now he's my wide receiver forty eight.

724
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: My my thing is, if you're looking for a rookie,

726
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: I would take Zay Flowers in that in that raa. Yeah,

727
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: that's my first guy over over over Addison as well,

728
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: just because I just think he has the clearest path.

729
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: He doesn't need an injury to anybody to potentially be

730
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: the top receiver, and Bateman and Beckham, you know they've

731
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: I'm pretty injury prone, so even more likely for him

732
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 4: to move up the pecking order regardless.

733
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would agree.

734
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: I think Flowers has the clearest path out of those

735
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: rookies and.

736
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: An emoji scout.

737
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: Odell Beckham approves of Zay Flowers lots of lots of

738
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: tongue emojis.

739
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, that must be good.

740
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Odell Beckham knows, you know, he knows

741
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: about balling out your rookie year.

742
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

743
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: Cory Davis retired and that actually cleared up a lot

744
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: because I was kind of in the back of my

745
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: head like thinking, like, wouldn't Corey Davis kind of start

746
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: He was like, you know, I know they got Hardman,

747
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: and like Cory Davis is kind of like a real

748
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: receiver and Hardman more of like a not so but now, uh,

749
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, the thing I'm hearing is that Randall Cobb

750
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: is going to be the slot receiver. So like I like, how,

751
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: like what are you where are you ranking Cobb and

752
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Hardman with this Corey Davis news.

753
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: There's still outside of aftable range.

754
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 4: You know, I move Cob up quite a bit because, like,

755
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: like you said, I was projecting Corey Davis pretty high.

756
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: I had him being, you know, their number three receiver.

757
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, Hardman Cobb, there's they're a

758
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson or almaz Ard injury away potentially being family's irrelevant.

759
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: So they definitely move up, you know that ranking. But

760
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 4: you know, Hardman's my wide receiver seventy five.

761
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: Cobb is my.

762
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 4: Wide receiver eighty five, So they're still outside the range.

763
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if they have a ton of upside,

764
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: So I'm still not kidding much of those guys.

765
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have them both in that I have

766
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: Harmon eighty six and Cob ninety. So yeah, it's it's

767
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: not it's not looking too great for him, but it

768
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: does give them a little boost. It's just that it's

769
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: hard to say like either one of them will be

770
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: a full time role because they probably won't.

771
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: You know, Cob play.

772
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: They might replait Snaps last year. Yeah, they might split work.

773
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: And I'm hearing you know, Tyler Conklin has been one

774
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: of Rogers' favorite targets, so maybe you know, with that news,

775
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: coupled with Corey Davis, uh, you could bump Conkland up

776
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: a bit because we've seen Rogers connect with his tight ends,

777
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: especially in the red zone as well. So he's a

778
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: guy that has been moving up a little bit for

779
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: me in this offense. But really, it just looks like

780
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: it's all Garrett Wilson.

781
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, me out awful consensus. I already

782
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: had Conquorent like tight end twenty or something like yeah.

783
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I was like, all right, this is

784
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: but no, I think Concorent is then in a two

785
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: tight end like he's kind of sneaky, but ye doesn't really.

786
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: Mostly most of these guys for the Jets out was

787
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, Tizard.

788
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it gives Bizard a little more of yeah,

789
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: a little bump, like I have him just inside my

790
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: top fifty and I think he was outside it before,

791
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: so he's my forty nine right now. So you know, Wizard,

792
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: I think is looking better and better. Quentin Johnston behind

793
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer, uh, And that's something you know, I do

794
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: think people like Johnson was getting a little bit overdrafted

795
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: when he was going like early forties. I think think

796
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: he should be going, you know, probably probably more is

797
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: like a wide receiver five, probably like outside that top

798
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: forty eight. Cause because I do love the upside for

799
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: the Chargers, and I think they're gonna be pass heavy

800
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: and do a lot of things, but like they don't

801
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: have any reason to like rush a guy like Quentin Johnston.

802
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: And even if he does get that number three roll,

803
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about target hogging keenan Al and

804
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: another great receiver in Mike Williams and Austin Ecker one

805
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: of the top pass catching running backs. So like, the

806
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: upside for Quentin Johnson to actually be like a true

807
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: league winner.

808
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Is kind of low.

809
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: So like I'm he like even though he's probably like

810
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: like a I guess I'm one of the higher floor

811
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: guys just because of the offense he's in, I don't

812
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: know if he has that like true top twelve, top

813
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: fifteen league winning upside that I'm still kind of looking

814
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: for if I can find it in that range.

815
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: So where about you, where you're at?

816
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely bump him down. But this is this

817
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: is typical for rookie wide receiver. They usually need a

818
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 4: few games before breaking out, maybe leapfrogging somebody. If you remember,

819
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: even Justin Jefferson had a deal with like Olabezi Johnson

820
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: the first couple of games his rookie season. So I

821
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: think eventually Quinn Johnson will leap frog Palmer. But I

822
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: get the appeal why people will draft him as their

823
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: wide receiver for because again, you're probably not banking on

824
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: starting him early on anyway, And he just has a

825
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: high ceiling, like he probably has the highest ceiling of

826
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: all the rookie wide receivers. Not saying he will hit it,

827
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: especially as a rookie, but if you know, Keenan Allen

828
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: or Mike Williams were to miss time, I could see

829
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: him putting up wide receiver two values.

830
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: So he's still a flyer. But I'm with you.

831
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 4: I think I think Zay Flowers in that range is

832
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: probably the best bet. But yeah, just temper expectations. A

833
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 4: lot of these rookie receivers look like they're gonna be

834
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: farther down the depth chart than we thought initially, but

835
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: that's pretty common, and then you know, if they're good

836
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: the rookie season, they will move up accordingly.

837
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I was kind of doing kind

838
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: of looking at league winners, you know, doing some research

839
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: and just kind of looking at you know, wide receivers

840
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: who you know beat their ADP and and and also

841
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: finishes like a top six, top eight guy. And it

842
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: turns out that that's really not what you're getting from

843
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: rookies like that. It's very rare for a rookie to

844
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: like deliver that true, true top end up. So I

845
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: think like Odell is one that may have done it,

846
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: but it's it's very rare. So like that's that's something

847
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: to kind of remember here, Like these rookies are guys

848
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: that you're kind of looking for to be like good

849
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 2: high upside like depth pieces, good good flex spot or something.

850
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: Maybe get to like a wide receiver too, if you're lucky,

851
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: but you know, if there are other guys that you

852
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: think still have make could have wide receiver one upside

853
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: or something like that, like by all means, I think

854
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: you gotta go. And the one thing that concerns me

855
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: about like Johnson versus Palmer, and I've made this mistake before,

856
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: is like Palmer is twenty five heading into year three,

857
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: coming off a big year two jump, so like and

858
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: he's a third round pick. So like Palmer is another

859
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: one of those guys that, like, you know, could be

860
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: entering his prime and so it's it's it's not just

861
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: gonna be easy to overtake him necessarily, right, So that's

862
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: that's another thing that So yeah, I'm kind of I'm

863
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: you know, John's probably not getting much Johnston just because

864
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, I like to try. Herbert is actually a guy,

865
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: you know. I think like he's just get Herbert and

866
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: then you get all of these guys.

867
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, exactly, if Johnson's great, then that's only gonna

868
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: help Herbert anymore.

869
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think Herbert's kind of sneak. He just

870
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: don't know what undertalked about coming off that bad year

871
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: last year.

872
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: Who else we got?

873
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan asaid another guy, like, I know you were

874
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: really high on him. Some Minnesota fans seemed to think

875
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: he didn't look good in his preseason.

876
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what did you think.

877
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 3: No, I thought you looked fine.

878
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: You know, he's missed a weak or two with the concussion,

879
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: so he's had a pretty quiet close to camp. But

880
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: he's the guy from this working class I think has

881
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: the clearest path to wide receiver three value.

882
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm not calling him a league winner necessarily.

883
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: I think that's a good call that you mentioned that,

884
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 4: because if you remember last year, like kar Wilson.

885
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: And yeah, Chris a lot, they are.

886
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 4: Great rookies and they finished as low end wide receiver teams.

887
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: So I think that's kind of the ceiling we're dealing

888
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 4: with here. And it was kind of a bad receiver class,

889
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: not gonna lie. I think that's why the Bills took

890
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: him cade so early. But yeah, I think of all

891
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: the rookies, I still have Addison ranked the highest, although

892
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: it does look like Kja Osborne will be the you know,

893
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: the number two wide receiver to start this season. As

894
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: annoying as that is, but that Addison's the kind of

895
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 4: guy that again you're not looking at star in Week

896
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: one anyway. But I think he is really talented. You know,

897
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: he's in a pass heavy offense, and if either you know,

898
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson or TJ. Hawkinson were to go down or

899
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: I guess kJ Osborne, he could offer wide receiver two value.

900
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: But I think he made a great point tempering expectations

901
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 4: with all the rookies in terms of their floor ceiling combo.

902
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: But I still like Addison.

903
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 4: He looked really good when I was watching him, so

904
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: I think, you know, he could have a solid rookie season.

905
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have him behind.

906
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: I do have him behind Zay like Jays to me,

907
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: Jazay's just like not even just like just the path.

908
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: I just think like that, like if.

909
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a guy to be like another twenty

910
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: fourteen Odell Beckham. I just think it's gonna be zay

911
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: fo hours. Like I just I just think he might

912
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: just have one of those type of years where it's

913
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: just like, oh oh oh, it's this guy, Like he's

914
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: like he just has that that like when I watch him,

915
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: he just has that it to him.

916
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

917
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not just the path, it's the offense too.

918
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: You know that they should be a lot more pass

919
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: heavy than we're used to when it comes to the Ravens,

920
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: So I mean he should benefit from that. But but

921
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 4: I think at this point he's probably the rookie with

922
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: the best you know, flour ceiling kind of combo.

923
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also should mention the Vikings may go to

924
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more heavy person that it shouldn't affect

925
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: the pass game too much, but just something to keep

926
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: in mind.

927
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: You know, they extended CJ.

928
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: Hamm and they signed Josh Oliver, a great blocking tight end,

929
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: so it might run a little less to uh, you know,

930
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 2: three wide than they did last year, which could also

931
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: like it's not necessarily just you know, plugging in Addison

932
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: or Osbourne into like the Thielind roll from last year. Either,

933
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of it could be a little bit of

934
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: a lower SNAT percentage for the third wide receiver this year.

935
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: Let's see, Uh what Carolina, If you have to draft

936
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: one receiver, who is it? Because Chark and Marshall kind

937
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: of banged up they could miss Week one. They traded

938
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: for Amir Smith Marsett, Adam Thieven caught a touchdown in

939
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: the preseason, and Jonathan Mingo is the rookie.

940
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: Well, no one really, but if I have to pick,

941
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: it's Jonathan Mingo the rookie. I just think he's the

942
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 4: best fit for someone like Bryce Young. Really good after

943
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: the catch as well, but again, he's probably not gonna

944
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: win your league. I think maybe early on this season

945
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: Adam Feelin might be offering the most value, but again

946
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: not enough to like make it in your starting lineup

947
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 4: in leagues that start for your receivers. So I think

948
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: for me, the best value is still Jonathan Mingo.

949
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Mingo right around that top sixty as well,

950
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: but so I am pretty like high. He's another rookie

951
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: I think could come up sooner than later. But you

952
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: know it's it's tough to project. I mean, watch it

953
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: just be with Viska. Look get the exactly.

954
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 4: This is like the Chief dut chart but without Patrick

955
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 4: Mahomes right.

956
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of which Justin Ross makes the chief roster at

957
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: wide receiver. But and I think we talked about this

958
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: on another pod, Like my prediction for the Chiefs is

959
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: that all of their wide receivers are going to be

960
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: in this kind of like frustrating rotation where like the

961
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: top guy is probably not going to get more than

962
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: like sixty seventy percent of the snaps over the course

963
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: of the season, and but the bottom guy will get

964
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: like twenty to twenty five thirty. So I'm really not

965
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 2: like drafting many Chiefs receivers. I think where she Rice

966
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 2: has some you know, upside as, just like a guy

967
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: who looks like he could separate, but like he also

968
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: had drop issues.

969
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, any Chief receiver stick out for you.

970
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: I still think that's sky Moore, But I do agree.

971
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a frustrating team to project.

972
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: I think Mark Hazdella is scaling might be the guy

973
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 4: that's running around over seventy percent of the time but

974
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: not doing much with it, So it's gonna.

975
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: Just be very frustrating. You know.

976
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 4: They they still have Justin Watson. I think Richie James,

977
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: he's been gonna be playing a lot earlier in the season.

978
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: Uh so, I think the guy I would take a

979
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: flyer on is still sky Moore.

980
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: And what's up with Candarry's Tony.

981
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: He avoided the pup lists, but he is expected to

982
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: miss like the first get weak or two.

983
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: Like, have you heard anything on him?

984
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's Canarious Tony. You don't even have to hear.

985
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: It's just an injury for of course he's expected to miss.

986
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: Canary's Tony. What do you mean.

987
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm not drafting Canarius Tony, Like, I just don't think

988
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: the guy can I don't even think the guy can

989
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: stay healthy for a like a string of games where

990
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: he's like getting started snap so much less of the season.

991
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, She's Chiefs are gonna be pretty frustrating unless

992
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: like Kelsey goes down, which he never has so except

993
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: that rookie year. So yeah, Rondo Robinson off the putt

994
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: for the Giants. This just kind of throws I think

995
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: some cold water on like all these Like you know,

996
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: Jamon Hyatt's ceiling and it's just gonna another one.

997
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: He's just rotations.

998
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: I feel like that could change throughout the year, and

999
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: they're kind of using Waller as a wide receiver, which

1000
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: cuts into so, yeah, I don't want any Giants.

1001
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: But Olevin Waller.

1002
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, love.

1003
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: Trey Palmer in the Tampa Bay is going to be

1004
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: the number three receiver. So that's kind of interesting because

1005
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he's an injury away from being.

1006
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: A top two for this team.

1007
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: You know, Evans or Godwin goes down, So I got

1008
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: to sit some monitor in deeper leagues, maybe you or

1009
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: best ball, maybe you take a flyer or stash him.

1010
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: But any thoughts on him, Yeah.

1011
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: No, I think he's gonna be their Week one starter.

1012
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: I feel a little bit better at him about him

1013
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 4: if they had Tom Brady ander center instead of Baker Mayfield.

1014
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 4: But he's worth a flyer in deeper leagues. And we

1015
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: had a fun moment in our discord. We're a heavy

1016
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: over on Palmer's prop. It was like twenty and a

1017
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: half or something, and I and I had the Bucks

1018
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: plus three in that game, and I said, we we

1019
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 4: could use a Trey Palmer thirty two yard touchdown right here,

1020
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: and that's exactly happened the next place. So we had

1021
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: some fun with that. But yeah, Love Love is upside.

1022
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: He's speedy, and you know, with everybody concerned with Godwin

1023
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: and Evans, he could be wide open for touchho or

1024
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 4: two early in the season. So yeah, he should be

1025
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 4: their number three receiver. I mean, who who's even competing

1026
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: with It's like, hey, Tiger and.

1027
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: No Gegor cut?

1028
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: Oh, Geiger got cut. So it's you know, Devin Tompkins.

1029
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: And a Jarrett or Jared no More got cut too.

1030
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: It's a Rakeem Jarrett, Rakeem, Jared.

1031
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh More got cut too.

1032
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's Godwin, Evans, Palmer, Tompkins, and Jarrett. As

1033
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: of now, I think that could change, you know, wow,

1034
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: he might add somebody or trade.

1035
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 4: But as of now, yeah, yeah, so Palmer might be

1036
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: running route you know, sixty seventy percent of Baker's drop back,

1037
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 4: so that's that's or something. Maybe he's probably DFS only,

1038
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 4: but someone the you know monitor yep.

1039
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I personally, I think Tampa bayse wall

1040
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: be more of like a low score like seventeen to

1041
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: ten type type because I think the defense is actually

1042
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: pretty solid, so it probably won't be a huge, huge

1043
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: bump for Palmer, but just somebody keep an eye on

1044
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: because he's definitely having like he's definitely come into a

1045
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: much bigger role than we expected. Yes, speaking of which,

1046
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham looks like he played on the roster. Yeah,

1047
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, any any any thoughts on like, is he

1048
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: gonna have value at any point or is it just

1049
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: like one of those reclamation projects that's gonna fade out?

1050
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: Probably the latter. But he looked great.

1051
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: The last time he was on the field, he was

1052
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 4: screwing over Stucky an eye on a prop And actually

1053
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: I had the Texans first half in this game and

1054
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: that that was when Jimmy Graham was going off, So

1055
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 4: I was having some flashbacks. But yeah, Graham looked great

1056
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: and he made the team. If anything, he's gonna just

1057
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 4: get red zone looks. So this could ding Juan Johnson

1058
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: even more, who he had what seven touchdowns last year,

1059
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: so that was kind of appeal with Jawan Johnson. But

1060
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 4: now he's got a fight off Foster Moreau, Taysom Hill,

1061
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 4: and now Jimmy Graham specifically in the red zone potentially,

1062
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: So I lowered Juwan Johnson. Uh you knows, he's probably

1063
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: outside my top twenty. Now tight ends the fact that

1064
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 4: they kept Jimmy Graham. So this is more of a

1065
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 4: bad news item for Juwan Johnson.

1066
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: Nah, I'm after last year. I'm not allowing myself to

1067
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: lower Juwan Johnson.

1068
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't care much.

1069
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I.

1070
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: Don't got he's my tight end eighteen and he's damn

1071
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: sure staying there and I don't care how he has

1072
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: to stay there.

1073
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: He's staying there.

1074
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair play.

1075
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, you know what's funny, you and stuck.

1076
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: You have been living in this alternate reality where Jimmy

1077
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: Graham like walked off into the limelight and retired after

1078
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: catching that touchdown to like lose your prop. But he

1079
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: actually came back the next year and played a whole

1080
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: other year. He was just so like relevant that like

1081
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: you completely forgot that he played like all of twenty

1082
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: twenty one like that last year.

1083
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: He he looked really, really good in this last preseason.

1084
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: But like you said, it'll probably fade away.

1085
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: All right.

1086
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: That is going to do it for our stock Watch

1087
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: final stock Watch of twenty twenty three. Heading into the

1088
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: regular season here on the Fantasy Flex, be sure to

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