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Speaker 1: is up, Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire

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Speaker 1: for Wednesday, September sixth, first week of NFL, and the

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Speaker 1: bodies are dropping like flies. Oh my gosh, little did

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Speaker 1: I think there would be so many instrumental NFL players

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Speaker 1: going down for Week one. It's it's brutal, folks. If

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Speaker 1: you had your fantasy draft I've had several of them

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Speaker 1: and you got Cooper Cup, you got problems. If you

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Speaker 1: had your fantasy draft and you have Travis kelce you

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Speaker 1: might have major problems. We'll talk about the Kelsey situation,

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Speaker 1: the Cooper Cup. We'll get into that. Rich Paul, We'll

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Speaker 1: do a quick little NBA thing because rob G's back,

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Speaker 1: and we got I know, Robb G loves NBA segments

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Speaker 1: and it's like Lebron, Rich Paul, Michael Jordan. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's September. I know we're in football mode. We'll do

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Speaker 1: a little more Dion Sanders, but we have to start

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Speaker 1: with Travis kelcey and the huge news that broke Tuesday

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Speaker 1: mid you know, maybe two pm ish Eastern Standard time.

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Speaker 1: Travis kelce practicing with the Chiefs ahead of Thursday night

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Speaker 1: Football's season opening matchup Lions at Case and Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 1: suffers a hyper extended knee. Whatever that means. Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: has said his availability for the opener is uncertain TBD

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Speaker 1: for Travis kelce Well, you know, people could speculate and

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Speaker 1: have opinions all they want. Let's trust the market. This

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Speaker 1: line was six and a half Chiefs. It instantly went

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Speaker 1: down to six and then at some of the respected shops.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to you guys about it. I downloaded this

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Speaker 1: promote them. It's called Bett Stamp. And you could just

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Speaker 1: go ahead and pick the best sports books to monitor

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Speaker 1: minute by minute, hour by hour. And I have the

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Speaker 1: three or the two biggest ones are Bet Chris and

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Speaker 1: the Super Book. Those are the two big ones. And

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Speaker 1: you can see where the lines are. Will super Book

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Speaker 1: one of the sharpest because they take the big bets

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Speaker 1: if you look at Dan Campbell, he likes to run

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Speaker 1: the football. They sign Montgomery from the Bears. They drafted Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: rob we haven't really talked about it because the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, best receiver in football, and they don't miss

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Speaker 1: we giving too much credit to Andy Reid off a bye? Well,

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Speaker 1: breakdown for Pro Football Focus. Patrick Mahomes is literally the

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Speaker 1: And it's I don't know, Rob. You look at his Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Because you just mentioned it, Kansas City, for all of

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Speaker 2: you're giving up money, you're giving up security with a

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Speaker 2: surround me with high end talent so that in the

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Speaker 2: Sky Moore, Isaiyah Pa Checko, the ghost of Kadarius Tony, Like,

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Speaker 2: Chris Jones is not even there right now. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: Like that's why, Rob, when we do these offseason breakdowns

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Speaker 2: hating on the Chiefs. My Super Bowl pick is Chiefs

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Speaker 2: And you probably have so many bets for futures, you know.

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Speaker 2: And they also have a very light schedule, similar to

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Speaker 1: Let's move quickly to college football. We did a lot

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Speaker 1: one bet to win the National Title is Colorado. What

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Speaker 1: him on last season. He says he's never seen anything

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 1: Ah? That you know when you see the Jets like

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Speaker 2: Uh no, I mean they should, but they won't.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I find the most interesting about Colorado

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Speaker 2: is not just you know, the betting, because betters can

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Speaker 2: be swayed pretty easily, you know, medium manipulation, things like that.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I find the most interesting about Colorado

429
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Speaker 2: is they're feeling themselves too, like, probably even more so

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Speaker 2: than Joe public Is. I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 2: some of the quotes coming out of Boulder, you know,

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Speaker 2: Deon Sanders says a'm undisputed earlier on Monday that Travis

433
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Speaker 2: Hunter would be a top overall quality pick either in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, both at wide receiver and defensive back, like

435
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Speaker 2: he could go top of the draft in either position.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with that. I don't know if damn here

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Speaker 2: anyway anythink Deon Sanders in his prime could have went

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Speaker 2: top overall or is a wide receiver coming out of

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Speaker 2: Florida State. But then you got Shader Sanders telling the

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Speaker 2: meet and say, hey, what's the difference between playing at

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Speaker 2: Jackson State and playing at Colorado FBS for his FCS

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Speaker 2: And He's like, Oh, it's really not that different at all,

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Speaker 2: you know, other than you know, a couple of defensive

444
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Speaker 2: linemen get off blocks faster, but other than that, it's

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Speaker 2: just guys playing football. It's like, yeah, no, you've you've

446
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Speaker 2: played one game against TCU, who, if memory serves, they

447
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Speaker 2: only had three starters from last year's championship team left over,

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Speaker 2: and you're talking like this is no different than playing

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Speaker 2: at FBS. Like, I appreciate the excitement. I'm excited about

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Speaker 2: the story. I'm going to be watching, of course against Nebraska,

451
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Speaker 2: but you gotta pump the brakes a little bit, man

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Speaker 2: like this. It's only been one game. It's been one game.

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Speaker 1: So Rob, I'm looking at the schedule for Colorado. I

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Speaker 1: just called it up here. They'll they'll beat Colorado State

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Speaker 1: after Nebraska, but they travel to Oregon. They will be

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Speaker 1: decided underdogs. The week after that, they host USC so

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a brutal back to back. They travel

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Speaker 1: to your UCLA Bruins October twenty eighth, Halloween weekend. After that,

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Speaker 1: they faced Oregon State Oregon States. Very good, folks, they're good.

460
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Speaker 1: DJ looked better than the Clemson quarterback, that's for sure.

461
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Speaker 1: And they closed the season at Utah and Kyle Winningham

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving weekend. There is no cho I'll just take

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Speaker 1: I'll shoot my shot. There's no chance that they win

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Speaker 1: the national time. I will say there's no chance are

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Speaker 1: in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Wait to go out and a limb on that one.

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Speaker 1: Jason, I mean no chance to win it. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you no shot. Like they'll probably beat Nebraska, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not certain. And you know Matt Rule. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: decent coach in his time, great coach, is an underdog.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be motivated. They have extra time

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Speaker 1: off because they played I think on the Thursday. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna probably bet Nebraska. Probably, we'll see where

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Speaker 1: this goes. I don't think that's a heavy play. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going against your public. Rob will quickly wrap up

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Speaker 1: with this Rich Paul thing. I gotta be honest. I

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Speaker 1: saw the clip. Uh Rich Paul went on some podcast

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Speaker 1: and it's podcast, who oh was it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so everyone's talking slick. I'mnna get with Arena's podcast

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Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people know, Oh, we gotta get some pick up.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get I gotta get loose and fire the juice.

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Speaker 1: But for some reason, Rich Paul, this isn't the first

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Speaker 1: time he's talked about Lebron for Jordan, right, I don't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he is technically PR for Lebron, but

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Speaker 1: it sounds like he's running PR BRO. What are you

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Speaker 1: doing talking about Lebron Jordan? Like, I mean, it's easy

488
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Speaker 1: to take the bait, right, Steph Curry. One on Gilbert

489
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Speaker 1: Reeniz was asking whos the best point guard? He took

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Speaker 1: the bait. It became an issue. So now Riz Paul,

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Speaker 1: I didn't love his answer about well, Michael Jordan when

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Speaker 1: he became the best, who were they comparing him to before?

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Speaker 1: Like there was no Lebron before Michael to compare him to.

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Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, Lebron has to deal with

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Speaker 1: social media twenty four to seven, And I agree, I

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Speaker 1: thought his point was a little clumsy on that, but

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Speaker 1: it just comes off. I hate to say this because

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Speaker 1: I do like Lebron and I do think he's the

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Speaker 1: greatest of all time. It comes off like Lebron's trying

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Speaker 1: some type of PR campaign to get people thinking he's

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Speaker 1: the goat. Those never work. I don't, at least Robin

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Speaker 1: my recollection that stuff doesn't really work. Now I know that.

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Speaker 1: I forget which politician said it, but it was like,

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Speaker 1: never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of people who are gonna lap

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Speaker 1: this up and be like, oh, Rich Paul, he's spot on.

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00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: But it's just I can see through it, and it's like, bro,

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00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: you gotta isn't either one dating Adele? Or is that

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Speaker 1: Maverick Carter?

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Speaker 2: Now that's Rich Paul.

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Speaker 1: Oh it is okay, you're dating Adele, You've got a

512
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar company, you're running with Lebron, You're doing great.

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00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? There's no win. You're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to convince people. That'd be like me

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Speaker 1: trying to convince someone saying I think that the candidate

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Speaker 1: that we need to get behind in the Republican Party

517
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Speaker 1: is Susie Q. We do not want. I need to

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Speaker 1: convert the DeSantis people to Susieq. I need to convert

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Speaker 1: the Trump people. I need to convert the vivek Rama Swamanini,

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00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: that guy, I need to convert his people. I need

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Speaker 1: to convert you guys to Susie because that's where the

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Speaker 1: actions at. You cannot do that. People these days refuse

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00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: to come off positions. Now you know this podcast rob me.

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Speaker 1: We know, hey, new information, and I gotta change. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the general public. They want to be

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Speaker 1: with their tribe. They want to be Hey, I'm with

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Speaker 1: the Jordan guys. Yeah, we will defend forever. Look at

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Speaker 1: all the teammates Lebron had that were all NBA. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan didn't have any, and they just keep to

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Speaker 1: their talking points. It's just like politics, and it's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: So I try not to get dragged into it. For

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Speaker 1: the longest time, I got it. I thought magic was

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Speaker 1: the goat. Obviously Michael Jordan passes it. And then there

534
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Speaker 1: was Jordan was the greatest of all time, and then

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00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: Lebron's creep and Lebron's creep and I said, oh, and

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Speaker 1: I said her a video for Fox. If Lebron goes

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Speaker 1: to the Lakers and he wins another title, basically anywhere

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Speaker 1: he goes, he's the system. He wins, title doesn't matter,

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00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: the coach doesn't matter, the teammates he wins. That's the

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Speaker 1: goat for me, and he won the title. I know

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Speaker 1: it was the bubble. So people want to push back

542
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Lakers got to the conference finals after that, like Denver

543
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: got to the Bubble Conference finals, Denver got to the

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00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: won the championship, like the Bubble was real, guys, And

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just rob I can't get worked

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Speaker 1: up about this. I just don't love the idea of

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Speaker 1: Rich Paul feeling the need to do this.

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00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's not the best look, right, especially

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00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: when you consider and he's not the only one doing this,

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00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: by the way, like there's been, as you mentioned, a

551
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: concerted effort by Lebron James himself and some Lebron James

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: sympathizers in the media to really push you know, his narrative.

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00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: And that's fine, Like I understand the game, like I've

554
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: been in sports media over a decade, so I know this.

555
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: I know the sausage gets made right. My only real

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00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: issue with the Rich Paul thing, and we've talked about that,

557
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: you mentioned it is his rationale for calling for why

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00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: Lebron is the goat and why his is his horns

559
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: are dipped in platinum and MJ's are dipped in gold.

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00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: You know, like that that was as big.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that.

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00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: I didn't that was I mean, I understand what he

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00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: was saying. It was just like a weird thing to say.

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Speaker 1: What are Steph Curry's what are his horns?

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Speaker 2: What is he like? Silver?

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Speaker 1: What? Shack? It's just dumb, right, So, but the problem

567
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: is he's been working on that for a while.

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00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: Right, you can tell he's been work shocking that idea.

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Speaker 2: But like you know, you brought it up. His reason was, oh,

570
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: Lebron came up in the social media era and he

571
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: didn't have anywhere to be compared to. And if that's

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00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 2: your argument, that's a really really weak argument. Like, I

573
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: know you have Lebron as the greatest, and you have

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Speaker 2: reasons which are even if I disagree with you, which

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Speaker 2: I do, your point about him. You know, three different franchises,

576
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Speaker 2: winning championships, going to the finals half of his NBA career.

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Speaker 2: No matter where he goes, team is a contender. All

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Speaker 2: the longevity stats are in his favor right, first and

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Speaker 2: scoring fourth and assists. Only player to even be in

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Speaker 2: the top ten in both of those categories. He averages

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Speaker 2: twenty five, six and six and nineteen seasons. Next closest

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Speaker 2: guys at nine. Right, you know, the all the all

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00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: NBA teams all the All Star teams like it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's at some point the NBA record book is going

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Speaker 2: to say will chamber and Lebron James present the NBA

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00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: because their names are just going to be up and

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00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: down the NBA record book. So you could make a case,

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00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: and whether I agree or discrete, you could make a

589
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: strong argument for Lebron being the best player of all time,

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: but him having to come up during the first take

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Speaker 2: undisputed era of sports media, or you know, there was

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Speaker 2: no one to compare, you know, Lebron and Jordan. He

593
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: had a fight that goes to Jordan's Yeah, like Larry

594
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Bird and Magic Johnson didn't exist, like Kareem never existed,

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00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: Like Wilt Chamberlin and all his staff never existed. Like

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: just because there was more coverage now doesn't mean you

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00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: can just omit certain things in history to fit your narrative.

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Speaker 2: And that's that was my issue with Rich Paul. It's

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00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: like you can make an argument without having to play

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00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: mental gymnastics, you know what I mean. I didn't. I

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Speaker 2: didn't like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So and again we're we're deep into the pod here.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to go longer. I just not only

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Speaker 1: is wherever Lebron goes, and he being the system and winning.

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00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: But Rob, this idea, you know, the cross era comparisons

606
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: are so difficult. And I love the eighties NBA. That

607
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: was my favorite era of all time until you know,

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: the twenty tens arrived and Steph Curry and Lebron set

609
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: the league on fire and went to the finals every

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Speaker 1: year practically against each other. It was unbelievable. And then

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Speaker 1: you start drilling down, Rob, and you say, okay, So

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties had, like you know, in nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 1: it was like twenty three teams in the league. And

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Speaker 1: I think I joked on this pod that there are

615
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Speaker 1: more Attennacumpo brothers in the NBA right now than there

616
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: were international players in like nineteen eighty six when Jordan

617
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Speaker 1: was like starting his MVP rise, and I know there

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Speaker 1: was some Drasen Petrovic and Vlade Divac and okay, I

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Speaker 1: get a couple good ones. There are MVP international players

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Speaker 1: dominating the NBA now, Giannis Luca Joker, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: I know Embiid is considered you know, international, but he

622
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: went to Kansas, So I if you went to college

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Speaker 1: in the US. I can't totally call you an international

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Like alajo One went to Houston, we

625
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: don't consider him an international player, right, Jokic didn't play

626
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: in college, he's an international player.

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Speaker 2: Rob?

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Speaker 1: Would you agree that we could just agree to that, Rob?

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Speaker 2: Or no? Uh I I could sympathize that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Alijo play for Team USA, so it's hard to call you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, yeah, yeah, that's perfect. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: think of that. And it's like the era and I'm

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00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: not pooh pooing it. By the way, Rob, are you

634
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: watching Winning Time on HBO?

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00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: It is one of the best notions. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: love it. It is the Magic Riley stuff. The West

638
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: is it Westhead or West Paul? I forget which west Head?

639
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: The guy they just bounced who's played by Jason Jason Siegel,

640
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel. He's all, I like that guy, but like,

641
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Speaker 1: I love the eighties and seeing this, like you forget,

642
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: I forgot. Magic demanded a trade. Steph Curry Ever demanded trade.

643
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: Lebron Ever demanded trade like Magic openly to the media

644
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: was like, I'm demanding a trade. It's me or the

645
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: coach some diva action from Magic I forgot. I was

646
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: like too, I was a kid, what do I know?

647
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Speaker 1: But like, I just feel like the league as a

648
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: whole right now is just so much stronger than the

649
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: league back then. And I know people are going to say, well,

650
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: we had eing A A. Lajahwan and David Robinson and okay, great, Yeah,

651
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: there were great players, the great players in every era.

652
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: But rob I think you're with me. The players right

653
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: now are far and away better than they were in

654
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Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties. Would you would you agree with that?

655
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Speaker 1: Or no? I know you're a big Kobe guy. Kobe's

656
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: closer to this era than the eighties. No, hes like

657
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: what so oh so the draft was Kobe by the way,

658
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: ode in ninety six, but he didn't really become Kobe

659
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: until like two thousand.

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00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: Right right right, the first championship is when you really

661
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: took off. Yes, the players today are better than they

662
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: have ever been, bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled. Anybody who is

663
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: objective can see that, and I think talent exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: I think I think the where people take that as

665
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: like an insult is because they'll point to like the

666
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: top of the top. You'll say, oh, well, in the

667
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: eighties they had Bird and Magic and Kareem and the

668
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: nineties at Jordan and you know Shack, and you can

669
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: play that game with any decade. Right the top is

670
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: the best players are going to be the best players

671
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: no matter where you drop them. If you put Lebron

672
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: in the seventies, put Steph in the eighties, like it's

673
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: they're always going to be great. Where you see Now,

674
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: what I think that you touched it on is because

675
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: of the influence of international basketball, just the interest level

676
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 2: in basketball period, there's going to be a higher talent

677
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: pool because there's more people who are interested are interested

678
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: in it, and I think that's yes. Today's players as

679
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: a whole, as a collective, you know, from the first

680
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: man to the fifteenth man, up and down the roster,

681
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: are better than they were. Definitely in the nineties and

682
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 2: two thousand, that's for sure.

683
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, a lot of people are

684
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: positioning to hate Jason. Remember Clyde Drexler, you leave him

685
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: off the talk of like amazing players in that era,

686
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Like all right, how many MVPs for Clyde Drexler, Rob zero?

687
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: How many finals for Clyd Drexler? Did you? How many

688
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: you win. Oh zero, I don't have first team All

689
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: NBAS off the top of my head, but I'm gonna

690
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: go ahead and guess it's not many. Who do you

691
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: think had a better career? Clyde Drexler or Jerk.

692
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: Davitski, Oh, Dirk Davitski.

693
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even thinks close, right, And in.

694
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: The middle of pulling up his bio for Clyd Drexler

695
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: and want to make sure to.

696
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, pull okay, how many first Team All NBAS.

697
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: For Clyde one? Two, second team two thirteen?

698
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: Dirk has an MVP, so he was the best player

699
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: in the league. But like my point is, I mean

700
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: the guys will send me articles. Clyde Drexler was considered

701
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: a peer of Mike. It was on the same line

702
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: as Michael Jordan. Of course, Jordan took that as a

703
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: personal insult and like that's when he had the six

704
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: threes in it the shrug. Okay, cool, I got it.

705
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: But like, what is Clydedrexeler right now? I'm gonna say

706
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a name, but you're gonna hate it. My guy Zach Lavine.

707
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: Like I know, Zach Lavine hasn't been first team All NBA.

708
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: But so who's like a comp for like a Clyde Drexler,

709
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: who apparently in the early nineties was the man. I

710
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: think he went to two finals they lost to the

711
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Pistons and Jordan Uh.

712
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess right now what Jason Tatum just

713
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: in terms of accomplishments, No, in terms of accomplishments, right.

714
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: Like that two or three times first Team All NBA.

715
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean Tatum is still halfway through his prime.

716
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: So you're saying the first half of Jason Tatum's prime

717
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: is the entire career of Clyde Drexler.

718
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a guard Weekend? I mean, I know

719
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear Levine. He was on the

720
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Speaker 1: Olympic team.

721
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: He was really good.

722
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard, Damian Lillard and CRIDs Rexler. I think Lillard's

723
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: considered the greatest Portland troublizer of all time.

724
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: No, yeah, he yes, Yes, that's a tough one. Clyde

725
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: Drexler is like a unique Yeah.

726
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: Like space, How good is Clyde? I don't know, And

727
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of young kids who are

728
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: like twenty six listening. It's like, who the hell is

729
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: Clyde Rexler. But it's like, it's really tough with the

730
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: eighties because we think some of these guys were amazing,

731
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: and then you drill down a little, you're like, oh,

732
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: this guy was good.

733
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: But like I read somewhere that Karl Malone and John

734
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: Stockton combined have a losing winning percentage in the playoffs. No,

735
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: I have to fact check that, but I think I

736
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: saw that and I was like, wow.

737
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: That's a losing record in the post.

738
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, holy cow.

739
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, by the way, those jazz teams that

740
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: Jordan beat, it was like Carl and Stockton, and then

741
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: after that it was like Jeff Hornaseck Byron Russell. I mean,

742
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: are those guys even cracking the rotation of any of

743
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: the Curry teams maybe the one that lost in the

744
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: playoffs for the Lakers this year, but like no team

745
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: of Curries that went to the finals is Byron Russell starting.

746
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's top seven horn a Seck.

747
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: Like again, it's again, if you really want to go

748
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole, I was We talked about this,

749
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: Actually it wasn't with you. It was with one of

750
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: the producers, Josh, before we recorded the podcast. I believe

751
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: we talk to him about it. I was watching NBA

752
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: TV and they showed a replay of Lakers Celtics Game

753
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: seven of the twenty ten finals.

754
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh go and then the ugly.

755
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get beyond like the top of the

756
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: Kobe and Powe and the big three in Boston, and

757
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: you see the Lakers the rest of their roster, it's

758
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: like Luke Walton, Josh Powell getting minutes, Jordan far Sasha

759
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Vuja Chichen. It's like none of these would have played

760
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: in those cas Warriors finals at all. They wouldn't have

761
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 2: got off the bench.

762
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, shit, was Shannon Brown on those Lakers teams?

763
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: Yes he was. He was a skywalker, Yes, Shannon Brown

764
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: who could dunk and then not much else.

765
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, he didn't have much in his bag. Anyways,

766
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: we just spent ten minutes on the NBA where we

767
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't have. But Rob loves it. I like the sparring.

768
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: It's always fun. Anyways, we'll be back tomorrow. We're dabbling

769
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: with guest ideas, I think college football, and then of

770
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: course on Friday, we will have mister Baker, the great

771
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: NFL prognosticator. If you missed ta's interview yesterday. I implore

772
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: you to go listen to this phenomenal if you're betting

773
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: or doing Fantasy Week one, we're out, see you tomorrow