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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anna and Smantha stuff Never Told You

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Speaker 1: prolecture by Heart Radio. And today we have another sort

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Speaker 1: of Valentine's Day adjacent episode for you, which is the

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Speaker 1: work Spouse. Yeah yeah, yeah, again, our Valentine's Day episodes

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Speaker 1: are all over the place.

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Speaker 2: It's a loose interpretation.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it did make me. It made me remember

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Speaker 3: how you and I used to spend all of our

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Speaker 3: Valentine's Day together, not necessarily purposefully, but it just kind

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Speaker 3: of happened that way. It's true. Yeah, yeah, And it

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Speaker 3: is interesting, sting when you work with someone on kind

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Speaker 3: of like a creative team like this where we do.

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Speaker 3: There is a level of like I need to know

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Speaker 3: what's going on in your life and I need to understand,

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Speaker 3: and then we try to help each other.

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Speaker 2: We invest a lot in each other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean we also are good friends, yes,

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Speaker 3: but on top of that, our work does require sort

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Speaker 3: of a level of hey, what's going on? Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is

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Speaker 4: An and Samantha and welcome to stephone Never Told You

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Speaker 4: a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And and you have a question for you. We haven't

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Speaker 2: done this in a while, but have you ever had

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Speaker 2: a work spouse, or would you ever say that you

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Speaker 2: actually had a work spouse at any point in time

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Speaker 2: that you called them this.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever called anyone that. I would say, Uh,

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Speaker 3: given the job we do and how it kind of works, Uh,

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Speaker 3: I've never called you that, but I would say you

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Speaker 3: Lauren from Safer and before that, Kristen from Stuff. I

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Speaker 3: never told you the previous pounder nots like and it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like your whole day is spent somewhat involved

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Speaker 3: in what they're doing, and you're working together. Then I

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Speaker 3: would say those those three, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you can't have two work spouses any that's not

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Speaker 2: how this notorous? No, Like, this is not a thing.

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Speaker 3: Well and Lauren have to fight for my hands?

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Speaker 2: Is that? And like according to and we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about some of the reasons why you don't want to

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Speaker 2: have it, this is one of those reasons jealousy within

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Speaker 2: the workplace because I used to make jokes about this,

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Speaker 2: and in my job as a bartender slash brewer and

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Speaker 2: work in the breweries, I had a dude who he

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Speaker 2: same schedule. So I had two people that I worked

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Speaker 2: with specifically, and they're both dudes, and one of them

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Speaker 2: he's like, oh, no, are you my work wife, Like

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Speaker 2: he said that way incredulously, and I was like, what no,

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Speaker 2: And then the told joke was that he was my

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Speaker 2: is how we joked about it, just because he wasn't

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Speaker 2: around as much as this one. But like the one

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Speaker 2: who said it, the original work spouse was like married,

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Speaker 2: happily with children and all these things, like all all

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Speaker 2: of we see each other at work and we talk

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Speaker 2: about personal life. We talk about our other job because

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Speaker 2: that was a part time job. His job was difficult,

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Speaker 2: My job was difficult, so we would talk about that,

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Speaker 2: but never anything else. So it wasn't ever a thing

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Speaker 2: outside of that. So it was very innocent to me.

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Speaker 2: And apparently like in my other job, as when I

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Speaker 2: worked as a social worker, I made really good friends

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Speaker 2: from that workplace, it was like you stole him from me,

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Speaker 2: And I was like what, Just like, yeah, we used to.

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Speaker 2: One of the things we would do is go around

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Speaker 2: And he and I would partner up and do this

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Speaker 2: this was not a bad thing, but I didn't think

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Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: Because in my mind, I hung out with married men,

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Speaker 2: which is not a great sentiment, but because they were safe,

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Speaker 2: I did not think of them as again, we've had

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Speaker 2: this conversation of any being available, so therefore we were fine.

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Speaker 2: There would be no attachments, there would be no feelings

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Speaker 2: were good. That is my naivety of like, of course

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Speaker 2: he's married, why would he want to talk to me.

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Speaker 2: This is silly. We are just friends. Like it just

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Speaker 2: didn't make sense or co work coworkers because we didn't

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Speaker 2: each other outside of work. That was not a thing,

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Speaker 2: it was all. And of course he would tell me

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Speaker 2: a little bit about his wife, but never his problems.

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Speaker 2: It was more about like, oh, this are somethings that

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Speaker 2: we're doing. We're building a house, we're moving here, stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. So in my head it wasn't a big deal. Well, ye'all,

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Speaker 2: if you can't tell what this Monday Mini is about,

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Speaker 2: I think you've got a hint. And we are talking

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Speaker 2: about the work, wife works, spouses now essentially, and we're

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Speaker 2: like everything is not what it seems. I guess because

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Speaker 2: I've gotten so many tech talks. Yes, I know, I've

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Speaker 2: talked about TikTok constantly for the past six years, just

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Speaker 2: getting have only been on it for a couple of years,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, and in the tech talks, there's all about

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Speaker 2: these stories of work wives gone wrong, essentially a lot

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Speaker 2: problems happening, which I'm not surprised, but I didn't think

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Speaker 2: that as in like I've called people of work spouses

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Speaker 2: a soap opera. But apparently goes down, Annie goes down.

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Speaker 2: But of course, yes I did go down this rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: But before we talk about it, I'm gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: the brief history. And this is according to the cut

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Speaker 2: In a nineteen thirty three story for The New York Times,

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Speaker 2: Wilson attributed the term office wife to Prime Minister William

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Speaker 2: Ewart Gladstone, who Parl Wilson used it to describe the

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Speaker 2: ideal relationship between a prime minister and his secretary, And

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Speaker 2: by secretary, Gladstone referred not to the person in an

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Speaker 2: office stereotypically a woman who answers phones and completes other

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Speaker 2: administrative tasks, but a person stereotypically a man who serves

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Speaker 2: as an advisor, ghostwriter, schmoozer beneath a prominent politician, and

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Speaker 2: by osmosis, absorbs some of his political power. According to Gladstone,

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Speaker 2: the relationship between politician and secretary should mirror that of

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Speaker 2: I guess office wife would be derogatory because he has

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Speaker 2: terms modern connotations are most often attributed to the journalist

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Speaker 2: David Owen, who wrote a story called work marriage for

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Speaker 2: the Atlantic in nineteen eighty seven. Like Gladstone's before him,

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Speaker 2: Owen's definition of work marriage is allegedly platonic, but unlike Gladstone,

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Speaker 2: as far as I can tell anyway, According to the writer, Owen,

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Speaker 2: I bplicitly explains that the peal of a work wife

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Speaker 2: She doesn't know you do it, he writes. Also, she

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Speaker 2: of your stomach and ask what's this blubber Dan. She

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Speaker 2: recently bathed, fully dressed, largely awake, and in control of

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Speaker 2: your life. In other words, your work wife finds you

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Speaker 2: the Wikipedia page, it says work spouses is a phrase,

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Speaker 2: whom one shares a special relationship, having bonds similar to

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Speaker 2: those of a marriage. Early references suggest that a work

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Speaker 2: spouse may not just be a coworker, but can also

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Speaker 2: closely with from a partnering company. A work spouse has

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Speaker 2: been defined as a special platonic friendship with a work

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Speaker 2: So again, all of these are supposed to be platonic friendships,

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Speaker 2: the heteronormative ideas. In fact, the Cut article also notes

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Speaker 2: that it does bring a layer of hetero sexist ideas.

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Speaker 2: Owen's work marriage and its larger cultural adaptation is also

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Speaker 2: exclusively exhaustingly heterosexist, close but platonic relationships that can exist

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Speaker 2: between coworkers of the opposite sex. The woman coworker is

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Speaker 2: So obviously this kind of goes hand in hand in

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Speaker 2: that conversation we had about weaponized incompetence, especially with sexism

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Speaker 2: it does seem that it's mainly about the work wise

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Speaker 2: me could like, who is this dude? He can't know

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Speaker 2: if he was married, He wasn't married for long, right,

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Speaker 2: there's no way he wrote a whole damn article. Come on, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like at this point the wife was he never was

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Speaker 2: cuspod of divorce, Like there's no way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean so much of this sounds

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Speaker 3: like what you hear when you hear about cheating anyway, right,

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Speaker 3: is that you know? The usually in what we hear,

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Speaker 3: the woman in very aheadin arm of contacts who the

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Speaker 2: The disaster of him not being a husband.

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Speaker 3: Supportive like wanting someone to essentially just be like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: You're so smart. I love your ideas. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 2: you know it's it's that question is this title problematic

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Speaker 3: I also think there's like that situation is the whole

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Speaker 3: I know what you're trying to do, right right?

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Speaker 2: Well, then yeah, again, everybody has as you're talking about

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Speaker 2: the rumor mill in general, it doesn't matter if they

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Speaker 2: see that. I was told co repeatedly, everybody's like, y'all

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Speaker 2: talking about? And being very shocked, And yeah, I actually

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Speaker 2: to out them. And so people would be like, y'all

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Speaker 2: and I'd just be like, I'm not his type, like

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Speaker 2: or he's not my type. Like that's just that's just

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Speaker 2: the end of the conference, right, it wouldn't go well,

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Speaker 2: but like, but the level of like gossip, which could

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Speaker 2: be a problem in itself, and that could start some

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Speaker 2: trouble obviously with your relationships as well, no matter what. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's the whole thing. But seeing I don't know if

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Speaker 2: we're coming at the end of this term and it's

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Speaker 2: like downfall. Although again, terms have nothing, no really no

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Speaker 2: real power. Honestly when it comes to when people do

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Speaker 2: bad things in general. We know this, but like there

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Speaker 2: there is something to be like, yeah, maybe that's just

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Speaker 2: that rhetoric needs to go.

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