Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas today. And no matter what I'm doing, you guys
Speaker 1: know I love love and I never get tired of
Speaker 1: talking love and relationships. You think I would be after
Speaker 1: all these years, but I always find it fascinating. And
Speaker 1: today's guest I actually met her Gosh probably a decade
Speaker 1: ago when she was involved with a reality show. I
Speaker 1: hate to say a bachelor knockoff show because that makes
Speaker 1: it seem like it was tawdry and I was nothing bad.
Speaker 1: But she was hosting another show and a part of
Speaker 1: another show while the Batcheler was on, and we ended
Speaker 1: up meeting at some event where we talked about our
Speaker 1: two shows. Well. She is one of the most famous
Speaker 1: matchmakers in the world. Amber Keller Hurt Andrews, who is
Speaker 1: a part of Keller Her International, the number one matchmaking
Speaker 1: company in the world. Old her mom started this, Jill
Speaker 1: Gosh back in nineteen eighty six, and then Amber as
Speaker 1: she grew up, got to be a part of this
Speaker 1: as well, and now it's her full time gig and
Speaker 1: is phenomenally successful. And after that many years of being
Speaker 1: a top matchmaker, just has great insight how much has
Speaker 1: changed in dating, celebrity dating, and all the things that
Speaker 1: we read and all the headlines. What's true, what's fact,
Speaker 1: what's fiction, So so many topics I wanted to cover
Speaker 1: with Amber today. So very happy to have her on
Speaker 1: the show. Welcome Amber to the most dramatic podcast ever,
Speaker 1: and Amber joins me, Now, it's good to see you again.
Speaker 1: It's been a while.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time. I think it's been ten years,
Speaker 2: maybe twelve.
Speaker 1: I love it by the way you remembered almost exactly
Speaker 1: where we were, and I think you're right. We ran
Speaker 1: into each other and we were kind of discussing because
Speaker 1: back then you were kind of in the world of
Speaker 1: reality TV love, and of course I was knee deep
Speaker 1: in the world of reality TV love, and we were
Speaker 1: kind of exchanging war stories.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and we shared a showrunner, so we were
Speaker 2: talking about that. And I think the Bachelor was a
Speaker 2: little nervous about Ready for Love, and I think Ready
Speaker 2: for Love was a little anxious about what was what
Speaker 2: was going to happen, and you and I were like
Speaker 2: kind of in the center of all that. So we
Speaker 2: had that in common and we kind of bind it over.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I always thought about that, you know, because yeah,
Speaker 1: the Bachelor was always the most ripped off and copied franchise,
Speaker 1: but rightfully, so if something's doing well, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like when American Idol did well, it's like, great, let's
Speaker 1: create a bunch of singing shows. My my thinking was
Speaker 1: always this. You know, obviously the you know, imitations to
Speaker 1: see in cerrus form of flattery, but I also believe
Speaker 1: that there's room for great shows. If the Bachelor is
Speaker 1: doing great and you're doing your job, no matter what
Speaker 1: it is. By the way, it's kind of like your
Speaker 1: job now, matchmaking. There's room for other matchmakers, but that's
Speaker 1: not going to hurt you because you're good at what
Speaker 1: you do. And I always felt the same way about
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. It's like Ready for Love and all these
Speaker 1: other shows weren't going to make a dent on The
Speaker 1: Bachelor because we were good at it. And eventually, though,
Speaker 1: I look now at that marketplace, it's wide open. It's
Speaker 1: right for the taking because the Bachelor has fallen by
Speaker 1: the wayside. So now you see love is blind, you
Speaker 1: see f boy Island, you see love you know all
Speaker 1: these other shows.
Speaker 2: I'm married at first site.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're finding their market share, they really are.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like restaurant row. You have a restaurant
Speaker 2: and then another one comes in and you're like, ooh,
Speaker 2: it's competition. But if you get three or four or five,
Speaker 2: now everybody wants to go to a restaurant row, and
Speaker 2: you end up benefiting from all of it. And no,
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, Chris, being that I was in the
Speaker 2: entertainment business and I don't know. I think I shared
Speaker 2: this story with you, but I don't know if you
Speaker 2: would have even remembered. But when you got cast for
Speaker 2: The Bachelor, they knew already they wanted to do a
Speaker 2: franchise for the Bachelorette, and I was called in to
Speaker 2: be the host of the Bachelorette because I was at
Speaker 2: the time friends with the studio. I was an actress,
Speaker 2: but I was also doing match making and they thought
Speaker 2: that that would be really interesting. But what ended up
Speaker 2: happening is your show was so successful, and it really
Speaker 2: was surprising that a dating show would be so successful
Speaker 2: that they immediately said, we're not going to touch this.
Speaker 2: We're going to just move it over to the Bachelorette.
Speaker 2: We're going to keep the same house, We're going to
Speaker 2: keep everything the same because to your point, they just
Speaker 2: wanted a cookie cut cookie cut, just go, go go.
Speaker 2: And so I went from possibly hosting the Bachelorette to
Speaker 2: not even a chance because they weren't going to touch it.
Speaker 2: And they were right to do that, because you ended
Speaker 2: up keeping that consistency going from one show to another,
Speaker 2: and everybody trusted you and followed you, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: you were all over the world. You literally had this
Speaker 2: unexpected i'm sure, just career of interesting stuff. And then
Speaker 2: I went on to start Kelling Her because that was
Speaker 2: right at the time that my mom was doing it.
Speaker 2: So for me, I don't think I would have ended
Speaker 2: up running the world's top matchmaking firm because I would
Speaker 2: have been dealing with girls getting drunk in hot tubs.
Speaker 1: Man, we should have kind of should have switched places.
Speaker 1: You could have saved me a lot of heartache and
Speaker 1: a bad back traveling around the world, but you did.
Speaker 1: So you started Kelling Her, your matchmaking company. Well that
Speaker 1: would have been some over twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Well, it actually started thirty eight years ago. So my
Speaker 2: mother started Keller Her in the eighties. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: was still in high school, but I ended up watching her,
Speaker 2: and then when I went to Los Angeles and started acting,
Speaker 2: and you know, like I did a lot of sitcoms
Speaker 2: and TV shows, Baywatch and Married with Children and Melrose
Speaker 2: Place and those those days, which is going to date me,
Speaker 2: but it was very fun and I thought that that's
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. And it didn't matter what
Speaker 2: side of the camera I was on. I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: just making a creative project with a group of people.
Speaker 2: And so I would sometimes be an assistant to the
Speaker 2: director or I was a script supervisor. But anyway, my
Speaker 2: mother was growing Keller her and at one point it
Speaker 2: felt like it was too small to just have a
Speaker 2: San Francisco office, and so she asked me if I
Speaker 2: would run the Los Angeles office for her. It was
Speaker 2: never like be my partner. Let's let's go global with
Speaker 2: a matchmaking because nobody's ever heard of it and we
Speaker 2: can conquer the world. It was like, hey, could you
Speaker 2: answer the phones for me down in LA because I'm
Speaker 2: getting too many calls, And so she just thought she'll
Speaker 2: separate the numbers. I'll answer the two, one three and
Speaker 2: the three one oh and she'll answer the four, one, five,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But as soon as soon as I started answering the phones,
Speaker 2: I thought, well, this is so interesting. I want to
Speaker 2: meet this person. And then I would meet them, and
Speaker 2: I thought, well, she doesn't need to match them. I
Speaker 2: think I could figure this out. And so I knew
Speaker 2: so many people in the business. I was matching all
Speaker 2: the producers and actors and everybody that I knew with
Speaker 2: the clients, and that's kind of how we ended up,
Speaker 2: like Matchmaker to the Stars. I was already in the industry,
Speaker 2: and so whether it was the head of Paramount or
Speaker 2: the head of CBS or whatever it was, these people
Speaker 2: were all single and they all needed, you know, love,
Speaker 2: and they weren't finding it because there were no dating services,
Speaker 2: there were no apps, and there certainly weren't We didn't
Speaker 2: even have computers.
Speaker 1: At the time to say, I mean, your mom Jill
Speaker 1: started this back in nineteen eighty six, and I'm not
Speaker 1: even going to go back to nineteen eighty six because
Speaker 1: that's just too far. Even when you really got in
Speaker 1: earnest a part of this, think how much it's changed.
Speaker 1: And in all people even ask me, you know, how
Speaker 1: has data changed since the batchler started, Well, we started
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two thousand and one, I mean
Speaker 1: that twenty four years, the world, technologically speaking, has changed exponentially.
Speaker 1: So how I mean you try to quantify that? How
Speaker 1: much has it changed just since you started the matchmaking business.
Speaker 2: I've seen so many trends. And we have a new
Speaker 2: gal that started going from an internship into what we
Speaker 2: call a network developer, which is a step before you
Speaker 2: become a matchmaker. And we were talking about these trends
Speaker 2: just yesterday, and it's really interesting because you can see
Speaker 2: how the world changes a little bit through talking to people.
Speaker 2: So the example that we were using is, you know,
Speaker 2: we did get computers eventually. In nineteen ninety seven, I
Speaker 2: had a computer on my desk. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do with it, but I had one. And all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this one client said she no longer
Speaker 2: wants to talk on the phone. She only wants to email.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, what's an email? And I couldn't
Speaker 2: figure out what an email was? And then when I
Speaker 2: found out it was something that she writes, I said, well,
Speaker 2: that's the most impersonal thing I could ever imagine. Why
Speaker 2: would I want to read something on a screen when
Speaker 2: I'm we talk on the phone. So, you know, we
Speaker 2: got really busy as a society. We no longer could
Speaker 2: wait for that long facts, right, it was like instant
Speaker 2: and you know, same thing with like our health. I
Speaker 2: would interview people and they would say, well, I work
Speaker 2: out once a week, and it was like, ooh, wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, you work out.
Speaker 2: That's cool. You know, like where are the gyms? We
Speaker 2: didn't really have any. And then, you know, I remember
Speaker 2: a couple of years later, some you know, people would
Speaker 2: start saying, well I work out twice a week, and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, that's amazing. And then it
Speaker 2: was three times a week, you know, and now it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if I don't work out every single day, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be able to get through my day. So
Speaker 2: you see these trends that happen and the world is
Speaker 2: moving a lot faster and people don't have time to
Speaker 2: really spend on themselves unfortunately. So the difference between a
Speaker 2: dating app where it's like swipe, swipe, swipe, go waste
Speaker 2: your time and start all over every single time you
Speaker 2: meet someone, you start from the beginning, Start from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Matchmaking still is traditional. It still is old fashioned in
Speaker 2: the way that we kind of unplug you a little
Speaker 2: bit and we say, you're actually going to have a nice,
Speaker 2: you know, introduction with somebody over lunch or dinner, preferably dinner,
Speaker 2: and you're going to have a conversation. And the good
Speaker 2: thing about it is that they've already pre approved this person.
Speaker 2: We've already met this person, We've vetted them. This is
Speaker 2: not going to be some catfish or some girl, for example,
Speaker 2: that doesn't look anything like her photos, or some man
Speaker 2: that lied about his marital status. The things that people
Speaker 2: have to go through on their own is really kind
Speaker 2: of crushing. And people have become they have a fatigue
Speaker 2: and a withdraw from the dating apps, and we're seeing
Speaker 2: that right now and it's actually kind of depressing.
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely is. And I just had a guest
Speaker 1: on yesterday. We weren't even talking about dating, but we
Speaker 1: ended up there, as all my interviews tend to do.
Speaker 1: So I love love, and I love love, and I'm
Speaker 1: still still very much entrenched in this world. But so
Speaker 1: let's say you are a client. Let's say I'm a client,
Speaker 1: what is the process because everybody is Fatigue is such
Speaker 1: a great word to use. I was going to say exhausted,
Speaker 1: but fatigue's even better. We are so fatigued by just
Speaker 1: I mean, for lack of a better word, the bullsh
Speaker 1: that you're having to deal with in the dating apps.
Speaker 1: From what I understand, I'm not on them, but it's
Speaker 1: like drinking from a fire heightrant. It's just too much.
Speaker 1: You're inundated with it. And like you said, it's like
Speaker 1: a menu people are just swiping through. So let's say
Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. I'm going to step up my game.
Speaker 1: I'm going to call Keller her. I'm a client. What
Speaker 1: is the process? Walk me through it.
Speaker 2: Your entire life changes instantly.
Speaker 1: Bluebirds on my shoulder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all of a sudden, it's color, the world's color.
Speaker 2: It's a very good process for anybody and everybody to
Speaker 2: go through because when we write about ourselves on a form,
Speaker 2: let's say that we're going to put on Tinder or
Speaker 2: Match or whatever it is, we put who we want
Speaker 2: people to perceive us as. We never really put who
Speaker 2: we truly are. Yeah, so when you don't really relate
Speaker 2: with who you truly are, it's very hard to attract
Speaker 2: the right partner because you're going to keep attracting people
Speaker 2: that are going to show you through afflection what you're missing.
Speaker 2: They're going to show you through reflection what your dysfunctions are,
Speaker 2: and you keep blaming that person, but meanwhile, you haven't
Speaker 2: been honest with yourself. So in the beginning, when you
Speaker 2: join Kellor Her, we have a consultation on the phone,
Speaker 2: which is really enlightening for a lot of people because
Speaker 2: they feel safe and they feel like there's actually a
Speaker 2: chance to talk to somebody who can see them for
Speaker 2: who they are, who can appre shape them for who
Speaker 2: they are. Everybody deserves. So my mom always says, there's
Speaker 2: a lid for every pot. So you know, if you're
Speaker 2: honest with yourself and you are not a bullshitter, then
Speaker 2: you will find your match. And what's nice about Kellihers
Speaker 2: you start with that process. Then we get, you know, photographs.
Speaker 2: Some people want to have professional photos taken. That's fine.
Speaker 2: We don't show photos to other matches. It's not like
Speaker 2: we're sending Chris Harrison's photo out to everybody. A lot
Speaker 2: of people that are high celebrities that we don't even
Speaker 2: say their last name. You know, we would say Chris
Speaker 2: is great. He comes from the entertainment business. You know,
Speaker 2: he loves love, he's a family man, and he's he's
Speaker 2: got a great podcast. We would describe who you are,
Speaker 2: the things that you like to do, and the outdoors
Speaker 2: and all this. We wouldn't put who Hollywood or who
Speaker 2: People Magazine perceives you as, right, because that's yeah, that's
Speaker 2: not really who you are, right. So okay, so it
Speaker 2: starts with that, and then what ends up happening is, well,
Speaker 2: first of all, give you kind of a little bit
Speaker 2: of a higher level. We get about twenty thousand unique
Speaker 2: visits month to our website. Okay, there's no way we
Speaker 2: can take twenty thousand people, right, So we have software
Speaker 2: that narrows it down to about a thousand that might
Speaker 2: actually be good fits. But we still can't talk to
Speaker 2: a thousand people, So we talk to about one hundred,
Speaker 2: and we base that really on cities that make sense
Speaker 2: for us age, that makes SEMs for us marital status
Speaker 2: of course, being single enough money to be able to
Speaker 2: afford matchmaking. But you can join for free. I'll just
Speaker 2: throw that out there in case we forget to get back
Speaker 2: to that. You can be in our files for free.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of categories that boom boom boom
Speaker 2: always in at twenty thousand dollars, and then there's like
Speaker 2: one hundred people that you actually want to talk to,
Speaker 2: and out of that hundred, we take about twenty five.
Speaker 2: And so when we're having those conversations, it's really about
Speaker 2: are you ready? It's really about do you know who
Speaker 2: you are? It's really about are you in love with
Speaker 2: who you are? Are you okay and happy with who
Speaker 2: you are? Because that's the person that we want to match.
Speaker 2: And if you're not, then maybe we do a little
Speaker 2: bit of coaching. If we're not, then maybe we show
Speaker 2: you the reasons why you keep choosing the wrong person.
Speaker 2: I had a guy say I'm joining for you to
Speaker 2: protect me from myself. I said, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: He said, I walk into a room every single time,
Speaker 2: there'd be one hundred beautiful girls. I'll choose the wrong
Speaker 2: one every single time.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, you know this. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of parallels in our life because one of the things
Speaker 1: that I found often on The Bachelor was that we
Speaker 1: have an idea when we go into a room, like
Speaker 1: you just said, of what we want. I always date blonde,
Speaker 1: I'm always with brunettes or whatever. I like athletic or
Speaker 1: I like this. It's really funny because oftentimes they didn't
Speaker 1: know what they really wanted and they didn't realize, you
Speaker 1: know what, you're just always dating your mom or you're
Speaker 1: always you know, it's like you have these dysfunctions that
Speaker 1: you're always falling into these same traps. And so that's
Speaker 1: what that's what we found compelling on The Bachelor is
Speaker 1: because oftentimes you don't know what's best for you, which
Speaker 1: is why, Yeah, you've ended up in this situation, and
Speaker 1: so you cut. You do have to cut through the
Speaker 1: bs to figure out what is this person really looking
Speaker 1: for and you really have to kind of have to
Speaker 1: slap them upside the head and put it in front
Speaker 1: of them to.
Speaker 2: See that exactly exactly. So we call it a journey.
Speaker 2: It is an adventure, but it's a journey. So it's
Speaker 2: not like, oh, I'm wealthy, I'm going to pay you
Speaker 2: in I deserve, I deserve to have a match. It's like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to work with you. We're going to do
Speaker 2: this together. We're going to dive into all the things
Speaker 2: that worked about past relationships, things that you were missing
Speaker 2: in those relationships. Any any sort of not we all
Speaker 2: have dysfunctions, but anything that might trip you up. And
Speaker 2: then you're really good at being more discerning and you're
Speaker 2: really good at not wasting your time because we are
Speaker 2: very good at what we do and we're able to
Speaker 2: kind of get rid of the the you know, the
Speaker 2: riff raff, and so our clients learn how to do
Speaker 2: that as well, and so they end up happier about themselves,
Speaker 2: more confident about themselves. And then they start actually meeting
Speaker 2: people on their own while they're with us, and they're like,
Speaker 2: this never happens. And it's because they have this like
Speaker 2: new excitement and they're inspired that actually love is real
Speaker 2: and it can happen to them. And I think that
Speaker 2: that's why it's a little bit of an adventure as
Speaker 2: well as a journey. But just to finish what we
Speaker 2: do is then then we match you based on you know,
Speaker 2: who you are and where you live and all that.
Speaker 2: We've got match makers all over the United States and
Speaker 2: almost all the major cities, and then of course we're
Speaker 2: overseas and like London and places like that, but we
Speaker 2: work with people anywhere from one to two years. It
Speaker 2: shouldn't take longer than that. Sometimes people don't really want
Speaker 2: to rush. Not everybody wants to get married. But we
Speaker 2: match you and then we talk to you. Why'd you think, Chris?
Speaker 2: What'd you like? What didn't you like? What were their expectations?
Speaker 2: What you know? And we have a real conversation. And
Speaker 2: instead of a psychiatrist that gets to hear their client
Speaker 2: complain about every single guy that never calls her back
Speaker 2: and she's the greatest match and she doesn't understand why
Speaker 2: none of the guys can figure it out, and she
Speaker 2: only hears that girl's story, we're the fly on the wall.
Speaker 2: We get to hear what he thought about her host sides,
Speaker 2: both sides, and then we go, well, actually, did you
Speaker 2: know you were extremely rude to the staff, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like we can rush And then they go, yeah,
Speaker 2: you did ask him a single question, you had three
Speaker 2: drinks before your first entree. And then they kind of go,
Speaker 2: I did anyway, So you do learn about yourself and
Speaker 2: it is exciting and we bring love to you.
Speaker 1: Cutting through the riff raff is interesting because that is
Speaker 1: something you know. I have friends, very successful friends, and
Speaker 1: they talk about dating and I'm like, you're what you
Speaker 1: want is a plaything, you're not really serious about a relationship.
Speaker 1: And you get some of these high powered CEOs men
Speaker 1: and women and they're just they want life their way
Speaker 1: and they are used to earn money at it. And
Speaker 1: that's who you're dealing with, is some of these very
Speaker 1: powerful people. How do you cut these people to the
Speaker 1: quick and say no, no, this isn't how we're going
Speaker 1: to go about this.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point, Chris, because people that are
Speaker 2: extremely successful in their careers expect to be the same
Speaker 2: amount of success. We actually did a twenty twenty show
Speaker 2: years ago, and you know, it's not often clients will
Speaker 2: go on TV, but this gentleman was willing to do it.
Speaker 2: And I forget the name of the woman that stars
Speaker 2: on twenty twenty, but she sat him down in a chair.
Speaker 2: And of course we can't tell a you know, a
Speaker 2: journalist what to say, right, We're just like taking our
Speaker 2: wrists the whole time. And she says, she says, why
Speaker 2: would you pay? Why would you rich, good looking car house?
Speaker 2: Why would you pay for a match? And I, my
Speaker 2: mom and I are start just like saying because we
Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, I didn't like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And we were just like looking like this, and he says,
Speaker 2: I grew up and I was told getting a PhD
Speaker 2: was going to be tough. I was told starting a
Speaker 2: career was going to be tough. I was told being
Speaker 2: successful was going to be tough. Buying a house was
Speaker 2: going to be tough, getting the car and he says,
Speaker 2: that was easy. Nobody taught me about finding love. And
Speaker 2: he said, and I don't want to just end up
Speaker 2: with anybody. I worked so hard my whole life. I
Speaker 2: want to share it with the right person. And she
Speaker 2: just went, oh, like that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I just smiled and we're like, oh my god, because
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to go I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, like I just they seemed nice and you know,
Speaker 2: and uh, but that's how they think about it. They
Speaker 2: they go, you know, I'm successful in everything, but something,
Speaker 2: something's not clicking here. And so we remind them. We
Speaker 2: don't have to slap them out of it, but we
Speaker 2: remind them that love is not business, that love is
Speaker 2: of the heart, that love is anything but a business deal.
Speaker 2: I think when I think when you're in a marriage,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of business techniques can come in
Speaker 2: and really be helpful, especially with finances and who's in
Speaker 2: charge of what and kids, and you know, it gets
Speaker 2: all complicated. So having some sort of business savviness, but
Speaker 2: when you're just going for love and your heart and
Speaker 2: being vulnerable and being seen for who you truly are,
Speaker 2: you have to not look at it as a business transaction.
Speaker 2: And you can't speak like a business transaction. If a
Speaker 2: gentleman calls a woman to make a date, she can't
Speaker 2: schedule you in on Thursday at six right, right, And
Speaker 2: she shouldn't go from work to and neither should he.
Speaker 2: You should go home. You should take a shower, You
Speaker 2: should listen to some music. You should put some clothes
Speaker 2: on that are nice. You should think about how exciting
Speaker 2: it's going to be to meet somebody, and you should
Speaker 2: walk out that door having nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: business of the day.
Speaker 1: I wish life was that simple for most people. I
Speaker 1: do have to ask you a couple like celebrity gossipy
Speaker 1: relationship questions, your take, your initial take on Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: and Travis What do you think?
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, did you have to ask me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think that they're a really great couple.
Speaker 2: I think that they are in life. I think that
Speaker 2: it is real, but I think it didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: like the connection to the pharmaceutical companies. I don't like
Speaker 2: the connection to the you know, when Harris got off
Speaker 2: the plane, they said it was gonna be a Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift concert and everybody showed up and they're like, where's Taylor.
Speaker 2: I don't like how they are being used and how
Speaker 2: they're maybe even agreeing to be used politically and and
Speaker 2: for things like vaccines and stuff. I think it's I
Speaker 2: think it becomes icky. And then I start thinking, is
Speaker 2: this a manufactured, you know, relationship with that could otherwise
Speaker 2: just be super cute? But like, you know, are they
Speaker 2: trying to you know, why do we need to have
Speaker 2: swifties at football? Like just do you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 2: I think that it is a way out of control.
Speaker 1: I agree with the sincerity of it. I ran into him.
Speaker 1: We were at the same golf tournament and I ran
Speaker 1: into Travis and Jason, the two brothers, and genuine guy,
Speaker 1: and he's I think he's just loving life and having
Speaker 1: a blast. And I think it takes, you know, speaking
Speaker 1: of matchmaking, it takes someone that could handle that spotlight
Speaker 1: and that Aura, because Taylor's the most famous woman in
Speaker 1: the world right now. She's on the level of the Beatles.
Speaker 1: It's insane. We've never seen anything like it in our generation,
Speaker 1: and so who could handle that heat. It's either you're
Speaker 1: hidden away and no one's ever heard of you, and
Speaker 1: that's a disaster because that's toxic, or it's someone who
Speaker 1: can is so big and his shoulders are so broad
Speaker 1: that he can handle the swifty Nation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's genuine, and I think it's
Speaker 2: really cute, but I feel as though there's other pressing
Speaker 2: things that are.
Speaker 1: Tugging at them. Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's not his job to tell everybody
Speaker 2: to go get vaccinated. It's like, you just won the
Speaker 2: football game. Is this the new thing? I'm going to
Speaker 2: Disneyland instead. It's like they'll get your shot.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm like, what is he doing?
Speaker 2: I just I just because you there's so much polarization already, like,
Speaker 2: let these two just be in love and stop using them.
Speaker 2: So I get very defensive when I see somebody as
Speaker 2: as as talented as her and has and as awesome
Speaker 2: as he is, and I think that they're both really
Speaker 2: nice people, and I think they both are really in love,
Speaker 2: but I'm very scared with how they're being used.
Speaker 1: This next couple. I won't ask if you're surprised, because
Speaker 1: nobody's surprised that Ben and Jayla were divorced. That was
Speaker 1: something that we all saw, that train coming down the track.
Speaker 1: I guess my question would be what could you do
Speaker 1: to help Ben? And I think Jaylo's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: I think Jaylo's fine. Ben is I don't know. I
Speaker 1: find him this kind of sad, tragic story or I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do we how do we help this young man?
Speaker 1: I know he's not young.
Speaker 2: I think it's the opposite. I think, okay, I think
Speaker 2: Ben's going to be fine. I think he was like,
Speaker 2: what the heck was I thinking? And Jen's like I
Speaker 2: have a reputation and I have an ego, and I
Speaker 2: have this and then that, and now it's now it's
Speaker 2: it's crushing him. My concerts aren't going as well and
Speaker 2: I had to cancel this. And now I think she's
Speaker 2: probably like, oh my god, what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: Because she has a certain image. Ben's like, whatever, I
Speaker 2: married this woman because I was so in love with
Speaker 2: her and so infatuated I didn't even realize how messed
Speaker 2: up this was. Yeah, And now he's like so he's
Speaker 2: just like I'm going to walk over here and just
Speaker 2: take a deep breath.
Speaker 1: And she's scrambling back to Duncan Donuts to yeah fact.
Speaker 2: And I think whatever he does and wherever he goes,
Speaker 2: he will feel better than where he came from.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that.
Speaker 2: And I don't think he gives a rat's ass what
Speaker 2: he looks like or is thought of. But I think
Speaker 2: she's scrambling and I feel for her because she wanted
Speaker 2: that more than anything in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like me, you are very good at reading
Speaker 1: body language. Now, it's just it's a trait that you
Speaker 1: get after so many years of watching people. And his
Speaker 1: body language was just if you could stick a caption over,
Speaker 1: just be miserable. Just he looked miserable. It's like blink
Speaker 1: twice if you need out, And it was like, just
Speaker 1: let this say, man go.
Speaker 2: If he's a Dunkin Donuts with a cup of coffee,
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I'm actually good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a cigarette, a cup of coffee, and a Dunkin Donut.
Speaker 1: He feels like, oh thank god, I'm free. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening right now are single, and
Speaker 1: many listening I just went through a breakup or divorce
Speaker 1: and they're back on the scene and it is daunting.
Speaker 1: So give me some steps for people that are just
Speaker 1: getting back on the scene. Like I remember when I
Speaker 1: first got divorced, I'd been married for twenty years, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm hosting the most famous love show on
Speaker 1: television and I don't really even know how to do this.
Speaker 1: It's like I hadn't done it in twenty years. I
Speaker 1: hadn't done it since the nineties. So where do people start?
Speaker 1: Because you know, the apps are daunting, The whole thing
Speaker 1: is daunting.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, nobody knows how to do it,
Speaker 2: and if they did know how to do it, then
Speaker 2: they would only go out and do it once, right, right.
Speaker 2: The ones that are good at doing it are actually
Speaker 2: the worst because they keep they keep going out and
Speaker 2: doing something wrong. So I think my advice is a
Speaker 2: little bit different than what most people would think. And
Speaker 2: I think it's really important for people to understand that
Speaker 2: their energy and their mindset and their I don't want
Speaker 2: to get to fufu like your aura and all this,
Speaker 2: but you know, people have a certain energy about them
Speaker 2: when they walk in the room, and it really is
Speaker 2: important that that's why you need to be happy with yourself.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't go date to go find somebody that's going
Speaker 2: to make you happy, right because that person isn't going
Speaker 2: to be the right match for you, right. You need
Speaker 2: to be happy first. So what my advice would be
Speaker 2: is really do a self dive if you can't afford
Speaker 2: a match making firm. Kelliher International is not the only
Speaker 2: matchmaking firm. To your point, we're the best, We've been
Speaker 2: around the longest. We're expensive, and we work with really
Speaker 2: high end, very successful entrepreneurs that travel the world and
Speaker 2: kind of have it all and it's been a very
Speaker 2: interesting career and I love it. And you can join
Speaker 2: for free because lots of our clients want to meet
Speaker 2: somebody that might not be in their income bracket, and
Speaker 2: so you know, we're able to go outside of the group.
Speaker 2: We're a search for ultimately. But I think that for anybody,
Speaker 2: whether you join matchmaking, especially when you join matchmaking because
Speaker 2: now you've got money on the line, or whether you're
Speaker 2: just going out there and trying a dating app or
Speaker 2: just trying to meet people at a bar, you have
Speaker 2: to do a self dive, you have to think about
Speaker 2: what makes me happy. And you know what a vision
Speaker 2: board is, right, So if you do a vision board,
Speaker 2: a lot of people say he has to be handsome,
Speaker 2: or she has to be the prettiest girl in the room,
Speaker 2: or he has to have a you know, he has
Speaker 2: to have a doctor's degree, or she needs to have
Speaker 2: her own business. Yeah, six foot three, da da da dah.
Speaker 2: So that's fine. You can put all of the things
Speaker 2: that you want. But what that is is not an energy.
Speaker 2: What that is is a label, okay, and that label
Speaker 2: doesn't have any sort of connection to anything other than
Speaker 2: for you to be like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: go down the list. He's not this, he's not that,
Speaker 2: she's not this, she's not that. And so there really
Speaker 2: isn't anything inspiring. There isn't anything loving, There isn't anything
Speaker 2: attracting it. But if you think about why do I
Speaker 2: want him to be tall? Well, I want to feel protected.
Speaker 2: Oh now there's an emotion. Okay, I want her to
Speaker 2: be really beautiful. Why Well, like you said, my mother
Speaker 2: was really beautiful. Oh so there's a familiarity. So you
Speaker 2: want to find what is the emotion behind that.
Speaker 1: People look at you and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So now you want to you want to feel confident,
Speaker 2: So that means you probably are a little bit insecure, right,
Speaker 2: So what so if you can get to the emotion
Speaker 2: of what that really is, because when we say we
Speaker 2: want to make a lot of money and we want
Speaker 2: to have this, really all that matters is that we
Speaker 2: want to be happy, right, And some people are happy
Speaker 2: with a lot of money and some people are happy without.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that they're happy. So if
Speaker 2: you can figure out what are all these silly little
Speaker 2: things that I'm listing on all these dating apps, and
Speaker 2: what does any of this mean? And then you can
Speaker 2: figure out the emotion behind it, and you can get
Speaker 2: in touch with that emotion and think about that when
Speaker 2: you walk out the door, you'll start to attract people
Speaker 2: that will give you that confidence, that will give you
Speaker 2: that sense of familiarity, that will give you, you know,
Speaker 2: the protection, because those are emotions that can actually attract.
Speaker 2: There is a real thing called law of attraction, and
Speaker 2: I've watched it with couples for twenty twenty five twenty
Speaker 2: seven years.
Speaker 1: It's real interesting to figure that out. With the moment
Speaker 1: you see them. I mean, if they're looking down their
Speaker 1: shoulder and you just tell if they're ten, you're like, okay.
Speaker 1: Or if someone's open and bright and looking around and
Speaker 1: ready to take in the world, like you get that,
Speaker 1: you can feel that for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that's really and anybody can do it.
Speaker 2: Anybody can do a self reflection. Anybody can look at
Speaker 2: their list and then once you write that list down
Speaker 2: and then you figure what that emotion is and you
Speaker 2: put the list away, put it in the drawer, and
Speaker 2: don't even think about it anymore, and really just know
Speaker 2: that you're going to meet somebody, and be excited about
Speaker 2: meeting somebody, and every night when you go to sleep,
Speaker 2: think about how great it's going to be when they're
Speaker 2: sharing the bed with you, because that's how you get there.
Speaker 1: How is it different dealing with I mean, I hate
Speaker 1: to say regular people in celebrities, but you have dealt
Speaker 1: with a lot of celebrities. How to copy is one
Speaker 1: of your famous ones that you've helped, and you've dealt
Speaker 1: with many, many, many others. What's the difference in the
Speaker 1: celebrity world versus just the CEO world. They're all and
Speaker 1: I want to hear your take on it that I
Speaker 1: have something to add to it.
Speaker 2: I think, no, what were you going to say, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's funny, is I mean?
Speaker 1: I think people have this idea. I remember Charlie's thrown
Speaker 1: years ago. She had mentioned something about The Bachelor and
Speaker 1: someone said something she was a fan of the show
Speaker 1: at the time, and she said, I can't find a date,
Speaker 1: you know, because no one asked me out. I think
Speaker 1: people have this idea that these people are on a take,
Speaker 1: they are above reproach. They are And the truth is
Speaker 1: they they actually well, they don't want to be treated
Speaker 1: like everybody else for a majority of their life, but
Speaker 1: in a but in the emotional side, they do want
Speaker 1: to be treated by like everybody else. They just want
Speaker 1: to be They want someone to buy them a drink,
Speaker 1: they want someone to open a door, they want someone
Speaker 1: to buy them dinner, they want to go to a show.
Speaker 1: They want the same things. But I think people feel
Speaker 1: like there is this aura around them that like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Jennifer Aniston doesn't do that, Charlie's Starren walks
Speaker 1: on water, she doesn't do those things. The truth is
Speaker 1: they do and they're vulnerable and they're insecure, just like
Speaker 1: anybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they put their pants on one leg at a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just cost more.
Speaker 2: It's true. I was down at the Mirrormar here in Montecita,
Speaker 2: where I live, and I picked up a pair of
Speaker 2: pants in one of the stores and they were seven
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Okay, looking at that, right, But you're spot
Speaker 2: on with with celebrities, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: like Charlice might say that, and she might meet it
Speaker 2: in the moment, but if a guy walked up to
Speaker 2: buy her a drink, she also might not say okay.
Speaker 2: So it's a very interesting dynamic where they want to
Speaker 2: be the same, but they don't act the same. And
Speaker 2: and you know it's interesting. I'm a philanthropic partners with
Speaker 2: Sir Richard Branson, who's my favorite partner, and when the
Speaker 2: Ready for Love did not continue, I went on to
Speaker 2: work with Richard. So things always happen for a reason.
Speaker 2: You know, one door closes, the next one opens. One
Speaker 2: of the interesting things with Richard is that we bring
Speaker 2: celebrities to the island, but we have to understand their
Speaker 2: personalities just like matchmaking, because they're going to be in
Speaker 2: a setting with a bunch of entrepreneurs for five days.
Speaker 2: And we can't have them behave like a celebrity, right
Speaker 2: because nobody cares because these guys are the biggest and
Speaker 2: best and brightest in their businesses and they don't. They
Speaker 2: kind of look down on a celebrity. Actually, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, okay, so you are in a movie, like,
Speaker 2: so what, so you're pretty right.
Speaker 1: You probably dropped out of high school, you didn't get
Speaker 1: a college education, and you're a good actor or actress.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nowadays, with the whole thing that's going on with
Speaker 2: the women coming out and saying how they actually did
Speaker 2: get into the movies, you're like, oh, okay, so this
Speaker 2: is maybe fark really bad. So but I had a
Speaker 2: huge celebrity tell me. And I've actually had two big
Speaker 2: celebrities kind of say the same thing. One who's an
Speaker 2: entertainer and probably top ten in the world. He said
Speaker 2: that when he comes home to his home in it's
Speaker 2: in the East Coast, and he closes the door, he
Speaker 2: sits in his library, and his library is just I
Speaker 2: don't know, probably thousands of square feet and it echoes.
Speaker 2: And he said he can hear how alone he is
Speaker 2: because as a singer songwriter, he's very attuned to his
Speaker 2: ear and he said it's it's his favorite place to go,
Speaker 2: but it's a very sad place because he goes from
Speaker 2: these huge concerts with you know, hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: fans screaming, and then he goes home and he goes
Speaker 2: into the library to have a cup of coffee and
Speaker 2: he can hear how alone he is. But he also
Speaker 2: can't really date his fans, So it is, it is,
Speaker 2: It is difficult. Another one which was a big sports
Speaker 2: guy that was in parade. You know, you win the
Speaker 2: trophy and the whole thing, and then and then everyone's like,
Speaker 2: ah'm touching you, touching you, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he closes the door and then they're like they're alone
Speaker 2: and they're silent. So I think that they crave love more.
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to really go out in public and
Speaker 2: just randomly date because the press is on it like
Speaker 2: is this the one? Who is this? So they have
Speaker 2: to really protect themselves. When we match them, it's very
Speaker 2: private and we get them to at least so called
Speaker 2: the third date in terms of the first date being
Speaker 2: informed enough to feel like it's a third date. So
Speaker 2: we do really well with celebrities because they're not having
Speaker 2: to test the waters as if they were going out.
Speaker 2: And even when friends introduce friends, they might like this
Speaker 2: person and they might like that person and think that
Speaker 2: you guys are going to like each other, but that's
Speaker 2: not how it works. You have to think side of
Speaker 2: the brain of that individual and what their needs are.
Speaker 2: And you can't just match two of your friends together.
Speaker 2: And that's why matching friends works, but it also really
Speaker 2: doesn't quite quite often.
Speaker 1: And how do you prep because this is something that
Speaker 1: that I went through and dealt with on a smaller scale,
Speaker 1: just because I was on the Bachelor when I started dating,
Speaker 1: when I was dating, how do you prep the women
Speaker 1: or the man whoever is dating the celebrity to approach
Speaker 1: that and deal with that? Like I truly I went
Speaker 1: on a date one night and I tell the story
Speaker 1: often because it was so funny, But I you know,
Speaker 1: what's one of the first things you would do if
Speaker 1: you went on a date, like, oh, eb, what do
Speaker 1: you do for a living? What do you know? What
Speaker 1: are your hobbies, what are your passions? What do you do?
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you buying this nice steak dinner
Speaker 1: we're having? I would want to know that. And I
Speaker 1: asking these questions, and this person I was on a
Speaker 1: date with literally didn't ask me one question about myself
Speaker 1: the entire time, and to the point of clearly she knew.
Speaker 1: So it gets to the point where you know that
Speaker 1: they know they're avoiding it like the plague. And it
Speaker 1: was really funny because even they took our plates away,
Speaker 1: and before dessert came that this table, this nice couple
Speaker 1: sitting right next to us just leaned over and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: didn't want to bother during dinner, but love your show.
Speaker 1: We've always loved the batche Da da da da da.
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, this, thank you so much, and
Speaker 1: they would they we didn't want to interrupt us, not
Speaker 1: interrupting at all, and they leave and I said, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, I'm sorry they interrupted, and she said oh,
Speaker 1: and still didn't pick up, like, didn't take it off
Speaker 1: at all, like, oh, what do you do? That's weird.
Speaker 1: Why would they know you?
Speaker 2: Did she know who you were? Though? Like in the end,
Speaker 2: did she understand.
Speaker 1: She had to have, because she never even to the
Speaker 1: point where I just ran to valet and I couldn't
Speaker 1: get in my car and get away fast enough. Clearly,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't a second date because there was the
Speaker 1: entire dinner, not one personal question.
Speaker 2: It was so bizarre, and she'll continue to do that
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, thinking all the guys suck.
Speaker 1: But clearly she either knew who I was and what
Speaker 1: I did prior to the day, and I'm guessing because
Speaker 1: we were set up on this date, so she didn't
Speaker 1: come into it blind and or she was just so
Speaker 1: oblivious to the world and how to be social. But
Speaker 1: my guess it was the prior And so I guess
Speaker 1: My question is that is usually a thing. Say someone's
Speaker 1: going out with I don't know Charlie's Darin. We'll just
Speaker 1: keep picking on her. I don't know her, by the way,
Speaker 1: But how would you prep somebody going on a date
Speaker 1: in that situation? Okay, you know who you're going on
Speaker 1: a date with. How do you not make it a
Speaker 1: big deal but don't act like you don't know?
Speaker 2: Well, this is where I think our brand is a
Speaker 2: little bit different than as a relationship expert, I would
Speaker 2: answer that differently than how we do it at Kellaher.
Speaker 2: So remember when we said we talked about one hundred
Speaker 2: people and we choose about two twenty five. If anybody
Speaker 2: is going to feel socially awkward or not really be
Speaker 2: able to hold their own at dinner. They're not going
Speaker 2: to make it into our group because we don't have
Speaker 2: time to coach in that way. We have time to
Speaker 2: coach in how to be bigger, better, stronger, but like
Speaker 2: in terms of just general like you know, get your
Speaker 2: feet wet, get out there. It's you almost have to
Speaker 2: date a lot with something like that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, You have to go meet ten guys in
Speaker 2: a row to be able to understand like the different
Speaker 2: idiosyncrasies about personalities, how they're going to ask you questions
Speaker 2: a little differently, and you got to bounce it off.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you got to go to a trade
Speaker 2: schools figure out how to date. So so as a
Speaker 2: relationship expert, I would dive in and I would work
Speaker 2: with that person and I'd figure out, you know, what
Speaker 2: was her impression of that date that night. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the really fun part about being a matchmaker or
Speaker 2: anybody in relationships is we get to ask all the
Speaker 2: questions and so with that information we would we would
Speaker 2: turn around and give them. But with Kellor her, we
Speaker 2: don't really prepare people for dates because they would be like,
Speaker 2: why are you telling me how to date? They would
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, but but everybody messes up.
Speaker 2: So let's say somebody you know makes a mistake, we
Speaker 2: would be like, ah, I probably forgot that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's raining, and he left in his car first because
Speaker 2: he gave the valet his ticket, and then she's standing
Speaker 2: there and he probably didn't think about it. And now
Speaker 2: he's gone and she's like whatever, I'm now standing in
Speaker 2: the rain waiting for my car, and for her it
Speaker 2: left a bad last impression, right. Well, if he and
Speaker 2: for him, he could be like, I know that was
Speaker 2: really dumb. I didn't know what to do. I got
Speaker 2: in the car. So we can have that conversation. But
Speaker 2: if a gentleman is rude and just dismissive at the
Speaker 2: end of every single date, now we have a pattern.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that our clients are perfect or
Speaker 2: that they don't have faults, but we'll find them very quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you hear that feedback from both exactly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think love in general is something that
Speaker 2: everybody wants, everybody deserves, everybody needs. It starts when we're
Speaker 2: really young, and you know, people find love at least
Speaker 2: through her in their seventies and their eighties. There's really
Speaker 2: no end to when you can have you know you
Speaker 2: guys did the you know the even though unfortunately didn't
Speaker 2: work out, but the Golden Bachelor, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, I can be in
Speaker 2: my sixties and seventies and fine. Love. Of course you
Speaker 2: can't happens all the time, maybe not in front of
Speaker 2: the world, but so I just think that being in
Speaker 2: the love business is so great.
Speaker 1: Well, like you said, not everybody has to get married too,
Speaker 1: and I love that, Like you now, as you get older,
Speaker 1: people you know, can be very honest about what they're
Speaker 1: looking for. Of like, I just want a companion. I
Speaker 1: want to live out my days with somebody and share
Speaker 1: my life. And you can talk about maybe at a
Speaker 1: certain age you can't perform anymore. It's like physicalities off
Speaker 1: the table. But I want to share my life and
Speaker 1: be into me so much. Yeah, in other ways, and
Speaker 1: that's a that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: I just was in Hawaii two days ago on September fourth,
Speaker 2: which was a Labor Day. My husband and I celebrated
Speaker 2: our twenty five year congregulating anniversary.
Speaker 1: We're coming up on our first Oh good.
Speaker 2: That's good. But we actually when I moved to Los
Speaker 2: Angeles was kind of in the in the business, like
Speaker 2: when you were. We moved in together in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: So we're actually celebrating thirty four years together.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: But we spent nine traveling and living together and going
Speaker 2: around the world and before we got married. So nine
Speaker 2: years in when we gave out wedding invites, everyone's like, wait,
Speaker 2: you're you're not married. That's you didn't at some point
Speaker 2: you guys get married. It's like, nope, we haven't done yet.
Speaker 2: So it was really fun to go back to Kawai
Speaker 2: and celebrate and you're exactly right. There's you know, thirty
Speaker 2: four years, thirty five years with somebody. There's we've gone
Speaker 2: through so much. We've gone through we have so many
Speaker 2: children and so much, you know, illnesses and surprises and gosh,
Speaker 2: to have someone with you, especially through times like COVID
Speaker 2: and through when uncertainty and stock markets and you know,
Speaker 2: pandemics and having someone by your side is really important
Speaker 2: and it's really it makes you feel, you know, like
Speaker 2: you're going to be okay, and it's never too late.
Speaker 2: And there's never somebody that doesn't deserve to have love
Speaker 2: and to be loved, and so it's really important that
Speaker 2: everybody knows that they've got a chance and it will
Speaker 2: happen to them if they can find that love inside themselves.
Speaker 1: Very well said and a great note to end on.
Speaker 1: I always said, that's why, you know, when I wrote
Speaker 1: my romance novel, That's why the Bachelor does well. There's
Speaker 1: an insatiable appetite for love because companionship is the thing
Speaker 1: we all want and we can all relate to, and
Speaker 1: we don't have it perfected, but you do. And that's
Speaker 1: why we come to you at keller Her International. Yes
Speaker 1: we can do it, and so like and I love
Speaker 1: that you said, Look, there are others out there. Keller
Speaker 1: Her International is the best in the world and they're
Speaker 1: all around the world, but y'all are expensive. But seek
Speaker 1: others out if you're in a place that maybe you
Speaker 1: can't get to kill her or whatever, you find it.
Speaker 1: And that is a great avenue because I think we
Speaker 1: see these dating apps and think that's the only way
Speaker 1: to do it. There are there's so much more of
Speaker 1: a personal emotional connection in touch with these dating services
Speaker 1: that do it right, So do your homework and go
Speaker 1: find one. I think that's a great avenue to go down.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, and it's so exciting to see
Speaker 2: you again.
Speaker 1: I know it's good to reconnect after all these years.
Speaker 1: And happy anniversary, Happy twenty fifth anniversary. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: It can work, even in Hollywood. It can work.
Speaker 2: It can work. It can work. It takes work, it does,
Speaker 2: no question, but it's worth it and it's amazing and Amber.
Speaker 1: If we do want to chase down keller Her, what's
Speaker 1: the best way, Well, Keller.
Speaker 2: I wore my shirt so that you know, people know
Speaker 2: how to spell it. It's k e l l e
Speaker 2: h e R. But we're on Instagram, we're on Twitter
Speaker 2: or x. But Kellerher hyphen International dot com is our website.
Speaker 2: So kellerherhyphen International dot com and you'll find us. And
Speaker 2: you know, we do events. We have a social club.
Speaker 2: We do events all over the world, really great events
Speaker 2: like from the Super Bowl to driving the top cars
Speaker 2: in the world, to going to the Grand Prix, to
Speaker 2: going to Necker Island, which I do with Richard Branson.
Speaker 2: We're going in two weeks, two and a half weeks
Speaker 2: where we're going to bring a group of thirty five,
Speaker 2: you know, business entrepreneurs and raise money for philanthropy. So
Speaker 2: they can come on board, and they can come on
Speaker 2: board for free, they can hire us, and maybe they
Speaker 2: can even do something socially with us.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a client because but I'm
Speaker 1: not single. But when you throw the big event here
Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas, and I know you guys are here
Speaker 1: because this is a hotbed for us, everybody, let me know.
Speaker 1: I'll help co host for Remula one Yes October yep,
Speaker 1: Formula one week.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to be there, so I will.
Speaker 2: I will. Like you know, the social club is for
Speaker 2: married people because we happen to know a lot of
Speaker 2: married people. It's kind of what we do. So and
Speaker 2: then they don't want to lose the connections because these
Speaker 2: people are extraordinary within the community and they're like, wait,
Speaker 2: I met somebody, but I don't want to really leave
Speaker 2: the community. And so when we do these events, whether
Speaker 2: they're Safaris with Richard in Africa or going to Formula
Speaker 2: one one, it doesn't matter if you're single or married.
Speaker 2: It's really about joining a community of people that have
Speaker 2: inspiration and the desire to make the world a better place,
Speaker 2: and there's usually something philanthropic involved in it, which is
Speaker 2: what I love to do.
Speaker 1: Well, Amber, thank you so much. It was great to
Speaker 1: catch up with you again. Your insight, your expertise. It
Speaker 1: is no wonder that you guys are as successful as
Speaker 1: you are there at Keller Hurt International. And I can't
Speaker 1: wait to be a part of the of this group someday.
Speaker 2: The social club we're gonna meet in Austin, Texas, Formula one.
Speaker 1: I'll buy the barbecue, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a deal. I can't wait. That's going to
Speaker 2: be fun. I can meet your wife. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: and congratulations on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thanks Amber, thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at
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