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Speaker 1: Okay, Hi, everybody, welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are in New York City. We're not in my

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Speaker 1: usual spot, but we are in a beautiful spot. We

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Speaker 1: have a lovely view and Caitlin's had a couple of sidecars.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what happens in the bar.

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Speaker 3: Are rare occasion, but you know, tosty Memorial Day we did.

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Speaker 2: Who serve?

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Speaker 1: We did? That's right, Happy Memorial Day to everyone who

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Speaker 1: served and is serving. And of course we also bumped

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Speaker 1: into a little common downstairs in the bar.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're in the mix like we are. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you know, you just have some slebrity account.

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Speaker 1: With Jennifer Hudson.

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Speaker 2: Little common little you know, connect the darts, connect.

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Speaker 1: The dice they were hapving. Maybe a sidecar as.

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Speaker 2: Well, could be could?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we are not in Paris, we are not

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Speaker 3: sadly sadly, but we're in New York City.

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Speaker 1: We do have to talk about, of course, what happened

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Speaker 1: last week before we get to the French Open and

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Speaker 1: what's going on there with all the shenanigans. You were,

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Speaker 1: of course away for the weekend. I was in Indiana

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Speaker 1: doing my you know, love of the liberty.

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Speaker 3: Rough life getting to fly with celebrity out to their games.

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Speaker 3: You know on the plane, do they have a stencil

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Speaker 3: on the side.

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Speaker 1: No, No, stencil is just all Delta, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: thank you Delta because they have done an amazing job

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Speaker 1: giving the charter flights to the w NBA players. But no, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: you were busy on the weekend. I was busy on

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Speaker 1: the weekend, which we were a bit late getting this out,

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Speaker 1: but we do have to talk about Novak Djokovic. He

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Speaker 1: joins a very very very special group of one hundred

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Speaker 1: plus titles on the A Top two where he joins

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Speaker 1: of course Raja Rafa and Jimmy Connors. Yes, people remember

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Speaker 1: that guy. That guy won so many tennis matches and

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Speaker 1: nine titles.

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Speaker 3: He won so many tennis matches, singles, Grand Slams, played

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Speaker 3: eight hundred. Yeah, I mean, this guy, we forget about

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Speaker 3: him a little bit, and I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: we can get into why, but just results themselves, they're

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Speaker 3: sort of staggering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is staggering. And the staggering part is that

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Speaker 1: he didn't win more Grand Slams. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: think about how many totonomous he won, he didn't win

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Speaker 1: more Grand Slams, but at the same time, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was going up against John McEnroe, and you know

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Speaker 1: Yvonne Landell and Matt's v Landa and all these great

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Speaker 1: champions from the past, and he was a little volatile,

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Speaker 1: but clearly he got the job done at regular autonomous

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Speaker 1: in fact that he has one hundred and nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy Caunors was kind of like our nick curious well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, but.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of as far as the personality is.

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Speaker 1: But when we're talking about work ethic, no one worked

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Speaker 3: And he had a mom who made sure that he

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Speaker 3: did not miss a tournament.

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Speaker 2: I said, serve, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Kid, this guy wanted to win. He wanted to win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jimmy Canors is somebody we don't actually talk very

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Speaker 3: much about, which is why I played will team tennis

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Speaker 1: What was he like? Interesting cat? You know, he would

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Speaker 1: like to have a side cow or two with us.

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Speaker 2: I believe, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 3: I the last I heard of Jimmy Connors is you

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Speaker 3: could buy a couple's massage with Jimmy Connors.

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Speaker 1: All of the things that I don't surprise me. Whatsover?

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Speaker 2: What do I want to do that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But then you get a massage here in Florida, you

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Speaker 3: get like, I don't know to hang out with Jim mccarnter's.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's you know, there's some speries I would want

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Speaker 1: to do that. I don't know where. You just keep

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Speaker 1: them to yourselves. I'm going to keep my Jimmy Connor

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Speaker 1: stories to myself. We'll look forward to them because he's fun.

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Speaker 2: Sure. So going back to Novak, yeah, tatle number one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he now has the record for Grand Slams, but

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Speaker 3: the tatos themselves not bad and.

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Speaker 1: A title he should not have won. No, I mean

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Speaker 1: he was down should Jube is playing out of his mind.

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Speaker 1: He's serving out of his mind. He has not lost

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Speaker 1: his serve the whole match. He gets up four to

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Speaker 1: Novak is literally falling over himself on the left side

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Speaker 1: Don't come in across court fourhand people, if you do

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Speaker 1: He comes in on the perfect shot, he has an

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Speaker 1: And you could just tell because Herbie is like a

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Speaker 1: do it today. It was like, what the hell? It

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Speaker 1: really do believe if he wins that point, he wins

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Speaker 1: won't beat this guy. Oh my god, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: I missed that shot. And then he didn't get any

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Speaker 1: and then on the game point, Novak played a typical

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Speaker 1: and it's like four all, and you're just like it's over.

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Speaker 3: It's over, even to the point that really matter what

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Speaker 3: the score is at that point, it's over.

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Speaker 1: Spiritually momentum, the fact that he's never beaten Novak, the

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Speaker 3: It's just like one of my favorite facts of this

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Speaker 3: like twenty years ago, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it was two thousand and five.

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Speaker 3: Two and six was against Nico Massu. Nico Massu maybe

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Speaker 3: you know him as having his own pro career. Maybe

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Speaker 3: you know him because he was Dominic teams coach for

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Speaker 3: a really long time. But now he is coaching who

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Speaker 3: the I don't want to call it a end because

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Speaker 3: we don't know how many more tournaments Novak Djokovic is

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Speaker 3: gonna play. But being there for the first because he

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Speaker 1: Losing side, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It sort of feels nuts.

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Speaker 3: It's like a little sort of tennis lorener that is classic.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that Andy Murray wasn't there as a coach.

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Speaker 3: Should we talk about the fact that Andy Murray got

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Speaker 1: They probably both realized that it wasn't working for the

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Speaker 1: know it didn't make sense at all, But look, Novak's

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Speaker 3: Bought you know, he's brought Andreas Andrea agacy.

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Speaker 1: He's done this. You know, he went back. I saw

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lovely, lovely guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they've been friends forever. They're about the same age,

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Speaker 1: But it's just like it was interesting to see him

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Speaker 3: I always thought it was so weird because Andy Murray,

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Speaker 3: Being crusty, like he doesn't need help doing that. He's

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Speaker 3: already that and Andy was great at that, but Novak

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Speaker 3: Andy great champion? No slate intended, but what could he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you could say that about anybody really,

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Speaker 2: And any more than him.

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Speaker 1: So there's no there's no greater player than him. The

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Connor's back out there, He's one, He's one return.

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Speaker 1: Of Jimmy's done his fair share of coaching.

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Speaker 3: Well we are, So what happened with Andy Roddick and

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Connors didn't coach Maria for a hot minute.

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Speaker 3: We were actually doing a racket event with Evan on

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Speaker 3: executive because she was asking answering a question about like, hey,

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Speaker 3: the entrepreneurial skill I most have taken from tennis.

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Speaker 1: Is to know when to call it interesting. For example,

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Speaker 3: Of and like Jimmy Connors was my coach, and I

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Speaker 2: Got a whole follow up. Yeah, can we get Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Connors in the pod?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, I mean he wanted to come on to

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Speaker 1: my show and Amazon, but we had to keep rescheduling it.

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Speaker 1: Not because of me.

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Speaker 2: Should we do it? Called that massage first and then.

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Speaker 1: Get a couple's massage going there with Jimmy. I just

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Speaker 1: you know, stories sometimes when you play World Team Tennis,

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Speaker 1: those stories will always stay with you because that's like,

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Speaker 3: At a certain point, it's like you've said all you

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: what's going on at the French can we talk about

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Speaker 1: the Nike outfits? Whoof? Woof? What I mean? Listen? They

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Speaker 1: Nike never misses this stuff. Sometimes once or twice they

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Speaker 1: Carlos looks like he's just like, hey, dad, can I

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Speaker 2: So bad, it's uniformly bad.

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Speaker 1: But who says, yeah, let's put the stripes across, Let's

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you think some you know, financial

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Speaker 1: you seen my Instagram lately? There's a window outside of

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Speaker 1: Paragon Sports of New There's a window outside of Paragon

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Speaker 1: they do have They have Arizona in whatever their baseball

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Speaker 1: You know, they're the only ones that won anything over

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Speaker 1: but Paragon Sports do better.

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Speaker 2: Do better? I do.

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Speaker 1: No, they're so good normally, not all the time, not

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Speaker 2: Hard is it a design? A black polish?

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Speaker 1: Better than the fucking zebra crossings they've got going on

437
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Speaker 1: today this tournament's.

438
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeh, rude. No, they just don't care. I think that's

439
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 2: sort of the issue. Okay, so I just jumping into

440
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 2: your well.

441
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Speaker 1: One thing that just struck me. When we're talking about

442
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 1: bad outfits, I was just thinking about the the extra uh,

443
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,359
Speaker 1: the extra Naomi Osaka was wearing today. It looked like

444
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 1: she had little windmills in her hair. Man, Like, I

445
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 1: just just atract from what you're trying to do. You

446
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 1: gotta win.

447
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,199
Speaker 2: The faster we get past Naomi, the better for me.

448
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: No, we need her in the game, and she's such

449
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 1: a great player, but I just need our conversation.

450
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh I'm not sure I have that many productive No.

451
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 1: Well, look, it was a good match, but I was

452
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 1: a one dealing with injuries over the months.

453
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Speaker 3: Took inspiration from seeing the RAFA plaque that did a

454
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 3: fantastic job honoring this man.

455
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 2: A lot of today's.

456
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 3: Social media, a lot of the time on court was

457
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,640
Speaker 3: spent honoring Rafa and his fourteen titles, the Rolling garras

458
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: they gave him obviously in a ceremony, but on the

459
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Speaker 3: court itself, on the Philippe Chatrier Stadium.

460
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: Court really starred Rolling Grass.

461
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: They did a implanted sort of imprinted slidemark and fourteen

462
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 3: title commemorative plack, absolutely brilliant, and they revealed it by

463
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 3: brushing off the clay just like it was.

464
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Speaker 1: So it was so brilliantly done. It was staleish and

465
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Speaker 1: there was a few things that I would have done

466
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Speaker 1: differently with the ceremony, but I thought that that was

467
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Speaker 1: whoever came up with that idea to Shay. To Shay.

468
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: It was just brilliant because every single player, now you know,

469
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: who would walk over that every time now would be Serena.

470
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: She was still playing because she was the only one

471
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Speaker 1: player that would walk over the side of the court

472
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: and she would walk back fourteen. I love that she

473
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: used to walk on the episode all the time.

474
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Speaker 2: All the time. I mean, listen, it's France.

475
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: So I'm really happy, and really, if we didn't have

476
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: like mimes or you know, uh, impromptu musical performance.

477
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: You never know, like there's that they made.

478
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: Of these butts, but it's so bad so it doesn't

479
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: even look like him.

480
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 3: No, it looks like the version of somebody who's yea,

481
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: his eyes are beaty.

482
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Speaker 2: It's nuts. So you know, it's not a guarantee they're

483
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: gonna nail it. They take they take chances. If anything.

484
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 3: One of the best things I read was Alejandro Davidovich.

485
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: His fellows said, because you know I struggle with them.

486
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: You have a hard time with this particular name.

487
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 3: He had some very critical words for the farewell uh

488
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Speaker 3: ceremony that accompanied Raffa's last match playing Davis cup In.

489
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Speaker 2: I want to say it was I was the Malaga.

490
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: They didn't do a thing. They didn't really the moment

491
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 3: he was gonna.

492
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Speaker 1: Well, they didn't want to do. They didn't want to

493
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: have it because they went shore that they were going

494
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: to lose and technically they probably should have won that match,

495
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: that's right.

496
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Speaker 3: So I felt, according to other Spaniards like kind of rush,

497
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 3: not the moment. So I speak for everyone in tennis.

498
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: I think when I say we all love ruff I

499
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 3: wanted him to get his moment, and he did.

500
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Speaker 1: The only people that don't like Ruffa are the very

501
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: very parochially big stands of Novak. You know, you still

502
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: get those people who that just right.

503
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: For You're still doing that, Yeah, you know.

504
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: But but I would say it's a very small percentage

505
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: of tennis fans if you don't like Ruffia and Nadal.

506
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: There's something literally mentally because no one, no one, no

507
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: one was more professional, no one was more uh respected

508
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: onto and he respected everyone. He walked on the.

509
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Speaker 2: Court with effort. Yeah, exactly, I'll see.

510
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Speaker 1: I'll get one little quick about one little quick thing

511
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: about that. That whole thing. I thought it was really

512
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: interesting that Rafa. One of the times that he got

513
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: really emotional was when they brought out because someone was like,

514
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: who are the people that were brought out before Rafa?

515
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Roger and Andy? And I said, all the staff that

516
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 1: worked the French open, so people that I recognized, there

517
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: were people that did the practice courts. A lot of

518
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: them were not nice just an fyi to me, but

519
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: to him they were really nice. Clearly he won a

520
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: lot there, so that helped.

521
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Speaker 2: We got some acts.

522
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Speaker 1: But the one that they did brought out, the one

523
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: they did bring out was a very nice young woman,

524
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: but like all those people that came out, like the

525
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: staff of the French Open, and he like got really emotional. Yeah,

526
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: and that shows you what kind of person he is.

527
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: Good that he was like, Oh, these are all the

528
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: people that I've that have helped me through the last.

529
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Speaker 3: I think it needs to the way that people talk about,

530
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: which was not only a champion who could like you know,

531
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Speaker 3: be present and succeed in like the most intense, biggest moments,

532
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: but a person for whom his workplace was sacrissing. Yeah.

533
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: And he treated everybody and held doors and looked people

534
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: in the eye and was cognizant of the fact that

535
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: this entire tour and tennis really writ large and I'm

536
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: sure all sports are really made up of people who

537
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, are workaday showing up, assigning practice courts, the

538
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: people who sort of make the tour function and the

539
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: sport function in.

540
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: A very basic way.

541
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Speaker 3: And I think for me, that's the legacy that Rafa leaves,

542
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: not only these amazing collection of fourteen titles, not all

543
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 3: the Grand Slams, but just the fact that he, as

544
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: a professional athlete, showed up every single day and put

545
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: is absolutely much into it as a human being.

546
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: Possibly could.

547
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: I mean, just you know, not a Rafa tribute moment,

548
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: but like you know, I was describing to a friend

549
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: this morning the radio way therapy he had to endure

550
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: on his feet towards the end of the.

551
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: Career, that he had just to walk on the on

552
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: the court. So to me, just.

553
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: The entirety of his career really is a testament to that.

554
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: And tying it back to Paula Badosa's today, my hope

555
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: for him is that obviously he has the academy named

556
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: after him, he has center courts named after him, He

557
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: has a legacy that will be you know, obviously remembered

558
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: for decades to come. But the fact that on the

559
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 3: very day that his retirements heremony took place, a fellow

560
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: Spaniard took the court, looked at the plaque on that

561
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: court and got inspired to dig out a win against

562
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Speaker 3: a very worthy, really impressive Naomi Osaka.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just come off winning a tournament.

564
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: Had come off winning a challenger tournament.

565
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: And to her credit, I mean, listen, the national surfaces

566
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: have never been her favorite, but she has worked her

567
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: ass off, gotten herself back into shape and has one

568
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: four Grand Slams. So the fact that Paul Badosa took

569
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: her down in four sets was inspired by Rafa, And yeah,

570
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: his plaque was really cool.

571
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Speaker 1: One thing that is interesting about that Naomi Saka thing

572
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about earlier was she went

573
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: into press and was very upset after the match and

574
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: cried and you know, got emotional about her loss. And

575
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting that she said, you

576
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: know something about Patrick mortaglus is Like she said, essentially,

577
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, here he was coaching like the greatest player

578
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: of all time and now I can't win a match

579
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing. That was her mindset, and I.

580
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: Was like, speaking of Serena essentially.

581
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, honey, if you're worrying about what

582
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: your coach is thinking and poor him because you're not

583
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: winning matches, she said, I feel like I've let everybody down,

584
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god. First of all, I

585
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: would be like, I don't fucking matter if I'm the coach.

586
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't fucking matter. There's got nothing to

587
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: do with me. You're still paying me, maybe, Uh, like

588
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing. You're doing great, Yeah, uh

589
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: we're If I don't worry about me. Like the fact

590
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: that she's even thinking that is razy, weird, like crazy,

591
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: which is another reason why I thought it was a

592
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: bad idea for her to hire him, because I think, honestly,

593
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: the reason she hired him because he was Serena's coach

594
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: and she admired and has looked up to Serena her

595
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: whole life and wants to, you know, be like Serena

596
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: and play like Serena and the whole thing. And to

597
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: the fact that she was, you know, decided to bring

598
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: him on. It was thinking that, oh, he's going to

599
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: turn her into Serena. That's crazy. You have to think

600
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: about yourself, like, don't worry about what everybody else is

601
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: thinking about you, or you're letting everyone down. That was

602
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: crazy for me to hear. I couldn't. I've never heard

603
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: a player say, oh, I feel bad for my coach.

604
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm letting him down, Like what, No, that's weird.

605
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: Raised some questions about like what kind of dynamic they

606
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: must have that that's even part of her, because.

607
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: It's not the fair to tell you losing her matches

608
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: of ladies and thinking, god's yeah, yeah, she's thinking you

609
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: might fire.

610
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: Do you want to shout up. Naomi has done, like

611
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: I said, a ton.

612
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: Of work to get herself fit, to get herself on

613
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: contention and to win a title on a natural so

614
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: like it's a really amazing effort as a mother.

615
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Remember we were talking last week about how people can't

616
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: slide and play. To watch these two today was hilarious

617
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: because neither of them can slide, which I don't understand

618
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: how Polar Badosa Spanish can't slide like it was.

619
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: A grass court specialist.

620
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean you can understand that, but he

621
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: could slide. So I'm watching these two belt the ship

622
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: out of the ball and then neither of them can slide.

623
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, girls just hit a drop shot just to

624
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: hit a drop shot. And one time, literally Paula Badosa

625
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: hit a drop shot. It was one I heard from

626
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the commentators where she hasn't hit that much today, that

627
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: shot much today, and Naomi literally fell over, like didn't

628
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: even get she slipped. I mean, which happens to everybody, sure,

629
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: but it was like ding.

630
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: Ding ding ding.

631
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: That was it four to three in the third set

632
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: Way Service game. I was like, oh my god, how

633
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: do you not know this? Like I don't understand coaches

634
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: that are not telling the play is that, like you

635
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: can't not going to hit Naomi off the court, but

636
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: tell you what make a run or Badosa go back

637
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: behind her? Like these girls can't slide. It's crazy to.

638
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: Me, it's crazy.

639
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: I just the last thing I'll say about Nami, because

640
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: everything I was saying about her was complimentary. And listen,

641
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: Paula has had her back issues, like it was sort

642
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: of a little bit of.

643
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: It was a shit first round.

644
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: Let's just call it what.

645
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: It was a shit first round for a lot of reasons.

646
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Like Naomi hasn't had good drawers at the French I

647
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: mean she almost took out.

648
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: She almost in the first round. Bananas, uh.

649
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: That was the second round. I believe I.

650
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: Want Naomi to have a better team of people around her.

651
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: Well you know I mean that in always like she's

652
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: had some family stuff, which you can't choose your family,

653
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: so that's tough. She's had some This is the agent

654
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Speaker 3: the thing she's like, come on, Naomi, like, keep keep

655
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: a moving you are I kind of feel like would

656
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: be better served by a better team.

657
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean listen, and these are all choices that

658
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: she has all to be decided at some point. But

659
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: I just apparently she cares more about what her letting

660
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: her coach and the team down, rather than worrying about

661
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: her own self.

662
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: So but I don't think we can call that an upset.

663
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: That upset.

664
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: We can, however, call Amminavara losing oh my god, whoa

665
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: and then and one that's an upset. It certainly is

666
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: an upset.

667
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: But Claire, who knows how to say.

668
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: And apparently I've heard, has a lot of upside to her.

669
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: We'll see if she can quickly bounce back. But she

670
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have to bounce back from much. She lost one game.

671
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: One game.

672
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Emma talk about maybe here's.

673
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: A new coaching opportunity.

674
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: Maybe she's been with her coach for a long time

675
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: now a long time, and he's done an amazing job

676
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: getting her to where she has gotten to in her

677
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: career and her ranking.

678
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: And her fitness is.

679
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: But you know, sophomore year is the toughest year in tennis.

680
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: You can come out and people start to figure out

681
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: your strengths and weaknesses and start to know how to

682
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: play you. Peyton Stern's also lost early in the first round.

683
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: I kind of clearly thinking maybe Peyton Sterns, especially given

684
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: the Madrid and rome she had, would be a hard position.

685
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: But it's hard. I mean, Ava Lisa is a good

686
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: dat played a great sing but great.

687
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, Peyton Sterns, I kind of expect to you

688
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: expect her to win that match, win that match, certainly,

689
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: I kind of expect her to like show up at

690
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: least into the third or fourth round.

691
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Someone who looked pretty good, Uh eager one in sets

692
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: three and three. Uh, she would. I can be a

693
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: little bit tricky because she hits the hell out of

694
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: the ball and is a good competitor.

695
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: So that was good to say something. I didn't either

696
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: have a very like walking but she's straight set some

697
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: people who took care of business. Carlos took care of business.

698
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: You know, you kind of expect the champions in the

699
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: seeds to do that, and all four of them, I

700
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: would say something like an eager Carlos and center are

701
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 3: you know, certainly are well.

702
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: You would imagine we're going.

703
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: To see the guy that dreamt that he won the tournament.

704
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: He will be out there tomorrow.

705
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: Belief about the balls.

706
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: Golf has a great drawl, Like if she doesn't make

707
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: the final, I'll be surprised.

708
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: Coco has a great Eager has.

709
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: A named night Metra, including the possibil of playing after Panca,

710
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: two of her nemesisssis and her biggest like literally kryptonite

711
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: iss Penko Loubing looming in her third round. I kind

712
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: of feel like she has a second round.

713
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: She she does, she has to make some some valiant efforts.

714
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: To get to the third Markina is in that section

715
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: as well.

716
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: Knowing Yelena as to Panco, I kind of feel like,

717
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: if nothing else, she's just gonna stick around the third round,

718
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: just so she could.

719
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Well. Let me tell you something, if Oster Penko ends

720
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: up playing Eager sound tech, I will say that the

721
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: first win will finally come for Eager. You think he's

722
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna win it, I do, because I think that I

723
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: was gonna say. We've talked about this. She's been on

724
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: every surface except clay, except in Madrid. Right, it was Madrid, Right,

725
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Madrid is altitude.

726
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: Madrid is altitude.

727
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: It is. It is very different than suits be hitters.

728
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: It suits big ball strikers and big service and that

729
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: is all the things that she does very very well.

730
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: Ostapenko French Open is very different. It's a big court,

731
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: center court. I mean, so is Madrid, but it's the

732
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: court is slower and if it's if it's if it's

733
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: at night, then there's no way. I think. I think,

734
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: I think Eager wins that match. If it's a hot

735
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: day in the middle of the day, there's a chance

736
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: that oster Panko still was and we all know that

737
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: ostar Penko can play. At the French Open, she won

738
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: the tournament, so it's not like she doesn't love playing there,

739
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: even though she should have really lost to Sam Stowe's

740
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: in the third round. She broke her hand in that match. Sam.

741
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: In the middle of the match, she was running around

742
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: her forehand hitting backhands and here I thought, that's like

743
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: you running around your back end. It's just not happening here.

744
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: I thought it was Hallibs.

745
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Well coming earlier tournament. You can all thanks for Sam

746
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, so it was the one and only

747
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: time she lost to her because she had a break

748
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: broken hand.

749
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: But anyway, that would fly to anybody with a broken hand.

750
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: It's like, totally, it's a pretty good effort if you

751
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: asked me.

752
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, it's all started, it's all exciting.

753
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: We're very pumped Novak going in winning a tournament certainly

754
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: helps him because remember last week, I said, there's only

755
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: two guys that I think you're gonna win. It's Sinner

756
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: or Alchoraz. I do think that you have to put

757
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: Novak in the conversation because we know, of course, he's

758
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time. No one's won more

759
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Grand Slams than him. So if he gets deep into

760
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: the tournament and he's healthy, that's what it comes down to.

761
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: That's right, there's no question that he can still win

762
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: this tournament.

763
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: I actually kind of think Eager and Novak are similar

764
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: in the sense that like if they play their way

765
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: into forum.

766
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: They're injured in different.

767
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: Ways, yes, age and mind, yeah, but if they play

768
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 3: their way into the tournament, which is why I actually

769
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: thought like Egets showing up and kind of nonchalantly taking

770
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: care of business was a really good indicator that like

771
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: she's kind of maybe corrected chorus because she can have

772
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: an off day against anybody. It's not like she needs

773
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: to see somebody really scary in the first couple of rounds. No,

774
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: it's more she's in control, and if she's in control,

775
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: she's she's in goodstead. But I think for me, Novak

776
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 3: and e are both similar that way, where it's like, okay,

777
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: once they get a couple of matches, they can really

778
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: play themselves into form.

779
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's scary.

780
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: I mean the thing with Novak, Ego should win this

781
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: tournament in most circumstances. She's just had a scary twenty twenty.

782
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Five, so she doesn't want a tournaments since last years

783
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: whip and last.

784
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: Year has not played on clay the way that you

785
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: would expect her to into this tournament.

786
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: Novak, I kind of.

787
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: Feel like he's a total wildcard to me right now.

788
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Does he no one's talking about him

789
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: take out.

790
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: I think he takes out as Verev. I think he

791
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: takes out a you know, a second tier player. Does

792
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: he take out a Carger Loos or a Jan I

793
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: don't know.

794
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the what he does there. He was

795
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: his greatest This will be his greatest achievement. Agree for sure,

796
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: Agree and he will twilight. I swear on the laft

797
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: what he should do it. He should just literally put

798
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: the racket on the ground and do what Uga did. Yeah,

799
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: and just say retired.

800
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: Twenty five piece out slam piece yeah, yeah.

801
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean I know he thinks he can still win

802
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Wimbledon because clearly's made the final. There are now two

803
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: years in a row and lost to Carlos. But it's like,

804
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel like man.

805
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: Cool totally.

806
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Just put the rackets, the record right on the ground,

807
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: like Google, love everybody. Yeah, I'm done, peace out on

808
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: that note, Gus, thanks for Johnny, anything else anything? Oh

809
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: you know what I want to add. Somebody kept asking

810
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: me this on Twitter. Does it help that they whack

811
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: their shoes on clay? Yes? And my answer to that

812
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: is yes. So what happens is on grass you have

813
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: the little nib things on the bottom of the shoes

814
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: that help you grab the grass right, and on clay

815
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: you have herring bone. So it's like the old In Australia,

816
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: we had all Dunlop volleys, which which were great for

817
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: playing on clay or onto car or anything, but they

818
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: had zero zero cushion in them, so they were like

819
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: they were like wearing those you know, the shoes that

820
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: you wear into the water. That's what it was like

821
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: playing on it with Dunlop volleys. But they're a herring bone.

822
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: So the herring bone helps you slide and grip, but

823
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: allows you to slide.

824
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: To translate that into American English, it is a tire tread.

825
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: Now it's not a t.

826
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 3: If you are on clay, you have a V shaped

827
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: tire tread.

828
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: You know what it is. Go look at rough ill

829
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: the dolls you can really like. Yeah, if you want

830
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: to know what I'm talking about, go look at the

831
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: park and you'll see like a like an S curved

832
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: on the bottom. It allows you to slide on clay,

833
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: but it allows you to have a little bit of

834
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: grip on a hard court. You'll see just you know,

835
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: it's very it's less herring bone because you want to

836
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: have it be thicker and sustained to be able to

837
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: play on a hard court.

838
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: That's right, right, So, because.

839
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: You'll tear up if you walk clay court shoes on

840
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: a hard court, for example, they would be torn up

841
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: in a best of five in like three sets.

842
00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: That's in the clach shoe category. The tread grips the

843
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: court much like a tire to close the road. And

844
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: because of the fact that it grips so much, so

845
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: much gets stuck up in it and you need to

846
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: hit the clean so you can retain the mobility on

847
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: the court.

848
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: So it's also kind of fun and coore like we

849
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: don't have it is.

850
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, honestly, that's the only reason why you

851
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: do it, because you don't see them doing it on

852
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: hard court. You know, some players do because it's like

853
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: a habit. But the reason you do it is because

854
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: think about it. If you literally, like Caitlin saying, like,

855
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: if you drive your car through mud, it's got mud

856
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: up in the the treads in the tread and so

857
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: if you were to go and just try and slide again,

858
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: you couldn't. It wouldn't grip because you're and and frankly,

859
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: it makes your shoe a little bit heavier because the

860
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: player's stuck in there. So that's why you'll see players

861
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: hit their shoe all the time to get the clay

862
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: out of their shoe. So another little thing that they

863
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: do too is you see them always like you know,

864
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: scooting their foot over the court and sort of like

865
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: doing a.

866
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 2: Little bit of cleaning off alone.

867
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of a cleaning. They're trying to

868
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: smoo booth down the area so it stops bad bounces

869
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: because that happens on clay all the time. Especially in

870
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the court. You'll see a player always

871
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: like scoot down a little bad mark or something, because

872
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: if you think about sliding on clay, it leaves a

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Speaker 1: that to be gone because if a ball hits that,

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Speaker 1: it bounces funny. So that's just all little things on clay,

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Speaker 1: which is why our sport is the greatest sport in

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Speaker 1: the world, because I mean, what the fuck who does

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Speaker 1: their own cleaning? Right?

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Speaker 2: It's great? Yeah, anyway, I can't agree with you.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that on that note, check out what

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Speaker 1: happens on the court, watch the players hit their shoes,

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Speaker 1: watch them clean the court.

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Speaker 3: And I have a maybe fun announcement. I think there's

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Speaker 3: a chance we might be doing a.

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Speaker 1: Lit live podcast. Yes, when are we going to do it?

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Speaker 1: I think next weekend Saturday or Sunday.

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Speaker 3: TVD But do not hesitate to rate, subscribe, share, and

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Speaker 3: return to our podcast because we will be announcing more.

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Speaker 1: In the next couple of days. We're going to put

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Speaker 1: it out on the Socials, but we're going to do

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Speaker 1: a live podcast. So if you're in the New York

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Speaker 1: Tri state area, I mean, it's only a quick exceller

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Speaker 1: up from Washington. It's not that far.

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Speaker 2: Away, just a little PG.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, pop up if you're upstate, come back there,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna do a live podcast. Yeah cool, than

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Speaker 1: see what happens, all right, guys, enjoy the French the

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Speaker 1: rest of what's going on. We're excited about the whole

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Speaker 1: time and that, and we're going to bring the whole

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Speaker 1: team joining State Augoi MH.