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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to Stephane. Ever

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Speaker 1: told your prediction of iHeartRadio? I say, all, Annie, yes,

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Speaker 1: I like that from the beginning. That's so I just

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Speaker 1: said a lot of your Korean son seyall. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, I decided we had to begin that way

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Speaker 1: to confuse you a b because today's episode it's something

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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about doing for a long time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming. We're talking about K dramas.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one thing we have to do is

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Speaker 1: we need to get back Marissa, who we've had on

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Speaker 1: the show before. Shout out hey, Marissa, because I know

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Speaker 1: she probably knows this more than I do. For sure,

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Speaker 1: even with the research because her and her mother apparently

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Speaker 1: really have a boy her mother, especially when it comes

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Speaker 1: to KA dramas, and we kind of wanted to take

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Speaker 1: like the US or non Korean people were really digging

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Speaker 1: K dramas right now, And yeah, we're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: You're ready to do this, okay? And I will tell

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Speaker 1: you all. I'd gave Annie some homework for this episode.

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Speaker 1: I think I kept changing though I got so excited

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Speaker 1: I was like, here's this list. No, do this list, No,

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Speaker 1: do this list. That is part of my journey as well,

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Speaker 1: in trying to kind of get comfortable with my Korean heritage,

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Speaker 1: which I have for so long have tried to ignore

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Speaker 1: or run away from. So if you hear me fumbling

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Speaker 1: in this episode, which you may not because Christina, our

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Speaker 1: super producer, Christina is amazing and editing, but if you

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Speaker 1: do hear it, yeah, this is a lot like when

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Speaker 1: I talk about Korean issues or topics, I can't really

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Speaker 1: anxious about it. So I'm gonna kind of put that

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Speaker 1: at the top. But this should be a more fun

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Speaker 1: question mark episode because when I do topics, you never

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Speaker 1: know how wild turn out, do we anyway? Um, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, we probably will choose a K drama

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Speaker 1: or at least a K movie for a future of

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Speaker 1: feminist movie episode, But for now, we're just going to

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Speaker 1: talk about why there are so many who hearts. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing it, I'm doing it, I'm doing I'm doing this.

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Speaker 1: There we go. That's the heart, the heart h K drama.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about K drama. We do mention kapap, but

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about that specifically. So what are we

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Speaker 1: talking about exactly? And yes, before you come at us,

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Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of people who are

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Speaker 1: really passionate about this topic. We are talking more along

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Speaker 1: the lines of the K wave, and let's explain that

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Speaker 1: Korean culture, we might be saying this interchangeably and not

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Speaker 1: a little bit out of context. So if we do,

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Speaker 1: don't yell at us. No, don't yell at us. So

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Speaker 1: let's do a quick definition. KAY dramas or Korean dramas

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Speaker 1: are typically quote limited scripted series arranging from sixteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty four episodes, and this is according to the Hollywood Insider,

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Speaker 1: and they oftentimes are an hour long or if you're

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Speaker 1: watching One Light, The Guardian or The Goblin, which was

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Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes per heartbreaking episode. And did

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Speaker 1: I bench that this week? Yes? I did. Did I

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Speaker 1: stop horribly at the end of it? Yes? I did.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're not going to talk about that anyway. I

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Speaker 1: all right. The Hollywood Insider goes on with this description

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Speaker 1: for KAY dramas. Quote, KAY dramas have the premise of

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Speaker 1: your everyday soap, opera and telenovella, but South Korean dramas

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Speaker 1: always entails something different. Some shows contain romance, comedy, horror,

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Speaker 1: always exploring, and according to ninety Day Korean K drama

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Speaker 1: simply means it quote pertains to television series created in

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Speaker 1: because we've talked about this before, of the power of

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Speaker 1: these fandoms such as the Army or the BTS Army.

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Speaker 1: And with the wave only growing, the idea of South

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Speaker 1: makes it on the top viewing streams all over the world. Yes,

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Speaker 1: food is also a part of this um there's a

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Speaker 1: According to screen Rant, here are the top common K

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Speaker 1: drama tropes. Sudden amnesia, which is a great way to

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Speaker 1: And of course with all that we see plenty of

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Speaker 1: those are the troops. Well, who is watching? According to

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Speaker 1: Some explanations could be linked to the love of K pop,

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Speaker 1: if at all. Let's be honest and kind of similar

429
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: to what we talked about in our romance novel episode

430
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: conversation about is it giving unrealistic expectations in love? Some

431
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: feel that this type of drama often sets up its

432
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: viewers to fail. Is it healthy to expect that being

433
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: together with someone will solve all your problems? Of course,

434
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: not that the toxic then turned good guy will always

435
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: remain that good guy. Know that if there isn't magic

436
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: in a relationship, then it's not a good or real one.

437
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: So people keep It's kind of that holding of who

438
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: believes what and what are the expectations. I believe we

439
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: already talked about that. As being said, that's not typically

440
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: true for those who consume this, but you know it

441
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: is something to question. Sure, sure, Sure. However, there are

442
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: studies out there that show that some mental health professionals

443
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: use Katie dramas as a source. Some have talked about

444
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: how important shows like these help to stigmatize mental health issues,

445
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: and even have used these specific dramas as a conversation starter.

446
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: There's a therapist who uses it for marriage and family therapy.

447
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: The therapist Jenny y Chang told Forbes, in our culture,

448
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: there's a stigma to talking about even being depressed or

449
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: being anxious. Let me tie in a K drama and

450
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: it really connects with the parents, especially. Go ahead and

451
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: watch the scene. This is your homework. And even if

452
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: you have not watched the drama, they can watch this

453
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: scene and they'll come back to me and say, Okay,

454
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: now I can visualize what you mean. And it has

455
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: helped bridge the gap a little between cultures. So I

456
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: found that fascinating. That's something to note. Who knows, because

457
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: I will say, they are not afraid of showing emotion.

458
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: So much emotion, a lot of emotion. Again in the

459
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: sample set I have consumed. That was my experience. Yes,

460
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: that's true. Okay, So because we've done all of this,

461
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: and I did. You're like, let's let's talk about the

462
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: specific dramas, which shows we know that you did. Drama World,

463
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: give me a list of what you watched. I get

464
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 1: where I did your whole list? Did you? I did?

465
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: Because there was three I didn't finish. You did send

466
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: me several lists. I took a picture of it. I did. Okay,

467
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: so I haven't finished Goblin or Guardian, but I did.

468
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I think I got to eight or nine, and they're

469
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: just what twenty sixteen sixteen. The last three are like

470
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: the specials of the behind the scenes. They are quite long.

471
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: I was not anticipating then. I didn't either, I think

472
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: because I was watching it and I was like, because

473
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: I saw I was on a free trial of the

474
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: Vicki Reckaton and I saw there was only two, and

475
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll get to the end of

476
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: this two and see how I'm doing. And I remember

477
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: at one point I was like, surely I've watched like

478
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: four already, not because I didn't like them, but because

479
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't that much to happen anyone episode. Yes, there's

480
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: a lot, and then they have these breaks where you

481
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: don't quite know if it was the ending and this

482
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: is the whole like dramatic sound and lights, all of

483
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: the all of the effects. So yes, I agree with you. Also,

484
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I did the same thing when I first watched the

485
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: two episodes. I was like, okay, I watched six episodes.

486
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: Cool and I was like, oh no, that was that

487
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: was those one too? Oh oh wow, Okay. When we

488
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: were doing this episode, was like, I'm gonna need a

489
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: second because I would like to get through this and

490
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: I did not realize I'm not even halfway through. And

491
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: I tried my best. I tried my d you did good.

492
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: You did good. This is one of those ones too,

493
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: Like I have seen many of people go back and

494
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: forth like it was again one of the most highly

495
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: rated shows because this was how this came out in

496
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. But like people were like, I didn't get

497
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: into it. It was hard to get into it. Is

498
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: it cold? Like I found it entertaining, but trying to

499
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: marathon this it's hard. So for me specifically these types

500
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: of dramas, I can do it, but it's a lot

501
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: harder to do than I expect because the episodes are

502
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: so long, and when it's shorter, you take the breaks,

503
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: but they do give you breaks with that dramatize the stuff.

504
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: It was fun. I mean, I enjoyed it. It was

505
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: not what I thought it was gonna be at all.

506
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: I like time jumps and yeah demons and grim Reapers,

507
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: and I love that they did a I think they

508
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: did a great job with a flashbox because you don't

509
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: quite know what's happening. You think you kind of know,

510
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: and there's some of the things that, yeah, I definitely

511
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: know this, but I was like, oh, oh, oh, it's

512
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: pretty funny too. It's a funny yes, I left at Yeah,

513
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: the fun of themselves. Yeah. Often, Yeah, that's what I

514
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say. It was a lot of like we

515
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: realized this is kind of ridiculous, but yes, this grim

516
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Reaper they're in a roommate situation and they don't like

517
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: each other, but they kind of like each other. Yes,

518
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: it's quite hilarious. They I don't know if you've made

519
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: it to the point. I'm sure you saw the which

520
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: by the way, I saw this clip in TikTok, the

521
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: walk up scene when they're rescuing her in the car.

522
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: Saw that that's okay. Did you see the throwback to it?

523
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I think he actually makes a comment, it makes fun

524
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: of it, and they do a throwback and they completely

525
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: make fun of the whole thing. I think I just

526
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: got to the like big reveal. I won't spoil it,

527
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: but about like after the bus thing. Oh, that's where

528
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: I am. So I don't know if okay, I don't

529
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: think it, I would have no, you would have noticed it.

530
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: It was a very obvious. So there's a lot to

531
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: this and I really enjoyed what it was because this

532
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: is your very typical what you would think of as

533
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: k drama and Gong You, who is a huge celebrity

534
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: in Korea as well as outside of South Korea because

535
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: he was in Squid Games and so many more things.

536
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: He apparently had taken a hiatus and this was one

537
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: of his first acting gigs back, and so everybody was

538
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: super excited about his return. There's also a great point

539
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: where they make fun of him as the actor. They

540
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: actually say his name. I thought it was hilarious. I

541
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: was like, what was happening the one thing and again

542
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: I didn't we didn't talk about this with the problematic

543
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: things started to do a flip all of a sudden,

544
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: and I love this, but one of the biggest conversations

545
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: about it is the age gap in many of the

546
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: actors that portray it, the male protagonist to the female protagonist.

547
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: So we have a very like I was uncomfortable as

548
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: much as I enjoyed it, I was really uncomfortable by

549
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: the fact that she was a high schooler even though

550
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: she's nineteen. But he was obviously thirty nine and she's nineteen.

551
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: There's like so much awkwardness to me that I was like,

552
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't I am not comfortable with any of this

553
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: conversation even though she was actually twenty five, right, she's

554
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old. Is still the difference and ages,

555
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: which is so okay. Oftentimes when it's a man to

556
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: a woman, it is it could be a problem. Make

557
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: thing that's I cannot not think of that that is

558
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: not something that I can do. Right, did that with

559
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: the whole Game of Thrones, A House and Dragon. I

560
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so uncomfortable with this whole situation that

561
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: I needed to look up their ages and who was

562
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: protecting these kids? Right? The one thing about KA dramas,

563
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: again though they don't do that romance flashy things that

564
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm so uncomfortable with, even though it's insinuated and there's

565
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: an intimacy there, it's not physical intimacy, so it's kind

566
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: of like, ah, this is a problem, but at least

567
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: they don't do this, right, Yeah, I mean that was

568
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: one of my biggest hang ups too, especially like because

569
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: he's a I don't know, centuries year old god. It's

570
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: like hanging out outside for high school and asking her

571
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: about her test, don't we But I will say, like,

572
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: not in defensive but also it's not like our media

573
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. It's when everyone That's why I was

574
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: like talking about the House of Dragons, like they do

575
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: that too, even worse to the point that they have

576
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: sexualized scenes. So that's to me of course, like it's

577
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: like a conversation, but the double standards that exist, yeah,

578
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: definitely is there. Right. Kind of thought the same thing

579
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: about Drama World because I had to check the age

580
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: of the leading actress to the leading protagonist males protacton

581
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: this because I was like, that's a huge age jump.

582
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: What's happening, right? Yeah, Yeah, I do think that's interesting,

583
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: and that's does show up a lot in our media,

584
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: but it sort of goes back. I did. I know

585
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: it's annoying, but I had so many that's like, I

586
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: see this in fan fiction all the time, but I do.

587
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: It's that thing again with kind of the power gap,

588
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: the kind of like the age gap, the power dynamic,

589
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: and it's just playing out in these dramas, which I

590
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: think there's a like multitude of reasons why that's happening, right,

591
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was certainly something where I was like, Okay, yeah,

592
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: everyone seems to be okay, right, We're all good here, right,

593
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I know we all have to check in a like

594
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: every I think, okay, everything okay, okay, okay. So what

595
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: else did you watch? I watched The Island, So I

596
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: only watched two episodes of the Island. So you've made

597
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: it way farther than I did in that one. I

598
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: watched The Swindlers in the Suspect. That was my list.

599
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: That is what I did. I did not watch. I don't.

600
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I think there was a mixup because I did not

601
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: watch the show The Island. I watched the Korean movie

602
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: The Island, which I didn't have a lot of these

603
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: themes um so popular movie, but no, that's not the

604
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: one I was talking about. Well, there was a slight

605
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: mix up then I was impressed. I was like, oh,

606
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't should I let her believe that? And I

607
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: was like to ask you, I think it would be

608
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: pretty obvious you were not. We're not talking about the

609
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: same one. It is a fantasy series in which it

610
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: has also have time travel. I think one of the

611
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: biggest appeals for me when it comes to you know what,

612
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: when it comes to a Game of Thrones as well

613
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: as Korean dramas like this, there's so much history, especially

614
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to traditions, and there's so many mystical

615
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: ideas out there pertaining two specific history that it has

616
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: a wide array of plot abilities, Like there's so many

617
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: things that you could go through and not know. So

618
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: the Island similar. It's more action packed, a little more

619
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: horror base than Goblin slash Guardian because obviously that's a

620
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: little more romantic rather than this one. I did also

621
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: have you do two kay movies k drama movies at again. Gongyu. Sorry,

622
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: he's just He's just I just love him and I

623
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: adore him, and don't tell me anything bad. Actually, do

624
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: tell me so if there's some bad things that I

625
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: need know about him. But right now he has a

626
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: place in My Heart and the Suspect is actually the

627
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: first movie I saw with him, which I believe he

628
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: did soon after he was discharged from his military stint

629
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: that he is required to do in South Korea. And

630
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: it has a very common theme that many of the

631
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: South Korean movies have, which is the North Korean South

632
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: Korean spy aspect. It does. It is very reminiscent of

633
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: the born identity. Yes, I know, but has gone you

634
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: and I love it. And apparently he and the actors

635
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: have portrayed the reporter has actually done several movies together,

636
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: so they just won recently. That's supposed to be really good,

637
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: so but it is. It also has the losing of

638
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the wife turned enemy thing, finding of the child. There's

639
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: always a child involved, yeah, and of course a lot

640
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: of fighting and a lot of guns. And the one

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Speaker 1: he's always angry, and the one dorky dude who is

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Speaker 1: kind of the clown that is in many of those movies.

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Speaker 1: How did you feel about that movie? I liked it

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Speaker 1: a lot, I would say for both of them. Excellent

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Speaker 1: action sequences, kind of surprisingly more. Maybe this is just me,

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Speaker 1: but I was like, wow, this is got violent pretty quick,

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Speaker 1: or like sad, like a death very quickly though you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to connect to and like wait a minute, whoa

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Speaker 1: they do tragedy very quickly. I will say that same

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Speaker 1: thing with a Swindler. The immediate like death and you're

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Speaker 1: like what just happened. But there's a lot of like

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Speaker 1: twists and turns where you kind of enjoy it. You

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Speaker 1: definitely have the villain, like there's an obvious villain. It

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Speaker 1: did kind of like go through the Ocean's eleven type

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Speaker 1: of trip because you don't quite know what's happening, somewhat

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Speaker 1: predictable but not quite predictable. I really enjoyed it though.

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Speaker 1: I think that both of those movies it's violent but wholesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That way, it was like Bourne identity. It wasn't like

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Speaker 1: anything yeah that we don't see a lot in our

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Speaker 1: immedia at all. I think I was just like not

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Speaker 1: expecting those like oh, that person's dead. Now you have

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Speaker 1: the catalyst and both of those things. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: give you those movies that I liked that are traumatic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this to you because it's

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Speaker 1: that Yeah. Yeah, I will say Korean horror movies do

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Speaker 1: not hold back. They will mess with you real hard. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: like I've been traumatized by those. When they go in,

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Speaker 1: they go all the way in. It seems well, well ady,

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Speaker 1: come samny Da. Thank you so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: in this journey as I talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: things that I have rediscovered in this familiarity in k dramas,

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Speaker 1: and also about why and how the US and non

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Speaker 1: Korean people are just falling in love and continuing to

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Speaker 1: fall in love. I really do hope that it continues

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Speaker 1: to grow because I feel like it does open up

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Speaker 1: a lot of conversations and ways. Again, I want to

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Speaker 1: get Marissa's opinion on some things. I would love to

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Speaker 1: hear her mother's opinions on some of these things as well,

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Speaker 1: because I know she's got a list waiting for you

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Speaker 1: as well. I'm interested in this list. Well, that's why

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Speaker 1: I had the pictures on my phone RADI to go,

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Speaker 1: because I sent your list to her to give to

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Speaker 1: her mom. But yeah, I really want to see this

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Speaker 1: list as well. Yeah, I'm intrigued. Yes, Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: for the the homework. I had a good time doing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we will revisit it soon. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and listeners. If you've got any recommendations. I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling much of some good recommendations out there. Yes, please

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Speaker 1: let us know. You can emails at Steffandie you mom

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Speaker 1: stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us on

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Speaker 1: at stuff I've Never Told You. You can also find

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Speaker 1: us on YouTube. Thanks as always too, our super producer Christina,

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Maya, and contributor extraordinaire Joey. You couldn't

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Speaker 1: do it without you. Thank you so much, and thanks

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