1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's time for our episode on etcha sketch, 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: the little tablet that you could draw on using two 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: dials for some reason, and then when you made a masterpiece, 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: you'd shake it up and start over again. Or if 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: you're a real jerk, you could shake up someone else's 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: masterpiece when they weren't ready to shake it up yet. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: This is a good one. I guess all of our 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: toy episodes were good ones, so it goes without saying, 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: but it is a good one. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Charles w. Chucky Bryant, and there's Jerry the Delicious dish 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Rolling And this is stuff you should know. The vintage 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Nostalgia edition that went off to China and then got 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: so do a different company edition. 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: So do you want to have a rough list of 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: classic toys we've covered? You want to hear it? 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: Oh? Lay it on me, Charles. 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure I've missed something, but it did help me 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: think of some more that we should do. 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: Slinky, We did slinky, Oh yeah, we did sleek okay. 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, lego Oh yeah, of course Barbie sure, her boyfriend 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: g I Joe. 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good one. Sorry, wait a minute, 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I'm sorry. Did we just specifically do 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: a G I Joe one or an Action Figures one? 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: I think both. We definitely did Action Figures. 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Although not Okay, go ahead, I'll. 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: Cross check that. Hot wheels. 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: So so this is a made up list, is what 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: you're saying. 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Hot wheels. 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you didn't. You didn't call it hot wheels. 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: Easy bake oven mm hm, play dough, silly putty? All right? 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: Do you count boomerangs? 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeh sure, do. 37 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: You count Monopoly? Yeah, Yo yos? 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: Of course. 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: Hula Hoops. 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: I knew Hula Hoops was after Yo Yos. I just 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: knew it. 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: Teddy Ruxxban we covered him in our Christmas show this year. 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a deep cut right there. 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: And then that's all I have. But I could have 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: sworn we did it on Frisbees, but I cannot find it. 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like we did Frisbees too, because I 47 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: think we talked about like frawl for something at some point. 48 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's out there and I 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: just didn't or maybe it's under flying disc or something. 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: Oh, that's possible, because yeah, we made that joke about it, 51 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: calling it a novelty flying disc because Frisbee like used 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: to sue everybody who called anything else to Frisbee. 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll have to look, but there's probably more out there. 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: But that's a solid you know, twelve or thirteen. 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: That's pretty good, which leads us to Edges sketch. Yes, 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: one of the one hundred top hundred toys of the 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: century according to I want to say, not the Toy 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. It's just in the Toy Hall of Fame. 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: I think according to some snot nose kid who makes 60 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: lists online. 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: All right, this is the one hundred best toys of 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: the century. This is the one hundred best guitar solos 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: of the seventies. 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'd love to do a show on that. 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: That would be pretty cool. I can't remember who named 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: that that who made that list, but it's a high honor. 67 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: It's a high accolade, even if we can't remember who 68 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: came up with it. Like the etcher sketches a ubiquitous toy. 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: Everybody knows what an ecch of sketches unless you go 70 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: to France and then they'll say, oh, you mean La 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: cara megic right, and you might say, like, well, why 72 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: would they have anything to say about the extra sketch 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: in France? Turns out, buddy, the etcha sketch is actually 74 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: French in origin. Did you know that before this? 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: I did not. I didn't either, because it seems like 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: super American, you know, it looks like a TV and 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: just feels like pure Americana. So when I realized it 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: had some French stank on it, my dreams were dashed. 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: You like, it smells like champagne and cheese, which is 80 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: kind of pleasant. 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: No, I didn't really care. I thought I thought it 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: was great sketch, erase and sketch again the log line 83 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 3: that will forever be tied to this really interesting little toy. 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: And I can't remember who it is in this article, 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: but so they were interviewing different folks. I think it 86 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: was someone from the company commented, and I totally agree that, Like, 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: it's amazing that today in the digital world and Bluetooth 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: and Wi Fi and video gaming as it is, that 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: this little lo fi toy that doesn't even have batteries 90 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: in it, much less hook up to the internet is 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: still like super popular and still has a little bit 92 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: of mystique, and I agree with them, and I think 93 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: the reason why one of them is like you look 94 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: at it and you're still kind of like, how does 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: this thing work? 96 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: Right, Well, we're going to ruin that mystique for everybody 97 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: because we're gonna explain how it works actually in this episode. Right, 98 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: But hopefully it won't affect that you just sketch sales 99 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: because we love that you sketch, you know. 100 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: All right, should we go to France? 101 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: We will go to France sometime. It's apparently not clear 102 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: whether it was nineteen fifty five or nineteen fifty six, 103 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: but in a little town called Vitry sir Sin, which 104 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: means Victory on the Sinn River, there was a company 105 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: called what was the name of the company. 106 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: Chuck uh linn crusta company, right, terrible name. 107 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: It is a terrible name. But the reason they called 108 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: themselves that is because lynn Crusta is a type of 109 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: wall covering that was really popular in the nineteenth and 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: early twentieth centuries. You know, like have you ever been 111 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: into an old, creepy, abandoned house and like the walls 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: are covered in what looks like dimpled tin with like 113 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: some weird patterns to it or whatever. 114 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: No, but keep going. 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: Okay, so where if you you could rub your hand 116 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: over it's very much it's like heavily embossed. Okay, sometimes 117 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: it's painted and it's it just imagined that as like 118 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Wayne Scotting in the house. That is Lin Crusta. And 119 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: so that is one of the two things that this 120 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: company made in the fifties, link crustal wall coverings and 121 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: artificial leather. That is really neither here nor there, but 122 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: I could. I was with you, I was like, what 123 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of a name is that for a company? I 124 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: looked it up and they just it basically be like 125 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: if you and I called our podcast podcast because that's 126 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: what we did, was make podcasts. 127 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: Or call the company crust pod, Crusta, just the name 128 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: crust Anyway, I think I know what you're talking about 129 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: because I have we have a pie safe that has 130 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: that metal tin stuff. But it's, uh, I've never seen 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: it on a wall, but I bet it's about the. 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: Same thing, virtually the same thing. Yeah, yep, Okay, So 133 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: that's Link Crusta and that's where this guy worked. His 134 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: name was Andre Cassagnis. I bet that you hill. 135 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: Well, if it's French, wouldn't it be Caissan? Is that 136 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: she pronounced? 137 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just nailed it. Actually, Andre Cassol, 138 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Well that's. 139 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: What we're gonna call him. And we have gone back 140 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: in time. You didn't know fifty five or fifty six. 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: I say we go to fifty four, just to play 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: it safe, setup shop in France and maybe get some 143 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: emails done. 144 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: All right for a couple of years. 145 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: Sure, why not? We could use a break because you know, 146 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: podcaster burnouts a real thing. 147 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: He really is as we thought, we're dropping, we're dropping 148 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: like flies. 149 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: All right. So he's working in this factory. It's north 150 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: of Paris, and they are making these wall coverings like 151 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: you're talking about, and he this is a little confusing 152 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: how this actually happens if you asked me, or at 153 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: least the way the first article put it, it's confusing. 154 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Oh you're leaving it to me by notice, by your 155 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: by your balls. After that? 156 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, no, let let's I'll start it. But 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: I just still don't quite get it. He marked up 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: with pencil on a sea through decal, so like he 159 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: was putting on an electrical plate like a light switch 160 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: and on that plate, like many things, has like a 161 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: little sea through plastic that you peel off. So he 162 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: was riding on that he peeled it off. But then 163 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: that's where it loses me. It's to exactly what magic 164 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: took place. 165 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: So okay, remember this is link Krusta and they make 166 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: metal wall coverings, which means there's metal dust in the air, 167 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: metal shavings everywhere. 168 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's. 169 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: Right, all of them are. What's crazy. This guy made 170 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: it to the ripe old age of eighty six after 171 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: breathing that for years. But so there's there's metal dust everywhere, 172 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: including on this electrical switch plate that he's installing. And 173 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I guess the decal against the plate, and I think 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: think what happened was when he marked on the decal 175 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: and pulled the decal off, he'd seen that he had 176 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: disturbed the metal shavings that were stuck to the underside 177 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: of the decal. Oh do you see what I mean? 178 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: So he had disturbed the shape, so there was like 179 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: the whole decal is coated in a metal dust. He 180 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: marks on it with a pencil and the impression that 181 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: he makes like gouges out lines on the backside of 182 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: the decal. I know, it's really tough. It was magic. Basically, 183 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: this man witnessed a feat of magic that still cannot 184 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: be explained to this day. And that's where he got 185 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: his idea for the etches sketch amazing. 186 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: So a big, big moment. He has that literal light 187 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: bulb that goes off of his or not literal of course, 188 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: light bulb above his head, although you never know, there 189 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: may have been a light bulb in that factory right 190 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: above his head. 191 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: Why not? 192 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: And he said, all right, this is uh, this, this 193 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: can be something. He however, did not have a lot 194 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: of money to sync into this weird idea, and so 195 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: he had to partner with somebody with money, man named 196 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: Paul Chase Cze or maybe Shaw's if he's French. 197 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: Oh that's good. 198 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: And this guy had some dough because he owned a 199 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: plastic injection molding company. 200 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: This is like early on. 201 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: I wonder if we could count that as a toy, 202 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: the uh the little plastic machines that spit out little 203 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: plastic guitars in Chicago and at zoos. 204 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, Lama, that would definitely count. Yeah, that goes 205 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: on the list. 206 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he didn't it wasn't moldorama, but it was 207 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: plastic injection molding that this guy made his money from. Uh. 208 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: And this where things get a little confusing historically, because 209 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: the man who his accountant, his name was Arthur gra. 210 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: You were the French today. Try to run French people, 211 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: you can't. Chuck is pronouncing your words just beautifully. 212 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: So his accountant has actually given credit a lot of 213 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 3: times because he filed the patent under his name, which 214 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm curious about how that works legally. 215 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: He so he was, do you remember the first time 216 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: we did south By Southwest and on the sign it 217 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: had like somebody I can't remember whose name it was, 218 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: but whoever had like filed the application to get us 219 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: into south By Southwest? It said that like that's who 220 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: was performing in the room that day. 221 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: I don't remember that at all. 222 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: I think this is the same, basically the same thing. 223 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: Where as like the US government bureaucracy, the patent in 224 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Trademark office basically said whoever's name is on there, that 225 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: is who is the patent holder. And since Grangene, who 226 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: was the accountant of Shay's, who was the partner of Kess, 227 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and since he was the one who actually filled out 228 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: the application and paid for the application for the patent. 229 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: As far as the government was concerned, he was the 230 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: person who patented the etches sketch in the United States, 231 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: even though gran Gene made no claim on it whatsoever 232 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: immediately transferred the title over to Chase. He's for decades 233 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: everybody thought Arthur Graanjine was the guy who invented the 234 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: etches sketch. 235 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: Interesting, all right, So that was July twenty third, nineteen 236 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: fifty nine, was when this patent was granted. And I 237 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: guess we should just look at the little guy itself, 238 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: the little TV, looking that iconic red frame with the 239 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: two dials, which it didn't have initially. We'll get to that. 240 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: But the underside of this screen here has what's known 241 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: in the patent as a pole virulent material such as 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: aluminum powder. 243 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: Is that French as well? 244 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: I don't know. And then to keep that from clumping 245 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: up there a little tiny plastic beads and then the 246 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: two knobs control again from the patent, a movable tracing stylus, 247 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: although initially it was a joystick, isn't that right? 248 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, basically like an atari, but it served the 249 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: same purpose and it was it was held together the 250 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: same way through an intricate system of pulleys and gears 251 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: that moved the stylus either upward or downward. And then 252 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: if you combine the upward and downward together, you could 253 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: make diagonals and circles and stuff like that. But it's 254 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: it's really tough to describe what's going on in a 255 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Nutch just sketch. But there's a House Stuff Works article 256 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: from years back called inside a Nutches Sketch where the 257 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: people at House of Verse like took one apart and 258 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: photographed it and explained it step by step, and it 259 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: really becomes much simpler and ruins any bit of magic 260 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: there is to it when you see inside an Etches sketch. 261 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: But it's still kind of wondrous, you know, like the 262 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: engineer in you is like, wow, that's pretty cool. 263 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of like it's not a negative image, 264 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: I don't think. But what's going on when you're moving 265 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: those knobs. There's a stylus that's actually removing like the 266 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: screen is coated with this powder, so it's actually removing powder, 267 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: not adding something to the screen. 268 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. 269 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: And of course if you want to get that away 270 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: and start a new picture, you just shake that thing 271 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: up and that recoats the screen once again with that powder. 272 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like you know how your TV screen always 273 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: has tons of dust on it no matter how often 274 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: you dust it. Sure, So that's because like that dust 275 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: is attracted electrostatically through an electrical charge to the glass. 276 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: That's they take advantage of that same thing with the 277 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: underside of the etch a sketch and that aluminum dust 278 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: which sticks to everything like it wants to stick to 279 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: the glass because I think it's missing some electrons or something. 280 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: And then when you move the stylus through it, you're 281 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: just removing that that dust. Like you said, it's not 282 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: a negative. It's the removal of dust. And that's the 283 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: that's just sketch like at its at its core. And 284 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: what's interesting, Chuck, is like that is how I met 285 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: just sketched today works. That's how I not just sketch 286 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: worked in nineteen sixty two, like the two meaning like 287 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: also but that that dude Andre Cassolgne said, this is 288 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: how this is gonna work, and it's it's basically the 289 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: same thing. 290 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome. Let's take a break. Yes, we're going 291 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: to come back and talk about coming state side right 292 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: after this. 293 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: All right, so Chuck, So how do we agree on 294 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: his last name? I think I'm butchering it still, and 295 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: I even took years of French in high school. 296 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: I think you said Castle. 297 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: All right, Andre cass Role, that seems that seems wrong. 298 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still gonna go with Caisson. 299 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Andre Caisson. He knew he was 300 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: onto something like this guy was an electrician. He was like, 301 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: this is a great idea, this is a prototype I made, 302 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: this is this is worth something? So he and Cruz 303 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I guess, funded a trip to the Nuremberg Toy Fair 304 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine, and it was there that Caisson 305 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: was walking around saying, check this thing out. It is 306 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: yours for a mere one hundred thousand dollars, which at 307 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: the time was a lot of money. One hundred I 308 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: think it was eight hundred and seventy thousand dollars today. 309 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: And that's what this guy wanted for the for the 310 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: right to produce this, and every toy maker at the 311 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: place said no, including a little toy maker called Ohio Art. 312 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: Everybody turned it down, and Casson went home from the 313 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: toy fair empty handed, but he didn't give up. He 314 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: still persisted. But that was a big strikeout for him 315 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: right out of the gate. 316 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. So Ohio Art eventually settles on a number of 317 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: twenty five grand for the rights to make this thing 318 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: in the United States. It is still called La cron 319 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: Magique in France because they had a different licensing deal 320 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: over there from the get go, and Ohio Art Company 321 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 3: is pretty interesting. It started, did you see that thing did? Yeah? 322 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 3: They started out in nineteen oh eight, founded by a 323 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: man named a dentist named doctor Henry S. Winsler in Archibald, Ohio. 324 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: He gets out of dentistry because he's like, hey, man, 325 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: toys is the future. Toys is the future. 326 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: There's no future in teeth. In a decade, no one 327 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: in America is going to have teeth. It's just a 328 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: losing trade to be in his dentistry. 329 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he saw the way forward. He rented a 330 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: music hall, hired fifteen women, and they were making metal 331 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: picture frames at first too great great success. 332 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. So they use something called the metal lithography, which 333 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: is a type of printing and I think the metal 334 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: refers to like the medium that you're using to print 335 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: with like the like you carve a picture out of 336 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: metal and you put ink on it and then you 337 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: print on whatever you want. But they were printing onto metal, 338 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: like they had like these picture frames and pictures that 339 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: were like a huge cellar of a cupid. It was 340 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: a pair of like oval plates basically, but they were 341 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: metal printed pictures on them of like a cupid hanging 342 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: out and then the same cupid sleeping, and it's just 343 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: kind of like whatever. Like these days, it seems kind 344 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: of it's got a tinge of old timey creepiness. But 345 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: in the first half of the twentieth century, there were 346 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: fifty million sets of those things sold in the United States, 347 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: which is an astounding mouth. It's basically every house in 348 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: America had a pair of this, and that really kind 349 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: of made Ohio art like a very viable business. But 350 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: they eventually got into things like sand pails and little 351 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: trucks and that kind of thing. Anything that was printed 352 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: with metal before the time that plastic toys came along 353 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: they were into So it wasn't a huge leap into 354 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: the edges sketch, but the Edges sketch was definitely different 355 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: than anything that they'd ever kind of messed around with before. 356 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: Did you know I've done metal lithography. 357 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: No? 358 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of our industrial arts. It was, 359 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: you know, in at least at my school, each quarter 360 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: you did a different medium or whatever, and lithography was 361 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: something we did one quarter. 362 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember what you printed? 363 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: Uh? I'm trying to remember what I printed. It's funny 364 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: I can remember that because we also at one quarter 365 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: was screen printing, and I remember the T shirt I did 366 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: monkeys T shirts. 367 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: Like the see No Evil, Hear No Evil monkeys. 368 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: No the band the Monkeys. They're they're their logo with 369 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: the guitar spelled out as monkeys. 370 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Like, Wow, did you draw it yourself? 371 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: No? No, no, of course not. But we did metal 372 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: sheet lithography. I don't remember all of the process, but 373 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: what I do remember was it essentially was like burning 374 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: chemically burning images onto metal plates and then that metal 375 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: plate was used to print. 376 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: Okay, So so the metal in metal lithography does it 377 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: talks about the metal press that you're using to print with. 378 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: Like at the end of There may be different processes, 379 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 3: but in my class, we would do this thing and 380 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 3: apply this like image with like this gel onto a 381 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: metal sheet and use this combination of chemicals that would 382 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: burn that in to like make it part of the metal, 383 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you would have a 384 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: metal sheet with a thing on it, like a negative image, 385 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: and then you would use that in the printing process 386 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 3: to print a positive image. 387 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: Right, and you could print use that to print onto 388 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: anything including other metal. Right. 389 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: Well, hey man, that's where my knowledge and again this 390 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: was ninth grade me, So I've forgotten a lot of 391 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: things over that time period, right, And I'm sure I 392 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 3: just butchered that. But that's my one little dance with 393 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 3: metal lithography. 394 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you who would be able to tell 395 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: us exactly how you could how metal lithography works. It's 396 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: anybody who works at Ohio Art, because not only was 397 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: that their bread and butter before the etches sketch, it 398 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: still is today. Actually, so so Ohio Art, like I guess, 399 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: gets in touch with Andre Cassan and either he got 400 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: in touch with them again or they got in touch 401 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: with him. I think it was the ladder of the 402 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: two and said, hey, we heard you're selling this for 403 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: one hundred grand. It's way too rich for our blood. 404 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: How about either fifteen thousand or twenty five thousand, depending 405 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: on who you ask in the future, and Kassan is like, 406 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. They're like, just take the money, 407 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: and so they either got it for fifteen thousand or 408 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand, which is still substantial. I mean it 409 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: was like around one hundred k or two hundred k 410 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: something like that, depending on which one it was, and 411 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: Kissan was quite a happy man. There was a story 412 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: where the guy who was running the show at Ohio 413 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: Art and his wife went over to meet Andre Cassan 414 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: and just kind of have like an initial meeting and 415 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: like shake his hand and all that and buy the 416 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: license from him. And Cassan was like welcome and had 417 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: like this huge spread of baguettes and champagne and everything 418 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: at his house, which is pretty cute because it was 419 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: just like this humble guy who came up with a 420 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: really great idea for a toy and was finally like 421 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: selling it for a wad of cash. Interesting lot of 422 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: those what the bagets and champagne. 423 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, what are you gonna do? 424 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: Wait went in France, right, so he. 425 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: Is Once he's on board with Ohio Art, he gets 426 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: together with their chief engineer, Jerry Berger and says, and 427 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: Burger's like, listen here, frenchie, you need to drop the joystick. 428 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: It's all knobs these days. And he said, what is 429 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: that knob? And he was like, well, let me show you, 430 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: and he introduced the idea of the same system like 431 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: you were talking about, but knobs instead of a joystick 432 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: to move that little line horizontal or vertical or as 433 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 3: you pointed out, if you're really talented and you can 434 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: master both at once, you can actually do root it. Well, 435 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 3: if you're really good, you can do very nice curve lines. 436 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, beyond no, neither am I I can make 437 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: a line go up, in a line go to the 438 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: left or right. 439 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll get to. 440 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: You can't even make it go down. 441 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: We'll get to the art of it maybe at the end, 442 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: but because there are some serious artists out there doing 443 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: some cool stuff, but at any rate, it just skeet. 444 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: It was rebranded as Etches Sketch in the United States, 445 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: Ohio Arts producing them for the nineteen sixty holiday season 446 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 3: and they sold about six hundred thousand of these that year, 447 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: which is a it's a lot. 448 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they sold it for a lot of money too. 449 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: They went for sale at two dollars and ninety nine 450 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: cents apiece, which is twenty five sixty four in today's money. 451 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: But I mean, if you go buy an that's just 452 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: sketch today, it's between ten and fifteen bucks. So that 453 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: was a lot of money, especially to sell six hundred 454 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: thousand of these things, especially if you were selling like 455 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: creepy you know, metal waste baskets with an unsettling clown 456 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: painted on it or printed on it, like right before this. 457 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: This is a huge It was a good move by 458 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: the people at Ohio Art to buy the license to 459 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: this thing. In other words, and they say, chok that 460 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: it coincided really perfectly with television, so much so that 461 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: they believe like that is one of the reasons why 462 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: Jerry Burger it was like, you need knobs. This thing 463 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: needs to look like a TV set, because that's what's 464 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: all the rage with the kids right now. 465 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he it was one of the first toys 466 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: to actually do a TV commercial. And so if it's 467 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty and you're a child watching, first of all, 468 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: your mind is blown because you're watching in television to 469 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: begin with. 470 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, I can't believe this I 471 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: can't believe what's going on right now. 472 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: Then a TV commercial comes on for a toy, and 473 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: this toy has animation in it to where like they 474 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 3: would etch a sketch a little rocket ship and then 475 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: that rock that rocket ship would animate and take off. 476 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: And this was like these kids might have I mean, 477 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: keep in mind, kids in nineteen sixty were idiots, but 478 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: they might as well have been dosed with LSD. 479 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: You know, they just kept fainting over and over again 480 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: throughout the commercial because they could not believe what they 481 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: were seeing. And it's just an etch a sketch, you know. 482 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's genius. I love it, it. 483 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: Is, but it really I think the point was though, 484 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: the like taking advantage of the novelty of TV and 485 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: also now having away like if you we just tried 486 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: to explain an etch just sketch over a podcast prior 487 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: to TV, if that just sketched you come out during 488 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: like the Little Orphan air in the radio era, they 489 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: would have had to have done the same thing. It 490 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't have landed quite as well. The fact that a 491 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: kid could see this happening on their TV screen was 492 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. And then also to say and then you 493 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: just shake it, turn it upside down and shake it 494 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: and coat the glass screen again, and your drawing is 495 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: gone forever. Like to be able to see that TV 496 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: made the Etches sketch what it was like for sure. 497 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: It definitely ushered it into a position where it could 498 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: become like a cultural icon of a nostalgia. 499 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, they perfected it by the 500 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: time they started rolling off in nineteen sixty. Prior to that, 501 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 3: like any product like this, so it was a lot 502 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: of R and D. One of the people who worked 503 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: there talked about the mountain of red frames behind the 504 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 3: factory while they were trying to get it right, and 505 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: it was such a huge smash hit out of the 506 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: gate that, as legend has it, they were manufacturing up 507 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: until noon on Christmas Eve just to get them to 508 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: the West Coast in time for Christmas morning. 509 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty cool. I mean, they really 510 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: wanted those kids to have those thatch just ketches. They 511 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: really wanted that money. 512 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 3: Should we take another break, Yeah, all right, we'll talk 513 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: about some ways Etches Sketches ebbed and flowed in popularity 514 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: and pop culture over the years. 515 00:27:39,720 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Right for this, Chuck, I don't know if we said 516 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: it or not. But from what I've seen, more than 517 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five million Etches sketches have been 518 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: sold since nineteen sixty. 519 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: And we should point out we're not just like ticking 520 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: off a list of pop culture references. Right, Like, every 521 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: time this happened, etch A Sketch sales would go up. 522 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Mitt Romney one increased sales like thirty percent. 523 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: I guess everybody was like, Oh, I just sketch, I 524 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: forgot about that. I think I'll go buy one right now. 525 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: Well, they actually branded after that Republican and Democrat Etches Sketches, though, 526 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: didn't they. 527 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could buy a red one or a 528 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: blue one, but both of them came with a sticker 529 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: which I'm assuming that they printed on their metal lithography 530 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: presses of a donkey and an elephant, like playing Tugo 531 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: war on the front of the White House lawn. Yeah, 532 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: that's just crazy, it is, but it's also that's smart, 533 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's how you make the money. 534 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: And then, of course, in the movie Toy Story from 535 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: Pixar was one of the character's name was Etch and 536 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 3: had the fastest knobs in the West. Yeah, and that 537 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: was that was always a very fun character, I think, 538 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: to see him drawing things out really fast to communicate. 539 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you said something earlier, you were 540 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: talking about how like, despite the fact that it doesn't 541 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: even have batteries, it's had the staying power for you know, 542 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: fifty something years, almost sixty years, it's been around, and 543 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: it's a really simple thing that the design hasn't changed. 544 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: And I think even more of a testimony to, you know, 545 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: the staying power of the Etches sketch is the fact 546 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: that they have tried stuff with batteries and like things 547 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: that connect to your computer over the years, and nothing 548 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: has managed to improve on the original Etches sketch. Like 549 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: there was you remember the Etches Sketch animator. No, so 550 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't quite place it either. By went and watched 551 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: an old ad. It was big in the eighties and 552 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: it was basically like an etch of sketch, but there 553 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: was nothing mechanical about it. It was digital. You're creating 554 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: like a bitmap, digital picture, and then you'd press like 555 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: I guess play or something like that, and it would 556 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: just kind of run it like a flip book over 557 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: and over again. So your it just sketch drawing like 558 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: came to life. But kids were like, I'd rather have 559 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: the original Etches Sketch because the Sketch animator went away 560 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: and the Etches Sketch is still available today. 561 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there have been other variations. They had 562 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: the Doodle Sketch, the plug and Play, which this sounds 563 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: like a bad idea plug and Play allows you to 564 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: draw on the TV screen. That's just asking for trouble 565 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: as a parent, sure, and then the mobile app, which 566 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: I've been playing with today. 567 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Oh, how's it going well? 568 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think of this picture? 569 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Oh, it's not bad. It looks kind of edges sketchy, 570 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: you know. 571 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what you can do is it's kind of fun. 572 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 3: You can you can upload or take a photo on 573 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: your smartphone, plug it into the app, and then it 574 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: will instantly etchify it. And what I've learned is that 575 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: it's the more basic, like a picture of your face, 576 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: works much better than something with a lot of stuff 577 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: in the background. But it's fun, right, Yeah, you know, 578 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: I like it. 579 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: I was reading reviews of the app. I didn't try 580 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: it myself, like you, but it's it did say like, 581 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: if it's a basic picture, you'll look way more etches sketchy. 582 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so my official review is not bad. 583 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: So three stars out of six. 584 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 3: Sure. I mean for something that downloaded in thirty seconds 585 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: and was free, I'm gonna give it a half a 586 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: thumb up. 587 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: So one of the things that has kind of kept 588 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: etches sketch alive for like the younger kids. If I 589 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: read this article about etch a sketch, and it was 590 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: right before they sold, so a lot of people don't 591 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: know ohio Art doesn't make echa sketch anymore. They sold 592 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: it to a brand called spin Master, and I didn't know. 593 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: I didn't see that. 594 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not it's not ohio Art. Ohio ar it 595 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: said we're going back to metal lithography, and that's what 596 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: they did. So they sold that just sketch off to 597 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: spin Master. Spin Masters like, that's fine with us, baby, 598 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: thanks for all these licenses. I mean that just sketch, 599 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: a frozen braided that just sketches. It might as well 600 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: just be like a printing press for money, right. Yeah, 601 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: so it was probably a pretty good bye for spin 602 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: Master and ohio Art was like this thing is It 603 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: was great. It was a good run. While it lasted, 604 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: but they also had to oversee it through some really 605 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 1: dark times because well, for one, thing like that just sketch, 606 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: is it landing with the millennials, I get the impression 607 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: like it used to with the baby boomers. That was 608 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: one thing, and Ohio Art also almost went bankrupt because 609 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: of it back in like two thousand and one. They 610 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: managed to get some more money back into the business 611 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: and stay afloat. But part of that also was they 612 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: had to send the manufacturing of that just got off 613 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: to China, which they were really unhappy about because they 614 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: lost like thirty five jobs in tiny little Brian, Ohio. 615 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: But eventually, like fifteen years later, they said, you know 616 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: what we're getting out the etch of sketch business and 617 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: sold it off to spin Master. 618 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: Which is a weird name. 619 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: But the but then, one of the things, it's a 620 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: little weird, Ohio Art's a little weird too. You don't 621 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: associate Ohio with art, you. 622 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: Know, Oh, oh, you just don't. 623 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: I'll say it again. 624 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: Tell that to Chrissy hind the Blacks. 625 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: No, Christy, heind gets what I'm saying for sure. So 626 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: the thing, one of the things that is keeping Eucher 627 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: sketch relevant. The reason why, like if you walk up 628 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: to like a seventeen year old and say what do 629 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: you think about that just sketch, they say, oh, yeah, 630 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: I've heard of that. Because every once in a while 631 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: you'll see on the internets a photo or two of 632 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: somebody who is really really good at etcha sketch, and 633 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: it just kind of makes the rounds on social media. 634 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean everything from like the Mona Lisa to 635 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: just like portraits of people to land escapes. What's really 636 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: fun is you can go on YouTube and look at 637 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: time laps renderings at just sketch renderings, which when you're 638 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 3: seeing it done super fast like that, you kind of 639 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: think like, I feel like I could do that. But 640 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 3: you really have to be a master with those knobs. 641 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: Like what I found is the thing you really need 642 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: to master to do everything that you want to do 643 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 3: is being able to retrace well, because, as everyone knows, 644 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 3: it's not like a pencil. You can't pick it up 645 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 3: off the paper and start somewhere else. You have to 646 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 3: if you want to go somewhere else, you have to 647 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 3: retrace as closely to that original line as you can, 648 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: all the way back to that point that you want 649 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 3: to be at or else it's just going to look 650 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 3: like something that I did, which looks like something a 651 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: toddler did. 652 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, like that's a really good point 653 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: when you're making a good at just catch drawing is 654 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: all one single line, so frequently double back over and 655 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: that just sketch artists will use like that frame. They'll 656 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: create a line frame around the edges that they can 657 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: travel back out to and move around the picture like that. 658 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: Pretty brilliant. 659 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a guy named George Vlasitch the third who's 660 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: known for some pretty amazing portraits of Muhammad Ali, Barack 661 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: Obama or Bron James. There's an artist named Jane Labowitch 662 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: or Labovich maybe she calls herself Princess etcha sketch. She's 663 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: done some amazing like architectural detail with it. And then 664 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: there's a guy named Ryan Burton who does erotic Simpson's art. 665 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: There you go with the eedches sketch and all three 666 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: of them are like really good at the ches sketch drawings. 667 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the fanfic of etches sketch or artists interesting. 668 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: And then apparently if you when you're very satisfied with 669 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: your etches sketch and you don't want anything to happen 670 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: to it. You drill a hole in the back and 671 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: get the aluminum powder out, and then you lock the 672 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: knobs to keep them from being turned. Then you have 673 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: an etcha sketch masterpiece that you can hang in a museum. 674 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 3: Oh so that makes it permanent. Yeah, so when the 675 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: little uh so, when a kid comes to the museum 676 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: and rips it off the wall and shakes it, nothing happens. 677 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: No, no, And I think by law you're allowed to 678 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: pick up that kid and shake it. 679 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I think so, as long as it's not a baby. 680 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: Don't check right, you know, never shake a baby. Come on, yeah, 681 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: I would never advocate shaking a baby. Everybody just want 682 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: to go on record as say that. 683 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 3: There was you know, the comedian Nate Bargatzi. No, he 684 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: has a he's great. He's got a very funny bit 685 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 3: about shaking babies. 686 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, believe. 687 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 3: It or not. 688 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: It takes a lot to turn that into something funny. 689 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, he did it. Man, good for him. 690 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: Nate Nate Bergotzi, huh. 691 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 3: Nate Bergazzi, dude, you would love him. He's great. 692 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: So Nate Pergotti just became a cultural icon because we 693 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: did not see him coming up in this episode. 694 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 3: That's right. 695 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: Uh, well, if you want to know more about Nate Bergatzi, 696 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: you should go check him out on the internet like 697 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to. And uh, since I said Nate Bergatzi, 698 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. 699 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 3: Man. If someone tells Nate, we're plugging him, plugging away, 700 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 3: plugging Nate. All right here, I'm gonna mention this is 701 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 3: about Jerry and her eating, and this is from Kim Cooper. 702 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: Did you see this Jerry? 703 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: She says, no. Hey, guys, I notice that you often 704 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 3: mentioned what Jerry is eating a lot during the podcast. 705 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 3: I don't know how close to you, how close she 706 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: is to your microphones. I'll go ahead and say that 707 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 3: from your side over there, she's about five feet Like. 708 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: All I have to do is lean in my seat 709 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: a little bit and I can touch Jerry's miso soup. 710 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 3: That's right. You could dip your thumb in her suit sometimes, 711 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 3: I threatened to I don't know how close she is 712 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 3: to your microphones, but I never hear her eating, which 713 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: is good for your fans with misoponia. But I'm curious 714 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: why she chooses this time to eat do you guys 715 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 3: spend all day podcasting and that's the only time she 716 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: can fit it in. 717 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: No, No, silly. 718 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 3: Question that popped into my head listening to this Week 719 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 3: this week after Josh said, and there's Jerry eating god 720 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 3: knows what. Anyway, guys, she's got me interested in trying me. 721 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 3: So I tell her she's doing a great job because 722 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I know she doesn't get too 723 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 3: many shout outs. And Josh and Chuck, you guys are 724 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 3: pretty great too. That is from Kim Cooper. 725 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: Thanks Kim, that's funny. She went all the way around 726 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: just basically say I guess what I'm trying to say 727 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: is I've always wanted to try miso. 728 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. 729 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: Well go try some meso, Kim. I mean you can 730 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: buy it at like any grocery store. Just go get 731 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: a tub of it, get a big old spoon, try 732 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: your first spoonful and go from there. Do you ever 733 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: eat just miso paste? No, it's good if you're craving 734 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: something salty and savory and dow Mommy, let's just say 735 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: it's good, but you can't you can't eat very much 736 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: of it. I'm just teasing Kim like a spoonful is 737 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of miso paste? 738 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 3: Okay, what do you just add that to? Is it 739 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 3: an ingredient? Yeah, for like soups, sou. 740 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Yeah, but you can just eat the paste, 741 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: okay and live to tell about it. I'm proof. Well, 742 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with us to 743 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: talk about Jerry, we're always fine with that. You can 744 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: go to Stuff you Should Know dot com, find out 745 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: all of our social links, and you can always send 746 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: us an email. Attention everybody. We have a new email 747 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: address is wowie Wow wow Wow. It is Stuff Podcast 748 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: at iheartpodcast Network dot com. 749 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 3: How about that. 750 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 2: For more on this and thousands of other topics, visit 751 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: HowStuffWorks dot com.