WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 3 - Pt. 1 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.040 When I was a young boy, my father he took 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.959 me to the Las Vegas based consumer electronics show and 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.560 he left me here for days. Welcome to Better Offline. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:28.920 I'm your host ed zitpon and we are back talking 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:33.760 about the consumer electronics show. I slept five hours yesterday, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:35.440 so I was a little low energy. Today I am 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.640 way higher energy. So this is what you have to 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.000 expect today. But I'm joined by another dynamic coachie of guests. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.920 On my left here I have Tom McKay's, a senior 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.280 reporter at it brew. Tom, Thank you so much for 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:46.800 joining us. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:48.320 Awesome, it's great to be here. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.120 Hell yeah. And across from me, I have Jesse Ferrara 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:52.600 of your Kickstarter sucks. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:53.199 Hello. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.560 I have loved ykas for years. But also tell people 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.240 a little bit about what YKS is because it's so 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:01.520 germane to the show. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.640 Well, thank you, you know it's uh. I guess it 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.839 has morphed into something that is a tech skeptic show, 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.680 you know, which you're familiar with, and it's it. It 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.120 wasn't supposed to be that. It was supposed to be 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.319 about crowdfunding. But what happens when we get sucked into 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.840 these worlds. You know, you often find, you know, maybe 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.800 there's some more here than I really thought. And such 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.400 is the way of crowdfunding, because now it's it's mostly 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.600 AI stuff, or it's you know, a little robot that 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.080 spins around on a wheel and says how you doing 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.319 or whatever. So uh so, mostly, okay, that was a 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.720 bad example because obviously that's awesome and we all want that. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:40.200 But there's so much of this. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.319 There's a big overlap I guess, between bad tech and 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:44.000 what's on our show. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.120 And you got a lot of your start as well, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.320 was talking about just the shit that people were promising 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.960 on crowdfunding campaigns. Yeah, I think that's what that's like. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.280 It shares like a particular DNA with cees, which we 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.040 were talking a little bit earlier before we got started, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.400 which is, hey, I remember this stuff from last year, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.480 and then you show up and it's not here, right yeah. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.680 And also it's not anywhere. And that's what kickstarter is, right. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.400 There's somebody who says, what if we did this, and 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.120 you go, well, I don't know, man, I mean I 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.120 guess try it, and they go okay, and then nothing 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.040 happens after that at all, and the only record of 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.960 it sometimes is our stupid. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.399 Show saying how much it sucks, so so really doing 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.480 the pure journalism there, it's anthropology as well that I 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:21.800 you know, I don't want to sell it short but 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.200 all right, so, oh my right, I have Henry Casey, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.560 electronics writer at CNN underscored Henry, thank you for being here. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:30.560 Thank you for having me. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.640 So a lot of your stuff is just you. You 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.280 have one of the more honest jobs I would say 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.280 of the people that we've had on so far, which 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.320 is not meant to sound like an insult though it does, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.520 okay in the sense that you're just like, I'm gonna 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.960 look at stuff like It's not like you're doing like 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.800 a trend piece. It's like, I'm gonna look at some 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.440 stuff that sounds or looks away. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.440 Is it something that is either gonna be released and 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.640 has a price or life to be likely to be 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.640 released and has a price, but well, we're all afraid 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.800 of tariff so we're not gonna give a price yet. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.480 Or is it really cool and you're gonna want to 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.560 click on it? And I'm sorry that we're gonna say 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.720 this as a concept that we're gonna tell you that upfront. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.160 Those are the three categories of what I do. But 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.920 for mostly I'm proc reviews. Guy, I am we have 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.240 a customer, we have an audience. It's like, oh, I 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.600 want to get something that improves X, Y or Z. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.480 And that's how I get to not cover stuff that 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.840 isn't going to help anybody or anything. And how I 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.400 got to avoid talking about the Rabbit last year because 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.160 it didn't have any dreamanness to anybody. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.080 And you made a point before we got on as well. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.080 So the Rabbit r one for people that don't know, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.800 is this little box that promised to you could be like, oh, 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.520 I need a McDonald and I need a chicken nugget 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.880 from McDonald and then you talked into it and the 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.400 nugget would appear. Except by the way and the launch 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:43.920 of the Rabbit. When he tried to do this, it 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.240 broke of all the shit to do, like a live 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.360 demo of your very broken thing, and it turned out 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.320 that behind the scenes all it was was triggering like 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.480 these scripts. Nothing from Rabbit this year, but also nothing 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.920 like Rabbit this year. No one has done a big 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.440 cause I lie. No one's just come up with a 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.080 fake thing than this selling, which is very disappointing. I 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.680 was looking for some dog shit. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.520 Yeah you normally in these times I find you know, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.120 we look to the helpers, and so I looked for 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.480 will I Am and I found him and I was 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.800 able to take a creepshot of him from really far away. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.040 So if that helps anybody, I'd be happy to share. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.200 But it doesn't seem like even will I Am had something. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.360 It was like a speaker thing or some kind of headphones, right. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.320 Like even and speakers and a little bit of headphones 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.279 with LG they had an event. I didn't get coded 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.120 it last night. But yeah, they're doing a whole partnership. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.000 That's great. I feel like, maybe I don't know, is 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.279 maybe this is too cynical. I almost feel like we're 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.520 good on speakers. I think maybe I have enough ways 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.400 to like play music in my house and I probably 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.520 don't need to iterate on that anymore. But yeah, these 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.040 guys didn't get the message on that for sure. So 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.200 Tom McKay, so it, bro, what are you doing here? 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.840 What are you actually looking into? Because it seems like 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.320 you might have a slightly different remit. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:59.160 So I mostly cover enterprise technology, so I'm here mostly 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.840 to cover know what there is of the B two 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:07.120 B segment here and cybersecurity stuff I don't know. Yesterday 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:12.720 I interviewed a guy, Brandon Lucca, who does his company 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.640 called Efficient Computing or Efficient Computer. Uh it you know, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.800 dramatically lowers the power requirements of processing stuff. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.800 Yeah, that doesn't I mean. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.000 Uh, And I've spent a lot of time just wandering 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:26.679 around the floor. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:27.159 Uh. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.200 The AI pavilion is baffling in harf Is that in 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.040 the LVCC. Yeah, that's the that's a big LG one 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.800 where they have I forget if it's LG's branding, but 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.719 there's like one that's like the rebranding it is Affectionate 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.840 Intelligence and it's just absolute dog shit. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:43.720 Well does that mean? 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:44.160 Uh? 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.560 Well, from what I can see, there's like a big 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.640 board you go in there, or a big TV when 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.359 you go in there, and it's like playing CGI clips 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.159 of like a family being like it's cold today? What 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.720 should I cook? And the fridge starts talking. It's like wow, 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.440 I the fuck I know? And it's like or like 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.680 there's another clip that plays on it where it's like 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.479 a girl like tossing a baseball and the Dad's like 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.520 I need recommendations for TV and lo and behold the 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.479 TV recommends baseball clips. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:11.800 Well. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.120 I love about this as well as the assumption that 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.200 there are assumptions being made by people that have not 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.680 talked to a person in some time. They're just like, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.359 they're just like, what the fuck did dads do with 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.960 their daughters? Did they throw a ball? I guess what 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:27.440 do I make? 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.280 Is like baby talking adults. It's it feels insane. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.440 I'm sure we all walk up to the fridge and go, well, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.480 there's one thing in there. It's a pack of ham. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.720 I don't know if it's ten days or ten weeks old. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.120 Maybe I could make dinner with that. But also I 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.840 don't know who is walking up to fridge and going like, man, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.960 I wish someone would tell me what to make with 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:48.640 all this fee. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.840 I wish the fridge would tell me don't eat that 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.400 it's been there for seven days. But none of this does. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.600 That, no, because that's an actual problem. Yeah, versus there's 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.000 no Bachelor fridge. I did, however, see a Bachelor dish 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.320 washer A dish so this is really. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.440 Finn It's marketed as four batchelor. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.440 It should be it's a five second dish washer, So 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.040 I walked up and this is this is very me. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:11.920 I walked up and go all right, how much that 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.600 four hundred bucks? I'm like okay, I'm like is it 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.920 out here only in China right now? Coming next year? 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.000 And I said, all right, can you show me? And 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.400 he puts the plate in the I'm like, you put 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.280 the dirty one. He's like, oh, I'm already doing this one. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:22.760 I'm like, well it's pretty short, and he just like 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.320 stares there and goes, okay, well I'm going to put 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.040 this one. And I'm like okay, so the clean one, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.800 and he goes I'm like, how long? Five seconds? Like 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:36.040 great one, two, three, four, five, six seven. And the 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.960 guy's just like, oh god, because no one's walked up 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.400 and timed it. Yeah, And he just like looks at 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.560 me like it just it's a dish. I'm like, no, 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.640 this is great. It's for like like sad guys, right, 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.160 and he just he goes, I sure, he's like this. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.520 This guy's already out timed the. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.640 Miss Still it cleans a single plate at a time. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.280 No, you can do like a few, but it actually 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.760 looked like genuinely I was like I could see using this. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.480 But the reason I choose the bachelor thing is who 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.600 is cleaning like three plates? Like it's like but also 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.440 absolutely like this is like when you're making one set 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.679 off one set, gentleman talking about myself and uh yeah, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.960 but what's weird was that's arguably one of the most 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.520 useful things I've seen. Appliances are useful. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.920 Yeah, like we've yeah, we figured out Okay, it's good 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.559 when you wash the dish or you make the food 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.120 or whatever. So like we're all on board with how 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.000 to do that kind of stuff. So if they put 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.000 a different screen on it, you're gonna get me to stop. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.200 I'll look at the new screen on the fridge. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.680 I really do like all the AI screen stuff though, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.079 Like so it's just like they haven't worked out why 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.360 screens are useful. Eth Yeah, that's also a problem. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.640 I do in theory, like the idea of like tell 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.360 me or I could make with this because I make 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.319 the same sheet pan dish a lot, and if I 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.080 could have a thing that could tell me, hey, who 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.480 the new thing you could make with some of these ingredients. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.360 Just get one new thing. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.120 But you're saying you already have the ingredients. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.240 Yeah, what or like it could suggest hey, half of 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.160 these ingredients, get this other thing, make this other dish something. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.400 They push it to be more creative with what you 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.319 do because you think they're all taking over our imagination. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.880 Correct, that's what the whole gimmick is. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.679 AI is imagination that executives can buy an outsource human 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.520 work to. Okay, that's that's the methods that nobody's saying about, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.680 like help me be a more adventurous call. 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.760 But it starts to telling you before you go to 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.440 the store, though, right, you can't. There's no world where 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.079 you have like you don't have like leaks in your fridge, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.560 and like what am I gonna do all these leaks? 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.600 Like you fucking bought the leaks right now? 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.440 Yeah, there are leaks in the shield. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:33.800 Okay, well you know what leaks are? 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:34.080 Good? 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.160 So bad? Example by me? Well I like them? Okay, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.280 that's all right, Well i'll see you later. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:45.080 Then here is like helpful who doesn't feels like there's 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.640 a team leak and like a team anti leak. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.439 So I did see one thing I like though, and 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.280 I think it confused them because so I found so 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.760 you know those golf simulators where you knock the ball 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.000 into a screen and it has like senses. They had 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.640 one for baseball. Oh so it was all of these 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.600 like Korean guys and I walk up, like are you 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.320 doing and they're like already just like British guy. This 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.680 guy doesn't know anything about the baseball or absolutely did 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.920 so have you got partnerships with the KBO And they're like, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.280 oh uh, like does this work? Is this like hit tracks? 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.880 So to explain some baseball tech for you, it's actually 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.800 fucking cool if you go to like local bat in 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.319 cages z cages here in Vegas just doing ads. They 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.040 did not pay me, in fact I pay them, and 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.760 they're very hard to schedule with sometimes. Anyway. What they 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.199 have is a thing called hit tracks, so when you 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.160 hit it, it sees the lolosty of the ball and 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.760 like where you hit it and such, and this stuff's 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.360 fairly easily available. The thing is it requires a natural 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.480 bat in case you build around this. One is kind 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.440 of like the golfing thing. It's like fifteen grand and 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.680 they're like, hey you good bye one. I'm like no, no, no, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.559 but and I was like, this is the only thing 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.480 I'd like to see. Yes, And they seem so happy. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.840 They seemed genuinely happy and then they really wanted to 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.520 sell me when I was like, and then they seemed 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.520 less happy. Are they trying to sell it to people 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.800 or just like bars, they're trying to sell it to 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.280 teams and and I assume, like dying looking British men 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.800 right and sadly that it's very small market there. But 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.120 that was really cool, and it's like, I did get 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.040 this feeling walking around. I've spent the day in the 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.480 Venetian expo hole, so the one right connected to the 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.560 Venetian I did get this weird feeling. Though CS gets 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.280 done dirty because most of CS is so fucking boring. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.800 It's but not in a bad way. It's like more 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:27.680 efficiency driving, battery technology, mobility for this, like and urine 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.160 sensors and such, and I wanted to make if I 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.160 saw urine, and naturally I'm just like a photo. I'm like, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.360 oh wait, this is useful and it's good to look 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.520 at p Yeah, I have to I love looking at 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:39.240 the piss Yeah. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.320 But then you gave me one of the p test kits. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.560 I haven't used it yet, yeah, I did. I gotta 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.600 see how my pots states are. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.280 I guess I was walking out of a CS once 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.960 and I saw like an ai semen. It's like and 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.559 I really want to walk up and be like, hey, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:52.480 do you want to Can I have a go? 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.240 There is? Actually I saw a booth that's like selling 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.760 like a I guess it's a machine that like measures 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.640 your spur motility orso. And you know, I don't think 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:07.719 they were doing products on site, but whose well I 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.840 didn't see If there's a little booth in the corner. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.200 Yeah, can I just hey, I got some with me. 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.040 But also I did see a few things that really 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.760 bothered me. And there was one where they had this 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.080 VR glasses thing and it said a new hope for 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.120 autism and dyslexia. And I'm gonna be talking about this 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.600 a few times on this show. Move a VR and 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.800 I walk over. I'm like, hey, so have you talked 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.880 to the FDA about this? And the one goes, what's that? 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.880 Which is a good start, and I'm like, okay, well, 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.319 they're the ones you'd have to work with to make 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.720 this legal in America. Oh, we're not a medical device. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:47.040 I'm like, oh, okay, so how is this good for autism? Well, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.319 it's great for autism and dyslexia. I just paused. My 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.120 guy so I have someone in a fan with the autism. 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.720 So I started getting a little bit pissed off, and 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.000 I was like, Okay, do you think those are the 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:01.320 same things? And sheid, no, they're different. How pause again, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.680 I go, what clinical trials have you done? Well, we've 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.400 done clinical trials. I'm like, where where France, I'm like, oh, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.400 what are you talking about? And just to be clear, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.520 the classic thing that autistic people love is putting new 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.280 things on and new experiences. And this thing was by 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:19.920 the way you put the glasses on and you had 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:25.559 to move a character through letters to like do something. Okay, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.680 uh huh. And let me just be clear. This person 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.200 who I talked to clearly had not been asked a 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.160 single question in their life, because they were very confused 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.080 that I kept saying, what do you How does this 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.920 help autistic people? And they're like, they do they play 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.520 the game. And I just want to say, if you 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.560 were on this floor and you have anything to do 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.440 with autism and I find you, I'm putting you on 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.000 this fucking show and putting your assd on fucking blast 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:51.439 because it's disgusting. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.840 I have noticed not through Kickstarter, well some through Kickstarter, 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:03.000 but the impulse to make it easy on devices or 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.360 products or whatever that are ostensibly for people who need 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.040 help in various areas. Is like, that's tempting, right yea, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.560 to say like, oh cool, somebody's trying to figure something out. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.199 But a lot of times there's so much worse than 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.480 just the normal jackof tech that it feels bad to 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.760 evaluate them at all. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.040 Wasn't this the thing that Lena Connan you were talking 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.880 out ed about, how like, oh, we're in a new 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.560 area of technology. We want we want less criticism, we 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.560 want we want more protection, less scrutiny. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.560 And this one is just a bit And you're right, Jesse, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.760 there's a lot of stuff here where it's just like, oh, yeah, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.240 we're helping people, so give us a break. Okay. Now, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.720 I talked with Ben Woolf who's a friend of the show, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.640 and he sent a quote through about this company said 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.480 where I think they're utterly full of shit. Is the 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.480 other testimonial on the website movie via The principles of 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.400 the experience offered by movear is to address the visual 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.240 constraints found, according to the TVPS four manual in diagnosed 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.840 learning disorders such as dyslexia, ADHD and DCD. This is 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.239 frankly crap. Dyslexia is enormously variable, and immersive environments are nonsensical. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.480 Quote treatment. He's doing little air quotes around that. ADHD 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.480 has no reason to be mechanicalistically vulnerable to this kind 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.400 of intervention. The point is that none of these people 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.880 talk to any fucking scientists, and the tech media needs 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.080 to go and harass them because you should not be 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.560 able to come onto this floor and feel safe. Okay, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:23.480 I don't mean physically from criticism. There we go because 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.560 it just really bothers me. And a lot of what's 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.720 in the expo hare in the Venetian is this stuff. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.320 There's so much health stuff. It's we were talking about yesterday. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.960 It's disgusting. Oh you guys love health. I no, I 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:40.200 want to diet, like just we will kill you. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.840 In like you've been asked like, oh, talk about something 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.720 you're excited and happy about with tech, that. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.240 The baseball thing and the workout, the any workout shit. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.800 But you post you're like, yeah, good jack, that stuff 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:54.480 is the stuff. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.880 I'm like, I'm using the supernatural VR thing right that's 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.720 actually getting my heart rate up and I see the 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.080 char whatever its suitable alternative to going to the gym. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.760 It's to avoid the weirdos. It's there is good stuff 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.560 out there to get healthy intech, but it's the the 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.640 Venetian floor is really condensed and too tight to make 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.640 any sense of unless you're a team of twenty five people, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.440 and the Verge doesn't have a twenty five person health team. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.920 They got Victoria's song one of the best. She's christ 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.320 she's one of the best. Or yeah, she's got one 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.320 of the single best. She's like the remaining wearable reporter. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.000 She's so good. And now here's the thing. I'm just 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.400 gonna read you what this company, wishtails Ai had on 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.720 that thing is so empowering creators and consumers. With multimodal AI, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.640 the iPhone turned anyone into a photographer. Wishtails empowers everyone 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.240 to be a creator. I could not make heads or 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.720 tails of what this company did. I do not know. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.600 They just the music art automations create multimodal AI videos 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.640 in mins, in twenty eight languages, and it just says 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.240 ignite multimodal creativity. Imagine if they had any quality control. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.640 I mean, this just sounds like stuff the iPhone already does. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.919 Yeah, but also you create multimodal video. No you don't, 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.280 we model you fucking to these people. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.199 The iPhone is mostly single modal, right, so that's like 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.360 a huge because if you do more of the models 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:15.960 then won't that be like better and stuff? 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.560 Yeah, you know, like a hundred models going right now. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.239 That's insane. It's like really cool. I'm spinning them up. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:22.400 I don't believe that's possible. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.199 Anything is possible if you lie. So Tom, you mean 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.959 looking and surprise stuff? Is there anything good? Is there 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:31.120 any any joys? 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.080 I mean for the most I mean like this is 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.600 mostly you know, consumer electronics. I've been going around, like 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.199 there's a lot of interesting drones that are intended for 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.280 I guess like the B to B market. Interesting how 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.600 like industrial scanning and stuff that's interesting. I mean the 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.240 big themes this year are AI and robotics. I think, uh, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.920 there's just a lot of sony robots. I mean it's 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.080 funny though, so I forget what it's called. But I 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.640 saw this one drone that's like a I don't know, tetra, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:05.720 don't know the big uh the sphere with like I 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.720 can't remember the name of the shape. But yes, like 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.320 a spear and it rolls around and then it can 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.639 also fly. But I was talking with the guys that 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.399 made this, and I was like, all right, so you know, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.800 what's what's the application of this And he's like, actually, 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.159 we're here to you know, get ideas. That's what the 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.800 potential applications are. Like, you built this before. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.560 Coming up with a business plan. Yeah, we're pre we 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:26.520 have pre reason. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.439 We just I mean the only thing they had was 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.280 like they gave me a brochure where it was like 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:38.080 a little diagram of a pile of rocks and uh 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.040 they like it just said search and rescue and then 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.600 it had a picture of a tube and it's like 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.760 not real inspection. And I'm like, okay, I guess if 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.880 you have a really big tube that you need inspected. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.000 I love all them down large tubes. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.480 I hope there's so many corners. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.840 Tube guys are eating good this year's cube issues. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.600 I'm glad my tube's going to be sorted by the 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.439 end of this trip. This is a bad location to be. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.240 I also got this At every CS I do look 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.240 up names. I have a lot of fun looking at names. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.120 Everyone called skip up and the AI spot stethoscope And 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.119 when I showed this to Phil, a resident safety expert. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:25.360 He made this Noise EDGEAI Technology application Primary Screening by 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.280 AI for heart and lung health abnormalities. So I'm gonna 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.439 stop there before I get angry. What everyone is doing 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.560 is they just like, we had an algorithm before, and 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:40.360 we are just saying AI because otherwise they will realize 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.960 it's the same thing from four years ago. And in fact, 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.080 I feel like the theme right now for CS is dang, 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:47.760 we did this a year ago. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.200 And a lot of it is we had an algorithm 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.600 and now we're slapping an additional layer on top best 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.680 like chat GPT. So basically it does the exact same 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.119 thing it did before, except you have an inaccurate robot 0:19:58.160 --> 0:19:59.160 relaying what's happening. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:00.960 And that's the thing you can fine dumb guys do 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.919 not understand stuff for free. You can just get a 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:08.000 bloke Becau's just like, I think, what okay, all right? 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean I read into one that was 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.199 like a like AI enabled like scuba diver kit with 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.240 like the dive watches and stuff, and it's like, yeah, 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.080 I could just like I could just like swim over 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.399 in a panic to the other diver and point at 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.040 the watch and be like, oh, what does this mean? 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.880 And I missed. I was really upset that I didn't 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.240 hit the floor yesterday because there was apparently a speech 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.840 in the Web three tokenization fintech section just called metaverse 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.360 and quantum ai. Oh my god, I'm so mad. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.280 I we're still using the word metaverse in twenty twenty five. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:37.840 I love. 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.679 I never understood why anyone fell for that shit in 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.680 the first place, but the fact that some people are 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.520 still chasing it is wild to me. 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.439 I'm also going to give a shout out to the 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:53.520 only good booth here, the hang Joe Hyoshi Lighting Cone Limited. 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:58.239 Just a big son that said Wooden Lamb Nice. I 0:20:58.320 --> 0:20:59.840 just loved that because it's like everyone else is just 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.440 I was just making shit up. It's like they I've 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.440 got a fucking lamp you want to Oh no, sorry. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.320 I finally found it the thing that I love the most. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.520 So I walked up to a booth where the sign 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.679 said bridging Massage and Purification for your pet. And I 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.919 walked up and I'm just showing everyone right now. It 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.560 is an air purifier with what looks like a spike 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.000 on the end. Oh yeah, my dog would like that, 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.240 that's what they told me. Yeah, because I walked up 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.879 and said, hi, so I just was reading your sign. 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.800 What does that mean? She's oh, of course, very ready 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.240 for the question, alarmingly so. And because will you see 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.000 the pet wall kind of massage themselves, I'm like, on 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.560 the spike and they will just so the dog just 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.240 just does this, and she's like yeah, and we have 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:46.080 a lower one for smaller dogs. I'm like, right, so 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.040 the dog just shoves itself. 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:50.960 Well, have you ever seen that with cows that they have, 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.040 like the big brushes on the farms that the cows 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:54.400 walk up to and scratch their back. 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.560 I've never seen a dog do this. I've never seen 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:57.360 a dog massage. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.560 Do you attach spikes to your whilst yes. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.240 Of course right, but I've never seen a dog well no, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.359 those are fither and paling. But it's a prince of 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.080 purchase situation. We'll get to it later. But it's I've 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.320 never seen a dog massage themselves against something anyone's seen. 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:15.199 My dog will come in and kind of rub his 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.959 back on the couch, not on the spike if the 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.200 couch had a spike, you know. But it's also the 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.480 spike is coming down. Yeah, I don't know. And this 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.640 is a big booth as well. These people have spent 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.040 tens of thousands of dollars being like, well, I've got 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.119 to get the dog spike air purifier? Is that? 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:31.280 I don't know? Have you? 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.080 Have you talked about that a lot, like the actual 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.040 economics of putting on a booth, like sponsoring something. 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.399 He probably should have looked that up. Yeah, what does 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.720 it take to show up? I mean tens of thousands 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.880 of dollars, it's like one hundred thousand dollars for main 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.520 hol Yes, absolutely, wow, And it's crazy. It's like there's 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.159 so much stuff that's theoretical yeah or pre idea like 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:57.240 like I don't know, and it's just so strange. But so, Tom, 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.400 did you see anything you like yet? Did you see 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:00.240 anything good? 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:04.240 Good? I like the massage chairs. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.240 I nearly thought that every year though, the massage chairs 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.520 fucking rock. They go they scam guys who are going 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.000 to see yes to the first time, like, oh yeah 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.240 it's four thousand dollars, we'll there for two and it 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:14.720 cost them three hundred dollars And. 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.600 Yeah, it kind of like locked me into the chair. 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.800 There was like panels that compressed me and I couldn't 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.640 leave it nearly fell asleep. That was great. 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.000 Yeah, anything else. 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.399 Uh, can we get back to me? 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.399 No, but it's fine if you don't have an on stuff. 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.280 Because I didn't, you know, I saw, you know, some 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.840 robots that were cool. There's this one company, I think 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.040 be Bot, that was working on a robotic turtle for 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:39.560 like environmental research. 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:44.040 Sorry, that sounds really good. Sorry, I thought you meant 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.360 a member of It looks like a turtle, don't. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.560 I don't know. I don't know why it needs to 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.960 look like a turtle, but it but it apparently swims 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.000 and everything, and you can launch it into the sea 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.040 and it does it somehow does environmental reasons When we 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:57.240 kill When. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:01.560 We kill all the turtles, dude, global warming, We're just 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:02.960 gonna replace them with just. 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.160 Some post apocalyptic future. This will be like Level one enemies, 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.360 just swarms of like little robot turtles. Yeah. 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.439 Yeah, right Now I have to kill the rats in 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.640 the Vegas in the Vegas at queducts to Vegas sewers. 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:18.920 Yeah. 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.600 I go down there with kill a fee rats. Then 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.200 there's a giant one and I have to run out 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.840 to the cops and they shoot me Jesse, anything good. 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.920 I well, I was wondering. I was thinking maybe Tom 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.399 would bring these guys up. I accidentally got sucked into 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.200 the Soul Semiconductor. 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.560 Booth that yet. 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:39.320 Okay, so these guys basically make the most baller semiconductors 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:40.359 you've ever seen in your life. 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:40.600 Sake. 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:42.879 I I walked it. It's a pretty big booth. They 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.600 did a cool thing where it was like they had 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:50.480 some really like uh, post apocalyptic messaging almost on the walls, 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.080 but I think in like a cool way, like an 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.119 environmental type of way. The thing they had on the 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:59.000 sign at the top was like like birth does not 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:04.399 guarantee six something like really you saw it. 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.480 Wow, It's like it's almost a unity, like it's a 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:13.520 people empowerment. Yeah yeah, and like people are meming the Okay. 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.320 I want to meet the guy you can swear like 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.280 you can say fucking shit and bowls and all the 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.840 other ones. H I love that as well, because I 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:21.240 want to meet the post thing reads then and goes 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:25.240 fuck well damn. Other than Jesse. I thought it was great. 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.119 So I walk immediately in and it's like a super 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.679 serious guy and he's like, hey, how's it going? 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:31.160 And I was like, hey, what's up? 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.960 You know, what are you guys doing, and like immediately 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:37.360 looking around and realizing there's nothing here that I know 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.200 what it is. So but he was saying like, hey, 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.480 we make all the LED backlights for like all of 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:43.240 the TVs. 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.679 I'm like, hey, I actually actually useful. 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.359 Great, you know, or they do like, you know, most 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.719 a lot of cars, new cars now especially have the 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.119 the LED headlights, tail lights and all that kind of stuff. 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.439 So clearly they do that stuff too. That's great. I 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.439 can't really make a joke about LED headlights. So I 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.119 kind of got stuck in a conversation with him for 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.600 about ten or fifteen minutes. But if you're just waiting 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.800 to make a joke, I just truly trying to get 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.840 out of there with yeah anything as just trying to 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:13.040 do something I didn't. I almost said like, oh, so 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:14.919 you're the guy I should be mad at when I 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.080 you know, the lights are really bright on the road 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.399 at night. But it looked like he wasn't even willing to, 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.200 like I wasn't gonna go. 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.080 Over at all. You'd just be like no, And then 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.080 he scanned. 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.600 My badge, Ah, he's going to send you an email. 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.400 I had to run away really fast from the badge. 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.840 The good thing is that with me, especially today, like 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.080 I'm fully energetic. So I'm just walking around with a 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:38.080 black mask and my eyes just fucking bulging out my 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.240 head and i walk really fast because I've done this 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.040 show so many times, I just I know exactly the route. 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.359 So you just see this high speed British man in 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.119 a Jensen hung style leather jacket, just fucking making a 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.560 beeline for you, taking three photos, going what's this? And 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.679 it's I actually apologize to anyone I've. 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.560 It sounds like a two dollars Horrd game on Steam. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.040 But it becomes a hen Ti one lights out Henry. 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.280 What is so? Is that anything you've. 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.000 Liked as much as it can be the negative person 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.720 in any conversation actually. 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:14.720 Have three So that's three more than most tcl is. Do. 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.600 They have these next paper devices. They've then Matt screens 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.439 and stuff. Now they're doing something really actually great with it. 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.800 I think I expect Apple will have their own version 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:24.560 of in two to three years. This thing is the 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.399 next paper eleven plus tablet, which basically has a mode 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.640 where it switches into basically an e ink like screen mode, 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.000 which will a incredibly good battery life. Probably be let 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.440 your regular Android tablet become an e reader looking thing 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.920 has a Matt screen device. You know how Apple's got 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.840 the iMac and the iPad. Now with Matt screens, past 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:50.439 that technology onto an iPhone screen, put this mode on it, 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.600 and they're going to have battery life better than they've 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:53.120 ever had. 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:54.600 And then. 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.520 I'm not a huge fan of suitcase turntables. There's good reason. 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.399 I think Crosley's sort of ruined the idea of a 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.840 two kase certain table. But Victrola has one that has Hilariously, 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:06.840 I think it's has lighting in the front that. 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.199 You can sync up to the music. And it's seventy 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.199 five bucks, which called the Journey Glow I believe. 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.520 And it's like, if it's Victrolla is a trustable brand, 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.000 I feel like in sound. So it's like a a 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.320 s Kate ceranin table that doesn't ruin your records. And 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.360 they played Daft Punk on it. It sounds pretty good. 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.760 And then I told you about this earlier. Lenovo's got 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.440 a think Book plus Gen sixteen laptop, mouthful of a name, 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:32.080 but the laptop screen raises it basically rolls up inside 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.280 so you can give them more vertical but in the 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.320 same size. It's your normal laptop. I didn't get to 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.320 actually demo it because I had to run, but like, 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.920 that's the laptop changing in a great way, which we 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.680 don't say that often in this tech reviewer industry that 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:47.520 I get to play in. 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.320 Oh well, yeah, it feels kind of strange having someone 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.800 who remembers stuff they like, though. 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.760 I mean, actually, I'd be remiss not to bring this up. 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.920 Some of the stuff I liked here isn't even like electronics, Like, well, 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.760 half the stuff here is ant even electronics. It's like 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.880 the consumer product show. But there was this one company 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.240 they were the most popular booth at this event last 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.600 night that was selling like little metal strips that you 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.080 are advertising, little metal strips that you put on your 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.520 nose to like sleep better at night, and they work 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.120 fantastically better that I like, I've got sleep apne I 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.080 assume eighty percent of people that go see s of 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.040 sleep apia, So I mean it was it was wild. 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.000 There's like twenty people lined up and this guy was 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.040 like doing his like carny thing of like gluing these 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:30.000 two people's noses. 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:34.240 Well, this has been such a wonderful episode. We'll start 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:35.880 with you, Tom Tom. Where can People find You? 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:41.080 People can find me on x dot com at the 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.200 Tom Zone, or they can find me at Blue Sky 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.479 at Don't Judge Me, Captured two dot Besky dot Social. 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.719 He is kat Ted Jesse, where can People find You? 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.880 Your Kickstarter sucks is the podcast and go off Kings' 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.680 is the twitch stream. Jesse it's I think it's jessefar 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.520 dot com on Blue Sky and yell the links are 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:00.960 from there. 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.920 And Henry, I write primarily for CNN Underscored, which you 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.760 can open instantly just by typing in underscore dot com. 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.880 I also have a newsletter and all sorts of stuff 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.960 which is accessible if I'm Henry tkacy dot net. That's 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.320 Henry tca s e y dot net. And also that's 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:18.520 my luseky name too. 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:20.640 And as we close off this blook of the episode, 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.560 I just want to say something really quick before we 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.760 go to an ad break. Just want to say Henry 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.880 brought up daft punk. Daft Punk have not made a 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:30.440 good album since Discovery. Human after all is dogshit. It 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.960 is repeated bits, and I thought the soundtrack of Tron 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:36.520 was kind of boring. Come at me. I'm sick of 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.640 hearing about daft punk being good anytime. Recently Human after 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.400 all pissed me off so much. Anyway, coming up after 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.040 this ad break, we're gonna have even more wonderful people 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.320 from CES. And if Doppunk is listening, try not looping, 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.000 Try doing something interesting with your electronic music. You and me, 0:30:52.160 --> 0:31:07.160 doph Punk. I'm sick of it. I just counted us 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.720 back in for an episode and I went three two one, 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.840 and I just want to be clear to the listeners 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.840 that I did two three four, I did four fingers up. 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.320 My brain is coming out of my goddamn ears. I 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.360 am dying, but I'm joined by amazing people. Nevertheless, ed 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.400 on Gwaiso Junior is to my right, of. 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.960 Course, Hello, how's everyone doing? 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:32.000 Jesse for of course your kickstarter sucks. Hello, And we 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:36.120 have the other one, Mike Hale from YKS, who is 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:42.160 fresh from a tech company called Cole's Tom McKay of 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.400 course from it Brow and we're back talking about CS. 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.480 But ed on Giso Junior, you've been on the main 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.560 the main hall, the main floor. How was how was that? 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:52.880 I mean, no, you would you be surprised if I 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.960 told you everything? Is powered by AI. Now every single thing, 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:02.440 please elaborate. You know I refrigerators. 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.240 Okay, to what ends? 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:09.320 Well, you know you you need something that recognizes what 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.120 time of day you decide to have certain types of 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:16.000 coffee and how much of that to keep. 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.760 And morning, right morning, right morning? Okay? 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:19.200 You know. 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.640 Freaking chica want to have it at lunch, you know? 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.880 Or whoa So you know there was a legal text, right, 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.080 But one that I was really interested in is this 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.680 company that is saying, hey, look, the future of technology 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:37.800 it's minimalism. We want to reconnect you with human nature. 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:39.240 And the way that we're going to do that the 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.280 way we're going to get you off your screen. We're 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.560 going to give you a headset that you have to 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.560 keep on for nine hours a day, and it will 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:51.000 give you uninterrupted access to your artificial intelligence suite of 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.800 arapists productivity assistance. 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.920 With human is with AI. Yes, but that's. 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.040 So that you can reconnect with you in nature, and 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.720 it will give you notifications by calling you. It will 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.120 forward you to therapists that you talk to, friends that 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:11.120 you talk to powered by Claude almost exclusively. 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.200 That sounds like something you pick up in the tutorial. 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:15.480 Level of like BioShock. 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.840 Yeah, yeah, you know, this is this is the tutorial. 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.200 Is this a big company or no, they are connected 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.920 with this other company. This is a this is a 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.880 side venture of another company. 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:34.520 Because it was the main hole. So the LVCC is 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:39.560 it's remarkable because it's it's so expensive to be that, 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.719 like we're talking about the economic cella. You're talking one 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:43.880 hundred grands through the dorm show. Yeah, and it's like, 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:45.840 so we're doing one hundred grand for this thing that 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.600 is just barely conceptual. Yeah. 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.240 That's also the thing, as they emphasize, most of these 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:55.560 things do not exist yet they have demos that the 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.080 demo did not work when I was there, what happened, 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.719 what happened, couldn't just couldn't even hear me, couldn't connect 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:06.000 to the internet, couldn't recognize any command whatsoever. They were like, well, 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:07.640 you know, see, actually the thing that happened is one 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.720 of our guys took the mic home, so it actually 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:10.399 works really well. 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.319 Come back with it. I have no idea that didn't 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.520 swing on it. He gets nervous, you know, he's playing 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:18.200 with it, you know. 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.880 But yeah, so this idea here is uninterrupted access to 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.080 an AI so that you can reconnect to your human nature, 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.359 which is to talk to a bunch of assistants. 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.520 Did they explain why this reconnections? 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.040 Yeah? Why would you? Don't you look at your screen? Okay, 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.320 so you talk to your microphone though, yeah, and that's different. Yeah, 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.160 it's very different. So you're no dopamine loop. Okay, so 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.759 you're looking at you you're not looking at a screen, right, 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.799 but you all talking to the microphone. Are you just 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.520 staring into the abyss y? 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.759 No, you're just walking around daily life, just like it's 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:54.800 just like doing something else he likes. But then he was, 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.560 you know, then they also you know, admit that. Oh yeah, 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.359 also to ask you to get on your phone a lot, 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:04.759 you know, way ahead. 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.080 Of you already on my phone. 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.560 Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a movie, except she's constantly remind you. 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:13.800 It's like, hey, remember to go on this website of 0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:15.799 buy Gibbs. Hey, go take a picture of this. I 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.440 can analyze it and put it at a search engine. Hey, 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.239 go on this discord channel. Hey, you know, talk to 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.520 another you know, always constant notifications to. 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.319 Get back on your phone. But it's about getting off 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.640 your phone, right, And that's the thing. Katie the top 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.759 of the Severe Business Inside have said this last year 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.680 very thing. It's like, I love my phone. It's where 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.279 all my stuff is. Yeah, I like I'm on my 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.400 phone because I don't know, I don't have to look 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.080 at the real world. And who wants to do that. 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:43.640 The ultimate use case for the voice activated technology, right 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.320 has always been being in the car. Because we're in America. 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.440 Everyone drives a car. It's the most dangerous thing to do, 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.160 except for to try to put your drink on a 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:52.880 side table. 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:58.800 Okay, Jesse, I'm bost on my fucking podcast, Jesus Christ. 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.480 I just I just a party foul and it went 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.880 out and it went down like perfectly as well. So 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.840 it's like a really like it's a real. 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.000 Splute classic cartoon spill. 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.319 Well, well, well, it's really not your fault because the 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.879 side table has a slight rate. 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.560 It's like a there's a slight raised area in the 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:19.600 middle of the side table. 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.840 I mean, yeah, I'm like, I like have a knife 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.400 out and I'm just pointing to. When you think about it, 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.600 it's the table's fault. Yeah, the table that Yeah, that's right. 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.440 We're all met at the table obviously. 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.520 Yeah, that's right, Okay, that's why you should have picked 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.200 up a Semen smart table from. 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.799 A smart table. Did I wish that was real? I 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.359 wish there was a smart table a few years ago. 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.880 It was just a table the vessel table of course. 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.400 Thank you the beautiful ball tend to Phil brought and 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:49.960 I say it to clean up my mess? May I 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.879 have another place? I'm drinking something over the Laha, which 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.680 is Phill's Black Blood of the Earth with some vodka 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.719 and Irish cream. Thank you Phil. Anyway, what were we 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:00.359 talking about, ed so? 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.879 Oh yeah, And the name of the thing is it's 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:08.080 Italian for human nature. I'm forgetting this human nature natural 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.920 Jesus Christ. Do you see what else? What else was it? 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.280 I feel like finding out my coming home and finding 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:16.960 my kid is fucked up a bunch of shit, Like 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.040 like what else did you see that? I mean? 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.279 That was that was the one that pulled me in 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.120 because they had a giant banner that said AI people 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.120 underneath above it. Oh good, And I was like, oh okay, 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.160 so you know, I walked up and it's like, well, 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.480 where are the AI people? And then it's like, you know, 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.719 they have five or they have five phones on a 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:39.360 table and then another five us were some iPads and 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:40.879 then like they're in here and you. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.640 Just put this on and they talk to you, but 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.160 they don't. 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.400 Yeah, this is something I noticed that all the AI 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.000 like this year seems to be marketed is like AI 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.200 for people, Like like they're like because it's finally reaching 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.279 a point where they're trying to create It feels like 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.920 they're trying to create the market for AI stuff by 0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.440 forcing it on people. Yes, and in doing so they 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.439 kind of have to reassure them that this is not like. 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.400 You think it is. 0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.719 Yeah it is, and it's like some of it's really bad. 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.200 Yeah, it's so funny as well, because I'm really like 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.520 the pig that they would sell slop to, Like I 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.440 love my gizmos and dudeads and apps and such. If 0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.600 there was anyone to sell ship to, it's me. And 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.000 it's just not fun. It's boring. Like no use case. 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.520 Yeah, there's there's still no use It's like a fucking 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:31.480 whole industry built around finding the use case the technology, 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.520 and it just doesn't exact the entire show I met 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:38.359 with Coals and great cases for AI like if you 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.240 if you want say like a you know a larger 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.319 than normal type of hoodie sweater and they might not 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.680 have it. But you speak to an AI agent and 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:47.760 it will tell you to breathe. 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:52.319 I did walk over to important. I walked over to 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:55.440 a booth earlier that said AI agent. And this is 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.840 kind of me being a dickhead, but I spent what 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:03.080 kind of agent? Because uh, I'm like, oh, good, so 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.080 what model chat GPT? And like, great, so how is 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.040 this agentic? He goes I you talk to him like 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.359 that just sounds like chat GPT because yeah, but it's 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.400 an agent. I'm like, how he just looks at me terrified. 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.360 I don't understand how everybody's building these industries and businesses 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:23.360 and stuff around GPT subscriptions. Yes, it's like you're hooked 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.000 into like the chagp api and you're building a business 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:26.680 on top of that. 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:27.479 How. 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:28.719 I don't understand how. 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:30.320 And then the magic a venture. 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.440 I mean, I forget uh what economists I wrote about 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.440 for uh that said this, But it was like the 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.800 idea that like AI is almost now like a tax 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.200 on on like the rest of the tech industry, Like 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.080 it's like a software tax where you need to pay 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.359 to have it in your product because everybody else does, 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.279 and all it really does is is suck money out 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:50.799 of you know, everything else. 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.560 And it's great though, So I'm going to assume you 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.040 saw nothing useful, Like. 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.360 It's actually really funny because I was walking towards something 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.960 that's an AI agent, kind of like the Promised Land 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:02.480 when you hit me up and you said come back. 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.000 Did you guys see the toaster where you can print 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.720 uh photos of your loved ones. 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.640 On pieces that is actually real? Did you really see that? 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:20.640 We've actually yeah, you got me. 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:26.719 It's in the menu. You remember that we're gonna do 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.719 a few miracle Yeah, we're building up to the final 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:30.840 episode where I'm going to do something called the menu. 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.720 Hope everyone joins men lock the doors. 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:38.600 I think also the thing with the sunnatural Omana, whatever 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:42.680 the hell you know? The Italian name is similar to 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.200 your point about making markets. I feel like this one 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.400 is trying because they are like, the end goal is 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.960 to be able to make it connect to apps for you, 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:51.719 so you could go to your mom's house, you could 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.239 order movies or order in and it's like okay. So 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.560 I feel like they're trying to pretend as if or 0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:00.920 they're trying to train people into accepting the discoppointment that 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:05.720 comes with insisting agents or around the corners exactly. 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:07.759 No, you're right, so AI agents are meant to be 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.080 these autonomous things and then never are. 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.640 But that's what we talked about that other episode. They're not, 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.719 but they keep misnaming things or presenting bullshit. So then 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.760 you know, I think this is part of the training 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:21.600 process where it's like, Okay, get with. 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:22.560 The training customers. 0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:25.760 Like it feels like they're basically just like prepping people 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:27.440 to have Netflix scream at either. 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a this is a this 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.000 is pedantic, but like, this is the thing that really 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:33.960 drives me nuts. 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.880 Is is, like you were saying, training people to expect 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.080 certain things or to hear words and actually imagine something else, 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.960 Like algorithm is something that now means a bunch of 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:46.759 different things, where it's like now people like people who 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:48.799 I think for the most part share our mindset sort 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.360 of a skeptical mindset towards tech and and all that 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.279 kind of stuff. When we hear the word algorithm, like 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.440 our back gets up immediately because we think, oh, that's bad. 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.719 But it's like algorithm is not even bad. It's just 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:02.320 it's like a thought process and everything you like saying database, yeah, yeah, right, exactly, 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.560 everything has an algorithm in it. You're using an algorithm 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.440 when you make a decision. But now it's become it's 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.759 got this text stink grafted on to it, and now 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.000 we have to turn away. So eventually we'll go away 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:15.360 from AI, right, and it'll be like there's no algorithms 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.760 in this at all, And it's like, well, I don't know, 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:18.680 how's that possible? 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.400 It's smart. Well, It's what I like about that is 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.960 it's also describing a bunch of things that are not problems. Yeah, 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:26.360 Like no one is like, oh I had to go 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.400 if it's my fucking mom's house and not to another 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.080 movie that took I was like, oh fuck it, that 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:36.560 took me several seconds, Like that is a solved problem. 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.520 I'm not none of the things they've just gotten. Well, 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.000 how are you going to order dinner? I don't know, 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.200 I've never done that before. 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.080 Also, the idea that like if you and your spouse, 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.520 like let's say you and your spouse like take a 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.600 long time to set on a movie, that a robot 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.359 like interjecting in the middle of the conversation. It's gonna 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:54.000 speed this up. 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.720 It reminds me of one of my favorite click hole pieces. 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.799 Which of my garbage sons are you? And they're like, yeah, 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.080 we named one of our sons Launce and Blake. And 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.120 the reason they did that was because they picked two 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.560 names they didn't like and named that for one son, 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.040 which I think is kind of addicative of the Consumer 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.080 Electronics show entirely. It's like, we can't come up with 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.160 a good idea, so we chose five bad ones. So 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:16.919 what anything else you see over there? 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.840 I saw something where they were scanning your face to 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:26.359 present what your internal health looked like as an interactive 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:34.080 city where organs, what your organs, they interacted with each 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.040 other were depicted on the screen as if they were a. 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.160 Little cells walking around us. 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.960 No, it's literally just a city my doctor has been 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.960 wanting me to do, telling me it's like. 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.080 Hey, that abandoned part of town, you gotta get that 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:48.640 checked out. 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:52.120 Red. You're in a red state, just like your legs 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:58.080 just fucking fallen off. Deliver and it explained they say, 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.279 in a red state. I'm not saying I'm not saying 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.719 it's a problem other than the fact that the governance 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.760 might not be so big on the social services. Yeah, 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:10.560 we actually get vouchers for those, so it's not I 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.360 mean I get I get mine from every. 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.840 Time she asked to scan my face that I just 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.080 felt like I was being asked to put my skull 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.040 up to a measuring device. 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.759 It was just sit away from me. 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:24.760 I thought you were going to say that it scanned, 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:25.880 and it just went no no. 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.560 Every time it's like please, no, no, no, just an 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.160 oh wow, you know, would you step to the side. 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:37.759 You mentioned the waight here? Yeah, but what else? 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:40.560 Come on? There must be a thing I. 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.000 You know, I spent some time trying to look at 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.640 There's a lot of virtual twin digital twin stuff in 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:53.160 manufacturing and optimizing industrial operations, and this health system was, 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:58.080 uh was offshoot of this virtual twin thing where you know, 0:44:58.239 --> 0:44:59.840 there were there were two or three boots set up 0:44:59.880 --> 0:45:01.480 new to each other. Their idea is, if we can 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.600 scan you rea set up your virtual twin, you can 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:05.600 tweak with it, you can experiment with it. We'll give 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:09.840 you more insight into you. There were AI medical assistance 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:14.319 and AI caregivers kind of extending off what we were 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.680 talking about the other day, where it's like we are 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:22.560 going to give you very colorful, detailed and graphically designed 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:28.120 data and convince you to data. You know a lot 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.239 of it. It seemed to be basic metabolic. 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.120 Stuff, the stuff you could get likely already have. 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:37.080 Yes, right, but if you buy into you know, this 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.040 product or this application, buy into the ecosystem again, then 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.560 you'll be able to gain more insight into your your 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.560 stress or into concerning health. 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:49.759 Next time you see one of these companies, can you 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.160 just ask a very simple question, what am I meant 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:57.080 to do with all this data? Be healthy? Okay? 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.839 It metabolic health by scanning your nose? 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.080 These ones are different, these ones? Yeah that no, not 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.280 that that's insane, that would never happen. 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:09.760 Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, isn't that basically phrenology? 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:10.160 Yes? 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.719 In fact, I mean you know, yesterday I saw calipers 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.440 that was like, well, we are not a medical device, 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.040 but if you let us scan your skin, not if 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.000 you're black, because we don't have the technology for that. 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:24.839 But if you let us scan your skin, we can 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.880 tell what your blood sugar is, we can tell what 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:32.640 a host of other you know, metabolic indices are for you, 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.160 and we can determine what you stress is. You know, 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.200 whether you are eating correctly. What you need to do 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:38.000 to reind it back in? 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.960 Well, this is that's so sorry, that's what you said 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:44.760 is a huge problem. I mean that's like that's. 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.040 Currently does not support black people. 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:52.080 That's yeah, insane. Microsoft Connect Baby, there was a connect 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.359 on the floor, which I don't know if you saw. 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:58.960 Why well, because why not? We demoed a well so 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.080 this we what is that? 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:04.160 The court one the app there was like an abic 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.759 court thing where you like could ball ball up with 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:08.080 some people in we sports. 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:13.040 It wasn't it actually wasn't that good. So I thought, 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:14.880 as an outsider, I always thought. 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:19.439 See a snowboard game and it tests your depression levels. 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:24.080 We've never had readings this high before. Your score is wellness, 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:28.279 we are calling your mother. 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.480 It was so it's just a big TV or well 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.319 it was a big gaming monitor, so already we're I thought. 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.280 Ce S was like, this is where the newest, biggest 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.719 TVs are, And that's true. I don't know where they are, 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:42.719 but they're probably somewhere I see. I mean they're in 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:44.359 the Las Vegas Convention cent Yeah. 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:45.520 Yeah, there were some big us. 0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:46.359 There's DV. 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:48.920 So this instead of being a TV, this was an 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:54.920 eighty five inch gaming monitor. Okay, yeah, yeah, like crazy 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:59.520 positive reaction to what I assumed was basically an impossible 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.399 thing to use, because even like a forty inch TV 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.320 in front of your face on the desk is like crazy. 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.000 Ye yeah, this is not a desktop. This is like 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:07.960 but why was sorry? 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:11.279 I use a fifty inch screens like you are and 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.320 a half in front of my BA you are crazed. 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:17.040 I have to have to have windows at like one 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:18.400 hundred and fifty percent zoom. 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.160 My ex videos corner. 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:25.200 Tom is laying down on the floor dangling over it. 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.160 So it's really huge for a monitor. But also, if 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:30.719 you want an eighty five inch thing, just get a TV. 0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:32.520 If you're gonna play console stuff on it, just get 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.120 a TV. You don't need the super high refresh rate. 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.080 And it's five K, it's not eight K. If you're 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:38.719 gonna do something stupid, make it eight K. It makes 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.319 no sense. Anyways. They seem like perfectly nice people, but 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:44.160 it's a five K eighty five inch monitor and they 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.800 had to demo it. They had like these little skis 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.200 on the ground that I stepped on to dutifully, and 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.680 I played an Xbox Connect game modded to run off 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.120 of like a little Tashiba laptop that was plugged. It 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.799 wasn't a fucking little first of all, it was my 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:01.240 guy kept getting messed up because they put the wood 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.080 on the on the ski slopes, which is like, why 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:05.880 would there be wood on those downslope? 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:06.200 Dude? 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:09.160 This is a really high on the depression score, but 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:18.120 why would you have that? Can we talk about the 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.600 thing though, like, so, so you were bad at the 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:22.719 ski game, we've established that. 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.600 I don't think that's like that's what he said, that 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.120 saying it's the worst debated narrative. 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.719 I don't know if I believe it, but it was. 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:32.960 Yeah, it was the demo, this gaming monitor, but using 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:34.719 technology that's like fifteen years old. 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:36.319 Didn't they just play an xpokes game? 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.280 I don't know in the same uh kind of area. 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.480 There was like a I tried on like an eyeglass 0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:43.680 thing or whatever, and it was like an Android app 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:47.040 or something that was like nine by sixteen on like 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.920 a display, and it was very it was cropped vertically 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:50.320 and stuff. 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:51.160 It looked very bad. 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.399 But it was just like, you know. 0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:57.200 It's to Ed's point, why would you Okay, you're going 0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:58.920 to spend a ton of money, and it's a slush 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.520 fund for the executive. Is okay, that's fine, have a 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.480 good time or whatever. Why would it not be like, 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.520 why wouldn't it not be like a finished product at 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:06.600 any point in the thing? 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.480 Yeah, I just don't. It feels like, just so, if 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.319 you're demo ing a monitor, why not get something that 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:11.880 looks good in this start to play? 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.719 I think one thing I've been realizing and I didn't 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.960 actually realize, is the case most of these things do 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.239 not seem to be finished, and everyone's fine with that. 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.560 I would have I actually like would look. I loved 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:28.200 standing next to people and listening to them as they 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:30.719 dealt with a fully unfinished product and be like. 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.640 Oh well, I mean, it feels like a lot of 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.080 this stuff is like ostensibly supposed to be a preview 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.320 of what's coming, but the what's coming depends on whether 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.000 anybody pays attention to their booth. 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:43.759 Yeah, so I just pardon me for interrupting here on 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:47.799 my podcast. I was looking through my pictures of things 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.040 that had taken pictures of today, otherwise known as the 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.839 photos app on my phone, and I found this thing 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:55.800 called Alisa, Your Choice, Your Companion, and just showing everyone. 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.520 It appears to be like some sort of horrifying metal 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.720 face you put you and has some sort of AI companion. 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:05.080 But I didn't read any of the highlighted characteristics, which, 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.759 by the way, is what it says, and you go. 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.239 It's a speaks your way, instantly, mimics and plays any 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.760 voice you love, big promise, expressive and natural, sinks facial 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.520 expressions perfectly with her speech and based on this image, 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:18.080 No it does not. I want to fuck her. 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:21.240 I was just gonna say, I already predict a primary market. 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:27.719 Well, Jesse, you're about to regret saying that behaves different personalities. Yes, 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:29.520 it behaves different personalities. 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:31.680 There is a surprise from the back of attention to 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.080 detail on stuff that's written. 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:35.799 Well, there is some detail you wouldn't love, from a 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:40.160 playful lolly to a confident bus lady, confident boss lady. 0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:44.480 I could see myself. Yeah, well, the lollipid much smart 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.600 with a memory powered by advanced day I that remembers 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.320 and adapts more customized service in replaceable silicon facial masks. 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:53.560 You just got like a Oh, so it's a physical 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:55.920 mass too, Yeah, but wait, is this just like a 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:57.480 head that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.000 Yeah, I'm showing back Sophia and we're bringing back. 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:03.719 And this is tring your back body heart. So for 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:05.480 people who are at C yes, I think you mentioned 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:07.239 this before. The best ship you can find is on 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.120 the fringes. You need to go to the back. You 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:11.560 need to go to back and find the guy who's 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:15.200 like Wooden Lamp, Like, the only honest guy at CS 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:17.800 is the guy with And there was one there was 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.360 one that just said Felix is hot. That's true, it 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:24.479 is true. And I also love the names that power cube, 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:28.239 semi ink, potential convergence smart Oh I need that. 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:28.799 I need that. 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.920 And there's a whole Kurzakhstan thing. Empower your innovations with 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:37.160 like active polymers. Actually that sounds real. Manage your neck, 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:41.880 shoulders and back through acupressure, massage and moxibustin. I fucking 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:43.680 every time I walk around the show, I just see 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:45.440 ship and I'm like, what do you did? You? 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:47.960 Did you see the portable air conditioner you wear around 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:48.399 your neck? 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.560 It just like otherwise known as a fan. 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:53.600 Last air at your ears. 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.240 Yeah, that's a fan, we have those. 0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.560 But you you wear a fan around your neck? Huh? Yes? 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.080 Hey, a fan is not gonna give you tenonitis. 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.080 So I don't I have that already. I have that. 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:07.240 I've had that since I was a child. Every moment 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.879 is pain for me. So that's why we hit them. Yeah, 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.560 so within this AI stuff, did you find the same 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:15.640 thing as me, where it's just no one really knows 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.360 what they're talking about, and when you ask them questions, 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:20.680 they go chat GPT and if you ask them another question, 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.319 they start having a panic attack or it. 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.560 Seems a little frustration with asking why like the AI, 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.040 And I'm like, well, it's because, like I'm trying to 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.439 figure out if your it's generative bullshit or if it's 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.200 an actual thing underneath. 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.920 And when I'm talking to like industry experts, like analysts 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.279 or like people that like are like has like trade 0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:42.600 associations and stuff, I get the strong sense that it's 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:45.040 frustrating for them too, because they're being asked to weigh 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.520 in on this market that's so nebulous and like and 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:50.880 like it's impossible to tell whether any of this is 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:51.960 actually going to pay off. 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:55.279 Like it's just insane to me. We're like I was 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:59.640 into this shit, Like my soul is being ripped away. 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.080 There's something for that. If you go to the convention 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:03.880 centers for they put the soul back into you. 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:05.640 Oh yeah, actually you should. 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.160 You should check out the demo for this human nature 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.040 thing I was talking about. You know, you can talk 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:13.920 to Athena, which is like the the wellness uh a 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:15.840 ip boons a terrible. 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.279 I like this. I like the soul cube idea. The 0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:20.680 thing that CS hasn't really gotten into yet is like 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.000 crystals and energies. We need to bring that. 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.640 I actually wonder how far you could go just making 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:26.240 up ship. 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:31.080 Get credits for how clean your soul is credit. 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:34.120 Social yeah, soul based social credit system. 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.320 I just think that I think that that's what pisses 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.080 me off. This obviously some quasi fraulture that thing. Where 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.919 is the real fraud? Where are the people? It's just like, yep, 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:42.719 it's the soul cube. 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:46.440 Do you ever see those guys who make those devices 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:51.280 that are like like just measurers for like various body 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.319 ship It's like this the pseudo. 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.440 Science right right right yeah, yeah, and they still. 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:56.479 Like the e meters or whatever. 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:58.480 Yeah, yeah, why aren't they here? 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:03.239 I actually get scientif booth or yeah, ghost hunting technology 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:04.400 like your whole. 0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:08.920 Ghost's Probably they'll insist that CS is haunted. 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.600 Y honestly, I want to do that one. 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:14.920 Yeah, that's what the product demo fails are like. Actually, 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:15.879 this is a good thing. 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:20.240 The ghost is telling me you should invest forty million dollars. 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:28.480 It's never done that. Yeah, Tam Tom, give me your 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.160 phone right now. The ghost needs to see your idea, 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:33.560 what's your what's yours? 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.640 The ghost wants to scan your badge, shut your email address. Maybe. 0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:41.040 Yeah, it's that's the thing, Like, I don't mind if 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:45.759 someone's just obviously scamming, Like, yeah, I'm a ghostbuster. I'm 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:48.920 a ghostbuster. I'm with the ghostbusters and that's what I 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:50.840 do here at CES. We spend one hundred and fifty 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.560 thousand dollars in ghostbusting and if it breaks, you just go, 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:55.279 you kind of ghost that's what you need us. 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.920 Yeah, I think in reality, the real the really answer. 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:01.240 I think maybe you knowing more about this than me. 0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.400 Probably somebody knows more than I do about something, although 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.480 it's hard to imagine. I feel like the the reason 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:11.120 that there's not like the level one gimmick grift guy 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.120 on the floor is because, like with everything else, there's 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:16.560 so many levels of detachment. Like you have a problem 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:18.160 and you want to call somebody and yell at them 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.080 about it or get it fixed, I guess if you want, 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.120 But you can't because the person you talk to is 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:23.440 not empowered to do anything for you. 0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:24.280 And that's on purpose. 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.400 And now there's an extra layer of AI stuck in 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.600 between you and even that person. But the people who 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:30.560 show up on the floor, just like when you ask 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.160 what is this chat GPT, that's literally all they know 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.799 because the guy who makes the decision is so far away. 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.799 And so it does not work. It doesn't work either, right, Yeah, 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:41.239 But I think actually what I'm gonna stop doing is 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:43.880 anytime I see AI, now I'm just going to replace 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:47.960 the word with ghost. Yeah, okay, ghost, just like oh 0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:52.640 we have ghosts the machine. I might actually just stop 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:55.040 peaking asking people about it, and I'll be like, is 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:59.000 chech ghost? What's the ghost to? Just like that's chet GPT? Yeah, 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:03.480 the ghost? The spirit? How do you get the spirit out? What? 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.080 Why would you want to spirit out? The spirit does 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:08.160 all the thinking for you. 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.120 Just walk over. I'm very haunted. How are you gonna help? 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.720 I generally don't do bits with any of the people 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.200 here because just to be clear, the reason that no 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:20.520 one should and some listeners have brought this up like oh, 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:22.320 you should go and like yell at them. The poor 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.960 fuckers who are on the floor. These are PR people, 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:28.360 sometimes external PR people, or they're just like a marketing 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.080 person who, to Jesse's point, is not empowered to answer 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:33.520 a real question, and they have to deal with everyone 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:35.680 at CS, and fifty percent of the people at CS 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:37.960 are trying to make partnerships with other people that can't 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.480 tell you what their products do. And it's like, oh, 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.560 these and I admit, with the the company that claimed 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:48.200 to like be a new hope for autism and dyslexia, 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:50.400 I got a little heated, which is why I walked away. 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:52.560 And do you want here for this? They claimed that 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:56.600 they're smart glasses would help both dyslexia and autism, and 0:57:56.920 --> 0:58:01.200 my experience with that is that's bullshit. But it's yeah, 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.160 there's a reason that you can't really put the boots 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.840 these people, And I actually think it's deliberate. They want 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.320 to put a layer of abstraction between them and the 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:10.600 responsibility for their thing actually doing anything. So they've got 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:12.920 a fucking marketing person and these people are there, and 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.800 they're working like ten hour days doing like just standing 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:18.920 there and if it's a bad show, you're just standing alone. Well, 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:20.600 the marketers are the real heroes, aren't they, don't you 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:21.000 find ye? 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:21.280 Yeah? 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:22.200 Basically troops. 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:22.880 Yeah that's what. 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:28.200 Except they drops more dangerous right than the troops. Okay, 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.840 as we trundle towards the end. Edward Graso Junior. Where 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:31.840 can people find you? 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.000 You can find me on Twitter and blue Sky, Big 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.680 Black Jacobin. You can find me my newsletter The Tech 0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:41.600 Bubble dot substack dot com, and my podcast dis Mission 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:42.800 Kills where we talk about tech. 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:45.000 Jesse Ferrah, Michael Hale. Where can people find you? 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:48.160 Mike and myself host You're a Kickstarter Sucks and Mike, 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.280 did we get the custom domain on blue Sky your 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:51.680 kickstarter sucks dot com? 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:53.120 I believe we did. 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:53.400 Yeah. 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.360 You can also find me at calls dot com, slash about, 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.240 slash people dot html. 0:58:59.080 --> 0:58:59.120 No. 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.080 I think Coles took on the about page because of 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:02.120 the stuff that's going on. 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.400 So you're not gonna they don't want people to find you, 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:10.040 Just be clear. Michael's name is commonly dog Boner, Tom 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:11.400 Where can people find You? 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.120 You can find me at ibrew dot com or on 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:17.560 Twitter at twitter dot com, slash the Tom zone, or 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:22.520 on blue Sky at captured two dot beskuy dot social. 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:30.960 That's embarrassing, enjoyed the blue guy and was like posting 0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:33.800 about how there's a scammer about like warning his people 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:35.560 before immediately getting banned. 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:38.880 And as the listeners know, I am your cult leader 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.000 and you can find me. If there's an ad xetron, 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.320 it's probably me, unless it isn't. And if you choose 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:47.400 the wrong one, well that means you're not chosen. But 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:50.760 if you need to spend your money from your hog 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:53.480 slop job where you go out and you smash windows 0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:55.560 and you steal thinks some cars and new Conn people 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:58.960 and you're walking around the street thinking where's my next victim, Well, well, 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:01.280 I extract value from the well when you get your 1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:04.680 ill gotten gains, the next ads will probably be for 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:06.920 something you can spend them on. Ideally, you want to 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:08.880 operate in cash. If the's a digital you need a 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:13.439 prepaid debit card, email me at was it Tom dot 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:18.680 McKay no, sorry ed at East No, No, just a 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:35.480 Google crime and that's where you find my email. And 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:37.520 we're back and I assume you have bought or downloaded 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:39.360 whatever it was. They just said if you didn't, that's 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:41.680 a real personal insult to me, and you know, you 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:43.960 know how I feel about that. So we've had a 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.400 slight rotation. To my right is Tom McKay of it 1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:47.600 Brew of course. 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:48.320 Eh, how's it going? 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:52.880 And actually over across from me is Max Journey of Reuters. Hello, Internet, 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:57.160 and thank you. I'm glad someone respects the computer. And 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:00.000 Jesse fer Our of your Kickstarter sucks. Of course he's back. 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.960 Well now I'll be on the left. He's on the 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.480 left as he has not been. No, okay, come on, 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:08.320 come on, whoa. So Max, I'm actually really excited to 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:11.840 have you here because we've spent like several hours just 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:14.880 like dunking on this. They're just like making fun of 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:17.400 stuff and being annoyed at stuff. But you you are 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:21.880 here covering chips and silicon and such. What have you seen? 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:24.520 What has Nvidia done? Actually that's a great point. What's 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:26.960 Nvidia come at this trip? Sure? Absolutely? 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.600 I mean they've unveiled a few new things in terms 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:34.360 of silicon. Specifically, they launched a computer called Digits, which 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.640 is essentially one of their supercomputers compressed in some in 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:40.080 something even smaller than Mac Minnie. 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.320 And that's like the three thousand dollars one, right. 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:46.360 That's the three thousand dollars one, Yeah, exactly, And so 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:48.880 that that was kind of an interesting thing there. There 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:51.640 have been we've reported that they're going to make PC 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:56.520 chips themselves. So this is potentially on the road to 1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:01.160 producing some kind of laptop or our desktop PC trip themselves. 1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:04.240 So when you say, what is this machine for? This 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:06.520 three thousand dollars in video compute, because I've seen a 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:08.240 ton of coverage but no one will actually tell me 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:09.520 what it's for. 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:13.960 Well, it looks like mostly it's for researchers and people 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:19.240 that want to do experiments with AI or code with AI, 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:26.120 or essentially just do things that require giant computers sort 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:27.920 of on a smaller on a small scale. 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:30.920 So is it generative AI focused or well, I mean. 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:34.280 Of course you can run generative AI apps with it, 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:36.560 but they they've sort of pitched it as something that 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:39.000 that was geared for researchers and develop testing. 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:42.040 Yeah, because the way it's being reported is by other 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:45.480 people is that it's some sort of replacement for the 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.560 large scale GPUs that are being used for like inference 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:51.200 for so, inference being the thing when you make a 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:54.280 request from chat GPT for example, and it generates NONSA. 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:56.560 So it's not really for that. That's not the business 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:57.160 use case. 1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:59.960 It didn't look like it to me. It looked like, 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:01.640 I mean, maybe you can run of course, I'm sure 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:03.240 you could probably run out on it, but of course, 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:06.320 but it looks like it's set up design for you know, 1:03:06.360 --> 1:03:09.640 somebody who wants a computer in their office or I 1:03:09.680 --> 1:03:12.080 don't know, at their university or whatever, just given the 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:14.440 price point. And you know, the setup it showed was 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:17.320 with a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse, and 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:20.320 so it's it's definitely like a it's like a personal computer. 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:22.240 Effectively. It runs Linux. 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:24.920 So that also means it's probably not a consumer machine, 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:27.280 right because most consumers are not gonna are not willing 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.120 to learn how to use Linux or won't do it 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:29.920 or whatever. 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:31.280 So it should be able to run like eleven Chrome 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:34.960 tabs on it. So so I hate to do this, 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.680 Maxie mind turning a microphone just slightly. We've had a 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.880 late entrant. We've had we have the wonderful Matt Benda 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:42.720 who made his way up here. Thank you man, Matt, 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:43.680 thanks for having me. 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:46.400 Yet it's finally we met you. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:48.240 Matt Bender and I have been on this podcast like 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:50.920 three or four times of course scam Economy. 1:03:50.680 --> 1:03:53.320 Yes, yes, and we've never met him, he's. 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:54.600 Never met in personal and now we have he's on 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:57.520 my podcast. So Max, back to back to you for 1:03:57.560 --> 1:04:00.480 a question. So what else was announced in general with 1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:02.760 Silicon on this with the hardware in general? 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:08.040 Absolutely, I mean the as always with the big chip makers, 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:12.240 they announce new PC usually Gaming Stuff and Video announced 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:15.000 a bunch of new new line of gaming chips, the 1:04:15.840 --> 1:04:19.520 RTX fifty series. They're claiming the low end on that 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:24.880 series is able to deliver performance that's capable of what 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.880 the high end of the current RTX series really So yeah, 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:30.360 they use a technique called d LSS, which is just 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:32.800 a fancy way of saying they use AI to predict 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:34.320 what the next frame in the game is going to 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:36.520 look like. At the moment they're rendering two frames at once. 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:38.480 This one can render four frames it once. But it's 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:40.400 on the hardware side, not on the hardware side. 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:42.320 Yeah, yeah, it's all This is all hardware. And this 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:45.400 is differentiated from when you say I AI. This is 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:49.600 separate to generative AI this. I don't know exactly how 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:52.000 it works, right, just because the DLSS has been around 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:54.640 for longer than the current boom though, yeah oh yeah 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:57.160 yeah ds D LSS has been around for I don't know, 1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:58.640 four or five years. I want to say, but don't 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:00.680 on that on that particul we don't know things say 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:04.000 don't worry, but okay, let's move you up to Matt Binder. 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:06.960 Of course, Matt, what have you seen so far? What 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:09.200 have you been cursed with on this eternal trip? 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.720 I've been covering a lot of like weird stuff, and 1:05:12.200 --> 1:05:15.280 I do a lot of AR glasses And how are those? 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:15.880 You know? 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:16.240 Uh? 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:19.200 I have yet to find one that I could actually 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:22.480 what it would actually use. Like, sure, you put them 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:24.840 on and they're cool to like see because some of 1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:27.160 them have different ways of doing things, but like there 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:30.560 was one for example that like there's there's no lens 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.520 and usually the the it's the holiday. 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:36.400 Glasses, and usually holiday glass holidays. 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:41.080 So there are basically aar glasses where the mean holiday 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:42.040 like a name holiday. 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:44.120 Yes that's what I'm just British, that's my problem. 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:48.439 Yes, uh so basically the AR part isn't built into 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:50.960 the lens, It's built into the rim. Okay, so it's 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:54.280 a little like, uh a circular screen where basically put 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:56.520 the glasses on and your eye is meant to look 1:05:56.560 --> 1:05:58.120 at the circular screen. 1:05:58.040 --> 1:05:58.800 Above the lens. 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:00.440 That's where generally look. 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:04.160 Yeah, of course, and I I couldn't use it without 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:04.880 going cross eyed. 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:05.760 I immediately was. 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:10.320 Going say, I love the experience of being heard by things. 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:13.000 Right right, So, I mean the idea is interesting, but 1:06:13.280 --> 1:06:15.560 you know, I think for me, though, the thing at 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:18.480 CES is always what's not here anymore? 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:19.480 How do you mean? 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:22.560 Like what like like you can see where the tech 1:06:22.600 --> 1:06:26.360 industry thinks it's going based on what has just disappeared 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:30.040 from the previous years, like what buzzwords? Are companies staying 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:33.479 away from that they used to proudly say they were back, 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:35.240 you know, last year or the year before, like what 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:37.160 Like I came here two years ago for the first time, 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:41.200 and every company had to say they were doing something 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:45.520 in the metaverse. Hell yeah, every company was a metaverse company. 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:48.479 And this year I don't think you could even find 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:48.880 the word. 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:50.960 Well I did. I found a metaverse and quant to 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:54.360 my panel that I missed a panel though is there 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:56.880 actually any metaverse product. I don't know because I missed it, 1:06:56.920 --> 1:06:59.840 which makes the trip of failure. So did you see 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:02.440 any thing you enjoyed? Was it mostly pain? 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:06.440 I mean there's stuff that I've seen that worked, but 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:13.560 I don't think i'd ever heard, like, like, the weirdest 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:15.800 thing I saw is hands down that I don't know 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:19.960 if you've seen it, the electric salt spoon. No, okay, 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.680 it's by this Japanese company named Kiran, and it's actually 1:07:23.800 --> 1:07:27.440 available in Japan, So that's already ticking off a rarity 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:28.480 at a ces. 1:07:28.760 --> 1:07:30.920 It's something that's actually in stores and available. 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:35.600 So basically their goal is to let have people eat 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.280 less salt, and they want to make your low sodium 1:07:38.280 --> 1:07:41.960 food taste saltier without actually adding salt. So how do 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:44.560 they make it taste better? They send an electric current 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:45.880 through the spoon to your tongue. 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:52.360 So just so we're clear, Yeah, just so we're clear, 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:56.760 thinking to disassociate life on air, it's a special spoon. 1:07:57.080 --> 1:07:58.240 It's a special spoon. 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:02.440 Oh good, And I mean listen, it worked. Wow, Like 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:05.960 the food did taste a bit saltier. And I know 1:08:06.080 --> 1:08:07.480 because I thought at first I thought it was like 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:10.080 a placebo effect, like, oh, they told me it tastes saltier, 1:08:10.080 --> 1:08:11.720 so my brain now thinks it's saltier. 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:13.680 But then I fucked up the usage. 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:14.680 Of Merovingian shit. 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:16.760 Yeah, but then I messed up while using it and 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:19.080 it turned off midi soup. 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:24.160 They provided, and then so my spoon broke right. 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:26.439 So the soup actually did taste less saltier as I'm 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:29.120 drinking it when the machine shut off. So I was like, oh, wow, 1:08:29.160 --> 1:08:32.120 it works. But also I would never buy this one 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:33.679 hundred and thirty dollars spoon. 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:35.160 Wetter My spoon's uncharged. 1:08:36.800 --> 1:08:39.160 But actually, yeah, so did they have a battery? 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:44.360 It was like, yeah, it was a battery powered spoon. Yeah, 1:08:44.439 --> 1:08:45.680 so assuming. 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:48.120 You have multiple people eating in your house. 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:52.120 Right, So the spoon handle and the the actual ladle 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:55.000 or whatever you'd call it, they're separate parts, so you 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:55.679 can replace. 1:08:55.880 --> 1:08:58.559 Oh good, I love my spoon to be multi multiple parts. 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:01.760 Yes, yes, safely, only two, though they could have went 1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:02.559 really crazy with. 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:05.800 It, so you'd need like these Was it actually one 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:06.839 hundred and thirty dollars? 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:09.160 I believe it was like one hundred in Japan, though 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:10.439 they're not stunging in the us yet. 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:12.439 Yeah they got money though. Yeah. 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:16.080 Uh, I mean then the to me, it's like the ideas. 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.120 I find, I must find the spoon. Where's the spoon? 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:21.519 It was at the first night the media Knight unveiled. 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:23.200 I don't know where you're from. 1:09:23.280 --> 1:09:25.720 Me. I don't made a look at that spoons. You 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:28.920 need to buy multiple ones of these extensively. You're right, right, 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:32.040 some rich oss guys like, yeah, now you don't need 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:33.479 much salt at all. 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:35.960 I mean you could, I guess, you know, eat your 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:38.000 food one at a time and just wash the spoon 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:38.919 after every. 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:41.200 Year and find a bunch of people over in bath 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.960 combined with So does it work with not soup? 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:47.559 Uh? They just had soup there to try, and I'm 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:49.800 assuming it's got to work with things that are not 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:51.560 too But otherwise. 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:52.880 Well okay, no, no, no, no, no no. 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:54.600 I mean what if you pick up the soup but 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:56.720 the spoon by what else you eating? 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:01.040 Where you would reduce the salt that wasn't soup? 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.639 A lot of a lot of things like what but 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:06.320 what is the thing I'm just thinking? 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:10.920 Yeah, but like wait are you where are you adding 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:12.120 the salt with fried rice? 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:13.880 Okay, that's a good point. I don't know, And. 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:15.559 Why are you eating with a spoon? Yeah? 1:10:15.880 --> 1:10:20.400 That's fork coded like you don't need the you don't 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:22.840 need this one to eat ice cream, you know. 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:27.640 So this is just a very expensive soup related technology. 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:29.960 I mean again, Japanese company, they'd a lot of soup 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:30.599 over there. 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:31.439 They do. 1:10:33.160 --> 1:10:35.240 I'm just thinking about this spoon, and I really fit. 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.160 There's always a point, a see, yes, where I begin 1:10:37.240 --> 1:10:39.280 to go insane, when I begin to just like think 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:42.479 of the special salt spoon, and then I call my 1:10:42.720 --> 1:10:45.479 therapist and I say, I'm thinking of the spoon. Anyway, 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:50.920 did you see anything you like? Though everyone has the 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:54.160 same answer, it's a it's a sigh and then a 1:10:54.240 --> 1:10:55.000 space of time. 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:57.080 Right, Well, hey, wait a second, I mean the some 1:10:57.120 --> 1:10:58.240 of the chips look pretty cool. 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:00.760 Actually yeah, I mean you take a question so Matt 1:11:00.800 --> 1:11:02.439 can try and think of something he liked. 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:05.160 I mean, you know, I don't you know, chill for 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:06.760 any of these companies, but they you know. 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:09.439 AMD, if you liked something, please tell us, well. 1:11:09.280 --> 1:11:13.920 AMD, intele and Nvidia did all announce new Chipsbly arguably, 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:16.920 they all look pretty interesting for different different reasons. AMB 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:20.839 did something pretty unique. They added this technology called unified 1:11:20.840 --> 1:11:23.559 memory to their latest gaming process or what is that? 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:26.160 Apple did it a few years ago. It basically just 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:28.680 makes the chip faster. It means that the memory in 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:30.559 this and the CPU can talk to each other much 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:34.799 more quickly, which allows uh, you know, more more speedy 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:38.120 graphics and more speedy you know, computing power. But it 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:39.920 is actually an interesting thing. I don't I haven't tried it. 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:42.280 I don't know how would have any benchmarks, so I 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:44.679 have no earthly idea how it performs in the real world. 1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:46.760 But theoretically the technology is pretty good. 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:49.320 So as I'm speaking for the listeners that don't know 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:53.360 stuff and myself, how does that manifest in something good? 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:55.160 Is it just that the hardware and the software the 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:56.400 hardware pots talk to each other. 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:58.679 So I think I can take this one basically he's 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:01.479 trying to say it basically, is it goes like so 1:12:01.520 --> 1:12:03.599 the chip goes into more tabs. 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:06.760 Yeah, it's browser tabs. And to be clear, this is 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:07.440 for computer. 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:11.160 Oh okay, yeah, So if you just think about whenever 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.200 you you probably have a computer at home right now. 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:15.400 Right done, right now. But well a lot of people may. 1:12:15.320 --> 1:12:17.559 Have computers, and these chips basically can go in them, 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:19.880 so it's from there. It's just pretty cool stuff. Actually, 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:21.200 damn I love. 1:12:21.040 --> 1:12:23.480 Logan on Okay, Matt, anything enjoyable. 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:25.840 I mean the TVs are cool like okay yah yeah, 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:28.000 I mean how can you and the gaming monitors that 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:31.320 really big curved monitors like I would never buy these 1:12:31.360 --> 1:12:35.280 things because they cost like thousands of Oh yeah, you're 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:39.160 in journalism, right, right right? I mean one thing I like, 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:42.320 is that coming to see? Yes, it is now clear 1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:45.360 that at least as a technology. 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:46.679 Product, crypto is dead. 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:52.320 There is no crulls, nothing absent completely. Now I mentioned 1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:54.400 metaverse and like you know, metaverse is just like Zilly, 1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:57.120 but like it is actually a breath of fresh air 1:12:57.240 --> 1:13:00.360 to finally see that the tech industry, at least that 1:13:00.760 --> 1:13:04.320 represented by ce S has seemed to move on, moved on. 1:13:04.320 --> 1:13:07.400 Completely from crypto blockchain. 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.040 I remember two years ago, every company, whether it doesn't 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:14.679 matter if they were like a special electronic dental floss 1:13:14.680 --> 1:13:16.920 company whatever, they all wanted to give you a free 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:19.760 NFT if you come to their booth. There is not 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:22.200 a single and I don't think the words n F 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:23.799 or T or even here at CEES. 1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:26.200 If you find them, please email me easy at Better 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:28.800 off Line dot Com. I want to find them and 1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:31.719 ask them some questions. I want to know what they're 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:32.960 doing here, right, you know. 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:35.360 I think people realize like this is if anything. It's 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:39.960 like it's a financial day trading scam. It's not a 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:41.559 tech product. But it's pretty cool though. 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:44.400 It is really cool. 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:49.400 Jesse, would you like to shif for crypto as the 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:50.719 crypto ex put for the show. 1:13:50.840 --> 1:13:52.240 I think it's just kind of cool because they're like 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:54.640 little pictures or something. So it's like, I don't know, 1:13:54.680 --> 1:13:56.800 I just think that's like I hear what you're saying. 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:58.760 It's like, Okay, the tech companies have moved on from 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:00.880 the little pictures, but it's like we're always gonna have 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:03.519 little pictures, you know types you know what I'm saying, 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:05.960 Like it's been forever we've had these little pictures. So 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:08.400 I just think, like, Okay, maybe it's waned right now, 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:10.840 but there's gonna be a time where we come back 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:13.600 to CEES and we see the little pictures again, and 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:14.720 I think that's gonna be really cool. 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:17.280 I think it is funny as well that like Max 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:19.479 is probably the only person who has been at c 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:22.960 S who has found the real stuff because like it's 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:26.960 just because you can't really fake silicon. No you can't you. 1:14:27.560 --> 1:14:29.080 I mean, you can fake it up up until a 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:29.760 certain point. You can. 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:31.840 You can rag about how good it's gonna be or whatever, 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:34.400 your what your what your startup's doing, and you can 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:36.400 claim performance. But if at a certain point you have 1:14:36.439 --> 1:14:38.120 to send a chip to the fab and make it 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:39.599 and if it doesn't do what you say it will, 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:41.880 well then that's that. 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:44.479 And the thing is that's really important. It's actually good 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:47.519 like good education for the listeners as well, is it 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:52.960 they give him back the microphone? Just come on, all right? 1:14:53.640 --> 1:14:56.600 But the important it's actually important like foundation people to 1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:58.960 know with a lot of these companies talking about like 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:02.080 a six so especial chips and like oh open aiy 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:04.360 or whomever will simply build a chip. It is not 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:06.800 that easy, right, it is not that easy. So what 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:08.240 is the process of a chip getting done? 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:09.720 And you know a lot more about this than I 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:11.400 think you're letting on. I mean, and you know what 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:12.280 an ASIK. 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:15.440 Is and I just don't know what it stands for, candidly, 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:21.040 Application specific integrated circuit Thank you, whooh someone knows stuff. 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:22.960 You're right, But you're really right. 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:26.479 It's it's it's super complicated and expensive to make even 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:29.360 a basic AI chip, and we're talking a couple of 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:32.280 years from scratch, a couple of years minimum at least 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:35.000 half a billion dollars if you're if you're lucky, another 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:37.000 half a billion to build a hardware around it, because 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:39.439 that's something people forget often. When you make a chip, 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:41.640 you make the actual piece of silicon. If you look 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:44.519 at any Nvidia product or many others, they've got a 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:47.000 whole board around it with a bunch of other chips 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:49.759 and other stuff, and that to make that is probably 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:52.160 another half billion dollars. So this is these are not 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:53.400 inexpensive ideas. 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:55.320 And then when it comes to the actual integration and 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:57.280 putting these into service, you have to do a bunch 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:01.280 more cooling and actual and there is failure rate as well. 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:03.080 Absolutely, and you have to write the software on top 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:05.400 of it. I mean the whole way, Like having the 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:07.639 idea to make a chip is like it's a multi 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:09.719 year and if you only make one, you've just wasted 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:10.519 your time and money. 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:12.439 So you have to as a company, you generally have 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:13.760 to do multiple. 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:16.280 Absolutely, Yeah, you want to you want a roadmap because 1:16:16.280 --> 1:16:18.720 that's the whole. I mean, if anybody that's buying AI 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:20.920 chips for any reason, they're not buying the current generation, 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:23.439 they're buying Gen two, Gen three and maybe. 1:16:23.320 --> 1:16:27.240 Chest thing, so they're buying ahead. Absolutely. Yeah, So I'm glad. 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:29.640 I'm really glad you're here for many reasons. But I 1:16:29.760 --> 1:16:31.960 like putting this stuff down because the reason that there 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:34.000 is like the real and the fake parts of CS 1:16:34.200 --> 1:16:37.120 is as I said, you can't really fake chips. You 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:39.680 can be like, oh, yeah, we're doing an AI stethoscope, 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:41.759 or we're going to claim to cure autism with VR 1:16:41.880 --> 1:16:44.040 or whatever, but you can't really be like we're going 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:46.320 to do a chip because the actual chips people would 1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:49.000 just be like, no, you're not. There is like very 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:52.400 clear boundaries with what you can actually do, which is 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:54.799 what's so interesting because you have this chunk of CS 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:57.320 was just the no bullshit zone because you really you 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:00.120 could not be making like Nvidio pumps themselves up up 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:02.599 and says all this stuff, but ultimately is what it does. 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:05.479 It does have to deliver, has to exit at a 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:07.160 certain point. I mean, people will buy them, put them 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:09.559 in the field, try all the hardware, try the software, 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:12.000 and the claims have to a certain point live up 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:14.280 to there whatever they're. 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:17.280 You know, saying. So forgive me for a very direct question, 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:20.559 but how realistic is it for someone like Sam Oltman 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:23.840 to build out an AI chip? Like how it's years ahead? 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:27.680 Right, it's years ahead. I mean, it's more of a 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:31.000 talent question than a money question. I think they're only 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:35.439 maybe ten to twelve teams of people around the world 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:39.360 that can build cutting edge, world class chips, and all 1:17:39.400 --> 1:17:41.720 of the people that lead those teams have jobs that 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:45.760 they probably like or enjoy, and so you have to 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:47.559 find the right people in order to do that. Find 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:50.840 disgruntle people or whatever. The reason why is why they're leaving. 1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:53.240 But you have to assemble the right group of people 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:55.840 to be able to build a chip. And even if 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:58.000 you get the right group of people with the amount 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:00.280 of money that you need, there's still just risks with 1:18:00.360 --> 1:18:04.320 building a chip like Well, you could think the design works, 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:07.240 you could, for example, you could virtually verify that it works, 1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:08.920 you could test it, you could do all the computer 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:12.120 simulations and other simulations that you want. When you send 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:15.080 it to the fab to the factory to print, it 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:17.120 might not come out exactly how you think it will. 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:18.760 And that will mean it doesn't work as well, it 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:20.960 doesn't cool as efficiently. It might not work at all. 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:24.280 Oh it might not. Yeah, there might be. It might 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:26.479 You can get like billions into this and like and 1:18:26.560 --> 1:18:29.640 you might not. I mean it does happen frequently with 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:33.080 the first generation of chips. Most companies that try them 1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:36.120 for the first time, the first version will not be amazing. 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:40.479 It'll do certain things effectively and well, but it probably 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:43.040 won't be able to achieve you know, and Video just 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.519 for example, and Videos spent twenty years, thirty years, whatever 1:18:45.600 --> 1:18:47.880 whatever it is, you know, working on its designs. So 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:49.639 to expect that a company can come in in two 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:52.679 years replicate the performance or whatever of you know, somebody 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:54.080 who's been doing it for a long time, it's kind 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:57.559 of unrealistic. So it usually takes several generations. And Video 1:18:57.600 --> 1:19:00.920 has their own software, Kuda, for making gus do stuff. 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:04.479 It took quite a while for that to kind of scale, right. 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:08.479 I mean they started in ninety five, I want to say, yeah, 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.679 building Kuda, and they've been working on it ever since. 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:12.680 I mean it used to be centered around their g 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:16.640 fours graphics cards, and now it's obviously a little bigger. 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:17.000 A little bigger. 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:19.839 Yeah, I mean maybe not as big as the Electric 1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:24.880 Soup spoon, but you potentially one day, maybe they'll have 1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:27.280 that success and they can do more than just soup, 1:19:27.680 --> 1:19:28.320 that's for sure. 1:19:28.600 --> 1:19:30.120 So Matt bringing back to you. 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:33.720 But the chips you're talking about, you can't even taste, so, 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:35.679 I mean, come on, there are there are. 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:37.519 There are probably chips in the spoon though, and there 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:42.439 are chips that the salty. So anything hurt any seen 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:44.479 on the you just saw it and upset you. 1:19:44.800 --> 1:19:46.960 Oh, I thought you meant physically like. 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:49.439 I mean just walking Its pre rough, mate. I'm not 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:50.680 gonna lie I'm in pain, but. 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:54.519 Geez, I need a second. I'm trying to think. 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:56.839 Anything just upsetting or annoying. 1:19:57.160 --> 1:19:58.559 Yeah, I mean it does. 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:02.559 It does pain me to see the AI integration and everything, 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:06.719 like I don't need AI to be like the most 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:09.200 random things like I was actually surprised that the spoon 1:20:09.280 --> 1:20:13.400 didn't say claim AI integration or anything, you know, uh, 1:20:13.840 --> 1:20:16.280 the smart glasses. I mean, I guess I could see 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:19.640 with the glasses like the AI integration for like translations 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:22.200 is a use case if you're someone who would wear 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:24.800 AR glasses to begin with. But I mean, do you 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:29.000 really need like generative AI and things like that, Like no, Like. 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:33.160 I find the rape bends discussed PUDTE disgusting. I think 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:35.320 if you're walking around looking at things and trying to 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:38.280 work out using the computer or a pervert, like what 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:39.040 are you? What are you doing? 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:39.559 Right? 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:39.920 Right? 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:45.479 Like stuff too, though, are a hugetable market market many 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:48.000 of them, many of them listen to the show, speaking 1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:50.160 of which, I think this might be the first CEES 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:53.000 where they're the sex toy industry is here. 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:53.960 That's the thing. 1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:55.599 Wait, they weren't here before they were. 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:57.880 There was a huge thing a year or two ago 1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:01.679 where some company applied for CES and they were told 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:06.160 we do not this industry here and they smartly, I 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:08.599 mean you used it to their advantage like with press, 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:13.000 and they were like it got tons of I think 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:15.280 on top of this, this was like a sex positive 1:21:15.320 --> 1:21:16.439 woman owned business. 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:17.240 There's nothing wrong with it. 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:18.400 Yeah, no, nothing wrong at all. 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:20.880 But like that company used that to their advantage and said, 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:23.799 like CS tells you know women owned. 1:21:23.720 --> 1:21:26.240 Sex Yeah yeah. 1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:28.040 And so for the first time I'm seeing these sex 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:29.599 toy companies on the floor of CES. 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:30.880 It's like, why not I. 1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:35.160 Feel like Vegas is something, something's economically breaking. I haven't 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:37.679 seen the guys with the flappy cards. I didn't see 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:41.280 the flappy guys either, back back, get back. So these 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:44.439 guys who are I think it's stripped cups personally never. 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:47.559 Heading out like the yeah, yeah, and I haven't seen. 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:49.280 Them for years. And that the back clapping, the back 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:51.800 they're flipping to the clap clap. They I saw them. 1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:53.559 They put they like took a fan. 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.439 It was actually it's actually kind of nice, very industri 1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:58.479 They took all the nasty little cards and they put 1:21:58.520 --> 1:22:00.599 them like on a streets sign and made a little fans. 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:02.519 Yeah, I saw that kind of cute. They have been 1:22:02.640 --> 1:22:05.479 gone for years. In fact, they're back is probably not 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:07.639 a great sign. But I must be clear, there's nothing 1:22:07.680 --> 1:22:09.200 wrong with being a perverse as long as. 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:11.480 You don't think there's something wrong with that industry, particularly 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:12.320 that industry. 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:16.200 I do not know about QR codes, like, right. 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:21.599 You're supposed to scan the porno, right, But that's the thing. 1:22:21.640 --> 1:22:23.439 Nothing wrong with being horny as long as it's not 1:22:23.479 --> 1:22:25.800 anyone else it's problem. Let's go around right now. Let's 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:28.320 just say who's horny in the room. So ed or Nope, 1:22:28.520 --> 1:22:34.559 not Tom, I love this. This is really good. Writers 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:38.680 declines comment on this one. Okay, Matt, when you walk in, 1:22:38.760 --> 1:22:42.640 I was like, no, can we quote that? Cand I 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:44.000 write this up and quote. 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:48.200 On the question of horniness, Reuters declimb. 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:52.080 No, stop it. I'm sorry. Why did I just didn't 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:54.840 say anything for a minute, so I want to well, 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:56.400 we didn't get mad on the record here, so. 1:22:57.080 --> 1:22:59.920 Well, I can quote Mashable here Mashable very horny. 1:23:00.479 --> 1:23:06.320 My god, so sorry. Everyone every had Robert Evans listing 1:23:06.360 --> 1:23:10.680 all the crimes I commit every every episode. Listeners were 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:15.160 the criminals I know. And I made a joke about 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:17.840 stealing stuff once and it's all that's in the reddit 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:21.560 and even saying this, there's gonna be another thread and 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:23.600 they're gonna be like, oh, I did this crime. I 1:23:25.479 --> 1:23:27.920 run the reddit, baby, Okay, I'm on the top of 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:28.280 that ship. 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:30.880 Isn't that kind of a conflict of interest? No? 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:34.439 No, no, well yes, but no. The reddit was created 1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:36.960 by someone called comic Con and all it was for 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:41.479 the first month was just like the show fucking sucks. 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:43.759 So I went in there and just argued with everyone. 1:23:44.680 --> 1:23:46.400 And now it's great. They love me because they know 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:51.400 all fucking respond Yeah, culture of fear. Baby, So Max, 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:52.920 how long are you here for? How how long are 1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:55.400 you you suffering with this? I'm leaving tonight. 1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:58.880 That's probably for the best, just enough time to see 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:00.840 the silicon and get out. 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:02.960 Yeah, and then with the wholely levels then we don't 1:24:02.960 --> 1:24:06.040 even know what kind of silicon. I'm so sorry, Max, 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:10.920 I'm I'm sorry. But so do you like see is 1:24:10.960 --> 1:24:14.599 this your first how many of you? I've been twice now, right, 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:16.160 So how do I feel? 1:24:16.479 --> 1:24:20.080 I mean, Vegas is a is a city that I 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:22.200 think you just have to accept, yes, And when you 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:26.800 do that, especially this part of Las Vegas, then then 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:28.960 I think it's a lot more enjoyable, right personally, because 1:24:28.960 --> 1:24:31.160 like I don't visit Vegas very often, you know, so 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:33.080 it's kind of a novelty for me. I get to 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:35.559 go see the crazy casinos and walk around the room, 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:41.080 see all the different people who were here and degenerates okay, 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:44.680 most yeah, exactly most so, I mean, and it is 1:24:44.760 --> 1:24:47.240 kind of cool to see like all this technology, you know, 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:51.080 sort of stuck into like sixteen different convention centers or 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:54.600 whatever the number is these days, you know, but you 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:56.760 know this is visit number two. I'm saying for two days, 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:59.559 so I don't have the uh, you know, tenure to 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:01.200 be able to to talk about it like I'm a 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:03.200 twenty year veteran and some people certainly have. 1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:03.600 I know. 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:06.040 I find it fascinating when people haven't got much experience 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:09.240 how they feel. But you also deal with the real things, 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:12.920 which is which is fun because everyone else is just 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:15.320 going and being like, yeah, I saw an AI dil though, 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.400 and I can't. They wouldn't let me use it. 1:25:18.560 --> 1:25:21.200 Well, I mean, you know, the PC chips and and 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:23.040 and so on. Our are pretty exciting, but a lot 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:25.519 of the stuff that we report on is the data 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.479 center chips that power most of AI. Right now, they 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:31.240 hear as well, no, this is this is all consumer stuff, 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:33.840 the most I mean, the biggest thing that tends to 1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:35.840 get talked about. Now you're you know, we're talking about 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:39.720 things that aren't discussed or weren't discussed before, Matt or 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:42.760 are the these AI PCs. This is like one of 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:44.880 these things that the industry has been trying to make 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:48.880 happen for a little over a year now, and you know, 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:52.080 supposed to start lifting PC A PC sales this year and. 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:53.479 What these chips meant to do. 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:57.960 Just to be clear, I wish I could have a 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:01.800 good as I have the demo later today, I'll let 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:03.519 you know I'm clear to me. 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:06.120 I mean I think the I mean I'm saying that 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:07.880 because I think the answer is is that this is 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:09.439 one of those situations where if you don't build the 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:11.200 hardware to do the thing, then nobody can make the 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:13.040 software to do the thing right. Right, So if you 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:15.840 if the capability doesn't exist, then nobody can code on 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:18.559 top of it to make the cool application for whatever. 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:19.080 AI think. 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:20.920 Okay, I'll buy that, right, Like I mean, I mean, 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:23.040 I have no idea if it'll succeed or not. I mean, 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:25.040 I don't predict the future, but I think it is 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:28.160 true with any generation of hardware, like for example, real 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:30.080 time rate tracing that in video made a few years 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:32.280 ago when they launched it, and real time rate tracing 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:34.679 just makes light look better, video game graphics look better. 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:36.479 So for when they launched it. 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:38.160 There was like one, yeah, I don't remember how many games, 1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:40.120 but it was like a small handful, you know, very 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:42.960 very few, and you know, it was like cool, but 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:46.599 not widely adopted. It took until I think the video 1:26:46.600 --> 1:26:49.719 game consoles. The Xbox Series X and the PS five 1:26:50.240 --> 1:26:53.200 included the tech in their systems for it to become 1:26:53.320 --> 1:26:56.720 like very widely adopted by developers. You know, So this 1:26:56.800 --> 1:26:59.400 is I think with AIPC chips. It's like kind of similar. 1:27:00.240 --> 1:27:02.120 How long will this bubble lost? Right? 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:03.720 I mean I would give it a few years, Like 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:05.400 I would give it two or three years for the 1:27:05.439 --> 1:27:08.240 software software ecosystem to like actually build out. But I mean, 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:11.479 you know, at the moment, arguably the most interesting thing 1:27:12.000 --> 1:27:15.559 that Microsoft talked about when they launched their Copilot plus 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:17.720 program was the what is that? 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:20.479 Historically it's their AI PC platform. 1:27:21.000 --> 1:27:22.920 The PCs that are part of it have to have 1:27:23.000 --> 1:27:25.640 a certain spec in order to run the applications. Was 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:27.680 this thing called recall, which allowed you to look back, Oh, 1:27:27.720 --> 1:27:28.360 everyone loved that. 1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:30.680 Everybody loved that. They killed it. They're relaunching it now. 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.760 But I mean, yes, you know, so yeah, I just 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:37.320 it's but like you see, you. 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:41.000 See this blowback even from like regular consumers, not just 1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:43.160 the disgruntled people in the room right here right now, 1:27:43.160 --> 1:27:45.720 like the five of us, but like regular consumers are 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:48.759 not upgrading to like Windows eleven, for example, They're choosing 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:52.679 to stick with the non AI operating system and like, listen, 1:27:52.680 --> 1:27:54.720 I don't think they are aware that they're like, oh 1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:57.320 I don't want AI for the most part. But also 1:27:57.360 --> 1:27:59.320 the AI has not been a draw for them to 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:02.000 get them to upgrade, Like they don't care about it. 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:04.720 And when it comes to enterprise stuff, especially like what 1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:07.320 you're talking about, like trying to sell like business like 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:10.320 laptops with like integrated you know, I think they call 1:28:10.360 --> 1:28:14.000 them NPUs neuroprocessing unit. Is okay, all this stuff is 1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:17.120 already running in the cloud. I can't think of any 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:20.920 other like you know, sort of like function where they 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:23.840 offloaded it from the cloud to like your local PC. Like, 1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:27.360 what's the business value in running chat GPT on like 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:28.000 your laptop? 1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:30.439 Actually I can actually answer that one in the sense 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.439 that it will kill chat GPT, because when you realize 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:35.120 what you can run on your laptop, you'll fuck around 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:36.559 with it and be like, oh, this doesn't do that matter. 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:39.600 Yeah, there's all these like software as service companies that 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:42.599 are like speak and it'll text a voice right away 1:28:42.600 --> 1:28:44.760 for you. Well, there are models that you could just 1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:46.840 run off your computer. You don't have to pay a 1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:49.840 monthly fee to do that. You could just literally download 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:53.560 the free like language model and there you go your set. 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:56.040 It's they don't want people to know this for real. 1:28:56.360 --> 1:28:58.280 Yeah, I mean, but in a lot of cases, you 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:01.640 can already run this stuff on afficiently powerful computer with 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:03.200 that just has like the GPU. 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:06.400 Oh yeah, yeah, you could get right now, like a 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:10.439 probably a two three hundred dollars M one Macminie because 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:12.519 they're now at M four and even that's five hundred 1:29:12.560 --> 1:29:15.360 bucks and your set. You could run all this stuff 1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:18.960 right off your your silicon uh, the Macca chipset if 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:19.240 you want. 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:21.599 Yeah, I just haven't seen the use cases to like 1:29:21.760 --> 1:29:25.000 justify like these, like like buying a new generation of 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:27.960 AI PC's. It doesn't like really stand out to me 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:29.240 as so why you would do this. 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:31.360 I mean, I think what's really going to drive people 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:33.200 to buy new computers is the fact that Windows ten 1:29:33.400 --> 1:29:35.080 is end of life. 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:37.320 Yeah, I mean, no, my dad has to buy a 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:41.160 new laptop of it stops the lessons. He loves his laptop. 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:43.479 It's like he loves this weird surface thing. 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:46.280 Unfortunately not very funny or interesting. The fact that you know, 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:47.880 that's the reason why people are gonnaup grade. 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:51.439 Also, my dad Jeff, Hi dad. You sometimes listen to 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:55.000 these hi head's dad, Everyone say HWI I to my 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:56.760 dad and Jeff, let's get a horny check on you 1:29:56.800 --> 1:30:00.479 as well, if you don't mind not, I am going 1:30:00.520 --> 1:30:02.559 to have to talk to my father about that. 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:04.880 On a scale of chase. 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:07.519 To Randy to tell. I'm going to tell the group 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:11.200 chat I have with my siblings that I am shortly 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:15.040 going to have to find out morning. 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:18.559 That is, I can go down to that power they 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:19.400 hook your dad up with. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:21.360 I need you to send me the booth numbers chat. 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:24.040 I'm going to FaceTime your dad right now. 1:30:25.080 --> 1:30:28.920 It's ten pm in GMT. Just going for that. Okay, 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:32.400 we've got to wrap up them. So Tom McKay, where 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:33.040 can people find you? 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:33.760 Uh? 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:36.240 You can find me at ibrew dot com. You can 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:39.479 also find me on Twitter at Twitter dot com, slash 1:30:39.600 --> 1:30:42.760 the Tom zone or x dot com whatever and uh 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:46.360 on blue sky as cattured two dots guy do at 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:47.479 social so good. 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:50.160 So I bet you're loving that you chose that name. 1:30:50.520 --> 1:30:53.679 I am not. It's so good. I'm on a bunch 1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:56.960 of blacklists. I remember everybody thinks that I'm the Actually. 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:59.400 I remember when you picked it, being like he is 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:02.240 going to get by people. It's so good, Max Chenney 1:31:02.240 --> 1:31:05.439 web can people find you anywhere where there's a chip? 1:31:06.000 --> 1:31:09.720 But Okaynell, that's not even factually true. And what's great? 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:12.000 By the way, my brother just responded to the thing 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:14.640 of I am surely My other brother responded with, what 1:31:14.680 --> 1:31:16.639 the fuck? I can't wait to explain why my dad 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:18.760 is going to have to do a horny check to 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:21.040 my siblings. Max to Cheney, weckon people find you, Sorry 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:25.200 at Churn and burn on X and Blue Sky and 1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:27.200 then on LinkedIn. If you want, just look look up 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:29.600 my name. Very good, Matt Band to weaken people find you. 1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:32.040 First of all, I'm sorry for bringing up the sex 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:34.479 toys being at CES this year, but yeah, you. 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:35.559 Can find me well my Mashable. 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:39.160 My CES coverage will be at mashablemashable dot com, and 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:41.439 you can find me on you know, all sorts of 1:31:41.439 --> 1:31:45.880 social media, Blue Sky X, the Everything app, threads at 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:48.160 Matt Bender, very good, Jesse for wrong. 1:31:48.560 --> 1:31:51.599 Yeah, your Kickstarter sucks is the podcast go off Kings 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:54.479 is my stream, Yeah, and I'm not on the everything app, 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:56.679 but yeah on Blue Sky, jessefar dot com. 1:31:56.800 --> 1:31:59.000 I probably need to change the episode links because I 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:01.639 linked to you on x and I'm of course ed Zeitron. 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:04.400 I am now going to have a very uncomfortable conversation 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:07.280 with several of my siblings about this episode. 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