Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: When I was a young boy, my father he took
Speaker 2: me to the Las Vegas based consumer electronics show and
Speaker 2: he left me here for days. Welcome to Better Offline.
Speaker 2: I'm your host ed zitpon and we are back talking
Speaker 2: about the consumer electronics show. I slept five hours yesterday,
Speaker 2: so I was a little low energy. Today I am
Speaker 2: way higher energy. So this is what you have to
Speaker 2: expect today. But I'm joined by another dynamic coachie of guests.
Speaker 2: On my left here I have Tom McKay's, a senior
Speaker 2: reporter at it brew. Tom, Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 1: Awesome, it's great to be here.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah. And across from me, I have Jesse Ferrara
Speaker 2: of your Kickstarter sucks.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: I have loved ykas for years. But also tell people
Speaker 2: a little bit about what YKS is because it's so
Speaker 2: germane to the show.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, you know it's uh. I guess it
Speaker 3: has morphed into something that is a tech skeptic show,
Speaker 3: you know, which you're familiar with, and it's it. It
Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to be that. It was supposed to be
Speaker 3: about crowdfunding. But what happens when we get sucked into
Speaker 3: these worlds. You know, you often find, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: there's some more here than I really thought. And such
Speaker 3: is the way of crowdfunding, because now it's it's mostly
Speaker 3: AI stuff, or it's you know, a little robot that
Speaker 3: spins around on a wheel and says how you doing
Speaker 3: or whatever. So uh so, mostly, okay, that was a
Speaker 3: bad example because obviously that's awesome and we all want that.
Speaker 2: But there's so much of this.
Speaker 3: There's a big overlap I guess, between bad tech and
Speaker 3: what's on our show.
Speaker 2: And you got a lot of your start as well,
Speaker 2: was talking about just the shit that people were promising
Speaker 2: on crowdfunding campaigns. Yeah, I think that's what that's like.
Speaker 3: It shares like a particular DNA with cees, which we
Speaker 3: were talking a little bit earlier before we got started,
Speaker 3: which is, hey, I remember this stuff from last year,
Speaker 3: and then you show up and it's not here, right yeah.
Speaker 2: And also it's not anywhere. And that's what kickstarter is, right.
Speaker 3: There's somebody who says, what if we did this, and
Speaker 3: you go, well, I don't know, man, I mean I
Speaker 3: guess try it, and they go okay, and then nothing
Speaker 3: happens after that at all, and the only record of
Speaker 3: it sometimes is our stupid.
Speaker 2: Show saying how much it sucks, so so really doing
Speaker 2: the pure journalism there, it's anthropology as well that I
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to sell it short but
Speaker 2: all right, so, oh my right, I have Henry Casey,
Speaker 2: electronics writer at CNN underscored Henry, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: So a lot of your stuff is just you. You
Speaker 2: have one of the more honest jobs I would say
Speaker 2: of the people that we've had on so far, which
Speaker 2: is not meant to sound like an insult though it does,
Speaker 2: okay in the sense that you're just like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look at stuff like It's not like you're doing like
Speaker 2: a trend piece. It's like, I'm gonna look at some
Speaker 2: stuff that sounds or looks away.
Speaker 4: Is it something that is either gonna be released and
Speaker 4: has a price or life to be likely to be
Speaker 4: released and has a price, but well, we're all afraid
Speaker 4: of tariff so we're not gonna give a price yet.
Speaker 4: Or is it really cool and you're gonna want to
Speaker 4: click on it? And I'm sorry that we're gonna say
Speaker 4: this as a concept that we're gonna tell you that upfront.
Speaker 4: Those are the three categories of what I do. But
Speaker 4: for mostly I'm proc reviews. Guy, I am we have
Speaker 4: a customer, we have an audience. It's like, oh, I
Speaker 4: want to get something that improves X, Y or Z.
Speaker 4: And that's how I get to not cover stuff that
Speaker 4: isn't going to help anybody or anything. And how I
Speaker 4: got to avoid talking about the Rabbit last year because
Speaker 4: it didn't have any dreamanness to anybody.
Speaker 2: And you made a point before we got on as well.
Speaker 2: So the Rabbit r one for people that don't know,
Speaker 2: is this little box that promised to you could be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I need a McDonald and I need a chicken nugget
Speaker 2: from McDonald and then you talked into it and the
Speaker 2: nugget would appear. Except by the way and the launch
Speaker 2: of the Rabbit. When he tried to do this, it
Speaker 2: broke of all the shit to do, like a live
Speaker 2: demo of your very broken thing, and it turned out
Speaker 2: that behind the scenes all it was was triggering like
Speaker 2: these scripts. Nothing from Rabbit this year, but also nothing
Speaker 2: like Rabbit this year. No one has done a big
Speaker 2: cause I lie. No one's just come up with a
Speaker 2: fake thing than this selling, which is very disappointing. I
Speaker 2: was looking for some dog shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah you normally in these times I find you know,
Speaker 3: we look to the helpers, and so I looked for
Speaker 3: will I Am and I found him and I was
Speaker 3: able to take a creepshot of him from really far away.
Speaker 3: So if that helps anybody, I'd be happy to share.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't seem like even will I Am had something.
Speaker 3: It was like a speaker thing or some kind of headphones, right.
Speaker 4: Like even and speakers and a little bit of headphones
Speaker 4: with LG they had an event. I didn't get coded
Speaker 4: it last night. But yeah, they're doing a whole partnership.
Speaker 3: That's great. I feel like, maybe I don't know, is
Speaker 3: maybe this is too cynical. I almost feel like we're
Speaker 3: good on speakers. I think maybe I have enough ways
Speaker 3: to like play music in my house and I probably
Speaker 3: don't need to iterate on that anymore. But yeah, these
Speaker 3: guys didn't get the message on that for sure. So
Speaker 3: Tom McKay, so it, bro, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: What are you actually looking into? Because it seems like
Speaker 3: you might have a slightly different remit.
Speaker 1: So I mostly cover enterprise technology, so I'm here mostly
Speaker 1: to cover know what there is of the B two
Speaker 1: B segment here and cybersecurity stuff I don't know. Yesterday
Speaker 1: I interviewed a guy, Brandon Lucca, who does his company
Speaker 1: called Efficient Computing or Efficient Computer. Uh it you know,
Speaker 1: dramatically lowers the power requirements of processing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't I mean.
Speaker 1: Uh, And I've spent a lot of time just wandering
Speaker 1: around the floor.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The AI pavilion is baffling in harf Is that in
Speaker 1: the LVCC. Yeah, that's the that's a big LG one
Speaker 1: where they have I forget if it's LG's branding, but
Speaker 1: there's like one that's like the rebranding it is Affectionate
Speaker 1: Intelligence and it's just absolute dog shit.
Speaker 2: Well does that mean?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, from what I can see, there's like a big
Speaker 1: board you go in there, or a big TV when
Speaker 1: you go in there, and it's like playing CGI clips
Speaker 1: of like a family being like it's cold today? What
Speaker 1: should I cook? And the fridge starts talking. It's like wow,
Speaker 1: I the fuck I know? And it's like or like
Speaker 1: there's another clip that plays on it where it's like
Speaker 1: a girl like tossing a baseball and the Dad's like
Speaker 1: I need recommendations for TV and lo and behold the
Speaker 1: TV recommends baseball clips.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: I love about this as well as the assumption that
Speaker 2: there are assumptions being made by people that have not
Speaker 2: talked to a person in some time. They're just like,
Speaker 2: they're just like, what the fuck did dads do with
Speaker 2: their daughters? Did they throw a ball? I guess what
Speaker 2: do I make?
Speaker 1: Is like baby talking adults. It's it feels insane.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we all walk up to the fridge and go, well,
Speaker 2: there's one thing in there. It's a pack of ham.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's ten days or ten weeks old.
Speaker 2: Maybe I could make dinner with that. But also I
Speaker 2: don't know who is walking up to fridge and going like, man,
Speaker 2: I wish someone would tell me what to make with
Speaker 2: all this fee.
Speaker 1: I wish the fridge would tell me don't eat that
Speaker 1: it's been there for seven days. But none of this does.
Speaker 2: That, no, because that's an actual problem. Yeah, versus there's
Speaker 2: no Bachelor fridge. I did, however, see a Bachelor dish
Speaker 2: washer A dish so this is really.
Speaker 1: Finn It's marketed as four batchelor.
Speaker 2: It should be it's a five second dish washer, So
Speaker 2: I walked up and this is this is very me.
Speaker 2: I walked up and go all right, how much that
Speaker 2: four hundred bucks? I'm like okay, I'm like is it
Speaker 2: out here only in China right now? Coming next year?
Speaker 2: And I said, all right, can you show me? And
Speaker 2: he puts the plate in the I'm like, you put
Speaker 2: the dirty one. He's like, oh, I'm already doing this one.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well it's pretty short, and he just like
Speaker 2: stares there and goes, okay, well I'm going to put
Speaker 2: this one. And I'm like okay, so the clean one,
Speaker 2: and he goes I'm like, how long? Five seconds? Like
Speaker 2: great one, two, three, four, five, six seven. And the
Speaker 2: guy's just like, oh god, because no one's walked up
Speaker 2: and timed it. Yeah, And he just like looks at
Speaker 2: me like it just it's a dish. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: this is great. It's for like like sad guys, right,
Speaker 2: and he just he goes, I sure, he's like this.
Speaker 2: This guy's already out timed the.
Speaker 1: Miss Still it cleans a single plate at a time.
Speaker 2: No, you can do like a few, but it actually
Speaker 2: looked like genuinely I was like I could see using this.
Speaker 2: But the reason I choose the bachelor thing is who
Speaker 2: is cleaning like three plates? Like it's like but also
Speaker 2: absolutely like this is like when you're making one set
Speaker 2: off one set, gentleman talking about myself and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: but what's weird was that's arguably one of the most
Speaker 2: useful things I've seen. Appliances are useful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we've yeah, we figured out Okay, it's good
Speaker 3: when you wash the dish or you make the food
Speaker 3: or whatever. So like we're all on board with how
Speaker 3: to do that kind of stuff. So if they put
Speaker 3: a different screen on it, you're gonna get me to stop.
Speaker 3: I'll look at the new screen on the fridge.
Speaker 2: I really do like all the AI screen stuff though,
Speaker 2: Like so it's just like they haven't worked out why
Speaker 2: screens are useful. Eth Yeah, that's also a problem.
Speaker 4: I do in theory, like the idea of like tell
Speaker 4: me or I could make with this because I make
Speaker 4: the same sheet pan dish a lot, and if I
Speaker 4: could have a thing that could tell me, hey, who
Speaker 4: the new thing you could make with some of these ingredients.
Speaker 4: Just get one new thing.
Speaker 2: But you're saying you already have the ingredients.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what or like it could suggest hey, half of
Speaker 4: these ingredients, get this other thing, make this other dish something.
Speaker 4: They push it to be more creative with what you
Speaker 4: do because you think they're all taking over our imagination.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's what the whole gimmick is.
Speaker 4: AI is imagination that executives can buy an outsource human
Speaker 4: work to. Okay, that's that's the methods that nobody's saying about,
Speaker 4: like help me be a more adventurous call.
Speaker 3: But it starts to telling you before you go to
Speaker 3: the store, though, right, you can't. There's no world where
Speaker 3: you have like you don't have like leaks in your fridge,
Speaker 3: and like what am I gonna do all these leaks?
Speaker 3: Like you fucking bought the leaks right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are leaks in the shield.
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know what leaks are?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: So bad? Example by me? Well I like them? Okay,
Speaker 2: that's all right, Well i'll see you later.
Speaker 3: Then here is like helpful who doesn't feels like there's
Speaker 3: a team leak and like a team anti leak.
Speaker 2: So I did see one thing I like though, and
Speaker 2: I think it confused them because so I found so
Speaker 2: you know those golf simulators where you knock the ball
Speaker 2: into a screen and it has like senses. They had
Speaker 2: one for baseball. Oh so it was all of these
Speaker 2: like Korean guys and I walk up, like are you
Speaker 2: doing and they're like already just like British guy. This
Speaker 2: guy doesn't know anything about the baseball or absolutely did
Speaker 2: so have you got partnerships with the KBO And they're like,
Speaker 2: oh uh, like does this work? Is this like hit tracks?
Speaker 2: So to explain some baseball tech for you, it's actually
Speaker 2: fucking cool if you go to like local bat in
Speaker 2: cages z cages here in Vegas just doing ads. They
Speaker 2: did not pay me, in fact I pay them, and
Speaker 2: they're very hard to schedule with sometimes. Anyway. What they
Speaker 2: have is a thing called hit tracks, so when you
Speaker 2: hit it, it sees the lolosty of the ball and
Speaker 2: like where you hit it and such, and this stuff's
Speaker 2: fairly easily available. The thing is it requires a natural
Speaker 2: bat in case you build around this. One is kind
Speaker 2: of like the golfing thing. It's like fifteen grand and
Speaker 2: they're like, hey you good bye one. I'm like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: but and I was like, this is the only thing
Speaker 2: I'd like to see. Yes, And they seem so happy.
Speaker 2: They seemed genuinely happy and then they really wanted to
Speaker 2: sell me when I was like, and then they seemed
Speaker 2: less happy. Are they trying to sell it to people
Speaker 2: or just like bars, they're trying to sell it to
Speaker 2: teams and and I assume, like dying looking British men
Speaker 2: right and sadly that it's very small market there. But
Speaker 2: that was really cool, and it's like, I did get
Speaker 2: this feeling walking around. I've spent the day in the
Speaker 2: Venetian expo hole, so the one right connected to the
Speaker 2: Venetian I did get this weird feeling. Though CS gets
Speaker 2: done dirty because most of CS is so fucking boring.
Speaker 2: It's but not in a bad way. It's like more
Speaker 2: efficiency driving, battery technology, mobility for this, like and urine
Speaker 2: sensors and such, and I wanted to make if I
Speaker 2: saw urine, and naturally I'm just like a photo. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh wait, this is useful and it's good to look
Speaker 2: at p Yeah, I have to I love looking at
Speaker 2: the piss Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then you gave me one of the p test kits.
Speaker 1: I haven't used it yet, yeah, I did. I gotta
Speaker 1: see how my pots states are.
Speaker 2: I guess I was walking out of a CS once
Speaker 2: and I saw like an ai semen. It's like and
Speaker 2: I really want to walk up and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to Can I have a go?
Speaker 1: There is? Actually I saw a booth that's like selling
Speaker 1: like a I guess it's a machine that like measures
Speaker 1: your spur motility orso. And you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: they were doing products on site, but whose well I
Speaker 1: didn't see If there's a little booth in the corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I just hey, I got some with me.
Speaker 2: But also I did see a few things that really
Speaker 2: bothered me. And there was one where they had this
Speaker 2: VR glasses thing and it said a new hope for
Speaker 2: autism and dyslexia. And I'm gonna be talking about this
Speaker 2: a few times on this show. Move a VR and
Speaker 2: I walk over. I'm like, hey, so have you talked
Speaker 2: to the FDA about this? And the one goes, what's that?
Speaker 2: Which is a good start, and I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: they're the ones you'd have to work with to make
Speaker 2: this legal in America. Oh, we're not a medical device.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, so how is this good for autism? Well,
Speaker 2: it's great for autism and dyslexia. I just paused. My
Speaker 2: guy so I have someone in a fan with the autism.
Speaker 2: So I started getting a little bit pissed off, and
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, do you think those are the
Speaker 2: same things? And sheid, no, they're different. How pause again,
Speaker 2: I go, what clinical trials have you done? Well, we've
Speaker 2: done clinical trials. I'm like, where where France, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And just to be clear,
Speaker 2: the classic thing that autistic people love is putting new
Speaker 2: things on and new experiences. And this thing was by
Speaker 2: the way you put the glasses on and you had
Speaker 2: to move a character through letters to like do something. Okay,
Speaker 2: uh huh. And let me just be clear. This person
Speaker 2: who I talked to clearly had not been asked a
Speaker 2: single question in their life, because they were very confused
Speaker 2: that I kept saying, what do you How does this
Speaker 2: help autistic people? And they're like, they do they play
Speaker 2: the game. And I just want to say, if you
Speaker 2: were on this floor and you have anything to do
Speaker 2: with autism and I find you, I'm putting you on
Speaker 2: this fucking show and putting your assd on fucking blast
Speaker 2: because it's disgusting.
Speaker 3: I have noticed not through Kickstarter, well some through Kickstarter,
Speaker 3: but the impulse to make it easy on devices or
Speaker 3: products or whatever that are ostensibly for people who need
Speaker 3: help in various areas. Is like, that's tempting, right yea,
Speaker 3: to say like, oh cool, somebody's trying to figure something out.
Speaker 3: But a lot of times there's so much worse than
Speaker 3: just the normal jackof tech that it feels bad to
Speaker 3: evaluate them at all.
Speaker 4: Wasn't this the thing that Lena Connan you were talking
Speaker 4: out ed about, how like, oh, we're in a new
Speaker 4: area of technology. We want we want less criticism, we
Speaker 4: want we want more protection, less scrutiny.
Speaker 2: And this one is just a bit And you're right, Jesse,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff here where it's just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're helping people, so give us a break. Okay. Now,
Speaker 2: I talked with Ben Woolf who's a friend of the show,
Speaker 2: and he sent a quote through about this company said
Speaker 2: where I think they're utterly full of shit. Is the
Speaker 2: other testimonial on the website movie via The principles of
Speaker 2: the experience offered by movear is to address the visual
Speaker 2: constraints found, according to the TVPS four manual in diagnosed
Speaker 2: learning disorders such as dyslexia, ADHD and DCD. This is
Speaker 2: frankly crap. Dyslexia is enormously variable, and immersive environments are nonsensical.
Speaker 2: Quote treatment. He's doing little air quotes around that. ADHD
Speaker 2: has no reason to be mechanicalistically vulnerable to this kind
Speaker 2: of intervention. The point is that none of these people
Speaker 2: talk to any fucking scientists, and the tech media needs
Speaker 2: to go and harass them because you should not be
Speaker 2: able to come onto this floor and feel safe. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't mean physically from criticism. There we go because
Speaker 2: it just really bothers me. And a lot of what's
Speaker 2: in the expo hare in the Venetian is this stuff.
Speaker 2: There's so much health stuff. It's we were talking about yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. Oh you guys love health. I no, I
Speaker 2: want to diet, like just we will kill you.
Speaker 4: In like you've been asked like, oh, talk about something
Speaker 4: you're excited and happy about with tech, that.
Speaker 2: The baseball thing and the workout, the any workout shit.
Speaker 2: But you post you're like, yeah, good jack, that stuff
Speaker 2: is the stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm using the supernatural VR thing right that's
Speaker 4: actually getting my heart rate up and I see the
Speaker 4: char whatever its suitable alternative to going to the gym.
Speaker 4: It's to avoid the weirdos. It's there is good stuff
Speaker 4: out there to get healthy intech, but it's the the
Speaker 4: Venetian floor is really condensed and too tight to make
Speaker 4: any sense of unless you're a team of twenty five people,
Speaker 4: and the Verge doesn't have a twenty five person health team.
Speaker 2: They got Victoria's song one of the best. She's christ
Speaker 2: she's one of the best. Or yeah, she's got one
Speaker 2: of the single best. She's like the remaining wearable reporter.
Speaker 2: She's so good. And now here's the thing. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna read you what this company, wishtails Ai had on
Speaker 2: that thing is so empowering creators and consumers. With multimodal AI,
Speaker 2: the iPhone turned anyone into a photographer. Wishtails empowers everyone
Speaker 2: to be a creator. I could not make heads or
Speaker 2: tails of what this company did. I do not know.
Speaker 2: They just the music art automations create multimodal AI videos
Speaker 2: in mins, in twenty eight languages, and it just says
Speaker 2: ignite multimodal creativity. Imagine if they had any quality control.
Speaker 1: I mean, this just sounds like stuff the iPhone already does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also you create multimodal video. No you don't,
Speaker 2: we model you fucking to these people.
Speaker 3: The iPhone is mostly single modal, right, so that's like
Speaker 3: a huge because if you do more of the models
Speaker 3: then won't that be like better and stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like a hundred models going right now.
Speaker 2: That's insane. It's like really cool. I'm spinning them up.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that's possible.
Speaker 2: Anything is possible if you lie. So Tom, you mean
Speaker 2: looking and surprise stuff? Is there anything good? Is there
Speaker 2: any any joys?
Speaker 1: I mean for the most I mean like this is
Speaker 1: mostly you know, consumer electronics. I've been going around, like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting drones that are intended for
Speaker 1: I guess like the B to B market. Interesting how
Speaker 1: like industrial scanning and stuff that's interesting. I mean the
Speaker 1: big themes this year are AI and robotics. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of sony robots. I mean it's
Speaker 1: funny though, so I forget what it's called. But I
Speaker 1: saw this one drone that's like a I don't know, tetra,
Speaker 1: don't know the big uh the sphere with like I
Speaker 1: can't remember the name of the shape. But yes, like
Speaker 1: a spear and it rolls around and then it can
Speaker 1: also fly. But I was talking with the guys that
Speaker 1: made this, and I was like, all right, so you know,
Speaker 1: what's what's the application of this And he's like, actually,
Speaker 1: we're here to you know, get ideas. That's what the
Speaker 1: potential applications are. Like, you built this before.
Speaker 2: Coming up with a business plan. Yeah, we're pre we
Speaker 2: have pre reason.
Speaker 1: We just I mean the only thing they had was
Speaker 1: like they gave me a brochure where it was like
Speaker 1: a little diagram of a pile of rocks and uh
Speaker 1: they like it just said search and rescue and then
Speaker 1: it had a picture of a tube and it's like
Speaker 1: not real inspection. And I'm like, okay, I guess if
Speaker 1: you have a really big tube that you need inspected.
Speaker 1: I love all them down large tubes.
Speaker 2: I hope there's so many corners.
Speaker 3: Tube guys are eating good this year's cube issues.
Speaker 2: I'm glad my tube's going to be sorted by the
Speaker 2: end of this trip. This is a bad location to be.
Speaker 2: I also got this At every CS I do look
Speaker 2: up names. I have a lot of fun looking at names.
Speaker 2: Everyone called skip up and the AI spot stethoscope And
Speaker 2: when I showed this to Phil, a resident safety expert.
Speaker 2: He made this Noise EDGEAI Technology application Primary Screening by
Speaker 2: AI for heart and lung health abnormalities. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: stop there before I get angry. What everyone is doing
Speaker 2: is they just like, we had an algorithm before, and
Speaker 2: we are just saying AI because otherwise they will realize
Speaker 2: it's the same thing from four years ago. And in fact,
Speaker 2: I feel like the theme right now for CS is dang,
Speaker 2: we did this a year ago.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is we had an algorithm
Speaker 1: and now we're slapping an additional layer on top best
Speaker 1: like chat GPT. So basically it does the exact same
Speaker 1: thing it did before, except you have an inaccurate robot
Speaker 1: relaying what's happening.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing you can fine dumb guys do
Speaker 2: not understand stuff for free. You can just get a
Speaker 2: bloke Becau's just like, I think, what okay, all right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I read into one that was
Speaker 1: like a like AI enabled like scuba diver kit with
Speaker 1: like the dive watches and stuff, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could just like I could just like swim over
Speaker 1: in a panic to the other diver and point at
Speaker 1: the watch and be like, oh, what does this mean?
Speaker 2: And I missed. I was really upset that I didn't
Speaker 2: hit the floor yesterday because there was apparently a speech
Speaker 2: in the Web three tokenization fintech section just called metaverse
Speaker 2: and quantum ai. Oh my god, I'm so mad.
Speaker 4: I we're still using the word metaverse in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 1: I never understood why anyone fell for that shit in
Speaker 1: the first place, but the fact that some people are
Speaker 1: still chasing it is wild to me.
Speaker 2: I'm also going to give a shout out to the
Speaker 2: only good booth here, the hang Joe Hyoshi Lighting Cone Limited.
Speaker 2: Just a big son that said Wooden Lamb Nice. I
Speaker 2: just loved that because it's like everyone else is just
Speaker 2: I was just making shit up. It's like they I've
Speaker 2: got a fucking lamp you want to Oh no, sorry.
Speaker 2: I finally found it the thing that I love the most.
Speaker 2: So I walked up to a booth where the sign
Speaker 2: said bridging Massage and Purification for your pet. And I
Speaker 2: walked up and I'm just showing everyone right now. It
Speaker 2: is an air purifier with what looks like a spike
Speaker 2: on the end. Oh yeah, my dog would like that,
Speaker 2: that's what they told me. Yeah, because I walked up
Speaker 2: and said, hi, so I just was reading your sign.
Speaker 2: What does that mean? She's oh, of course, very ready
Speaker 2: for the question, alarmingly so. And because will you see
Speaker 2: the pet wall kind of massage themselves, I'm like, on
Speaker 2: the spike and they will just so the dog just
Speaker 2: just does this, and she's like yeah, and we have
Speaker 2: a lower one for smaller dogs. I'm like, right, so
Speaker 2: the dog just shoves itself.
Speaker 3: Well, have you ever seen that with cows that they have,
Speaker 3: like the big brushes on the farms that the cows
Speaker 3: walk up to and scratch their back.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a dog do this. I've never seen
Speaker 2: a dog massage.
Speaker 1: Do you attach spikes to your whilst yes.
Speaker 2: Of course right, but I've never seen a dog well no,
Speaker 2: those are fither and paling. But it's a prince of
Speaker 2: purchase situation. We'll get to it later. But it's I've
Speaker 2: never seen a dog massage themselves against something anyone's seen.
Speaker 2: My dog will come in and kind of rub his
Speaker 2: back on the couch, not on the spike if the
Speaker 2: couch had a spike, you know. But it's also the
Speaker 2: spike is coming down. Yeah, I don't know. And this
Speaker 2: is a big booth as well. These people have spent
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars being like, well, I've got
Speaker 2: to get the dog spike air purifier? Is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Have you?
Speaker 3: Have you talked about that a lot, like the actual
Speaker 3: economics of putting on a booth, like sponsoring something.
Speaker 2: He probably should have looked that up. Yeah, what does
Speaker 2: it take to show up? I mean tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars, it's like one hundred thousand dollars for main
Speaker 2: hol Yes, absolutely, wow, And it's crazy. It's like there's
Speaker 2: so much stuff that's theoretical yeah or pre idea like
Speaker 2: like I don't know, and it's just so strange. But so, Tom,
Speaker 2: did you see anything you like yet? Did you see
Speaker 2: anything good?
Speaker 1: Good? I like the massage chairs.
Speaker 2: I nearly thought that every year though, the massage chairs
Speaker 2: fucking rock. They go they scam guys who are going
Speaker 2: to see yes to the first time, like, oh yeah
Speaker 2: it's four thousand dollars, we'll there for two and it
Speaker 2: cost them three hundred dollars And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of like locked me into the chair.
Speaker 1: There was like panels that compressed me and I couldn't
Speaker 1: leave it nearly fell asleep. That was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else.
Speaker 1: Uh, can we get back to me?
Speaker 2: No, but it's fine if you don't have an on stuff.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't, you know, I saw, you know, some
Speaker 1: robots that were cool. There's this one company, I think
Speaker 1: be Bot, that was working on a robotic turtle for
Speaker 1: like environmental research.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that sounds really good. Sorry, I thought you meant
Speaker 2: a member of It looks like a turtle, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why it needs to
Speaker 1: look like a turtle, but it but it apparently swims
Speaker 1: and everything, and you can launch it into the sea
Speaker 1: and it does it somehow does environmental reasons When we
Speaker 1: kill When.
Speaker 2: We kill all the turtles, dude, global warming, We're just
Speaker 2: gonna replace them with just.
Speaker 1: Some post apocalyptic future. This will be like Level one enemies,
Speaker 1: just swarms of like little robot turtles. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right Now I have to kill the rats in
Speaker 2: the Vegas in the Vegas at queducts to Vegas sewers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I go down there with kill a fee rats. Then
Speaker 2: there's a giant one and I have to run out
Speaker 2: to the cops and they shoot me Jesse, anything good.
Speaker 3: I well, I was wondering. I was thinking maybe Tom
Speaker 3: would bring these guys up. I accidentally got sucked into
Speaker 3: the Soul Semiconductor.
Speaker 2: Booth that yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, so these guys basically make the most baller semiconductors
Speaker 3: you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 2: Sake.
Speaker 3: I I walked it. It's a pretty big booth. They
Speaker 3: did a cool thing where it was like they had
Speaker 3: some really like uh, post apocalyptic messaging almost on the walls,
Speaker 3: but I think in like a cool way, like an
Speaker 3: environmental type of way. The thing they had on the
Speaker 3: sign at the top was like like birth does not
Speaker 3: guarantee six something like really you saw it.
Speaker 4: Wow, It's like it's almost a unity, like it's a
Speaker 4: people empowerment. Yeah yeah, and like people are meming the Okay.
Speaker 2: I want to meet the guy you can swear like
Speaker 2: you can say fucking shit and bowls and all the
Speaker 2: other ones. H I love that as well, because I
Speaker 2: want to meet the post thing reads then and goes
Speaker 2: fuck well damn. Other than Jesse. I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: So I walk immediately in and it's like a super
Speaker 3: serious guy and he's like, hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2: And I was like, hey, what's up?
Speaker 3: You know, what are you guys doing, and like immediately
Speaker 3: looking around and realizing there's nothing here that I know
Speaker 3: what it is. So but he was saying like, hey,
Speaker 3: we make all the LED backlights for like all of
Speaker 3: the TVs.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I actually actually useful.
Speaker 3: Great, you know, or they do like, you know, most
Speaker 3: a lot of cars, new cars now especially have the
Speaker 3: the LED headlights, tail lights and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So clearly they do that stuff too. That's great. I
Speaker 3: can't really make a joke about LED headlights. So I
Speaker 3: kind of got stuck in a conversation with him for
Speaker 3: about ten or fifteen minutes. But if you're just waiting
Speaker 3: to make a joke, I just truly trying to get
Speaker 3: out of there with yeah anything as just trying to
Speaker 3: do something I didn't. I almost said like, oh, so
Speaker 3: you're the guy I should be mad at when I
Speaker 3: you know, the lights are really bright on the road
Speaker 3: at night. But it looked like he wasn't even willing to,
Speaker 3: like I wasn't gonna go.
Speaker 2: Over at all. You'd just be like no, And then
Speaker 2: he scanned.
Speaker 1: My badge, Ah, he's going to send you an email.
Speaker 2: I had to run away really fast from the badge.
Speaker 2: The good thing is that with me, especially today, like
Speaker 2: I'm fully energetic. So I'm just walking around with a
Speaker 2: black mask and my eyes just fucking bulging out my
Speaker 2: head and i walk really fast because I've done this
Speaker 2: show so many times, I just I know exactly the route.
Speaker 2: So you just see this high speed British man in
Speaker 2: a Jensen hung style leather jacket, just fucking making a
Speaker 2: beeline for you, taking three photos, going what's this? And
Speaker 2: it's I actually apologize to anyone I've.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a two dollars Horrd game on Steam.
Speaker 2: But it becomes a hen Ti one lights out Henry.
Speaker 2: What is so? Is that anything you've.
Speaker 4: Liked as much as it can be the negative person
Speaker 4: in any conversation actually.
Speaker 2: Have three So that's three more than most tcl is. Do.
Speaker 4: They have these next paper devices. They've then Matt screens
Speaker 4: and stuff. Now they're doing something really actually great with it.
Speaker 4: I think I expect Apple will have their own version
Speaker 4: of in two to three years. This thing is the
Speaker 4: next paper eleven plus tablet, which basically has a mode
Speaker 4: where it switches into basically an e ink like screen mode,
Speaker 4: which will a incredibly good battery life. Probably be let
Speaker 4: your regular Android tablet become an e reader looking thing
Speaker 4: has a Matt screen device. You know how Apple's got
Speaker 4: the iMac and the iPad. Now with Matt screens, past
Speaker 4: that technology onto an iPhone screen, put this mode on it,
Speaker 4: and they're going to have battery life better than they've
Speaker 4: ever had.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 4: I'm not a huge fan of suitcase turntables. There's good reason.
Speaker 4: I think Crosley's sort of ruined the idea of a
Speaker 4: two kase certain table. But Victrola has one that has Hilariously,
Speaker 4: I think it's has lighting in the front that.
Speaker 2: You can sync up to the music. And it's seventy
Speaker 2: five bucks, which called the Journey Glow I believe.
Speaker 4: And it's like, if it's Victrolla is a trustable brand,
Speaker 4: I feel like in sound. So it's like a a
Speaker 4: s Kate ceranin table that doesn't ruin your records. And
Speaker 4: they played Daft Punk on it. It sounds pretty good.
Speaker 4: And then I told you about this earlier. Lenovo's got
Speaker 4: a think Book plus Gen sixteen laptop, mouthful of a name,
Speaker 4: but the laptop screen raises it basically rolls up inside
Speaker 4: so you can give them more vertical but in the
Speaker 4: same size. It's your normal laptop. I didn't get to
Speaker 4: actually demo it because I had to run, but like,
Speaker 4: that's the laptop changing in a great way, which we
Speaker 4: don't say that often in this tech reviewer industry that
Speaker 4: I get to play in.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, it feels kind of strange having someone
Speaker 2: who remembers stuff they like, though.
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, I'd be remiss not to bring this up.
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff I liked here isn't even like electronics, Like, well,
Speaker 1: half the stuff here is ant even electronics. It's like
Speaker 1: the consumer product show. But there was this one company
Speaker 1: they were the most popular booth at this event last
Speaker 1: night that was selling like little metal strips that you
Speaker 1: are advertising, little metal strips that you put on your
Speaker 1: nose to like sleep better at night, and they work
Speaker 1: fantastically better that I like, I've got sleep apne I
Speaker 1: assume eighty percent of people that go see s of
Speaker 1: sleep apia, So I mean it was it was wild.
Speaker 1: There's like twenty people lined up and this guy was
Speaker 1: like doing his like carny thing of like gluing these
Speaker 1: two people's noses.
Speaker 2: Well, this has been such a wonderful episode. We'll start
Speaker 2: with you, Tom Tom. Where can People find You?
Speaker 1: People can find me on x dot com at the
Speaker 1: Tom Zone, or they can find me at Blue Sky
Speaker 1: at Don't Judge Me, Captured two dot Besky dot Social.
Speaker 2: He is kat Ted Jesse, where can People find You?
Speaker 3: Your Kickstarter sucks is the podcast and go off Kings'
Speaker 3: is the twitch stream. Jesse it's I think it's jessefar
Speaker 3: dot com on Blue Sky and yell the links are
Speaker 3: from there.
Speaker 4: And Henry, I write primarily for CNN Underscored, which you
Speaker 4: can open instantly just by typing in underscore dot com.
Speaker 4: I also have a newsletter and all sorts of stuff
Speaker 4: which is accessible if I'm Henry tkacy dot net. That's
Speaker 4: Henry tca s e y dot net. And also that's
Speaker 4: my luseky name too.
Speaker 2: And as we close off this blook of the episode,
Speaker 2: I just want to say something really quick before we
Speaker 2: go to an ad break. Just want to say Henry
Speaker 2: brought up daft punk. Daft Punk have not made a
Speaker 2: good album since Discovery. Human after all is dogshit. It
Speaker 2: is repeated bits, and I thought the soundtrack of Tron
Speaker 2: was kind of boring. Come at me. I'm sick of
Speaker 2: hearing about daft punk being good anytime. Recently Human after
Speaker 2: all pissed me off so much. Anyway, coming up after
Speaker 2: this ad break, we're gonna have even more wonderful people
Speaker 2: from CES. And if Doppunk is listening, try not looping,
Speaker 2: Try doing something interesting with your electronic music. You and me,
Speaker 2: doph Punk. I'm sick of it. I just counted us
Speaker 2: back in for an episode and I went three two one,
Speaker 2: and I just want to be clear to the listeners
Speaker 2: that I did two three four, I did four fingers up.
Speaker 2: My brain is coming out of my goddamn ears. I
Speaker 2: am dying, but I'm joined by amazing people. Nevertheless, ed
Speaker 2: on Gwaiso Junior is to my right, of.
Speaker 7: Course, Hello, how's everyone doing?
Speaker 2: Jesse for of course your kickstarter sucks. Hello, And we
Speaker 2: have the other one, Mike Hale from YKS, who is
Speaker 2: fresh from a tech company called Cole's Tom McKay of
Speaker 2: course from it Brow and we're back talking about CS.
Speaker 2: But ed on Giso Junior, you've been on the main
Speaker 2: the main hall, the main floor. How was how was that?
Speaker 7: I mean, no, you would you be surprised if I
Speaker 7: told you everything? Is powered by AI. Now every single thing,
Speaker 7: please elaborate. You know I refrigerators.
Speaker 2: Okay, to what ends?
Speaker 7: Well, you know you you need something that recognizes what
Speaker 7: time of day you decide to have certain types of
Speaker 7: coffee and how much of that to keep.
Speaker 2: And morning, right morning, right morning? Okay?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Freaking chica want to have it at lunch, you know?
Speaker 7: Or whoa So you know there was a legal text, right,
Speaker 7: But one that I was really interested in is this
Speaker 7: company that is saying, hey, look, the future of technology
Speaker 7: it's minimalism. We want to reconnect you with human nature.
Speaker 7: And the way that we're going to do that the
Speaker 7: way we're going to get you off your screen. We're
Speaker 7: going to give you a headset that you have to
Speaker 7: keep on for nine hours a day, and it will
Speaker 7: give you uninterrupted access to your artificial intelligence suite of
Speaker 7: arapists productivity assistance.
Speaker 2: With human is with AI. Yes, but that's.
Speaker 7: So that you can reconnect with you in nature, and
Speaker 7: it will give you notifications by calling you. It will
Speaker 7: forward you to therapists that you talk to, friends that
Speaker 7: you talk to powered by Claude almost exclusively.
Speaker 1: That sounds like something you pick up in the tutorial.
Speaker 1: Level of like BioShock.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you know, this is this is the tutorial.
Speaker 8: Is this a big company or no, they are connected
Speaker 8: with this other company. This is a this is a
Speaker 8: side venture of another company.
Speaker 2: Because it was the main hole. So the LVCC is
Speaker 2: it's remarkable because it's it's so expensive to be that,
Speaker 2: like we're talking about the economic cella. You're talking one
Speaker 2: hundred grands through the dorm show. Yeah, and it's like,
Speaker 2: so we're doing one hundred grand for this thing that
Speaker 2: is just barely conceptual. Yeah.
Speaker 7: That's also the thing, as they emphasize, most of these
Speaker 7: things do not exist yet they have demos that the
Speaker 7: demo did not work when I was there, what happened,
Speaker 7: what happened, couldn't just couldn't even hear me, couldn't connect
Speaker 7: to the internet, couldn't recognize any command whatsoever. They were like, well,
Speaker 7: you know, see, actually the thing that happened is one
Speaker 7: of our guys took the mic home, so it actually
Speaker 7: works really well.
Speaker 2: Come back with it. I have no idea that didn't
Speaker 2: swing on it. He gets nervous, you know, he's playing
Speaker 2: with it, you know.
Speaker 7: But yeah, so this idea here is uninterrupted access to
Speaker 7: an AI so that you can reconnect to your human nature,
Speaker 7: which is to talk to a bunch of assistants.
Speaker 1: Did they explain why this reconnections?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why would you? Don't you look at your screen? Okay,
Speaker 2: so you talk to your microphone though, yeah, and that's different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very different. So you're no dopamine loop. Okay, so
Speaker 2: you're looking at you you're not looking at a screen, right,
Speaker 2: but you all talking to the microphone. Are you just
Speaker 2: staring into the abyss y?
Speaker 7: No, you're just walking around daily life, just like it's
Speaker 7: just like doing something else he likes. But then he was,
Speaker 7: you know, then they also you know, admit that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: also to ask you to get on your phone a lot,
Speaker 7: you know, way ahead.
Speaker 2: Of you already on my phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a movie, except she's constantly remind you.
Speaker 7: It's like, hey, remember to go on this website of
Speaker 7: buy Gibbs. Hey, go take a picture of this. I
Speaker 7: can analyze it and put it at a search engine. Hey,
Speaker 7: go on this discord channel. Hey, you know, talk to
Speaker 7: another you know, always constant notifications to.
Speaker 2: Get back on your phone. But it's about getting off
Speaker 2: your phone, right, And that's the thing. Katie the top
Speaker 2: of the Severe Business Inside have said this last year
Speaker 2: very thing. It's like, I love my phone. It's where
Speaker 2: all my stuff is. Yeah, I like I'm on my
Speaker 2: phone because I don't know, I don't have to look
Speaker 2: at the real world. And who wants to do that.
Speaker 3: The ultimate use case for the voice activated technology, right
Speaker 3: has always been being in the car. Because we're in America.
Speaker 3: Everyone drives a car. It's the most dangerous thing to do,
Speaker 3: except for to try to put your drink on a
Speaker 3: side table.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jesse, I'm bost on my fucking podcast, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I just I just a party foul and it went
Speaker 2: out and it went down like perfectly as well. So
Speaker 2: it's like a really like it's a real.
Speaker 1: Splute classic cartoon spill.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well, it's really not your fault because the
Speaker 3: side table has a slight rate.
Speaker 9: It's like a there's a slight raised area in the
Speaker 9: middle of the side table.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm like, I like have a knife
Speaker 2: out and I'm just pointing to. When you think about it,
Speaker 2: it's the table's fault. Yeah, the table that Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: We're all met at the table obviously.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, Okay, that's why you should have picked
Speaker 7: up a Semen smart table from.
Speaker 2: A smart table. Did I wish that was real? I
Speaker 2: wish there was a smart table a few years ago.
Speaker 2: It was just a table the vessel table of course.
Speaker 2: Thank you the beautiful ball tend to Phil brought and
Speaker 2: I say it to clean up my mess? May I
Speaker 2: have another place? I'm drinking something over the Laha, which
Speaker 2: is Phill's Black Blood of the Earth with some vodka
Speaker 2: and Irish cream. Thank you Phil. Anyway, what were we
Speaker 2: talking about, ed so?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And the name of the thing is it's
Speaker 7: Italian for human nature. I'm forgetting this human nature natural
Speaker 7: Jesus Christ. Do you see what else? What else was it?
Speaker 2: I feel like finding out my coming home and finding
Speaker 2: my kid is fucked up a bunch of shit, Like
Speaker 2: like what else did you see that? I mean?
Speaker 7: That was that was the one that pulled me in
Speaker 7: because they had a giant banner that said AI people
Speaker 7: underneath above it. Oh good, And I was like, oh okay,
Speaker 7: so you know, I walked up and it's like, well,
Speaker 7: where are the AI people? And then it's like, you know,
Speaker 7: they have five or they have five phones on a
Speaker 7: table and then another five us were some iPads and
Speaker 7: then like they're in here and you.
Speaker 2: Just put this on and they talk to you, but
Speaker 2: they don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is something I noticed that all the AI
Speaker 1: like this year seems to be marketed is like AI
Speaker 1: for people, Like like they're like because it's finally reaching
Speaker 1: a point where they're trying to create It feels like
Speaker 1: they're trying to create the market for AI stuff by
Speaker 1: forcing it on people. Yes, and in doing so they
Speaker 1: kind of have to reassure them that this is not like.
Speaker 2: You think it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, and it's like some of it's really bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny as well, because I'm really like
Speaker 2: the pig that they would sell slop to, Like I
Speaker 2: love my gizmos and dudeads and apps and such. If
Speaker 2: there was anyone to sell ship to, it's me. And
Speaker 2: it's just not fun. It's boring. Like no use case.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's there's still no use It's like a fucking
Speaker 9: whole industry built around finding the use case the technology,
Speaker 9: and it just doesn't exact the entire show I met
Speaker 9: with Coals and great cases for AI like if you
Speaker 9: if you want say like a you know a larger
Speaker 9: than normal type of hoodie sweater and they might not
Speaker 9: have it. But you speak to an AI agent and
Speaker 9: it will tell you to breathe.
Speaker 2: I did walk over to important. I walked over to
Speaker 2: a booth earlier that said AI agent. And this is
Speaker 2: kind of me being a dickhead, but I spent what
Speaker 2: kind of agent? Because uh, I'm like, oh, good, so
Speaker 2: what model chat GPT? And like, great, so how is
Speaker 2: this agentic? He goes I you talk to him like
Speaker 2: that just sounds like chat GPT because yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: an agent. I'm like, how he just looks at me terrified.
Speaker 9: I don't understand how everybody's building these industries and businesses
Speaker 9: and stuff around GPT subscriptions. Yes, it's like you're hooked
Speaker 9: into like the chagp api and you're building a business
Speaker 9: on top of that.
Speaker 2: How.
Speaker 9: I don't understand how.
Speaker 2: And then the magic a venture.
Speaker 1: I mean, I forget uh what economists I wrote about
Speaker 1: for uh that said this, But it was like the
Speaker 1: idea that like AI is almost now like a tax
Speaker 1: on on like the rest of the tech industry, Like
Speaker 1: it's like a software tax where you need to pay
Speaker 1: to have it in your product because everybody else does,
Speaker 1: and all it really does is is suck money out
Speaker 1: of you know, everything else.
Speaker 2: And it's great though, So I'm going to assume you
Speaker 2: saw nothing useful, Like.
Speaker 7: It's actually really funny because I was walking towards something
Speaker 7: that's an AI agent, kind of like the Promised Land
Speaker 7: when you hit me up and you said come back.
Speaker 9: Did you guys see the toaster where you can print
Speaker 9: uh photos of your loved ones.
Speaker 2: On pieces that is actually real? Did you really see that?
Speaker 7: We've actually yeah, you got me.
Speaker 2: It's in the menu. You remember that we're gonna do
Speaker 2: a few miracle Yeah, we're building up to the final
Speaker 2: episode where I'm going to do something called the menu.
Speaker 2: Hope everyone joins men lock the doors.
Speaker 7: I think also the thing with the sunnatural Omana, whatever
Speaker 7: the hell you know? The Italian name is similar to
Speaker 7: your point about making markets. I feel like this one
Speaker 7: is trying because they are like, the end goal is
Speaker 7: to be able to make it connect to apps for you,
Speaker 7: so you could go to your mom's house, you could
Speaker 7: order movies or order in and it's like okay. So
Speaker 7: I feel like they're trying to pretend as if or
Speaker 7: they're trying to train people into accepting the discoppointment that
Speaker 7: comes with insisting agents or around the corners exactly.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, so AI agents are meant to be
Speaker 2: these autonomous things and then never are.
Speaker 7: But that's what we talked about that other episode. They're not,
Speaker 7: but they keep misnaming things or presenting bullshit. So then
Speaker 7: you know, I think this is part of the training
Speaker 7: process where it's like, Okay, get with.
Speaker 2: The training customers.
Speaker 1: Like it feels like they're basically just like prepping people
Speaker 1: to have Netflix scream at either.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a this is a this
Speaker 7: is pedantic, but like, this is the thing that really
Speaker 7: drives me nuts.
Speaker 3: Is is, like you were saying, training people to expect
Speaker 3: certain things or to hear words and actually imagine something else,
Speaker 3: Like algorithm is something that now means a bunch of
Speaker 3: different things, where it's like now people like people who
Speaker 3: I think for the most part share our mindset sort
Speaker 3: of a skeptical mindset towards tech and and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. When we hear the word algorithm, like
Speaker 3: our back gets up immediately because we think, oh, that's bad.
Speaker 3: But it's like algorithm is not even bad. It's just
Speaker 3: it's like a thought process and everything you like saying database, yeah, yeah, right, exactly,
Speaker 3: everything has an algorithm in it. You're using an algorithm
Speaker 3: when you make a decision. But now it's become it's
Speaker 3: got this text stink grafted on to it, and now
Speaker 3: we have to turn away. So eventually we'll go away
Speaker 3: from AI, right, and it'll be like there's no algorithms
Speaker 3: in this at all, And it's like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 3: how's that possible?
Speaker 2: It's smart. Well, It's what I like about that is
Speaker 2: it's also describing a bunch of things that are not problems. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like no one is like, oh I had to go
Speaker 2: if it's my fucking mom's house and not to another
Speaker 2: movie that took I was like, oh fuck it, that
Speaker 2: took me several seconds, Like that is a solved problem.
Speaker 2: I'm not none of the things they've just gotten. Well,
Speaker 2: how are you going to order dinner? I don't know,
Speaker 2: I've never done that before.
Speaker 1: Also, the idea that like if you and your spouse,
Speaker 1: like let's say you and your spouse like take a
Speaker 1: long time to set on a movie, that a robot
Speaker 1: like interjecting in the middle of the conversation. It's gonna
Speaker 1: speed this up.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of one of my favorite click hole pieces.
Speaker 2: Which of my garbage sons are you? And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we named one of our sons Launce and Blake. And
Speaker 2: the reason they did that was because they picked two
Speaker 2: names they didn't like and named that for one son,
Speaker 2: which I think is kind of addicative of the Consumer
Speaker 2: Electronics show entirely. It's like, we can't come up with
Speaker 2: a good idea, so we chose five bad ones. So
Speaker 2: what anything else you see over there?
Speaker 7: I saw something where they were scanning your face to
Speaker 7: present what your internal health looked like as an interactive
Speaker 7: city where organs, what your organs, they interacted with each
Speaker 7: other were depicted on the screen as if they were a.
Speaker 1: Little cells walking around us.
Speaker 3: No, it's literally just a city my doctor has been
Speaker 3: wanting me to do, telling me it's like.
Speaker 7: Hey, that abandoned part of town, you gotta get that
Speaker 7: checked out.
Speaker 2: Red. You're in a red state, just like your legs
Speaker 2: just fucking fallen off. Deliver and it explained they say,
Speaker 2: in a red state. I'm not saying I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it's a problem other than the fact that the governance
Speaker 2: might not be so big on the social services. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we actually get vouchers for those, so it's not I
Speaker 2: mean I get I get mine from every.
Speaker 7: Time she asked to scan my face that I just
Speaker 7: felt like I was being asked to put my skull
Speaker 7: up to a measuring device.
Speaker 10: It was just sit away from me.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say that it scanned,
Speaker 2: and it just went no no.
Speaker 7: Every time it's like please, no, no, no, just an
Speaker 7: oh wow, you know, would you step to the side.
Speaker 7: You mentioned the waight here? Yeah, but what else?
Speaker 2: Come on? There must be a thing I.
Speaker 7: You know, I spent some time trying to look at
Speaker 7: There's a lot of virtual twin digital twin stuff in
Speaker 7: manufacturing and optimizing industrial operations, and this health system was,
Speaker 7: uh was offshoot of this virtual twin thing where you know,
Speaker 7: there were there were two or three boots set up
Speaker 7: new to each other. Their idea is, if we can
Speaker 7: scan you rea set up your virtual twin, you can
Speaker 7: tweak with it, you can experiment with it. We'll give
Speaker 7: you more insight into you. There were AI medical assistance
Speaker 7: and AI caregivers kind of extending off what we were
Speaker 7: talking about the other day, where it's like we are
Speaker 7: going to give you very colorful, detailed and graphically designed
Speaker 7: data and convince you to data. You know a lot
Speaker 7: of it. It seemed to be basic metabolic.
Speaker 2: Stuff, the stuff you could get likely already have.
Speaker 7: Yes, right, but if you buy into you know, this
Speaker 7: product or this application, buy into the ecosystem again, then
Speaker 7: you'll be able to gain more insight into your your
Speaker 7: stress or into concerning health.
Speaker 2: Next time you see one of these companies, can you
Speaker 2: just ask a very simple question, what am I meant
Speaker 2: to do with all this data? Be healthy? Okay?
Speaker 1: It metabolic health by scanning your nose?
Speaker 2: These ones are different, these ones? Yeah that no, not
Speaker 2: that that's insane, that would never happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, isn't that basically phrenology?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 7: In fact, I mean you know, yesterday I saw calipers
Speaker 7: that was like, well, we are not a medical device,
Speaker 7: but if you let us scan your skin, not if
Speaker 7: you're black, because we don't have the technology for that.
Speaker 7: But if you let us scan your skin, we can
Speaker 7: tell what your blood sugar is, we can tell what
Speaker 7: a host of other you know, metabolic indices are for you,
Speaker 7: and we can determine what you stress is. You know,
Speaker 7: whether you are eating correctly. What you need to do
Speaker 7: to reind it back in?
Speaker 3: Well, this is that's so sorry, that's what you said
Speaker 3: is a huge problem. I mean that's like that's.
Speaker 1: Currently does not support black people.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, insane. Microsoft Connect Baby, there was a connect
Speaker 2: on the floor, which I don't know if you saw.
Speaker 2: Why well, because why not? We demoed a well so
Speaker 2: this we what is that?
Speaker 7: The court one the app there was like an abic
Speaker 7: court thing where you like could ball ball up with
Speaker 7: some people in we sports.
Speaker 3: It wasn't it actually wasn't that good. So I thought,
Speaker 3: as an outsider, I always thought.
Speaker 9: See a snowboard game and it tests your depression levels.
Speaker 2: We've never had readings this high before. Your score is wellness,
Speaker 2: we are calling your mother.
Speaker 3: It was so it's just a big TV or well
Speaker 3: it was a big gaming monitor, so already we're I thought.
Speaker 3: Ce S was like, this is where the newest, biggest
Speaker 3: TVs are, And that's true. I don't know where they are,
Speaker 3: but they're probably somewhere I see. I mean they're in
Speaker 3: the Las Vegas Convention cent Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there were some big us.
Speaker 2: There's DV.
Speaker 3: So this instead of being a TV, this was an
Speaker 3: eighty five inch gaming monitor. Okay, yeah, yeah, like crazy
Speaker 3: positive reaction to what I assumed was basically an impossible
Speaker 3: thing to use, because even like a forty inch TV
Speaker 3: in front of your face on the desk is like crazy.
Speaker 2: Ye yeah, this is not a desktop. This is like
Speaker 2: but why was sorry?
Speaker 1: I use a fifty inch screens like you are and
Speaker 1: a half in front of my BA you are crazed.
Speaker 1: I have to have to have windows at like one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty percent zoom.
Speaker 2: My ex videos corner.
Speaker 3: Tom is laying down on the floor dangling over it.
Speaker 3: So it's really huge for a monitor. But also, if
Speaker 3: you want an eighty five inch thing, just get a TV.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna play console stuff on it, just get
Speaker 3: a TV. You don't need the super high refresh rate.
Speaker 3: And it's five K, it's not eight K. If you're
Speaker 3: gonna do something stupid, make it eight K. It makes
Speaker 3: no sense. Anyways. They seem like perfectly nice people, but
Speaker 3: it's a five K eighty five inch monitor and they
Speaker 3: had to demo it. They had like these little skis
Speaker 3: on the ground that I stepped on to dutifully, and
Speaker 3: I played an Xbox Connect game modded to run off
Speaker 3: of like a little Tashiba laptop that was plugged. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a fucking little first of all, it was my
Speaker 3: guy kept getting messed up because they put the wood
Speaker 3: on the on the ski slopes, which is like, why
Speaker 3: would there be wood on those downslope?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: This is a really high on the depression score, but
Speaker 2: why would you have that? Can we talk about the
Speaker 2: thing though, like, so, so you were bad at the
Speaker 2: ski game, we've established that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's like that's what he said, that
Speaker 3: saying it's the worst debated narrative.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe it, but it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the demo, this gaming monitor, but using
Speaker 3: technology that's like fifteen years old.
Speaker 2: Didn't they just play an xpokes game?
Speaker 1: I don't know in the same uh kind of area.
Speaker 9: There was like a I tried on like an eyeglass
Speaker 9: thing or whatever, and it was like an Android app
Speaker 9: or something that was like nine by sixteen on like
Speaker 9: a display, and it was very it was cropped vertically
Speaker 9: and stuff.
Speaker 1: It looked very bad.
Speaker 2: But it was just like, you know.
Speaker 3: It's to Ed's point, why would you Okay, you're going
Speaker 3: to spend a ton of money, and it's a slush
Speaker 3: fund for the executive. Is okay, that's fine, have a
Speaker 3: good time or whatever. Why would it not be like,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't it not be like a finished product at
Speaker 3: any point in the thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. It feels like, just so, if
Speaker 2: you're demo ing a monitor, why not get something that
Speaker 2: looks good in this start to play?
Speaker 7: I think one thing I've been realizing and I didn't
Speaker 7: actually realize, is the case most of these things do
Speaker 7: not seem to be finished, and everyone's fine with that.
Speaker 7: I would have I actually like would look. I loved
Speaker 7: standing next to people and listening to them as they
Speaker 7: dealt with a fully unfinished product and be like.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean, it feels like a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff is like ostensibly supposed to be a preview
Speaker 1: of what's coming, but the what's coming depends on whether
Speaker 1: anybody pays attention to their booth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just pardon me for interrupting here on
Speaker 2: my podcast. I was looking through my pictures of things
Speaker 2: that had taken pictures of today, otherwise known as the
Speaker 2: photos app on my phone, and I found this thing
Speaker 2: called Alisa, Your Choice, Your Companion, and just showing everyone.
Speaker 2: It appears to be like some sort of horrifying metal
Speaker 2: face you put you and has some sort of AI companion.
Speaker 2: But I didn't read any of the highlighted characteristics, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, is what it says, and you go.
Speaker 2: It's a speaks your way, instantly, mimics and plays any
Speaker 2: voice you love, big promise, expressive and natural, sinks facial
Speaker 2: expressions perfectly with her speech and based on this image,
Speaker 2: No it does not. I want to fuck her.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I already predict a primary market.
Speaker 2: Well, Jesse, you're about to regret saying that behaves different personalities. Yes,
Speaker 2: it behaves different personalities.
Speaker 3: There is a surprise from the back of attention to
Speaker 3: detail on stuff that's written.
Speaker 2: Well, there is some detail you wouldn't love, from a
Speaker 2: playful lolly to a confident bus lady, confident boss lady.
Speaker 2: I could see myself. Yeah, well, the lollipid much smart
Speaker 2: with a memory powered by advanced day I that remembers
Speaker 2: and adapts more customized service in replaceable silicon facial masks.
Speaker 3: You just got like a Oh, so it's a physical
Speaker 3: mass too, Yeah, but wait, is this just like a
Speaker 3: head that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm showing back Sophia and we're bringing back.
Speaker 2: And this is tring your back body heart. So for
Speaker 2: people who are at C yes, I think you mentioned
Speaker 2: this before. The best ship you can find is on
Speaker 2: the fringes. You need to go to the back. You
Speaker 2: need to go to back and find the guy who's
Speaker 2: like Wooden Lamp, Like, the only honest guy at CS
Speaker 2: is the guy with And there was one there was
Speaker 2: one that just said Felix is hot. That's true, it
Speaker 2: is true. And I also love the names that power cube,
Speaker 2: semi ink, potential convergence smart Oh I need that.
Speaker 1: I need that.
Speaker 2: And there's a whole Kurzakhstan thing. Empower your innovations with
Speaker 2: like active polymers. Actually that sounds real. Manage your neck,
Speaker 2: shoulders and back through acupressure, massage and moxibustin. I fucking
Speaker 2: every time I walk around the show, I just see
Speaker 2: ship and I'm like, what do you did? You?
Speaker 1: Did you see the portable air conditioner you wear around
Speaker 1: your neck?
Speaker 2: It just like otherwise known as a fan.
Speaker 1: Last air at your ears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fan, we have those.
Speaker 1: But you you wear a fan around your neck? Huh? Yes?
Speaker 7: Hey, a fan is not gonna give you tenonitis.
Speaker 2: So I don't I have that already. I have that.
Speaker 2: I've had that since I was a child. Every moment
Speaker 2: is pain for me. So that's why we hit them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so within this AI stuff, did you find the same
Speaker 2: thing as me, where it's just no one really knows
Speaker 2: what they're talking about, and when you ask them questions,
Speaker 2: they go chat GPT and if you ask them another question,
Speaker 2: they start having a panic attack or it.
Speaker 7: Seems a little frustration with asking why like the AI,
Speaker 7: And I'm like, well, it's because, like I'm trying to
Speaker 7: figure out if your it's generative bullshit or if it's
Speaker 7: an actual thing underneath.
Speaker 1: And when I'm talking to like industry experts, like analysts
Speaker 1: or like people that like are like has like trade
Speaker 1: associations and stuff, I get the strong sense that it's
Speaker 1: frustrating for them too, because they're being asked to weigh
Speaker 1: in on this market that's so nebulous and like and
Speaker 1: like it's impossible to tell whether any of this is
Speaker 1: actually going to pay off.
Speaker 2: Like it's just insane to me. We're like I was
Speaker 2: into this shit, Like my soul is being ripped away.
Speaker 3: There's something for that. If you go to the convention
Speaker 3: centers for they put the soul back into you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually you should.
Speaker 7: You should check out the demo for this human nature
Speaker 7: thing I was talking about. You know, you can talk
Speaker 7: to Athena, which is like the the wellness uh a
Speaker 7: ip boons a terrible.
Speaker 1: I like this. I like the soul cube idea. The
Speaker 1: thing that CS hasn't really gotten into yet is like
Speaker 1: crystals and energies. We need to bring that.
Speaker 2: I actually wonder how far you could go just making
Speaker 2: up ship.
Speaker 9: Get credits for how clean your soul is credit.
Speaker 1: Social yeah, soul based social credit system.
Speaker 2: I just think that I think that that's what pisses
Speaker 2: me off. This obviously some quasi fraulture that thing. Where
Speaker 2: is the real fraud? Where are the people? It's just like, yep,
Speaker 2: it's the soul cube.
Speaker 9: Do you ever see those guys who make those devices
Speaker 9: that are like like just measurers for like various body
Speaker 9: ship It's like this the pseudo.
Speaker 2: Science right right right yeah, yeah, and they still.
Speaker 9: Like the e meters or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, why aren't they here?
Speaker 3: I actually get scientif booth or yeah, ghost hunting technology
Speaker 3: like your whole.
Speaker 1: Ghost's Probably they'll insist that CS is haunted.
Speaker 2: Y honestly, I want to do that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the product demo fails are like. Actually,
Speaker 1: this is a good thing.
Speaker 7: The ghost is telling me you should invest forty million dollars.
Speaker 2: It's never done that. Yeah, Tam Tom, give me your
Speaker 2: phone right now. The ghost needs to see your idea,
Speaker 2: what's your what's yours?
Speaker 1: The ghost wants to scan your badge, shut your email address. Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's the thing, Like, I don't mind if
Speaker 2: someone's just obviously scamming, Like, yeah, I'm a ghostbuster. I'm
Speaker 2: a ghostbuster. I'm with the ghostbusters and that's what I
Speaker 2: do here at CES. We spend one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in ghostbusting and if it breaks, you just go,
Speaker 2: you kind of ghost that's what you need us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in reality, the real the really answer.
Speaker 3: I think maybe you knowing more about this than me.
Speaker 3: Probably somebody knows more than I do about something, although
Speaker 3: it's hard to imagine. I feel like the the reason
Speaker 3: that there's not like the level one gimmick grift guy
Speaker 3: on the floor is because, like with everything else, there's
Speaker 3: so many levels of detachment. Like you have a problem
Speaker 3: and you want to call somebody and yell at them
Speaker 3: about it or get it fixed, I guess if you want,
Speaker 3: But you can't because the person you talk to is
Speaker 3: not empowered to do anything for you.
Speaker 2: And that's on purpose.
Speaker 3: And now there's an extra layer of AI stuck in
Speaker 3: between you and even that person. But the people who
Speaker 3: show up on the floor, just like when you ask
Speaker 3: what is this chat GPT, that's literally all they know
Speaker 3: because the guy who makes the decision is so far away.
Speaker 2: And so it does not work. It doesn't work either, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I think actually what I'm gonna stop doing is
Speaker 2: anytime I see AI, now I'm just going to replace
Speaker 2: the word with ghost. Yeah, okay, ghost, just like oh
Speaker 2: we have ghosts the machine. I might actually just stop
Speaker 2: peaking asking people about it, and I'll be like, is
Speaker 2: chech ghost? What's the ghost to? Just like that's chet GPT? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ghost? The spirit? How do you get the spirit out? What?
Speaker 1: Why would you want to spirit out? The spirit does
Speaker 1: all the thinking for you.
Speaker 2: Just walk over. I'm very haunted. How are you gonna help?
Speaker 2: I generally don't do bits with any of the people
Speaker 2: here because just to be clear, the reason that no
Speaker 2: one should and some listeners have brought this up like oh,
Speaker 2: you should go and like yell at them. The poor
Speaker 2: fuckers who are on the floor. These are PR people,
Speaker 2: sometimes external PR people, or they're just like a marketing
Speaker 2: person who, to Jesse's point, is not empowered to answer
Speaker 2: a real question, and they have to deal with everyone
Speaker 2: at CS, and fifty percent of the people at CS
Speaker 2: are trying to make partnerships with other people that can't
Speaker 2: tell you what their products do. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: these and I admit, with the the company that claimed
Speaker 2: to like be a new hope for autism and dyslexia,
Speaker 2: I got a little heated, which is why I walked away.
Speaker 2: And do you want here for this? They claimed that
Speaker 2: they're smart glasses would help both dyslexia and autism, and
Speaker 2: my experience with that is that's bullshit. But it's yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a reason that you can't really put the boots
Speaker 2: these people, And I actually think it's deliberate. They want
Speaker 2: to put a layer of abstraction between them and the
Speaker 2: responsibility for their thing actually doing anything. So they've got
Speaker 2: a fucking marketing person and these people are there, and
Speaker 2: they're working like ten hour days doing like just standing
Speaker 2: there and if it's a bad show, you're just standing alone. Well,
Speaker 2: the marketers are the real heroes, aren't they, don't you
Speaker 2: find ye?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Basically troops.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what.
Speaker 2: Except they drops more dangerous right than the troops. Okay,
Speaker 2: as we trundle towards the end. Edward Graso Junior. Where
Speaker 2: can people find you?
Speaker 7: You can find me on Twitter and blue Sky, Big
Speaker 7: Black Jacobin. You can find me my newsletter The Tech
Speaker 7: Bubble dot substack dot com, and my podcast dis Mission
Speaker 7: Kills where we talk about tech.
Speaker 2: Jesse Ferrah, Michael Hale. Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: Mike and myself host You're a Kickstarter Sucks and Mike,
Speaker 3: did we get the custom domain on blue Sky your
Speaker 3: kickstarter sucks dot com?
Speaker 1: I believe we did.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: You can also find me at calls dot com, slash about,
Speaker 9: slash people dot html.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 3: I think Coles took on the about page because of
Speaker 3: the stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna they don't want people to find you,
Speaker 2: Just be clear. Michael's name is commonly dog Boner, Tom
Speaker 2: Where can people find You?
Speaker 1: You can find me at ibrew dot com or on
Speaker 1: Twitter at twitter dot com, slash the Tom zone, or
Speaker 1: on blue Sky at captured two dot beskuy dot social.
Speaker 1: That's embarrassing, enjoyed the blue guy and was like posting
Speaker 1: about how there's a scammer about like warning his people
Speaker 1: before immediately getting banned.
Speaker 2: And as the listeners know, I am your cult leader
Speaker 2: and you can find me. If there's an ad xetron,
Speaker 2: it's probably me, unless it isn't. And if you choose
Speaker 2: the wrong one, well that means you're not chosen. But
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Speaker 2: and you steal thinks some cars and new Conn people
Speaker 2: and you're walking around the street thinking where's my next victim, Well, well,
Speaker 2: I extract value from the well when you get your
Speaker 2: ill gotten gains, the next ads will probably be for
Speaker 2: something you can spend them on. Ideally, you want to
Speaker 2: operate in cash. If the's a digital you need a
Speaker 2: prepaid debit card, email me at was it Tom dot
Speaker 2: McKay no, sorry ed at East No, No, just a
Speaker 2: Google crime and that's where you find my email. And
Speaker 2: we're back and I assume you have bought or downloaded
Speaker 2: whatever it was. They just said if you didn't, that's
Speaker 2: a real personal insult to me, and you know, you
Speaker 2: know how I feel about that. So we've had a
Speaker 2: slight rotation. To my right is Tom McKay of it
Speaker 2: Brew of course.
Speaker 1: Eh, how's it going?
Speaker 2: And actually over across from me is Max Journey of Reuters. Hello, Internet,
Speaker 2: and thank you. I'm glad someone respects the computer. And
Speaker 2: Jesse fer Our of your Kickstarter sucks. Of course he's back.
Speaker 2: Well now I'll be on the left. He's on the
Speaker 2: left as he has not been. No, okay, come on,
Speaker 2: come on, whoa. So Max, I'm actually really excited to
Speaker 2: have you here because we've spent like several hours just
Speaker 2: like dunking on this. They're just like making fun of
Speaker 2: stuff and being annoyed at stuff. But you you are
Speaker 2: here covering chips and silicon and such. What have you seen?
Speaker 2: What has Nvidia done? Actually that's a great point. What's
Speaker 2: Nvidia come at this trip? Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 12: I mean they've unveiled a few new things in terms
Speaker 12: of silicon. Specifically, they launched a computer called Digits, which
Speaker 12: is essentially one of their supercomputers compressed in some in
Speaker 12: something even smaller than Mac Minnie.
Speaker 2: And that's like the three thousand dollars one, right.
Speaker 12: That's the three thousand dollars one, Yeah, exactly, And so
Speaker 12: that that was kind of an interesting thing there. There
Speaker 12: have been we've reported that they're going to make PC
Speaker 12: chips themselves. So this is potentially on the road to
Speaker 12: producing some kind of laptop or our desktop PC trip themselves.
Speaker 2: So when you say, what is this machine for? This
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars in video compute, because I've seen a
Speaker 2: ton of coverage but no one will actually tell me
Speaker 2: what it's for.
Speaker 12: Well, it looks like mostly it's for researchers and people
Speaker 12: that want to do experiments with AI or code with AI,
Speaker 12: or essentially just do things that require giant computers sort
Speaker 12: of on a smaller on a small scale.
Speaker 2: So is it generative AI focused or well, I mean.
Speaker 12: Of course you can run generative AI apps with it,
Speaker 12: but they they've sort of pitched it as something that
Speaker 12: that was geared for researchers and develop testing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the way it's being reported is by other
Speaker 2: people is that it's some sort of replacement for the
Speaker 2: large scale GPUs that are being used for like inference
Speaker 2: for so, inference being the thing when you make a
Speaker 2: request from chat GPT for example, and it generates NONSA.
Speaker 2: So it's not really for that. That's not the business
Speaker 2: use case.
Speaker 12: It didn't look like it to me. It looked like,
Speaker 12: I mean, maybe you can run of course, I'm sure
Speaker 12: you could probably run out on it, but of course,
Speaker 12: but it looks like it's set up design for you know,
Speaker 12: somebody who wants a computer in their office or I
Speaker 12: don't know, at their university or whatever, just given the
Speaker 12: price point. And you know, the setup it showed was
Speaker 12: with a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse, and
Speaker 12: so it's it's definitely like a it's like a personal computer.
Speaker 2: Effectively. It runs Linux.
Speaker 12: So that also means it's probably not a consumer machine,
Speaker 12: right because most consumers are not gonna are not willing
Speaker 12: to learn how to use Linux or won't do it
Speaker 12: or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it should be able to run like eleven Chrome
Speaker 2: tabs on it. So so I hate to do this,
Speaker 2: Maxie mind turning a microphone just slightly. We've had a
Speaker 2: late entrant. We've had we have the wonderful Matt Benda
Speaker 2: who made his way up here. Thank you man, Matt,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me.
Speaker 10: Yet it's finally we met you.
Speaker 2: Matt Bender and I have been on this podcast like
Speaker 2: three or four times of course scam Economy.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, and we've never met him, he's.
Speaker 2: Never met in personal and now we have he's on
Speaker 2: my podcast. So Max, back to back to you for
Speaker 2: a question. So what else was announced in general with
Speaker 2: Silicon on this with the hardware in general?
Speaker 12: Absolutely, I mean the as always with the big chip makers,
Speaker 12: they announce new PC usually Gaming Stuff and Video announced
Speaker 12: a bunch of new new line of gaming chips, the
Speaker 12: RTX fifty series. They're claiming the low end on that
Speaker 12: series is able to deliver performance that's capable of what
Speaker 12: the high end of the current RTX series really So yeah,
Speaker 12: they use a technique called d LSS, which is just
Speaker 12: a fancy way of saying they use AI to predict
Speaker 12: what the next frame in the game is going to
Speaker 12: look like. At the moment they're rendering two frames at once.
Speaker 12: This one can render four frames it once. But it's
Speaker 12: on the hardware side, not on the hardware side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all This is all hardware. And this
Speaker 2: is differentiated from when you say I AI. This is
Speaker 2: separate to generative AI this. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 2: it works, right, just because the DLSS has been around
Speaker 2: for longer than the current boom though, yeah oh yeah
Speaker 2: yeah ds D LSS has been around for I don't know,
Speaker 2: four or five years. I want to say, but don't
Speaker 2: on that on that particul we don't know things say
Speaker 2: don't worry, but okay, let's move you up to Matt Binder.
Speaker 2: Of course, Matt, what have you seen so far? What
Speaker 2: have you been cursed with on this eternal trip?
Speaker 11: I've been covering a lot of like weird stuff, and
Speaker 11: I do a lot of AR glasses And how are those?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 11: I have yet to find one that I could actually
Speaker 11: what it would actually use. Like, sure, you put them
Speaker 11: on and they're cool to like see because some of
Speaker 11: them have different ways of doing things, but like there
Speaker 11: was one for example that like there's there's no lens
Speaker 11: and usually the the it's the holiday.
Speaker 2: Glasses, and usually holiday glass holidays.
Speaker 11: So there are basically aar glasses where the mean holiday
Speaker 11: like a name holiday.
Speaker 2: Yes that's what I'm just British, that's my problem.
Speaker 11: Yes, uh so basically the AR part isn't built into
Speaker 11: the lens, It's built into the rim. Okay, so it's
Speaker 11: a little like, uh a circular screen where basically put
Speaker 11: the glasses on and your eye is meant to look
Speaker 11: at the circular screen.
Speaker 10: Above the lens.
Speaker 2: That's where generally look.
Speaker 11: Yeah, of course, and I I couldn't use it without
Speaker 11: going cross eyed.
Speaker 10: I immediately was.
Speaker 2: Going say, I love the experience of being heard by things.
Speaker 11: Right right, So, I mean the idea is interesting, but
Speaker 11: you know, I think for me, though, the thing at
Speaker 11: CES is always what's not here anymore?
Speaker 2: How do you mean?
Speaker 11: Like what like like you can see where the tech
Speaker 11: industry thinks it's going based on what has just disappeared
Speaker 11: from the previous years, like what buzzwords? Are companies staying
Speaker 11: away from that they used to proudly say they were back,
Speaker 11: you know, last year or the year before, like what
Speaker 11: Like I came here two years ago for the first time,
Speaker 11: and every company had to say they were doing something
Speaker 11: in the metaverse. Hell yeah, every company was a metaverse company.
Speaker 10: And this year I don't think you could even find
Speaker 10: the word.
Speaker 2: Well I did. I found a metaverse and quant to
Speaker 2: my panel that I missed a panel though is there
Speaker 2: actually any metaverse product. I don't know because I missed it,
Speaker 2: which makes the trip of failure. So did you see
Speaker 2: any thing you enjoyed? Was it mostly pain?
Speaker 11: I mean there's stuff that I've seen that worked, but
Speaker 11: I don't think i'd ever heard, like, like, the weirdest
Speaker 11: thing I saw is hands down that I don't know
Speaker 11: if you've seen it, the electric salt spoon. No, okay,
Speaker 11: it's by this Japanese company named Kiran, and it's actually
Speaker 11: available in Japan, So that's already ticking off a rarity
Speaker 11: at a ces.
Speaker 10: It's something that's actually in stores and available.
Speaker 11: So basically their goal is to let have people eat
Speaker 11: less salt, and they want to make your low sodium
Speaker 11: food taste saltier without actually adding salt. So how do
Speaker 11: they make it taste better? They send an electric current
Speaker 11: through the spoon to your tongue.
Speaker 2: So just so we're clear, Yeah, just so we're clear,
Speaker 2: thinking to disassociate life on air, it's a special spoon.
Speaker 10: It's a special spoon.
Speaker 11: Oh good, And I mean listen, it worked. Wow, Like
Speaker 11: the food did taste a bit saltier. And I know
Speaker 11: because I thought at first I thought it was like
Speaker 11: a placebo effect, like, oh, they told me it tastes saltier,
Speaker 11: so my brain now thinks it's saltier.
Speaker 10: But then I fucked up the usage.
Speaker 2: Of Merovingian shit.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but then I messed up while using it and
Speaker 11: it turned off midi soup.
Speaker 10: They provided, and then so my spoon broke right.
Speaker 11: So the soup actually did taste less saltier as I'm
Speaker 11: drinking it when the machine shut off. So I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 11: it works. But also I would never buy this one
Speaker 11: hundred and thirty dollars spoon.
Speaker 1: Wetter My spoon's uncharged.
Speaker 2: But actually, yeah, so did they have a battery?
Speaker 10: It was like, yeah, it was a battery powered spoon. Yeah,
Speaker 10: so assuming.
Speaker 2: You have multiple people eating in your house.
Speaker 11: Right, So the spoon handle and the the actual ladle
Speaker 11: or whatever you'd call it, they're separate parts, so you
Speaker 11: can replace.
Speaker 2: Oh good, I love my spoon to be multi multiple parts.
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, safely, only two, though they could have went
Speaker 11: really crazy with.
Speaker 2: It, so you'd need like these Was it actually one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty dollars?
Speaker 11: I believe it was like one hundred in Japan, though
Speaker 11: they're not stunging in the us yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah they got money though. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Uh, I mean then the to me, it's like the ideas.
Speaker 2: I find, I must find the spoon. Where's the spoon?
Speaker 10: It was at the first night the media Knight unveiled.
Speaker 10: I don't know where you're from.
Speaker 2: Me. I don't made a look at that spoons. You
Speaker 2: need to buy multiple ones of these extensively. You're right, right,
Speaker 2: some rich oss guys like, yeah, now you don't need
Speaker 2: much salt at all.
Speaker 11: I mean you could, I guess, you know, eat your
Speaker 11: food one at a time and just wash the spoon
Speaker 11: after every.
Speaker 2: Year and find a bunch of people over in bath
Speaker 2: combined with So does it work with not soup?
Speaker 11: Uh? They just had soup there to try, and I'm
Speaker 11: assuming it's got to work with things that are not
Speaker 11: too But otherwise.
Speaker 2: Well okay, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 11: I mean what if you pick up the soup but
Speaker 11: the spoon by what else you eating?
Speaker 2: Where you would reduce the salt that wasn't soup?
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of things like what but
Speaker 1: what is the thing I'm just thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like wait are you where are you adding
Speaker 2: the salt with fried rice?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good point. I don't know, And.
Speaker 2: Why are you eating with a spoon? Yeah?
Speaker 11: That's fork coded like you don't need the you don't
Speaker 11: need this one to eat ice cream, you know.
Speaker 2: So this is just a very expensive soup related technology.
Speaker 11: I mean again, Japanese company, they'd a lot of soup
Speaker 11: over there.
Speaker 9: They do.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about this spoon, and I really fit.
Speaker 2: There's always a point, a see, yes, where I begin
Speaker 2: to go insane, when I begin to just like think
Speaker 2: of the special salt spoon, and then I call my
Speaker 2: therapist and I say, I'm thinking of the spoon. Anyway,
Speaker 2: did you see anything you like? Though everyone has the
Speaker 2: same answer, it's a it's a sigh and then a
Speaker 2: space of time.
Speaker 12: Right, Well, hey, wait a second, I mean the some
Speaker 12: of the chips look pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, I mean you take a question so Matt
Speaker 2: can try and think of something he liked.
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, I don't you know, chill for
Speaker 12: any of these companies, but they you know.
Speaker 2: AMD, if you liked something, please tell us, well.
Speaker 12: AMD, intele and Nvidia did all announce new Chipsbly arguably,
Speaker 12: they all look pretty interesting for different different reasons. AMB
Speaker 12: did something pretty unique. They added this technology called unified
Speaker 12: memory to their latest gaming process or what is that?
Speaker 12: Apple did it a few years ago. It basically just
Speaker 12: makes the chip faster. It means that the memory in
Speaker 12: this and the CPU can talk to each other much
Speaker 12: more quickly, which allows uh, you know, more more speedy
Speaker 12: graphics and more speedy you know, computing power. But it
Speaker 12: is actually an interesting thing. I don't I haven't tried it.
Speaker 12: I don't know how would have any benchmarks, so I
Speaker 12: have no earthly idea how it performs in the real world.
Speaker 12: But theoretically the technology is pretty good.
Speaker 2: So as I'm speaking for the listeners that don't know
Speaker 2: stuff and myself, how does that manifest in something good?
Speaker 2: Is it just that the hardware and the software the
Speaker 2: hardware pots talk to each other.
Speaker 3: So I think I can take this one basically he's
Speaker 3: trying to say it basically, is it goes like so
Speaker 3: the chip goes into more tabs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's browser tabs. And to be clear, this is
Speaker 2: for computer.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, So if you just think about whenever
Speaker 3: you you probably have a computer at home right now.
Speaker 2: Right done, right now. But well a lot of people may.
Speaker 3: Have computers, and these chips basically can go in them,
Speaker 3: so it's from there. It's just pretty cool stuff. Actually,
Speaker 3: damn I love.
Speaker 2: Logan on Okay, Matt, anything enjoyable.
Speaker 11: I mean the TVs are cool like okay yah yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean how can you and the gaming monitors that
Speaker 11: really big curved monitors like I would never buy these
Speaker 11: things because they cost like thousands of Oh yeah, you're
Speaker 11: in journalism, right, right right? I mean one thing I like,
Speaker 11: is that coming to see? Yes, it is now clear
Speaker 11: that at least as a technology.
Speaker 10: Product, crypto is dead.
Speaker 11: There is no crulls, nothing absent completely. Now I mentioned
Speaker 11: metaverse and like you know, metaverse is just like Zilly,
Speaker 11: but like it is actually a breath of fresh air
Speaker 11: to finally see that the tech industry, at least that
Speaker 11: represented by ce S has seemed to move on, moved on.
Speaker 10: Completely from crypto blockchain.
Speaker 11: I remember two years ago, every company, whether it doesn't
Speaker 11: matter if they were like a special electronic dental floss
Speaker 11: company whatever, they all wanted to give you a free
Speaker 11: NFT if you come to their booth. There is not
Speaker 11: a single and I don't think the words n F
Speaker 11: or T or even here at CEES.
Speaker 2: If you find them, please email me easy at Better
Speaker 2: off Line dot Com. I want to find them and
Speaker 2: ask them some questions. I want to know what they're
Speaker 2: doing here, right, you know.
Speaker 11: I think people realize like this is if anything. It's
Speaker 11: like it's a financial day trading scam. It's not a
Speaker 11: tech product. But it's pretty cool though.
Speaker 2: It is really cool.
Speaker 11: Jesse, would you like to shif for crypto as the
Speaker 11: crypto ex put for the show.
Speaker 3: I think it's just kind of cool because they're like
Speaker 3: little pictures or something. So it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just think that's like I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, the tech companies have moved on from
Speaker 3: the little pictures, but it's like we're always gonna have
Speaker 3: little pictures, you know types you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like it's been forever we've had these little pictures. So
Speaker 3: I just think, like, Okay, maybe it's waned right now,
Speaker 3: but there's gonna be a time where we come back
Speaker 3: to CEES and we see the little pictures again, and
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be really cool.
Speaker 2: I think it is funny as well that like Max
Speaker 2: is probably the only person who has been at c
Speaker 2: S who has found the real stuff because like it's
Speaker 2: just because you can't really fake silicon. No you can't you.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can fake it up up until a
Speaker 2: certain point. You can.
Speaker 12: You can rag about how good it's gonna be or whatever,
Speaker 12: your what your what your startup's doing, and you can
Speaker 12: claim performance. But if at a certain point you have
Speaker 12: to send a chip to the fab and make it
Speaker 12: and if it doesn't do what you say it will,
Speaker 12: well then that's that.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that's really important. It's actually good
Speaker 2: like good education for the listeners as well, is it
Speaker 2: they give him back the microphone? Just come on, all right?
Speaker 2: But the important it's actually important like foundation people to
Speaker 2: know with a lot of these companies talking about like
Speaker 2: a six so especial chips and like oh open aiy
Speaker 2: or whomever will simply build a chip. It is not
Speaker 2: that easy, right, it is not that easy. So what
Speaker 2: is the process of a chip getting done?
Speaker 12: And you know a lot more about this than I
Speaker 12: think you're letting on. I mean, and you know what
Speaker 12: an ASIK.
Speaker 2: Is and I just don't know what it stands for, candidly,
Speaker 2: Application specific integrated circuit Thank you, whooh someone knows stuff.
Speaker 2: You're right, But you're really right.
Speaker 12: It's it's it's super complicated and expensive to make even
Speaker 12: a basic AI chip, and we're talking a couple of
Speaker 12: years from scratch, a couple of years minimum at least
Speaker 12: half a billion dollars if you're if you're lucky, another
Speaker 12: half a billion to build a hardware around it, because
Speaker 12: that's something people forget often. When you make a chip,
Speaker 12: you make the actual piece of silicon. If you look
Speaker 12: at any Nvidia product or many others, they've got a
Speaker 12: whole board around it with a bunch of other chips
Speaker 12: and other stuff, and that to make that is probably
Speaker 12: another half billion dollars. So this is these are not
Speaker 12: inexpensive ideas.
Speaker 2: And then when it comes to the actual integration and
Speaker 2: putting these into service, you have to do a bunch
Speaker 2: more cooling and actual and there is failure rate as well.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and you have to write the software on top
Speaker 12: of it. I mean the whole way, Like having the
Speaker 12: idea to make a chip is like it's a multi
Speaker 12: year and if you only make one, you've just wasted
Speaker 12: your time and money.
Speaker 2: So you have to as a company, you generally have
Speaker 2: to do multiple.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, Yeah, you want to you want a roadmap because
Speaker 12: that's the whole. I mean, if anybody that's buying AI
Speaker 12: chips for any reason, they're not buying the current generation,
Speaker 12: they're buying Gen two, Gen three and maybe.
Speaker 2: Chest thing, so they're buying ahead. Absolutely. Yeah, So I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you're here for many reasons. But I
Speaker 2: like putting this stuff down because the reason that there
Speaker 2: is like the real and the fake parts of CS
Speaker 2: is as I said, you can't really fake chips. You
Speaker 2: can be like, oh, yeah, we're doing an AI stethoscope,
Speaker 2: or we're going to claim to cure autism with VR
Speaker 2: or whatever, but you can't really be like we're going
Speaker 2: to do a chip because the actual chips people would
Speaker 2: just be like, no, you're not. There is like very
Speaker 2: clear boundaries with what you can actually do, which is
Speaker 2: what's so interesting because you have this chunk of CS
Speaker 2: was just the no bullshit zone because you really you
Speaker 2: could not be making like Nvidio pumps themselves up up
Speaker 2: and says all this stuff, but ultimately is what it does.
Speaker 12: It does have to deliver, has to exit at a
Speaker 12: certain point. I mean, people will buy them, put them
Speaker 12: in the field, try all the hardware, try the software,
Speaker 12: and the claims have to a certain point live up
Speaker 12: to there whatever they're.
Speaker 2: You know, saying. So forgive me for a very direct question,
Speaker 2: but how realistic is it for someone like Sam Oltman
Speaker 2: to build out an AI chip? Like how it's years ahead?
Speaker 12: Right, it's years ahead. I mean, it's more of a
Speaker 12: talent question than a money question. I think they're only
Speaker 12: maybe ten to twelve teams of people around the world
Speaker 12: that can build cutting edge, world class chips, and all
Speaker 12: of the people that lead those teams have jobs that
Speaker 12: they probably like or enjoy, and so you have to
Speaker 12: find the right people in order to do that. Find
Speaker 12: disgruntle people or whatever. The reason why is why they're leaving.
Speaker 12: But you have to assemble the right group of people
Speaker 12: to be able to build a chip. And even if
Speaker 12: you get the right group of people with the amount
Speaker 12: of money that you need, there's still just risks with
Speaker 12: building a chip like Well, you could think the design works,
Speaker 12: you could, for example, you could virtually verify that it works,
Speaker 12: you could test it, you could do all the computer
Speaker 12: simulations and other simulations that you want. When you send
Speaker 12: it to the fab to the factory to print, it
Speaker 12: might not come out exactly how you think it will.
Speaker 2: And that will mean it doesn't work as well, it
Speaker 2: doesn't cool as efficiently. It might not work at all.
Speaker 2: Oh it might not. Yeah, there might be. It might
Speaker 2: You can get like billions into this and like and
Speaker 2: you might not. I mean it does happen frequently with
Speaker 2: the first generation of chips. Most companies that try them
Speaker 2: for the first time, the first version will not be amazing.
Speaker 2: It'll do certain things effectively and well, but it probably
Speaker 2: won't be able to achieve you know, and Video just
Speaker 2: for example, and Videos spent twenty years, thirty years, whatever
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you know, working on its designs. So
Speaker 2: to expect that a company can come in in two
Speaker 2: years replicate the performance or whatever of you know, somebody
Speaker 2: who's been doing it for a long time, it's kind
Speaker 2: of unrealistic. So it usually takes several generations. And Video
Speaker 2: has their own software, Kuda, for making gus do stuff.
Speaker 2: It took quite a while for that to kind of scale, right.
Speaker 12: I mean they started in ninety five, I want to say, yeah,
Speaker 12: building Kuda, and they've been working on it ever since.
Speaker 12: I mean it used to be centered around their g
Speaker 12: fours graphics cards, and now it's obviously a little bigger.
Speaker 2: A little bigger.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean maybe not as big as the Electric
Speaker 12: Soup spoon, but you potentially one day, maybe they'll have
Speaker 12: that success and they can do more than just soup,
Speaker 12: that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So Matt bringing back to you.
Speaker 11: But the chips you're talking about, you can't even taste, so,
Speaker 11: I mean, come on, there are there are.
Speaker 2: There are probably chips in the spoon though, and there
Speaker 2: are chips that the salty. So anything hurt any seen
Speaker 2: on the you just saw it and upset you.
Speaker 10: Oh, I thought you meant physically like.
Speaker 2: I mean just walking Its pre rough, mate. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie I'm in pain, but.
Speaker 10: Geez, I need a second. I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: Anything just upsetting or annoying.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it does.
Speaker 11: It does pain me to see the AI integration and everything,
Speaker 11: like I don't need AI to be like the most
Speaker 11: random things like I was actually surprised that the spoon
Speaker 11: didn't say claim AI integration or anything, you know, uh,
Speaker 11: the smart glasses. I mean, I guess I could see
Speaker 11: with the glasses like the AI integration for like translations
Speaker 11: is a use case if you're someone who would wear
Speaker 11: AR glasses to begin with. But I mean, do you
Speaker 11: really need like generative AI and things like that, Like no, Like.
Speaker 2: I find the rape bends discussed PUDTE disgusting. I think
Speaker 2: if you're walking around looking at things and trying to
Speaker 2: work out using the computer or a pervert, like what
Speaker 2: are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 13: Like stuff too, though, are a hugetable market market many
Speaker 13: of them, many of them listen to the show, speaking
Speaker 13: of which, I think this might be the first CEES
Speaker 13: where they're the sex toy industry is here.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Wait, they weren't here before they were.
Speaker 11: There was a huge thing a year or two ago
Speaker 11: where some company applied for CES and they were told
Speaker 11: we do not this industry here and they smartly, I
Speaker 11: mean you used it to their advantage like with press,
Speaker 11: and they were like it got tons of I think
Speaker 11: on top of this, this was like a sex positive
Speaker 11: woman owned business.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, nothing wrong at all.
Speaker 11: But like that company used that to their advantage and said,
Speaker 11: like CS tells you know women owned.
Speaker 10: Sex Yeah yeah.
Speaker 11: And so for the first time I'm seeing these sex
Speaker 11: toy companies on the floor of CES.
Speaker 10: It's like, why not I.
Speaker 2: Feel like Vegas is something, something's economically breaking. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen the guys with the flappy cards. I didn't see
Speaker 2: the flappy guys either, back back, get back. So these
Speaker 2: guys who are I think it's stripped cups personally never.
Speaker 10: Heading out like the yeah, yeah, and I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Them for years. And that the back clapping, the back
Speaker 2: they're flipping to the clap clap. They I saw them.
Speaker 2: They put they like took a fan.
Speaker 3: It was actually it's actually kind of nice, very industri
Speaker 3: They took all the nasty little cards and they put
Speaker 3: them like on a streets sign and made a little fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that kind of cute. They have been
Speaker 2: gone for years. In fact, they're back is probably not
Speaker 2: a great sign. But I must be clear, there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with being a perverse as long as.
Speaker 3: You don't think there's something wrong with that industry, particularly
Speaker 3: that industry.
Speaker 1: I do not know about QR codes, like, right.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to scan the porno, right, But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with being horny as long as it's not
Speaker 2: anyone else it's problem. Let's go around right now. Let's
Speaker 2: just say who's horny in the room. So ed or Nope,
Speaker 2: not Tom, I love this. This is really good. Writers
Speaker 2: declines comment on this one. Okay, Matt, when you walk in,
Speaker 2: I was like, no, can we quote that? Cand I
Speaker 2: write this up and quote.
Speaker 10: On the question of horniness, Reuters declimb.
Speaker 2: No, stop it. I'm sorry. Why did I just didn't
Speaker 2: say anything for a minute, so I want to well,
Speaker 2: we didn't get mad on the record here, so.
Speaker 10: Well, I can quote Mashable here Mashable very horny.
Speaker 2: My god, so sorry. Everyone every had Robert Evans listing
Speaker 2: all the crimes I commit every every episode. Listeners were
Speaker 2: the criminals I know. And I made a joke about
Speaker 2: stealing stuff once and it's all that's in the reddit
Speaker 2: and even saying this, there's gonna be another thread and
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, oh, I did this crime. I
Speaker 2: run the reddit, baby, Okay, I'm on the top of
Speaker 2: that ship.
Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of a conflict of interest? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, well yes, but no. The reddit was created
Speaker 2: by someone called comic Con and all it was for
Speaker 2: the first month was just like the show fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: So I went in there and just argued with everyone.
Speaker 2: And now it's great. They love me because they know
Speaker 2: all fucking respond Yeah, culture of fear. Baby, So Max,
Speaker 2: how long are you here for? How how long are
Speaker 2: you you suffering with this? I'm leaving tonight.
Speaker 12: That's probably for the best, just enough time to see
Speaker 12: the silicon and get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then with the wholely levels then we don't
Speaker 2: even know what kind of silicon. I'm so sorry, Max,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sorry. But so do you like see is
Speaker 2: this your first how many of you? I've been twice now, right,
Speaker 2: So how do I feel?
Speaker 12: I mean, Vegas is a is a city that I
Speaker 12: think you just have to accept, yes, And when you
Speaker 12: do that, especially this part of Las Vegas, then then
Speaker 12: I think it's a lot more enjoyable, right personally, because
Speaker 12: like I don't visit Vegas very often, you know, so
Speaker 12: it's kind of a novelty for me. I get to
Speaker 12: go see the crazy casinos and walk around the room,
Speaker 12: see all the different people who were here and degenerates okay,
Speaker 12: most yeah, exactly most so, I mean, and it is
Speaker 12: kind of cool to see like all this technology, you know,
Speaker 12: sort of stuck into like sixteen different convention centers or
Speaker 12: whatever the number is these days, you know, but you
Speaker 12: know this is visit number two. I'm saying for two days,
Speaker 12: so I don't have the uh, you know, tenure to
Speaker 12: be able to to talk about it like I'm a
Speaker 12: twenty year veteran and some people certainly have.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I find it fascinating when people haven't got much experience
Speaker 2: how they feel. But you also deal with the real things,
Speaker 2: which is which is fun because everyone else is just
Speaker 2: going and being like, yeah, I saw an AI dil though,
Speaker 2: and I can't. They wouldn't let me use it.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you know, the PC chips and and
Speaker 12: and so on. Our are pretty exciting, but a lot
Speaker 12: of the stuff that we report on is the data
Speaker 12: center chips that power most of AI. Right now, they
Speaker 12: hear as well, no, this is this is all consumer stuff,
Speaker 12: the most I mean, the biggest thing that tends to
Speaker 12: get talked about. Now you're you know, we're talking about
Speaker 12: things that aren't discussed or weren't discussed before, Matt or
Speaker 12: are the these AI PCs. This is like one of
Speaker 12: these things that the industry has been trying to make
Speaker 12: happen for a little over a year now, and you know,
Speaker 12: supposed to start lifting PC A PC sales this year and.
Speaker 2: What these chips meant to do.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I wish I could have a
Speaker 1: good as I have the demo later today, I'll let
Speaker 1: you know I'm clear to me.
Speaker 12: I mean I think the I mean I'm saying that
Speaker 12: because I think the answer is is that this is
Speaker 12: one of those situations where if you don't build the
Speaker 12: hardware to do the thing, then nobody can make the
Speaker 12: software to do the thing right. Right, So if you
Speaker 12: if the capability doesn't exist, then nobody can code on
Speaker 12: top of it to make the cool application for whatever.
Speaker 2: AI think.
Speaker 12: Okay, I'll buy that, right, Like I mean, I mean,
Speaker 12: I have no idea if it'll succeed or not. I mean,
Speaker 12: I don't predict the future, but I think it is
Speaker 12: true with any generation of hardware, like for example, real
Speaker 12: time rate tracing that in video made a few years
Speaker 12: ago when they launched it, and real time rate tracing
Speaker 12: just makes light look better, video game graphics look better.
Speaker 2: So for when they launched it.
Speaker 12: There was like one, yeah, I don't remember how many games,
Speaker 12: but it was like a small handful, you know, very
Speaker 12: very few, and you know, it was like cool, but
Speaker 12: not widely adopted. It took until I think the video
Speaker 12: game consoles. The Xbox Series X and the PS five
Speaker 12: included the tech in their systems for it to become
Speaker 12: like very widely adopted by developers. You know, So this
Speaker 12: is I think with AIPC chips. It's like kind of similar.
Speaker 2: How long will this bubble lost? Right?
Speaker 12: I mean I would give it a few years, Like
Speaker 12: I would give it two or three years for the
Speaker 12: software software ecosystem to like actually build out. But I mean,
Speaker 12: you know, at the moment, arguably the most interesting thing
Speaker 12: that Microsoft talked about when they launched their Copilot plus
Speaker 12: program was the what is that?
Speaker 2: Historically it's their AI PC platform.
Speaker 12: The PCs that are part of it have to have
Speaker 12: a certain spec in order to run the applications. Was
Speaker 12: this thing called recall, which allowed you to look back, Oh,
Speaker 12: everyone loved that.
Speaker 2: Everybody loved that. They killed it. They're relaunching it now.
Speaker 2: But I mean, yes, you know, so yeah, I just
Speaker 2: it's but like you see, you.
Speaker 11: See this blowback even from like regular consumers, not just
Speaker 11: the disgruntled people in the room right here right now,
Speaker 11: like the five of us, but like regular consumers are
Speaker 11: not upgrading to like Windows eleven, for example, They're choosing
Speaker 11: to stick with the non AI operating system and like, listen,
Speaker 11: I don't think they are aware that they're like, oh
Speaker 11: I don't want AI for the most part. But also
Speaker 11: the AI has not been a draw for them to
Speaker 11: get them to upgrade, Like they don't care about it.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to enterprise stuff, especially like what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, like trying to sell like business like
Speaker 1: laptops with like integrated you know, I think they call
Speaker 1: them NPUs neuroprocessing unit. Is okay, all this stuff is
Speaker 1: already running in the cloud. I can't think of any
Speaker 1: other like you know, sort of like function where they
Speaker 1: offloaded it from the cloud to like your local PC. Like,
Speaker 1: what's the business value in running chat GPT on like
Speaker 1: your laptop?
Speaker 2: Actually I can actually answer that one in the sense
Speaker 2: that it will kill chat GPT, because when you realize
Speaker 2: what you can run on your laptop, you'll fuck around
Speaker 2: with it and be like, oh, this doesn't do that matter.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's all these like software as service companies that
Speaker 11: are like speak and it'll text a voice right away
Speaker 11: for you. Well, there are models that you could just
Speaker 11: run off your computer. You don't have to pay a
Speaker 11: monthly fee to do that. You could just literally download
Speaker 11: the free like language model and there you go your set.
Speaker 11: It's they don't want people to know this for real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but in a lot of cases, you
Speaker 1: can already run this stuff on afficiently powerful computer with
Speaker 1: that just has like the GPU.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, you could get right now, like a
Speaker 11: probably a two three hundred dollars M one Macminie because
Speaker 11: they're now at M four and even that's five hundred
Speaker 11: bucks and your set. You could run all this stuff
Speaker 11: right off your your silicon uh, the Macca chipset if
Speaker 11: you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just haven't seen the use cases to like
Speaker 1: justify like these, like like buying a new generation of
Speaker 1: AI PC's. It doesn't like really stand out to me
Speaker 1: as so why you would do this.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think what's really going to drive people
Speaker 12: to buy new computers is the fact that Windows ten
Speaker 12: is end of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, no, my dad has to buy a
Speaker 2: new laptop of it stops the lessons. He loves his laptop.
Speaker 2: It's like he loves this weird surface thing.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately not very funny or interesting. The fact that you know,
Speaker 12: that's the reason why people are gonnaup grade.
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Speaker 2: I need you to send me the booth numbers chat.
Speaker 1: I'm going to FaceTime your dad right now.
Speaker 2: It's ten pm in GMT. Just going for that. Okay,
Speaker 2: we've got to wrap up them. So Tom McKay, where
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Speaker 11: First of all, I'm sorry for bringing up the sex
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