WEBVTT - Control w/ Samantha Mathis 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.720 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:32.440 Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up NSVU podcast. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.280 I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.040 And I'm Lee's a Tragger coming to you live from 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:37.840 New York City. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.120 Oh, we're by coastal Babies. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.400 And even though it is in the top intro thing, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.560 we always like to explain we talk SVU, we talk crime, 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.479 we have a guest, and we really love this podcast. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.240 I like to imagine people are tuning into episode number 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.760 seventy for their first taste of this podcast, so we 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.640 always to explain what it is. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.480 Yeah, they love just this specific episode and they only 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.680 watched this one. Listen. Life is good. 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.200 I do have to update everybody and say I've fallen 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.080 twice since last week. Oh my gosh, I sprained my 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.600 ankle Friday, south by Southwestern and alley walking like fully, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.640 I felt my ankle give out, fell fell on my 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.920 knee again like like I have a mark, not big, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.280 you know, it wasn't like bleeding. And then last night 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.360 I got a little sauced whatever I'm eating pizza. I 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.720 finally got to go to Prince Street Pizza. We're all 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.960 having fun. I turn around. I didn't see there was 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.480 a ledge. Fully fell again on my knee. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:36.720 Like another huge fall. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.080 But everyone made fun of me because immediately got up 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:39.360 and goes. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.040 I fell again. I can't stop falling. I don't know 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:42.399 what it is. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:47.320 I feel it's the Kerry Bradshaw Karma episode where with 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.800 a dorm room party and she falls. I just I 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.080 don't know why I keep falling. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.360 You know, I feel as though you're cosmically connected to Rosie, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.440 and Rosie has not stopped falling in a week, like truly, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.840 you know, we have one step in our house. There 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.240 is one step in our house. It's like in the hallway. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.360 It just goes from one. It is a dumb stack, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.640 just stupid. But she's been around, she's been walking in 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.400 her whole life. Yesterday just fell doing it, you know 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.000 what I mean. Like she just keeps falling. But for her, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.799 I think it's a growth spurt. For you, I don't 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:16.919 know what the fuck is going. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.800 Well, well, she's obviously my tether is what I'm learning, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.520 and so that's why I'm falling. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:23.720 Oh my god. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.640 Yes, when you gave her a Daniel tiger sleep, Matt, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.600 you guys got tethered, and now you're she's. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:30.799 Like your voodoo doll. Baby. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.560 I can't wait for her birthday party. I know, you know, 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.360 we're trying not to do gifts. We're not doing stuffies. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.360 I might go shop in my garage. I might see 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.120 what I have been there. You know she loves knickknacks. Yeah, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.120 I think maybe I'll get her a bag of used 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.679 nick knacks, just to save the environment but keep keep 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:51.360 my girl happy. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.440 Well, well, I was gonna. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.680 Try to make your husband mad and get her temporary tattoos. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.639 But you said she doesn't like it. Well no, yeah, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:58.400 he wouldn't even care. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.920 But like, yeah, I put one on her and she 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.920 goes cool, can you take it off now? Like she 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.799 just did not want it the second I put it on, 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.919 so you know, but she did the same thing when 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:07.880 I painted her nails. She goes, Okay, take it off now, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.360 Yeah that's annoying. Anyway, let me do a little bit 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.240 of Let me do a little bit of announcement before 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.320 I before I forget, because I just want to So 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.640 we told you guys about San Francisco. That link is 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.040 now live. Please buy tickets to our San Francisco show. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.919 We're so excited. You guys begged for it, We gave 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:25.320 it to you. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:25.959 Let's go. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.880 The other announcement is that our show this coming week 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.640 at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles is going to be 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.880 live streamed. We have not announced this on the podcast yet, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:39.960 We've only announced it on our socials. So if you're 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.640 one of our listeners that doesn't follow us on Instagram 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.560 or Twitter, now you know you can go to That's 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.360 Messed Up Live dot com and click on the LA 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.160 show and you can buy tickets for the live stream. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.680 It is on YouTube, so you can watch it anywhere 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.440 in the world. If you're one of our UK or 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.200 Canada people that couldn't watch our first live stream, you 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.480 can watch this one because it's YouTube. There is going 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.520 to be a chat so you guys can all chit 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.680 chat and have fun with each other and talk and 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.600 we're going to be reading your chat like at the 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.440 show as well. And it's our only show we're going 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.520 to live stream from the tour, so and I also 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.240 want to mention we are doing different episodes at every 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.960 city stop. So even if you're coming to Denver or 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.520 you're coming to like Tempe, Hey, maybe you want to 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:23.520 see what we're doing in La. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.080 It's a totally different episode. 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.919 And yeah, the live stream is also good for seven days, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.159 so I know it's like, if you live in New York, 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.640 you don't want to watch it at one am. I 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.920 get that, but it's good for seven days. Wake up 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.400 on Sunday, drink your coffee, watch a little a little murder, 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.200 you know, Oh. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.600 My god, while you were is that it for announcement? Yeah, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.240 it really kills it. Well, let me give you a 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:45.880 shout out. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:47.400 I don't know if any of you know how many 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.120 emails it takes to do anything, but Kara has answered 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.120 all of them. So thank god the tour is happening. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.159 It would not have happened if she did not keep 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.880 responding to the countless fucking emails, particular links and post. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.120 I mean, it's a lot of logistics, a lot of 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:05.960 moving parts. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.120 Please like, keep supporting us so we can get an assistant. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.800 I mean, I don't even know what else to say. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.200 We can't Kara cannot keep answering these emails. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.720 I'm gonna have to hire Rosie soon. No, And then 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.600 I one more thing I was gonna say is there's 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.680 like a handful of tickets left for LA. Please help 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.719 us sell out. If you haven't bought your LA ticket yet, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.920 please come, there's only a few left. And then yeah, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.480 obviously come join us on the live baby, and that's it. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.679 Tell me what else is going on? You were in text? 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:37.359 Well, guess so I met yesterday Miss Cracker. Uh, but 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.560 I flailed and lost it and I know her. I 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.159 went up to her and I was just like, oh my, 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.479 I like I couldn't get it together and I don't 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.440 really know why. I mean, I know, and I was like, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.200 I am so so I'm nervous and she looks at 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:50.320 me and I go, but I know, mateo. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.280 And then whatever, Yeah, I kept name dropping mateo. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.599 I couldn't get a sentence out, and Miss Cracker went, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.919 I'm just a man in address, there's no reason to 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:58.640 be nervous. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.600 And also, Miss Cracker, it is truly five feet tall, 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.400 the smallest person, yeah, like so diminutive, like not scary. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.800 While she was in full drag though at a party 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.040 where no one else I mean maybe the star of 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:13.440 the hour. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:13.919 I went to. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.400 I got to go to Cat Cohen's like Netflix special 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.560 premiere gathering, and it was a Who's who. I'll tell 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.760 you that it was really wild, but that crazy bitch. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.080 Her signature drink was a martini. A man left in 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:31.920 an ambulance. People were out of their mind. The signature 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.880 drink was martini. I mean, a recipe for disaster. I 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:39.160 can't even Everyone was just losing it on these martinis 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:39.920 all night long. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.000 It was really wild. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.839 I'm like, you classy bit, yeah, that's but also so chaotic. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.320 So chaotic. Miss Cracker, though, is cool. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.280 Like I helped Miss Cracker on a improv challenge that 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 she won, and she like thanked me afterwards. She's like, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.599 you really got me out of my head. Thank you 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.960 so much for your help on this, and you'll love this. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.000 Ms Cracker for you anything for a fellow jewis well? 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.200 Okay, wait, do you follow each other? 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.200 Can you message her and apologize that I couldn't stop stuttering? 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.520 No, I don't follow her. I'm not. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.200 Oh my god, I don't know cut this or not. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.440 We're all having. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.640 Fun, I say, if we're gonna chat about drag, this 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:22.680 season is killing me. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.440 Well, I didn't watch the one Friday, but I obviously 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:27.960 someone's golden ticket came out. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.960 I'm assuming no someone again it No, nope, there was 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.440 no fucking golden ticket and no one got sent home. Nope. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:40.240 Why it's like a setup for Okay, if you haven't 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.040 wont if you're not caught up on drag Race, please 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.280 I want to know. Yeah, yeah, if you're not caught 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.360 up under I don't want anyone to spoil. Also, this 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.239 comes out after the next episode will have already happened, 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.040 so I'm like, this will be kind of moot, but 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.040 we love to talk about shit. We're on the time machine. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:59.080 So basically, they bombed snatch game. They did bad, like 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.280 all of them, Like the only person that did well 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.280 won the whole challenge and the rest of them are 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.120 in the bottom. So rub basically said, next week, you're 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.160 all lip syncing for your life. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.080 But it's gonna be like Lolla Perusa or whatever they 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:11.640 did before. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.840 Okay, just leading it into that instead of eliminating someone. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.400 But I really hope there's like a double elimination. It 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.200 makes me feel like the show's gonna go on until 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.640 the like fucking fall. I mean, it's like, no one's 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.800 gone home and like it's crazy. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.760 Yeah, I'm and they all just. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.280 Did super bad on Snatch Game, like George just did 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.559 a lot of Glazer. It was not good, Like you 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.160 just gotta watch it. I cannot wait. Yeah, it's just 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.600 wild to me. You've watched fourteen thirteen seasons of this show. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.800 You've watched five seasons of All Stars, six six seasons 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:45.480 of All Stars. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.120 You know what snatch game is. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.920 Get a bunch of your friends together, brainstorm workshop, figure 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.240 out how you're gonna kill the snatch game. Like it 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.520 doesn't seem call mateo. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:09:01.440 Yeah you're all happy with Mateo, Like why yeah, why 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:02.560 wouldn't you work with someone? 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:03.240 But yeah, but I don't. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.280 I think I get it because if I got on Survivor, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.160 I would not learn how to make a fire before 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.240 I got and then everyone would be like why didn't 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:11.680 you learn to make a fire, And I'd be like 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.840 I didn't want to, Like I get it, Like I 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.240 don't know if I would learn to sew, I don't know. Yeah, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.880 well that's why I can't fully juge. Just so learning 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:20.800 to make a fire, I don't know. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.520 Those are like, yeah, I get learning to make a 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.200 fire's not that hard, but learning to sew seems very 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.160 hard to me at least, but like, yeah, I don't know. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.079 It's just like figure out with your friends, like an accent, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.040 you can do a voice, like it's just you know. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.840 What's also tough is that you're not allowed to be 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.280 any fictional characters. You have to be like real people, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.800 and there's just not that many real people that are 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.839 that big of a character or that interest you know 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.280 what I mean, Like, but. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.960 You make them interesting because like I'm sorry, Adele is 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:52.040 not like ha, you know, but Gingerminge killed. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.240 Yeah, yeah, Adele's pretty funny. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.120 But yeah, he say, like it's like when they do Gaga, 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.600 when three of them do Gaga, Gaga's not really a 0:09:58.600 --> 0:09:59.440 big personality. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:00.760 There's not like a thing where you're like, oh, that's 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.440 but I believe that I can make Gaga fun. I do. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.319 I think there's ways to make Gaga funny and silly 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:08.960 and weird. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:09.680 He's weird. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.640 If you saw her Thanksgiving special or her banter, She's 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.400 a fucking psycho. Her movements are nuts. Like, there are 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.760 ways to do it. They're just like comedy is hard. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:21.600 I mean at the end of the day, yeah, of course. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.080 Of course, but you also have to come in with 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.080 multiple jokes. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.000 You have to come in not just going, oh this 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.440 person does this, you have to come in with multiple 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:29.160 things that they do. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.520 Anyway, I'm here as. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.800 Your stating to be in the moment because RuPaul does lobby, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.439 lob him up, lob them up. You know, like, yeah, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.000 RuPaul is on your side. It hard Listen if any 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.040 drag queens are listening to this, I mean, I think 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:45.720 Shay listens. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.560 Sometimes some other queens might listen. If you get on 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.400 drag Race, I will be your snatch game consultant. I 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.600 will help you figure something out. Please contact me DM me. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.199 My dms are open. Lisa, what were you gonna say? 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.400 I'm well, not as good as this. So do you 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.560 remember last year you're in a half quote whatever. A 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:04.280 book came out. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.920 Amy Beth Sall put it together and it was like 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.160 thee hundred and fifty Funniest Girl Comics, and it was 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.600 all these stories and drawings and it was like a big. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.480 Notes on a bathroom the bathroom line or whatever. Yeah. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.920 So I got to meet her, and as I said, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.520 the martinis were pouring, and I did say, I go. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:21.800 You know, when the book came out, I was a 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.040 little bit like where am I and I got to 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.960 kind of confront her and it felt funny. I said, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:27.920 that's very funny. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.040 But I saw I knew some female comedians who spiraled 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.240 that they were not in that book. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:33.600 I know I was. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:38.640 Some were not taking it well, no, and everyone was great. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.320 We were talking about all the artists, but I was like, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.040 you know, I did. I was like one hundred and 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.800 fifty I didn't even make and she goes, I know, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:45.360 it was tough. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:46.480 There's so many cool ones. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.200 I wish this and that, and there were I mean 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.640 there were like big names that don't do comedy at all, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.720 you know, like so well, we can't all be in everything. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.079 But it was just funny to be able to be like, oh, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:58.959 I noticed bitch and I did take note on a 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.960 bathroom line that I was not in it. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.040 But yeah, it was cool. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.800 All these like Princeton people were at the I don't know, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.160 you're your friends with summer camp and college you guys 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.680 keep Yeah, most of my friends I would say I 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:12.520 met in comedy. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:17.200 That's yeah, not all industry people. It was like lots 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.040 of hours. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.160 But because and you. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.360 Guys might know this because you listen to our podcast, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.600 but I listened to all these people's podcasts, and so 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.640 it is crazy to meet people and be like, well, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.600 I know you're in couple's therapy, so how's that going? 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.840 Like I'm like, so you did antal with your boyfriend? 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:33.800 I heard that, how did it go? 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:34.160 Like? 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.600 It is why you just know so much about all 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.840 these loose people. They are guests on podcasts or you 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.560 listen to their podcasts and you have to kind of 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.800 keep it tight. But the Martinez very blunt. It was 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.600 a blunt party. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.680 Surprised that did not devolve into like a full orgy 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.120 that sounds so crazy. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.959 Not a full orgy, but definitely like we were all 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.000 we had to like pull a person who could not stand. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.120 But we're all theater kids, so it was like eight 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.120 of us trying to very one little man. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.559 It was like it was make a gurney. 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.080 And if you guys don't know Cat Cohen Special, our 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.480 amazing friend who did our theme song for this podcast. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.520 Henry Koperski is the musical director of that special. He 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.760 plays the piano, so you get to see him sitting. 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.280 He like co wrote the songs, so shout out to 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.920 Henry as well. It was so looking like a Kendall 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.840 fucking cutie and brought insomniac cookies. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:30.679 That's a stock. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.400 I used to live around a corner from one of those. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:35.040 He's so talented. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.280 Yeah, guys, check out Cat Cohen special on Netflix. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.880 I'm trying to think of his south By Southwest story. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.000 It is such a giant festival. But I truly I did. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:43.400 Do a zoom. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.199 I did do a zoom with Lisa by the pool. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.360 She was very living her best life. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:49.840 Cool. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.960 Yeah, working at a cabana pool is awesome. But I 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.240 felt like all the other south By douches. We were 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.680 all just like douche on our zoom calls at the pool. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.360 But it's, you know. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:02.439 Well that's kind of good though. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.560 I don't want to be somewhere where people are relaxing 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.679 and I'm on a zoom call. Like I'd rather we 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.360 all be on the fucking zoom calls. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.960 We're all the worst people, you know, Yeah, we all 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.280 just can't take a break. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.720 Well, you know, it's you know, it basically goes elon Musk, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.880 the guys who found a Google Lisa trigger. I mean 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.280 it's like this, these are the great tech minds that 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.320 are at south By, so they need. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.520 To know the audience. Are so many tech people. I 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.680 did meet Bever's his name is John, but from Broad City. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.600 Remember I know John Gemberling very well. We've known each other. Oh, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:33.320 oh amazing. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:34.680 I don't know him at all, and I just went, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.160 I know you from television, points right at him. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.240 But then we became friends. So that was he. And 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.600 I met Danielle Schneider from Bitch. Oh yeah, she was 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.320 yeuse because her husband goes there. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.760 Yeah, and they brought their daughter, who had a giant 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.360 bow and I got to be like you a Jojo 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.120 Sewa fan and uh so I got to bond with 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:53.000 their daughter. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:53.240 Today. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.600 They recently did a live show and Sydney came out 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.800 on stage in New York to like, I think like 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.480 a couple thousand people like the daughter like came out 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.720 and did like a they do like reenactments of housewives 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:04.240 and stuff. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.160 We could do that on our podcast. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.160 I think they would just be sad, but they do 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.960 that on their podcast and it's funny. And I think 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.720 the little girl like did a part and it sounded 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.360 I don't I mean, I obviously wasn't there, but it 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:15.280 sounded really cute. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.280 So she wasn't mean age with. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.000 A map, but yeah, I was like, I'm a Bravo 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.600 girl and it was very thrilling to chat. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:22.880 A little bit. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.840 But it sounds like a lot of fun, not so great, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.240 and it's just a lot of us haven't seen each other. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.800 Like I didn't see any movies, I didn't go to 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.600 any bars, I didn't go dancing. I sat in like 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.120 the lounge and just like talk to everyone that I 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.200 was so excited to see and our friends, and I 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.480 want to give a shout out to I would say, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.000 one of the best photographers in the whole world, Mindy Tucker. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.840 Like I was not feeling my best. I didn't feel 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.920 that cool. And then one moment in front of her 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.560 camera and I looked at the photos and I go, oh, okay, 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:51.200 I'm changing. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.440 No, you look awesome in her photos. She is. She 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:54.280 is incredible. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.000 She's you're on the East call my headshots of my 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.280 first like six headshots before I moved to La. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.040 She's she was invited to my. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.560 Wedding, she just couldn't come because she was shooting another wedding. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.840 Like she's a friend of mine and I love it. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.960 It was awesome to see. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.800 Her and you get to catch up while she's shooting you. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.520 And that was very truly the best She's in. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.720 Between the falls. That was the big, the big thing 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.040 for me, and I think I met some. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.480 Listening in between the falls, the highlights in between falls, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:25.600 the Lisa trigger story. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.360 Okay, but well listen, listen. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.600 And I did have an espresso martini at the four seasons. Listen, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.320 I am I'm doing. Someone had a prettium, someone had 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:35.760 a pretty am. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.360 Well, let's get started, because this episode is a classic. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.760 I'm so excited. We've wanted to do it for a 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:42.800 very long time. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.160 And happy porum to everyone, and let's get fucking started. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.120 All right. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.560 We are talking today about Control season five, episode nine, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.800 clearly a banger of a season. Lisa, this is our 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.520 even episode from season five. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:03.800 Wow. When I was going through, I was like, wait, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:04.800 we've done that long, We've done that. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.960 I was like, damn, We've done a lot from this episode, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.359 I mean, this season. So we get an opening card 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.760 on this episode that says, although inspired in part by 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.880 a true incident, the following story is fictional blah blah blah. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.320 And I wonder why sometimes they have this card and 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.560 other times they don't. We'll have to ask Neil, like, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.320 I wonder how much information, like what percentage of information 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.040 has to be ripped in order for them to give 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.200 you this little although inspired in part. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.719 By I've actually never noticed that I have. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.760 I've noticed it a few times, like sometimes they'll be like, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.720 it's like crazy to me, because it's like some episodes 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.159 it's like this is Michael Jackson, this is Woody All 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.560 and like you're not, like no, you're fooling no one, 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.920 you know. And so I don't even know if those 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.880 come with those. We'll have to see when we cover those. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.960 But so we start on an escalator going down into 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.320 the subway where there's this little cutie holding hands with 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.920 her grandpa and he is played by none other than 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:02.800 Mickey hargatea father of RISHKAHARGAATEA Wow, that is her father, 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.280 and he didn't do really much acting, it looks like 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.159 according to his IMDb after the early seventies, so this 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.919 was probably just like a fun thing to do with 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:10.480 his daughter. 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.119 And then he died in two thousand and six, a 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.200 few years later. So I love this. So the little 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.360 girl's like Grandpa who made the world. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.200 It's a little bit too precocious almost, and he's answering 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.480 her and it's really cute because he's like some people say, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.840 it's God, some people. And then we're sort of flashing 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.159 on a man who's coming to the up escalator and 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:30.720 he's like moaning in pain. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.000 We don't know what's going on with him, and. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.080 He's getting closer and closer to passing them, and the 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.879 little girl's like, I think Bob the Builder made the world. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.480 That's his job. And it's like, okay, cute little shout 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:42.440 out to Bob the Builder. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.600 And then right when the grandpa and the little girl 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.520 are getting close to this man, the grandpa notices that 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.040 the guy is covered in blood from like in his 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.400 genital region, and he screams, Oh my god. And then 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.119 the man stumbles back to the bottom of the escalator. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.480 And it's very dramatic and it reminded me of the 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.159 subway stop. I think it's like Lexington in fiftieth or 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:05.440 something where it's like just. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:06.960 A million escalators. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.560 You feel like you're coming up from the center of 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:09.960 the earth, you know what I'm talking about. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:10.640 Oh my god. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.840 It's like I'm not even scared of heights, and I'm like, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:17.399 don't look back, it's like too many escalators and by Bloomingdale's. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:17.880 Yeah, yeah. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.159 So now we cut to CSU on the scene and 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.840 I believe it's a CSU. Captain Judish Cipher on the 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.040 scene again, and Marishka is questioning her dad and it's 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.320 really cute and they kind of have like matching swoopy 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.760 hair in it, and I really am loving it. And 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.600 he tells Olivia the whole story, and then he says 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.679 he called nine one one, and when she said, did 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.040 he say anything, the guy said, he just kept saying 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:43.240 it's a mistake. It's a mistake. And now Stabler is 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.040 on the scene and he's got the victim's name. His 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.680 name is Horace Gorman and the actor that plays him 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.680 is named Austin Pendleton. And I feel like I've seen 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.240 this man my entire life in different stuff. He's got 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.520 one hundred and fifty five credits. Interesting credit. One of 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.280 them is he plays Gurgle and Finding Nemo and Dory, 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.200 all of those movies he plays one of this fish 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.040 called Gurgle. That's his voice. He's also in Oz My 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.119 Cousin Vinnie, Short Circuit and one of my favorite movies 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.280 of the eighties, hello again with Shelley long obsessed with 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.199 this movie and he's basically all over the place working 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.120 and then Stabler is in here with the big pre 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.720 credits reveal Gorman's penis and texticles were cut off and 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:23.840 they are nowhere to be found. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.880 Done done, and now on them. Baby. So it's one 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:30.320 of those. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.760 I think we've had more than one person get their 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.800 dick chopped off, Like definitely, there was I think in 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:36.720 one of the first episodes ever. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.200 The pilot season one, Baby. 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.000 Yeah, yeah, he gets his uh dick, either dick's stash's 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:45.119 or criminal yeah from Serbia or something. We've had some 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:49.000 other pedophiles on the show that cast straight themselves to 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.879 get out of like for parole reasons or something. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:52.760 Yeah. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:56.520 Yeah, but we've seen missing We've heard missing family jewels, 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:57.480 puns from these guys. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.359 Oh yeah, there's also one where it's like an old 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.120 teacher that molested a bunch of the girls and they 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:03.480 saw him in a hotel room. 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.160 They chop they castraight him. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:05.680 Mmm. 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.480 So yeah, there's been some dicks. There's been a few 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.840 cut penises on this show for sure. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.840 So in the hospital, Gorman is sitting up in bed 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.320 talking to the cops with one of these cartoony like 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.520 all the way around the nog and bandages, which I 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.960 just am always like what is that? What's happening? And 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.879 he doesn't remember anything that happened. He just remembers stepping 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.720 off the train onto the platform and then that was it, 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.479 and he said everything else is a bore, and they go, well, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:32.919 you were. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:33.240 Saying it was. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.160 It's a mistake. It's a mistake. What did you mean, 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.480 And he goes, I must have been delirious. The last 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.240 thing I felt was something hitting the back of my 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:43.000 head and then darkness. But he does remember, and suddenly 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.520 he's like, I remember nothing, and then it's like, but 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.080 I remember this very specific detail. He remembers an unhoused 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.680 man in black rags ranting and about a Judas tree 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.720 and other like religious stuff, and then he starts to 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.320 get upset and is like I'm not a man anymore, 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.760 and he's all like crying and upset. So back at 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.040 the precinct, Olivia is like looking at all the info 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.879 on the board and she's kind of like, maybe he 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.679 wanted to be castrated, Like the emmy said. It was 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.960 cut with something sharp like a scalpel, like this was 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.320 obviously like maybe he went in for some kind of 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.240 you know, penis removal, which is a wild way to 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.159 go Olivia. I feel like it's like, let's wait till 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.160 we get the tapes before we decide that this guy 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:22.440 maybe wanted his dick cut off. 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.720 But Munch suggests that it might be part of a cult. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.879 And of course he knows everything about history and is 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.760 like Roman priests men used to get castrated for divine status. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.800 Like again, this guy doesn't seem happy that his penis 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:38.840 is gone, right, he didn't see like, oh it was 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.600 my it was my dick. Surgery went wrong. Oh no, 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.240 Like he seems like he would like to have it back. 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.680 So Daddy Craigan is like, so he was either snipped 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.240 by a homeless guy or he had a voluntary penectomy. 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.199 Not a word I get to use every day, and 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.280 I just I love a Captain Craigan Zinger. And I 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.280 never really heard the name penectomy. I guess castration is 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.119 really about cutting off your balls, right, and then penectomy 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:04.880 is the penis. 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:06.400 So we learn something new every day. 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.879 The lowdown on Gorman is he's sixty two, single and rich. 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.840 He retired at thirty and he invented the games where 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.320 you play games on bottle caps underneath bottle caps, and 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.000 Finn goes, I never went at that, and Munch is like, 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.359 cause it's a scam dum dumb, Like it's a cute 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:24.320 little interaction. 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.359 And then Munch obviously is. 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.480 On the net googling castration and finds some guy up 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:34.240 in Riverdale who does this, and I keep thinking like, 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.119 can you check the tapes, like where are the tapes 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.040 from the subway? And then Craigan is like, did we 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.439 get the tapes yet? And they're still waiting for them 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.280 to be sent, So in the meantime he wants to 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.760 keep everyone busy, so he's like, Ben's in his stable, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.760 or go check with CSU about this unhoused man. 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:48.920 Maybe that's a lead. 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.320 And then Munch and Finn go up to that dick 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.840 chopper in Riverdale. So at the doctor's house, this is 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.600 like a full just Red Herring is that is silly. 0:23:57.960 --> 0:23:59.800 He shows them where he cuts the dicks off and 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.040 it's on his kitchen table, which is so nasty. But 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.199 he's like, I still realize it first, and it's like, 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.120 still you eat at the same place where you chop 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:07.880 off peenies, but. 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.479 Like, to me, it's like, how badly do you need 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.080 to chop your dick off that you're going to do 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.680 it at some dermatologists, septometrists whatever. He is, Yeah, on 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.320 a kitchen table, Like I'm just trying to understand, and 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:18.040 it's hard for me. 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.080 Yeah, well, I'm sure it's like he just takes cash. 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:22.440 You don't have to go to the doctor and deal 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.320 with it. I don't know what people. Some people are 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:25.720 probably I don't know why you want to get your 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.920 dick cut off. I'm sure there's a fucking reddit subreddit 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.240 about that. I really do think there probably is, and 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:34.159 I will look for it. He shows Finn his license, 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.360 and Fins like you're an out or Munch his license, 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.040 and Munch is like, you're an allergist, and then he 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:40.640 goes he has a point. He goes, if you ask 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.080 me to beat you up and I beat you up, 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.359 am I committing a crime? If these guys want their 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:44.960 dicks cut off? 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:45.399 I do it? 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.240 Like, so you know, it is a free country, I guess, 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.399 although I still think, yeah, I don't know if you're 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.280 allowed to do that with just a medical license. I 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:56.920 think you have to have an like I don't think 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.399 my mom can just perform open heart surgery because she's 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.040 a pediatrician, you know what I mean. I think you 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:04.120 have to have other certifications. But this guy doesn't seem 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.439 to think so. So they show him Horus and he's like, 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.439 I've never seen him before, and then it's like a 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.600 dead end. So Benson is Stabler are now at the 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.560 crime scene, the subway platform with Judith Cziber, and she's 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.040 showing them the footprints and she's like, look, these footprints 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.520 are Gorman shoes. They lead back to this construction area 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.639 at the end of the platform. There's a pool of 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.840 blood here, but it's unfortunately an area that's out of 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.359 range for the cameras. So they think, okay, maybe this 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.280 unhoused guy jumped him and then took off down the 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:34.240 abandoned tunnel. And another cop calls out and he goes, 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.640 I found blood drops down in the tunnel and there's 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.880 a bunch of encampments set up there for like where 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:41.760 unhoused people live. 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:42.679 It's a lot of people. 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:47.480 And so then this side cop who's there grabs this 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.560 unhoused woman and she's like struggling against him, and look 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.240 who it is. It's Abigail Savage from Orange is the 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:57.040 New Black, and she played the masturbator in Sugar and 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:01.280 she goes on to become Sister Nina in later SVU episode. 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.359 So she's an SVU champ and this is her first 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.080 SVU episode. And when I was looking her up, I 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:07.879 noticed that she has one hundred and five credits as 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:12.439 a sound editor and a sound engineer, so she just 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.000 I guess before she started acting, she just was doing 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:17.439 sound and then was like, maybe I'm gonna do a 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:18.000 career change. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:18.560 And I love that. 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.720 So she tells them her name is Dot, and Olivia's like, 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:24.760 did you see anyone come down here this morning? And 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:28.119 She's like, one of my favorite names, Dot. Yeah, it 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.119 is a cute name. I my friend has a Dot daughter, 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.439 but she's Dorothy and she's actually Dorothy Rose, which I'm like, 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.119 two golden girls might be overkilled, but Dottie's very cute. 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.800 She says, I can't tell you. He'll cut my eyes out, 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.359 and she explains that Samuel sees everything and that she 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.200 saw him earlier. His hands were bloody and he said 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.960 he got an offering a human sacrifice. So she They're like, well, 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.760 where can we find Samuel, and she's like, Samuel lives 0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.679 down below at the Grand Center. And now we're in 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.000 this huge, like underground village where all these on house 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.040 people live. Like I don't know how where they shot this, 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.720 but it's like multiple levels, people in their own little areas, 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.800 lots of garbage, campfires and stuff. It's like a full 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:17.800 community down here. And this is when I noticed that 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.840 the other cop that they're with is Ben Bailey, host 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.040 of Cash Cab and a stand up comedian. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.520 I didn't notice that that's fucked up. There's so many 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.800 people in this episode that are famous. It's graazy or 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:29.639 like famous. To me. 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.320 I've like sat you know, like he's a seller person, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.320 so I've sat with him on many of occasions. Did 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.480 not catch this. For one second I knew. 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.280 I was like, he's familiar. Who is that guy? And 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:41.520 then I was like, oh my god, it's fucking Ben 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.600 Bailey who used to follow me on Twitter and I 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.240 have no idea why, but uh, he might not anymore anyway, 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:50.199 So why would he unfollow you? 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:50.920 Did you guys fight? 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:51.560 No? 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:52.159 I don't know. 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:53.680 I thought he was one of those like Tay Diggs 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.400 people that was just following a lot of people because 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.000 we've never met, you know. But I always remember this 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:03.320 city like this, like little unhoused city in the bowels 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.160 of Grand Central that they're talking about, and I would 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.560 always think about it when I road the subway. I'd 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.080 be like, I wonder how far deep down is like 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.359 the Grand Center, you know. 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.680 So I actually looked into it. And this is based 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:16.560 on the so. 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.639 Called Mole people quote unquote, who live in an abandoned 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.320 section of New York City subway system which is called 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:23.200 the Freedom Tunnel. 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:24.840 And it's actually not under Grand Central. 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:28.200 It goes from Penn Station and it stretches up past Harlem, 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.000 which is a lot of blocks that's like, off the 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.520 top of it, eighty blocks. 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:37.440 What's fucked up and scary is when sandy or storms 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.120 and rain happens, like what happens to these mole people. 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.280 Yeah, hopefully people come through and say, like there's a 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:45.400 big storm coming like that. 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.040 I don't know, I mean, who knows. 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.880 But so there was a documentary about this in two 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.800 thousand by Mark Singer called Dark Days, and it followed 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.560 a group of people living down there. And then there 0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.880 was another book by tiun Votin called Tunnel People, and 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.840 he lived with them for five months, and it's about 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.240 all the inhabitants of the Freedom Tunnel. So there's more 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.000 information if you want to learn about this, but this 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:09.360 is based on like a real thing. 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.400 I also love that we're like being careful, I being 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.760 like and our unhoused neighbors. 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:15.960 And then we're like and these mole people. 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:16.680 I know. 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.320 I well, that's why I said quote unquote, because that's 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.680 like what they're called, Like that's what the documentaries call 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.640 them and stuff, so you know. But then mole people 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.520 also has a second definition because it's in like science fiction. 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.760 There's something about mole people. So that's that's separate, that's 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.920 not these people. So Ben Bailey, as we're walking through 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.520 the Grand Center is giving us the scoop on Samuel, 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:40.680 and he's like he's been living underneath Grand Central for 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.160 years and this guy just happens to know exactly where 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.720 Samuel's like area is. So maybe this man is like 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:51.160 a transit cop or something. And they go into Samuel's 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.479 little home and he's not there, but live spots fresh 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.640 blood leading to a paper bag that is being held 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.760 by a mannequin in its hands. And this reminds me 0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:01.720 I I talk about it all the time. It does 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:03.320 remind me of Silence of the Lambs when they go 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.920 to the storage unit and they see all that freaky 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.520 shit in the storage unit and they find Benjamin. 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:09.480 I don't know if we've talked about this, but have 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.880 you seen the tweet Like Silence of the Lambs really 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.880 ruined it for nice people and casts that need help 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:16.680 pushing a couch into a truck? 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.880 Yes, so true. 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.120 So I can't hear the song American Girl by Tom 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.800 Petty without thinking of somebody getting shoved into a truck. Yeah, like, 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:28.959 because that's what she's listening to right as she pulls up. 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:29.560 Anyway. 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.600 Yeah, that's how we feel about stuck in the middle 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:36.000 with you. You know that ear chopping moment in Reservoir Docs. 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.680 Yes, yes, I know the soundtrack. I've never actually seen 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:39.320 that movie. 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.760 Oh good one. I know I've done it, and I 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:43.680 know he's acting. 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.280 It's like Harvey Kaitel and that other guy at the 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:47.520 tim Roth or whatever. 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.239 So good. I don't know. 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:55.000 I'm a huge Tarantino person. I met him one time 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.320 and he got mad at me. Did I tell you? 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:56.960 Wait? Did you? 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:01.360 I escorted him on Conan and he was so nice 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.680 to me, and then it was Christmas and when I 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.560 feel like I've talked about this either on this podcast 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.840 or another one. But when we got him down to 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.640 the street level for him to leave his car was 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.200 just like stuck in traffic and He's like, where's my car, Cara, 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:16.720 And I was like, it's coming. It's like it's like 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.920 a block away, like the guys. I'm on the phone 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:20.760 with the guy, like he's coming. But he was like 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.760 piss because people were starting to mob him and I 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:23.760 was like, I'm really sorry. 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.640 I'm really sorry he was, but he was nice to me. 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:26.040 In the end. 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.520 It was fine, But what can I do. I can't 0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.640 move New York City traffic around thirty Rock, you know. Anyway, 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:37.320 at Christmas anyway, they go into this bag that this 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:42.200 mannequin is holding and we have found mister Gorman's family 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:43.840 jewels or whatever they want to call it. They're his 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.200 dick and balls are in this bag and suddenly a 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.960 trash campfire blazes and Ben Bailey turns around and goes 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:55.480 it's him. And it's like very cinematic, like. 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.760 In Jurassic Park. It's like when the t Rex shows up, like. 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.800 And Samuel is like up on some kind of high 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.000 platform and he's like ah, and then they flash their 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.160 flashlights on him and that like spooks him and he 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:11.000 runs for it. Stabler chases him, sacks him. They take 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.480 off his goggles and he's like in pain from the 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.959 light of the flashlight and he's like begging them like, 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:18.239 please don't take me into the light. Like, so this 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.720 man has something going on and he's got like white, white, white, white, 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:26.040 pale skin. So the next scene, Samuel is cuffed to 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.520 a wall in an interrogation room and Huang enters and 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:30.400 he turns the lights down and then he turns them 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.680 all the way off, and that's when Samuel kind of 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.480 like is like I'll talk and he's like, my name 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.920 isn't Samuel, It's Samuel. And Huang, of course, who knows 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.200 everything about everything, is like h Lucifer before he was 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.840 in heaven when he was still an angel, and Samuel 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.440 is like, God wants Samuel to return to heaven, but 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.640 he belongs to the darkness, and Huang asks do you 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:53.360 talk to God? 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.200 And he says no. God sends his. 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.840 Arch angel who brings me offerings, and she was wearing 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.120 a white hood and she cares is a shining sword. 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:05.360 She cut the limb from the Judas tree, so hints, hints, 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:10.600 hints all over the place from Samiel Hwang steps out 0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:12.959 of interrogation and talks to Benson and Stabler, and he's like, 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.160 I think Sam. I think Sammy Sam has a genetic 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:20.040 disorder called porphyria, which is light sensitivity and could be 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.600 responsible for his abdominal pains and possibly his delusions as well. 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.560 And Huang's like, it's possible he's violent, but the light 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:30.960 literally hurts him, So I really don't think he would 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.760 have stepped out into the subway platform to cut someone's 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.360 dick off, Like your flashlight was bothering him, So I 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.080 don't think he would have been able to handle like 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.080 subway fluorescent lighting. And just then Craigan lets us know 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.640 those tapes are finally here. Thank God. I'm like waiting 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.840 for these tapes. So now they're watching the tapes. It 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.440 shows Gorman getting off the subway strolling down the platform 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.480 when suddenly a woman in a white puffy coat with 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.880 the hood up confronts him and then she follows him 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.280 down the They talk for a few seconds, and then 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.040 she follows him down the platform, but her head is 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.400 tilted down and we never see her face. It's almost 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.319 like she knows that there are cameras and we never 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.680 see her face. And Live is like, uh, well, Gorman 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.759 clearly lied to us. Let's go talk to him, like 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.840 he spoke to this woman on the platform. But the 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.359 hospital just called and told them that Gorman has checked 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:24.480 himself out against medical advice. So we go to his apartment, 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:28.560 this fancy rich man who's retired since for thirty years. 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.600 Let's go check out his beautiful apartment. So the doorman. 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.440 You can tell it's a nice building because the doorman 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.640 is like in a full uniform, and he's like, uh. 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.759 That's the dream of mine. I wanna I wanna have 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.040 a door guy and I want to be friends with him. Yeah, 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.440 that'd be nice. And give him a nice Christmas present. 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.120 Oh cash, you're supposed to tip, I read. 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.480 I'm sure you'd give something else too, though, I'm sure 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.200 you'd be like, I know your son like soccer. 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:53.520 Here's something I found on EDS. 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:58.719 Please you'd give one other thing besides the cash. So 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.160 the guy he opens the apartment for Benson and Stabler, 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.480 and when they get in there, it is full hoarders, 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.719 like this guy has stacks and stacks of newspapers and magazines. 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:12.480 It's really nasty looking. He's got toilet paper, like all 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.319 this shit. So the doorman they're like, oh, does he 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:16.960 have a woman in his life? And the Dorman's like, no, 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:20.440 he's a confirmed bachelor. And I'm like, what a weird concept. 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:21.840 I'm a confirmed bachelor. 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.680 I don't know. But they're like, that's weird that he's 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:26.080 a bachelor. 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.480 Because Stabler flips open the first thing he sees and 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.360 it's a photo album of a woman in a wedding dress, 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.600 and so he's like, well, I see that he's been married. 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.920 And then Live finds two more and realizes that all 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.359 these women are wearing the same wedding dress and a 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:43.920 dog collar. And Live sees one of the brides and 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.439 is like, holy shit, I know this girl. She came 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:51.040 into the squad four years ago and told me she'd 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.520 been kept in a dungeon by some freak and forced 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.440 to marry him. And Live is like, I didn't believe 0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:00.359 her because she was drunk, and it's always sad. Live 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.000 makes those mistakes. Yeah, yeah, we expect yeah from her. 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.160 She's not a perfect person, but she does we do 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:10.120 expect more, and she's believed wilder people. I mean, she's 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.400 believed people that were in the middle. I mean remember 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:17.120 the fucking episode with Amanda Plumber where she's in a 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:21.120 full uh, she's in a full manic episode and like 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.920 they believe everything she's talking about, you know. So anyway, 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.240 a top of AC two, we find out this woman's 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.160 name is Hillary Barclay. And then so four years ago 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:31.680 she got into a car with this guy on a 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:33.840 rainy night. He locked her up for three months and 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.480 then just let her go, which is pretty wild, and 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.839 he blindfolds her and then drives her around and then 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:41.640 just dumped her somewhere. 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.520 He just let her out. And Craigan asks if live 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.080 checked it out, and she was like, there was nothing 0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:46.520 to check. 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.560 She just said it was a white, older male driving 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.480 a dark Tudor like and he's like, you didn't buy 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.879 her story, and she's like, I wish I had. And 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.600 then Munch and Stabler are backing her up, being like, no, 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.920 I remember her. She was drinking, drugging incoherent. Meanwhile, I 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.560 don't remember people like, no, that's not true. I remember 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.880 like everybody that I meet, but I don't remember. So 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.359 many things that happen or what people told me, and 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.440 it's just wild that they're like, oh, yeah, four years ago, 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.960 I remember this girl drinking drug and you know whatever, 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.279 she was incoherent. And then they said she also had 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.640 a court date that she'd missed for a drug charge, 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.279 and they thought she might be making up this whole 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.359 abduction thing as a way to be like, that's why 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.760 I miss my court date. And so they also reveal 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:33.400 that Hillary's mother is Juliet Barclay and Craigan goes the 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:35.880 supermodel and I just love the idea that Craigan just 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:39.399 knows who all the models are. And they find out 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.279 that she now owns and runs an antiquity shop on 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.240 Madison Avenue. So we cut to the shop and Juliet 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.440 is played by gorgeous Jacqueline Bassett, who is It's weird. 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.120 She's a very famous British actress. And I've known who 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.200 Jacqueline Bassett was my entire life, but I look at 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.120 her IMDb and I'm like, I don't even know what 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.680 I've watched that she's been in, Like she's been in 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:01.880 so much, but like I remember her mostly from this 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.040 episode as an older person, but I think my dad 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.440 also used to say she was really gorgeous or something 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.160 like I remember him telling me she was beautiful or something. 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.040 But she's in the original Murder on the Orient Express. 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.920 And she's also in this movie called Airport, which is 0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.400 a disaster movie and was one of the first big 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:22.160 movies that brought in like disaster movies, and she played 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.480 a pregnant stewardess carrying Dean Martin's baby, which I love. 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:31.719 She's also Angelina Jolie's godmother. Also, this is kind of 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:33.520 cool and I thought you would like this Lisa. She's 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.680 seventy seven years old. She's had all these romances with 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.439 like wealthy men, but she's never been married, and she's 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.200 child free, and she's just like I never wanted any 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:42.840 of that stuff. 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:44.040 I have. 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.239 The people she had romances with. 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.719 It's like high profile Moroccan architects or like you know, 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:51.360 real estate people, you. 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:51.799 Know what I mean. 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.000 It was like never I mean maybe there were actors, 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.880 but not in what I was reading about her, And 0:38:55.920 --> 0:39:03.799 I didn't do a deep dive. But she's like Brian Saftie. Yeah. 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.279 I just think it's cool that she was like I 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:06.640 wanted to be an actor and like, this is what 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:08.440 means the most to me, and I didn't really need 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.400 that other stuff, Like I don't think I could have 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.560 done that stuff well and still done my craft well, 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.879 which I think you can. But she didn't think she could, 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.320 so she didn't do it. So she's in her shop 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.560 being like, I don't talk to my daughter. She's got 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.040 a very posh accent, and she's like, if this is 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.280 another one of her schemes, you guys better skid atle 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.640 She hasn't talked to Hillary in two years, and she 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.480 said Hillary was a junkie who stole from me, wrecked 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.759 my marriages, told out rageous lies, and my pregnancy with 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:35.200 her ended my modeling career. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.280 Ouch. And she's like, back then, women didn't have a choice. 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.040 So she clearly has like a lot of resentment towards 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:43.520 her daughter. 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.080 And they tell her, hey, guess what that story about 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.240 her being kidnapped by a psycho and kept hostage was true, 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.959 and she looked shocked, and she's like, oh my god, 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.400 Like you can tell you can see the regret on 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.759 her face. And she's like, she wrote me a letter 0:39:57.800 --> 0:39:59.719 about a month ago. I've got an address for her 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.120 on the Lower East Side So now they're at her 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.080 apartment Lower East Side and the door opens and it's 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.759 Samantha Mathis and I recognized her from the photo, but 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.040 now we're seeing her in person. Superstar of the nineties, 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.439 like she was in Pump Up the Volume, so many 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:14.640 cool movies. 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.200 I grew up like watching her. 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.320 She also dated like tons of cool guys like Christian Slater, 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.200 River Phoenix, like she was like a hot it girl 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.760 and is still working constantly. And this is her first 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:28.680 of three episodes of s View she's been on, and 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.520 she always plays like a significant part, so she's an 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.080 SVU legend. And she looks at Olivia remembers her immediately 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:38.880 and is like pissed, like what the hell are you 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.960 doing here? I remember you, And they're like, well, your mom. 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:44.680 We talked to your mom. That's how we found you. 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.520 And she's like, screw my mom and screw you, and 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:48.359 she walks back into the apartment, but leaves the door 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.120 wide open for them to follow her, which is a 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.040 weird move, and Stabler's like, we know you were telling 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.640 the truth, and she's like burning incense and she's got 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:58.799 a big Buddha on her coffee table, like I think 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.439 she's trying for like very he's zen vibes and she's 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.160 telling them like, I'm sober now, I'm trying to get 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.600 my life together. And she's skeptical about talking to the 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.520 cops though rightfully so she's like, what are you gonna 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:10.640 do anything about it? 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:11.560 On like last time? 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.319 And then they mentioned that they know who the guy is, 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:16.880 and she's like, oh my god, who is it? Like 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:18.600 tell me everything, and they're like, well, we obviously can't 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.320 tell you anything, but they need her alibi for the 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.880 night that he was attacked, and she says, I was 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.840 at an NA meeting. Olivia asks her about the details 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.720 of where she was held and she goes. She starts 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:31.640 like she walks to the window and is giving like 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.279 a tearful monologue about like you know, her captivity, and 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.840 she's like, he called it his party place or maybe 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:38.560 party palace. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:39.399 Did I write that wrong? 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.160 Anyway, he called it his party something and it was 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:43.640 a hell hole, And she said, I thought I was 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:45.759 going to die there. I would have tried to kill him, 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:47.440 but there was a combo lock on the door, so 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:49.080 if I had attacked him, I would have been like 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:54.279 stuck there forever, there were no windows, and it was 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.640 like a cold and damp basement, and she heard chanting 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.760 in a strange language, like some kind of Satan Tannic cult. 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.120 So these are the details, and so Munch when they 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.960 go back to the precinct, and Munch has discovered that Gorman, 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.240 despite being a Christian, has given a lot of money 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.120 to the Jews, specifically to a synagogue on the Lower 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:17.400 East Side. He funded a restoration and supervised a restoration 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:21.440 of this synagogue and lives like the chanting. And I 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.040 just think, lol, that Hebrew sounds like a Satanic cult, 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.279 Like I grew up going to Hebrew school singing all 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.719 these songs and people are like Satanic cult. 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:30.920 Well, anything sounds like a call if you don't know 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:33.080 what the hymning is, if you're like lock in the baseman, 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:37.160 just hear people, you know, all together humming, yeah, yeah, 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:41.040 you know, oh yeah, I could get that guy who knew. 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:41.440 Where she grew up. 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.240 Maybe she didn't go to Bot mitzvas all the time, 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.440 but in New York, Well she grew up in New York, right, 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.160 you are you're avoiding about Mitzvah if you're not going 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:49.879 to want in New York. 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:54.960 So they go to this temple where he had supervised 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.359 this restoration, and they're talking to the rabbi and this 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.000 man is played by Pierre Epstein, who you may also 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.040 recognized as Charlotte's rabbi from Sex and the City. 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.239 He's in like three episodes of Sex and the City. 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:10.080 It when like during her conversion it yeah, and he's 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:12.600 I've seen him and other stuff too, this man, and 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.719 he's going on and on about oh Gorman, like we 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.200 love him. He saved our temple, like we gave him 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.240 on supervised access to the whole shool. 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:21.799 And then it's like uh oh. 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.400 Finn rolls in and he's got major info and he's like, 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:26.480 I've been here before. 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:27.919 My parents brought me here. 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.160 It wasn't always a temple, it was a church, and 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.080 it was a stop on the underground railroad. So it's like, 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.040 now we know there are tunnels, let's get going. So 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.640 downstairs we're in the tunnels. We've immediately got that ominous 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.120 dripping noise that I talk about all the time, like drip, drip, 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:43.839 You're always going to find something bad when you hear 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:48.760 the dripping. CSU Captain Ciper's with them using a machine 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.719 like which they used in another episode that we that 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:58.160 we the one where the guy was behind the wall. Anyway, 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.200 it's like to detect if there's like a void hind 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.160 a wall, and so she finds this big wall and 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.319 she goes, there's a hidden there's a space behind here, 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.360 like there's a big void here, so obviously a hidden 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:08.200 room of some kind. 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:09.680 We got two cops. 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.640 I don't know they did not give these guys enough 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.120 direction because I'm watching these two cops just like very 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.799 casually sledgehammer a wall. They didn't seem like they had 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.160 much urgency to their mission. But they finally get through 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:24.440 and inside it's like a nightmare cell, but it's not unlike. 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:25.120 Things we've seen before. 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.200 There's like a bucket toilet, you know, a dirty fridge 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.960 and microwave, a bed, like an old ass TV with 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.800 bunny ears, so like we've seen these kind of cells 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.600 before where unfortunately men are always holding women. And then 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.720 they turn the light on and that's when they notice 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.360 a girl in a bron underwear just chained to the wall, 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:48.120 which is super fucked and there is a tunnel exit 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:49.840 that they find that leads right to the street. 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:51.880 So this is like a perfect setup for a psycho. 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:55.320 He's got his own entryway to go in, bring these girls, 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.439 do what he wants with them, and then bring them out. 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:03.319 And obvious when he was discovered, he came back and 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.680 bricked up this wall with his last victim inside it, 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.680 which is so horrifying that he was just gonna leave 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.040 her there to die. Well, yeah, because it adds to it, 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.480 because that's the thing, like he is, he is releasing 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.759 these women. He's not quote unquote a murderer, but he 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.000 knows there's someone in there, and he was willing to 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.600 let her die, Like, yeah, are you a murderer? 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.520 But I it's just it's all fucked. Yeah. 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.160 I think maybe he was just like scrambling because now 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:31.680 he knows the cops are eventually going to find out 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:32.239 what's up with him. 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:32.440 Yeah. 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:34.200 I've said this before and I'll say it again, Like 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:35.920 why can't you just make the room nice? Like I 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:37.680 don't get it, Like you can't just put them on 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.560 toilet in there that flushes. It's just so annoying. I 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:41.880 guess the flushing is annoyed. 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.320 Well, but that's a whole and that's a whole plumbing issue. 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.600 But like, yeah, I get why it has to be 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:52.080 the worst possible way to live. Yeah, yeah, it's horrific, 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:53.400 like a pillow would kill you. 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.120 Like I just I don't get it right. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:46:01.280 Right, And Munch finds all this guy diaries too, because 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.920 of course all these psychos they diary and they fucking 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.839 chronicle every awful crime that they do because I don't 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.680 know what they think. They're like Stephen King of their 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.920 own crimes. And when we are back at the precinct, 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.080 we find out that the victim that they found is 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.120 dehydrated and pretty sick, so they won't be able to 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:18.319 talk to her for a while, but it sounds like 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.240 she's gonna make it, which is good news. And Kang 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.120 is explaining, you know, he's doing his psychological profile of Gorman, 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.040 and he's like, by marrying these women, he owns them. 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:28.480 And Stabler's like, yeah, this. 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.920 Guy is a collector, like he collects toilet paper, magazines, women, 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:35.319 and this very much. If you haven't watched Dexter new 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.920 Blood and you are planning to watch it, please fast 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:41.560 forward thirty seconds. This reminds me of this guy in 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.960 Dexter new Blood who is collecting women. 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:48.400 He kills them and then he like embalms them. 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:50.799 So he can collect them in literal trophy cases, like 0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:51.960 he's collecting women. 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.239 So one of the wildest twists, Like that's the thing. 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:58.239 Like Dexter new Blood definitely had moments where I was taken. 0:46:57.960 --> 0:46:59.719 Out or didn't love it or was it and then 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.000 but always. 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.680 So twisted, twisted and good and pushes it to the limits. 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:08.319 And that kill Room was so good. It's just I 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.799 love it. And we'll see, We'll see what happens next season. 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:12.839 You know, Michael Shall has a concert with his band 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.520 March twenty second at zebulon Do we like the music? 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.160 I don't know, but I'm going okay. 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:26.799 So liv notices as she's going through the pictures of 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:28.960 the bride, She's like, hold on a minute. The dungeon 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:32.200 that we just discovered has stone walls because it's a basement, 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.200 and the wedding photos here are taken against a plaster wall, 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.640 so uh, he must have brought them somewhere else to 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.080 marry them. Like, and then in walks Lauren White, who 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.279 is a recurring character, but I believe this is her 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.799 first episode, and she is she knows Elliott, and they're 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.920 very they're chumming right away. She works for the NYC 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:55.359 Administration of Children's Services. So she tells Elliott, I've got 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.239 a client, seventeen year old who reported being raped in 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:02.040 a dungeon. Her name is Neva. So now we're in 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:05.640 interrogation with Niva. She's played by Kelly Stewart, who has 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.359 been in all kinds of shit like The Hot Tub, 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.920 Time Machine, Movies on My Block, Chicago, med etc. And 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.399 she's explaining how Gorman made her call him sir, and 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.880 he said that he owned her, and he made her 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.640 keep diaries of everything she did, when she ate, when 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.640 she peed, when he had sex with her, although I 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.440 mean it is rape, but and now we are basically 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:31.120 cutting back and forth between Olivia reinterviewing Hillary and Niva 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.720 being interviewed by Stabler, so we're seeing that their stories 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.239 match up exactly pretty much. 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:39.200 And she said, he took me to a ratty hotel. 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.640 The manager saw and Sir said if I screamed, he'd 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.440 kill my family. So, you know, typical stuff we hear 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.080 all the time that he's going to kill my family. 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:52.960 And he called the room the honeymoon suite. There were candles, flowers, 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.879 cheap champagne, and then he took pictures and told her 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:57.920 that they were man and wife. He made a toast 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.080 and then said it was time to consummate the marriage, 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:05.360 and he raped them. So Hillary remembers hearing bullhorns like 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:10.480 they were near the river and helicopters. So the you 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:14.360 know kings of New York City geography, the SVU sixteenth 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.920 Threecinct all put their heads together and they're like, this 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.239 sounds like one of those single room occupancy hotels on 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.319 the West Side near Chelsea Piers, which is funny because 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.040 they're probably literally at Chelsea Piers while they're talking about this, 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:30.840 and then he's like, that's got to be what it is. 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.359 Let's go wait, where's live And then they say, oh, 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.719 she walked out with Hillary a while ago, and Stabler's like, well, 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:38.080 we can't wait on her, let's just go. 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.080 So they go to the Lydia Hotel and the desk 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:41.759 clerk like. 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.360 Wants a bribe, and instead he gets a headlock from Finn, 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.640 which is another fun I like when Finn takes matters 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:48.319 into his own hands. 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:49.560 He's like, I'm not giving you twenty dollars. 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.399 I'm going to put you in a headlock, and then 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:55.440 he the guy is like yeah, Gorman's well. They show 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.319 him a picture of Gorman and he's like, yeah, he's here, 0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.160 but he's busy, and so they run up there. When 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:04.000 they bust open the door, Olivia is standing over Gorman's 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:07.480 dead body, bloody in the bed or maybe on the ground, 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.960 and Stabler is like what the fuck, and Live is 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:12.279 like he was dead when I got here. 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:13.800 And it's sketchy. 0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:16.360 It is like they purposely the show makes it sketchy, 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.439 like lives by herself, like why wouldn't she have called 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.640 for backup? You know? Like then she kind of walks 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.359 out of the room, like I don't want to talk 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:24.360 about it with you anymore. 0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:26.200 They can make it as sketchy as they want, But 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.359 I have no doubt in my mind that Benson did 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:29.279 not kill this guy. 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.480 I wouldn't, of course. 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:34.680 I'm just pointing out the devices they're using to make 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:37.640 you try to doubt Benson that maybe she feels so 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.399 bad about her mistake that she fucking stabbed this guy. 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:40.680 Right. 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.000 So, top of act three, the corner is packing up 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.880 Gorman's bod and Munch is giving us like the whole rundown. 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.760 He's been dead less than an hour of a single 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.600 stab wound to the chest with a smooth blade and 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:55.000 it might be the same one that was used to 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:58.200 cut his Wiener off, and Stabler's like, you said, Wiener, 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.279 I wrote Dick's so many times that I was trying 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:02.560 to think of different things to write. 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:03.920 But now I just want a hot dog. 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.439 I'm sorry, and I know you like a big beef dog, 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.200 as you said on A four proud a previous episode. 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:12.840 I like a big beef dog. 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:19.200 So now Stabler and Benson are alone and he's like, 0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:20.359 are you protecting her? 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:21.840 So Stabler doesn't think she did it. 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:25.160 He thinks she's covering for Hillary, and she goes, I 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.560 left Hillary at her mother's house a couple hours ago, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.400 and I don't need your interrogation, Stabler, you know. And 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.000 he's like, I don't get why you didn't come back 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:34.759 to the squad and she's like, look, I had a 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.120 hunch that it was one of these hotels, kind of 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:38.319 like you guys came up with. 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.279 I checked five hotels. This was number six. 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.480 And Stabler's like, you did this all without backup, and 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:47.799 he's pissed, and Elliott goes to her, You're out of control, 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.640 and liv goes, I never had control with this one, remember, 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.440 and I didn't even realize. I always think when I 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:55.600 think about this episode that it's called control because of 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:57.720 the way this guy was controlling them, But it's also 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:01.520 about Olivia and of the control she has over the 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.320 situation and her role so interesting when. 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.719 They always think of well, I think that's what the 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:08.640 Internet wants me to do. But I just think about 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.640 the Leonardo DiCaprio meme now where he's pointing. Have you 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:14.200 ever seen the one where he gets up like he's 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:18.359 the Howard Hughes point No. Oh, yeah, it's a fun meme, 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.920 And it's like usually like when you hear the title 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.440 episode be said, oh. 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.640 And you're like, oh, yes, is that not from Gatsby? 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.560 Once upon a Time in Hollywood? We made it back 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.359 to Tarantino. I think I have seen that for sure. 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:35.799 So Olivia is beating herself up about this mistake and 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.839 Elliott is like, get over it, and I just think 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.960 it's we always talk about cops fucking up cases and 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:44.799 a lot of the research that we do, and like, 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:46.759 I kind of like how in this show they at 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:48.960 least show the cops fuck up, you know, Like I 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.480 know it's a fantasy where the cops are totally not 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:53.959 really how they are, but it's also how they're really 0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:55.759 not how they are in a bad way. Like Live 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.440 did fuck up, and at least she's trying to rectify 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.440 it and feels bad. Like Stabler's the kind of cop 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:03.960 who would just double down and be like, never admit 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:06.000 that he did something wrong. He'd just be like, all right, 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:07.839 I just got to fix it now, you know. Like, 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:09.600 and I think that it just shows the different sides 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.680 of them. She's kind of letting it eat at her, 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.880 and he's just like get over it, Like let's just 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.719 find the guy, you know, or find who did this, 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.880 I guess because we have already found the guy. So 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.399 now we're back at the precinct and all these women 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.600 have come forward as victims of Gorman. Okay, like we're 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.839 getting a little pan of the precinct and all these 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.680 women are sitting there, like one woman is like Cambodian 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.760 and she's like telling her story to Finn and Cambo 0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:36.400 in another language and don't I don't think Finn's I 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:36.839 don't think. 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:37.840 Finn speaks that language. 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:39.560 So it's like a lot of them are just like 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:43.319 telling their story and unfortunately Finn reveals to Olivia that 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.480 all of these women were taken after Hillary, which causes 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:48.960 her to feel even more guilt because every woman that's 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:50.960 sitting in front of her would not have had this 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.960 experience if Olivia had believed Hillary and they had investigated 0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:54.680 the crime. 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:55.480 Yeah, it sucks. 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:59.040 The thing is, it's like everyone makes mistakes. These mistakes 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.560 have really long line, huge consequences. 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.520 Yeah, so this kind of breaks Olivia. 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:08.239 She goes to her locker and starts packing her shit, 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:10.040 which I don't think we've seen her do before. Like, 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.960 I don't think we've seen her almost quip before. And 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.360 Craigan confronts her and she's just like I can't do 0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:18.320 this anymore. And he's like trying to explain, like, look, 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.120 this guy picks women who no one would believe, Like 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.600 he picks women specifically that he can just let go 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:26.440 and leave back on the street and knows that no 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.840 one will believe them. And he's like, there's always going 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:30.760 to be purps and there's always going to be victims. 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.160 And Olivia is like the only reason I'm standing here 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.240 is because my mom let herself get raped. 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:37.680 And you've never heard that from Olivia before. 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.680 I've never heard her like blame her mom like that before, 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.319 and it's weird to hear her like vict and he's like, 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.160 since when do you victim blame? And she's like, my 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.640 mother was drunk when she was attacked, and so was Hillary. 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.080 And I'm like, you know what, so am I most 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.400 weekend nights. That doesn't mean anything, Like it doesn't mean anything, 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.680 and Craigan is like, the people responsible for these crimes 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.400 are the purpse, like, not the victims, no matter how 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.120 drunk or fucked up they were or whatever their pasts were, 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.120 and lives saying, but the reason I didn't believe Hillary 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.080 is because of my past with my mom and like 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.000 that my mom was an alcoholic and that she was 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.440 drunk when she got rapes and so it's all connected. 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:17.560 And Craigan's like, okay, fine, quit throw away all the 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:19.480 good you've done and all the good you will do 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:22.400 over one mistake, and live looks like she got got 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:25.000 and she sucks it up and grabs pictures of the 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:28.360 brides and is like, let's go to Stabler. So crisis averted. 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:30.799 I don't know if you guys, no spoiler, but she 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:36.120 does not leave the squad. So now they're back in 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:41.000 the tunnel in the Grand Center and they're showing Sami 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:44.760 l aka Samuel the photos of these brides, who's. 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.319 Now just a full time informat. Yeah. 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.319 He's like, oh, hey, old cop friends, let's talk keep 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:54.160 things dark. And they show him this photo array of 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:56.760 all these brides and say which one is your angel? 0:55:57.239 --> 0:55:59.840 And he id's don't done. Hillary. 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:04.440 And so now we're at this very upscale maud apartment 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.440 of Juliet Barclay and she's in a silky PJ in 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.600 robe and she's got a view of the Empire State 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:13.640 Building and the Chrysler Building, so not bad. And Hillary 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.400 is there with some pjs onto more of like a 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:20.080 hippie hippy silky. Yeah, hers are more. No, Hillary's are 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:23.720 more like she got them on a trip to Tibet, 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:25.360 you know what I mean. That's like what the vibe 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:27.920 was for me. But they're not as silky as her mom's. 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:32.440 And then they tell them, hey, we found Gorman and 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:34.640 he's dead and she says, good, I hope he suffered. 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.080 And then they're like you killed him and she denies it. 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:39.759 She's like, I didn't do it, and her mom gets 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.160 angry and is like, you can't take her you can't 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:42.440 take her. 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:43.200 You can't do this to her. 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.319 She's been through enough, so I'm kind of it's nice 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.880 to see that these two have kind of reconnected. And 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:51.279 then Juliet confesses to the murder. She goes, take me, 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.000 I killed the bastard. I had to protect my daughter. 0:56:54.560 --> 0:57:00.239 So they arrest Juliette while Hillary is protesting and like, 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:03.000 you can't take her, you can't take her. So now 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.279 Juliet is in interrogation, out of her silky robe. 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:06.520 PJ. 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:08.000 Look. I don't know if they got her a sweatshirt 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:12.160 or whatever, but she explains that Horace Gorman murdered my 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.239 daughter's soul. I did what any mother would do. And 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.160 they want to know how she knew where to find Gorman, 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:22.400 and she said, last week, Hillary saw him leaving his 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:25.440 apartment building and she was shocked. So she said, so 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.720 I followed him for a few days and then I 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:30.280 castrated him at the subway station. I didn't want to 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:32.840 kill him in case he was holding another victim smart 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.320 the day before the day he was killed. He never 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.800 went to the dungeon, and she remembered that he would 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.080 hang out with all these quote unquote hookers at this 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:43.560 Dingy Hotel. So when the cops told Hillary that Gorman 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.360 was on the lamb, like she knew exactly where he was, 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:49.000 she went to the hotel, knocked on his door and 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:50.240 asked if he wanted company. 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.840 When he let her in, she says she stabbed. 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:55.360 Him, and she goes, there was so much blood, and 0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:57.080 then she says she threw the knife down the sewer 0:57:57.160 --> 0:57:58.200 grade a few blocks away. 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.200 So she's got a pretty good storyline up. 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:04.880 Now we're in Judge Petrovsky's chambers with the Dream Team. Okay, 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:08.440 it's Petrovsky, it's Casey Novic, and it's Cyndi Lauper's husband 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:09.240 Lionel Grainger. 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:10.280 Love this. 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:14.160 So Granger is arguing that Juliet's confession is a Peyton 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:18.680 violation because and the Peyton violation is essentially what we've 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:20.720 talked about on this podcast before. The cops are not 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.439 allowed to without a warrant, arrest someone in their home. 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.920 They need to step out of their home. So what 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:30.520 we saw in the episode was a little bit walking 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:33.440 the line there because they did kind of bring her 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.480 out of her apartment and then they arrested her, but 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:39.000 she didn't walk out of her apartment really on her 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:43.840 own accord, So that's what he's arguing, and there he's 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:45.840 kind of right. I hate to say, you know, like 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:48.680 we love our girl, Casey Novak, but I think this 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.400 guy's she would argue the same thing if it was 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:54.840 reversed for her. And she's saying she wasn't arrested until 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.760 she stepped outside, and he's like, yeah, but she was 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.360 intimidated and dragged out by cops and Novak like, no, 0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:04.400 she volunteered. But Petrovsky's like, Novak, come on, I'm throwing 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:07.200 out this confession. And then Granger is like, all right, baby, 0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:10.160 let's talk plea deal, and Novak is like, scram buddy, 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:12.560 I've got the spontaneous admission in the apartment, and I 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:13.479 think that'll be just fine. 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.400 Thank you so much for coming out. And then in. 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:20.640 The courtroom, Novak is making her argument that even though 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:23.920 Gorman Novak's wearing a wild outfit in this episode, it's 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.800 such a long skirt, she looks like a Hasidic Jewish wife. 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:28.280 I don't think I noticed it. 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.280 Oh it was like black and then like a long 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.600 black pleated skirt to below the knee. I was like, Casey, 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.360 this I think they later let her dress a little hotter. 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:39.040 Because I'm also extra sensitive to Orthodox outfits, and i 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.280 always feel like I'm dressed like an Orthodox Jew or 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.680 like a Menna night on a night out. So I 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:46.120 do feel sad I didn't notice. 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:51.320 Meanwhile, you never are, but I'll just say it was 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:52.440 just very black. 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.200 Pilgrimy like, you know. 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:57.919 Sort of we like some skin, we want skins. Yeah, 0:59:58.000 --> 0:59:59.760 she just usually is dressed a little bit more. 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:00.680 She that's all. 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.200 And so she's making the argument that even though Gorman 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:06.880 was a monster who absolutely should have been sentenced to 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:10.680 life in prison and died in prison, she cannot prosecute 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:13.920 him because Juliette Barclay went vigilante and no one is. 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.400 Above the law. Murder is murder, no matter who or why. 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:18.320 And you know, we all know our girl Casey takes 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:19.600 that shit very seriously. 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:22.760 And then Grainger is like, I agree with everything. 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:25.920 Miss Novak is saying, here's the thing, we don't know 1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:30.240 who killed him. There's another suspect, someone with means, motive, 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:34.960 an opportunity, and that person is Detective Olivia Benson. This 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:37.560 up is so fucking wild. This guy's fully just trying 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:40.640 to frame Olivia for this not really, you know, I 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:42.720 don't think he would ever say that she really really 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:45.040 did it, But he's trying to create reasonable doubt because 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:48.080 she did have all this access and it really could 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:48.480 have been her. 1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:49.240 On the timeline. 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.800 Novak objects as like objection in the whole court room 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.600 is like hub hub hub hub. While we're on Olivia's 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:59.880 face as we go out to commercial coming back act 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:03.280 for at the precinct, Novak's like, I know what he's doing. 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:06.040 He's trying to create reasonable doubt. Why don't you just admit, 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:08.120 go on the stand, admit you screwed up and went 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:11.160 to the hotel alone, but testify that you didn't kill him. 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:14.520 And then Novak walks away and lives like she didn't 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.240 even ask me if I did it. And then she 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:18.600 says to Stabler and neither did you, and Stabler goes, 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:20.360 I know you didn't do it. You would have shot 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.160 the bastard. So I like that they know each other 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:24.120 that well. But also she might not have shot him 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:26.640 because it's well, actually, yeah, what she could have done 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:31.400 is say he attacked me and shot him. Back in court, 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:34.880 Olivia is testifying, explaining how she was checking with all 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:36.960 these motel desk clerks, and that she was gonna call 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.400 for backup if she got a positive ID. But then 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:42.080 the Lydia Hotel, she went in and the guy goes, yeah, 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.400 he's here, and she was worried he was with another victim, 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:46.840 so she said she ran up there and she saw 1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:49.320 Gorman lying on the floor dead when she walked in. 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:51.640 And when he goes, she says, did you kill him? 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.520 And she goes, I did not kill him, Like it's 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:56.120 very it's very believable, I think, but maybe that's just 1:01:56.120 --> 1:02:01.120 because I'm obsessed with Olivia Benson. Now on cross examination, 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:03.720 Granger's not pulling any punches. He brings up the fact 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.720 that six victims were taken because Olivia didn't believe Hillary, 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.800 and she's like, well, actually that happened because Gorman is 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:12.960 a psychopath. And he's still like just leaning into the 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:15.040 like you did it angle, and he's like, why didn't 1:02:15.040 --> 1:02:16.920 you radio for backup? And she's like, I was about 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.080 to the desk clerk, and he goes, but the desk 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:21.240 clerk said there was ten minutes between your arrival and 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:24.480 your partner's arrival, And she's like, that guy was playing 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:28.840 cards to fucking he doesn't notice anything like who like irrelevant, 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:32.120 and then he brings up how Benson has quote unquote 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.480 murdered to other people, and she goes, I shot two 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:37.240 suspects who were armed and about to commit murder, and 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:41.800 he's like, hmm, two killings, no charges, third times a charm. 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:45.160 At the precinct, they're all brainstorming because this isn't really 1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:47.400 looking very good, Like they're trying to figure out, like 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:51.920 how we can get the jury to disregard that it 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.120 could have been Olivia, like even if there's a small, 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:57.000 small chance. That's the whole concept of reasonable doubt right there. 1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:00.120 And so munch Waltz is in with this little nerd 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:02.680 man who's so cute and like looks so excited to 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:06.720 be there, and he is a forensics metallurgist and when 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:09.920 so he knows about metals and shit. So apparently when 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:13.320 the knife stabbed Gorman, it left traces of a metal 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.160 on his sternum and the metal was gold, and this 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.400 little dork is like so excited, he's how often do 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:20.400 you think he gets called? He was probably like, yes, 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:23.960 I'm useful, and he says a bunch of nerd shit 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.880 and then finally reveals that the knife is from the 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:29.960 mid ninth century, and Benson and Stabler are like, yeah, 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:32.280 like one you might find at Juliette's antique shop. 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:34.080 So now we're at the antique shop. 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:36.160 This is another episode where there's just so much going on, 1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:38.960 so many locations at the antique shop, where with qut 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:43.080 o'hallerin rip and he's there scanning knife after knife of 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:46.680 all these antiquity all these antique knives for blood, and 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:47.360 he's striking out. 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:48.760 He's like, sorry, I haven't found anything. 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:53.000 Then Finn comes out of nowhere with some Indiana Jones 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:55.120 knife that he found under the sink and boom, it's 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:57.360 been cleaned, but it definitely has blood on it and 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.680 there's some blood in like the carvings on the handle. 1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:03.840 Back in court, Granger is still trying to implicate Benson 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:06.720 in his cross examination of Hillary, but Hillary's like, my 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:09.400 mom couldn't have done it, And when they confront her 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:11.880 with the whole knife thing, she confesses she's like, I 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:13.720 did it. I stole the knife from my mom's store 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.600 and I used it to castrate and kill Gorman. And 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:18.840 she tells her mom, you don't have to protect me anymore, 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:20.840 and she says she still has a key to the 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:22.840 store because she used to steal some of the shit 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.240 from her mom's store to sell for drugs, and that's 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:27.520 how she got access. And they've all got a story. 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:30.400 Everybody's got all their details wrapped up. So then Novak 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:33.640 goes to the bench with Granger and is like to Petrovsky, 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:36.160 you got to give me a mistrial, like the we can't, 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:39.240 you know, as they say, too loud a bell to unring, 1:04:39.400 --> 1:04:43.080 like we can't. We can't make the jury not have 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:46.440 heard this confession. Oh, and then so Petrovski asked Novak, 1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:50.040 do you have reasonable doubt about Juliette being guilty? And 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:52.600 she goes, I have to admit that I do, And 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:55.200 then she that leaves no choice but for the people 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:59.439 to dismiss the case against juliet Barclay, which means double 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:01.960 jeopardy as attached and she cannot be tried again for 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:05.120 this crime. But now they have to arrest Hillary. So 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:08.080 Olivia is saying, I know Hillary made her own choices, 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:09.560 but it doesn't mean I have to be happy about 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:12.360 her going away for murder. And then Novak enters and goes, 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:16.120 she's not and Juliete's attorney just shared this with me, 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:19.040 and it's this VHS tape, which is what that is. 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:21.280 In case you're like twenty and you haven't don't know 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:25.120 what that is, it's a VHS tape. So next scene 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:29.480 we see is Olivia standing in the interrogate into in 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:32.959 a cell in the holding cell, going, VENTI whole milk 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:36.920 latte sounds like a lot of dairy and she says 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:39.000 that to Hillary and she. 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:39.960 Goes, the whole milk. 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:42.800 Yeah, a whole milk in a latte, that's like all 1:05:42.880 --> 1:05:46.160 that's like tea that sounds like a fart. And so 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:49.680 she goes, that's what you ordered at the coffee shop 1:05:49.680 --> 1:05:51.200 when your mother murdered Gorman. 1:05:51.440 --> 1:05:52.080 We saw you. 1:05:52.640 --> 1:05:55.200 We can't arrest your mom now because of Double Jeopardy, 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:57.880 and Hillary's like, I don't mind going to jail for 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:00.640 castrating him. So we know Hillary's the one that did castration, 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:03.600 but we think now we know that her mom's the 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:06.400 one that did the killing. She followed him for days 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:08.600 to kill him, but he saw her on the subway. 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:11.320 She confronted him and said he was she was going 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:12.880 to tell the whole world what he did. And he 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:15.320 said go ahead. No one's gonna believe a whoring junkie. 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:15.760 Ugh. 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:19.000 She hits him and drags him back to the platform, 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:21.240 and she goes, I had the perfect chance to kill him, 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.480 but I realized castration would make him suffer even more. 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:26.360 And then she just said I couldn't let my mother 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:28.440 go to jail. And then Novak was like, yeah, but 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:30.440 she belongs there, and no one gives you the right 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:35.600 to lie or your mother to murder, and Samantha Mathis goes, well, 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:38.240 he'll never torture another woman again, will. 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:39.800 He seems more important? 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.720 Yeah, and that's dick wolf Baby. 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:45.080 I've said this once and I'll say it again. I 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:49.680 am pro vigilante justice. Yeah, thank you, Kara, and I 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:54.400 think you'll all be saddened by how much overlap with 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:55.320 the real thing I have. 1:06:55.600 --> 1:06:58.240 I am going into this totally blind. I know nothing 1:06:58.240 --> 1:06:59.680 about this case, so I'm excited. 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:14.640 All right, we'll see you guys soon. Okay, So this 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.640 case I've actually been wanting to cover for a very 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:22.000 very long time because it has one of my favorite 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:24.920 slash least favorite things, which is cops fucking up. 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:26.400 Over and over and over again. 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:30.040 And so we have an Olivia Benson moment here where 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:34.240 all these women were not believed. And so I've wanted 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:37.880 to cover this because not that I get glee or satisfaction, 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:42.680 but I do. I'd like to talk about why cops suck. Yeah, 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:44.160 I do. I wish I wasn't true. 1:07:44.360 --> 1:07:48.439 I wish we did the Alaskan butcher Baker butcher guy 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:48.920 or whatever. 1:07:48.960 --> 1:07:50.400 And it was like one of the only. 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:52.040 Reasons they believe the girl they found there was because 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.200 she was like naked in the fucking middle of the 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:56.720 highway with like a tire iron around her neck or 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:58.800 something like that. It's like that's but they're like, well, 1:07:58.840 --> 1:08:01.120 that does look kind of weird. I guess we can believe. 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:03.320 This girl, you know, Like, yeah, I mean the fact 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.000 that they didn't like search thoroughly at Kemper's house and 1:08:06.000 --> 1:08:09.120 there was a head in his closet, like, oh. 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:11.880 My god, I would I wish it wasn't true, but 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:13.880 it does. You know. 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:17.280 I like having ammunition for myself when I have to 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:20.120 get into arguments or any sort of situations out in 1:08:20.160 --> 1:08:23.360 the world, to like have these cases to be like, no, 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:27.080 they fuck up constantly, and let's stop calling them heroes 1:08:27.080 --> 1:08:28.000 and giving them parades. 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:29.320 Like do your fucking jobs. 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:33.840 So anyways, this happens in the suburbs of Syracuse, New York. 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:39.639 The criminal here we're talking about is John Jamelski. He's 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:42.800 a retired handy man and he was a well known eccentric, 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:45.280 so a freak. Okay, he was known as a resident 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:49.960 crank and freak, a Republican who rarely missed an election. 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:52.479 So I don't know, he's like a Karen you know, 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:56.200 junk hording like Gorris Horman. 1:08:56.479 --> 1:09:02.560 He was. He was very into pigeon feeding. Oh Jesus, yeah. 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:05.680 You're if you feed pigeons in Venice, I don't care 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:08.400 where you're doing it. You are feeding rats, you are 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:11.760 feeding flying rats. I do not think it's cute to 1:09:11.800 --> 1:09:14.720 put bird seed on yourself in San Marco Piazza in 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:17.240 Venice and have a bunch of rats eat it off 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:19.680 of your jacket. And I stand by that. 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:23.120 No one just doing well in life, is, you know, 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:24.480 summoning pigeons. 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:25.920 It's not happening. 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.040 And so yeah, the town thought he was irksome, but 1:09:28.160 --> 1:09:31.559 like he was seldom menacing, like no one, no one 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:35.080 was scared of him. But we're also not talking casual 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:38.679 junk hoarding. We're talking. The police when they got into 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:41.799 his home found thirteen thousand bottles. 1:09:42.400 --> 1:09:46.160 Oh my god. And it's a well to do suburbs. 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:48.639 So like when the crimes came out, it was kind 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:51.000 of like shocking. I know what you're thinking, Cara. I 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:53.479 know what you're thinking. You don't have to be get 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:58.000 We're on the zoom. I see your face. Tell them. 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:01.160 I was just gonna bring up when I moved Lisa 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:04.759 out of her LA apartment, I did find no, nowhere 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:08.360 close to thirteen thousand, but I found probably two dozen 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:10.400 water bottles with one zip left. 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:16.800 Yeah, it's comforting, just drewn about. 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:21.280 Yeah, I'm right now, I'm looking at four Yeah, okay, 1:10:21.520 --> 1:10:25.240 well then so yeah, getting better and better, oh, getting better, 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:27.280 and they all have just a little bit. 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:29.800 My car is filled with bottles. I don't know what 1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:30.120 it is. 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:33.559 I'll bring it up in therapy next week, but I yeah, 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:36.960 I don't know why I need bottles around me in 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:42.000 my car, just crunching around. So this guy, you know, 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:44.800 we're talking about what a weirdo, what a junk guy, 1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:45.360 or like what? 1:10:45.840 --> 1:10:47.479 He is a horrific man. 1:10:47.920 --> 1:10:50.800 He kidnapped five women and girls and kept them as 1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:54.640 sex slaves and a homemade bunker. The concrete bunker was 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:58.559 two rooms and barren. He built it in nineteen eighty 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.519 eight and it was linked to his basement by his 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:06.240 seven foot long tunnel underneath his backyard. And they later 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:08.720 did ask the man who delivered all the concrete, like, 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:12.040 what did you think was happening? He's like, I don't 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:17.679 know some rooms, So concrete high was not suspicious. Town 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.880 officials of course, that they never knew about the underground structures, 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:22.760 but it would be crazy if they did, like, what. 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:28.080 You're not going to register? Yeah, kid, that's getting Yeah, Hi, 1:11:28.160 --> 1:11:31.960 I'm here to permit my rape. Dungep what's the fee? 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:32.920 Can I write a check? 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:36.280 And his go to answer if anyone asked about it, 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:39.200 he said it was a storm shelter. Anyone that has 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:42.520 crawled through it. Post investigation everything said, you know, it's windowless, 1:11:43.040 --> 1:11:48.559 dank and claustrophobic and utterly terrifying. So it was a 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:52.679 twelve by twelve room and it was eight feet high, 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:55.240 and there was graffiti. I wonder who he got to 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:56.800 do some graffiti art down there. 1:11:57.400 --> 1:11:59.320 He's like, I have a banksy down there. 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:05.599 So just so and again like disgusting, there's no comforts. 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:08.040 There was a strip of foam for sleeping, a television 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:11.680 set and a bible, and then the second room had 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:14.720 a portable toilet and then a bathtub that was filled with. 1:12:14.680 --> 1:12:15.559 A garden hose. 1:12:16.479 --> 1:12:20.719 And the Daily News called him the Dungeon Dragon, which 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.000 sounds like something that Jared would like to be called in. 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:26.480 No, and also that's too cool of a name, Like, yeah, 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:29.320 you're not the dungeon Dragon. Yeah, Like that's gonna make 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:33.320 him sound like he's dungeons. Dragons aren't real, So that's like, 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:36.280 all right, well we got Karra while and out. I 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:38.760 just don't I don't like giving somebody like a name 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.599 like Ted Bundy was like the Mountain Murderer. Like, it's 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.360 not like a cool thing to give someone a nickname. 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:47.400 I agree, agree, agree, So. 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.600 Basically, he would snatch women off the streets over a 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:55.679 span of fifteen years from eighty eight to two thousand 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:59.400 and two, and literal snatching okay, this isn't hyperbole. 1:12:59.520 --> 1:12:59.960 Snatching. 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:03.679 He would cruise in his Mercury comment and seeking women 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.040 from the wrong side of the tracks. So again, picking 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:09.240 women that no one would believe or care about or miss. 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:12.519 He imprisoned them, raped them, and he kept one of 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:16.439 them as long as three years. The victim's age range 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:19.000 was about fourteen to fifty three years old. 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:20.920 Three teenagers and two women. 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:25.600 He picked up runaways, atticts, young girls with no strong anchors. 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:32.120 His wife lived upstairs the whole time, just like Fritzel. Yeah, 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:34.599 the wife lived upstairs the whole time he had victims. 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:38.000 And not only was she just upstairs chilling, she had cancer. 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:41.599 And he started doing this after he couldn't have sex 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:42.879 with his wife who had cancer. 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:45.120 So he that's like the catalyst. 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:48.960 So if his wife didn't have cancer, so let's blame 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:53.000 this cancer woman. I mean, now this is from the 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:56.280 Daily News, so I don't know how credible the Daily 1:13:56.360 --> 1:13:59.760 News is or not. But in the eighties it said 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:02.519 that he had an open affair with a teenager who 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:07.000 he brought to family functions as his wife sat by awkwardly. 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:11.800 So yeah, I mean, maybe he was abusive to her too, 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:14.559 you know, like maybe she was like a person that 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:17.920 was like I can't but the whole family events bringing it, 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:20.680 I know, like because everyone's like, oh, he's just the 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:23.760 silly guy of grump of a guy with cans and 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:26.400 it's like, but he is doing weird. 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:28.400 Shit, Like I have had a fan, I've had a 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:33.599 family member bring a affair to a family event but 1:14:33.640 --> 1:14:36.960 their wife was not there. We all were there and 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:40.920 we're like, this is your friend, but the wife was 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:42.599 not there, which is. 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:46.439 Even fuck because now that's implying and implicating all of you. 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:49.160 Now you have to hold this your family members lie. 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:51.200 Because we had a friend who would always cheat all 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.600 the time, and I had to have kind of a 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:56.760 u an intervention with him because I was like, it's 1:14:56.800 --> 1:14:59.400 not fair. We're hanging out with this girl constantly want 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:01.840 us to be friend with her, and yet we know 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:04.320 you're openly cheating on her, and it's not fair to us. 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:06.160 Like I don't like to be put in this position. 1:15:06.760 --> 1:15:08.280 And I was like, and you have to stop like 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:09.960 lying to all of us. And then he lied to 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:12.400 me while I was doing an intervention about him lying 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:14.360 and cheating, and I go, I know you're lying to 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:15.040 me right now. 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:16.680 He goes, oh you knew about that. 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:18.600 I go, that's what I'm trying to tell you, Like 1:15:19.320 --> 1:15:21.640 here lying to your friends and we all know and 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:23.680 we talk to each other and it's fucked up. 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:26.640 But whatever, people have problems. 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:31.920 So anyways, and this relationship with the teen I guess 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:34.360 inspired his new kidnapping rape hobby. 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:35.160 I don't know. 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:37.920 His wife did eventually die of cancer, and then he 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:41.800 continued the crime, So you can't really blame because you 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:43.840 can't fuck your cancer written wife. And then when she's 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:45.559 dead and you could cheat on her. Also, you're already 1:15:45.600 --> 1:15:47.599 having affairs. I mean, I don't know why I'm asking. 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:49.120 I don't know why I'm asking this guy to like 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:51.160 a moral high grounder, makes sense in any of his 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:54.439 behaviors or ethics. Like, I'm just confused why people in 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:58.599 the town we were shocked about this when it seems 1:15:58.640 --> 1:16:02.559 like he was a shitty guy before the crimes came out. 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.840 He said that he would hold his victims captive to 1:16:09.200 --> 1:16:12.840 avoid STDs because he needed a cheat, but he didn't 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:17.200 want to get STDs, so that's why he held him captive. 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:19.760 I mean, you can explain anything away if you're a psychopath, 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:23.880 would chain the women to a to a steal like 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:27.559 rod for twelve hours or more a day, and then 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:28.679 you know, obviously raped. 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:29.479 I already mentioned that. 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:31.800 I don't know, I mentioned it again, and like in 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:34.320 the show, he determined when the women could bathe, sleep, 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:36.559 and when they were forced to have sex. He had 1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:40.680 total control over their lives, said County Sheriff Kevin E. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:41.360 Walsh. 1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:43.880 He also said that in his forty years on the 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:47.960 job that this is the most bizarre case and that 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:50.360 seems to make light of what happened. Bizarre isn't the 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:54.840 word that I did. Yeah, how about horrific? How about yeah, 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:56.960 humanity at its bottom? 1:16:57.400 --> 1:17:02.559 Yeah? Bizarre? You know what's that's not bizarre? Right? Yeah? 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:06.160 In elementary school, we our principal's name was doctor mister bizarre. 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:07.559 I don't know, well, I don't know. I was about 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:10.600 to say doctor. He was just a mister, mister mister bizarre. 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:13.120 I love that. That's a fun I think he was 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:16.479 a good principal. I didn't really have any issues with 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:20.439 him anyways. But after he would get tired of each woman, 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:24.519 he would blindfold them and return her home and of 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:26.479 course did the classic if you go to the cops, 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:29.000 I'll kill you and kill your family and whatever threats. 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:32.479 But he wasn't a killer. And so that's like a 1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:38.720 strange thing. And I would like to see studies, psychology 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:41.880 information on this type of behavior of. 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:45.880 The letting go. I'm curious, yeah, because it is a risk. 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:49.559 Yeah for some people like Ted Bundy. The thrill was 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:52.080 all in the murdering. And I think this man is 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:56.080 a rapist and he does he Yeah, he just a 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:58.040 lot of times I think that a rapist will kill 1:17:58.200 --> 1:17:59.280 just to cover their tracks. 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.960 And I guess he thought, I'm scary enough. If I 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:07.040 scare them, they'll never go to the cops. Yeah. 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:11.280 So September nineteen eighty eight, he lured fourteen year old 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:14.800 victim into his car. Her family reported her missing, but 1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:17.280 then they were shocked when she just came home in 1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:21.080 nineteen eighty nine. So the victim later said that he 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.519 threatened to kill her brother, so she lied and said 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:26.080 she had run away from home. And then in nineteen 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:28.920 ninety five, he kidnapped his next teenage victim, so there 1:18:28.960 --> 1:18:29.759 was long breaks. 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:32.400 It was another fourteen year old victim. 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:35.000 She was held for two years, and when she went 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:37.880 home she told her mother, but was so terrified that 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:39.080 she didn't report the crime. 1:18:39.840 --> 1:18:40.360 Wow. 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:43.920 In nineteen ninety seven, he abducted his third victim, a 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:47.639 fifty three year old Vietnamese immigrant, and she was held 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.719 for five months. She went to the police but said 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:53.519 cops were skeptical of her allegations and only made a 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:54.840 cursory investigation. 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:56.639 I wonder if. 1:18:56.520 --> 1:18:59.000 There was like a language barrier two and the cops 1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:00.559 were just like, we don't know what you know what 1:19:00.600 --> 1:19:02.600 I mean, like in Syracuse, Like I don't know if 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:05.040 they got like a Vietnamese interpreter, you know. 1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:07.840 Yeah, oh, or they were a racist too. You're giving 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:09.120 him a more. 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:11.720 Credit than I think they did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:14.160 in the episode there was a Cambodian immigrant, you know, 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:16.040 So it's like, yeah. 1:19:15.840 --> 1:19:18.680 Yeah, this is really a lot of parallels to the 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:21.679 episode where like very closely Neil Behar I think found 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:26.600 this information and a gave it a close close rewrite. 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:28.160 So in two. 1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:30.840 Thousand and one, his wife died and he grabbed his 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:33.920 fourth victim, who was a single mother who was twenty 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:35.800 six years old at the time. And for me, I'm like, 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:38.679 what happened to the kid? She's a single mom. 1:19:39.280 --> 1:19:39.719 Yeah. 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.320 She hurried to the police after she was released after 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:45.120 two months, and she didn't know his name or address, 1:19:45.200 --> 1:19:47.640 and since she was blindfolded, like she didn't have the 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:52.400 information that they needed, but did give a very helpful tip. 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:55.160 She told them the car was a nineteen seventy five 1:19:55.240 --> 1:20:00.200 Mercury comment. Okay, so there was one in the area. Yeah, 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:04.040 but it was someone else's. His was in nineteen seventy four. 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:07.599 But the cops didn't bother to broaden their records or search, 1:20:07.800 --> 1:20:09.759 not even a little bit to help find this person. 1:20:10.560 --> 1:20:13.760 Like what the fuck, Oh my god, they. 1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:16.200 Would just believe this eyewitness account of a nineteen ninety 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:19.240 five and it was a ninety four, like lazy, lazy, 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:22.200 And at this point he was sixty seven, and so 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:27.280 he was popping viagraa daily to maintain an obsessive rape regime. 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:31.639 October two thousand and two, he took his next victim, 1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:36.040 a sixteen year old who he called Mika. He got 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:39.120 caught because of this victim. She was sixteen years old. 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:41.559 She was held capture for four to six months, but 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:44.160 she managed to call her sister when he took her 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:47.080 along on an errand to his weekly visit to the 1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:49.799 bottle depot to hand in his cans and bottles. 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:53.040 I'm surprised he's parting with cans and bottles. I thought 1:20:53.040 --> 1:20:57.679 he was collecting them, that's I know. Oh my god, 1:20:58.000 --> 1:20:58.880 he had so many. 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:01.919 It was his like main was collecting cans and bottles, 1:21:02.520 --> 1:21:05.519 and I've been making money off of them and hoarding them. 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:08.240 I just I just don't get how I get it 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:11.280 because the cops suck. But like to have people that 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:14.080 are this dirty and careless and gross to be able 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:17.400 to get away with such like horrific rhymes for so long, 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:21.760 it's so strange to me. But she convinced him that 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:24.400 she was under his spell, and he believed that they 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:26.400 were friends, and so he allowed her out of the 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:28.960 bunker and into the house, still with padlocks, but like 1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:31.720 they had a thing going, and he started to take 1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:35.839 her out on outings, bowling bar where she's saying, karaoke, 1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:39.800 and always the Bottle Redemption Center was his number one 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:43.280 hangout spot. So April ninth, two thousand and three, she 1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:46.160 managed to like finangle a brief call to her sister 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:48.960 while they were at this bottle depot. She asked to 1:21:49.040 --> 1:21:51.120 use the phone to call a church, and he fell 1:21:51.160 --> 1:21:53.360 for it, and I bet that's like ego thinking that 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:56.160 she was under his spell. The girl actually called her 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:59.040 sister and he was arrested as he as he and 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.599 this girl sat in his car, so he was busted. 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:04.040 On April third, two thousand and three. Well the other 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:06.800 news said April ninth, So April two thousand and three. 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:09.719 I don't know if it was the Alliance or maybe. Yeah, 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:12.200 I have no idea. Like that's why it's hard, no 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:14.320 matter how credible the sources are. It's like, I don't 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:16.320 know how credible they are. How are their two fucking 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:20.320 different dates to his apprehension. Yeah, it's annoying. Okay, So 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:22.200 the bottle guy is the worst and has the worst 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:24.280 quote ever, And he was like, oh, I was so shocked. 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:26.400 Like I've known John forever. I like, John comes with 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:28.839 his bottles every fucking week, so he was a regular. 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:31.280 But this is the bottle guy's quote, and this is 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:34.440 from the New York Times. I feel bad for the victims, 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:36.840 but I also feel bad for John. I know there's 1:22:36.880 --> 1:22:38.320 a good guy in there somewhere. 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:43.920 Yeah, Like, let's hut the bottle though it's so ingrained 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.479 to try to find like an excuse for like a 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:49.920 fellow man, like I really do think that. How do 1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:52.240 you want to find goodness in someone that kidnapped and 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.120 raped five people? Like I don't get it. 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:58.920 Yeah, built a bunker, calculated, held for months, threatened. 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:01.120 Yeah, we didn't just like. 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:03.760 He also didn't just like transform his basement, like he 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.840 dug a tunnel every day. That man went in and 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:09.040 dug a fucking tunnel and was like this is for 1:23:09.280 --> 1:23:13.240 my rape dungeon, like every day, like he was committed 1:23:13.280 --> 1:23:13.839 to this. 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:16.519 And this bottle guy's like, I feel bad for him? 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:19.200 What about the good parts of his personality? Like what 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:20.880 the fuck are you even talking about? 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:21.400 Yeah? 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:23.760 Why In the days after his arrest, he really didn't 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:26.080 deem any of his behavior wrong and thought the sex 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:29.680 was consensual. But if it's consensual, why do you need 1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:32.280 to lock someone up? Like what are we what is happening? 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:34.920 But didn't Fritzel say something like that too. He was 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:36.920 kind of like my daughter wanted it or I needed 1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:38.920 to do it to keep my daughter like safe from 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:39.759 the rest of the world. 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:43.040 Like they all have fucking some wacko idea. 1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:46.439 Also, in the days after the rest, three other women 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:49.000 came forward to say they two were being held hostage 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:52.000 and sexually abused in the bunker, which leads to the 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:54.240 question of whether the police did all they could to 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:58.240 stop and prevent these crimes. Two years before he was apprehended, 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:01.640 one victim told them about her experts. Kate Flannery, a 1:24:01.720 --> 1:24:04.360 director of the Rape Crisis Center of Syracuse, said that 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:07.320 the victim in question was a substance abuser and had 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.320 trouble convincing the authorities that her tale was the truth. 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:12.320 The cops say. 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.600 They couldn't do much because she didn't know where or 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:17.280 by who, And it's like, yeah, you're supposed. 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:17.920 To figure that out. 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:22.720 You're expecting a kidnap victim to give you the address, Like, 1:24:22.760 --> 1:24:26.719 what are you talking about. Also, what I think hindred 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:29.320 the case was there's a six foot fence that was 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:33.320 built around his property by a developer who owned nice 1:24:33.360 --> 1:24:37.240 houses around his shittys house with all this junk and cans, 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:40.160 and so they it made the neighborhood look bad. So 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:43.840 these developers built a fortress around his house so no 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:45.600 one could see what he was doing. So it was 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.320 kind of like he had secrecy too. And then they 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:51.840 also found dozens of photographs of girls that the authorities 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:54.680 still need to identify. So we just know about the 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:57.240 victims that we know about, but like there were photos 1:24:57.280 --> 1:25:00.360 of other women and he's a victim blamer, obvious. He 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.639 said that these women were very promiscuous and they manipulated him, 1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:08.120 he told the Syracuse Post Standard. No I never considered 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:12.880 anybody a kidnap victim because he didn't demand cash ransoms 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:15.439 and he knew it was wrong. He just thought it 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:20.439 was detaining somebody or unlawful imprisonment, not kidnapping. So he's 1:25:20.439 --> 1:25:23.679 playing semantics games with crimes. I mean, he's a bad cycle. 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:27.760 He's a Teresa Judas like honestly, the first chief Assistant 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:31.840 District Attorney, Rick trun Feo, said that he is that 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:32.559 this guy. 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:35.960 Jake Jamalki or what are John whatever his name is. 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:39.920 He's a very controlling, very manipulative, and very smart guy. 1:25:40.439 --> 1:25:42.280 He knows that legally. 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:44.559 He's done something wrong, but I don't think in his 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:46.960 heart he really thinks he's done anything wrong. So that 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:51.599 was the district attorney. That's that Jamalski took a plea agreement, 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:54.120 and because of that, it didn't include charges of rape, 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:58.479 even though it like it is rape, but he didn't 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:01.040 want to be charged for rape because he didn't believe it. 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:05.760 So he took this plea deal because he's still going 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:08.080 to be there for life. So it's like, yeah, it's 1:26:08.160 --> 1:26:11.040 kind of like if no one has to take the stand, 1:26:11.160 --> 1:26:14.320 there's no trial. He's going to be locked up, and 1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:16.280 maybe it wasn't. 1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:19.040 If you don't have to put the woman through testifying, 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:24.200 I guess that's worth it. Yeah, but I obviously understand 1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:28.120 like the disappointment of not being charged with things that 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:31.040 you obviously did, and it would probably be like per 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:32.280 rape as well. 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:34.840 You know, it would be a lot of charges. But 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:37.439 after months and months he did admit. He's like, well, 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:40.879 I did some things wrong, and the judge greed obviously, 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:43.960 So yeah, he pled guilty, and at his sentencing he 1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:46.759 cried and asked for leniency and said he was sorry 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:49.400 and like about how it affected, but the judge did 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:54.160 not give a fuck. Love Judge Anthony Alloy, who rejected 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:56.519 his requests and said that he hoped that he died 1:26:56.600 --> 1:26:59.280 in prison. So I love that, And the judge said 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:03.439 called him a sick coward. He said, you're an evil man. 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:07.760 You are a kidnapper and rapist, a master manipulator of 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:11.559 people and the truth. But your reign of terror is over. 1:27:12.439 --> 1:27:14.840 Like does a judge plan that? Like does he rehearse it? 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:15.599 Like? 1:27:15.840 --> 1:27:19.599 Is he waited for this moment to fucking rip at someone? 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:19.960 Yeah? 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:22.640 I think they probably write their comments out right. I 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.280 don't probably do. I think they probably write their like 1:27:25.439 --> 1:27:27.640 final comments. I don't think that many judges are like 1:27:27.640 --> 1:27:29.639 good at imbrov or Exteparani's speaking. 1:27:29.720 --> 1:27:31.840 But maybe he so. 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:35.600 The judge gave him eighteen to life, but could have 1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:38.360 given him one hundred and twenty five years. But he 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:41.960 took the plea, but it's still eighteen to life. He 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:45.240 had a possibility for parole in twenty twenty one. That's 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:49.400 a tease. Stay tuned, give me a second. So he's 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:53.679 like eighty six around twenty twenty one. Part of the plea, though, 1:27:53.800 --> 1:27:56.120 is that his assets are to be used to compensate 1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:59.519 his victims. And you're thinking of this junkyard fool, where 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:02.800 did he have money? This is like the show. Even 1:28:02.840 --> 1:28:05.519 though he was a junkyard bottleman, he was not poor. 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:09.760 He actually had around a million dollars in mostly real 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:12.920 estate investments, and all the money went to the victims. 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:17.040 Wow, that's great. Yeah, that's like silver little silver lining. 1:28:17.720 --> 1:28:21.880 There's also rumor that he inherited money, and he also 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:24.599 got a giant payday when the developers bought the land 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:27.479 around his place to build luxury homes. So that's like 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:30.439 where his money came from. So the proceeds from the 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:34.599 house sale also went to the victims, and the bunker 1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:38.439 was demolished, but so that money also went there. He 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:42.719 is now currently at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dana Mora, New. 1:28:42.640 --> 1:28:45.240 York, Oh. Escape from Dana Mora Baby. 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:49.080 Yes, and you mentioned that case in this episode about 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:50.839 the wall, the empty wall, and like what's. 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:53.519 Going on else? Yeah, So I. 1:28:53.479 --> 1:28:56.840 Found an article from February ninth, twenty twenty one about 1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:00.719 his virtual parole hearing that happened December fifteenth, twenty twenty. 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.639 They denied his parole. Of course, he still. 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:07.599 Denies he did anything wrong and refuses treatment. And that's 1:29:07.760 --> 1:29:10.160 basically it, like they need you to learn a lesson. 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:13.800 The were Parole Board ruled that his release would be 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:18.640 incompatible with the welfare of society. Also, after being in 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:22.559 prison for eighteen years, he did state I had a bunker, 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:24.800 and people knew I had a bunker. We partied a 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:27.040 lot there, and I was approached every now and then 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:28.920 by someone that said it would be a good idea 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:31.280 for a friend of hers that's a runaway to be 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.920 there rather than out on the streets and that they 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.320 came and as a trade off, we had sex. 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:40.120 That's so fucking dexter new Blood, because the guy would 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:42.160 get these girls that were runaways and be like, you 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:44.080 want a nice warm bed, you want a bottle of 1:29:44.160 --> 1:29:47.160 champagne and some strawberries, And they were like they thought 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:48.520 they hit the fucking jackpot. 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:49.280 Oh my god. 1:29:51.160 --> 1:29:54.080 He also made requests in his official prison record to 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:56.960 state certain things, and none of them really I don't understand. 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.479 But he wanted everyone to know that he gave his 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:01.080 victims scented candles. 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:03.240 Wow, oh thanks for that. 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:06.160 Yeah, and that he's like, oh, and I still have 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:09.240 contacts with the victims once they left, like we're friends. 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:12.519 Like he truly does not pe a person, like there's 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:15.759 nothing really to it. I'm not. I'm not the bottle 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:18.120 dispense guy. I don't see much good, monk. 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:23.599 The only thing he closely got to admitting was that 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:26.800 maybe he caused them direct harm, and he said, I 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:31.040 probably inadvertently. Probably, yes, yes, I could have talked them 1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:34.400 into returning to their families sooner. But when it did happen, 1:30:34.560 --> 1:30:36.960 you know, they gathered their stuff together, we jumped in 1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:41.040 a car and I drove them to their families like what, Sorry, 1:30:41.040 --> 1:30:42.760 I make him sound like a valley girl if you 1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:43.320 google him? 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:44.840 Why would you? Why would you? 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:48.600 Fucking why is there a lock on the door done like, 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:51.240 you know, to protect them? 1:30:51.400 --> 1:30:56.920 You know it's it's yeah, yeah, it's it's fucking insane, insane. 1:30:56.479 --> 1:30:59.200 It's nonsense. But that's what I got for you, guys. 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:02.760 I hope you hated every second of it. And I 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:05.640 hate him and I hate the police, but I'm impressed 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:10.280 with Dick Wolf and Sview and Neil Baert to create 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:12.400 such an intertwined episode. 1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:15.040 Yeah, thank you so much Lisa for all of that. 1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:18.720 And stick around because we have an amazing interview coming up, 1:31:26.240 --> 1:31:29.960 you guys. I was truly gagged when this guest said 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:32.639 that they would do our podcast. She has a resume 1:31:32.680 --> 1:31:35.320 that you would not believe. I grew up watching her. 1:31:36.200 --> 1:31:39.360 She was the star of movies like Pump Up the Volume. 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:42.080 She was a voice Infermully, she was in the original 1:31:42.080 --> 1:31:45.759 Little Women and American Psycho, and recently had a recurring 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:50.559 role on Billions. She's truly working, booked, blessed, and so talented. 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:54.519 And you guys knew her today as Hillary Barclay. Guys, 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:56.639 the one and only Samantha Mathis. 1:31:57.720 --> 1:31:58.040 Yay. 1:31:58.280 --> 1:32:01.640 Oh my gosh, Samantha, we cannot believe we're talking to 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:03.040 an SVU queen. 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:06.160 Oh my goodness, thank you. I guess I have been 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:07.280 on the show a few times. 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:09.960 Yeah, and you're never a tiny part. 1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:13.280 In fact, I remember when I watched Swimming with Sharks, 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:16.160 that the most recent one you did. When I saw 1:32:16.200 --> 1:32:17.840 your name in the credits and then the way that 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:19.840 they were sort of like not featuring you at the beginning, 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:21.360 I was like, oh, well, now I just know she 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:24.160 did this, Like I know that she's involved, because they're 1:32:24.200 --> 1:32:26.840 not bringing Samantha Mathis in to just be an assistant 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:29.160 that I see in one scene, or like not an assistant, 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:31.519 but like a side character that I see in one scene. 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:34.920 So unfortunately, your celebrity is ruining plot lines. 1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:39.160 Oh well, I suppose that's just how it goes on 1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:41.720 Law and Order. You know, if a certain level of 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:45.519 actors on the show, they are either a perpetrator or victim. 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:47.639 Yep. 1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:50.360 Since we started with that episode, the Swimming with Sharks, 1:32:50.439 --> 1:32:52.000 I really love this scene where you have all these 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:55.479 potions and bottles behind you. Did it look as pretty 1:32:55.720 --> 1:32:58.920 in person or was this just a set and movie magic. 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:01.680 Oh no, it was actually really beautiful. Yeah, I know, 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.240 they they surprised me. I mean, not that they wouldn't 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:07.880 have incredible sense, but yeah, I walked in there and 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:10.840 I was like, oh, nice, nice lab, very very free, 1:33:11.439 --> 1:33:12.920 so many different color potions. 1:33:13.080 --> 1:33:13.479 Yeah. 1:33:13.600 --> 1:33:17.559 Yeah, Well, and then my thing that I just need 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:19.080 to say, you're very very lucky. 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:19.920 And I don't know if you know this. 1:33:20.040 --> 1:33:21.840 You got to work, you got you were there for 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:25.679 the Stabler years, the Amorrow years, and the Kreesi years, 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:28.400 So you got to work with each of the Hunk detectives, 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:32.920 which not very many people can have had time with 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:35.559 each of those men, so kind of thrilling. 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:36.560 Do you have a favorite? 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:42.639 Oh golly, I think they're all hunky and delicious. I'm 1:33:42.720 --> 1:33:45.520 just lucky to keep being asked back over the years. 1:33:46.040 --> 1:33:48.840 Yeah, So, how did like, how did your SVU like 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:51.920 journey start? Like when you did Control season five, the 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:54.479 show's like sort of on a roll, maybe not quite 1:33:54.479 --> 1:33:57.120 as well known as it is now, Like did you 1:33:58.120 --> 1:33:59.960 watch it in advance or were you like, yeah, do 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:03.160 this or you know, was what was the vibe with 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:03.679 that one? 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:07.200 I'm pretty sure at that point Warren Light had been 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:09.479 on the show, and you know, Warren was on it 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:11.240 and then he stepped away from it, and then he 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:15.559 came back to it. So I'm pretty sure because Warren 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:20.160 and I had met when he was looking to produce 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:26.120 another play he'd written after Sideman and then pivoted to 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:28.120 Law and Order. So I'm pretty sure that's when when 1:34:28.160 --> 1:34:29.559 I was asked to do it. But you know what, 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:33.720 with COVID in the last two years, my memory is 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:37.559 just I know, so what is time? Who was I 1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:40.120 in two thousand and five? Who am I now? I 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:46.400 don't know. I was certainly familiar with the show, but 1:34:47.040 --> 1:34:49.559 I hope I don't disappoint anyone. I was never a 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:51.040 weekly junkie. 1:34:51.600 --> 1:34:53.880 That's fine, that's plenty of people. But plenty of. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:58.880 People say but like, it is obviously a notch in 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:03.080 any actors out to be on the mother Ship or 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:06.160 any one of the Law Orders. It's like, as particularly 1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:08.639 if you're a New York actor, which I've now been 1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:13.640 for going on thirteen years, it's like, you can't be 1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:15.160 a New York actor and not get on one of 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:15.920 the Law and Orders. 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:17.679 It's just it's required. 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:21.960 How was the wedding dress photo shoot? 1:35:22.240 --> 1:35:24.120 I wonder if they do you think they photoshopped it? 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:25.680 Or do you think did they make you guys like 1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:26.679 put on wedding dress. 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:30.280 I found it for you. I found there's you and. 1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:35.320 Oh my god, oh my god, wow with the dog 1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:40.120 collar on. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure they 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:42.200 put that wedding dress on me. I'm pretty sure that's 1:35:42.200 --> 1:35:45.400 the real deal. Yeah. 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:48.320 I love that because you're all wearing the same one. 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:50.840 So many actresses must have had to pop into that 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:52.120 thing for a quick photo shoot. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:54.439 They probably had it cut down the back and they 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:57.040 just slipped it on each of us. Yeah, and then 1:35:57.120 --> 1:36:00.120 like took like grip clips and just closed it up 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:00.599 on the back. 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:02.920 Yeah, like when you're shopping for a real wedding dress. 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:04.120 Totally. 1:36:04.400 --> 1:36:07.000 So okay, that's so. 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:10.280 Funny, But so can can I ask more about Jacqueline Bessett, 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:11.599 Like what was it like working with her? 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:13.480 Like I was in silk pajamas. 1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:15.000 I like, there's a scene where you both are in 1:36:15.080 --> 1:36:18.280 silk robes and I really must have been maybe fun 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:19.760 Oh my god. 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:22.040 I mean it was just the whole time was just 1:36:22.080 --> 1:36:24.479 like pinch me. I can't believe I'm acting, but Jacqueline 1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:30.480 is set playing her daughter. She's so classy and beautiful 1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:36.599 and just a total total professional and a class act 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:40.960 a real you know, example of someone who's had incredible 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:45.879 fame and and it's just a grounded good actress. 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:47.160 Yeah, amazing. 1:36:47.240 --> 1:36:51.679 Your episode Reasonable Doubt was pretty star studded too. 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:53.240 You had you There was a bit a lot of 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:58.000 guest actors in it. Did you guys fraternize enjoy each other? 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:02.080 Reasonable Doubt was the one where I was playing a 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:03.599 version of me affair. 1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:05.480 I was like the Woody Allen episode. 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:06.360 Oh my god. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:12.280 Yeah, Bradley Winford and and and Jeffrey and and and 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:18.160 Celia Keenan Bulger, who's like such a genius theater actress. 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:21.000 Yeah, that that was a ridiculous one. There were definitely 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:24.439 some fun days and that, you know they have. Have 1:37:24.520 --> 1:37:26.120 you guys ever visited this set? 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:29.120 Yeah, we started this. 1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:31.800 We started this podcast in COVID, so we're hoping that's 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:32.880 a future visit. 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:35.559 We fan we want to find a bad body. 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:39.599 Well, you know, you should go. Warren Light's on Twitter 1:37:39.840 --> 1:37:42.120 a lot, so you know, maybe you should get on 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:43.880 Twitter and just let him know that we did an 1:37:43.880 --> 1:37:47.120 interview and at him and see if he responds. 1:37:47.160 --> 1:37:51.759 But so yeah, there's like uh uh an area along 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:54.960 hallway with everyone's dressing rooms. 1:37:55.640 --> 1:37:59.200 So that was a fun episode to just you know, 1:37:59.360 --> 1:38:02.840 lots of like being in the hallways and going in 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:07.120 and having chit chats and as people do when you're 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:10.040 shooting and you're in between scenes. But that was definitely 1:38:10.479 --> 1:38:13.680 a star studed collection of people in the hallways. 1:38:14.320 --> 1:38:17.720 Yeah, and you got to do a scene in the courtroom, 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:20.880 which is kind of one of the iconic SVU moments. 1:38:21.680 --> 1:38:23.880 Do they like, is everyone really sitting there or. 1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:26.280 Do they cut the Yeah, film it in sections. 1:38:26.320 --> 1:38:27.120 It's okay, wow. 1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:30.720 I mean they film in one direction and then they 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:35.519 film in the other, but everyone's there. Yeah. I mean, 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:41.600 you know sometimes they'll excuse someone for turnaround purposes. Do 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:44.120 you guys know what that means? Like there's a certain 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:46.400 amount of time that they have to give us off 1:38:46.520 --> 1:38:49.679 between when we finish at the end of the day 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:53.280 and when we come back the next morning, so you 1:38:53.320 --> 1:38:57.160 know it's possible that, Like, I mean, they definitely shoot 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:59.800 the direction of Marishka first. You know they're going to 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:04.479 get but they're gonna get the Queen's coverage first, right, 1:39:05.040 --> 1:39:08.720 So I'm not gonna lie I it may be possible 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:12.599 that by the time they turned around and and it was, 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:15.479 you know, twelve hours later, because these scenes just take 1:39:15.520 --> 1:39:18.800 forever to shoot, you know. I mean, they're sup they're 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:22.960 super fun and iconic, but they're also like every single 1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:26.599 character gets like a wide shot, a medium shot, a 1:39:26.640 --> 1:39:29.080 close up shot, and you know, it's a big show, 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:31.519 so they've got two or three cameras going at the 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:34.519 same time. But what I'm trying to say is it's 1:39:34.720 --> 1:39:38.280 possible that maybe someone wasn't on the other side of 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:43.800 my coverage by the time they got to cross examining me. 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:49.840 And I do recall that they saved my cross examination 1:39:49.920 --> 1:39:53.760 and the direction of the bench and myself for the 1:39:53.800 --> 1:39:57.280 second half of the day, which, quite frankly, in a 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:01.640 situation like that where you're so dialogue have is fantastic 1:40:01.880 --> 1:40:05.760 because you get to practice and practice and practice and 1:40:05.800 --> 1:40:09.520 practice off camera before they come in and like boom, 1:40:09.760 --> 1:40:12.599 you're close up. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm not gonna lie. 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:18.040 It's entirely possible that the Divine Marishkat might have might 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:20.000 have been sent home at that point because they have 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:22.400 to bring her in so early the next morning, and 1:40:22.439 --> 1:40:24.840 they got to give her the twelve hours off. You know, 1:40:24.880 --> 1:40:26.080 it's Union rules. 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:30.840 Yeah, so you did this episode control in season five, 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:33.840 and then you did Reasonable Doubt in season fifteen, so 1:40:33.880 --> 1:40:35.920 like ten years later, and then Swimming with the Sharks 1:40:36.040 --> 1:40:39.040 was six seasons later. Have you noticed, like I know, 1:40:39.479 --> 1:40:41.040 if you don't remember, it's fine, but like, have you 1:40:41.120 --> 1:40:43.759 noticed like changes in the show every time you go back, 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:46.840 like anything that like rings different, like the feeling on 1:40:46.880 --> 1:40:49.360 the set or anything, or every time you go back, 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.840 is it like I'm back the same again. 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:53.719 I really, it's just like if. 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:57.000 I remember my lines, that's really where all my memory 1:40:57.040 --> 1:40:57.360 goes to. 1:40:57.520 --> 1:41:02.519 So I can't I can't really say any particular change. 1:41:02.920 --> 1:41:05.439 I mean I would imagine. I guess the show has 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:09.479 just grown more and more in its success. But it 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:12.639 is one of those shows where the crew has been 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:15.200 on it forever, you know, So you come back into 1:41:15.200 --> 1:41:17.160 the into the makeup and hair room and it's like, 1:41:17.200 --> 1:41:20.640 oh my god, I haven't seen you in six years. Yeah, 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:23.800 you know, maybe the Croft service table is a little 1:41:23.840 --> 1:41:26.599 bit bigger than it was in two thousand and five. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:27.719 That's possible. 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:30.360 We've heard good things. We've heard good things. We threws, 1:41:30.520 --> 1:41:31.879 we heard there's fresh juice. 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:34.880 Oh yeah, oh yeah. Look, you got to keep your 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:39.599 cast and crew healthy and happy. When you're pulling twelve 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:44.800 fourteen sixteen hour days, twenty to twenty six episodes a year, 1:41:45.040 --> 1:41:46.639 like ten and a half months out of the year, 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:50.160 you got to keep people well fed. So yeah, they 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:50.879 got some juice. 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:55.080 How's the schedule for billions? Is it as grueling as 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:56.840 like a Law and Order schedule? 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:00.559 I mean, any one hour series is going to be 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:03.720 is going to be long days. So yeah, you know 1:42:03.880 --> 1:42:09.720 they're they're usually for a lady in particular. You know, 1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:13.360 it's a fourteen hour day, so they're long days. But 1:42:14.000 --> 1:42:17.880 that's another you know, it's a very successful show. They 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:22.639 take excellent care of everyone. Everyone's very well looked after, 1:42:22.880 --> 1:42:24.160 so they're long days. 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:27.600 But we know, Dan Soder, is that impressive to you? 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:30.479 That is super impressive to me. Dan. 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:34.720 We're we're both stand up comedians and we were in 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:37.240 New York for many years and so we just I 1:42:37.280 --> 1:42:39.519 was at the Comedy Cellar with Dan for a lot 1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:42.240 of years, Comedy Fest, Dance Soda. 1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:45.760 Sweet. He's such a great He's such a great guy. 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:46.400 We love him. 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:48.400 All of your co stars would be good on SVU 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:51.120 Oh my god, I would love some Gamati on. 1:42:52.840 --> 1:42:56.760 Totes. What do you think that Asia Kate Dylan could 1:42:56.840 --> 1:43:00.200 play on Order SVU. I'd like to see that. I'm 1:43:00.200 --> 1:43:00.639 on the show. 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:05.080 Oh yes, yes, that's another. That's another Orange is the 1:43:05.120 --> 1:43:06.040 new Black Alum too? 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:06.639 Right? Yeah? 1:43:06.760 --> 1:43:08.800 Oh yeah, And there has. 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:11.400 Been like the this is like the Venn diagram of 1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:13.680 Orange is the new Blacklane or a recpeo. It's like 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:14.719 every single person. 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:17.400 I would see them as a crime boss. I want 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:19.040 like Russian crime boss. 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:25.639 Yeah, yeah, splitting up maybe on organized crime? Organized crime? 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:27.280 Is that the new one? 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:30.840 Yeah, that's the new one with Maloney. Maloney's back. 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:35.440 Okay, I'm curious what you get recognized from the most. 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:39.439 You know, it's interesting because I've been around for a 1:43:39.520 --> 1:43:42.879 few years. So sometimes it's. 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:46.400 Just like someone thinks they know me, and I'm like, 1:43:46.840 --> 1:43:51.639 I don't think so, but you know, I'm I'm actually 1:43:51.680 --> 1:43:55.360 heading to Pensacola, Florida for one of these horror sci 1:43:55.400 --> 1:43:58.880 fi conventions, which I do from time to. 1:43:58.880 --> 1:44:03.519 Time, and Super Mario Brothers is always a big wow. 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:08.960 Just you know, there's some there, there's some nostalgia for 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:12.840 people from their childhood of it being something that they 1:44:12.840 --> 1:44:13.400 watched when. 1:44:13.240 --> 1:44:15.960 They were kids, so I get some Princess Daisy action. 1:44:16.600 --> 1:44:20.000 And then of course Norah de Niro from Pump Up 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:24.000 the Volume the which you know, I guess I was 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:27.720 like the first crush for a lot of dudes and 1:44:27.800 --> 1:44:31.640 some women and women who were around that age and 1:44:31.680 --> 1:44:34.479 wanted to emulate being as cool as that character was, 1:44:34.560 --> 1:44:36.920 which I wanted to be as cool as that character was. Yeah, 1:44:37.720 --> 1:44:40.599 And it's so exciting because I just realized on Twitter 1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:44.640 in the last week that HBO Max actually released it. 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:48.200 It hasn't been available, it hasn't been streaming anywhere, and 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:50.719 so it's finally out. 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:52.160 I'm going to watch it. 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:55.719 I'm really glad that it's back on the internet. 1:44:56.400 --> 1:45:00.000 I know, I'm curious to see. So the big problem 1:45:00.360 --> 1:45:03.559 with it being released in this day and age had 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:06.840 been that, like there's so much incredible music on it, 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:10.560 and I guess they hadn't licensed that music in perpetuity. 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:13.160 You know, You've got like Leonard Cohen and the Pixy's 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:17.160 and Lenny Kravitz and like it's a crazy good soundtrack, 1:45:17.960 --> 1:45:19.880 and they didn't have the licensing for it. So I 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:25.160 guess Warner Brothers now that it's all HBO, MEX whatever. 1:45:25.320 --> 1:45:28.719 It's one big universe. They will. I think it's got 1:45:28.760 --> 1:45:30.280 the soundtrack. I think it does. 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:32.519 But oh good, you have to check it out. 1:45:32.800 --> 1:45:34.599 Yeah you did mention. 1:45:34.880 --> 1:45:38.000 You know, you've been working and for a while from 1:45:38.040 --> 1:45:40.640 the night like doing so much. What are things that 1:45:40.680 --> 1:45:43.120 have changed in the industry that you like vers not 1:45:43.400 --> 1:45:44.880 bring me back to the nineties. 1:45:45.840 --> 1:45:50.400 You know, when I started out in nineteen eighty six, 1:45:52.000 --> 1:45:55.600 you know, the desired trajectory of an actor was to 1:45:55.640 --> 1:45:58.000 get to film, you know, and once you got out 1:45:58.080 --> 1:46:01.800 of television, you didn't want to be television anymore because 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:05.360 you were labeled a television actor. That obviously is not 1:46:05.439 --> 1:46:11.000 the case anymore. It's a whole new landscape. And you know, 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:17.160 in the eighties, independent cinema was just on fire, so 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:20.200 it was an incredible time to be making small movies. 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:25.200 Now it's all about television or streaming content, and that 1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:28.160 to me is actually really exciting. It's been interesting to see. 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:29.800 I don't know what it's been like for you guys 1:46:29.920 --> 1:46:34.160 during the last two years of this pandemic, but my 1:46:34.280 --> 1:46:39.839 attention span has really craved television shows over film. Same 1:46:41.000 --> 1:46:43.799 It's like, I just want to dive into five seasons 1:46:43.800 --> 1:46:44.720 of something. 1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:49.519 So on IMDb, your first credit is Aaron's Way And 1:46:50.000 --> 1:46:52.479 was that really like your first professional gig, being a 1:46:52.520 --> 1:46:53.880 series regular on a show? 1:46:54.920 --> 1:46:55.200 Yeah? 1:46:55.439 --> 1:46:57.600 Yeah, wow. Were you like Wow, I'm incredible. 1:46:58.479 --> 1:47:02.240 I was like, Wow, this is great. I'm totally gonna 1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:04.760 have this amazing career. And my mom was like, it's 1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:08.759 really not that easy. And I was like, yeah, whatever, 1:47:08.800 --> 1:47:11.840 We're shooting the pilot in Australia, bye, and she was like, 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:15.120 oh God, it's not going to be so glamorous. You're 1:47:15.120 --> 1:47:17.000 gonna be in the middle of nowhere. You're going to 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:19.360 be staying in a motel six and you know I 1:47:19.400 --> 1:47:23.800 have and she was right. But I was very blessed. Yeah, 1:47:23.840 --> 1:47:26.840 you know, because my mom was an actress. Enough of 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:29.639 her friends knew that I wanted to pursue a career 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:33.680 at the age of twelve, to which my mother said no. 1:47:34.400 --> 1:47:38.000 But after four years of begging, she said, Okay, you know, 1:47:38.400 --> 1:47:41.280 you can give it a shot. And I knew just 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:44.519 enough people from her universe that were like, yeah, I'll 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:48.439 read your kid, and within like two months, I got 1:47:48.479 --> 1:47:50.160 this TV series. It was incredible. 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:53.360 Yeah, and then like I'm one of these people that 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:56.920 watched you like all growing up, like Pump Up the Volume. 1:47:56.960 --> 1:47:59.040 This is my life, little woman, like Fern Gully. 1:47:59.080 --> 1:48:02.080 You're a voice on Fern, Like I just can't it's 1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:09.360 it's just so wild. Like but like you did this 1:48:09.400 --> 1:48:12.400 TV show in eighty eight and by ninety you were 1:48:12.400 --> 1:48:14.320 on Pump Up the Volume, which you were a huge 1:48:14.400 --> 1:48:16.720 leading role. So like that, it seems like things went 1:48:16.760 --> 1:48:18.800 pretty fast for you at the beginning. 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:21.880 Well Erin's Way was eighty six eighty. 1:48:22.120 --> 1:48:24.680 Oh, I'm looking at on on dB. It might be off, it. 1:48:24.680 --> 1:48:27.000 Might be yeah, it might be off, but yeah, I 1:48:27.040 --> 1:48:29.640 mean it was about three years and suddenly I was 1:48:29.680 --> 1:48:32.639 doing my first feature film that we made a big 1:48:32.680 --> 1:48:35.560 fancy premiere at Grandma's Chinese Theater and suddenly I was 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:36.759 in it girl, and. 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:40.320 Like having that that yeah moment in Hollywood, which was 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:42.040 just amazing. 1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:44.200 Did you ever work with your mom? 1:48:45.040 --> 1:48:48.360 She did a very small role in a TV movie 1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:50.439 just for fun, for us to get to do a 1:48:50.479 --> 1:48:54.000 scene together. It was called Extreme Close Up and it 1:48:54.120 --> 1:49:01.360 was produced by Edswick and Marshall Hurstkovetz of thirty something Same. 1:49:01.760 --> 1:49:04.160 They produced it, and Peter Horton, who was an actor 1:49:04.240 --> 1:49:07.040 on that, directed this and so it was like a 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:09.160 really tiny scene and I was like, do you want 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:11.679 to just come do this for fun? And so she did. 1:49:12.320 --> 1:49:15.680 We were supposed to do a play together once and 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:20.360 I had to pull out of it, so we didn't 1:49:20.479 --> 1:49:23.120 really get to act together that much, which is a bummer. 1:49:23.280 --> 1:49:24.479 And do you do theater a lot? 1:49:25.439 --> 1:49:29.200 I tried to. I mean, you know, I can't afford 1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:32.080 to do it all the time. But I actually just 1:49:32.160 --> 1:49:35.200 closed in a small musical in New York City. We 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:37.880 just finished doing it about a week and a half ago, 1:49:38.520 --> 1:49:41.960 called Whisper House. The music was written by Duncan Chic. 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:46.240 He did another big musical he did Bring Awakening, which 1:49:46.479 --> 1:49:47.240 awakened at all. 1:49:47.720 --> 1:49:50.360 Yes, just did either of you see that? 1:49:50.720 --> 1:49:51.240 Oh? I did. 1:49:51.360 --> 1:49:54.840 I got fired from fat Camp. I was a counselor. 1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:57.679 I was I was twenty years old. I got fired 1:49:57.680 --> 1:50:00.760 from fat Camp and was They just dropped me off 1:50:00.760 --> 1:50:02.599 at a bus and so I had to go to 1:50:02.640 --> 1:50:04.559 New York City and I saw the sign of Spring 1:50:04.600 --> 1:50:06.600 Awakening and I went, I have to see it. And 1:50:06.600 --> 1:50:08.919 I called my dad and I was like, please buy. 1:50:08.680 --> 1:50:12.320 Me a ticket to this play. Oh yeah. So it 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:14.280 was a big moment for me. Sorry to go on 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:15.920 and on. But yeah, I saw it and it meant 1:50:15.920 --> 1:50:17.200 a lot to me to be able to see it. 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:20.280 Yeah, I mean it was revolutionary at the time, like 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:26.360 the choreography, the whole notion of the juxtaposition between rock 1:50:26.400 --> 1:50:30.080 and roll music with these kids in German little pinaphores 1:50:30.160 --> 1:50:33.840 and school was amazing. Anyway, Yeah, we just did this 1:50:33.960 --> 1:50:37.679 musical called Whisper House, which we were supposed to do 1:50:39.640 --> 1:50:42.240 in twenty twenty, and we were about to go on 1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:45.080 stage on March the twelfth to do our very first 1:50:45.120 --> 1:50:49.360 performance and Broadway shut down and then we shut down. 1:50:49.920 --> 1:50:52.040 It was an off Broadway show, but so we never 1:50:52.120 --> 1:50:55.200 did it. We never got to do it, and so 1:50:56.640 --> 1:50:59.960 it's been a wild time, ladies, because like two years later, 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:04.800 we reassembled in New York City in December to start rehearsals, 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:10.720 and what happens, Yeah, and what happens We have an 1:51:10.760 --> 1:51:14.439 outbreak in the rehearsal room the second week and six 1:51:14.479 --> 1:51:18.360 of us get COVID, including myself. So then we. 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:22.040 Moved to Zoom and we rehearsed on Zoom, which is 1:51:22.080 --> 1:51:25.960 not ideal theater. Took a Christmas break, which is me 1:51:26.160 --> 1:51:29.599 home with COVID for a week and then we went 1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:33.599 back and rehearsed entirely in mosques the rest of the time. 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:38.760 The first time, well, the first time we were in 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:40.479 front of a live audience was only the second time 1:51:40.479 --> 1:51:43.120 we'd ever done the plate see each other's faces. It 1:51:43.200 --> 1:51:47.320 was a wild experience and a miracle because we actually 1:51:47.360 --> 1:51:50.920 got through the run. We had no understudies, and so 1:51:51.000 --> 1:51:53.080 if any of the three cast members who didn't get 1:51:53.080 --> 1:51:55.800 COVID got COVID, we would be shut down. Every day 1:51:56.040 --> 1:51:57.840 shows in New York were shutting down. I don't know 1:51:57.880 --> 1:51:59.720 if you guys follow that stuff, but like so many 1:51:59.760 --> 1:52:02.200 plays that somehow we made it through. We were like 1:52:02.200 --> 1:52:04.800 the little plate that could. So, yeah, I just did 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:08.680 a play and now I'm recovering. 1:52:09.400 --> 1:52:11.640 And are you like New York till you die? Or 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:14.679 you enjoy the West Coast and you're like, you'll dat? 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:18.880 I mean, I would look. I grew up in Los Angeles. 1:52:18.960 --> 1:52:21.559 There are things I really love about it. I love 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:25.960 being an actor in LA when I'm working. I don't 1:52:26.000 --> 1:52:28.040 like being an actor in LA when I'm not working. 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:31.439 There's something that's just mentally healthier for me about being 1:52:31.479 --> 1:52:37.519 on the East Coast. And I had been NYC writer die. 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:43.000 But then the pandemic happened, and I bought this house 1:52:43.200 --> 1:52:47.720 in the country and was in contract on it to 1:52:47.800 --> 1:52:50.080 have it like to use a little bit of the time, 1:52:50.120 --> 1:52:52.000 but to also be able to rent it out and 1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:56.320 have an Airbnb, And then the pandemic hit and I 1:52:56.400 --> 1:52:58.559 moved up here. So I'm living in upstate New York. 1:52:58.680 --> 1:52:59.920 I'm a country girl now. 1:53:00.479 --> 1:53:00.839 Whoa. 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:03.840 Yeah, we talked to a couple of other actors that 1:53:03.880 --> 1:53:06.880 have done that. Actually, it sounds like the move like 1:53:06.960 --> 1:53:09.880 you can still get to the city easily, but you're 1:53:10.760 --> 1:53:12.759 got some space out there and it's beautiful. 1:53:12.840 --> 1:53:14.000 Yeah. 1:53:14.040 --> 1:53:16.160 Do you have any other like upcoming projects now that 1:53:16.200 --> 1:53:18.240 the play is done that you want, like our listeners 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:21.400 to be sort of eyes peeled for or anything. 1:53:21.520 --> 1:53:25.800 Well, I did a little part in pet Cemetery in 1:53:25.920 --> 1:53:30.040 nineteen sixty nine and that's coming out in April on 1:53:30.200 --> 1:53:36.320 Paramount Plus. Oh wow, there's a very handsome lad named 1:53:36.400 --> 1:53:40.559 Jackson White who's the lead of the movie, and Henry 1:53:40.600 --> 1:53:47.400 Thomas and myself play his parents. Okay, yeah, oh it's 1:53:47.400 --> 1:53:52.360 pet Cemetery. Yeah, I've pet Cemetery the origin story. So 1:53:52.439 --> 1:53:55.599 we go back to nineteen sixty nine and learn even 1:53:55.680 --> 1:54:00.400 more of the origin of why these pets are possessed. 1:54:00.840 --> 1:54:03.080 And that just is it what what is this thing 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:05.559 called the Georgetown Project that you did? Is that like 1:54:05.600 --> 1:54:07.320 a that's another horrory type of thing. 1:54:07.600 --> 1:54:10.880 Yeah, it is. It's I don't know when it's coming out. 1:54:11.080 --> 1:54:15.000 It's sort of stuck in a limbo period right now 1:54:16.120 --> 1:54:20.439 with the editing process, but it is. It is a 1:54:20.479 --> 1:54:24.640 retelling of the Exorcist in present time. They're trying to 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:28.040 remake the movie it, so it's sort of meta. It's 1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:31.280 about these these people that are trying to remake the 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:35.000 movie and no one wants to touch it because it's cursed. 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:38.680 You know, the actual movie when they shot it back 1:54:38.720 --> 1:54:40.880 in the day, there were several people who died during 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:43.000 the production of the movie, and so there's this lore 1:54:43.200 --> 1:54:47.160 that anyone getting involved with the Exorcist, they die. So 1:54:47.320 --> 1:54:50.640 that's what's happening in present time. And so they hire 1:54:50.760 --> 1:54:56.240 a washed up action star to play the lead and 1:54:56.280 --> 1:55:01.200 that's uh, that's Russell Crowe and he's kind of an 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:04.800 alcoholic and a bit of a mess. And then and 1:55:04.840 --> 1:55:08.120 then you know, is he losing his mind or is 1:55:08.160 --> 1:55:11.080 he being haunted? And strange things start to happen during 1:55:11.080 --> 1:55:12.440 the production of the movie. 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:15.480 And did weird things happen and. 1:55:15.480 --> 1:55:18.800 Weird things, Oh, did weird things happen while I was there? 1:55:19.240 --> 1:55:21.480 Yeah, you know no, but I'm. 1:55:21.320 --> 1:55:24.600 Gonna tell you that there's like a witchy shop in 1:55:24.640 --> 1:55:27.200 the Lower East Side, No, in the East Village, And 1:55:27.320 --> 1:55:29.960 I went there and I talked to some of these 1:55:30.000 --> 1:55:31.880 white witches and I was like, I'm going to do 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:36.160 this thing and I just need like a candle to 1:55:36.320 --> 1:55:39.440 protect me. And they were like, aha, incredible. And they'd 1:55:39.480 --> 1:55:42.520 take out a candle and start carving in it and 1:55:42.560 --> 1:55:45.280 they were like, what, there's Satan involved, okay, And they 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:50.040 like created this whole candle that had like spells and 1:55:50.120 --> 1:55:53.720 ointments and sparkles and all these things. I just I 1:55:53.800 --> 1:55:55.880 was like, you know what, you can never be too safe. 1:55:56.080 --> 1:56:03.280 Wow, we love it. We love witchy stuff. She's badass. 1:56:03.560 --> 1:56:05.280 I can't believe we got to talk to her, like 1:56:05.320 --> 1:56:07.600 I truly, Like I remember watching pop up the volume 1:56:07.640 --> 1:56:11.040 being like this girl is so cool, like and she like. 1:56:11.040 --> 1:56:12.520 I don't know, I don't know. 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:15.360 And I dated all these Hollywood people in the eighties, 1:56:15.400 --> 1:56:16.920 like I mean, sorry, the nineties. 1:56:16.960 --> 1:56:20.320 She's just like very very cool and chill, and this 1:56:20.600 --> 1:56:23.480 rarely happens that people are like, oh, yeah, my mom 1:56:23.520 --> 1:56:26.000 helped me meet an age you know, like, yeah, I 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:28.040 love that she was able to be like, yeah, my 1:56:28.120 --> 1:56:30.440 mom was an actoring and she knew this person and 1:56:30.480 --> 1:56:34.840 then I got booked. Instead of pretending that doesn't exist, right, 1:56:34.880 --> 1:56:35.640 you know, yeah. 1:56:35.520 --> 1:56:36.720 Yeah, I just enjoyed that. 1:56:36.800 --> 1:56:38.440 Or when someone goes, oh yeah, I grew up wealthy 1:56:38.600 --> 1:56:42.320 or something like it's weird that people aren't honest about you. 1:56:42.400 --> 1:56:44.400 Yeah, And I mean, it doesn't that cool. It doesn't 1:56:44.680 --> 1:56:47.240 to mean how much she's worked. Sure, she's worked very hard. 1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:50.280 I mean, judging by the fact that she literally started 1:56:50.280 --> 1:56:52.680 in the late eighties and by the early nineties was 1:56:52.800 --> 1:56:55.680 like a household name, basically sounds like she worked sucking hard. 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:58.520 Well, it's the Kim Kardashian of it all. Katherine Ryan, 1:56:59.240 --> 1:57:02.160 superstar in life, she was saying, she goes. People are 1:57:02.240 --> 1:57:04.320 mad at the Kim Kardashian statement. It's not about you. 1:57:04.400 --> 1:57:06.240 She's not talking to you. She's talking to other rich 1:57:06.280 --> 1:57:09.080 people who don't do stuff. Yeah, stop taking it as 1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:13.000 a personal attack, Like maybe like she doesn't realize people 1:57:13.240 --> 1:57:15.040 have it different. She is trying to help people get 1:57:15.040 --> 1:57:18.080 out of jail. Like I think she understands inequality in 1:57:18.120 --> 1:57:20.800 the world. Maybe not, but I did like that perspective. 1:57:20.840 --> 1:57:22.840 I just didn't hear someone go, yeah, it's not about you. 1:57:22.920 --> 1:57:24.839 She's not talking about the people that are working hourly 1:57:25.400 --> 1:57:28.440 like at jud you know, jobs that fucking exploit you. 1:57:28.520 --> 1:57:30.640 I think she's talking to like her peers that she 1:57:30.640 --> 1:57:31.280 went to high. 1:57:31.160 --> 1:57:33.560 School, or like influencers that are like I just want 1:57:33.600 --> 1:57:36.560 to like post post like bikini shots and make a 1:57:36.600 --> 1:57:38.400 bunch of money, you know, And She's like, you actually 1:57:38.440 --> 1:57:39.760 have to do a lot more if you want to 1:57:39.760 --> 1:57:42.120 like get to my level, which is probably true. 1:57:42.800 --> 1:57:43.080 Yeah. 1:57:43.080 --> 1:57:46.240 So that was just interesting because everyone it's like people 1:57:46.320 --> 1:57:48.520 just rage so hard. It's kind of like my tweet 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:51.200 where I go parents that post their kids constantly, and 1:57:51.240 --> 1:57:53.760 then it was like you hate kids, you have no soul. 1:57:53.840 --> 1:57:56.480 I'm just like, what that is not what I want? Yeah, 1:57:56.640 --> 1:57:58.760 people about what I wrote. That's the Internet. 1:57:58.800 --> 1:58:01.200 But like, look, I'm not even like a huge Kim 1:58:01.280 --> 1:58:03.800 fan or anything. I just like, I fucking hate what 1:58:03.880 --> 1:58:05.760 Kanye is doing to her right now. So right now 1:58:05.760 --> 1:58:07.600 I'm on her side about pretty much anything. 1:58:07.640 --> 1:58:10.000 I didn't love the work comment when I first heard it. 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:12.040 I was like, obviously you have to put it in 1:58:12.120 --> 1:58:13.920 the right context and not everyone's going to take it 1:58:13.920 --> 1:58:16.640 out of context. But like, he is being such a 1:58:16.680 --> 1:58:20.000 fucking nightmare continually to her, and I just I got 1:58:20.120 --> 1:58:24.000 to support her on that because it's he's he's the worst. 1:58:24.520 --> 1:58:28.800 He is the worst. And I'm glad, not really, I'm. 1:58:29.600 --> 1:58:33.360 I don't know the adjective, but that people are seeing 1:58:33.440 --> 1:58:36.560 what it's like to leave an abusive relationship on such. 1:58:36.360 --> 1:58:38.680 A big scale. Like, yeah, I don't know. 1:58:38.760 --> 1:58:40.920 I think it's important and it sucks that she has 1:58:41.000 --> 1:58:44.160 to go through it, but I hope it penetrates people's 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:47.840 brains a little bit and makes people understand or become empathetic. 1:58:47.880 --> 1:58:48.280 I don't know. 1:58:48.360 --> 1:58:51.040 But it's also weird that Pete Davidson's in the middle 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:51.440 of it all. 1:58:51.640 --> 1:58:52.839 I'm like, what is happening. 1:58:52.840 --> 1:58:55.880 He's calling out Michael Chay and I'm like, it's so fun, 1:58:55.960 --> 1:58:56.800 it's so weird. 1:58:57.200 --> 1:58:58.920 Wait, what's the Michael Chay of it at all? 1:58:58.960 --> 1:59:03.040 I didn't see just like posted on it Kanye Kanye, 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:07.240 oh wow, yeah, Like it was basically what he deleted 1:59:07.240 --> 1:59:09.040 it already, but it was basically like this what he 1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:10.880 did for Trevor Noah, but he did it for Michael Chai. 1:59:11.880 --> 1:59:13.520 What's the Trevor. I don't know any of this. 1:59:14.320 --> 1:59:17.160 He just like it's just his erratic posts, you know 1:59:17.200 --> 1:59:19.200 how he deletes everything, like he only ever has like 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:21.800 ten posts up. I don't know he had one up 1:59:21.840 --> 1:59:24.560 that was just the Google results of Michael Shay. He's 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:26.400 always like trying to like poke at Michael Chay. I 1:59:26.440 --> 1:59:28.520 think it's because of the Peat connection, but I don't 1:59:28.520 --> 1:59:32.320 know anyway, what else to this episode. 1:59:32.960 --> 1:59:37.720 I would just say, you know, fucking believe women, even 1:59:37.760 --> 1:59:40.040 if it's the craziest story you've ever heard, because the 1:59:40.080 --> 1:59:42.720 depths of evil are all around us. 1:59:43.000 --> 1:59:45.560 Yeah, wow, that's very eloquently foot. 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:48.600 You know, everyone's evil, so like it doesn't matter if 1:59:48.640 --> 1:59:51.800 someone's drunk or this story is wild, Like I'm sure 1:59:51.800 --> 1:59:52.280 it's real. 1:59:52.400 --> 1:59:54.840 I don't know. Yeah, it just sucks to know. 1:59:56.320 --> 1:59:58.480 But people are always gonna people are always gonna like 1:59:58.520 --> 2:00:01.920 prey upon people that won't be you know, they prey 2:00:02.000 --> 2:00:04.800 upon people that have like, you know, vulnerabilities. And that's 2:00:05.800 --> 2:00:07.880 what's so fucked up. When she tried, we need to 2:00:07.920 --> 2:00:08.680 help more people. 2:00:08.760 --> 2:00:12.000 And if someone brings a teenager as a date and 2:00:12.040 --> 2:00:14.480 they're a grown person to a family party, kick him 2:00:14.480 --> 2:00:15.440 off out of the party. 2:00:15.800 --> 2:00:18.680 Yeah, and it just it really did make me not 2:00:18.760 --> 2:00:21.800 that I wanted, like Samantha Mathis's character to not exist, 2:00:21.840 --> 2:00:24.520 but it did make me realize how much like that 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:26.800 this mother did not look like she had a lot 2:00:26.800 --> 2:00:28.800 of resentment for her child because she felt like her 2:00:28.840 --> 2:00:30.760 child ended her life in a lot of ways. And 2:00:30.760 --> 2:00:33.320 that's why we need to have choice. You know, Like 2:00:34.000 --> 2:00:36.640 I don't wish that she wasn't didn't exist, but you 2:00:36.680 --> 2:00:38.280 know what I mean, Like the mom was like she 2:00:38.400 --> 2:00:40.880 ended my modeling career, she ended my relationships. It's like 2:00:40.920 --> 2:00:42.480 you didn't want a kid, and she's like, I didn't 2:00:42.520 --> 2:00:45.480 have a choice, and it's like, well, luckily, we still 2:00:45.520 --> 2:00:48.360 for the minute have choice. Who knows how long it's 2:00:48.400 --> 2:00:50.280 going to take the Supreme Court to dismantle that, but 2:00:50.400 --> 2:00:51.080 right now we have it. 2:00:51.600 --> 2:00:55.280 Also And shout out to Joyel Nicole Johnson. She was 2:00:55.320 --> 2:00:58.080 nominated for a Critics Choice Award this last week or 2:00:58.120 --> 2:01:02.000 two weeks ago for her Comedies special on Peacock. But 2:01:02.080 --> 2:01:05.560 she brought her clutch on the red carpets that abortion 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:08.760 is normal, Oh awesome, And so she was really pumping 2:01:08.840 --> 2:01:11.040 up that purse and built her whole outfit and look 2:01:11.080 --> 2:01:11.880 around her purse. 2:01:12.040 --> 2:01:14.000 I shouldn't have doubted you, but I really did not 2:01:14.080 --> 2:01:15.600 know where you were going with that, and I thought 2:01:15.600 --> 2:01:17.680 you were just going into a shout out for Joyel, 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:20.520 and I was like, okay, right from abortion, how bad. 2:01:20.560 --> 2:01:22.120 I shouldn't have doubted you. I knew there was a 2:01:22.200 --> 2:01:22.480 tie in. 2:01:22.960 --> 2:01:26.240 Well, she's she's worked with Lady Parts Justice and she's 2:01:26.360 --> 2:01:29.080 very good, Like she will go to a group of 2:01:29.120 --> 2:01:33.240 people protesting abortion and choice and calmly talk to them 2:01:33.280 --> 2:01:35.400 for like hours to try to change their mind. Like 2:01:35.720 --> 2:01:39.360 she does the groundwork and goes to these fucking dumb 2:01:39.520 --> 2:01:44.320 towns and talks to like dumb teenage boys who think 2:01:44.360 --> 2:01:45.600 they have an opinion on anything. 2:01:45.720 --> 2:01:47.200 And so she really does a lot of the work. 2:01:47.320 --> 2:01:49.840 So that's shout out, shout out to Joel. Yeah, everybody 2:01:49.960 --> 2:01:53.640 check out her special And then let's just segue into 2:01:53.640 --> 2:01:57.040 what would Sister Peg do. 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