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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Luke Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. I have John schmelked Demanto.

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Speaker 1: I left this Paul to Tino two one nine four

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Speaker 1: or five one three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. It's

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Speaker 1: apt to an Amazing Giants Prizes. Paul, You've had a

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Speaker 1: couple of days to have the voice recover from about

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Speaker 1: ten hours of shows over the weekend. How are you

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Speaker 1: feeling and what's your kind of two days off? Settle

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Speaker 1: down thoughts on what the Giants did last Thursday, Friday

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Speaker 1: and Saturday. Well, John, I don't know what you did

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Speaker 1: on Saturday and Sunday and Monday, but I napped a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to admit that it was a marathon

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Speaker 1: heart and nap when I got a two year old

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Speaker 1: at home. Sorry, I tried, did not work. I told

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Speaker 1: everybody just get out of the house and leave me alone.

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Speaker 1: I really needed to recoup. But I will tell you this, Uh,

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Speaker 1: for those of you who may not have watched our shows, Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's no question in my mind that the Giants did

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Speaker 1: extremely well. Now they'll be debate about the first round

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Speaker 1: pick are several years to come, and I understand that

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Speaker 1: if you don't like it, well, guess what, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be years before the tables turned. There. If you do

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Speaker 1: like it, it's also going to be years before the

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Speaker 1: tables turn. So you almost have to put that one

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Speaker 1: aside because it's so polarizing and say, Okay, the other

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Speaker 1: nine picks were what And I think the other nine

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Speaker 1: picks were really really good. Seven out of ten players

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side, and a strong defensive draft for

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Speaker 1: a team that needed defense. Do I really need to

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Speaker 1: say anything else? Not? I suppose not so. And they

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Speaker 1: did get an edge rusher in in x Men. They

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Speaker 1: did get Dexter Lawrence to help replace the void from Snacks.

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Speaker 1: We remember after Snacks left, the Giants couldn't stop the

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Speaker 1: run up the middle of the second half of last season,

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Speaker 1: so they did get somebody to help out in that regard.

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Speaker 1: And you've got a bunch of corners. Good draft for

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman. And I'm not moving off of that well,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna be joined by our guests now to

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the Giants draft picks. Because three

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Speaker 1: Giants players went to the Senior Bowl, and we saw

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Speaker 1: him down there in Mobile, Alabama, and I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to talk to this gentleman down there as well.

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Speaker 1: That's Jim Naggy. He's the executive director of the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: former scout for the Seattle Seahawks. You might have also

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Speaker 1: seen him doing some work for ESPN getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the draft. Jim, you got johnsh Malcolm, Paula, Tino here

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Speaker 1: inside the Giants practice facility in these rather for New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for the time. How are you. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing great, guys. I appreciate well. I appreciate you joining us, Jim,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people from the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in that cover the draft for a living in.

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Speaker 1: Paul and I to extent, are are those people too.

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Speaker 1: You know, we do our best with analysis, but as

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Speaker 1: a scout, and you research these players the same way

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Speaker 1: these NFL scouts do getting getting ready for the draft,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot more exposure to these players than

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Speaker 1: we do. You have a lot more information and knowledge

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Speaker 1: as people in psychologically, which as you know is a

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Speaker 1: scout is just as important as how they play. So

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Speaker 1: tell me what you might know about Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 1: your exposure to him will start there that maybe people

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Speaker 1: from the outside looking in don't. Well, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: I like to pick I. I it's too bad that

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Speaker 1: you know, Daniel couldn't enjoy the weekend with with the

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Speaker 1: Daniel brings a lot to the table. I really do.

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Speaker 1: He's got he's got size, he's got athleticism, he's accurate,

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Speaker 1: he's got a he's really smart, and he's incredibly tough.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is he is. He is one tough dude.

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Speaker 1: You put on the tape and he gets hit more, um,

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Speaker 1: you know behind that line at Dukes and then Tyler

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Speaker 1: But I just never saw it. I just never saw it. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you made me, I'd make the same pick Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman did. Um if it was between the two players. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the NFL is a chaotic league. It's messy.

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Speaker 1: much of that in any of Dwayne Haskin's tape. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got a stronger arm than Daniel. He

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Speaker 1: the one game they did get after him was Perdue.

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Speaker 1: Wayne Hapkins and he looked like a guy that wasn't draftable. So, um,

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Speaker 1: back to to the Haskins things very quickly, because you tweeted.

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Speaker 1: I think it was on Friday that from the people

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Speaker 1: So I think in Jim crupt if I'm wrong. I

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Speaker 1: taking him at seventeen, you're saying he's he's the guy

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Speaker 1: he comes into the National Football League? And are there

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Speaker 1: U does he have a great arm now, but that's

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about tools at the quarterback position, that's

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you know, they don't know the resources

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Speaker 1: of a a Clemson ere in Alabama. So, um, you

428
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Speaker 1: know a lot of those big schools have trained, you know,

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Speaker 1: awesome training table for these guys and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: just compete him and wait facilities. So you always gotta

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Speaker 1: think guys from like what we used to call you

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Speaker 1: don't even hear the name, and we were like a

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Speaker 1: mid major type school, uh like that? Or or or

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Speaker 1: a lower level you know one double a FCS or

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Speaker 1: Division two. You always bank on that. You know that, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we get this guy in an NFL program, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get he's gonna picking out he's gonna get stronger. Um.

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Speaker 1: Just guys, I've been around, like Bruce Irvan when we

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Speaker 1: were in Seattle and you've got him out of West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Bruce was two and twenty seven pounds senior shows us

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Speaker 1: to the combine at two five and then you know

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Speaker 1: by the time I left there, when he left in

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Speaker 1: free agency to Oaklands to sixty. So these guys do

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Speaker 1: get bigger, they do get stronger, they do get thicker,

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Speaker 1: and uh so you can you can do that. You

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Speaker 1: can't you you can't develop what O'Shane has in terms

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Speaker 1: of his get off and um, like I said, just

448
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Speaker 1: as natural this as a pass rusher. Those are things

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Speaker 1: you can improve, you can and you can get a

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Speaker 1: guy bigger and stronger. Jim Naggi is the executive director

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Speaker 1: of the Reese's Senior Bowl, joining us here on Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. Jim, again, we appreciate your time. Now.

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Speaker 1: Corey Ballentine was really the the other third giant who

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Speaker 1: comes out of the Senior Bowl who was part of

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Speaker 1: this draft. Interesting when we talk about that mystery factor

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Speaker 1: of how do you project the guy up? He's coming

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Speaker 1: from Division two where he was the defensive player of

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Speaker 1: the season. Uh, tell tell me what you guys found

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Speaker 1: out about him coming in and what did he do

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Speaker 1: to extra impress you during the course of the week.

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Speaker 1: I know he had five total tackles in the game.

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Speaker 1: He was certainly active. Yeah here, and Corey's a really

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Speaker 1: really intriguing player. Um. I started getting calls from guys

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Speaker 1: around the league on him. And that's the thing at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl now is we're going to scout the

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Speaker 1: Power of Five schools, and you know, all the FDS

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Speaker 1: schools really well, but at some of these really smaller

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Speaker 1: school guys like a Washburn that might fall through our crack.

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Speaker 1: So that's why it's critical to have relationships with with

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Speaker 1: guys in the league. And you know, so my buddy

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Speaker 1: started to call me and say, Hey, you're on this

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Speaker 1: guy at Washburn yet and I said, no, we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen him. And UM, call our guy in the in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest who lives in Missouri. He went up and

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Speaker 1: saw Corey play and just called back and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this kid is really athletic. He sent me. You know,

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Speaker 1: we we posted videos all fall from the games we

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Speaker 1: were at. We we actually saw the hundred and fourteen players.

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Speaker 1: We brought to the recent senior boil. This year, we

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Speaker 1: saw a hundred and five of them live in games

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Speaker 1: from our staff. So really proud of that fact that

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Speaker 1: we were out you know, we were. It's good for

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Speaker 1: you know, it gives us credibility with the with the

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Speaker 1: NFL teams. They know we're out there doing our work too.

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Speaker 1: So what he would do and what we all are

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Speaker 1: Scott to do is take videos during pregame of guys

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Speaker 1: moving around and then to send him to me, and

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Speaker 1: then I posted him on my Twitter and just to

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Speaker 1: give the fans that heads up for who we're looking at,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know Corey is uh yeah. And it

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Speaker 1: turned out to be a great recruiting tool too, because

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Speaker 1: these kids all saw it and they're all on social media.

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Speaker 1: They loved it. But anyway, Corey's video was one of

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Speaker 1: the coolest ones. Like to watch him. I remember he

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Speaker 1: was a peddling. He was peddling. He opened up and

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Speaker 1: then they threw him, you know, threw him a ball

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Speaker 1: and just you know, jumped up, high pointed the ball

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Speaker 1: and looked really athletic doing it. So you just in

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Speaker 1: that one like seven second video, you saw a kind

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Speaker 1: of athlete we're dealing with. And you also saw the

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Speaker 1: body type a lot of times. These smaller school kids

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Speaker 1: they're at there at Division two level for a reason.

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Speaker 1: It's genetics, you know, they're just not genetically is gifted

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Speaker 1: as as the guys at a bigger school. And Corey

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Speaker 1: is a really put together, a good looking kid. He

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Speaker 1: carries his pads really well. So I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got something here. We got the body type, and

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Speaker 1: we got an athlete, and uh, you know, going to

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Speaker 1: look at the tape, he's really physical. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a he's gonna be a great special teams player right

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Speaker 1: off the bat, you know. So you know he's going

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Speaker 1: to be that. So that that's what that's a great

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Speaker 1: sixth round pick because he's making your fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 1: There's there's this guy's gonna be on your squad. And

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Speaker 1: not only is making your fifty three, he's gonna make

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Speaker 1: your game day forty five because he's gonna be on

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Speaker 1: all your core special teams. And then what he showed

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Speaker 1: during the week down here is a corner. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he pay aid. He held up really well in man

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Speaker 1: coverage down here at the senior Bar. I thought he was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought he had a chance of going in the

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Speaker 1: fourth round, you know, I thought safely in the fifth.

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Speaker 1: So getting him in the sixth, you know, the seventh

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Speaker 1: pick of the sixth round again, I thought that was

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Speaker 1: tremendous value because he really I was worried about how

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Speaker 1: he would show up in coverage, being a small school guy,

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Speaker 1: maybe being a little overwhelmed by some of these bigger

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Speaker 1: school receivers, and that wasn't the case at all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he he has some really good reps against some some

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Speaker 1: really good wide receivers, so um high upside guy that

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Speaker 1: I know he's going to play right away on fourth down,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I could definitely see because of what he

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Speaker 1: can do in coverage down the line, you know, at

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Speaker 1: minimum becoming like a third corner final one, Jim, I'm

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Speaker 1: real quick on balance on just just to follow up,

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Speaker 1: if there's one thing, whether it's technique or or something

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Speaker 1: else as a scout that you see that he needs

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Speaker 1: to improve upon as he makes an even bigger jump

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Speaker 1: from division to all the way to the NFL to

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Speaker 1: develop into that type of cover corner you think he can.

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Speaker 1: What's that improvement that he needs to make. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's just experience, you know, and that's in that learning

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Speaker 1: how to be patient and playing this technique and trusting

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Speaker 1: this technique. I mean at the D two level, you know,

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Speaker 1: not even specific to Corey, but most of most of

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Speaker 1: the defensive facts at that level when they're when they're

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Speaker 1: legitimate NFL players, they can get away with a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff because there's so much more athletic than the

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Speaker 1: guys are going again, so they can you know, they

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Speaker 1: can stab a hand at the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 1: whip and get back in position or you know, wherever

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Speaker 1: it might have you get sloppy at the top of

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Speaker 1: a route and you know, get back in phase and

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Speaker 1: making play. So it's just it's really it's really getting

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Speaker 1: honed in on his technique and being patient and trusting it. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's only gonna come with reps. Jim, great stuff. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate all the time today. Best of luck, and

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Speaker 1: we look forward to being back in Mobile next year

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Speaker 1: with you as uh you continue your great work at

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Speaker 1: the Senior both. Thank you very much, Thank you so much, Jim. Yeah, God,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Jim Nage did a great job.

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Speaker 1: Good information there, Paul, and then you can really get

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Speaker 1: he's a scouted heart and gave you some great information there. Well,

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Speaker 1: you remember he took over for Phil Savage, who moved

565
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Speaker 1: on from his job at the at the Reci's Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and Jim came in and immediately hit the ground running.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, John, did you see the

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Speaker 1: stat I think somebody posted on Twitter. We we didn't

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Speaker 1: actually give Jim a chance to crow about it. I

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Speaker 1: think every single one of the Senior Bowl players on

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Speaker 1: the two rosters has either been drafted or is going

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Speaker 1: to a camp. Every single one will be at a

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Speaker 1: rookie minicamp. And I think what you said, A hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen got drafted, but the other guys are still

575
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Speaker 1: going to It's not like they fell off the map

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Speaker 1: and nobody wants I was talking just drafted, but in

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Speaker 1: terms of being invited or being an undrafted free agent

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Speaker 1: or getting drafted. He hit a hundry, he hit a thousand.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and you and you heard what

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00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: he said. I mean he he's got tentacles all around

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00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: the league with staff members who are going to personally

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Speaker 1: check out the fellas that they are going to recruit,

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00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: who bring to the Senior Bowl in a way, John,

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Speaker 1: you know, you could make an argument, and you saw

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Speaker 1: the number two. There were a bunch of guys who

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Speaker 1: were at the combine who didn't get picked. Now, we

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00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: won't know exactly until after all the numbers are in.

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00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: How many of those guys don't get free agent camp

589
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: invites either. That number is not out yet. But you

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00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: can't dispute the fact that Naggie and his staff really

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00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: have an eye for what it is that they're doing. Yeah,

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00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: and I want to see if I think I marked

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00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: this tweet from somebody the other day. Maybe I didn't, um,

594
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: but there's somebody at a list and there were something

595
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: like a hundred on their classmen that de claric for

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00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: the draft that didn't get taken or something like that.

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00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: This is a shame the money grab, you know, and

598
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: some kids really need it because their family situation or whatever.

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00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, you get it. It's just it stinks that

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00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: somebody probably gave bad advice, which is which is a shame. Well,

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00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's really why, more than anything, the

602
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl situation is a very big deal because usually

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00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: when these guys are coming out early, they try to

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Speaker 1: sniff around and their agents or their their advisors, let

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00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: me change the word to advisors try to sniff around.

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00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: It isn't always agents, by the way, correct, It's not always.

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Speaker 1: And they try to figure out where do you think

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00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: I might go in the draft, and is it worth

609
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 1: it for me to come out now and see if

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00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: I can cash in? And they're all given some type

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00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: of estimates. This happens in the NBA too. I mean,

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00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: this is not exclusive to the NFL or the NFL.

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00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: Of the NFL um Scouting Service, I forget the name,

614
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: gives a pre draft grade on all these kids and

615
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: tells them, look, we think you'll get picked here. I

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00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: think back in January, right or in December or something

617
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes I think it's right around the new year.

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Speaker 1: And they're supposed to be able to take that and

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Speaker 1: input it into their equation to give them a better

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00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 1: idea as to whether or not they really would like

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Speaker 1: to declare and enter the draft. NFL Advised Scouting Advisory

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Speaker 1: Council maybe it's called something like that. And and I'll

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00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: be honest, folks, I don't even know who's on that council.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm sure it's a bunch of

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00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: retired scouts and maybe representatives from teams or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. Now. The shame of it is,

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00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: sometimes the players will get bad advice, he said. It

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00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: won't necessarily be from the Committee of the council. It

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: will be somebody else who says, oh, no, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: go higher. Yeah you don't, don't, you'll go high. I

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Speaker 1: don't listen to. Just wait till they see your run.

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00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: You'll work out and you know, etcetera, etcetera, and then

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Speaker 1: what happens and it doesn't shake out. So anyway, all right,

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Speaker 1: we got a half an hour calls, folks, let's get

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Speaker 1: how's it going today? Oh? Pretty good? Pretty good? Um? Yeah.

639
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean the quarterback thing, obviously, is you know, been

640
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: a big stink as it were. You think a few

641
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: years we've been dealing with Eli should sit and so on,

642
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: and sort of the silver lining I think is going

643
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: to be, well, who's going to go in? So Eli

644
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: is the quarterback this year. That's the way it goes.

645
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Meanwhile, Daniel Jones can compete with

646
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta, which carl Aletta was at the Senior Bowl

647
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: last year, right, and you know, and so there's the competition.

648
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: You need four quarterbacks going into the you know, training,

649
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: you need someone that control the ball. So whether Daniels

650
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: makes it or not, you may be a good backup

651
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: one day. Who knows, or who knows. Maybe you know,

652
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Gettleman got his guy, that's what he wanted, just like

653
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: Arizona got their guy Murray. The bottom line is that

654
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: everyone got their own philosophy. Gettleman's got his and and

655
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: that's the way we have to trust it. But I

656
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: like the rest of the draft. Dexter uh next lash

657
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: and um, the corners. We need corner help. I mean, look,

658
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: the secondary has been a problem for the last few

659
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: years quite a bit, as well as you know, the

660
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: right tackle situation. So hey, look Mark, Mark, Mark, we're

661
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: with you. I like to draft it in the hole

662
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: and that's that's how I look at it. Thank you, Mark.

663
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate the i' go ahead, finished out, Mark, I'm sorry,

664
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: finish up? Mark ahead? Um real quick, Mark, Yeah, I

665
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: mean that's um, you know pretty much it I guess um.

666
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: No one was pumping up that this team in the

667
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: cornerbacks let into this draft more than me. When we

668
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: talked about needs, I always like, guys, don't forget about corner.

669
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Don't forget about corner. Don't forget How could you you

670
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: had one guy that you knew you could trust, and

671
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: maybe one one and a half if you count grand

672
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: Haley because he played well for the last six games

673
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. But otherwise we needed secondary. The

674
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: thing about it was John and why, in my opinion

675
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: it was not necessary to over emphasize it was because

676
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: we have been told secondary was so deep in the draft,

677
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: and and I was really telling people it would not

678
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: shock me if they didn't take one in the first

679
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: or second. I thought it was possible. But you could

680
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: get them beginning in the third round. And they got

681
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: Julian Love in the fourth, and they got Corey Ballentine

682
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: in the sixth, so they did have two corners. You know.

683
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: After my line of demarcation didn't surprise me at all,

684
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: because these guys have make it great. And we talked

685
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: about it too, that the sweet spot for corners started

686
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: at thirty seven. That was the sweet spot. They moved

687
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: up a little bit to get him, which, by the way,

688
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, I said it yesterday. You look

689
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: at the trade chart. They actually got over value for

690
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: that by a few points. So it was a good trade.

691
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: It was a fair trade for both teams. It was

692
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: a good deal, and you needed cornerbacks. And you got

693
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: a guy with a second round grade at least in

694
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: my opinion and a lot of other people opinion out

695
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: there as well, in the fourth round. And then you

696
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: have a young guy who from a small school, and

697
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: if you're gonna draft a guy in the sixth round,

698
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: I like drafting the guy from a small school that

699
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: maybe has a lot more room to grow than somebody else.

700
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: So with all the athletic skills. So that's good to know,

701
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's a good thing. Jerome and Charlotte's

702
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: up next, Drome. Hello, Hello, Droome, Yes, go ahead, Drome.

703
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: You're on the air. Um uh that that that that

704
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: will not They do not show up for physicals until Thursday.

705
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: In years past, I haven't been able to talk about

706
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the official list until Friday morning a lot of time.

707
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: So that will not be until the end of the week, Jerome.

708
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: The kids have to put pen to paper before they

709
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: can release those names for the ones that are undrafted

710
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: free agents, and the problem is that they're not actually

711
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna be here at the facility to put pen to

712
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: paper until Thursday. So until then, everything out there is speculation.

713
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: I know there are some names out there, but unfortunately

714
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be able to talk about those names

715
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: until Penn has put the paper and that's probably not

716
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: going to be until the show on Friday. Sadly, then

717
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: you also have to understand, these undrafted rookie free agents

718
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: have to come in and pass a physical and that

719
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: and that's also on Thursday, by the way, exactly. So really,

720
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: whatever you see on the internet, it's nice that those

721
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: are maybe coming from the school that they were at.

722
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: The player, or an agent or a family member or

723
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: a teammate from college. You'll see a lot of those

724
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: things out there, and it may in fact turn out.

725
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: My experience is that of the names you will see

726
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: connected to a team on the undrafted rookie free agent

727
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: lists on the web, approximately eight of those guys probably

728
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: will wind up being signed to the rookie Minicamp. It's

729
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: a pretty high percentage. But it's not a high enough

730
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: percentage for me to start reporting on it because I

731
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: I believe in accuracy. I'm not I'm not one who enjoys.

732
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: That's not good enough for me. I I want to

733
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: see the official list and then I'll talk about guys.

734
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm a little old if you are, I know, like

735
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: on Sunday, Sunday and Monday that that's usually when they

736
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: start having people you know come in and sign the

737
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: free agency. No, no, they will. They don't arrive until Thursday,

738
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: take your physicals. They signed the contracts. Thank you so

739
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: much for calling. And again, let's make it very clear.

740
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: It is not unusual for this franchise, in particular, going

741
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: back to the days of Bill Parcels, to have three

742
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: or four undrafted rookie free agents make the fifty three.

743
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: It will be tougher this year because there's so many

744
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: draft picks there's ten of them, exactly, but it's true.

745
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: It's also a roster that's being built up with young players,

746
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: so that gives I think more room. You saw they

747
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: turn the roster over in September last year speaking of

748
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, and I just retweeted this out for

749
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: people because I'm gonna mention it right now. Andrew Brand

750
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: he used to be on the on the business side

751
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: of the personnel side the an NFL front officers, now

752
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: member of the media. This is his his his story

753
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: that he told on Twitter the other day, favorite story

754
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: of his career when drafting, When signing an undrafted player.

755
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: Signing an undrafted player, I once told the player we

756
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: would sign him in his bonus would be fivells. His response, um, darn,

757
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: I only have about one hundred, but I can get

758
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: you the rest of the week at the end of

759
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: the week, and he said, no, we pay you. The

760
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: other story told which was great, Um, he goes and

761
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: signs a player, and I see if I can find

762
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: that out. I see if I could find that one.

763
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: So oh, here we go. Once I talked directly to

764
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: a player, no agent, and he agreed to terms to

765
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: come as a free agent. Then he noticed this is

766
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Andrew noticed that that player's name was on a list

767
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: of signed players for two other teams. So he called

768
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: the player up and said, what's going on. The player said, Oh,

769
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: I thought I could sign with all of you and

770
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: then pick the team that I wanted to stay with.

771
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: That is incredible. You know I love that, and and

772
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: please again to educate you guys, there is a difference

773
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: between an undrafted rookie free agent who is signed and

774
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: a guy who has given a tryout correct, big, big

775
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: difference because you can take a tryout with multiple teams

776
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: without signing a contract. The only thing you have to

777
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: do is sign an injury waiver to participate in that

778
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: rookie free agent camp. But you can absolutely sign or

779
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: not sign. But yeah, sign an injury waiver with let's

780
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: say four teams and take a try out with all

781
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: four of those teams if they're rookie mini camps around

782
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: different days. There's nothing preventing you from doing that. If

783
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: you're a tryout player, understand that. So when you see

784
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: the list on Friday, make sure you understand there's a

785
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: tryout player and then there's a undrafted rookie free agent

786
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: signed player, different category, and those guys have guaranteed money

787
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: on their contracts. The undrafted free agents, which is the

788
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: bonuses to try to get him to come to your

789
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: team after the draft. To five on three, Jimmy and

790
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Rose Hill is up next? Hi, Jimmy, Hey, guys, we're

791
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: good Jim, Hi, how are you doing? Uh? That interview

792
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: with U with Magie was was so illuminating, but but

793
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: poorly before John, before I get to my question for you,

794
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention something to Paul. Uh, since

795
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that that twitted Darius Slayton to everybody

796
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: back in uh, you know, when you guys were asking

797
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: for for a late round pick, I feel I'm in

798
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: a position to also provide a scouting report on Dylan,

799
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: Maven and Jason's and uh uh see right, Isaiah, see right.

800
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: One's going to Tampa, Baniel is going to Oakland from

801
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: Fordham Fordham guys. Maven's got shot. Maven's got the shot

802
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: to maybe stay because of some special teams. He writes,

803
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: a local kid out of Jersey. He's athletic. But you know,

804
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see anyway. Paul. That's that's for you.

805
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: Thank you, John. You know I was watching the show

806
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: Thursday night, the night of the draft, and before everything

807
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: really kicked off, Madeline was talking with David shaw M,

808
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: and I think the question was, um, you know you've

809
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: seen a lot, you know, you've produced a lot of quarterbacks.

810
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: Know what these guys, what are they looking for and

811
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: he talked about how he you know, you dismissed the

812
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: rollouts and the screens, and you judge, how does a kid,

813
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: how does this guy throw from the pocket and en

814
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: show his estimation. Those are the guys that in the

815
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: NFL that ability to do that translates his success. And

816
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: I know on one of the shows you said you're

817
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: gonna go back and look at Jones's tape. Have you

818
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: been looking at that particular aspect? Did you mean in general?

819
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: When when I look at these quarterbacks, and this is

820
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: the problem you have a college football sometimes there are

821
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: so many yards that the quarterback doesn't have to work for.

822
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I go through these games and I go

823
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: game by game, depending the player and how in depth

824
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: I want to go, and you'll see a quarterback, you know,

825
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: complete let's say thirty passes in the game. You know,

826
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: twenty of them or a fifteen of them are gonna

827
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: be within five yards in a line of scrimmage. Those

828
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: don't interest me. Those are free yards, you know, a

829
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: little quick screen, a bubble screen, a quick pass outside,

830
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: a little three yard four yards stop. I don't care

831
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: about those. I care about the plays where the quarterbacks

832
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: dropping back or taking the ball and shotgun whatever, and

833
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: he actually has to look down the field, read and

834
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: make a throw in the balls traveling in the era

835
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: long distance. And if he's facing pressure on the play, great,

836
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: If he used to move his feet, great. Those are

837
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: the things you judge a quarterback on and going back.

838
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: And Paul took my question for Jim's. I thought it

839
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: was a great one, and I for Daniel Jeremiah say

840
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: this too. That's what made for me, Daniel Jones a

841
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: bit of of of a tough analysis, because I believe

842
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: he was very limited in what he was allowed to

843
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: do and could do by the time on around him.

844
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: He threw a ton of short passes. Now he didn't

845
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: throw a lot of passing behind the line of scrimmage,

846
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: but it was a lot of slants. There was a

847
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of stops things like that. But he had to

848
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: because if he tried to drop back and hold the

849
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: ball to throw down the field, he was gonna get

850
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: his brains beat in because Duke's offensive line couldn't block

851
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: anybody else in the A C. C. So you have

852
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: to It's almost like you watch a thousand plays, let's say,

853
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: and maybe you can use a hundred of him to

854
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: actually analyze the player, and that's how small of a

855
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: sample size you get with some of these college offenses.

856
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: And to my point, with Dwayne Haskins in Ohio State,

857
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: I think towards the end of the year he played

858
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: a lot better and you saw him get the ball

859
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: down the field more. But if you look at his

860
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: first six or seven games, everything is short pass and

861
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: run to wide receivers. It's a lot of checkdowns and

862
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: dump downs because he was a young quarterback getting used

863
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: to the position, and Ohio State did so many skilled

864
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: position players that he would throw a three yar pass

865
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: to Paris Campbell and he'd run sixty yards for a touchdown.

866
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: It looks like a sixty yard touchdown throw for for Haskins,

867
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: but he didn't really do anything. And that's what you

868
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: saw from her earlier in the year. Later in the year,

869
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: you saw him expand his game, get the ball down more,

870
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: and that's why I considered him a bit of ascending player.

871
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: But that's why it's tough to scout these quarterbacks so

872
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: much because frankly, a lot of times they just aren't

873
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL throws for you to analyze. You

874
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: know Jimmy. To further emphasize what Naggie had said, look

875
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. UH their five starting offensive lineman, two

876
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: of them got drafted, One was first team All Big Ten,

877
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: one was second team All Big Ten, one was third

878
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: team All Big Ten. The other two starters were honorable

879
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: mention All Big Ten. He had two wide receivers drafted

880
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: and a third wide receiver who was going to an

881
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: NFL camp. He had a running back who was a

882
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: thousand yard rusher and also got drafted, and by the way,

883
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: I think about that, for a second and even better

884
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: running back that's going to be a first round pick

885
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: next year in Dobbins. Okay, so look look at the

886
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: foundation that he had around him. On top of that,

887
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: he had incredibly inflated stats because most of his completions

888
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: were against defensive backs on the other side who will

889
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: never even sniff an NFL roster. And so this is

890
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: all part of that mystery gray area that you have

891
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: to take into account and say, did this guy face adversity?

892
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: Did he face the kind of hectic, helter skelter, nail biting,

893
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: sweat kind of situations, sweat causing situations that you will

894
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I mean John could stand

895
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: there behind that line with those targets and knowing that

896
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: the corner is gonna be three or four yards off

897
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and complete a pass. Jimmy, I would love.

898
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: I would love to get in some type of virtual

899
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: reality machine and just simulate a season with Haskins on

900
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: Duke and Jones on Ohio State. I have no I'm

901
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: so serious. I have no idea how each quarterback would do.

902
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jones's numbers would get much much

903
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: better to as good as Haskins were. I don't know

904
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: if Haskins would do better than Jones and Duke. There's

905
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: no way to know that. It's impossibly. You don't know

906
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: how the players will react in those situations. Because if

907
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: Haskins was a Duke, he would have been starting as

908
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: freshman year two, so he would have had two years

909
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: of experience there. So it goes both ways. And the

910
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: environment around the quarterback, and we've talked about this to

911
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: pro level two has a big impact on the type

912
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: of player is going to be and we talked about

913
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: this with with Kyler Murray's analysis too. He sat there

914
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: behind that Olklaholm offensive line and nobody touched the dude.

915
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: He played behind the best offense. No, well, Samia was

916
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: said some time, Samia went, I mean powers, I think

917
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: he got dressed. I mean yeah, here's what we do know,

918
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: here's what we docs level. And you know, every now

919
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: and then we try to quote unquote step up to

920
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: like the C A A or maybe when ye we

921
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: played on me and at that level, you can see,

922
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, the difference in talent. I can only it's

923
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: got to be ratcheted a hundred times up when you

924
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: compare with the kids that were playing, you know, Duke

925
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: and the kids that they were going to the teams

926
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: they were going up against, as opposed to the entire

927
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: million college roster and all the facilities and everything else

928
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: that was available to you Ohio State. There's just no

929
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: it's it's people don't realize just how apples and oranges.

930
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: It really is disparity of talent, you know, at that

931
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: at those levels of the course. But Tang's point and

932
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: to everything that you just said, John and Paul Brian

933
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: Boldinger has a tape out. It's a little clip on Twitter.

934
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen it? I saw. It's about Daniel

935
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Jones taking the ball up the field like fifty yards

936
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: on the touchdown the quarterback dropped. No, but he also

937
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: has a cut up poll where he's just he said,

938
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: I went to Duke. He said, you can't watch Duke football.

939
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: And it's just one series after another. Way. This kid

940
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: makes the play, puts the ball where you have to

941
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: put it, and the kids drop it and it's and

942
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: he's also got its. Yeah, the drops that he suffered.

943
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I did see that one Twitter. It's absolutely hilarious. Thank

944
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: you appreciated, Jimmy. I'll check that out. By the way,

945
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: thirty eight total drops lead the n c double A

946
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: last year, and and that's a coining to Pro Football Focus.

947
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: We're not pulling that number out of our butt. So

948
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: just like two years ago, Eli had fifty plus drops

949
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: on him and again to the receivers. Again, what happens.

950
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: This is just us explaining what the evaluation is and

951
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: explaining what it is. I don't know what he would

952
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: have been like in a different scenario. Neither of this, Paul,

953
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: nobody does. This is but when they when NFL teams scout,

954
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: this is why they don't scout box scores. This is

955
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: why you scout tape. So we'll see again. We talked

956
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: to a million times. We know who Jones is gonna

957
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: be compared to. He's gonna be compared to Sam Donald

958
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: last year, Dawayne Haskins this year, Josh Rosen this year,

959
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that get that got that were taken

960
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: in the past two years except for Baker Mayfield and

961
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: Murray because they weren't available to the Giants when they selected.

962
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: But he will be compared to all those guys, and

963
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: we'll find out when they all play in a few

964
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: years who's gonna be the best guy. The one thing

965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: we do know for sure is that Daniel Jones has

966
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: three years of starting experience at the n C Double

967
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: A Division one level. Haskins and Murray only had one apiece.

968
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: And we know that experience is the best teaching tool,

969
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: and we know that experience also gives you an idea

970
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: of how to deal with adversity and when things go

971
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: wrong and when things are chaotic around you. And there is,

972
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: without question, without question, a huge advantage in that particular

973
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: area for Jones and Locke over the other two quarterbacks,

974
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: and one of the significant reasons why I never would

975
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: have touched Murray or Haskins in this draft period, and

976
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: the Giants saw it the same way. Michael long Island

977
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: is up next. Hey Mike Hi, how you doing? Okay?

978
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: So this this is the dilemma that I have. The

979
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: Redskins have already stated that most likely Haskins is going

980
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: to start from day one. Okay, then card knows. I've

981
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: already said that absolutely, Murray, you will start from day one. Now,

982
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: Gentleman has stated that Jones might sit on the bench

983
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: for up to three years depending on how well Eli

984
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: plays well. He said, up to yeah, well, and but

985
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: but like that is dependent on how Eli Manning plays

986
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: and how the team performs with Eli. Okay, so let's

987
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: assume Manning does very well and they extend Manning for

988
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: another two years. I don't think that's gonna happen. Then

989
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: this developmental player is going to sit on the bench

990
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: for three years and we picked them at number six.

991
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: That's unacceptable to me. Do you think the Packers are

992
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: upset that Aaron Rodgers at for three years and became

993
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. No, I'm saying is they should have

994
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: taken that either Ed Oliver or Josh Allen. And there's

995
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: no emergency in picking a quarterback this year, giants to

996
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: go nowhere next year anyway, They're lucky if they go

997
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Wait mate, The point is the following year in they

998
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: can go for a quarterback, which the class is supposed

999
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: to be a better Yea, they have to give up.

1000
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: If they have to give up the house to select

1001
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback, uh you know, up up there in the draft,

1002
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: then do it and then who shots from day one? No,

1003
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: but Mike, first of all, on your initial scenario, you said,

1004
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback next year. Right, Well, if that quarterback

1005
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: you're picking next year and you're picking him right away

1006
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: after giving up the house, that means Eli didn't play well,

1007
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: and that means Daniel Jones is starting next year anyway. No, no, no, no,

1008
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is they have to make a decision with

1009
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: Eli Manning at the end of this year, because yeah,

1010
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: this is his last year on his contract, correct, correct,

1011
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: So if they if he does very well and they

1012
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: extend his contrast and you don't need a quarterback next year,

1013
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is there's no emergency needs to take a

1014
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: quarterback now. Well, Mike, well, Mike, you're right, it isn't

1015
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: an emergency. And we said that we said, they can

1016
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: come out of this draft at a quarterback, and you

1017
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: would be Okay, I agree with you. I was on

1018
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: that side of the Paul was I was not. But

1019
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, my if you're sitting at six

1020
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: and there's a guy there that you believe is going

1021
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: to be your next franchise quarterback, there is no price

1022
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: too high to pay, and I would rather use one

1023
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: pick on him now, then wait till next year and

1024
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: trade three number one picks to move from eighteen to

1025
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: two to go get him next year. I like that

1026
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: strategy better. Here, here's one thing I want you to remember.

1027
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is coming out at twenty one years of age,

1028
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: so there is no crime. If he lies healthy and

1029
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: he does well and he plays in two thousand twenty,

1030
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: big deal. So what Daniel Jones sits for two years

1031
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: and absorbs everything from ELI and then he's still only

1032
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: twenty three? WHOOPI do? Whooped? He do? You're making it

1033
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: sound like he's gonna be wasted and grow old like

1034
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: great Van Winkl. No, no, No, What I'm saying is

1035
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: that the Giants are giving the opposite, giving up the

1036
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to win now with elive the point is, if

1037
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: Eli plays well and you gave up that number six

1038
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: pick to some guy that's gonna sit on the bench

1039
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: for a possible three years, and you could have had

1040
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Ed Oliver and maybe it's seven team.

1041
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: You could have picked uh an offensive tackle. Maybe the

1042
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Giants could be in the hold on, Hold on, Mike, Mike,

1043
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: you now hit. You now hit a very sensitive button

1044
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: form because I am emphatic, emphatic in my belief that

1045
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman's draft was actually meant to play both ends

1046
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: of the spectrum. They got the quarterback of the future

1047
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: in Gentleman's estimation, But he drafted seven out of ten

1048
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: players on defense, a defense that badly needed a blood transfusion.

1049
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: And what did he do the run stopper to fill

1050
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: the gap of Snacks's departure, the corner, to fill the

1051
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: gap of the apple and web departures, x Man comes

1052
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: in to fill the gap of the vernon the archers.

1053
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: What exactly are you looking at? The guy took seven

1054
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: out of ten players on defense, and he made sure

1055
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: that he drafted a handful of defensive players right after

1056
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: he got the Daniel Jones picked out of the way

1057
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: that is absolutely designed to dramatically improve this defense, which

1058
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: was ranked twenty three, to maybe try to get them

1059
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: somewhere into the fifteen sixteen range so that they can

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Speaker 1: win games in two thousand eighteen. I'm gonna tell you

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00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: right now, and I put it on covered three last week.

1062
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: Now he got me, he got me going here, John.

1063
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: I put it uncovered three last week that the Giants

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00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: will have as many as six rookies make significant contributions

1065
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: out of this draft. And I'm including Sambille because he's

1066
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: a pseudo member of this rookie class. And if that happens,

1067
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: then Dave Gettleman did what he wanted to do. Then

1068
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: he got his quarterback in the future, and he did

1069
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: something help this eman nineteen. I'm sorry he hit a

1070
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: hot spot for mope, but that's fair. But I think

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00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: his point is also true. If they did exactly what

1072
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: you wanted them to do, and they did, and they

1073
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: also drafted Josh Allen, they'd be better just for this

1074
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: particular year. There there's no question about it. For one year,

1075
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: they'd be better. Yes, right, that's undebatable. But here's Dave

1076
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: get him from Saturday real quick. Then we can take

1077
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: the last two calls, he was asked about um picking

1078
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: a player that's maybe not might not play next year

1079
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: and given immediate benefit, which is exactly the question of

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00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: qual or asked about which question? This is what he said.

1081
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: I'm on a tight rope. I've got to think short

1082
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: term and I've got to think long term. That's the

1083
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: box I'm in, That's the position I'm in. Coaches have

1084
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: to win now. And I asked myself, and I've told

1085
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: you a million times, I asked myself that question. Am

1086
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: I giving Pat and the guys enough players to win? Okay?

1087
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: And you're really you know, it's tough. And I'll skip

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00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: a couple of lines here, So it's tough, it really is.

1089
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't easier for me to pass up Josh Allen.

1090
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: For me my background, that was very, very difficult. But

1091
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: I think that much of Daniel Jones in his future

1092
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: as an NFL quarterback. And look, guys, I've been pumping

1093
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: up quarterback far more than Paul has over the last

1094
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: two years. You guys all know that if you listen

1095
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: to the show for me, there's gonna be nothing more

1096
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: important that Dave Gentleman does. Then find Eli Manning's successor.

1097
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: Nothing dictates a franchise of success more then they're starting quarterback.

1098
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they're head coach too, but the quarterback is certainly

1099
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: one or one A. Okay, So I am willing to

1100
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: sacrifice some short term benefit if the Giants get the

1101
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: right guy. We'll find out if Daniel Jones is the

1102
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: right guy. The Giants believe that he is, We'll find out.

1103
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: Two four, five, one three. Let's go back to the

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00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: phones and say what's up to Brandon and ccaucus. Hey Brandon, Hey, guys,

1105
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: how you doing. Ticket holder? You look, I want to

1106
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: drive two points home here o um one, this is

1107
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: a fellow Giants fans out there, just call him down. Calm, yeah,

1108
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: everyone has this certain guys they want. Let me tell

1109
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: you something. Now we're hearing this from media analysts. Okay, journalists.

1110
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: These are shock shock journalists and a clickbait world. Okay.

1111
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: I trust in the process. It may work, I may

1112
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: not work out, but trust in the process. I remember

1113
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, I'm sitting in a winners club in

1114
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: the two thousand four draft watching the draft. Remember that's

1115
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: the party they used to have when we got Eli

1116
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: in that trade and gave up all these picks. Every

1117
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: Giant fan was going nuts. We this, we gave up everything.

1118
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: I remember people screaming. I was hitting the han him

1119
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: a cheesteak, and I'm like, guys, trust in the process, Brandon, Brandon.

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00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: I've admitted this many times because I never run from

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00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: anything I say. I told everybody then they can still

1122
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: get to another super Bowl with Carry Collins. I don't

1123
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: see why they have to draft a quarterback. Wellington Marry

1124
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: himself supported keeping Carry Collins and did not want to

1125
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: draft of the quarterback. But Ernie, of course, he had conviction.

1126
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: He pulled the trigger. And I remember saying after it

1127
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: was done, because I wanted to rebuild the offensive line.

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00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: I wanted Robert Gallery, the guy who went to the Raiders.

1129
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: I was hoping they'd move up and get Gallery to

1130
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: help protect Collins. Okay, And I don't run from anything

1131
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: I say. And by the way, admitting that is integrity.

1132
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't want from anything I say. Okay, because I

1133
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: got too many years of knowledge and experience behind me.

1134
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: I will never run from anything. And I will say this.

1135
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: At that point in time, I said, okay for this

1136
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: trade to work out, because I believe Collins can get

1137
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: the Giants to another Super Bowl. I think he's that good.

1138
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: Eli Manning has to get the Giants to two Super

1139
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: Bowls in the next dozen years, and if he does that,

1140
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: then this was the right thing to do. Well, Eli

1141
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: did it. Not only did he do it, he wanted

1142
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: and won two m v ps, So in retrospect, it

1143
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: was the right mon. I actually said this to to

1144
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: somebody upstairs this morning. We're having a casual conversation, and

1145
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: I said to him, this is one that's involved in

1146
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: the draft process. I go, look, everyone's complaining about over drafting.

1147
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: I worked at f An back in two thousand and four,

1148
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: and right after that trade on Draft Day, people were

1149
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: losing their minds over everybody the Giants traded. I remember

1150
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: back in October of two thousand and seven, after Eli

1151
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: had that brutal interception game against the Vikings to just

1152
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: play one of the worst games, and people were literally

1153
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: knocking off the players that the Chargers were able to

1154
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: add because of the Eli Manning trade, and Sean Merriman

1155
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: I believe, was one of those players correct, And people like,

1156
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: my goodness, you could have had you could have had

1157
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and you could have had him, and you

1158
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: could add him, and you could have had him, and

1159
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: everyone was losing their minds Now today there isn't one

1160
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: giant fan that gives a you know what about what

1161
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: they gave up to get Eli Manning. And that's where

1162
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: we're at with Daniel Jones. Will see if he works

1163
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: out right, real quick, yeah, we real quick. Gotta ask

1164
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: you a serious question. Sure you call it grady or sauce.

1165
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: Oh I I still call it sauce. I'm sorry, but

1166
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: I knew brand will be upset about that. I'm sorry,

1167
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. I still call it sauce. Thank you, appreciate it.

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00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: I get it. Though it's really tomato tomato. It doesn't

1169
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: really make a lot of difference. Michael and Queens will

1170
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: be our final caller. Hey, Michael Fellas, I wanted to

1171
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: say that your coverage of the draft was it phenomenon? Michael,

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: Thank you? And I want to say this too, real quick,

1173
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: superseding all of the sudo major networks, So you're very Michael,

1174
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. And let me say this,

1175
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: your voice is phenomenal. Good voice he's got he's got

1176
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: a good radio voice, no doubt. Um, Mr p Yes, sir,

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: I speak to you I speak to you all the

1178
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Speaker 1: time on Twitter. This is Mr William ten seventy two.

1179
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: There you go, And I want you and John to

1180
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: know I told you on Twitter. But I want you

1181
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: guys to know y'all get me through my dialysis treatment. Well,

1182
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: thank you, Mike. We appreciate Big Blue Kickoff Live means

1183
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: the world to me. God bless you, and I hope

1184
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: everything goes well exactly best to luck to you on

1185
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: the treatments. Michael. Um, I know on what begins the

1186
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: end of the show, so I wanted to get to

1187
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: my point. My point was number one. I'm so glad

1188
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: my fellow Giant Sands are not the GMS, because I

1189
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: don't know where we would be. Daniel Jones played behind

1190
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: an offensive line that was really me, Paul and Lands blocking,

1191
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: so I don't know how you expect him when his

1192
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: when his constituents pretty much put their whole teams on

1193
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: NFL rosters, that's unfair. Um. But most importantly, I wanted

1194
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: to know who did you, gentlemen think would be the

1195
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: sleeper of the Giant draft? And I'll hang up, but

1196
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: I want you to know my pick is Georgia Giant.

1197
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't want people to miss out on the fact

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00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was kept up right this year by

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Speaker 1: a seventh round offensive lineman, and we draft dude, a

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01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: fluid seventh round offensive lineman who blocked against a top

1201
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: seven pass rusher, but the whole year, Big George Kentucky.

1202
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: I'll take your comments off the air, and I appreciate

1203
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: the bo and thank you were calling you being such

1204
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: a loyal listener and viewer. Thank you very much. Um.

1205
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: I think I think Big George's is a good one.

1206
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: My guess is that he's more of a developmental guy.

1207
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna take some time, which is fine.

1208
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong seventh round pick. You're not gonna get

1209
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a you know, an impact right away. Like would it

1210
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: shock you if if if he's sitting on the practice

1211
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: squad as a development the player this year, not at all,

1212
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: not at all. So, I mean, so he would definitely

1213
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: be a sleeper. Can you count Julian Love was a sleeper?

1214
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I was on the fourth round. Well

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: then that's easy, that's easy, you know me. I had

1216
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: a second on Greade on him. He does everything. They

1217
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: even said, um, Dave Gentleman on serious that they might

1218
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: even think will play free safety at some point. He

1219
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: thinks he's that smart of a player. So to me,

1220
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: that's the easy one. If you want to go deeper,

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01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: I think it's balantine. Because of his physical stature and

1222
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: time numbers, I think he has the potential to be

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: a real cover corner. Yeah. I think when you take

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Speaker 1: a guy on the fourth round of Love's abilities, that's

1225
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: definitely a sleeper because he fell that far. I just

1226
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: think called him a sleeper because we talked about him

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Speaker 1: so much. We did so we we even talked about

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Speaker 1: it before the pick, and then you said I wanted

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01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: I called him. That's right. So to me, he's got

1230
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: to be the sleeper because he's a fourth round pick.

1231
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: But but I do believe the most widely crafty, foxy

1232
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 1: move that Gettleman made was the trade up and get

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker at the end of the first round because

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01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I personally, from my liking, I liked him as the

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01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: best covered corner because of his physicality, his ability to

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: play the run, and and he's got he's got some

1237
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: real swagger and attitude about him. I just thought that

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01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: trading up when they had a big run on corners

1239
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: early in the second round. I don't think the Giants

1240
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: would have gotten him at thirty seven, but I just

1241
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: don't folks one more thing quickly before he say goodbye.

1242
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: Just I want to plug something that our folks over

1243
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: at NFL dot com that I thought was this great

1244
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: material that I think you should take a take a

1245
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: listen to. And I tweeted earlier today Daniel Jeremiah and

1246
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks do a podcast called Move the Sticks right,

1247
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: and that's why Daniel Jeremiah's Twitter handle was Moved the Sticks.

1248
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: So when you have a chance, gone whatever Twitter feed,

1249
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 1: you have tuned in, whatever whatever you got, go check

1250
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: it out. They did an episode called Daniel Jones three

1251
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: sixty and if you love Jack coverage, they do a

1252
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: great job, by the way, and it's basically an hour

1253
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: and ten minutes. And I can teach you how to

1254
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: find podcast on your phone if if you need the help,

1255
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: yeah I can. I can help you with that. Fine,

1256
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: So go on find find Move the Sticks. Finding Daniel

1257
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: Jones three six episode. They talked to his parents, his sister,

1258
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: his high school coach, and his quarterback coach over an

1259
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes, and you learn every single thing

1260
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: about the background of this kid that you could possibly

1261
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: want and know him as a person as much as

1262
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: you know him as a player. I listened to it

1263
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 1: yesterday in my communal while I was walking my dog,

1264
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: and it's great. It's great, and it just gives you

1265
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: great background information and exactly the type of person giants yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Tell me this yesterday morning when I had ten miles

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Speaker 1: show up the facility, and I'll tell you so, just

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Speaker 1: make sure you check that out of your giant fan.

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Speaker 1: It really is fantastic. And you can see on my

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Speaker 1: Twitter feed too. We talked to Daniel Jones over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence over the weekend, and Julian Love over the

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Speaker 1: weekend on Big Book Kick OFLF Live. If you can

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Speaker 1: give me a retweet on those that be good, I

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Speaker 1: already perfect all on one, all on one tweet. I

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Speaker 1: like that. I triple combo. Then you don't want to

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Speaker 1: retweet me to get me more followers. I know, I

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Speaker 1: just made it easier for everybody to go to one

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Speaker 1: place for all three. I see, I'm selfish. I want

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Speaker 1: more stuff from me. I don't about the number style

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Speaker 1: all good stuff. And then thank you the fans out

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Speaker 1: there for calling him thank you for Jim Naggy Uh.

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Speaker 1: We'll probably have an article on that Jim Naggie in

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Speaker 1: Tovie up later from Dan Salamode as well. For Paul Latino,

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmuckle. See you next time on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kick Golf Live Me and Jeff Feagles tomorrow. Audios