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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,

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Speaker 1: which is brought to you by First Light. Today's episode

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Speaker 1: is all about how dear really kind of are like

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Speaker 1: rabbits with anilers. If I have a catchphrase, it's rabbits

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Speaker 1: with handlers. I say it on a podcast all the time,

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Speaker 1: but I also believe it. I don't think dear are

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Speaker 1: really as mysterious as we like to make them out

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Speaker 1: to be, And in fact, we've probably demystified the white

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Speaker 1: tail more than just about any other critter out there,

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Speaker 1: just just through its popularity. Now, I'm not saying they're

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Speaker 1: not fascinating wonderful animals, because I really think they are.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you take the Labrador Retriever off the list,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. White tales are probably my favorite animal,

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Speaker 1: but they are still kind of like rabbits with anilers,

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Speaker 1: and that's what this whole episode is really about. Listen, folks,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in a weird direction with this one

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Speaker 1: at first, so I ask you just to bear me

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Speaker 1: out for the next couple of minutes. Okay. Now, I

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Speaker 1: often hear from hunters who are frustrated that they can't

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Speaker 1: kill big bucks. Hell, I don't. Quite often I hear

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Speaker 1: from hunters who are frustrated that they can't kill little

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Speaker 1: bucks or dose or fawns. Deer hunting can be tough,

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Speaker 1: It can be really difficult. But to frame this up,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about something that I geek out

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Speaker 1: over space. Remember I asked you to stay with me here.

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Speaker 1: I love space. In fact, I love space so much

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Speaker 1: that my wife and I have a running joke who

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Speaker 1: you lay down in bed at night? Where she'll turn

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Speaker 1: to me and say, you get one space fact, make

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Speaker 1: it good. So I have to think really hard about

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Speaker 1: I don't know how stars are formed, or what actually

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Speaker 1: happened to make planet Earth, or what we know about

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Speaker 1: black holes or the sheer distance between us and anything

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Speaker 1: else in the cosmos. And then I plucked some tasty

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Speaker 1: morsel out of there to feed her with. And she's

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Speaker 1: usually unimpressed, but that's okay. She's kind of largely stuck

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Speaker 1: with me until something better comes along. Anyway, I love space,

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Speaker 1: and right now something amazing is happening out there. There

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Speaker 1: is a telescope, the James web Space telescope that is

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Speaker 1: sitting at a point in space called L two or

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Speaker 1: Lagrange to. This point in space is the sweet spot

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Speaker 1: between huge celestial bodies and their gravity. In other words,

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Speaker 1: objects in L two tend to just kind of sit

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Speaker 1: there because the gravity from the nearest object cancels out

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Speaker 1: the gravity from the other nearest object. A fellow named

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Speaker 1: Joseph Lagrange figured that out using math that I couldn't

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Speaker 1: possibly even come close to be able to understand or

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Speaker 1: describe to you. The cell two point is nearly a

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Speaker 1: million miles from Earth, and the James Webb Telescope has

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Speaker 1: been sitting out there for months now, just cooling off

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Speaker 1: and calibrating itself, you know, with the help of course,

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Speaker 1: of a whole team of people at NASA. This telescope,

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Speaker 1: which weighs roughly fourteen thousand pounds and features a gold

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five degrees fahrenheit. It had to cool

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Speaker 1: off to that point and was designed to do so

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Speaker 1: so that there would be no interference with its imaging

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Speaker 1: capabilities because it will be looking for infrared heat signatures

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Speaker 1: form after the Big Bang. This telescope is designed with

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Speaker 1: take crystal clear images of galaxies and stars that are

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Speaker 1: far away. Is thirteen point six billion with a b

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Speaker 1: light years. The light travels had a hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: six thousand miles per second, or about six trillion miles

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Speaker 1: per year. The light that the James Webb Telescope is

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Speaker 1: going to look at at least some of the light

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Speaker 1: thirteen point six billion light years. Essentially, this thing is

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Speaker 1: looking back in time at light that has been on

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Speaker 1: for that long, and it does something called red shifting.

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Speaker 1: To really understand red shifting, you have to be familiar

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Speaker 1: with Einstein's theory or relativity, or at least recognize that

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Speaker 1: it's coming into play when the objects in the universe

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Speaker 1: Telescope is built with four instruments designed to detect this

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Speaker 1: specific type of light. Scientists will also use this telescope

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Speaker 1: to try to determine how galaxies form, how stars form,

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Speaker 1: that right. Today scientists have discovered thousands of exoplanets, but

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Speaker 1: use spectroscopy to do just that. By observing when a

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Speaker 1: types of elements and molecules are present. Some like methane

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Speaker 1: could indicate life. It's wild stuff, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: people built it, people like you and I. Well, people

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Speaker 1: probably a lot smarter than you and I, but still.

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Speaker 1: They set out years ago to create a telescope that

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Speaker 1: matter how advanced we get in our space travel. They designed, tested, bill, tested, redesigned, tested,

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Speaker 1: the universe we've never seen. Think about that. Now, think

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Speaker 1: about this. We are trying to kill rabbits with antlers.

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Speaker 1: That's it. They may be good at surviving, but in

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Speaker 1: the thinking department, even the dullest podcast listener Mark has

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Speaker 1: ever reached is orders of magnitude smarter than the smartest buck.

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Speaker 1: Take the hardest, hunted, sick and a half year old

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Speaker 1: You might not want to hear them. For starters, pray,

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Speaker 1: animals are just good at not getting eaten. That's basically

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Speaker 1: the main component of their job description. It's point number one.

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Speaker 1: Just don't get eaten every day, every week, every year.

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Speaker 1: Now they die in other ways, I know. But to them,

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Speaker 1: when we walk into the woods, we are as scary

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Speaker 1: And so when they're thinking about not getting eaten, they're

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Speaker 1: We do a lot of this stuff wrong. That's why

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Speaker 1: why do we struggle? Oftentimes We actually just don't give

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Speaker 1: much credit. They aren't some magical beasts that you'd read

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Speaker 1: They can't really outthink us. They don't have the mental

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Speaker 1: it many times. That mid one fourteen pointer changed my

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Speaker 1: like to eat soybeans in the rain. Maybe the other

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Speaker 1: We don't have grizzlies trying to munch on us, most

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Speaker 1: They quite literally live off of their instincts. The slightest

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Speaker 1: So over the last few months, I've been interviewing wildlife

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Speaker 1: Each episode is an ode of sorts, too Dear, and

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Speaker 1: realize that the white deal deserves a lot of credit

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Speaker 1: cool and adaptable and smart that we can't outmatch him.

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Speaker 1: We can, We all can. And next week I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you how you should think about yourself as

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Speaker 1: That's it for this week, my friends. I'm Tony Peterson

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Speaker 1: and this is been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,

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