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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Hey Zeron, It's

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Speaker 1: up Elizabeth Dutton nothing much. Do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: Oh girl, I do. Do you know that Keanu Reeves

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Speaker 1: almost changed his name once because he was debating before

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Speaker 1: he should be counter Reeves or Chuck Spadina Chuck Spadina. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad he has not changed his name. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was like sitting there at the beginning of his career.

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Speaker 1: People were like, Keanue, this is like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: late eighties for him, and he's like They're like, that's

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Speaker 1: just so hard to spell, and no, you need something

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Speaker 1: strong like Chuck Spadina. Well that's actually what he came up,

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Speaker 1: which was his DNA is on par with Regina Corntower.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's up there. It's totally up there.

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Speaker 1: But he also had other options. There was also Templeton

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Speaker 1: Page Taylor for a much more right down the middle

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Speaker 1: the road name. Templeton Page Taylor. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I debated this when I started my professional

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Speaker 1: career because I have the same name as my father,

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Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, I could totally change my name,

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Speaker 1: but I excited against it because I could not think

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Speaker 1: of a name to use. I honestly, so I'm impressed

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Speaker 1: that he did it for like, you know, good reasons.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I want to honor my you know, Chinese heritage,

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Speaker 1: and I want to keep my Hawaiian descent name. And

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, okay, I respect I respect that. Yeah. Me,

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Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't thank him anything. I

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Speaker 1: guess going with Erin, I'm glad you use for your

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Speaker 1: public facing. Yeah, so that's life. Both of us have

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Speaker 1: ridiculous I have a ridiculous name that I use, and

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Speaker 1: he has a ridiculous story why he doesn't have a name.

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Speaker 1: I like it. That's ridiculous. Uh. You know what else

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous? Oh, I'm here for it. Kidnapping a high

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Speaker 1: profile preacher from the sunny waters of the Pacific Ocean. Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 1: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent ridiculous. Zaren Elizabeth, did you watch the

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Speaker 1: Perry Mason reboot on HBO? Oh? Hell, yeah don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't watch TV, but I loved it. Yeah, I watched TV.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you all about it. Oh you you

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Speaker 1: loved it too, Okay, I did? So you did see

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Speaker 1: like through like through windows when you're walking a dog,

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Speaker 1: remote viewing like I just close my eyes and interesting. Um.

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Speaker 1: There's a character on that show called Sister Alice mckegan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: evangelical preachers. She started and runs the Radiant Assembly of

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Speaker 1: God on the show, right, and she had a mom,

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Speaker 1: Bertie mckegan, who was like the schemer behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: acts as like a puppet master. And all the corruption

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Speaker 1: in the church really good for someone who doesn't watch

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Speaker 1: trev Now, wasn't that crazy? Um? They're like carnival folk

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Speaker 1: turn religious and they pull off quote unquote miracles, put

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Speaker 1: on spectacles, all with their hands out for a donation.

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Speaker 1: All very nineteen thirties, very much. So this mother daughter

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Speaker 1: team on the show was a corrupt version of real

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Speaker 1: life people. Amy Simple McPherson, sister Amy and her mother

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Speaker 1: You hear that? Oh you do? Yeah, well you'll she's

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Speaker 1: hot and heavy down and so she was born in Canada,

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Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety, right, mom, super religious, all in like

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Speaker 1: he's fighting for your souls, Aaron, Okay. Amy rebelled from that,

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Speaker 1: but then eventually came back to the fold and understood

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Speaker 1: of the ministry of Jesus Christ, Savior, baptizer with the

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Speaker 1: She was groundbreaking and that she had racially integrated services,

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Speaker 1: them all. The temple had forty million visitors within the

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Speaker 1: Let me get my match. She's running multiple shows at

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Speaker 1: had two big joel's Amy and Kenneth. They had chemistry

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Speaker 1: He wrote a book called Sister Amy, The Life of

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Speaker 1: Amy Semple McPherson makes sense, that's a good title, good

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Speaker 1: Temple acoustics were so good that the casual dialogue between

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Speaker 1: are like, well, I think she's actually out in the grief.

420
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: We all react differently in grief. And so she puts

421
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: out this twenty give money to death, calm down, twenty

422
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars reward. Wow, yeah, I just yeah. So

423
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: she thought it would go unclaimed and she offered it

424
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: as a way to squash rumors that her daughter was

425
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: still alive somewhere. So she's like trying to convince people.

426
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, she trying to keep the ministry gone.

427
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: I guess she's like, let's keep coming back exactly. Yeah.

428
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, though, she's planning the memorial service, so she

429
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: puts out the reward, but she's still planning the service.

430
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: May thirty. First, a lawyer named R. A. McKinley went

431
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: to the cops and why are lawyers always with the

432
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: two letters? Like, oh R A G VW Because like Robert,

433
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: maybe there's a bunch of Robert McKinley's and here it

434
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: feels like they don't want you to know their full name.

435
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, Like oh yeah, sure you know Z. W. Burnett. Well,

436
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: like authors do it, it's lawyers. Did you think so E. C. Dutton?

437
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good. No, see, it really depends on

438
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: the letters. You know, you got like a good double consonant,

439
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: like what are they j W. That kind of works, yeah,

440
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: K Chesterton, G. K. Chesterton, thanks producer day. Well, what

441
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: if you had like um Franklin ulysses dude, fud I

442
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: you d if you dude, if that's what you're going for. Sorry,

443
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: I let you down. A lot of work has a

444
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: lot of scaffolding to get there. How much is this

445
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: this first and middle name? Where is the last? Well

446
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: every time I first and second initial know, but you

447
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: threw in dude you yeah, I got you. Wait wait wait,

448
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: wait before we go on, we're missing the O G

449
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: two initial Guy my man y a tittle? Oh yes?

450
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: Or ip Freely or r A McKinley. He's a lawyer.

451
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: He goes to the cops. He tells the kid that

452
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: he says, look, dudes, two kidnappers came to my office.

453
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: They said they were holding amy and that they wanted

454
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars. And the cops were like, what

455
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: do they look like? And lawyers like I would love

456
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: to help you, but in case you haven't noticed, I'm blind.

457
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: Is he really? He's totally Before I laughed, I wanted

458
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: him tell us what they look like, and he's like, well,

459
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: smacking him with his cane, like I wish I could

460
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: tell you, detectives, did you notice anything about me? So? Um,

461
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: there's this book, The Vanishing Evangelist, and this is what

462
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: was written in there. Came out in nineteen fifty nine.

463
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: McKinley quote was a cousin of the twenty fifth president.

464
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: He had been blinded by a gun explosion in Cuba

465
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: in the Spanish American War. Came to California from Idaho

466
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixteen was admitted to the bar. In

467
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six he had a scratch practice in Long Beach.

468
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Hit Long Beach, Long Beach. I just got in the rhythm.

469
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: I was like on the ocean with it. His clients

470
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: ran mostly to bootleggers and petty offenders. Okay, so that

471
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: this paints his picture of he's a mob lawyer, but

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: not even a good one, not exactly. So the cops, though,

473
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: they're like, let's follow this lead, Hey where this goes?

474
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: And they're like high five in each other and he waum.

475
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: So they worked with Mini and they developed a series

476
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: of four questions that the kidnappers would be given, and

477
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: that that's what they could use to prove that they

478
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: really had Amy. Are you a Baptist? Are you a healer?

479
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Are you a king? How many fingers am I holding it? Sorry?

480
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: Are you a kangm? So here's these are questions that

481
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: only Amy could answer. Here they are describe hammock at

482
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: home in Canada and where it was all right, Okay,

483
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: I could take a shot of that. Describe my at

484
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: home on farm and give name. She's just dropping articles

485
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: in there. She's like, I don't need on our farm

486
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and give a no forget it. Tell me about dog. Yes, um,

487
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: described dining room stove at home. Okay, who was Wallace

488
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: at our home? Was? She as sending this as a

489
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: telegram and paying by the word. But it's fun to

490
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: read them like that. It's great McKinley. He's given the

491
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: questions to pass along to the kidnap on June nineteenth,

492
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: so this has been a while. Minnie gets another ransom letter. Yeah,

493
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: so we're a month out because it was May eighteenth.

494
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: She gets another ransom letter. This one was signed by

495
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: the Avengers. Wait a minute, they switched up their names,

496
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: Like we didn't get your attention with we've work shopped

497
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: at Now we're back with Avengers and they're like, say

498
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: that one works. You hear the difference, right? We all agree, Yeah,

499
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: they workshopped it. So um. It had been mailed the

500
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: day before from a train that was traveling between El

501
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: Paso and two sons did they get more respect with

502
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: the name change. Did that really be? Well, there's two things.

503
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: They changed it to the Avengers, which like, hello Marvel.

504
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah that everyone knows. That's a proven formula. I'm pretty

505
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: sure they're pre Avengers, I think so. Yeah, they invented them.

506
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: So they invent these comic book characters. But also they

507
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: mailed the letter from a moving train going between El

508
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Paso and Tucson, Like they put it into paper airplane

509
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: form and then shot it out and it drifted zoop

510
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: zup with like a little dotted line behind it, and

511
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: it landed in a passing mailman's bag. Okay, Minnie Mailmily,

512
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: was he in family circus like in the newspaper? Yes,

513
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: that's how the line worked. You're seeing exactly what I'm

514
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: secing this one. So in the letter was a lock

515
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: of reddish brown hair. Guess who had reddish brown hair?

516
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: The dog yes, Amy and correct answers to the first

517
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: two questions, So you know, describe hammock at home in

518
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Canada and where it was. They're like, um, all right,

519
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: a woven wire one between two apple trees. Darn I

520
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: was a wire hammock. Yeah, it's comfortable, like in the heat. No,

521
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: that's and then the second answer described my dog at

522
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: home on farm and give name that was. The hound

523
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: was black and named Jip. What if their answer was

524
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: fun and flirty and they're like, cant dog was kind

525
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: of fun and flirty or a kicky little scarf. So

526
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: the letter, this letter they did. They wanted again the

527
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars ransom. They also said they were

528
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: quote sick and tired of her infernal preaching. She spouted

529
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: scripture and everything in answer to everything, so she's just

530
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: bibling out on them. This must have given many incredible hope. Right,

531
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh you would think no, no, not not hard. He's

532
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: still on that. She was drowned kick right. She had

533
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: other issues to address, like the giant twelve hour memorial

534
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: service she was planning for amy the next day twelve hour.

535
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: The congregation had already raised almost forty thousand dollars for

536
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: this memorial. Okay, did everyone get to like pick up

537
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: the hammer and drive one of the coffin nails? Yes, yes,

538
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: you could say extra for that. So over the course

539
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: of three services on June twentieth, nineteen twenty six, more

540
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: than eleven thousand people paid their respects to Amy. Wow,

541
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: Minnie put on her daughter's blue cape, took to the

542
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: pulpit and led the congregation. It's her turn to Shinzeren. Wow,

543
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: this is really reminding me of episode with a TV show,

544
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: The Three mus or The Musketeer. They had almost executing. Yeah,

545
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wondering if they stole this now I'm

546
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: just perhaps so. She urged the gathered worshippers, don't mourn,

547
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: please know, use this as an opportunity to rededicate your

548
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: life to the Lord. Okay, And they're like okay, um.

549
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: And then so it looks now like Amy's mom and

550
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: her daughter are going to take over the temple and

551
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: carry on the mission. Zaren. Yes, close your eyes. Oh

552
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: you snuck out, Mommy. I did I want you to

553
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: picture it? Yes, it's just after midnight on June twenty third,

554
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six. You are a coyote living in the

555
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Sonoran Desert in Mexico, just south of Douglas, Arizona, like

556
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: with four legs, right, Yeah, you're not like a human traffickers.

557
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering, don't an actual coyote? I don't judge

558
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're less of a mangy scavenger and

559
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: more of like the coyote trickster of legend. Oh nice, yeah,

560
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: So you watch over the foolish and loving people of

561
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: the desert. You bay at the moon under an endless

562
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: blanket of stars. The night is warm. Yes, you feel

563
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: a gust of wind and you lift your head to

564
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: smell the breeze. It's a good one where you are,

565
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: because you're hanging out outside of a slaughterhouse on the

566
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: outskirts of Agua Prieta, Mexico. I mean you're a scavengers

567
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: eron I'm down. I came for the water. So. Agua

568
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: Prieta is a rather young town. It grew up as

569
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: a rail stop and it's populated primarily by employees of

570
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: Phelps Dodge Mining Corporation. You look over the arid scrub

571
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: and you spot something. It's a figure. It's a woman.

572
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: She stumbles toward a slaughter house and she slaps her

573
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: hand on the door. She's wiped out. She yells in

574
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: and asks to use the phone. A man hollers back

575
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: that they don't have a phone. The day's woman looks

576
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: about and heads towards the light of the town. You

577
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: don't like how this looks so you tailor. Of course,

578
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: she wabbles along, heading towards the modest homes in the distance.

579
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: You stay at her five o'clock, paralleling her path and

580
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: watching over her. She reaches the front lawn of a home,

581
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: and she stands still, swaying back and forth in pure exhaustion.

582
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: You let out a loud coyote bark, unmistakable and sharp.

583
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: You see a light go on in the house. They're

584
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: doing exactly what she wanted him to do. Ramone Gonzalez

585
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: pulls back the front curtain to get a look at

586
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: the coyote, only to see the woman standing there. He

587
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: opens the door while calling to his wife, Teresa. The

588
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: woman asked to use the phone and then collapses. Ramone

589
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: and Teresa lift the woman and carry her into the house. There,

590
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: Teresa wipes down her face until the woman comes to

591
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: She asks for water, and Teresa hands are a glass

592
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: she already had at the ready. Ramone and Teresa got

593
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: the woman on her feet and walked her down the

594
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: street to the mayor's house. Neither Ramon nor Theresa nor

595
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: the mayor spoke English. They aren't really sure what this

596
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: woman wants. The mayor calls around he finds an American

597
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: taxi driver who could both translate and get the woman

598
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: across the border to Arizona. Make it their problem. So,

599
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: hearing this conversation, you step out of the bushes, Zarin

600
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: under the window of the mayor's house, and you lope

601
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: off into the emerging dawn, getting a little hungry. Maybe

602
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: they are scraps outside the slaughterhouse by now are nice

603
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: neighborhood cats in Douglas, Arizona. Amy McPherson gets wheeled into

604
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the hospital. She wasn't drowned, after all, she's wearing dusty slippers.

605
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: She had rope marks on her wrist, and the nurse

606
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: had to pull cactus spines from her ankles, but otherwise

607
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: she's in good shape. Me. Yeah, she's not dehydrated, she

608
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have cracked lips, no sunburn. She tells the cops

609
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: that she heard her kidnappers planning the abductions of other

610
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: famous people like Mary Pickford, famous actress, and the producer.

611
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: The next day, Minnie, accompanied by Amy's two kids, arrive

612
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: in Douglas. Do you know who else showed up in Douglas? Kenneth, No,

613
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: hundreds of reporters, So this is major major news the

614
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: LA Times and the San Francisco Examiner, each sent planes

615
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: hoping to be the ones to ferry her back to

616
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: LA so they get like exclusive photos. On June twenty six,

617
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: Amy arrived in Los Angeles by train. Here's what the

618
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: LA Times said, quote Amy Semple McPherson came home today.

619
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: She came back in triumph to receive as remarkable innovation

620
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: from her followers as Los Angeles has ever witnessed. She

621
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: returned in a special pullman from Douglas, Arizona, just thirty

622
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: nine days, almost to the hour, from the time she

623
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: vanished at Venice, where she had gone swimming and then

624
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: stumbled into Agua Prietta, a Mexican village across the border

625
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: from Douglas, to tell a dramatic story of abduction, imprisonment, escape,

626
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: and flight through the desert waste to safety. Wow. So

627
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: after forty days, basically thirty nine, Elizabeth she missed. Did

628
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: they needed a calendar? They're gonna hit the Jesus dates.

629
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: They got to be specific close enough for government work, right, No,

630
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: that's the margin of air. Specific about the numbers, almost

631
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: forty days through the deserted I caught you, Yeah, yeah,

632
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: I got my blue cape ony. So she's well, she's

633
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: not saying she's Jesus almost. Wait, I'm just saying many

634
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: ain't got much to work with here. Yeah, that is true.

635
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: So fifty thousand people met her at the train stated, yeah,

636
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: She's placed on a flower laden wicker chair and then

637
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: carried by fireman to a waiting car that was covered

638
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: in flowers. Firemen were handing her like honorary badges, like

639
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: you're now the honorary fire chief. Dude. If if Hoover

640
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: or Coolidge ware in twenty six, Hoover got it. Yeah, anyway,

641
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: so if they got there and rolled into town in LA,

642
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: they wouldn't put they wouldn't get thousand, five fifty thousand.

643
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: The cars covered in flowers. The crowds are two blocks deep.

644
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: As she goes, the procession to the temple turns into

645
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: this full blown parade. A plane flew overhead and dropped

646
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: flowers on the whole affair. Oh my god, can you

647
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: imagine standing there in the middle of this. So what

648
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: did she say happened? Well, when we get back from

649
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: this play, let's find out Amy's side of the story.

650
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: All right, he's Aaron, What did you do her during

651
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: the commercial, PA, I was just over for the waters.

652
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: I went out and they solved a Rubik's Cube competition

653
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: down the street at a teen center. Hold all the

654
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: stickers off and rearrange something FANTASTICO anyway, Amy McPherson. Yes, so,

655
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: sister Amy, she didn't drown off of Venice, California. A.

656
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: She returned triumphant from Arizona. It was read it with

657
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: an amazingly over the top parade flowers falling from the

658
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: skies and parade parade. That's parade, thank you? Oh so

659
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: she Later she goes to with the police to where

660
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: she'd been grabbed. She tells him that while Emma went

661
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: to get that fateful orange juice, a man and a

662
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: woman approached her and told them that their baby was dying.

663
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: They're like, my baby's dying. Okay, it's in the car.

664
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: Can you come pray over our baby. I'm sure she

665
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: gets that often. Yeah. So she like throws her robe on,

666
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: goes follows him to the car. She gets overpowered. There's

667
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: a guy already sitting in the car, like three or

668
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: four guys, one guy, three to four vague numbers. A

669
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: guy is sitting in the front seat in the driver's seat.

670
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: They like opened the back door and she's like, where's

671
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: the baby, and they you know, yeah, put a towel

672
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: over and floriformer. Okay. Um. So when she came to,

673
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: she was barfing all over herself. I like that. And

674
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: then yeah, you did really take a moment there for yourself. Okay,

675
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: wake up, and she says, barfing and she's in a

676
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: strange room. The kid appers were there and they were

677
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: named Steve Roseen Jake. Steve Roseen Jake. Yeah, okay. She

678
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: said that The kidnappers said they wanted money, and they

679
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: asked her questions to establish her identity to Mini. She

680
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: eventually stopped providing answers. She said she didn't want to

681
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: help raise the money, and then Steve put his lit

682
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: cigar on her fingers and rose cut off a lock

683
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: of her hair. Not nice people, No, Steve's like, you

684
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to go a step further. I'm

685
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: going to cut off a finger. But he didn't and

686
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: she wasn't harmed, so it is an empty threat. Do

687
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: you think he had up onto those cigar cutters. He's like,

688
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put your finger in He pop it right

689
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: off a little finger guillotine. A couple of weeks go by,

690
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: She's blindfolded and put in a car. They drive for

691
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: a night in a day, and then she arrives at

692
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: a different shack. They threatened that if they didn't get

693
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: the money soon that they would sell her to an

694
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: old Mexican man named Felipe, like was he in the market.

695
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: He'd even talking to them. If you get a redhead,

696
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: you let me know. Doesn't that sound like a threat?

697
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell would ad lib, and I will sell you

698
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: to an old Mexican man named Yeah, Steve and Jake

699
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: take off and where two who knows, who knows, who cares?

700
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: And then a few after a few days, Rose is like,

701
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into town to get supplies. I'm

702
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: tired of sitting here with you, tired of your Bible preachings.

703
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: So around eleven am rose Um leaves. Amy makes her move.

704
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: She's on a bed with her hands and feet bound.

705
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: Um she used the edge of an empty five gallon

706
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: syrup tin. Wait what you know? I mean? We all look,

707
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking over there in the studio. We got an

708
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: empty five gallon syrup tin. I have one in my

709
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: house in my room. Who keeps the empty that's from

710
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: my only question. You have any in your house? Oh,

711
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean I I recycle them. I mean it's right,

712
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: but you know when you just we've just dusted off

713
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: a five gallons, yeah, and like what are okay anyway? Whatever,

714
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: But it's all sharp right where she opened it up.

715
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: So she uses the edge of it to cut through

716
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: the rags. Then she leaves through a window, and she

717
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: said she never thought to try the door. I like it,

718
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, closes the door and opens a windows and

719
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: off she went. She is, so she heads into the desert.

720
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: She said. She walked for twenty miles in the heat,

721
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: and then she found the slaughterhouse, and then the Gonzales house,

722
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: and then you the coyote. So right away people are skeptical.

723
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: They find all these holes in her story. She wasn't

724
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: sweaty when she got to the hospital. She wasn't dehydrated.

725
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: She had grass stains on the instep of her shoes.

726
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: There no grass around. There's no grass in Agua Priator.

727
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: She was wearing a watch that her mom had given her,

728
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: but she didn't take that watch with her to the beach.

729
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh there's a problem, So she told reporters that she

730
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: wasn't sunburned because she pulled her outer dress over her

731
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: head like a bonnet quote like they used to do

732
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: in Canada. So the Canadians are all walking around with

733
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: their chants out, no, I don't have outer dress. So

734
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: she's wearing multiple dresses. Sure, sure, whatever I mean even

735
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 1: but just a slip. And then she's got her dress

736
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: over the Canadian and no one saw this, and no

737
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: one was like this lady needs help. Um, so they

738
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: everyone's looking for the shack. The love shack turns up short. Um, okay, well,

739
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: no her shack. I just wanted to say love shock.

740
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: So Amy goes with him. She's like, oh, let's try

741
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: over there. No. Um. She tells the reporters that, like

742
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: or she can't find the path of where she was. No,

743
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: it was right here. It was a desert. I get lost. Yeah,

744
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: And then the reporters are like, you know, you didn't

745
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: seem really thirsty when you made it into Agua Prieta

746
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: and there you know, she told reporters, I'm not going

747
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: to drink water during the search for the hut to

748
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: prove you to you that I don't need it, And

749
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: then she lasted ten minutes. Well, no, then they see

750
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: her like walk over to her car and take a

751
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: bunch of chugs of ice water and a thermus like

752
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: secret slippers. Um. She said that the shack had a

753
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: wooden floor, but when it wasn't found, she's like, actually

754
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was would, but maybe it was really

755
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: just dirt, like packed to look like would hard packed dirt,

756
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: you know how that maybe maybe it wasn't a house.

757
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it was like a tent. Yeah. I was really dehydrated,

758
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: so but I didn't need any water. No, I'm just

759
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: a little you know, Thursday, I'm going to take a

760
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: little sip secretly. Yeah, that's actually gin So. An employee

761
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: at the Clark Hotel in La reported that on May eighteenth,

762
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: that's the day of the kidnapping, he'd briefly seen Amy

763
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: in the hotel that morning, checking out after fifteen minutes

764
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: and wearing a yellow dress. Another patron at the hotel

765
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: said he saw her talking to a well dressed man

766
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: in the parlor. So there were two sightings at this hotel,

767
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: Sam Hotel. May nineteenth, a man calling himself George McIntyre

768
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: and a woman arrived at a rented cottage in Carmel

769
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: around four in the morning. Why did Kenneth call himself?

770
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: McIntyre tells the cottage his owner that his wife was

771
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: recovering from an illness and needed a very secluded and

772
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: quiet place to rest. Ah, yes, of course, and he's like,

773
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: we're going to be here for three months. Yeah, don't

774
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: wake the baby. She's recovering because she's napping. And my wife,

775
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: she doesn't get don't look at her. It was like

776
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: apparently a known secret around Carmel that Kenneth Ormiston and

777
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Amy were there. After her disappear, a couple of neighbors

778
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: identified Kenneth I'm telling yet, and the cottage owner said

779
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: he saw a green bathing suit hanging up to dry

780
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: the morning after the couple arrives. When you bet on sex,

781
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: you always went so. I mean. Also, they said that

782
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: this McIntyre had a limp. Oh there's the check coffee

783
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: and limp. So Kenneth. He later admits, I am McIntyre,

784
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, but it was a different lady that I

785
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: took to Carmel. It wasn't Amy. I got another broad

786
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: with me, you know, I just got it like that. Yeah,

787
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: And Amy's like, I wasn't there I was in the

788
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: desert in this shack. May twenty fifth, the same day

789
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: that Minnie Kennedy received the first ransom letter sent from

790
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Kenneth was also in San Francisco. He was

791
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: changing his car's license plate from Washington to California, so

792
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: apparently he'd had been in Washington when he was gone

793
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: and Misson's curious Curious. May twenty sixth, a blue Cadillac

794
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: registered to Kenneth was left at a garage and selenas

795
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: to be washed and then in the middle of the

796
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: state basically well, and Kenneth had purchased the car a

797
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: few months earlier after he'd been wired fifteen hundred dollars

798
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: from someone named James Wallace in Venice. All right, so

799
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: all this is like Kinky Emma Wallace exactly in the

800
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: intro between buying the car and when he shows up

801
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: in Carmel, he was staying at various hotels in California

802
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: under a couple different names. Amy was allegedly seen at

803
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: some of these hotels at the same time. District Attorney

804
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: Asa kais it looks like keys k e yes, but

805
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: apparently is pronounced kais. Did you say so, Hey? That's

806
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: what I was told. He announced that he wanted to

807
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: speak with Kenneth. May twenty seventh, Kenneth took the train

808
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: from San Francisco to talk to Kais and the press,

809
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: and he denied all in involvement. He took a return

810
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: train back north that night, and he checked in under

811
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: the name ka Gladstone at a hotel in Oakland. May

812
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, a telegram was sent from Oakland to the

813
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: unidentified mystery woman in Carmel, Missus McIntyre, saying, simply, Lise

814
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: expires to night, so coming together. So that same evening,

815
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Kenneth picked up his car from Selinas at the garage

816
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: around one in the morning. He returned to the next day,

817
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: he returned to the garage to fill up on gas.

818
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: This time there was a woman in the passenger seat

819
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: and she was wearing large sunglasses and it says or goggles.

820
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: He's just wearing big old goggles and they're like whoa okay,

821
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: like safety in a lab. So six am May twenty ninth,

822
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Kenneth and a woman registered at a hotel in San

823
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: Louis Obispo under the names mister and Missus. Frank Gibson

824
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: now if they were going to try to run basically

825
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: fake a kidnapping, runaway, hold a ransom to get some

826
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: money to start a new life, why didn't they buy

827
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: a boat and hang out on the boat. They decided

828
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: to tell all the like California tourist hotspots down the

829
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: coast where nobody has anything else to do. But who's

830
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: this new person in town? Who's this lady with the

831
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: goggles and the guy with the limb? Exactly? Yeah, make

832
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: yourselves inconspicuous. So they check out from this place in

833
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: San Luisa's boat around five o'clock in the evening. By

834
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: this time, the reporters were already trying to find Kenneth themselves.

835
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: They're like one step ahead of the cops. A reporter

836
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: from the Santa Barbara Morning Press was sent to try

837
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: and stop them when they passed on I guess one

838
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: oh one around eleven pm. He spots them just north

839
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: of Santa Barbara. He followed the car for a few

840
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: miles and then flagged it down. The reporter later said

841
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: he believed it was Kenneth, like it was his car

842
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: and the plates m Kenneth said no, no, I'm just

843
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: a hardware man from Sacramento. Okay, but there and the

844
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: woman wore a hat and dark glasses and didn't say anything,

845
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: and he couldn't identify who she was, Like she was

846
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: all Carmen San Diego with the hat over her eyes.

847
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm just a hardware man from Sacramento. And then his

848
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: guns and my wife, who's gotten very protective eyes. So

849
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: she's like one of those people who's allergic to sunlight. Yes, exactly.

850
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: In early July of nineteen twenty six, a grand jury

851
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: was called to determine if there was enough evidence to

852
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: charge Amy's alleged kidnappers, Steve Rose, Jake m And Amy

853
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: and her mother both testified. On July twentieth, the grand

854
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: jury declined to indict these supposed kidnappers because they didn't

855
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: have enough evidence. On August third, the grand jury reconvened

856
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: to decide if Amy and her mother had committed perjury

857
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: or obstruction of justice during their original grand jury testimony.

858
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: So this is the same grand jury, Yeah, lying, let's

859
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: focus on the other table exactly. Okay. So that same day,

860
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: a piece of evidence, a scrap of paper from the

861
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Carmel cottage with a grocery list on it, as supposed

862
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: to identify Amy's handwriting right. It disappeared after a juror

863
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: named Missus Holmes, one of two women on this seventeen

864
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: person grand jury, took it. A godly woman. She well,

865
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: this is what Epstein wrote in his book Quote. During

866
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: a recess, one of the jurors took Exhibit A, the

867
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: incriminating grocery receipt, in order to examine it in the

868
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: light of the women's lavatory. Somehow the exhibit got flushed

869
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: down the toilet, and with it the strongest support of

870
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Kai's indictment was lost. Somewhere in the bowels of the

871
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Los Angeles sewer system is actually in this stall. This

872
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: stall has the best light. So a new grand jury

873
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: trial started in September, lasted more than five weeks. The

874
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: court transcript was thirty six hundred pages long. This was

875
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: heavy duty. Kai's star witness was a woman named Lorraine Wiseman.

876
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: She was a less than perfect witness. She'd suffered traumatic

877
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: brain injury in a train wreck, which made her a

878
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: pathological liar. Oh wow, she was turned into a liar

879
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: after the say like you know they say when I

880
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: was a bump on the head can make a man strange.

881
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: For the rest of his days. We've covered the ambient

882
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: foreign accent syndrome. And then like she'd be a great witness. Yeah,

883
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: so Wiseman, she originally introduced herself to Amy's lawyer, and

884
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: she said that she was the woman in Carmel with

885
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: Kenneth and she's the one who received the telegram and

886
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: she's the one who wrote out the grocery list, and

887
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: reporters like, can we see your handwriting? She goes, um, well,

888
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I write in three different styles, and

889
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember which one I used for the grocery slip.

890
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: I'd either talk about when I assassinated Lincoln because I

891
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: was an actor at the time. And yeah, she's got

892
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: a little bit of the old George Santos. Yeah. So

893
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: a few weeks later, Wiseman then tells the La Times

894
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: that that story was a lie. So she's like, actually,

895
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: I was in LA when I was supposed to have

896
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: been in Carmel, but I have a twin sister who's

897
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: wanted on bad check charges. And she's like, both me

898
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: and my sister lost our left thumbs in different accidents things.

899
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: That's the one thing she told the truth on. She

900
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: had a twin sister. They both lost their left thumbs

901
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: in different accidents. That's crazy, isn't that? While I love that,

902
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: I love that for her randomness. Yes, exactly, it all

903
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: so Lorraine Wiseman herself, not the sister. She's then arrested

904
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: on September tenth, nineteen twenty six, on bad check charges.

905
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: She was the one who was actually writing the check,

906
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: not her twin sister. When the cops searched her purse,

907
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: they found quote a packet of photographs of herself and

908
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: the evangelist in identical pose and dress, side by side,

909
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: their hair combed exactly alike. On the parcel was written

910
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: Angela's temple will call. There was also a red notebook,

911
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: on several pages of which were written butter pears, rhubarb,

912
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: meat and other words appearing on the carmel grocery slips.

913
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: So it looks like she has this prep kit. This

914
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: is how you? Yeah, So why you with the real

915
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: amy in that photograph? Like standing there? And I looked

916
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: at it in a bunch of different places, and I

917
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: couldn't tell if they were just two different photographs and

918
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: she was mimicking it or but yeah, interesting, Wiseman, she

919
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: gets bailed out by the LA Examiner, and then she

920
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: confesses to that paper that what she said was the

921
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: actual truth, that she had worked with Temple leaders to

922
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: cover for Amy. And then she said Amy and her

923
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: mother had approached her via a mysterious man named Martin

924
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: who knows if that's true, to ask her to lie

925
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: for them. She's like, I'm really good at that. Yes, Amy.

926
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: She gets confronted about it, and she said that Wiseman,

927
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: a person previously unknown to her, had come to the

928
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: temple to apologize for lying about being at Carmel, and

929
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: then Amy and her mom tried to help her out

930
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: of concern for her well being. During the trial, Amy

931
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: continued to preach both at her church and on the radio.

932
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: She also started her fight the Devil Fund to pay

933
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: her legal bills. The defense finally rested on October twenty eighth.

934
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: Outside the courtroom that day, there was news that a

935
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: trunk that Kenneth owned had been seized in New York

936
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: and was on its way to LA. It was supposedly

937
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: full of Amy's clothes, and then Kai's also announced that

938
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: he had a cryptic letter that would had been recently

939
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: decoded to reveal a sappy love letter allegedly from Amy

940
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: to Kenneth. So she's writing cryptogram love letters. Oh these

941
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: crazy kids. On November first, the trunk arrived full of clothes,

942
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: including a silk dress that records show had been purchased

943
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: by the Angelus Temple stenographer and build to Emma Schaffer

944
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: Amy's secret. It also had a dry cleaner's tag attached

945
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: to it from a place near the temple, and Amy

946
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm being framed. Someone sent

947
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: me up. November third, nineteen twenty six, Amy and her

948
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: mom they get charged with three counts of criminal conspiracy

949
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: to commit acts injurious to public morals and to prevent

950
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: an obstruct justice. The maximum prison sentence was forty two

951
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: years wow Wiseman and Kenneth they're also charged. The trial

952
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: was scheduled for early nineteen twenty seven. On in December

953
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty six, the San Francisco Examiner, owned by

954
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: William Randolph Hurst, who was rumored to be sympathetic to

955
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: Amy and wanted to help her, reported erroneously that Kais

956
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: had decided to drop the case, and then Kais denies it,

957
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: but in the meantime, Wiseman had once again changed her story,

958
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: saying that she had not in fact theen hired by

959
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: Amy to lie on her behalf. So there goes another witness.

960
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: January tenth, nineteen twenty seven, Kais asked the court to

961
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: dismiss all the charges against everyone, and the court granted

962
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: the request, so the following day, Amy left La for

963
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: her US quote unquote vindication tour. Her current official biography

964
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: on the four square dot org church site states that

965
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: the kidnapping was fact. Goes through all that like lists

966
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: that you know. She was kidnapped for ransom, held in

967
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: the shack in Mexico. In her autobiography, Amy wrote, to

968
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: my dying day, I must proclaim my story of the

969
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: kidnapping and escape is true. It really did happen just

970
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: as I told it, so she sticks to it. Not

971
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: long after the kidnapping, Amy had a falling out with

972
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: her mother and her mom left the church and Amy

973
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: struggled for a bit but kept working to keep the

974
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: Juggernaut church going. But her mom didn't flip on her. No,

975
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: she'd always been shown in a positive light by the media,

976
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: but they started to focus on her troubles at home,

977
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: especially the split with her mom. Yeah, and then even

978
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: with all the turmoil, though ten percent of the population

979
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles still held Temple membership. At the time,

980
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: movie studios were approaching her. She appeared in newsreels with

981
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: Mary Pickford, Franklin, Delano, Roosevelt. She made herself over, she

982
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: lost weight, she started wearing makeup, she dyed her hair.

983
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: This didn't go over well with the congregants. In nineteen

984
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: twenty seven, she took her show on the road, so

985
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: she went so far as to preach at nightclubs, including

986
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: a Texas speakeasy. Newspapers reported on these visits, and then

987
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: false rumors were spreading that she was drinking, smoking, dancing.

988
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: But her efforts to integrate warship ramped up through the years.

989
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: She welcomed black people into the congregation in the pulpit

990
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: Mum and then during the race riots of Detroit in

991
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, she publicly converted the black former heavyweight

992
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: champion Jack Johnson on the temple stage and embraced him.

993
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: And that was a huge deal Jack Johnson. So she

994
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: passed away on September twenty sixth, nineteen forty four, at

995
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: a hotel right here in Oakland, California, she'd been struggling

996
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: with insomnia and other health issues, and she accidentally took

997
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: too many sleeping pills and Barbies didn't wake up. Now

998
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: what happened with with Kenneth? Did he apart? When they

999
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: all got out on the grand jury went off and

1000
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: he's like, well there's too much heat from I can't

1001
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: take it and sunset? Yeah, exactly. Maybe he went to Australia.

1002
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: Forty five thousand people went to her funeral and her

1003
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: body lay in state for three days at the temple.

1004
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: It took eleven trucks to transport the fifty thousand dollars

1005
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: worth of flowers to the cemetery that had been sent

1006
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: and despite her estrangement, her mom attended the funeral. So

1007
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: there were like scammy, carnival, sideshow, corrupt aspects to Amy

1008
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: and her church, but they're also really good things that

1009
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: they did. Her church goes strong to this day. The

1010
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: four Square Denomination has membership of almost eight million people worldwide. Really, yeah, Zaren,

1011
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous takeaway? Oh? Wow, I mean, this is

1012
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: a great story. I really enjoyed it, and I'm being

1013
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: you know, having lived in La for a long time,

1014
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: you definitely hear about her. I've seen photos of her.

1015
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: When you started talking describing I remember that, but in

1016
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: less grand eloquent terms, I would say my ridiculous takeaway

1017
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: is much like Wiseman you. Everybody is very lucky that

1018
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a twin, because if I had a twin,

1019
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: I would be pulling all kinds of the Shenanigan. You know,

1020
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: my twins a pathological liar, which one am? I guys

1021
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: If I was the twin, I'd be lying right now,

1022
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: it's right, who exactly? That's it for today. You can

1023
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: find us online at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter and Instagram.

1024
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: Email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Tune

1025
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: in next time ye. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth

1026
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,400
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1027
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: Right Reverend Dave Kuston. Research is by Los Angeles County

1028
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,320
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1029
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1030
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,160
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1031
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,880
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1032
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,440
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1033
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,480
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1034
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: card app. You can yes email us at Ridiculous Crime

1035
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. You can also just shout into

1036
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: the wind. You can write a fun rap yeah about

1037
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: us and write it on fun Rap talkback. Just a

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: fun rap that would be coming rap. Well, thanks for listening. Hey,

1039
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: everybody close your up and pictures. This a crime podcast

1040
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: full of ridiculousness. On the mic is Darren Byrne that

1041
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: and it's funny? Yes, friend, is Eliza best done? They

1042
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: get chill up and so hard you'll be in pain.

1043
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Then you'll split your pants. When Elizabeth starts talking about training,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear impressions, inside jokes, you'll hear some accents. Ninety

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