1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, September sixteenth, and people 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: have been getting scolded, called out, suspended, fired, and now 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: they are getting arrested and expelled from school for being 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: critical of Charlie Kirk and in some cases mocking his death. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: TJ Robes. Things are continue to ramp up. It doesn't 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: feel like we have gotten to a moment we are 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: calming down yet no in it. 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: We feel more divided than ever this assassination. Charlie Kirk 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: died mid last week and we're almost a week out 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: from his death and we are still hearing about people 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: being disciplined, people being arrested, as you pointed out, for 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: mocking the mourning of Charlie Kirk. And look, his funeral, 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: his very public funeral is set to happen this weekend. 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that this is also happening leading up 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: to it, and what may even happen on that very day. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: Well, we need to be clear. People are being people 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: are being disciplined and they deserve it because they're being dicks. 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: There's some people being like it just assholes. Believably, you 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: don't even believe another human being could behave in this manner, 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: and I would argue ropes. This is what we're seeing 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: with this now viral video. In this case out of 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Texas Lubbock in particular, a college student arrested and not 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: in school anymore, eighteen year old freshmen because of what 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: we all see on video roll. This is the ugliest 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: incident I've seen. I've seen some people write about what 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: they feel about them and things Charlie Kirk has said 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: and express that they're not upset that he's dead. That's 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: all awful as well. This one takes all cakes I've seen. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: Yes, because it's been hard to witness, even people putting 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: it in writing and putting it out with their names attached, 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: and seeing them disciplined, fired, et cetera. But this young 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: lady goes specific to the people who were mourning, who 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: were holding a vigil for Charlie Kirk on campus, other 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: students and mocks them and almost does the Nana Nana 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: boo boo and laughs at them for mourning a man 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: who was murdered in front of the world. 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't have a defense for her. It's fine if 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: you aren't mourning, but to do this to people who 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: are hurt and who are offended. That was a particular 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: meanness to what she was doing, and that was a 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: particular immaturity. I will add that, but the word she 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: was saying, and we're trying to describe as best we 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: can I maany of you will probably seen the viral video, 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: but there have been some developments today at least with 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: incidents around the country and some comments from Pam Bondi 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: that we're going to get into that are really getting 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: people's attention with robes. In this particular case, this is 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: a visual outside the student union at Texas Tech University 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: and a young lady starts literally robes dancing and almost 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: singing a tune while they are at a visual mourning 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: the death of a man. That is just stop there. 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: If you already are angry, and understandably so, about the 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: assassination of Charlie Kirk, I get that you are passionate. 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: You were a lot of young people especially loved him 56 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: and couldn't wait to see him and hear him, and 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: they followed him and they agreed with him. So yes, 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: they are angry. Then to have someone come up when 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: you are trying to pay tribute to him, and start dancing. 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: And this is what she said, and you can hear 61 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: it on the video, so this isn't up for interpretation. 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: She said, y'all, homie dead. He got shot in the head. 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: Can you imagine just think about someone who you love 64 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: or like or admire and you are honoring their death 65 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: and someone comes and says that to you, right when 66 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: you're already feeling emotion. I have to give credit to 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: the other students who were being mocked. They did not 68 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: retaliate with anything that brought brought it up further. They 69 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: actually brought it down. 70 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: I believe this could have been ugly. I mean, what 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: if you had the wrong kid in the wrong moment, 72 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: who's having the wrong day, in the wrong mood, decided 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: to retaliate against this girl, that it could have gotten 74 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: really really ugly. And to your point, what the And 75 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: they had cameras on and kids are conscious of this stuff. 76 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: Now we know everybody's watching. It didn't seem to stop 77 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: this one young lady from saying what she was saying. 78 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: But the kids who were there honoring Charlie Kirk calmly said, 79 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: this is what evil looks like. He's just showing her 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: doing her thing. Another kid at some point saying why 81 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: are you being aggressive? They were at why are you 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: doing this? I didn't hear at least rogues. Did you 83 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: hear them raise their voices at any point? 84 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: And she denied being aggressive, But you go back and 85 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: look at the video and it was sorry, but that's 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: just exactly what it was. 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: That's not something else up for interpretation. And when they 88 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: asked why she was being so aggressive, Look, they were 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: not approaching her. They were doing their thing, and she 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: was absolutely soliciting for she wanted some kind of response 91 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: or reaction from them. She didn't get it and give 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: them credit for whatever reason. But yeah, she's why are 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: you calling me aggressive? Because I'm a black woman, and 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: yes it is an eighteen year old black woman appears 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: to be a black woman. Well, she said to herself 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: when I think she's aid it, and not long after, 97 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: and so this is how police got involved, and she 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: has been arrested and she has been charged. She actually 99 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: spent the night in jail over the weekend and I 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: had to get out on two hundred dollars bond. Texas 101 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: Tech will read their statement, but apparently she is not 102 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: in school there anymore. Trying to get official word if 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: she was kicked out or if she actually after her 104 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: own I can't imagine that being the case, and the 105 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: Texas Tech statement seems to clearly suggest she was booted 106 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: out of school. Was it non Robes, Yes, and. 107 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: One hundred percent that appears to be the case. Cameron 108 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: Giselle Booker is her name. 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, her name is out there and has been identified 110 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: at this point, but that's when she eighteen year old. 111 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: And when I see eighteen years old, and it did 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: when you see what she's doing to your point, ropes, Nana, 113 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Nana booboo, like it really nan, but you're talking about 114 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: somebody being dead, it's yazarre. It's actually bizarre. 115 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: And someone who had followers who passionately believed in him. 116 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: So that really is inciting and really like it's it's 117 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: poking the bear basically is what she was doing. 118 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: And I want to be clear the arrest. Can you 119 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: be arrested just for the speech? I don't know. She's 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: been arrested for what they said was a misdemeanor simple 121 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: assault because and this video was out there as well. 122 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: They said in the police report, officer watched her, or 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: witness her or hit the guy. In the head. I 124 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: saw the video, looks like she's knocking his hat off 125 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: his head, which she does. I'm not sure how much 126 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: contact she made, but that. 127 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Was But when you physically touch someone or their hat 128 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: on their head, that that could lead to something so 129 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: much more than what happened, Thank goodness, because it's a 130 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: disrespectful It's so disrespectful to hit someone's hat off their head. Ooh. 131 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: If you're already upset and someone is is is verbally 132 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: assaulting you basically, and then they do that to your hat, 133 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: that takes a lot of restraints. 134 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 1: It's like putting a finger in somebody's. 135 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: Honestly, the only thing I can even think of is 136 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: like my brother, he would just get and I would get, 137 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: I would get, I would react. Let's just say that. 138 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not proud of it, but I was 139 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: also a kid, but I understand that feeling like you're 140 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: already upset and then someone just pushes you a little 141 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: too far. 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: But what are we supposed to do now? With the 143 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: back and forth, and we talk about free speech and 144 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: who's allowed to say what in one side says this 145 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: side is more extreme than the other. We can say this, 146 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: but y'all can't say that. So this is where Now 147 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: what can you say? And I'm thinking about her? And 148 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: this was extreme, it was it was mocking in it 149 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: was taunting, and this was mean. There is nothing to 150 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: be said to defend this young lady. 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: And look, here is what Texas Tech said, because we 152 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: do have the school statement, so this will be a good, 153 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: I think moment to bring this into it. Texas Tech 154 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: said this, any behavior that denigrates victims of violence is reprehensible, 155 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: has no place on our campus, and is not aligned 156 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: with our values. Federal law prevents Texas Tech University from 157 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: commenting on individual student conduct matters. We take all reported 158 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: violations seriously and address them under university policy and the law. 159 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: And private businesses and a university, they do have the 160 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: right in most instances to limit what you can say 161 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: if you're a representative of that organization, whether it be 162 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: a university or a business. I mean, it is a 163 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: little gray in terms of what is free speech and 164 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: what is punishable And do you have a right to 165 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: say what you want to say and expect to still 166 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: be employed or expect to still be part of an organization? 167 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Can a private company can do what they want to do. 168 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: Can they not? Yes, private company doesn't. Yes, we worked 169 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: at companies or whole lives. Right If I say in 170 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: my off hours that my boss is an asshole, and 171 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: then I come to work the next day and have 172 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: to see said asshole in the morning meeting, does that 173 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: asshole have the right to fire me? 174 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: So, according to the legal experts, private employers have the 175 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: law on their side when it comes to removing a 176 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: worker who makes public statements that the business views as 177 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: potentially harmful. Period. And that makes sense. 178 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: So here's my question. Now, what crosses the line from 179 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: hate speech to simply I shouldn't say simply hate speech, 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: just deplorable speech, which I would ask Ropes anyone who 181 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: says out loud I'm okay that he's dead. I find 182 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: that absolutely disgusting. 183 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: It's morally reprehensible, disgusting. Is it legally actionable? 184 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: Is that hate speech that crosses a line into promoting violence? 185 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it sounds like the administration, damn 186 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: sure is going to consider it. 187 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: Hates spool, Yes, because Pambondy went on and tweeted this 188 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: specifically referencing what we're discussing. Because this is now a 189 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: larger conversation about what should people in this country be 190 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: able to say and still expect that they won't lose 191 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: their jobs, or they won't lose their positions, or they 192 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: won't be fined, arrested, whatever, punished in some way. So 193 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: Pambondi said, hate speech that crosses the line into threats 194 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: of violence is not protected by the First Amendment. It 195 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: is a crime. For far too long, we've watched the 196 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: radical left normalize threats, call for assassinations, and cheer on 197 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: political violence. That era is. 198 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: Over, doesn't it seem like there's a like there is 199 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: a concerted, a very concentrated, a very much massaged message 200 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: that's coming from all of them. Right now. They're starting 201 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: to call left leaners or ideologist terrorists. They have this 202 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: theme that it's more so on the left and on 203 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: the right. We just heard during the Cash Betel hearings 204 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: one senator going off that's just called it bullshit. 205 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: He was angry that. 206 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: It's a thing on both sides. There is a theme now. 207 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: I always say this, Republicans are excellent at messaging. 208 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's what we heard from jd Vance yesterday when 209 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: he took over. When he took over the podcast for 210 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. He specifically referenced that it is not the 211 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: same that the two sides do not share responsibility equally 212 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: in the type of ideology or language that they say 213 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: is threatening. In fact, Pambondi went on to say, you 214 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: cannot call for someone's murder, You cannot swat a member 215 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: of Congress. You cannot docks a conservative family and think 216 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: it will be brushed off as free speech. These acts 217 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: are punishable crimes, and every single threat will be met 218 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: with the full force of the law. Free speech protects ideas, debate, 219 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: even dissent, but it does not and will never protect violence. 220 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: You cannot dox a conservative family. Can you dox a 221 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: liberal family? 222 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: It is weird that she said that. I do find 223 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: that strange. I get their messaging, but that does seem bizarre. 224 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: But that's the attorney general. If she represents me. 225 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: As well, correct whether it's she represents people who are independent. 226 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: So you cannot dox a family, period. Yes, she's to 227 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: And this is where the messaging in this is getting 228 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: a little alarming. She put this out today, and you 229 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: remember yesterday the Vice President of the United States called 230 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: He called for people to call out anybody who criticizes 231 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: or takes issue with the death of Charlie Kirk, anybody 232 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: who would dare have any glee. Look, nobody should be 233 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: celebrating any but he called. He said, if anybody, he said, 234 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: call them out and call their employer. He essentially sent 235 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: everybody out on a mission to go after anybody who 236 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: says anything that's seeming in their mind seems to not 237 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: mourn Charlie Kirk. Like you can't even be on the fence. 238 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: You just have to shut up, is the message that's 239 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: clearly it seems coming out of there. 240 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: And that's is it a stretch to feel like we're 241 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: in the same. 242 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Zone. 243 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: Is McCarthyism, Like you feel like there's some sort of 244 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: and I don't want to say witch hunt, but it 245 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: kind of is starting to feel like that, where there's 246 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: some sort of if you're not with us, you're against us, 247 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: and we'll find you and we'll single you out and 248 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: you will face you will face serious repercussions if we 249 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: find out who you are, and we'll let the world 250 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: know what you said. It just feels it feels like 251 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: the mark, like the red scare a little bit like 252 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: we're instead of looking for communists, we're looking for radical left, 253 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: but it's not that different. It doesn't feel that different 254 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: right now. 255 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: And folks, would you believe the other theme we are 256 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: getting out of DC is that unity is not possible. 257 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: Right now, stay here, we'll explain what they're talking about, 258 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: all right, folks. Continuing now with what we just saw 259 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: in Texas over the weekend, a student at Texas Tech 260 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: arrested for really a what is the ugliest response to 261 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's death that I have actually seen her dancing, mocking, 262 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: taunting that students were trying to have a vigilant more 263 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: than Charlie Kirk on the campus. She's been arrested for 264 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: a simple a simple assault, but wrote she's been arrested, 265 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: and she is facing charges, and this video is viral 266 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: and she's out of school, it appears, but she is one. 267 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, it's growing every single day, 268 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: and there are so many people. There's so many we 269 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: don't know about. But these are some agencies are keeping 270 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: up with counts. But we're getting in the thirties and forties. 271 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: Plus dozens and dozens. 272 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Documented cases of people losing jobs or being suspended for 273 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: things they've said. 274 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. Some names you know, some names you don't. 275 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: Some are a lot of There have been several local 276 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: reporters basically who've also been disciplined or fired. Gerald Borgah 277 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: from Phoenix Sports he put something on social media. He 278 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: was fired. Matthew Dowd. We reported from MSNBC what is 279 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: this from? Yeah? He so, Gerald, this is just an 280 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: idea of this. He's a sports reporter from a sports 281 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: an online sports newsite focused in Arizona. He wrote, Refusing 282 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: to mourn a life devoted to that cause is not 283 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: the same thing as celebrating gun violence. Truly, don't care 284 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: if you think it's insensitive or poor timing to decline 285 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: to respect an evil man who died. 286 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Why do you have to write it? 287 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: Exactly? 288 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Keep it to yourself? If you have that. I had 289 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: a question for you, though, Robes. It's one thing I 290 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: would say to everybody, why, even if you feel that 291 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: in your heart, why do you have to put that 292 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: out publicly? The second thing is, why do you feel 293 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: that in your heart? If you take issue with things 294 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: you said? Have that? I just don't know how I 295 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: can hear about a death, somebody being murdered and go. 296 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: Cool that sounds about right karma. Right, that's what it 297 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: sounds like. Most people are saying. A Washington Post columnist didn't. 298 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: I hadn't heard about this, Karen Atia. She said in 299 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: a substack post. This was just yesterday. She put this 300 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: out there. She said that she was fired because she 301 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: spoke out. She claims against political violence, racial double standards, 302 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: and America's apathy towards Gunn, noting she only referred to 303 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: Kirk once in a social media post, but once is enough. 304 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently it was. You had several more. A couple 305 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: of universities, Austin p a professor there, one at Cumberland University, 306 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: and then Middle Tennessee State had an assistant dean, all 307 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: of them fired over comments they made about Charlie Kirks. 308 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: And office depot fired an employee because it showed there's 309 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: a viral video showing staff refusing to print posters for 310 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: Kirk vigil. In Nasdaq, they fired an employee over a 311 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: social media post. Carolina Panthers. We told you about this one, 312 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: I believe last week. Yeah, his name was Charlie Rock. 313 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: He made a social media post that got him fired. 314 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know about this. United Airlines says they took 315 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: action on employees who publicly commented on Kirk's death. And 316 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: then we heard from the United States Secretary of the 317 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. He was getting in on this 318 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: because United American Airlines and Delta all suspended people, and 319 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: in particular, there was a pilot from American Airlines. Listen 320 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: to this since deleted post. This is this is this 321 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: is a scary one. I mean I have chills. Well, hey, Charlie, 322 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: sorry you got shot in your fat fing forehead. It 323 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: was just the cost of our liberty, thoughts and prayers 324 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: that a pilot flying for American Airlines. So they've suspended 325 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: all of these employees, and Duffy is calling for them 326 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: to be fired because he just said, for doing what's 327 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: right by placing pilots celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk, 328 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: we need to put them out of service. They must 329 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 2: be fired. So he's gotten involved just because it's the 330 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: airline industry. But I was surprised that all of the 331 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: three major airlines had employees who have been disciplined or 332 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: suspended and potentially fired. And Idaho's school teacher was fired 333 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: because she made a video celebrating Kirk's death. This is 334 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: a high school teacher who's doing this, and a US 335 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: Secret Service agent placed on suspension because he expressed negative 336 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: opinions about Kirk. 337 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: So that's wild, Like as human beings for the debate, 338 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: are we so caught up in debate and politics and 339 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: policy and this crap on social media and back and forth, 340 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: and how much we go that someone died and we 341 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: are so desensitized and our feelings about political issues come 342 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: before just humanity and decency of the death of a 343 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: human being. 344 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: Babe, he didn't just die. He got executed in front 345 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: of the world, not just the three thousand students and 346 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: people who had gathered all shooting their cell phones, but 347 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: by all of us around the world who inadvertently watched 348 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: some of those cell phone videos because we didn't realize 349 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: that we were actually going to see what we saw. 350 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: So it was the most one of the most disturbing deaths, 351 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: and I would say the most disturbing death for a 352 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 2: lot of people that any of us have ever witnessed. 353 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: And so that's what I think makes it even more despicable. 354 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it would be better if he had 355 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 2: died of natural causes or something privately or in some 356 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: sort of accident, but the way he was killed and 357 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: the way he was murdered and how he was murdered, 358 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: if you can can't feel something, some empathy, some I 359 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: guess it would be sympathy, some sort of human feeling 360 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: for another human being taken out like that. That's what 361 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: scares me that there is so much apparently hatred that's 362 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: in so many people that the second they get the 363 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: opportunity to celebrate some sort of victory they have that 364 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: meant a death of someone. I don't know. I just 365 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: it makes me feel sick that so many people feel 366 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: this way. 367 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm thinking, I'm sitting here thinking 368 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: that somebody's listening to you or will listen and go yeah, 369 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: but he said da da da da da, Like you're 370 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: actually justifying to yourself why you feel that way. And 371 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: I'm not calling anybody a bad person who is not 372 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: in tears mourning, oh, of course, not death, but to 373 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: celebrate his death to actually, even if you haven't put 374 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: out a post, ask your scalps yourself, what was your 375 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: reaction to his death? It's just anything bordering on joy, 376 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: bordering on being pleased, even bordering on being Okay, we 377 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: can't do that. 378 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: I want to believe, babe, that these are the extreme. 379 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: This is the extreme, And some people might laugh at me, 380 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: but I obviously we have friends on all sides of 381 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: the political as the spectrum, I should say, because it's 382 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: not just an isle, it's a spectrum. 383 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: Very close friends, and we argue with all of them 384 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: over all kinds of stuff. 385 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: I don't know anyone personally. I mean, at least no 386 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: one's expressed this to me that have said anything other 387 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: than this is a horrible, disgusting tragedy. And I am 388 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: friends with the very the left the most. It not extreme, 389 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: but just do are very solidly in the liberal camp 390 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 2: and all the way to the opposite, very solidly in 391 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: the conservative camp. And I have to say, of all 392 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: the people I've talked to, no one, no one, no 393 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: one has expressed what we're seeing. So I want to 394 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: chew to believe that these might be the exceptions. These 395 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: are the ones who and like, it's one thing, like 396 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: you said, to think it and to maybe even feel 397 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: it privately, but to then put it to words, to 398 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: then put it out in the world, to then express 399 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: and feel good about expressing it, feeling some sort of 400 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: cathartic release in that joy or celebration that or even 401 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: the nana nana boo boo of it. See you got 402 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: what you got what was coming, and that I want 403 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: to believe that's a minority, not a majority. But this 404 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: is all scary because then the reaction to all of 405 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: that is equally frightening. 406 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: Because we keep hearing words about fighting fire with fire 407 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: and you gotta go punch them before they I've heard 408 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: heard so much of this rhetoric, but this was exhausting. 409 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: That video was disgusting. And we still have several days 410 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: before his memorial, and good God, I hope we get better. 411 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: It's felt like he's gotten worse robes, but we wanted 412 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: to hop on and up day two. We're keeping an 413 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: eye on so many things today, robes and the shooters 414 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: actually in court, his first court appearance. After that happens, 415 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: we'll likely hop back on and give you old An updates. 416 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: So as always, you can see the button there on 417 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the top right corner of the screen says follow on 418 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: your Apple podcast out there on our show page and 419 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: you can always get our updates coming right to and 420 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: you don't have to go looking for them. But for 421 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: right now, folks, take care of yourself, take care of 422 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: some be kind to somebody you disagree with today. Yeah, 423 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: reach out to like body that pissed you off recently. 424 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: Just give it a shot at reconciliation, ropes, because this 425 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: is tough and we are going the wrong direction. 426 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: We certainly are well. We hope, we hope we can 427 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: all learn from this and see what's happening and just 428 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: do better. So thank you for listening to us. I'm 429 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: Amy Roboch alongside t. J. Holmes. We will talk to 430 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: you very soon.