Speaker 1: Are you scared of dying?
Speaker 2: No? Yet, that doesn't stop us from speaking with unbridled
Speaker 2: confidence on what will be and to me, it really
Speaker 2: shows that we humans, we don't want to die. He
Speaker 2: has spent millions of his own dollars to never die,
Speaker 2: maybe even cracked the code that limits the human life
Speaker 2: span and the King of Longevity, Brian Johnson.
Speaker 1: What drives someone to spend two million dollars to not die?
Speaker 2: Let's just say we fast forward a few hundred years.
Speaker 2: That's when humans figured out they were transitioning from die
Speaker 2: to don't die. One night of bad sleep reduces your
Speaker 2: NK cells by seventy percent. Your NK sales are was
Speaker 2: killing cancer cells.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard that before.
Speaker 2: My grandfather was full of lead, my parents are full
Speaker 2: of asbestos, and n I'm full of microplastic. We think
Speaker 2: they're causing very serious health problems. It may be worse
Speaker 2: than we think. I had this general idea that there
Speaker 2: must be some system in place in America. They're like
Speaker 2: watching out for us. Not true.
Speaker 1: What age are you predicting to live to the Number
Speaker 1: one health and wellness podcast, Jay set Jay Sheeta Set, Hey, Everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome back to On Purpose the number one health and
Speaker 1: wellness podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every
Speaker 1: one of you that keep coming back every week to listen,
Speaker 1: learn and grow. Now, today's guest is someone who says
Speaker 1: they're not going to let themselves die. Brian Johnson is
Speaker 1: known as the world's most measured human. Brian spent four
Speaker 1: years creating Project Blueprint, which is an endeavor to achieve
Speaker 1: humanity and Earth scale cooperation within self. As a forty
Speaker 1: seven year old, he has the metabolic health of the
Speaker 1: top one point five percent of eighteen year olds, inflammation
Speaker 1: sixty six percent lower than a ten year old, and
Speaker 1: reduce the speed of aging by thirty one years. With
Speaker 1: a lifestyle that costs him two million dollars annually. He
Speaker 1: is the real life Benjamin Button. Please welcome to On
Speaker 1: Purpose Brian Johnson. Brian, it's great to have you here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to dive in straight away, and just
Speaker 1: to ask you, what drives someone to spend two million
Speaker 1: dollars to not die?
Speaker 2: I think it's very confusing to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I think when you read the headlines and you view
Speaker 2: I'm just unintelligible by most people. And I think if
Speaker 2: you look back, you know, let's just say we fast
Speaker 2: forward a few hundred years and you live in the
Speaker 2: twenty fifth century and you're reading the history books of
Speaker 2: this time and place. I think it'd be pretty obvious
Speaker 2: to them. They would say, like, oh, of course, that's
Speaker 2: when humans figured out they were transitioning from die to
Speaker 2: don't die. Like that's the big thing that they had
Speaker 2: the technological and medical progress to say they could now
Speaker 2: begin extending their lifespans to some unknown degree. So I
Speaker 2: think it really just we're on this inevitable trajectory towards
Speaker 2: radically standing how long and how well we can live.
Speaker 2: And I'm really the forerunner in trying to start that process.
Speaker 1: And how did you compute the amount of two million?
Speaker 1: How did it get to that? Like what does that
Speaker 1: involve and include to get to that level?
Speaker 2: So the two million is primarily spent on the research
Speaker 2: and the measurement, and so the actual what I do
Speaker 2: day to day is very low cost. I'd say the
Speaker 2: majority people can afford it. Most things are actually free.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people see that the two million
Speaker 2: dollar headline and they think, oh, this can't be achievable
Speaker 2: or reachable for me. But actually is. And so what
Speaker 2: we did that was unique is when you're trying to
Speaker 2: do something to improve your health and wellness, it's important
Speaker 2: you can verify it does or doesn't work. Like if
Speaker 2: you hear a story about doing drinking this kind of
Speaker 2: drink is good for your health, it's a story until
Speaker 2: you can measure it and say it has this kind
Speaker 2: of change in the body and either change it increases
Speaker 2: your biological age or lowers or do something else. And
Speaker 2: so I became the most measured person in history, and
Speaker 2: that's really expensive. So really the expensive portions have been
Speaker 2: measuring every organ in my body. The actual protocols are
Speaker 2: really low cost.
Speaker 1: What was the most expensive thing to measure?
Speaker 2: It really is in chasing the cumulative measurement across the
Speaker 2: entire body. For example, like I'm the most I've spent
Speaker 2: more time in an MRI than anyone in the world.
Speaker 2: I think this new technology called DNA methylation, you're looking
Speaker 2: at these patterns of the body. I'm the most measured
Speaker 2: person with that meeting inflation in the world. And so
Speaker 2: like doing this consistently routinely, we do thousands of data
Speaker 2: points a week, and so I think it's just all
Speaker 2: these things adding up. It's just expensive to do the test,
Speaker 2: analyze the data, continually have that process. We need like
Speaker 2: a large team to do it.
Speaker 1: Do any of the measurement tools have adverse effects on health?
Speaker 2: Yeah, MRI we think is very safe. Okay, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: CET I've only did once. I just did a calcium
Speaker 2: score and then we do blood draws. I've done a
Speaker 2: ton of blood work. We did ultrasound on my veins
Speaker 2: a while back, and to see if we have scar
Speaker 2: tissue that have been building up because I've done so
Speaker 2: much blood drop, we couldn't find any scar tissue. So
Speaker 2: we do actively measure for negative repercussions of are we
Speaker 2: met too much to the extent of damage, So like
Speaker 2: we're even measuring measuring the measurement so in every way
Speaker 2: we can possibly interrogate the body. We're trying to acquire data.
Speaker 1: And how did you pick the areas to measure? Like,
Speaker 1: how were you able to say these are the five eight?
Speaker 1: I don't know how many. There are metrics that I
Speaker 1: believe are the most important too, longevity, How do we
Speaker 1: even know what are the things to focus on.
Speaker 2: We looked at every organ so if we have roughly
Speaker 2: seventy plus organs depending on how you count, and so
Speaker 2: you can say like I'm chronologically forty seven years old,
Speaker 2: but that's not really a useful number. It's like a
Speaker 2: general approximation. Then if you measure the heart, you can say, okay,
Speaker 2: what is the biological age of the heart, And you
Speaker 2: can then dissect that and say what is the structural
Speaker 2: age of the heart, And then what is the functional
Speaker 2: age of the heart. Like you can look at the
Speaker 2: functional age of like what is the max heart rate?
Speaker 2: You know, you can take two twenty minuture age roughly
Speaker 2: for a rough calculation. Then you look at the valves
Speaker 2: and you look at all the cell types and so
Speaker 2: you can break each organ down into a different ways
Speaker 2: to understand what is biological age. So for example, like
Speaker 2: my heart art is thirty seven, my left ear is
Speaker 2: sixty four, my diaphragm is age eighteen, And so you
Speaker 2: can any part of the body, any organ or biological process,
Speaker 2: you can assign an age score if you've got data
Speaker 2: to show data to make that comparison.
Speaker 1: Your left ear a sixty four, Yeah, walk me through that.
Speaker 2: I shot a lot of guns as a kid, and
Speaker 2: so I would aim the gun like this with this
Speaker 2: left ear exposed sound this this ear is more protected
Speaker 2: and then also loud music and so yeah, so this
Speaker 2: is the thing. Is like now when I'm at social events,
Speaker 2: I have this app on my phone decibel where like
Speaker 2: last night I was at a social event and the
Speaker 2: room was one hundred and five decibels, So anything over
Speaker 2: eighty can cause hearing damage. So just in a social
Speaker 2: environment with people talking at in a voice that's like
Speaker 2: loud enough for the other person to hear, you've got
Speaker 2: sustained ear hearing damage.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, I think it's something we don't realize. I
Speaker 1: saw my mom lose her hearing in one ear and
Speaker 1: the other one pretty weak. Yeah, and it's been really
Speaker 1: sad to watch because it's completely changed her personality exactly,
Speaker 1: and it's completely changed her ability to connect in a conversation.
Speaker 1: She's super fun, she's bubbly conversated, but as soon as
Speaker 1: she started losing her hearing and the hearing aid technology
Speaker 1: is definitely not caught up with any of the technology
Speaker 1: you're talking about. We got are the best ones that
Speaker 1: I possibly could know about, and it's still so hard
Speaker 1: for her to engage and it's such an underrated part
Speaker 1: of human life, Like you don't think losing your hearing
Speaker 1: maybe that impactful.
Speaker 2: It's huge, entirely true, and we've tried for the past
Speaker 2: few years. So we take all these measurements and we say, like,
Speaker 2: what is the biological age of blank organ? And then
Speaker 2: we say, all right, now we've reviewed all the scientific
Speaker 2: literature that's out there, how do you either slow down
Speaker 2: that speed of aging or reverse aging damage. So, for example,
Speaker 2: with my left ear, we've said, can you take my
Speaker 2: left ear from age sixty four to age sixty three
Speaker 2: and sixty two and all the way down to like
Speaker 2: age eighteen, and so in that case, we've had no
Speaker 2: success with hearing. There are a few stem cell therapies
Speaker 2: are in research, but no effective treatments, so we've had
Speaker 2: no success at all. So once you lose it right now,
Speaker 2: it's gone. Whereas other parts of my body like my
Speaker 2: speed of aging and my heart and my lungs, we've
Speaker 2: had great success lowering that biological age if you look
Speaker 2: at it anatomically or functionally, and so some things we've
Speaker 2: had great success. But this is the point where when
Speaker 2: people look at me and they say, you know, the
Speaker 2: guy is so busy trying not to die. He's forgetting
Speaker 2: how to live. And the flip side of that is
Speaker 2: when you lose function, movement, eyesight, hearing, right, your life
Speaker 2: begins to deteriorate two degrees like your mother saw, in
Speaker 2: ways you can't even imagine. And so it really is
Speaker 2: like this respect for our conscious existence and our biological capabilities.
Speaker 2: And so really I think that's what I'm trying to do,
Speaker 2: is that the new virtue is caring for our conscious
Speaker 2: existence and not being whimsical and throwing it away with
Speaker 2: behaviors that just are not necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny, isn't it. It's really interesting how
Speaker 1: we judge intentionality and you only recognize how intentional you
Speaker 1: wish you were when you lose something. And it's like that.
Speaker 1: I think there's that famous quote that says the best
Speaker 1: time to plant a tree was like one hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: but otherwise it's today. Like the idea of like you're
Speaker 1: just never gonna you will always feel you wish you
Speaker 1: started earlier. Yes, always, yes, but that only hits you
Speaker 1: when sadly, something really bad goes happen. Bad happens, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, gosh, I wish I thought about this
Speaker 1: when I was twenty five, twenty et cetera. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean when I'm thinking about what you're saying,
Speaker 1: what is there an age or damage level from which
Speaker 1: there is no return? What parts of the body Is
Speaker 1: there a specific age where you're like, if you're this
Speaker 1: chronological age and your biological age of this body part
Speaker 1: is this, it's over.
Speaker 2: I guess this is I think the coolest question right
Speaker 2: now is that in previous time periods, you were born
Speaker 2: and you died in predictable fashion. There was nothing you
Speaker 2: could do to stop the process. And so now what's
Speaker 2: different is that we are making progress on age related
Speaker 2: decline even before a baby's conceived. So now there's embryo selection, right,
Speaker 2: so it's don't die as happening before conception. And then
Speaker 2: recent studies have shown that you can take a mouse
Speaker 2: and it's like last week of life and regenerate it
Speaker 2: and double the lifespan of that mouse. And so we
Speaker 2: have technologies that can extend life before conception, midlife, and
Speaker 2: even at the end of life. And so now that
Speaker 2: I'm saying this is really it's full spectrum that there
Speaker 2: is no point of no return at this at this moment,
Speaker 2: I mean in this moment, yes, but like increasingly it's
Speaker 2: becoming this open question is there, And I think that's
Speaker 2: the most interesting and exciting thing that my dad is
Speaker 2: seventy one. I think most of his friends are just like,
Speaker 2: we're getting close, it's almost time. But man, he's got
Speaker 2: this ferociousness to live life that I'm really inspired by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's brilliant. What age are you hoping or I
Speaker 1: guess you don't have to hope predicting to live too.
Speaker 2: I don't think that any human can say anything intelligent
Speaker 2: more than one year from now, like we might. We
Speaker 2: can say, you know, we think the Earth is going
Speaker 2: to continue to orbit around the Sun with a certain
Speaker 2: degree of stability in terms of like how long are
Speaker 2: we going to live, how will cultural norms persist? What
Speaker 2: will be normal will not be normal? I think given
Speaker 2: how fast AI is developing, we cannot say anything intelligent
Speaker 2: beyond a year.
Speaker 1: Right, But your physical self you still feel.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I mean I think that, Like if you
Speaker 2: look at some of the best AI companies, like Dario
Speaker 2: from Anthropical the to Day wrote this blog books where
Speaker 2: he's imagining and I agree with him that it's possible
Speaker 2: we make one hundred years worth of progress in the
Speaker 2: next five years, that when we when to bring up
Speaker 2: these new AI models, that we can do things that
Speaker 2: otherwise would take us a hundred years to do. Now
Speaker 2: that is mean that these therapies will be available overnight,
Speaker 2: like we still have to go through the process. But
Speaker 2: I do think that we are looking at this possibility.
Speaker 2: So it's like when I say things like we may
Speaker 2: be the first generation to not die, people are like stupid,
Speaker 2: Like no, I get that from this vantage point, we
Speaker 2: can't see how the pieces of the puzzle come together,
Speaker 2: Like it's not clear to us which things do what
Speaker 2: and when. But that's not the point. It's really you're
Speaker 2: trying to pattern match large macro scale trends. And if
Speaker 2: you say, how fast is intelligence moving and when you
Speaker 2: acquire intelligence, what can that intelligence do on a macro scale?
Speaker 2: I think it really is a robust hypothesis that we
Speaker 2: may be the first generation is not.
Speaker 1: Die And what kind of compromise do you think that's
Speaker 1: going to take on a personal level or sacrifice? And
Speaker 1: you may not use those words, yeah, but if someone
Speaker 1: was looking at it and was thinking about it from
Speaker 1: that perspective.
Speaker 2: If we just put this in context. Let's imagine you
Speaker 2: and I travel back in time a million years ago,
Speaker 2: and we're with homo erectus, and we say, home, Erectus,
Speaker 2: tell us about the future of intelligent existence, like what
Speaker 2: are we going to evolve into? Right now? Homo erectis
Speaker 2: has models maybe of hunting, of like you know, weather patterns,
Speaker 2: or of like danger, But homo erectus is not going
Speaker 2: to be able to tell you that in this new
Speaker 2: science field called biology, we're going to figure out that
Speaker 2: there's molecules and we're going to or they're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to tell you that in this new
Speaker 2: world of quantum mechanics or in this new world of
Speaker 2: silicon transistors. They don't have any models to articulate what
Speaker 2: things could come about and why. And so they just
Speaker 2: lack any models to articulate anything intelligent. And so I
Speaker 2: wonder in this moment if we are just like homo erectus,
Speaker 2: where if you say, like, what will the future bring,
Speaker 2: what will the norms be, what will our proclivities be,
Speaker 2: what will we want? We have no idea of we
Speaker 2: don't have any models that help us understand. And so
Speaker 2: that's why I think that if you want to be
Speaker 2: a genius lean into that you probably don't know that
Speaker 2: everything we think we have known is now going to
Speaker 2: be called into question, and that the new genius is
Speaker 2: leaning into the unknown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how bad was your health before all of this?
Speaker 2: Awful? Like the worst. So I started entrepreneurship, as you know,
Speaker 2: twenty one years old. I start building companies. And the
Speaker 2: ethos is, you know, you would hear stories of like
Speaker 2: so and so stayed up two nights in a row,
Speaker 2: coding all night. They're amazing, they're a genius, they're so
Speaker 2: you know, great, and so that story would be like
Speaker 2: a status symbol, like they're important, they have power, you
Speaker 2: should respect them. And those stories propagate that. Others are
Speaker 2: like I want to have status when I want to
Speaker 2: be respected and I want to do cool stuff. And
Speaker 2: so you repeat these patterns of sleep deprivation and you know,
Speaker 2: harming your health. Now, that's just foolishness, like that we
Speaker 2: know from the evidence that you stay up for over
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, you're legally drunk, like you're just as
Speaker 2: intoxicated had you consumed, like you're a point zero alcohol level.
Speaker 2: And so we've really bought into this myth. I did
Speaker 2: in myself and so I ran myself ragged, like just awful,
Speaker 2: terrible sleep, terrible diet. I was depressed for ten years,
Speaker 2: So I was kind of obsessed with myself for ten
Speaker 2: years and it was the most awful decade of existence.
Speaker 2: So I was that was my starting point. And so
Speaker 2: now I mean, I arguably have the best biomarkers of
Speaker 2: anyone in the world. I've openly shared all my information.
Speaker 2: They're publicly posted and arguably down the line like fift
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen twenty measurements, and so it's been actually
Speaker 2: really motivating that if you can start where I was
Speaker 2: and then turn this hard, others can do the same.
Speaker 2: So to me, it's been a really motivating experience that
Speaker 2: the body is highly responsive to change.
Speaker 1: Was there a diagnosis or a particular day or event
Speaker 1: that happened that made you go, this is my turning point.
Speaker 2: Like I grew up on biographies. I understand the world
Speaker 2: to biographies, and I just love reading about people in
Speaker 2: time and place who are able to snatch out of
Speaker 2: the ether the future, Like the future is always present,
Speaker 2: it's just that it's very hard to see, and then
Speaker 2: over time we look back like, oh, of course that
Speaker 2: was the future in that moment, and like a certain
Speaker 2: people thought, And so I came obsessed with this question
Speaker 2: at twenty one, like what is the future of existence
Speaker 2: on a timescale a few hundred years into the future.
Speaker 2: And I basically grappled with that problem for twenty plus years,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what to do. So I said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go be an entrepreneur. I'm going to
Speaker 2: make a whole bunch of money, and with that money
Speaker 2: that I'll try to do something interesting. So like it,
Speaker 2: It's kind of been this like twenty five year long
Speaker 2: journey for me to try to identify something that would
Speaker 2: have the power of changing the course of humanity. And
Speaker 2: just in the past twelve months, I think it finally
Speaker 2: all came together.
Speaker 1: How old were you when you decided to make the
Speaker 1: shift to say I'm going to start turning back the club?
Speaker 2: So I was forty three. I'm not forty seven or
Speaker 2: four years ago.
Speaker 1: So four years ago, right, And at which age do
Speaker 1: you wish you started today?
Speaker 2: I wish I would have been an embryo selected based
Speaker 2: upon genetic markers woke me through that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: like now, you mean when you're going through a fertility
Speaker 2: you create a bunch of embryos and choose the best,
Speaker 2: you know, like along certain dimensions. And you know, I'm
Speaker 2: like most humans on the planet where I was just
Speaker 2: born through the typical process of but now you can
Speaker 2: really go in that earlier stage. And so I wish
Speaker 2: it was happened before conception. And then I wish growing up,
Speaker 2: you know, like my I grew up in Utah, which
Speaker 2: was very much a culture of sugar, cereal, you know, soda,
Speaker 2: excessive sun exposure without some protection, terrible sleep. Like, I
Speaker 2: just grew up in a culture that was extremely destructive
Speaker 2: to health and wellness. And so my entire life has
Speaker 2: actually been in this American culture, and it's been really
Speaker 2: and that I was consuming microplastics, you know, from like
Speaker 2: the earliest days, like all of us have been. And
Speaker 2: so I would say, yeah, I really wish it would
Speaker 2: have started before birth, if if not before then, very
Speaker 2: early in my childhood, I wish I wouldn't have been
Speaker 2: consuming sugar and things like that, which really has those
Speaker 2: have long term complications that we just I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we're fully aware of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those that don't know, walk us through the microplastics,
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's been a trendy term right
Speaker 1: now people are becoming more and more aware. Walk it
Speaker 1: through for someone who's unaware of what's happening there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean like on a large scale, Like my
Speaker 2: grandfather was full of lead, my parents are full of asbestos,
Speaker 2: and nine full of microplastics. Right, Like every generation has
Speaker 2: kind of had their environmental toxin. That has been a
Speaker 2: very ascourage in the world now. Microplastics have been this
Speaker 2: recent phenomena because plastics is a very low cost and
Speaker 2: high quality material and so they're everywhere. And so microplastic
Speaker 2: is less than five millimeters in length, and we get
Speaker 2: them in our bodies either by inhaling them, by ingesting them,
Speaker 2: or through our skin. Like in the average male testicle
Speaker 2: there's eight point two milligrams of microplastics in the average brain.
Speaker 2: There's fifty percent more microplastics now than there was ten
Speaker 2: years ago. So it's increasing really really fast. And so
Speaker 2: my company, Blueprint, we just launched the world's first at
Speaker 2: home microplastics test, Like we're realizing that this is a
Speaker 2: major problem. And the difficulty is we don't have any data,
Speaker 2: Like no one knows what these levels are in their life,
Speaker 2: and they Without that data, how do you know what
Speaker 2: things are working? Like if you stop drinking water out
Speaker 2: of plastic bottles, what happens, you know, Like what happens
Speaker 2: if you change the clothing you wear, what happens if
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And so, yeah, I have my
Speaker 2: levels measured. My whole team did it. Mine came back
Speaker 2: lower than anyone on my team. And we have reasons
Speaker 2: why we think that's the case, but we're not quite sure.
Speaker 2: So we're excited that we'll have the world's largest data
Speaker 2: set of microplastics in the next month. And then as
Speaker 2: a community, we can start saying like, now, let's all
Speaker 2: start running these tests and let's build therapies so we
Speaker 2: can start doing things to minimize microplastics in the body.
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Speaker 1: And what are the adverse effects of microplastics.
Speaker 2: Me For example, women that have higher levels of BPA
Speaker 2: have or had fewer eggs retrieved. So it affects, you know,
Speaker 2: very the fundamental processes of the body. It's been tied
Speaker 2: to all kinds of things, neual degeneration all. I mean,
Speaker 2: basically every health malady is potentially related to microplastics. Now,
Speaker 2: like the science is still emergent and we're still figured
Speaker 2: it out. But it's like, it's not a situation where
Speaker 2: we're saying microplastics are a good idea and you should
Speaker 2: consume more. It's a situation where like we are consuming
Speaker 2: an enormous amount of them. We think they're causing very
Speaker 2: serious health problems. It may be worse than we think.
Speaker 2: So it's really an area that we need to understand better.
Speaker 2: But I think minimization is probably the most important stepp.
Speaker 1: So what are three simple steps that someone could take
Speaker 1: right now to minimize the influx of microplastics.
Speaker 2: Water is one of the worst offenders, So don't drink
Speaker 2: out of plastic water bottles. Number two is have a
Speaker 2: water filter at home. So I have a reverse osmosis
Speaker 2: system at my house. It's very good. Mine reverse osmosis
Speaker 2: is the brand, A bunch of brands who make it.
Speaker 1: Who do you recommend?
Speaker 2: Mine's custom made. So I'm on my website. I have
Speaker 2: my water filter system listed out of every component. So
Speaker 2: if you go to blueprint dot Brian Johnson dot com
Speaker 2: and my protocol, I haven't listed there. And if you're
Speaker 2: in the United States, the guy who set it up
Speaker 2: for me, I have his number and name. If you don't,
Speaker 2: just call him. There's other systems that are better. They're
Speaker 2: like comparable. They are like three hundred dollars. So it's
Speaker 2: a very common technology. It's easily accessible. But have that
Speaker 2: in your home. Is water filter because microplastics are in water.
Speaker 2: And so that's why when people they say, like, well,
Speaker 2: I get my food at a farmer's market, therefore right,
Speaker 2: but they don't realize that the water that is, you know,
Speaker 2: coming there too for the farm is like could be
Speaker 2: filled with microplastics. So there's just there's no safe place
Speaker 2: anywhere for microplastics. Number two is, for example, canned soups
Speaker 2: in one study, they showed that a person who consumed
Speaker 2: canned soup for one week increase their their levels by
Speaker 2: twenty folds just in one week. Wow, gigantic. Yeah. Also
Speaker 2: be aware of clothing, so try to use like hemp, cotton, silk,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Use a hepa filter when you're vacuuming because
Speaker 2: they can be airborne in the house. Don't handle receipts
Speaker 2: that has a lot of plastic microplastics. Using cookware that
Speaker 2: have the stainless still or cast iron instead of nonstick
Speaker 2: is really helpful. But there's those are the kind of
Speaker 2: the big ones to be aware. If you go through
Speaker 2: your house environment, just say, like where is plastic? You
Speaker 2: might find you have a plastic cutting board, you might
Speaker 2: find you have plastic kitchen utensils, you might have plastic plates.
Speaker 2: So just be plastic aware. Once you have that mindset,
Speaker 2: you're going to realize that plastic is like everywhere, So
Speaker 2: just slowly make progress and trying to replace that with
Speaker 2: stainless still, aluminum things like that.
Speaker 1: What's fascinating is you have no idea how it's entering
Speaker 1: the system. Yes, because it's not a physical, tangible experience.
Speaker 1: You're not like feeling something.
Speaker 2: Exactly merging into your skin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well becaus through the What I was thinking about
Speaker 1: as you were talking, is this idea of what happens
Speaker 1: to water in a plastic bottle versus a glass bottle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're getting leeching from the plastic. And
Speaker 2: so I think the average plastic bottle has I think
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand microplastic particles something like that, So it's
Speaker 2: a very large amount. And so generally speaking, so I've
Speaker 2: just made this rule. Like today, I brought my stainless still,
Speaker 2: I just carried this around with me everywhere I go
Speaker 2: as my primary container for liquid. But yeah, so just
Speaker 2: try to avoid plastic as a water bottle generally. And
Speaker 2: the thing is, like most more on a bigger scale,
Speaker 2: the things which we can't see are now humanity's biggest threats.
Speaker 2: Like we are we're evolved to say, is there a
Speaker 2: lion in the bush or not? You know, we can
Speaker 2: we sense it, can we smell it, can we see it?
Speaker 2: Whereas now the dangers of like CO two build up
Speaker 2: in the atmosphere. We can't see it, we can't smell it,
Speaker 2: like we don't know it exists. So the only thing
Speaker 2: we know how it exists. If we see like a
Speaker 2: number on a screen that's like, this is bad because
Speaker 2: in this number, we're like, what does that mean? We
Speaker 2: can't see it. There's no real threat. The same as
Speaker 2: true with microplastics. It's like this unknown threat, we can't
Speaker 2: see it, we can't fill it. And so that's why
Speaker 2: what I've been doing is I've been trying to say,
Speaker 2: like we the reason when we measure everything is to
Speaker 2: basically give your body superpowers of awareness. It's like, now
Speaker 2: we understand, like what's happening when you ingest fast food,
Speaker 2: we understand what happens when you ingest microplastics, what happens
Speaker 2: when you ingest when you don't sleep well? Like you
Speaker 2: see the whole system effect, and so it's really cool
Speaker 2: in real time to see like actually, yes, like for example,
Speaker 2: one night of bad sleep, can I think it's four
Speaker 2: hours or less, reduces your NK cells by seventy percent.
Speaker 2: NK sales and K sales always killing cancer cells. So
Speaker 2: like your army of defense systems, like seventy percent of
Speaker 2: your army is wiped out after one bad night of sleep,
Speaker 2: and so it just has these really catastrophic effects.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard that before, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like there's this thing called S one B,
Speaker 2: and so you want these levels to be like in
Speaker 2: between twenty one hundred minor six sixty three point eight.
Speaker 2: When you don't sleep well, it's a toxin that gets
Speaker 2: inside the brains. The blood brain barrier breaks down. When
Speaker 2: you have a bad nights sleep. It's the same level
Speaker 2: as a traumatic brain injury. And so like the body
Speaker 2: is responding as though you had a traumatic brain injury
Speaker 2: from one bad night sleep. So these things accumulate over time,
Speaker 2: and that's why it's sleep is so critical. It's why
Speaker 2: this culture of entrepreneurship is like, oh, sleep on you're
Speaker 2: dead is so lethal to your wellness.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're you're talking about it, and I
Speaker 1: love the you know that idea that it's almost like
Speaker 1: the worst prison that you can be in is one
Speaker 1: where you don't know you've got handcuffs on. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you don't realize it. And I mean social media is
Speaker 1: kind of like that, Like you're in this prison of
Speaker 1: a world and you don't even realize you're being trapped.
Speaker 1: And our health's the same way I was. My friend's
Speaker 1: dad was in town from London, a couple of weeks back,
Speaker 1: and he has this app on his phone that shows
Speaker 1: the air pollution. I don't know what it's called IQ, right, okay,
Speaker 1: And he had it on his phone and he lives
Speaker 1: outside of the city of London, so he's not really
Speaker 1: in the heart of London. And he said that pollution
Speaker 1: score where my friend grew up, where my wife grew
Speaker 1: up is around two. Like I think it's on a
Speaker 1: scale of zero to one hundred unless I'm wrong. And
Speaker 1: he did it here in la and it was sixty yes,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I have no to me when
Speaker 1: I wake up, I feel like the yeas Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone knows La is polluted, but I don't feel that
Speaker 1: exactly right. I don't know that. Whereas like if I
Speaker 1: go to a certain country in the world which is
Speaker 1: known for its horrific pollution, I can somewhat tell the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it was like I could tell no difference from
Speaker 1: this between where my wife grew up in England, yet
Speaker 1: exactly it's extraordinarily different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, on the air pollution, I agree
Speaker 2: with you. I live in la as well, so I
Speaker 2: have a air measurement device in every room in my
Speaker 2: house and filters, and so we measured the air quality
Speaker 2: in every single room twenty four seven. So you're right, Like,
Speaker 2: LA air quality is typically around the sixty mark, which
Speaker 2: is like kind of bad. But my house it's perfect.
Speaker 2: It's zero, And so I'm always aware of where the
Speaker 2: air quality is outside and inside. So, yeah, I wish
Speaker 2: LA had better air quality. I love LA for so
Speaker 2: many reasons. I really wish the air quality was better.
Speaker 2: But ye, I agree with you. It is a significant
Speaker 2: health threat and it's not a good idea to have
Speaker 2: a lot of exposure to that air.
Speaker 1: How do we go about purifying air inside of our homes?
Speaker 1: Obviously we can't control the air in the city we
Speaker 1: live in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's quite a few filters. I'll get you
Speaker 2: the names the ones I use. But I just have
Speaker 2: one filter per room and it does a great job
Speaker 2: taking down multiple contaminants. So if you're just mindful, like
Speaker 2: for example, I'd never leave my windows open, so it's
Speaker 2: always a pretty tight air block. I do go outside,
Speaker 2: you know, when the air quality is nice. I try
Speaker 2: it mindful. But also like if we're going to play
Speaker 2: like basketball game with friends, I'll also do that, So
Speaker 2: I kind of have like some flexibility, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: can actually maintain near perfect air quality in the house.
Speaker 2: And so if you go to my house, like I'd
Speaker 2: love to have you come see it, Like it's basically
Speaker 2: we have perfect water, perfect air. It's the optimal state
Speaker 2: for health across all the spectrum.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about water too, have you changed
Speaker 1: the water you're showering in as well? Because I think
Speaker 1: that's sometimes that's something me and my wife have been
Speaker 1: talking about. We have a reverser as most this machine
Speaker 1: for water that we drink. Yes, but recently we were
Speaker 1: talking to a skin health expert and he was talking
Speaker 1: about the water we showering having a different effect. And
Speaker 1: I literally tested washing my face with the water I
Speaker 1: drink and washing my face with shower water, and he
Speaker 1: could immediately tell the difference using the tools and devices
Speaker 1: he was measuring, just with how it affected my skin.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's very true. So we actually did the
Speaker 2: same measurements where I took water that was from our
Speaker 2: filter system and water tapwater, I put it into a
Speaker 2: humidifier in my room, I turned it on, and then
Speaker 2: I measured the air quality based upon humidified tapwater and
Speaker 2: filtered water. The tap water set off all the alarms.
Speaker 2: It was like danger zone, something bad is happening. So
Speaker 2: we're doing the analysis now. But I agree like they'd
Speaker 2: cause a lot of harm on skin inside the body,
Speaker 2: so yeah, and they have to be practically managed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What I find fascinating about so much of this
Speaker 1: stuff is then you said you were going to India
Speaker 1: soon and you'll see it there. Like when I grew
Speaker 1: up and when I used to visit India when I
Speaker 1: was young, and even when I lived there for some time,
Speaker 1: we always use stainless steel to drink in like that
Speaker 1: was the norm. And it's almost like now it's like
Speaker 1: all these new you know, now everyone's using stainless steel
Speaker 1: in the Western world. But now if you'll go back
Speaker 1: to India, lots of plastic bottles everywhere. And so it's
Speaker 1: such a like weird thing as to how we went
Speaker 1: away from tried and tested wisdom that we already had.
Speaker 1: Like in my home, every cup for drinking water growing
Speaker 1: up would be stainless steel, Yeah, because it was the
Speaker 1: Indian way to do it. And I always didn't like
Speaker 1: it because I didn't like the clanging. It felt weird
Speaker 1: because when I'm in a friend's house is they didn't
Speaker 1: have stainless steel cups and things. It felt a bit
Speaker 1: awkward and strange. Now when I think about it, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that was the right way to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And somehow, somehow we went away from that because
Speaker 1: I guess cost it was cheaper to produce, cheaper to scale.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much human health has been sacrificed over
Speaker 1: saving and making money.
Speaker 2: That's exactly I think. You know that is like the
Speaker 2: biggest game in the world right now is capitalism. That's
Speaker 2: what drives the majority of what exists in the world today.
Speaker 2: Like religious hasher adherents doesn't really affect the effects of
Speaker 2: capitalism all that much, right, It's a very moderate effect.
Speaker 2: Capitalism is the absolute dominant effect in the world. It's
Speaker 2: more sol than democracy, mor solinity, religion. It's the primary
Speaker 2: game plane. So I think, yeah, and that's my primary
Speaker 2: objective in life. Is I'm calling it a question that
Speaker 2: the capitalism no longer answers the questions that are imminent
Speaker 2: for us as a species.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, because a lot of people will say
Speaker 1: that all of these new health trends are just disguised capitalism,
Speaker 1: but they're really simple and accessible, like you're saying, like,
Speaker 1: I loved how you started off by explaining that the
Speaker 1: two million dollars isn't on the protocols, which we'll get to,
Speaker 1: but the two million is actually on the research and
Speaker 1: the measuring so that you can prove that the protocols
Speaker 1: were exactly right, and so it's actually accessible to everyone.
Speaker 1: But often people are like, like, I remember when when
Speaker 1: celary juice was the thing which has helped me a
Speaker 1: lot in my life, for sure, at least from a
Speaker 1: story anecdotal point of view. But I remember one being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're just trying to make money off
Speaker 1: of salary farms. And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think everyone. I don't think there's one person
Speaker 1: that owns every salary farm, so I don't think that's working.
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? If that'sn't making any sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Yet when I entered this world four
Speaker 2: years ago, I thought there's so many patterns that were
Speaker 2: similar to religion, where like you take the King James
Speaker 2: version of the Bible and you can support one hundred
Speaker 2: different denominations. Right, they all fight like we're the true
Speaker 2: religion because like the scripture, that scripture. So then you
Speaker 2: walk in the world, you're like, how do I even know,
Speaker 2: like what's going on? It's all in the same book.
Speaker 2: And so health and wellness was very similar. If like
Speaker 2: take your guru, take your chrismatic personality, and like do
Speaker 2: this thing. And we wanted I wanted to say, like
Speaker 2: we're going to be strictly science and strictly data and
Speaker 2: we're going to open source publish everything I do. There's
Speaker 2: no gatekeeping involved here. And so that's what we did.
Speaker 2: I think the card that uniqueness is that we just said, like,
Speaker 2: we don't care about story, we just want to see
Speaker 2: the data.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think that's really been successful is that we
Speaker 2: are impartial. We don't care what the answer is. We
Speaker 2: just want it to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're doing it to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the greatest test. So, yeah, your sleep
Speaker 1: score has been one hundred percent for the last eight months.
Speaker 1: What does that require?
Speaker 2: I mean I wanted to, like Amelia Earhart flew a
Speaker 2: plane across the Atlantic, you know, people went to the
Speaker 2: top of Everest, went to the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 2: Shackleton was trying to I was like, what would a
Speaker 2: modern day explorer do? Like, what is like an epic thing?
Speaker 2: I thought, no one has shown, no one has mastered
Speaker 2: sleep in human history, right, Like we have no quantify
Speaker 2: like a gold medalist of sleep. There's no like world
Speaker 2: record of sleep. And I thought, I'm going to set
Speaker 2: a world record of sleep. And so eight months of
Speaker 2: perfect sleep, and I wanted to demonstrate you can achieve
Speaker 2: high quality sleep every single night if you try it.
Speaker 2: And so I rebuilt my entire life around it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I became the world's best sleeper.
Speaker 1: And what does that require to become the world world's
Speaker 1: best sleeper?
Speaker 2: I mean, really, five simple things which everybody can do.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. I tried hundreds of things and I
Speaker 2: just landed on five. So one is you have to
Speaker 2: reframe your identity that you are a professional sleeper. So
Speaker 2: just like you take your professional job seriously, you show
Speaker 2: up on time, right, you learn, you grow, like you
Speaker 2: have a lot of self respect on what you do.
Speaker 2: The same matrure for sleep right now, Like we sleep
Speaker 2: when it's convenient, or when we're done watching our show,
Speaker 2: or when we're finished like having friends over. But sleep
Speaker 2: is actually a profession like, you need to become really
Speaker 2: good at it and respect it. Number two is the
Speaker 2: last time of the time of your final meal to
Speaker 2: day is really important. So at least two hours before
Speaker 2: you go to bed is your final meal. Then start
Speaker 2: three hours before and then four and five. MINEU is
Speaker 2: currently nine hours before, So I go to bed at
Speaker 2: roughly eight thirty. That's not true. I go to bed
Speaker 2: at eight thirty on the dot. So then my last
Speaker 2: bill of the day's around eleven thirty am, And so
Speaker 2: I do that, and my resting heart rate at that
Speaker 2: point is forty four. And when my resting hertbry's forty four,
Speaker 2: I'm guaranteed to have a perfect night sleep. If I
Speaker 2: eat two hours for bed, my resting herbay is going
Speaker 2: to be like fifty six because your body is still
Speaker 2: working hard to digest, and that will reduce my sleep
Speaker 2: quality by thirty five ish percent. Just like clockwork, it's
Speaker 2: very predictable. So last meal to day and then what
Speaker 2: you eat is really important. If you have like a
Speaker 2: big pizza or pasta or breads or alcohol, you're going
Speaker 2: to disruptive sleep. So final meal, eat earlier and lighter,
Speaker 2: and the right kinds of foods. Three is you want
Speaker 2: to be aware of light, so knock out blues no
Speaker 2: screen time time. There's an app called flux Flux that
Speaker 2: knocks out blues on your screen even before that last minute.
Speaker 2: So an hour before bed, no screen time, take lights
Speaker 2: down in the house, and then also use red lights
Speaker 2: amber lights. Four is consistency. So whatever your red time is,
Speaker 2: it's ten thirty be in bed plus or minus thirty
Speaker 2: minutes every night. Now, if you want to get more precise,
Speaker 2: like five minutes, that's kind of hard for some people,
Speaker 2: but thirty minutes is a pretty good one. Your body
Speaker 2: will give you a super power of assistance if you're consistent.
Speaker 2: Like when I was going to bed on time, when
Speaker 2: I do my eight months of perfect sleep, I was
Speaker 2: in bed plus or minus one minute of my bedtime,
Speaker 2: and my body would when I eight twenty nine would arrive,
Speaker 2: my body would just like knock out. It was unreal
Speaker 2: how powerful my cycle was. So if you can harness
Speaker 2: that consistency, your body will be more powerful than any
Speaker 2: sleep pill, any other intervention. It's really good. And then
Speaker 2: the fifth, and this is really important, is a wind
Speaker 2: down routine. So one hour before bedtime, you switch from
Speaker 2: work mode to sleep mode. And so it's really a
Speaker 2: mind game because when you slip into your sleep mode
Speaker 2: one second later, your brain's gonna say, oh, what about
Speaker 2: this idea or what about this concern? Or what about
Speaker 2: this problem or what about this thing I forgot to do?
Speaker 2: And your body, your head just gonna your mind's gonna
Speaker 2: pin you with all these things. You'd have to say like,
Speaker 2: thank you ambitious Brian for the new idea I what
Speaker 2: to do. We really appreciate you. You're doing a great
Speaker 2: job in life. Also tomorrow we have all day long
Speaker 2: to address this. Right now we're in sleep mode, so
Speaker 2: I do this self talk, you know, like, oh, you
Speaker 2: had this conversation today when you're with Jay, you said
Speaker 2: this thing. You probably offended him. Now he probably don't
Speaker 2: want to hang out with you anymore. You're like, you
Speaker 2: have to cycle to all these all these anxious thoughts,
Speaker 2: and so you have to do this self talk and
Speaker 2: be like I hear you. It's okay, I've heard your concern.
Speaker 2: Because what you're trying to do is when your head
Speaker 2: HiT's a pillow, you want to be somewhat reconciled with reality.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're going to all night long, just loop through
Speaker 2: those thoughts all night long, and you'll be in light
Speaker 2: sleep and you'll just be in the same fast space
Speaker 2: and you're missing your deep in your rim. So so
Speaker 2: then the white everteen you switched to sleep mode. But
Speaker 2: then you also want to do things like read a
Speaker 2: book or for a walk, do breath work, meditate, you know,
Speaker 2: have a nice conversation with a friend, like don't fight
Speaker 2: with your partner in that window, like don't create in
Speaker 2: a rousing situation. So those five things will give you
Speaker 2: the best sleep of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like we wait for our head to
Speaker 1: hit the pillow to reflect on the thoughts that we
Speaker 1: didn't choose to reflect on before we got into bed
Speaker 1: because we don't have that reflection time before getting into bed.
Speaker 1: Because that's what I was going to say. I think
Speaker 1: for most people, they can get into bed, but then
Speaker 1: they sit there for an hour's worrying and stressing and
Speaker 1: they're feeling anxious or nervous or overwhelmed. But you're saying
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. You just got to do that
Speaker 1: before you actually get into.
Speaker 2: Bed, exactly, like you have to go through this decompression time.
Speaker 2: You kind of have to let yourself like air out
Speaker 2: all of its grievances, all of its ideas, like all
Speaker 2: of its reconciliation, and you have to talk to you,
Speaker 2: like talk through it with yourself, like hey, Brian, like
Speaker 2: and be soft like I hear you like and it's okay,
Speaker 2: like tomorrow we're all right. But otherwise, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: like you really people most people think you lay down
Speaker 2: and that's the time to do the reconciliation and it
Speaker 2: just leads to disaster. But there's like there's five metrics
Speaker 2: to pay attention to or I guess four, your sleep
Speaker 2: is good if when you if your head is on
Speaker 2: the pillow, you're asleep within a few minutes. If you're
Speaker 2: longer than that, then you need some work. Two is
Speaker 2: you want to be up less than thirty minutes per
Speaker 2: night total, So if you're up for one bathroom break,
Speaker 2: you know, back to sleep quickly. Three is like roughly
Speaker 2: two hours of rim, roughly two hours are deep. There's
Speaker 2: variance there. People are different on that one, but like
Speaker 2: those are roughly the sleep stats. If you're in that category,
Speaker 2: you're like early twenties, like in your sleep quality. As
Speaker 2: you age, it's harder to get sleep, And that's especially
Speaker 2: true for women. They have to spend much longer time
Speaker 2: in bed than men do. So it's really important these
Speaker 2: habits you cement otherwise like you're really fighting against multiple fronts.
Speaker 1: And do you think for people who are waking up
Speaker 1: often when they're asleep, or and they're awake for longer
Speaker 1: than just a few moments, what should they be looking at?
Speaker 1: Like what metrics should they be pushing towards to be
Speaker 1: like that's what's causing it? How do they deduce that?
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the last mill of the day, So if
Speaker 2: their bodies agree, they'll robustly digesting. Then you have you Basically,
Speaker 2: you'll miss your deep because when you go to sleep,
Speaker 2: you fall into a deep sleep window very quickly, and
Speaker 2: then if you miss it, you can't get it. So
Speaker 2: last week I was at a conference and everyone went
Speaker 2: out for this big party, and I wanted to try
Speaker 2: to accommodate, like I wanted to be with everyone, So
Speaker 2: I went to bed at seven pm. I woke up
Speaker 2: at nine pm, so I got my two hours of
Speaker 2: deep sleep. Then I went out with everybody. We had
Speaker 2: a great time. I came back home, I went to bed.
Speaker 2: I think at one or two, and then I got
Speaker 2: my remaining six hours of rem you know, I get
Speaker 2: two hours of rim but six hours of sleep, and
Speaker 2: I still had a great night sleep and I felt
Speaker 2: wonderful the next day. But if you wait and go
Speaker 2: to bed like at midnight, for me, I would just
Speaker 2: miss my deep sleep. It would be gone. And so
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to like functionally be adaptive to societal
Speaker 2: norms while it was still logging in those metrics. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to be mindful of like if you build
Speaker 2: your life around it, then you can make these adjustments.
Speaker 2: But you really have to make a professional effort to
Speaker 2: do this because it takes like structurally, just get it
Speaker 2: right and then you'll win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I feel a big difference. So I'm
Speaker 1: pretty disciplined in my sleep times as well, have been
Speaker 1: for a long time. I maybe haven't measured it for
Speaker 1: as long, but I'm thankful and grateful to have great sleep.
Speaker 1: But the I found that when I'm sleeping after midnight,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how many hours I sleep for I
Speaker 1: never feel as good in the morning exactly. It's so significant.
Speaker 1: Why is that what's happening when we're sleeping consistently after
Speaker 1: eleven PM or midnight, what's actually happening.
Speaker 2: I mean, your body has a production line, so like
Speaker 2: you have a rhythm and you can get your deep sleep.
Speaker 2: So if you go to bed at ten thirty, your
Speaker 2: deep sleep's going to happen between ten thirty and twelve thirty,
Speaker 2: may have a bit more deep sleep, like a two
Speaker 2: or three in the morning, but the majority is gonna
Speaker 2: be front loaded. So if you miss that front window,
Speaker 2: you just miss it and you can't pick it up.
Speaker 1: Why is that front window so much more important than
Speaker 1: the later window.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have a few sleep types. You've got REM,
Speaker 2: you have deep, light and deep. So many restorative processes
Speaker 2: are happening in REM. You've got a bunch of memory,
Speaker 2: reconciliation and whatnot, but deep you just have this restorative
Speaker 2: building process. So you basically miss out on all those
Speaker 2: sort of processes if you miss it, which is why,
Speaker 2: like the brain hurts when you don't get it. You
Speaker 2: can't do like garbage collection, Like you miss the garbage truck.
Speaker 1: What about Oh yeah, that's a great way of looking
Speaker 1: at it, To miss the garbage truck. That's I've never
Speaker 1: heard that. I've heard the dishwasher analogy before, but the
Speaker 1: garbage truck one's even better. Actually, Yeah, the idea that
Speaker 1: if your garbage didn't get picked up and it's still
Speaker 1: outside your house or your apartment or.
Speaker 2: Even in your home, you're stuck with it the next day.
Speaker 1: That's pretty terrible, and you struck with it for another week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, no one, no one's coming.
Speaker 1: No one's coming to correctly, that's great, and yeah, that
Speaker 1: feels really really true. And I feel like what we
Speaker 1: don't realize because we often say I know so many
Speaker 1: people who say, but I do my best creative work
Speaker 1: at night.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people who say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I need to go to that party or whatever
Speaker 1: it is right, or I feel left out or fomo
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, or people who just go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just can never get to sleep, So what's the point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And what would you say to someone who says any
Speaker 1: one of those three?
Speaker 2: So I've learned to be in doing this for four years,
Speaker 2: I've learned to be very humble. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much we know and how much we don't know, like
Speaker 2: if it maybe, for example, like we actually know two
Speaker 2: percent of what we will know in ten twenty thirty years,
Speaker 2: and so we're very humble, Like for example, I am vegan,
Speaker 2: i'm color restriction, and yet you know if you hear
Speaker 2: those stats, and I also do low protein, and so
Speaker 2: if you hear those stats, the cultural norm would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: he for sure is broken, weak, not capable, not athletic,
Speaker 2: not strong. But in every category, like my cardiovascro fitness,
Speaker 2: my actual physical stresin all my metrics are top one percent.
Speaker 2: And so we've defied the cultural norm of what is
Speaker 2: good health, how you achieve good health. And so I
Speaker 2: know this is probably true for others as well. Is
Speaker 2: many of the things we believe are probably not true.
Speaker 2: And so I'm soft also that I've learned that people
Speaker 2: have a justification for everything. There's just no way around it.
Speaker 2: That's that's humans. And so I don't try to resist it,
Speaker 2: just say, like, great, do your thing. Just measure your data,
Speaker 2: because we know the stats, like for example, if you're
Speaker 2: not sleeping well, your other marketers are going to be off,
Speaker 2: like your SB one hundred, like all these different all
Speaker 2: these markers are going to be off. I invite just
Speaker 2: look at the data.
Speaker 1: What are the data driven insights of poor sleep? Like,
Speaker 1: what really is going to happen to you? You already
Speaker 1: taught us what happens after one night of sleep? What
Speaker 1: does it look like when you have seven nights seven
Speaker 1: months of.
Speaker 2: Bad I mean, like if you notice, like I did
Speaker 2: this my company kernel, we built this brain interface, this
Speaker 2: wearable e fhimri, and we were measuring the effects of
Speaker 2: my brain of willpower with deep sleep and without deep sleep.
Speaker 2: So with deep sleep, my willpower was significantly high. Without
Speaker 2: deep sleep it significantly dropped. And so like if the
Speaker 2: next day, after deep sleep, you're trying to decide do
Speaker 2: you eat the brown or not, do you work out
Speaker 2: or not? Do you have a drink or not? Like, right,
Speaker 2: the chances of you caving in that moment are significantly
Speaker 2: higher if you've not had deep sleep. So then it
Speaker 2: has this cascade effect. So if you don't sleep, then
Speaker 2: you're also going to this bad thing, which also leads
Speaker 2: to poor sleep, which also leads to doing more bad things.
Speaker 2: So it has this domino effect where it really cements
Speaker 2: bad habits and it becomes harder for you to come
Speaker 2: out from underneath it of actually making meaningful change.
Speaker 1: I can so relate to that idly again, I see
Speaker 1: myself craving sugars when I've had bad sleep exactly, And
Speaker 1: when I haven't and I've worked out and everything, I
Speaker 1: feel great, Yes, And as soon as a bad night sleep,
Speaker 1: the next I know, all I want is some sugar
Speaker 1: and stay anyway to get through. And you're so right,
Speaker 1: it's just a repeating cycle exactly.
Speaker 2: It just devastates your willpower and like all these other
Speaker 2: cascading things. And so that's why, like I think in
Speaker 2: even like five or ten years, I think that health
Speaker 2: is gonna it will become the zeitgeist. And I think
Speaker 2: we'll look back and we'll be like, what, like we
Speaker 2: used to just sleep depart ourselves and we had no
Speaker 2: idea what it was doing for these follow on effects
Speaker 2: like I wanted to Actually, what I like to do
Speaker 2: is tie sleep to IQ. You don't mess with someone's IQ, right, Like,
Speaker 2: if you can show that IQ drops post a bad
Speaker 2: night's sleep, it basically decimates these ideas of like genius
Speaker 2: person does blank without sleep. So the ultimate argument is data.
Speaker 2: So it's the study I want to do is take
Speaker 2: these patterns, measure IQ throughout the day, and if you
Speaker 2: can show that drop, like there's very few things that
Speaker 2: will be more effective than showing that you basically become
Speaker 2: dumb when you don't sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to find a way
Speaker 1: of convincing people. Yeah that sleeps a good investment. And
Speaker 1: it's hard, right because it almost feels like I think
Speaker 1: we don't look at a part that part of our
Speaker 1: health as something we can be good at. Yes, and
Speaker 1: that's why your whole idea or becoming a professional sleeper,
Speaker 1: like I think we do think about, oh I want
Speaker 1: to be a professional runner, I could be a professional bodybuilder, Like,
Speaker 1: these are parts of our health that becoming good at
Speaker 1: seems aspirational exactly. But becoming a good sleeper, or even
Speaker 1: becoming a good meditator to some degree, aren't seen as
Speaker 1: professional accomplishments or pursuits because they don't have this competition,
Speaker 1: and nor should it be a competition. I don't think
Speaker 1: it needs to be. But this idea of competing against yourself,
Speaker 1: which is what a sleep score is, yes, seems like
Speaker 1: the healthiest way.
Speaker 2: To do it, exactly. I did this as well with
Speaker 2: so when this endeavor went viral, people were confused, and
Speaker 2: so I got a lot of name calling. So people
Speaker 2: be like, you're an eccentric billionaire, rich Patrick Bateman, Prometheus,
Speaker 2: you know, like all the possible things they could call me.
Speaker 2: And so they were just confused. And so I say, like, okay,
Speaker 2: Lebron James spends one point five million dollars a year
Speaker 2: on his health, right and you see him play in
Speaker 2: the court. You're like, good job, Lebron, Like you're doing
Speaker 2: a good job. But someone like myself, if you've worked
Speaker 2: really hard at health and wellness, I'm weird in an
Speaker 2: outcast and should be an eccentric. And so I had
Speaker 2: to clarify for people that actually I'm a new category.
Speaker 2: And I came up with this idea that I'm a
Speaker 2: professional rejuvenation athlete. It's a new sport, it's a new game.
Speaker 2: And they created a leaderboard so looked at speed of aging.
Speaker 2: So there's a clock inside of our body that tells
Speaker 2: you how fast or how slow you're aging. And then
Speaker 2: I said, all right, world, let's compete, because right now
Speaker 2: you have like all these health gurus who are saying
Speaker 2: like do this, do that, but how do you know
Speaker 2: what thing works? And so I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: just show us your data. So now we have a
Speaker 2: liderboard and so same thing. Just like a professional sleeper,
Speaker 2: there's now a professional Reuvenian athlete and we have a
Speaker 2: lider board. People compete, So it's like it helps humans
Speaker 2: understand what the game is and how to win and
Speaker 2: how score points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we underestimate how much we do
Speaker 1: function like athletes. Like athletes are playing or four big
Speaker 1: games a week if you're playing basketball, if you're playing soccer,
Speaker 1: it's probably like two to three American football. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a game a week or a couple of
Speaker 1: games a week. But it's like we don't realize, like
Speaker 1: that tough conversation at work, that presentation at work, that bed,
Speaker 1: that sale, like whatever, it is, like all of that
Speaker 1: is taxing us in a different way. Like we're not
Speaker 1: pushing our bodies that far, but we are pushing our brains,
Speaker 1: We are pushing our guts, we are pushing our minds.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk to you a bit about
Speaker 1: food because you brought up a few interesting things. They're
Speaker 1: about eating that much earlier before bed. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to start with the low protein. So I'm vegan too,
Speaker 1: so that's why I was listening to So I was
Speaker 1: like I'm vegan to measure caloric intake, but hearing you
Speaker 1: talk about being low protein, that's something I'm always told
Speaker 1: to do the opposite for, So walk me through that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your protein intake?
Speaker 1: So I've been told or I've been told to try
Speaker 1: and do like my body weight, right, and so that's
Speaker 1: impossible for me. My gut doesn't not enjoyed that, And
Speaker 1: so as I tried to increase my protein intake, I
Speaker 1: found that it was harder and heavier on my gut.
Speaker 1: If I'm honest right now, I'm probably doing like eighty
Speaker 1: grams of protein a day, and that's good if I
Speaker 1: get there like realistically and my gut can handle that.
Speaker 1: Whereas I saw my gut health struggling as I tried
Speaker 1: to get to one hundred and twenty grams of protein
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm in the same range. So I'm roughly
Speaker 2: one twenty so I weigh one seventy four. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so I say that's low protein. So it sounds like
Speaker 2: for where you're at, that's about where you're at. But
Speaker 2: most men I know are typically in like the two
Speaker 2: hundred and two fifty range. They have an idea that
Speaker 2: just there's no upper bound of too much protein and
Speaker 2: so they just pound it. And so, yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: my one twenty is generally speaking, on the lower side
Speaker 2: of how most men think about protein assumption, right, especially
Speaker 2: with an hour every day working out, it's like a
Speaker 2: really rigorous schedule, so most people just assume you have
Speaker 2: to have more.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm vegan, I work out an hour every day.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just when I was being told to eat
Speaker 1: like one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy grands of protein,
Speaker 1: I couldn't go beyond one hundred. I was like, my
Speaker 1: body just does not like it. Yeah, and I'm about
Speaker 1: to destroy my gut to try and get a protein goal.
Speaker 1: But then my gut help's going to suffer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we look at it. So we say, like, basically,
Speaker 2: you can look up blood biomarkers and say, because once
Speaker 2: you get too much protein it has a negative effect
Speaker 2: on the body, you can tease out those biomarkers. But
Speaker 2: then we've used MRI to say what is my total
Speaker 2: muscle mass, what is my fat, you know, liver fat
Speaker 2: like throughout So for example, on my latest MRI scan,
Speaker 2: I'm in the top one percent for ideal muscle and
Speaker 2: fat and so by every marker, and then my cardiovascular fitness,
Speaker 2: I've top one point five percent of eighteen year olds.
Speaker 2: So like that's the end point. So if you say
Speaker 2: what is the protein intake, it's not solely based upon
Speaker 2: a dietary recommendation. It's like what is happening in the body,
Speaker 2: and what is my muscle status, what is my cardiovastrostatus,
Speaker 2: what is my energy? And so like those the endpoints
Speaker 2: where again you move away from story and you move
Speaker 2: to data and let data resolve the debate.
Speaker 1: What's what's your body five percentage right now?
Speaker 2: Around ten?
Speaker 1: Okay? And it was that a goal you had.
Speaker 2: It was like an approximate goal, but we were really
Speaker 2: trying to say, if you're taking every organ in the body,
Speaker 2: we're trying to make every organ in my body age eighteen.
Speaker 2: That's kind of a ridiculous idea in this moment, but
Speaker 2: it may not be in five or ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 2: We've been successful in slowing down my speed of aging
Speaker 2: and then reversing the biological age of semi organs, not
Speaker 2: all like, for example, my left ear. It's really this
Speaker 2: methodical progress to say, can you measure age and then
Speaker 2: move the organ back.
Speaker 1: And from a diet perspective, what helps you get to
Speaker 1: age eighteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've tried to construct a perfect diet, so every
Speaker 2: single calorie I consume has a specific objective if it
Speaker 2: doesn't achieve a goal, Like we've basically tried to just
Speaker 2: stack superfoods across the board. And so there's nothing I
Speaker 2: eat which is like cool or fun or culturally in.
Speaker 2: It has to have rigorous scientific evidence and we have
Speaker 2: to measure in the body that's actually working. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: I eat a lot of broccoli, cauliflower, lentils, pea protein, hemp, protein, berries, nuts, seeds.
Speaker 1: Could you walk me through your exact meals like a
Speaker 1: rough day, because I'm going to try mirror these meals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my first meal the day is called super
Speaker 2: veggie and it's a broccoli, cauliflower, black, lentils, ginger, garlic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the first mill, and the second mill is called
Speaker 2: nutty pudding, which is macadamia nuts, walnuts, flax seed, pomegranate juice,
Speaker 2: some berries and p and hemp protein. And the third
Speaker 2: mill the day varies every day, so it's like some
Speaker 2: vegetables some berry nuts seed, but a total of two thousand,
Speaker 2: five hundred calories. And then I do one tablespoon of
Speaker 2: extra version olive oil with each mill so I do
Speaker 2: three tablespoons a day. Yeah exactly, yeah raw, so I
Speaker 2: never cooked with it. And then I do college in peptides.
Speaker 2: So that's the only thing that's non vegan is the
Speaker 2: collagen peptides, and it's two thousand, two hundredfe Oh. They
Speaker 2: also do some cocoa, one hundred percent pure cocoa, six
Speaker 2: grams a day, and then I take around fifty pills.
Speaker 2: So there's no diet, no vigan diet, no carnival diet
Speaker 2: can satisfy the body's entire needs. So you have to
Speaker 2: supplement if you want to be ideal, and then if
Speaker 2: you want to be on the frontier of like really
Speaker 2: slowing down your aging and robustly addressing the body's needs,
Speaker 2: you need to supplement. Some things just cannot be acquired
Speaker 2: through through diet, and so these are like this is
Speaker 2: just scientific fact. It's very hard to have this conversation.
Speaker 2: Like the moment you bring up diet, people just go crazy,
Speaker 2: like war breaks out between the vegans and the carnivores,
Speaker 2: between this and that. It's just so I just I
Speaker 2: don't talk about it much because people get so triggered
Speaker 2: by it, and so I just try to like say,
Speaker 2: like do your thing, like whatever it is, do your thing,
Speaker 2: just measure and then follow your market.
Speaker 1: It's like no processed foods, no packaged foods, that you're
Speaker 1: not eating anything out of a packet scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean actually all blueprint food. So basically when
Speaker 2: I started doing this, we started measuring everything I was consuming,
Speaker 2: all foods, all supplements. And as you might expect, these
Speaker 2: supplement labels are not accurate, companies are not truthful, and
Speaker 2: the food is terrifyingly toxic. Like we know the food
Speaker 2: systems thirty but I had this general idea that there
Speaker 2: must be some system in place in America. They're like
Speaker 2: watching out for us. Not true. So unless the food
Speaker 2: is killing you on the spot, there's like this gray
Speaker 2: area of like kind of just do whatever. And so
Speaker 2: we're finding these foods that I was eating, we're very toxic.
Speaker 2: And so we basically spent the past year sourcing food
Speaker 2: from all of the entire world, the very best foods,
Speaker 2: lowest levels of toxins, and so we've made it out
Speaker 2: into a product. People are like, I want to do this,
Speaker 2: but it's way too complicated. So we just made it
Speaker 2: easy for everybody. But it's like, I think we've created
Speaker 2: the most scientifically robust product out there, plus the cleanest
Speaker 2: all third party lab results posted.
Speaker 1: So wait, what can people buy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So this is my company blueprint?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah. When the company went viral diluin this endeavorment viral,
Speaker 2: people are like, love it. I want to do it,
Speaker 2: but it's way too hard, Like no way can I
Speaker 2: put this all together? And so I thought, Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: do it. So we put together the whole thing in
Speaker 2: this low cost, easy to consume package olive oil, protein
Speaker 2: eight pills a day, and then a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 2: But we're trying to basically say, like you can get
Speaker 2: every calorie you need from us, got it? And so
Speaker 2: we're trying to do most scientific scientifically rigorous and cleanest
Speaker 2: and then transparent like here the lab results. So I
Speaker 2: think we've built the best thing in the entire world.
Speaker 1: And you don't think that's different from getting your calories
Speaker 1: from whole foods and real foods.
Speaker 2: You can Yeah, so I eat whole foods down.
Speaker 1: That right, right, right, so this is more of like
Speaker 1: a supplementary package. It's not a replacement meals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so like protein. The protein is a
Speaker 2: replacement mill. Yeah, it's like you need to get P
Speaker 2: and MP protein somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what does your supplement intake look like? What
Speaker 1: I You said fifty pills? I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the our blooeprint stack has eight. So it's like,
Speaker 2: if you want the best longevity stack in the world,
Speaker 2: we've put together eight pills.
Speaker 1: And what do does eight include?
Speaker 2: About sixty two or so health actives. So they're some
Speaker 2: of the best molecules known to anti Asian science for
Speaker 2: the body.
Speaker 1: Amazing. I can't wait to try it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I brought it here for you to day.
Speaker 1: Oh very cool. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. And wait, so wait, what time
Speaker 1: are you eating then? Because if you're finishing me at
Speaker 1: eleven thirty am, what time are your meals?
Speaker 2: Six am is my first meal and then I finished
Speaker 2: by eleven to eleven, So you.
Speaker 1: Eating everything within five and a half hour. What does
Speaker 1: that do to the.
Speaker 2: Body so far? The data says it's good. Like if
Speaker 2: you look at my speed of aging or any of
Speaker 2: the marker in my gut, it seems all fine. So
Speaker 2: I really this protocol is built around sleep more than
Speaker 2: anything else.
Speaker 1: Do you have any cheat days or any.
Speaker 2: I don't know one. No. Now, the idea of eating
Speaker 2: a piece of pizza or a whole pizza, or like
Speaker 2: a donut or something just makes me sick because I'm
Speaker 2: going to do it. There'll be like five seconds of
Speaker 2: maybe enjoyment, and then you've got like an entire day
Speaker 2: of misery. You feel sick, you feel lethargic, your sleep
Speaker 2: is going like I've just ruined my sleep. I thought
Speaker 2: awful about myself, Like the cost is so high, I
Speaker 2: just don't want to do it. The other day, I
Speaker 2: ate a potato chip. My friend was like, just have one,
Speaker 2: and it tasted like gasoline. Like I'm so surprised, Like
Speaker 2: we're just so normalized this these processed foods. We can
Speaker 2: no longer taste it. But it was just wild to
Speaker 2: go back in time and experience it new.
Speaker 1: It is interesting how quickly your taste buds rewire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you kind of disconnect from some of these foods.
Speaker 1: I've definitely done like long refined sugar free fasts for
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the longest one I've ever done,
Speaker 1: but definitely a few months. Yeah, And I feel like
Speaker 1: after that, as someone who grew up addicted to chocolate,
Speaker 1: what you were talking about when you grew up in
Speaker 1: a family where yeah, sodas and drinks, it was like
Speaker 1: for me, I grew up in a family where all
Speaker 1: we ate was chocolate all day. And so for me
Speaker 1: to go back to there are days when I'm like,
Speaker 1: that does not taste anywhere near as I thought it
Speaker 1: was good? Is it was going to taste? Something that
Speaker 1: I loved and adored before has kind of lost it.
Speaker 1: And you just notice how quickly do you have any
Speaker 1: day on how quick it takes to rewire your taste once?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that is such a interesting feeling
Speaker 1: because now it's not like you even fighting it, Like
Speaker 1: you said, when you taste you're like, god, I didn't
Speaker 1: even want that. That's a really fascinating place to be at.
Speaker 1: So have you seen any day on how quick we
Speaker 1: can rewire our taste works?
Speaker 2: Within days?
Speaker 1: Days?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Is very very fast.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing about being human, is like if
Speaker 2: you take any given circumstance and you say, like, what
Speaker 2: do I abhor? What do I What am I repulsed by?
Speaker 2: What kind do I find unimaginable? What? You know, take
Speaker 2: any kind of vector or and you imagine that that
Speaker 2: is an impossible thing for you to be or do,
Speaker 2: and then if you actually got in that circumstance and
Speaker 2: you did it for a few days, you may find
Speaker 2: yourself renormalized to the exact thing you just found unimaginable.
Speaker 2: Like we humans can adapt to anything and almost instantaneously.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy and so like most of the time,
Speaker 2: the realization is just like we're trapped in this idea
Speaker 2: that we found how somehow found truth and that anything
Speaker 2: else is non true is not truth. But like it's
Speaker 2: like we can adapt to any reality like that. It's
Speaker 2: like we've seen that again and again.
Speaker 1: So do you Are you someone who gets stressed if
Speaker 1: you walk into the room and you sense that the
Speaker 1: moistures off or the air qualities off, or you ate
Speaker 1: something like, how do you react to that?
Speaker 2: I've had enough cycle times now with measurement where I
Speaker 2: can feel things intuitively. I can feel my HRV. I
Speaker 2: absolutely know my heart rate at any given moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I definitely my sensory awareness has dramatically increased.
Speaker 1: And then how do you react to that because you
Speaker 1: can't control the humidity in every room or wherever you are, for.
Speaker 2: Example, Yeah it's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, So you're not you're not. You don't
Speaker 1: you're not like, oh my god, like this is gonna
Speaker 1: set me Like, you don't you don't have that reaction.
Speaker 2: I'm playing the power laws. So that's why, like last week,
Speaker 2: when being with friends, I wanted to try and new think,
Speaker 2: go to bed early, get your deep sleep, stay up
Speaker 2: and have fun. If you go back to bed, like
Speaker 2: it's okay. So really trying to be adaptive.
Speaker 1: So I love that. Let's talk about that because I
Speaker 1: think that what's interesting is to live a highly intentional life,
Speaker 1: but then to be adaptable and know where the wiggle
Speaker 1: room is. Yeah, that seems like a great way to live,
Speaker 1: and it also seems like something that isn't usually possible.
Speaker 1: What we usually see is and this isn't just to
Speaker 1: do with health, but with anything. We usually see people
Speaker 1: who are control freaks. We're like, everything has to be
Speaker 1: super controlled, and as soon as one control is off,
Speaker 1: they freak out. And that's not a great way to live.
Speaker 1: Whether it's business, health, marriage, whatever it may be. Or
Speaker 1: you see the opposite where someone has no rules whatsoever,
Speaker 1: They just do what they want when they want, and
Speaker 1: life kind of goes on and we all know where
Speaker 1: that ends up. So how have you managed to create
Speaker 1: that mindset that allows you to have space, have time
Speaker 1: and then live a really regimented, discipline life because I
Speaker 1: like that a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean my mentality is that I'm really motivated by
Speaker 2: being respected by those that exist in the twenty fifth century.
Speaker 2: Like when they read about this time and place, I
Speaker 2: would like them to say that I saw something that
Speaker 2: was invisible that was incredibly hard to do, that the
Speaker 2: predictable pushback from the status quo was pretty violent, and
Speaker 2: so I'm really trying to demonstrate the future of being human.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be normal. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: bow the status quo. I'm not trying to fit in.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to soothe. I'm trying to say the
Speaker 2: speed at which technology is traveling, we're basically probably evolving
Speaker 2: like you know, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty fifty years
Speaker 2: equivalent in months of time, Like our speed of evolution
Speaker 2: is increasing rapidly and so I'm trying to anticipate where
Speaker 2: we want to be and not be a lagging indicator
Speaker 2: of status quo. And so in my mindset, I really
Speaker 2: don't care what anyone right now who lives has to
Speaker 2: say about this. I don't. I just really am entirely
Speaker 2: in that future headspace. And so that really I find
Speaker 2: to be liberating, because like so much of our society,
Speaker 2: you're tethered to social expectation and the punishment of what
Speaker 2: a company's violating that expectation, and I just found it.
Speaker 2: I had to come up with a mental model to
Speaker 2: like try to fully explore this without that tethering.
Speaker 1: Are you are you scared of dying? No, what's your
Speaker 1: relationship like with death? What are your thoughts about?
Speaker 2: For me, it's kind of an interesting conversation because we
Speaker 2: humans do not know what happens after death. No one knows. Now,
Speaker 2: you can imagine what happens, you can tell a story
Speaker 2: about what happens, you can hypothesize what happens, like all
Speaker 2: those things are true, but it's an unknowable thing. And
Speaker 2: yet that doesn't stop us from speaking with unbridled confidence
Speaker 2: on what will be. And to me, it really shows
Speaker 2: that we humans, we don't want to die, like desperately,
Speaker 2: we do not want to die, and we want to
Speaker 2: try to address this omnipresent concern of what exists after life?
Speaker 2: What is death? And so I try to be very
Speaker 2: sober minded to say like, I don't know, and no
Speaker 2: human knows. Therefore, the thing I value most is that
Speaker 2: that existence is the highest virtue. Whereas before be when
Speaker 2: death is always inevitable, you just naturally soothe yourself with
Speaker 2: these stories. And what I'm saying now is like, actually,
Speaker 2: we might be able to do something about this that
Speaker 2: we never could before, and therefore we can have a
Speaker 2: reimagination of what existence truly is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the Eastern perspectives always fascinated me with how
Speaker 1: our consciousness is eternal and the body is temporary, and
Speaker 1: therefore that desire to live forever comes from this, yeah,
Speaker 1: very innate truth that we are eternal. We're not limited
Speaker 1: in the way the body is limited to some degree,
Speaker 1: I guess. And it's always been fascinating to me how
Speaker 1: the desire to live is a very natural one, actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's uniform, Yeah, but it's almost one that we
Speaker 1: are scared to ask. There's a lot of fear around
Speaker 1: even talking about death. It feels morbid. It feels when
Speaker 1: it's the most it's you know, guaranteed and the most
Speaker 1: common thing that will it's the number one thing that
Speaker 1: will happen to everyone who's worn.
Speaker 2: So like if you tell, like, let's just take an
Speaker 2: entrepreneur and say, like, if you show up to do
Speaker 2: this thing and you're just present and do some minimal
Speaker 2: amount of work, you're going to become a billionaire, Like
Speaker 2: that's the prize. But in reality, you have to be
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur. It's like to defy all odds and work
Speaker 2: a crazy amount to achieve some level of success. And
Speaker 2: I feel like the death narrative that we have a
Speaker 2: species is it's kind of the same ofs like you
Speaker 2: get this afterlife with this minimal set of effort. And
Speaker 2: so basically it sacks people of inviting them to work
Speaker 2: hard for existence because it's already guaranteed. And so to me,
Speaker 2: it has this really negative consequence where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: taken care of. Therefore, you can have poor health habits,
Speaker 2: you can risk your life, you can do these things.
Speaker 2: So I think we're really on this bigger time scale.
Speaker 2: We're wrapped up in this moment, where are we should
Speaker 2: be working a lot harder and a care a lot
Speaker 2: more about our existence, about the planet's health, about our kids' help,
Speaker 2: about societal's health. And we're lacks of daisical because we
Speaker 2: have some sort of idea that somehow in the afterlife
Speaker 2: things are sorted. So I think it really weakens us
Speaker 2: as a species.
Speaker 1: From the point of view of data. What's different about
Speaker 1: what men need to do for longevity and what women
Speaker 1: need to do for longevity.
Speaker 2: We have much more in common than we do differences.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people immediately jump to They'll see
Speaker 2: my protocol and they'll say, well, certainly there has to
Speaker 2: be personalizations that you know are done from you versus
Speaker 2: me or whatever. And I would draw their attention back
Speaker 2: to say, we have much more in common than you think,
Speaker 2: like instead of saying, like, what are the major commonalities,
Speaker 2: they immediately go to differences. And so what we have
Speaker 2: in common is sleep works great for men and women, right,
Speaker 2: and eating vegetables right also great for men and women.
Speaker 2: And again you can look at the data, exercise great,
Speaker 2: and so there's nuances on the exercise of like around
Speaker 2: a woman's cycle. So yes, there's nuances been generally speaking,
Speaker 2: the basics of health of life. Health practices are good
Speaker 2: for both males and females, and so then the nuances
Speaker 2: like you have a protocol I've published publicly, there's nuances
Speaker 2: of a woman's cycle what to do around that for
Speaker 2: both food and exercise. So so yeah, those are details
Speaker 2: I've listed out, But generally speaking, the benefits are in
Speaker 2: the power laws of health and wellness of getting the
Speaker 2: basics right and less so the tail things which people
Speaker 2: focus on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how does someone lower their inflammation which is
Speaker 1: known as like the silent killer.
Speaker 2: So my body, for example, has barely levels of any
Speaker 2: detectable inflammation. It's almost entirely gone.
Speaker 1: I want that. That sounds amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know your inflammation level?
Speaker 1: I don't know my level recently, I've got a blood
Speaker 1: test coming up again, so I need to check it
Speaker 1: out with Darshan. So but yeah, it's always been one
Speaker 1: of those things that's been hard for me to manage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, interesting. Yeah, so you're looking probably at your
Speaker 2: hs CRP. Yeah yeah, so yeah, it has to do
Speaker 2: with it. A lot is sleep. Yes, Like again like
Speaker 2: back to the basics of life and then stress Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it kind of always comes back to the basics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are people getting wrong in their daily
Speaker 1: schedule with stress that they could easily change to kind
Speaker 1: of lower that because, like we talked about earlier, not
Speaker 1: everyone's in a position to take care of their own schedule,
Speaker 1: build the thing that may be work in a job
Speaker 1: in a certain way. Like what are some things people
Speaker 1: can do to manage that throughout the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first is sleep. So, like sleep is a superpower
Speaker 2: to manage stress. I know that when I'm well rested,
Speaker 2: if a stressful event happens, it just kind of I
Speaker 2: can brush it off. If I'm not well rested, it
Speaker 2: feels very painful and I react very strongly. So sleep
Speaker 2: is probably the most powerful thing to manage stress. Too,
Speaker 2: is you know, if you're exercising and feel well, also
Speaker 2: lowers like stress response than a balanced diet every single
Speaker 2: yea the same stuff, like you get those power laws
Speaker 2: in place. Agree, a lot of people like when they
Speaker 2: can't get those power OUs in place, they want to
Speaker 2: take a pill. And so I realize that's how a
Speaker 2: lot of people think. I do want to urge people
Speaker 2: like get those habits in place. They are the most robust,
Speaker 2: highly performing things you can do.
Speaker 1: What does your one hour workout look like?
Speaker 2: It's cardio, weights, balance and flexibility.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, very balanced.
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I love about everything you're saying is that it's
Speaker 1: things that it's almost like some of it, we know,
Speaker 1: some of it, we're aware of the biggest challenge I
Speaker 1: guess when it comes to all of this is discipline.
Speaker 1: Like discipline, if there was one word, what word would
Speaker 1: you choose? If there's one thing that you said, is
Speaker 1: that the core of everything you've.
Speaker 2: Talked about today, it's systems.
Speaker 1: Systems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like if you design, if you say, like
Speaker 2: I go to bed at this time of day every
Speaker 2: single day, you build your life around it. If you
Speaker 2: say I work out in the morning right and wake
Speaker 2: up every day and never change it. So the thing
Speaker 2: that most people do is they leave the decision to
Speaker 2: their willpower. They say do I feel like it or not?
Speaker 2: And then in that moment, it's like, now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: skip today because like I've been working really hard. I
Speaker 2: need to rest anyways, like you rationalize it in whatever way.
Speaker 2: So just build systems. I basically when I started doing this,
Speaker 2: like and when I came here today, I put your
Speaker 2: address in to my navigation system, and I was like,
Speaker 2: take me there. I didn't like memorize the streets right,
Speaker 2: and so I trusted the algorithm. I had more data
Speaker 2: than I had, and so I proposed this four years ago.
Speaker 2: When I started, I said, can we build an algorithm
Speaker 2: that takes better care of me than I count myself? Like,
Speaker 2: just measure my body, put it into a competitional system
Speaker 2: and pair the science then tell me what to do.
Speaker 2: I wanted to do like navigation for my body, and
Speaker 2: that's what we've done. So I basically I do not
Speaker 2: make decisions in my mind. Yes, the algorithm does all
Speaker 2: the things for me, and so I just like I
Speaker 2: feel like inevitable that we humans will not do this
Speaker 2: weird thing of make decisions on a daily basis of
Speaker 2: what to eat, when exercise would just be done by
Speaker 2: an algorithm, and we'll be like, this is amazing because
Speaker 2: like it just does what's right for me. I feel amazing.
Speaker 2: I was scared of it before and now it's the
Speaker 2: best thing ever. It's like, it's just inevitable we're going
Speaker 2: to be in that path.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: A lot of people when they hear that, they will
Speaker 2: think it's this topic which, like I get it from
Speaker 2: where you're at, but like we have said yes to
Speaker 2: algorithms everywhere, and it's entirely reasonable that we'd say yes
Speaker 2: to our health.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the system's point is so true. And
Speaker 1: a big part of systems is focusing on how you
Speaker 1: feel after the system is complete, not before. Yes, Like
Speaker 1: I have the same system. I know what days I
Speaker 1: work out and what times I work out, and it's
Speaker 1: still hard before one of those days to feel like
Speaker 1: I really want to do it. Yes, but I know
Speaker 1: for a fact I'm going to feel great. So even
Speaker 1: when I'm in that moment to message and be like,
Speaker 1: oh I don't want to work out today, I know
Speaker 1: I'm going to regret that later, Yes, and I'm actually
Speaker 1: going to appreciate later that I got that workout in
Speaker 1: even when I felt tired, even when I felt sluggish. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's actually going to be the best time. And so
Speaker 1: I love the answer of systems, but I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of programming the mind to be committed to the
Speaker 1: feeling after you complete a system, never how you're going
Speaker 1: to feel before.
Speaker 2: That's true, and like I learned this when I was depressed,
Speaker 2: you know, my mind was like, hey, you should commit suicide,
Speaker 2: like life is awful, You're never going to feel a
Speaker 2: hope again. Die and like it was just on repeat
Speaker 2: saying that, and I learned, Like it was the biggest
Speaker 2: breakthrough in my depression was when I learned I am
Speaker 2: not my thoughts such a simple concept, but like you
Speaker 2: see it Land, It's like, Okay, this came from somewhere,
Speaker 2: but it's not me. And so even now, like do
Speaker 2: I want to work out or not, I don't care
Speaker 2: what my brain says. It is an unreliable source of information.
Speaker 2: Systems are a more reliable form information. So like, set
Speaker 2: up your system and like you're saying, do you know
Speaker 2: if you do the system, you're going to be happy,
Speaker 2: And just never trust my mind to tell me what
Speaker 2: I do and don't want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's interesting about that is a lot of
Speaker 1: people say, well, are you just not ignoring your emotions
Speaker 1: and how you feel? What I find is the opposite,
Speaker 1: that the system makes you better at dealing with any
Speaker 1: emotion that then comes up exactly right. So it's not
Speaker 1: that you don't have emotions and you don't have feelings
Speaker 1: and you don't experience stress or anxiety, but the system
Speaker 1: being in place actually just gave you all of this willpower.
Speaker 1: Going back to your point, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: we go wrong, because I think we've kind of got
Speaker 1: to this place in society where it's like, well, how
Speaker 1: you feel is the reality is the truth, and it's like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: If I just listen how I feel all the time,
Speaker 1: I'll probably never do anything that's good for me. I'll
Speaker 1: probably eat lots of stuff that's bad for me, and
Speaker 1: I'll never choose the thing that's right for me, and
Speaker 1: I'll keep doing what's wrong for me because it's easier, exactly,
Speaker 1: and my mind is constantly trying to get me to
Speaker 1: do what's easier exactly, and what's easier is really good
Speaker 1: for me entirely. Yeah, I find that to be the
Speaker 1: I mean, that feels like it's it like what's good
Speaker 1: for me is not easy, and what's easy is not
Speaker 1: good for me, and what's uncomfortable is probably the right decision,
Speaker 1: and what's comfortable is probably the wrong decision. What did
Speaker 1: it take you to program yourself to say yes to
Speaker 1: that algorithm? Like?
Speaker 2: Two things? Like one, when I built my previous company,
Speaker 2: in brain Treamo, we would build version one of our software,
Speaker 2: and then version two and version three we never showed up.
Speaker 2: And the software is like, guys, now I don't feel
Speaker 2: like doing out work today. I'm not going to perform
Speaker 2: Like the software is just performed in its most robust
Speaker 2: way possible. It's very reliable. Now there are bugs and
Speaker 2: we can fix the bug. But then, whereas me as
Speaker 2: a system of intelligence, just like software, I would make
Speaker 2: all the same errors every day, go to bed late,
Speaker 2: eat the wrong foods, maybe have alcohol, like waste time
Speaker 2: on things I didn't want to do, Like I would
Speaker 2: just be this walking disaster of errors and I would
Speaker 2: do the same behaviors every single day. And I thought,
Speaker 2: this is crazy, Like this form of intelligence I can
Speaker 2: just program to be like this great robust intelligence, whereas
Speaker 2: I can't do anything reliable. And I thought, I want
Speaker 2: to build myself in a way where I can reliably
Speaker 2: be robust as an intelligent system. So like this is
Speaker 2: kind of cool, Like we can now can imagine this
Speaker 2: as humans. So I wanted to build systems. And like,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people will be like that's
Speaker 2: so weird, You're not a computer, But so I get it.
Speaker 2: But I guess like I would say two things. One
Speaker 2: is that when I talk about these things in these terms,
Speaker 2: people will say, but you're not happy, Like I find
Speaker 2: that I find happiness in life and spontaneity like stain
Speaker 2: up all night, and like they have all these elegant
Speaker 2: explanations about you know why they love to the following things,
Speaker 2: which is fine. So there's like two ways to look
Speaker 2: at this one and say, like what does your health
Speaker 2: look like? What does my health look like? What does
Speaker 2: your happiness look like? And what does my happiness look like?
Speaker 2: And like, quantitatively, I think this system is superior. Now
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you have to do a specific thing.
Speaker 2: You can still have flexibility and you can have spotan eighty.
Speaker 2: But generally speaking, people are very reluctant to release the
Speaker 2: status quo of like do they just like do whatever
Speaker 2: they want whenever they want to a more rigorous stance
Speaker 2: of like you can be happier with these systems in place.
Speaker 2: But it's just like I've I've had this conversation so
Speaker 2: many times. I know, like the deep, deep resistance people
Speaker 2: have to just shut this down. But I'm suggesting, like
Speaker 2: this is really the reality of the future of being human.
Speaker 2: I'm prototyping it right now, and it actually is a
Speaker 2: superior system to whatever we're doing as humans.
Speaker 1: Now, what's holding us back from thinking health can lead
Speaker 1: to happiness? God?
Speaker 2: What a good question. Honestly, that that is like a
Speaker 2: bull's eye in capitalism. You're you're fighting for resource accumulation,
Speaker 2: for wealth accumulation, and for status, and you're willing to
Speaker 2: sacrifice everything to achieve that goal because health is not
Speaker 2: the goal, like resource accumulation is a goal. Power is
Speaker 2: a goal. Like you, I guess you can kind of
Speaker 2: map everything back to status, power, sex. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 2: guess it's like the goals the society has and the
Speaker 2: if the imagination is that if existence is the highest virtue,
Speaker 2: like we want to hold onto this with everything we have.
Speaker 2: Those other objectives become secondary considerations but subject to our
Speaker 2: own well being, and we just haven't made that transition yet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but but yeah, what do you think I.
Speaker 1: Was trying and think about it from from you know,
Speaker 1: my knowledge base of Eastern literature and philosophy, and it's
Speaker 1: there's there's four archetypes in Eastern philosophy, and they all
Speaker 1: have different goals within a society, and one archetype aims
Speaker 1: for knowledge, one aims for power and control and influence,
Speaker 1: one aims for resources and wealth, and one aims for
Speaker 1: comfort and stability and security. And I think that in
Speaker 1: times like these you become pretty much only two of them,
Speaker 1: which is you either aim for security, stability, and comfort,
Speaker 1: or you aim for resources, accumulation, power and control. And
Speaker 1: the thirst and pursuit for growth and evolution and improvement
Speaker 1: has become kind of bottom of the pile. It's the
Speaker 1: hardest and it's the most powerful, but it requires so much,
Speaker 1: And like you said, because we've been wired to either
Speaker 1: want to remain the same or want to achieve in
Speaker 1: a very external way growth something unseen. Right like right now,
Speaker 1: as I see you, I can't see that you're eighteen
Speaker 1: years old. I can't see that you're any of these things.
Speaker 1: And so then I'm like, well, that's not important then,
Speaker 1: because life's based on what I see. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: obviously not a healthy way to live or the right
Speaker 1: way to live, or maybe it is for some people,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely not an accurate way to live because
Speaker 1: what you see is not necessarily what's true. And so
Speaker 1: I think we've become a very visible surface level society
Speaker 1: and growth and focus and discipline or systems are such
Speaker 1: unseen parts. It's almost like the idea that everyone wants
Speaker 1: a successful business, but people may not want to do
Speaker 1: the work to build a successful business, right, and so
Speaker 1: the work is unseen. The foundations of the building are unseen,
Speaker 1: the bottom of the iceberg is unseen, and we still
Speaker 1: are figuring that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think yeah. To build on yours R,
Speaker 2: I'd say like, when death is inevitable, humans choose games
Speaker 2: within the selection options, so you can pursue those four archetypes.
Speaker 2: If death doesn't is not inevitable, it changes the underlying
Speaker 2: structure of society. Everything changes. And that's my primary hypothesis
Speaker 2: is that's what this moment is about. Like that is
Speaker 2: the only thing happening right now for humans. Is like
Speaker 2: we knew we're going to going to die before, and
Speaker 2: now there's this open question of will we be the
Speaker 2: first generation to not die? If that's true, everything we've
Speaker 2: imagined we care about changes.
Speaker 1: And I'm really happy that you're putting yourself out there
Speaker 1: as someone who's not trying to appease or not trying
Speaker 1: to keep the status quo, because I feel like when
Speaker 1: we see human brilliance in sport, music, drama, film, TV,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. The truth is we love it,
Speaker 1: but we can never be it or do it because
Speaker 1: there is a certain distance between you doing what Lebron
Speaker 1: James does. And yes, there may be a distance between
Speaker 1: what we can do and what you're doing to the
Speaker 1: extreme and the top one percent. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: the possibility of us getting closer to that is probably higher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so everyone's trying to get good at golf. Yeah, chances
Speaker 1: of you being Tiger Woods is pretty impossible. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: for us to actually reverse aging is probably more likely
Speaker 1: and helpful to us in the long run as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone, Yeah, if you look at this from like
Speaker 2: the biggest time skills, like a quick review of history.
Speaker 2: Buddha was like, hey, like there's some suffering with life,
Speaker 2: and the best way to approach this is to detach yourself.
Speaker 2: You know, this all a ful path. And then Confucius
Speaker 2: had this idea of familiar relationships within community. Mohammad said,
Speaker 2: we should submit to God. Jesus said, I am the
Speaker 2: son of God. Adam Smith said, there's this invisible hand
Speaker 2: of markets and capitalism and these systems that can emerge
Speaker 2: and then America was like we the people, and car
Speaker 2: Marx was like, actually it's class warfare. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, we have these big ideologies that have shaped
Speaker 2: our reality, but really humanity is run by a very
Speaker 2: small number of things, right, political structures, economic structures, ideological structures.
Speaker 2: And in this moment, we're experiencing a radical change of technology.
Speaker 2: And when that happens, we humans want to find things
Speaker 2: that are useful to our objectives, and so we say like, hey, capitalism,
Speaker 2: can you help out? Hey democracy, Hey Christianity, Hey Islam.
Speaker 2: Like we kind of search and say who has answers?
Speaker 2: And right now, every system society has fails to answer
Speaker 2: the fundamental question what do we do as a species?
Speaker 2: Like what do we do as individuals? Like when AI
Speaker 2: is emergent, when we're building superintelligence, what do I do?
Speaker 2: And what do we do? And no existing structure can
Speaker 2: answer that. That's true, Like you look throughout history, these
Speaker 2: theologies largely emerge in response to technological change. It happens,
Speaker 2: and we say, like we need help with a new
Speaker 2: ideological structure. And so that's what don't Die is is
Speaker 2: don't die as basically meant to answer, like be the
Speaker 2: answer and that's why I think it can become on
Speaker 2: par with the major ideologies in a few years time,
Speaker 2: that this is the new way we structure society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian, thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 1: It's been really illuminating and fascinating to talk to you.
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that we get to hang out more
Speaker 1: because definitely share a lot of values and share a
Speaker 1: lot of desires for humanity and for each other, for ourselves,
Speaker 1: and so I hope I get to learn a lot
Speaker 1: more from you, truly. Yeah, I'm very excited to learn
Speaker 1: from you. We end every On Purpose episode with a
Speaker 1: final five. These questions have to be answered in one
Speaker 1: word to one sentence maximum. Although I know I'm going
Speaker 1: to break the rules because I'm fascinated, but Brian Johnson,
Speaker 1: these are your final five. The first question is what
Speaker 1: is the best health longevity advice you've ever heard or received?
Speaker 2: Build habits?
Speaker 1: Second question, what is the worst health of longevity advice
Speaker 1: you've ever had or received?
Speaker 2: Cheat Days?
Speaker 1: Why a cheat day is bad for us?
Speaker 2: They teach you bad habits. They are they inflict damage
Speaker 2: upon the body, They set unreal estic expectations. It's a
Speaker 2: bad mimetic all the way.
Speaker 1: Down Question number three, What do you do for fun?
Speaker 2: I love outdoor adventure, so I drove a dog sled
Speaker 2: in the Arctic, I raced in the Moroccan desert. I
Speaker 2: went to a volcano in Iceland. So I'm rich with
Speaker 2: irony where I'm the most don't die person in human history,
Speaker 2: and I also love to play in adventure.
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm going to add a three B.
Speaker 1: Do you drink coffee?
Speaker 2: I do not drink coffee.
Speaker 1: Why don't you drink coffee?
Speaker 2: My emotions and intellect now are so steady from high
Speaker 2: quality sleep and a good diet and routine exercise that
Speaker 2: anything that creates a roller coaster of change I avoid.
Speaker 2: And so I don't do caffeine. I don't do nicotine,
Speaker 2: no stimulants, and my mood is just stable all day long.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Should people avoid drinking coffee?
Speaker 2: Some people do very well with it. So I'm just
Speaker 2: sensitive to caffeine, So I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: do well. Do your thing again all my responses, do
Speaker 2: you and follow the data?
Speaker 1: Question number four. I recently invested in a company called
Speaker 1: function Health because I was upset about the idea that
Speaker 1: getting great data was hard, and I wanted to make
Speaker 1: it more accessible to lots of people, And so there
Speaker 1: are tens of thousands of people that are using Functional Health.
Speaker 1: Now I have access to two hundred data sets that
Speaker 1: they didn't have before through a blood test made really simple.
Speaker 1: What other great data tools do you believe in that
Speaker 1: you recommend to other people to get more data because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is because you just
Speaker 1: never know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we with Blueprint, we have I think the most
Speaker 2: robust measurement protocol in the world. It's blood, it's your
Speaker 2: speed of aging, eleven organ ages, full body scan, and microplastics.
Speaker 2: So it's basically a measurement profile that gives you the
Speaker 2: same value as like a twenty five thousand dollars executive
Speaker 2: physical and a fraction of the price. So we've tried
Speaker 2: to make full body measurement the most affordable and best
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: Fifth and final question we asked is to have a
Speaker 1: guest who's ever been on the show? If you could
Speaker 1: create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
Speaker 1: what would it be.
Speaker 2: To not follow laws? Ah?
Speaker 1: Which ones are? Which laws? Are you taking out all laws? Wait? Wait?
Speaker 1: How far does that? How far does that go.
Speaker 2: To reframe it from don't do to how to, So
Speaker 2: society would be instructions on how to. We would have
Speaker 2: enough alignment within us and among us that not do
Speaker 2: would be a thing of the past because we just
Speaker 2: wouldn't be motivated to do bad behaviors to Selp and others,
Speaker 2: and it would be a relic of the past that
Speaker 2: we'd be amazed looking back that humans did things that
Speaker 2: would be on that would be harmful to sell for others.
Speaker 1: You host Don't Die dinners. You've had a friend and
Speaker 1: guest of the show, Kim Kardashian at one of the dinners.
Speaker 1: What does it don't de dinner look like? What happens
Speaker 1: at these dinners?
Speaker 2: We can't tell you. Yeah, crazy things. Yeah. People who
Speaker 2: attend will say it's the most consequential conversation of their life.
Speaker 2: So we spend two hours. We do a bunch of
Speaker 2: age tests to just introduce the idea that you can
Speaker 2: measure biological age. Then we serve everybody food, and then
Speaker 2: we have a two hour discussion led by five thought experiments,
Speaker 2: and everybody participates, So everybody talks, everybody engages. I'm the moderator,
Speaker 2: and so it's very snappy, but people leave. Even years later,
Speaker 2: people still measure music. I just can't stop thinking about
Speaker 2: these ideas. So it's really a transformative time together.
Speaker 1: So you do get to eat.
Speaker 2: I don't eat everyone else my guests, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, Brian, Thank you so much for tuning in.
Speaker 1: Please recommend where our audience should find you, where you'd
Speaker 1: like them to discover your work so that they can
Speaker 1: get more day, to get more insight and transform their health.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm on all social platforms and Blueprint provides the
Speaker 2: supplements nutrition health. My endeavor is about the future of
Speaker 2: the human race. I'm trying to do a world a
Speaker 2: solid in providing every calorie, every test for the best
Speaker 2: health entire world. So if I interest you, great, If not,
Speaker 2: my objective primarily is the future of the species.
Speaker 1: Brian, thank you so much. Thanks appreciate it. If this
Speaker 1: year you're trying to live longer, live happier, live healthier,
Speaker 1: go and check out my conversation with the world's biggest
Speaker 1: longevity doctor, Peter Attia on how to slow down aging
Speaker 1: and why your emotional health is directly impacting your physical health.
Speaker 1: Acknowledge that there is surprisingly little known about the relationship
Speaker 1: between nutrition and health, and people are going to be
Speaker 1: shocked to hear that, because I think most people think
Speaker 1: the exact opposite