Speaker 1: It is Friday, March fourteenth, twenty twenty five. This is
Speaker 1: another edition of Football Today. You know my dudes, Bobby Skinner,
Speaker 1: Justin Pennock, I am Chris Rose. Producer Connor is here
Speaker 1: as well. Pennick. I'm gonna start with you. We had
Speaker 1: an episode earlier this week, and then later on the
Speaker 1: day I'm just kind of shuffling through social media and
Speaker 1: I see Bobby Skinner wish you a happy birthday. How
Speaker 1: in the world girus know that it was your birthday
Speaker 1: when we were recording that day.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a humble man, Chris Rose, so I didn't
Speaker 2: want to hop on and be like, ooh, it's good birthday. No,
Speaker 2: but I had a good day, and hey, this is
Speaker 2: a crazy week. I've accepted for the rest of my
Speaker 2: life that the new league year is gonna always kind
Speaker 2: of begin around my birthday and we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: deal with like this is a grind week, this is
Speaker 2: a work week. But I had a good day. I
Speaker 2: requested a thin chicken cutlets and mashed potatoes for dinner
Speaker 2: and I got it. And I'm my football team got better.
Speaker 2: But we're still waiting on a quarterback, which we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about Bobby.
Speaker 1: So you you gave him a salute on social media?
Speaker 1: Did you know when we were taping the show that
Speaker 1: it was his birthday?
Speaker 3: Yeah? The issue is that we were recording at like
Speaker 3: midnight the night before on Talking Giants.
Speaker 2: And then you did like a film breakdown and.
Speaker 3: I wished him a happy birthday on that. So it
Speaker 3: wasn't on the top of my head, but your fog
Speaker 3: brain and justin so humble you know how you know
Speaker 3: he's humble? He'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Usually the most humble people have to tell you
Speaker 2: that they're really humble and they work hard.
Speaker 1: That's that's the door. Well belated, what is his twenty seven? WHOA?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good, really good guess.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's pretty good. I too Remember when I
Speaker 1: was twenty Do you want to know where I was?
Speaker 3: When were you?
Speaker 2: I was about to ask what were you doing?
Speaker 1: I was a I had just gotten married a year
Speaker 1: before and was working at CNN Sports Illustrated in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: He now defunct CNN Sports Illustrated, but it became the
Speaker 1: twenty four hour news network of CNN. I was one
Speaker 1: of five new anchors brought in there. So, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a kid. It was fun. It was fun. I
Speaker 1: was around some legends of this industry. That's for another time, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Me too. I was starting the Giants Nation podcast with
Speaker 3: Danny King at twenty seven and now he works for TMZ.
Speaker 1: So how about that at a way, that's good. How
Speaker 1: old are you, Bobby thirty three? Thirty years six years ago? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: got it, got it all right. Let's we will get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback news, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff in just a bit. But we're gonna start
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys, who we haven't really talked a
Speaker 1: lot about this offseason, but things got very interesting because
Speaker 1: of a now former Dallas Cowboy, Tank Lawrence ended up
Speaker 1: taking a three year deal, I believe with the Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and then he gave out this interview.
Speaker 3: You know, Dallas is my home. I made my home there.
Speaker 3: You know, my family lives there. You know I'm ever
Speaker 3: going to be there, but you know, I know for
Speaker 3: sure I'm not gonna win a Super Bowl there. So yeah,
Speaker 3: we're here, DeMarcus Lawrence. Welcome to the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. So it got a little spicy
Speaker 1: there at the end, and you know who noticed, none
Speaker 1: other than Micah Parsons, who then went on social media
Speaker 1: and he said, that's what rejection and envy look like.
Speaker 1: This is some clown shit. Well, DeMarcus Lawrence saw that
Speaker 1: tweet and then he responded by saying, calling me a
Speaker 1: clown won't change the fact that I told the truth.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time winning,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have left.
Speaker 3: My favorite response to that was like, more time winning
Speaker 3: you were on the same team, dumbass. That was my
Speaker 3: favorite response to it. But uh, I kind of like
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons like kind of taking a jab at him, right,
Speaker 3: I'd like, let's bring back some hate and you know
Speaker 3: anger and football. All the players are buddy buddy now
Speaker 3: doing jersey swaps. I kind of like it a little bit.
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence takes a shot, Michael Parsons takes a shot back,
Speaker 3: and now we got a real robbery riaging Dallas and Seattle.
Speaker 2: Marcus Lawrence isn't wrong, though, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of Dallas fans probably not, but I think a lot
Speaker 2: of Dallas fans honestly feel the same way. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen a fan base that growing up was so kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, blinded by all you know, weed
Speaker 2: and boys, we're gonna win it this year. I think
Speaker 2: they said it for so long that now they're finally
Speaker 2: getting tired of it that I think this fan base
Speaker 2: is just stuck in purgatory of you know what, we
Speaker 2: got stars were Okay, we're decent, but we know when
Speaker 2: it all comes down to it, that we're not going
Speaker 2: to get it done. And if anything, I think this
Speaker 2: team is getting worse and is really solely carried by
Speaker 2: its stars. Were you know, a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: and hey, producer Connor and I we were even talking
Speaker 2: about that twenty fourteen Dallas teams and you know those
Speaker 2: teams of Dallas and the two twenty teens, like those
Speaker 2: were complete football teams with superstars. Now I think the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboy roster is a bad roster with stars that's
Speaker 2: going to carry them. So I don't think DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 2: is wrong, and I don't think a lot of Cowboy
Speaker 2: fans will actually disagree with them.
Speaker 1: I think it all depends on who the Giants get.
Speaker 1: A quarterback that Dallas could be staring at a fourth
Speaker 1: place season. They could end up last in that NFC East,
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't totally shock me. You know, I went
Speaker 1: through and come some of the local rags and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and some people feel like, well, they've made
Speaker 1: some decent additions with Kenneth Murray and Jack Sanborn at linebacker.
Speaker 1: I don't think those are great, great additions at all.
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams they got on a you know, a one
Speaker 1: year deal for no money and they hope that he'll
Speaker 1: hit a home run while he's gotten over eight hundred
Speaker 1: yards one time in his career and has never had
Speaker 1: more than four touchdowns in a single season. So I mean,
Speaker 1: can they add in the draft. They absolutely can't. Not
Speaker 1: only can they, they need they have to. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing is that, you know, if you're not going
Speaker 1: to go out and spend money in free agency, and
Speaker 1: I'm not full bore on doing it all the time,
Speaker 1: but the numbers over the last few years say that
Speaker 1: the team that does spend the most money in free
Speaker 1: agency will improve their win total by at least three games.
Speaker 1: That's happened over the last five or six years. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have elected pretty much to sit it out. Whether
Speaker 1: it's because they don't have the cap space or they
Speaker 1: just don't aren't interested in building a roster that way.
Speaker 1: If you want to do that, you damn well better
Speaker 1: hit on the draft. And they haven't done it well enough.
Speaker 1: And the only reason we talk about the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: is because they're the Dallas Cowboys, not because they're a
Speaker 1: significant part of the NFL puzzle.
Speaker 3: Bobby, I disagree with that last part. I mean, they've
Speaker 3: been really they've been really good and relevant. Last year,
Speaker 3: Dak got injured and then you know that that was that.
Speaker 3: You know, they end up winning what seven games last year?
Speaker 3: So like, I don't think it depends on what the like.
Speaker 3: If Dak Prescott's healthy for a full year and Ceedee
Speaker 3: Lamb is healthy for a full year, they're a team
Speaker 3: that's winning more games than they lose. And I think
Speaker 3: that's the reality.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The question with them is they do fall short in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. But the reason we judge them is not
Speaker 3: because all they just fall short in the playoffs, not
Speaker 3: because they're the Pittsburgh Steelers, but because they should be
Speaker 3: winning in the playoffs. They've had the talent to win
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Now they are entering a time where I
Speaker 3: think that roster is about as weak as its been
Speaker 3: in a long long time. So I think they are
Speaker 3: entering that era Chris Rose. But I don't think they've
Speaker 3: been that in that since they've had Deck Prescott as
Speaker 3: their quarterback.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, Maybe I'll take that back a little bit.
Speaker 1: But they also have the longest drought of appearing in
Speaker 1: an NFC title game. It had been Washington until this
Speaker 1: past season. We know that there's at least two teams
Speaker 1: better than them in their division. Right we all feel
Speaker 1: like Washington that that wasn't just a one year while
Speaker 1: it all came together.
Speaker 3: I think they could be a similar level of team
Speaker 3: next year, right, Like Washington comes down to earth a
Speaker 3: little bit. But Jaden Daniels, I think is amazing. But
Speaker 3: they Washington. I love the way they've built the team.
Speaker 3: They still do have a lot of holes and that team.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that they're worse than Dallas Cowboys to.
Speaker 3: Me either, But I'm saying I don't think they're like
Speaker 3: levels apart of just like talent on their offter.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, so is it just it's only going
Speaker 1: to get better when Jerry Jones isn't in the picture.
Speaker 1: I mean, is this what it's come down to with
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys or is there a way to solve
Speaker 1: this panic?
Speaker 2: No, I think And again, you know, I have some
Speaker 2: friends that are Cowboy fans, So that's how I like
Speaker 2: to stay connected. You know, you get the pulse of
Speaker 2: the fan base, right And I think they feel like
Speaker 2: Stephen Jones is going to keep things kind of status quo,
Speaker 2: and they're I think philosophically Stephen Jones is kind of
Speaker 2: running things in Dallas along with Jerry. But I think
Speaker 2: the decisions in free agency to how to attack things
Speaker 2: philosophically that I still think is is Stephen Jones. Now,
Speaker 2: I think they draft very well. That's not a that's
Speaker 2: not a question. But for again, for a team that
Speaker 2: should be all in, for a team that it's called
Speaker 2: America's team, you know, a team that honestly like gets
Speaker 2: comparisons to like the New York Yankees, that there's similar
Speaker 2: shared fan bases there, Like you know, at least the
Speaker 2: Yankees go out and they spend money and they try,
Speaker 2: and Jerry Jones talks a big game like he wants
Speaker 2: to go out there and spend and try, and he
Speaker 2: does spend on his own dudes. But also it goes
Speaker 2: against him because he waits until the last minute to
Speaker 2: pay these players, and that's why they have to get
Speaker 2: paid more and more money, and and they reset all
Speaker 2: these markets. Because you should be extending Michael Parsons right now.
Speaker 2: You should be You should have extended Ceede Lamb two
Speaker 2: years ago. The Dak Prescott deal should have been done
Speaker 2: two years ago. So talk a big game, but I
Speaker 2: feel like they just really don't back it up.
Speaker 3: And that's where they get in trouble is because they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't stay ahead of the game with like again,
Speaker 3: it's if we're talking about some middle of the road
Speaker 3: player and extending them and you don't get it done
Speaker 3: right away. It's understandable with Micah Parsons, with Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 3: If you knew you were going to keep Dak not
Speaker 3: doing all this stuff early, all it does is hurt you.
Speaker 3: And now it hurts them in free agency where they
Speaker 3: feel like they can't go make a couple of nice
Speaker 3: moves right No one's know what, Like you said, Rosen,
Speaker 3: anyone's expecting them to go all in on free agency
Speaker 3: and spend the most money. But you can do a
Speaker 3: couple of things per year instead of just averaging bad players,
Speaker 3: which is what they've what they've done over the last
Speaker 3: couple of years.
Speaker 1: Where did Dallas Cowboys finish this year? I know the
Speaker 1: rosters aren't complete. We still have the draft coming up
Speaker 1: in about five weeks. Where do you guys feel about
Speaker 1: this team?
Speaker 3: If Dak stays healthy, I think they'll be the six
Speaker 3: or seven seed in the NFC.
Speaker 1: Well you think they're going to be that good?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean anytime Dak has been healthy, they've been
Speaker 3: a playoff team.
Speaker 2: I think they get six wins is the floor, and
Speaker 2: I think nine wins is the ceiling which that could
Speaker 2: get that could get into No. Nine wins can get
Speaker 2: into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that they're better than the two
Speaker 1: teams that finished ahead them in the NFC East last year.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a team from the South. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there will be a second there's you know,
Speaker 1: I think the Niners, whom will discuss in a bit,
Speaker 1: are kind of a little bit of the wild card,
Speaker 1: if you will. And then we got you know, who
Speaker 1: knows what Chicago's going to be in that NFC North.
Speaker 1: But they've got some monsters in that division, right, all
Speaker 1: four teams, Yeah, all four teams. You could make you
Speaker 1: could make us a case for I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think Dallas is yeah, seven eight nine, depending on
Speaker 1: how the draft shakes out and what sort of participation
Speaker 1: everybody gets from a rookie class. But they're just they
Speaker 1: just feel like another team and they I do feel
Speaker 1: like we're gonna be talking a lot about them this
Speaker 1: year just because they got a star on the side
Speaker 1: of their helmet, and that is a bad place to
Speaker 1: be that they're just talking about you because people feel
Speaker 1: like the brand needs to be talked about.
Speaker 3: They probably are just another team, but I think just
Speaker 3: being another team in the NFC when you have Dak
Speaker 3: Prescotch or QB gets in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their stars are really good.
Speaker 3: Let's go. I mean, Commanders, Eagles playoffs. Lions, Vikings are
Speaker 3: you know, not locks, but we feel good that they'll be. Actually,
Speaker 3: you know what, Vikings aren't even a lock. We don't
Speaker 3: even know who they're gonna be playing a quarterback. Lions
Speaker 3: are a lock. Let's just say two from the NFC
Speaker 3: North are a lock between Vikings and Packers. Four one
Speaker 3: from the NSC South. Five one from the NFC West six,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. I can see very easily being that seventeen.
Speaker 3: And then some quarterback gets injured, like Dallas's quarterback got
Speaker 3: injured and falls out, like it's just the way it goes.
Speaker 1: So I've had you are a very optimistic optimized.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like that's if you have Dak Prescott
Speaker 3: and Ceedee Lamb and Michael Parsons. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: that's a low bar to reach.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the quarterback situation. Russell Wilson was
Speaker 1: in Cleveland on Thursday. He's in New Jersey with the
Speaker 1: Giants on Friday. Everybody, it seems like he's waiting on
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, who might still be roaming the beach in Malibu,
Speaker 1: although I doubt it because the weather's been so poor.
Speaker 1: So if so, that blanket over his head is probably
Speaker 1: be very damp. At this point, you know, he hasn't
Speaker 1: had any huge contact. It sounds like with a lot
Speaker 1: of these teams that have availabilities, whether that is indeed
Speaker 1: the Giants or the Steelers, or we keep hearing rumblings
Speaker 1: about the Minnesota Vikings. What aspect of this are you
Speaker 1: most interested in? Bobby Skinner with Rogers.
Speaker 3: I'm more interested in the domino effect as long as
Speaker 3: if he goes to Minnesota, then I actually think Minnesota
Speaker 3: is a legit contender. But I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're all assuming he goes to Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: but we also don't know what he's thinking. It's just
Speaker 3: the domino effect. Does that lead to Russell Wilson to
Speaker 3: the Giants? Do do the Giants get ahead of this
Speaker 3: and realize they're not getting Aaron Rodgers and signed Russell Wilson,
Speaker 3: you know, late later today when this episode is out,
Speaker 3: where does Joe Flacco? And like, I think it's more
Speaker 3: so the domino effect of once he's signed with most
Speaker 3: likely the Steelers, and what happens, but it will be
Speaker 3: again him with the Steelers I think is pretty like
Speaker 3: that may not go really well, right Like George Pickens
Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers, I do not think is a great match.
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf's a really good wide receiver, but we don't
Speaker 3: we don't view him as like the change your team
Speaker 3: type of wide receiver. One. You know, he's worse than
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, who was with the Jets, last year, and hell,
Speaker 3: he's worse than DeVonta Adams I think at this point
Speaker 3: as well too, but probably similar tier. But DeVonta Adams
Speaker 3: fits what Rogers wants better. And then you know they're
Speaker 3: asking a lot of young offensive linemen to, you know,
Speaker 3: to grow up real quick. Like, I don't think it's
Speaker 3: this great situation in Pittsburgh. I think he's just stability
Speaker 3: with Mike Tomlin in that defense.
Speaker 2: Rose, what's your take on the timing of this, because, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, as as a fan that possibly wanted Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers to join my team, and it's the reality's kind
Speaker 2: of set in that that probably won't happen. Like I
Speaker 2: do think he's going to go to Pittsburgh or he's
Speaker 2: just waiting for Minnesota to to accept him. I thought
Speaker 2: that maybe, you know, hey, after the disastrous two years
Speaker 2: that was, and maybe he would look at himself in
Speaker 2: the mirror and be like, you know what, making things
Speaker 2: about me was maybe part of the reason why the
Speaker 2: last two years have been disastrous, So maybe I'll be
Speaker 2: a little bit more quiet and do things a little
Speaker 2: bit more conventional. Shame on me for thinking that that
Speaker 2: may happen. I mean, he's been allowed to talk to
Speaker 2: teams for I think basically the last two weeks. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just the beginning of the new league year or
Speaker 2: you know, the beginning of the tampering period. The Jets
Speaker 2: gave him permission to talk to teams last two weeks.
Speaker 2: So what is your take on the timing of this,
Speaker 2: Because even guys like Rapaport and Schefter scene really bothered
Speaker 2: by it.
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered by it. He can make whatever he's
Speaker 1: earned that whatever decision he wants to make. This is
Speaker 1: it's almost a little bit like parenting, where the organizations
Speaker 1: take on the role of being parents and you have
Speaker 1: to set ultimatum. Sometimes I would say, hey, Aaron, we
Speaker 1: would love to have you here. We think you are
Speaker 1: a difference maker. We think you can set this building
Speaker 1: the right direction, or if you're the Steeler who don't
Speaker 1: need to be sent in the right direction, but rather
Speaker 1: we think you are the missing piece to us getting
Speaker 1: back in the playoff win column and then we'll all
Speaker 1: go on this amazing journey together. But I would say, hey,
Speaker 1: we understand that maybe you're not ready to make a decision,
Speaker 1: but we have to be ready, and I hope you
Speaker 1: respect that and if you're not ready, that's okay, but
Speaker 1: we just have to move on like that. You have
Speaker 1: to do that. Could you imagine if Aaron Rodgers three
Speaker 1: weeks from today decides that he doesn't want to play
Speaker 1: football anymore and this and Russell Wilson has signed elsewhere, Well,
Speaker 1: what's the Steelers option? What do the Steelers do? Where? Literally,
Speaker 1: where would they turn?
Speaker 2: I don't think they have a quarterback on the rush
Speaker 2: right now? They just oh, congratulations, is.
Speaker 1: Duck Hodges around still? I mean, but that's my point.
Speaker 1: Literally this you can't not I mean, I suppose you
Speaker 1: could try and figure out how to get Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: to town. I mean you might have to trade up
Speaker 1: to go get it.
Speaker 3: I know. No, I just don't get it out there right.
Speaker 1: But do you understand what I'm saying is that these
Speaker 1: teams have to take a stance at some point, and
Speaker 1: if they're going to play the waiting game, that it's
Speaker 1: not even the perfect situation. If he does walk through
Speaker 1: your doors, you have to be honest with yourself if
Speaker 1: you're the Steelers, like the cell job to Rogers is
Speaker 1: we think you're the missing piece behind closed doors. You
Speaker 1: might look at the film and say, eh, we're probably
Speaker 1: in the same position we were last year, you know
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: And this is a key part of this too, because
Speaker 3: with Rogers you get a lot of baggage. And this
Speaker 3: is where you know, we'd sat on talking Giants this morning,
Speaker 3: it's like, damn it, we got the fell for it
Speaker 3: again award where we're like, you know, you think as
Speaker 3: a reasonable person, right, like, oh lot, how the Jets
Speaker 3: went is probably a little bit of a humbling experience
Speaker 3: for Aaron Rodgers, right, and it may change his approach
Speaker 3: on his you know, as he turns forty one years
Speaker 3: old and he's on a new team or something like that,
Speaker 3: it's like nope, no, but it hasn't right. Why did
Speaker 3: you fall for it again? Why would you think that
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers has has changed in that? And part of
Speaker 3: bringing him in for this this era, if you're the
Speaker 3: Steelers of the Giants, is not giving him control over
Speaker 3: what he wants uh with with stuff like it's he's
Speaker 3: got to kind of buy into what you're doing. And
Speaker 3: I don't think that you're getting that, so to be
Speaker 3: desperate for that, and like you said, Rose where I
Speaker 3: don't think he played great ball last year. I know,
Speaker 3: the touchdown the interception ratio is nice, but there's some
Speaker 3: you know, there is some bad ball on film last
Speaker 3: year for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: If I were like you said, Rose, if I were
Speaker 3: one of these seas, They're like, allright, like, we need
Speaker 3: the decision by the end of the day. Right. If
Speaker 3: you don't want to pick us and that turns you
Speaker 3: off from us, fine, but we need to We need
Speaker 3: to have a quarterback for next year, and we can't
Speaker 3: afford to have guys walk elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask this number one, if Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers goes to Pittsburgh, how much of an upgrade is
Speaker 1: that over the quarterback play they had last year.
Speaker 3: I think it's a pretty decent upgrade. And then when
Speaker 3: you when you consider the fact that DK metcalf is
Speaker 3: there as well too. We'll see how they add. You
Speaker 3: know that they can add a nice you know, slot
Speaker 3: receiver to go with them. Pick the Pickens thing is
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna be really interesting to see how that
Speaker 3: relationship would go. But none. Nonetheless, he's really talented and
Speaker 3: Rogers can get him the ball.
Speaker 1: Okay, if if Rogers elects to go elsewhere, or wants
Speaker 1: to retire. What should the Steelers do, Pennic, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Cousins, the pivot would have to be no working something
Speaker 2: at what else.
Speaker 3: That means flat though, I think Mason Rudolph would be
Speaker 3: a better option than Kirk Cousins at this point. What
Speaker 3: did you see Kirk Cousins at the end of the
Speaker 3: day last year?
Speaker 1: I did, I did, And he claims that he was
Speaker 1: injured even though he was not on the injury report.
Speaker 3: Sure, but that's a that's a big chance to take that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's flashbacks of Matt Ryan with the Colts, like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's not washed, you know, and as he gets to Indianapolis,
Speaker 3: and he is one hundred percent washed, Like, I'm not
Speaker 3: taking that chance for Kirk Cousins as And again, I
Speaker 3: guess you could bring in Kirk Cousins and you still
Speaker 3: have Mason Rudolph on the team. But yeah, there's no
Speaker 3: good answers. I think this is one of the partest
Speaker 3: things about talking about NFL and stuff is sometimes sometimes
Speaker 3: it's hard to admit that there's not a great answer
Speaker 3: at the quarterback spot. Right well, you know, we're going
Speaker 3: through this right now for the Giants. I don't believe
Speaker 3: Shordas Sanders is worth a third overall pick. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: what do you do? How do you get a quarterback next? Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't I cannot tell you. I
Speaker 3: don't have this perfect plan. You have to get lucky
Speaker 3: at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you do because there's not thirty two dudes walking
Speaker 1: the earth that can do this. That is amazing that
Speaker 1: out of the three hundred and thirty gazillion people there
Speaker 1: are on this planet, that there aren't thirty two who
Speaker 1: can do this at an amazing rate. And I suppose
Speaker 1: the question is how did the Steelers get to this point?
Speaker 1: Is it strictly because they put all of their financials
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football, and that they
Speaker 1: didn't draft a quarterback the last few years of Ben's tenure.
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and look and see which
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were available. I mean, I hate doing the revisionist
Speaker 1: history that, well, look at the number of teams that
Speaker 1: passed on this guy, and they like that that sorts out.
Speaker 1: We're talking about realistically, Like remember, the.
Speaker 3: Only one I could think of is Jordan Love.
Speaker 2: Or even like well, you know, they even passed up
Speaker 2: well Jordan loved that was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: But even like Will Levis, but you're not gonna you're
Speaker 2: you're not losing sleepover passing on him. They've they win
Speaker 2: too many games. They haven't had one year like at
Speaker 2: least the Colts. The Colts had that one year where
Speaker 2: they sucked and they took Anthony Rigson, you know, and
Speaker 2: you know that hasn't really worked out for them, but
Speaker 2: at least they took somebody that that they want to
Speaker 2: believe in and the But the Steelers haven't had that opportunity.
Speaker 2: And the only year that they had an opportunity to
Speaker 2: do so was when Kenny Pickett was the first quarterback
Speaker 2: taken in a draft.
Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest, how many teams I can only
Speaker 1: think of the Kansas City Chiefs that have taken a huge,
Speaker 1: huge swing. Who traded up from twenty seven where they
Speaker 1: were a playoff team all the way to ten to
Speaker 1: go get Patrick Mahomes. Right, they could have continued on
Speaker 1: with Alex Smith as their guy moving forward, they went
Speaker 1: for the big probably the biggest move that I can
Speaker 1: remember ever in terms of going after a quarterback and
Speaker 1: going to get him. You know how hard it is
Speaker 1: to move up seventeen spots. That is not an easy
Speaker 1: thing to do, particularly when you already are a playoff
Speaker 1: team and you're like, wait a second, we're going for
Speaker 1: some guy who runs this crazy offense and doesn't even
Speaker 1: have a winning record in college. But man, they had
Speaker 1: the foresight, like the Steelers never had that, and they
Speaker 1: weren't willing to do it because they didn't want to
Speaker 1: ruffle the feathers of Ben Roethlisberger. They've been too afraid
Speaker 1: to say anything. How crazy is it that this big,
Speaker 1: bad organization known as the Pittsburgh Steelers have handled the
Speaker 1: quarterback solution quiz this poorly?
Speaker 3: Yeah again, like you said, I don't think there's been
Speaker 3: an aggressive move up like the Mahomes saying. The only
Speaker 3: thing I think it was Wentz to the Eagles trading
Speaker 3: off for Carson Wentz. I think they traded up from
Speaker 3: like sixteen or seventeen to two. Yeah, they went middle
Speaker 3: of the first round, you know, the RG three trade.
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to think of, there hasn't been that again.
Speaker 3: So that's why, as much as it's got to be
Speaker 3: so fair, Hey, I'm living in it. Right now. It's frustrating, right,
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, but what are the offer? At
Speaker 3: least with the Giants. We can go back and look
Speaker 3: at twenty twenty. It's like, yeah, Justin Herbert was looking
Speaker 3: us right in the face. Could have could have just
Speaker 3: quit on Daniel Jones after his rookie year and did that.
Speaker 3: You know, I know people will lose used last year.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. Like, it's just it's unfortunately.
Speaker 3: You have to get somewhat lucky, right, Like the Cincinnati
Speaker 3: Bengals are lucky that with Andy Dalton, their their worst
Speaker 3: year was the year Joe Burrow came out right, Like
Speaker 3: they were paying Andy Dalton, right, the Chargers were paying
Speaker 3: Philip Rivers when they got Justin Herbert. Lamar Jackson. I
Speaker 3: guess Lamar Jackson is the other answer, Rose, But Big
Speaker 3: Ben was still playing Riddy damn good ball at that
Speaker 3: at that point, and they were the Steelers were a
Speaker 3: really good team, So I guess Lamar Jackson would be
Speaker 3: the other answer. But it's just it's hard, it's really hard.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's not it's you have to get lucky.
Speaker 3: And you know, the Giants. If the Giants won three
Speaker 3: games last year, they would have had, you know, either
Speaker 3: Drake may or Jaden Daniels. They win three games this
Speaker 3: year and they're picking third.
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I think about it all the time.
Speaker 1: One last quarterback point. I think it's an important one.
Speaker 1: You were basically screaming at the Vikings. Hey, JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 1: you traded up for him, this is your guy, goes
Speaker 1: start him. I've had a couple of days to sit
Speaker 1: here and think about it. Is it really fair, particularly
Speaker 1: with what they have now done in free agency and
Speaker 1: adding some veteran good, good players along the defensive line
Speaker 1: and you know, offensive line as well, Like they feel
Speaker 1: like a pretty complete team to give it over to
Speaker 1: a very young quarterback who we don't know if he
Speaker 1: can play at this level. Is it irresponsible to not
Speaker 1: at least really strongly consider bringing Aaron Rodgers in the building.
Speaker 3: Then my question is why did you trade up for
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, Because I don't think you had that much
Speaker 3: faith in him.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that these are separate issues. To me,
Speaker 1: they really are, because I don't think they expected to
Speaker 1: be as good as they were last year with Sam Darnold,
Speaker 1: and they were. They were, They were this close to
Speaker 1: be in the one seed in the NFC, right right,
Speaker 1: they lose that Sunday night football game at Detroit or else,
Speaker 1: they would have been the one seed. So this team
Speaker 1: feels pretty complete, doesn't it. Panic Why in the world
Speaker 1: would you turn the keys over to a kid that's
Speaker 1: twenty two and look like you it was three pounds
Speaker 1: the last time we saw him.
Speaker 2: Well, and again, I because you traded up for him,
Speaker 2: which I took him in the first rounds.
Speaker 3: That's why that's taking a lot of conviction to do.
Speaker 2: Because you have conviction because you had conviction to take
Speaker 2: him in the in the first place. And you know
Speaker 2: you bringing Aaron Rodgers and probably Aaron Rodgers isn't I'm
Speaker 2: not going to play bad enough where he is going
Speaker 2: to be benched on the Minnesota Vikings. So then you're
Speaker 2: talking about, well, when when do you actually turn to
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, which I guess, hey, year three. It's not
Speaker 2: it's not unheard of to, you know, in today's NFL,
Speaker 2: to now give the reins over to a quarterback in
Speaker 2: year three and then hey, he'll still be I think,
Speaker 2: like twenty three years old. And it's not like we're
Speaker 2: talking about a guy that's twenty five, twenty six, so
Speaker 2: it's not unheard of, but it's if you had such
Speaker 2: a belief that they even had that second first round
Speaker 2: pick that they wound up taking Dallas Turner with they
Speaker 2: had that as ammo because they were even willing to
Speaker 2: move up further if they felt like they needed to
Speaker 2: do that to get JJ McCarthy. That's at least my
Speaker 2: running theory, and I think a lot of people would
Speaker 2: agree with that. So if you have that conviction to
Speaker 2: even trade up twice for him, then maybe there gets
Speaker 2: to a point where maybe you should play them. But
Speaker 2: if they're having conversations in the building about, hey, we
Speaker 2: don't trust this kid to play, then Rogers would make sense.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that they're a super
Speaker 1: Bowl contender if they sign Aaron Rodgers right now? Bobby?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that team is that team is
Speaker 3: so good? Then why wouldn't you do it? You can't
Speaker 3: just say because if you if you spot okay, But
Speaker 3: here's it. And again I'm not saying they shouldn't do
Speaker 3: it because I don't. I if I if I took
Speaker 3: over the GM job right now, I think I'd be
Speaker 3: in on Aaron Rodgers for them, But if they to
Speaker 3: trade up in the first round for a quarterback, it
Speaker 3: takes a lot of conviction. So if you have that conviction,
Speaker 3: why don't you think that you're opening up a super
Speaker 3: Bowl window between in the next year to three years
Speaker 3: with that quarterback?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You drafted him to take you to the super Bowl,
Speaker 3: not to be an average quarterback. So but if even
Speaker 3: if he's an above average quarterback, like that system is sick.
Speaker 3: It's the easiest, it's it's the it's one of the
Speaker 3: easiest landing spots I've ever seen for a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 3: So if you believed in him, then he should make
Speaker 3: you super Bowl contender. Okay, because Aaron Rodgers is not
Speaker 3: what he once was either, but we think he's better
Speaker 3: than JJ McCarthy right now?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Shouldn't that be the question? Because you do have five
Speaker 1: years if you want to exercise a guy's option. The
Speaker 1: Packers didn't know what they had on Jordan Love until
Speaker 1: he started year four of his contract year four, So
Speaker 1: why not make JJ McCarthy wait one more year and
Speaker 1: then we'll deal with it from there. And if Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers doesn't take us to the promised land so be it.
Speaker 1: But this is an organization that hasn't been to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl since losing Super Bowl eleven. They've never won
Speaker 1: one of these things, So why wouldn't you.
Speaker 3: Don't you have because I don't think Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 3: at the MVP level quarterback that he once was. Right
Speaker 3: but he we're not saying it's because Aaron Rodgers doesn't
Speaker 3: make the Steelers a super Bowl contender. He makes the Vikings,
Speaker 3: who you said like, we're so close because of how
Speaker 3: good that team is, take the next step. So why
Speaker 3: not show some faith in that young quarterback and put
Speaker 3: him in the easiest landing spot of all time and
Speaker 3: hope that you are developing for Super Bowl within the
Speaker 3: next three years with that roster and your quarterback on
Speaker 3: a cheap contract.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't feel like I thought
Speaker 1: like there was a huge gap between Drake may who
Speaker 1: went third and JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3: Who was I'm on the same page as you, But.
Speaker 1: So if that's the if that's the point, I still
Speaker 1: have faith more faith in forty one year old Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers that he could get the Vikings point in the
Speaker 1: right direction. In twenty twenty five. Then JJ McCarthy, whom
Speaker 1: I don't know what the NFL skill set looks like.
Speaker 3: Okay, but what if they drafted Michael Pennix and he
Speaker 3: had the three games that he had last year where
Speaker 3: it's like there's a lot of misthrows but some really
Speaker 3: good flashes in there. Are we having the same conversation
Speaker 3: or is it simply just because JJ McCarthy was injured?
Speaker 1: But that's where we are.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, would Michael Penix's three games be enough
Speaker 3: to stop you from doing Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 1: No, because I don't think all.
Speaker 3: Right, then okay, now okay, then then no.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also don't think that the Falcons are
Speaker 1: anywhere close to what the Vikings are. So I'm really know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. If the Vikings drafted Michael Pennix.
Speaker 1: I get it. But all I'm saying is is that
Speaker 1: if the if Michael Pennix was in the same sit
Speaker 1: situation and with that team, yeah, I would want to
Speaker 1: go get somebody that I felt like I definitely knew
Speaker 1: what I had at quarterback or at least had a
Speaker 1: better grasp of it, even if he is for.
Speaker 2: Gain.
Speaker 3: If Matthew Stafford was available. Then I'm I'm I'm probably
Speaker 3: on the same page as you, Rose, but I just
Speaker 3: I don't think Rogers is the MVP form of himself.
Speaker 2: And we also we also just spent part of the
Speaker 2: show talking about how, you know, at least I thought,
Speaker 2: and you know, foolishly thought that Aaron Rodgers may humble
Speaker 2: himself a little bit after after after the last two years,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe a minute, maybe that's part of
Speaker 2: Minnesota's decision making, is Okay, is this guy gonna come
Speaker 2: in here, Is this guy gonna come in here and
Speaker 2: be a saint simply because we have a really good
Speaker 2: head coach and a really good surrounding cast. Is like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, maybe maybe that's part of their thought process
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe all right, let's move on. Some feel that after
Speaker 1: free age see that the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 1: are no longer a true contender in the NFC. Bobby,
Speaker 1: are you one of those people? Long pause?
Speaker 3: Because they're not my favorite and they're not even my
Speaker 3: top three for favorite, and they again they lost hard
Speaker 3: Graves since the last time we had this conversation, rose
Speaker 3: to various wars goes to the Colts. I don't think
Speaker 3: they're out of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: I'll say this, they're my NFC West pick next year,
Speaker 3: most likely.
Speaker 1: Over the Rams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not. Again, it's basing a lot of on health,
Speaker 3: but the RAMS is based on a lot on health
Speaker 3: as well too. Puka's gotten hurt, Stafford's gotten hurt before
Speaker 3: and again I love the Rams, but the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers are still extremely talented, and they've drafted well, and
Speaker 3: they have young players who showed some promise, and they'll
Speaker 3: probably drafted well again this year. I know everything went
Speaker 3: to shit last year. And maybe this is all based
Speaker 3: on how healthy is Christian McCaffrey. Yes, and maybe I
Speaker 3: can leave in that, you know, antidotes like if Christian
Speaker 3: mccathy is healthy, then yes, if he's not then no.
Speaker 3: But they're still an extremely talented team. They have all
Speaker 3: pros all over the field.
Speaker 1: So I would say this for people that have kind
Speaker 1: of lost track. They lost Trevarius Ward, Floyd Collins, Hargrave,
Speaker 1: all from that front line, dra Greenlaw, Hufunga, who's obviously
Speaker 1: had his injury issues. Same with Greenlaw in recent years.
Speaker 1: Used check they're getting rid of as well. They did
Speaker 1: bring in Pinnick and Grant to kind of help in
Speaker 1: the secondary a little bit on the back end. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Robinson I thought was, you know, he's been a touchdown
Speaker 1: machine for the Rams, so that gives him, Pierce All,
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings, Robinson. They'll probably get some sort of receiver
Speaker 1: in this draft. So you mentioned about the importance of
Speaker 1: this draft. They've got eight picks in the first four rounds.
Speaker 1: They've got two in the third, two and the fourth
Speaker 1: to go along with a first and a second. Last
Speaker 1: year's draft class was really really good. I thought, Pierce All,
Speaker 1: we know what happened with him with the shooting, but
Speaker 1: then back half of the year when he got active,
Speaker 1: particularly the last third of the year, really played well.
Speaker 1: Pooney good on the offensive line. Mustafa is going to
Speaker 1: slide in for Ufonga. Isaac Garrendo, I thought, gave them
Speaker 1: some nice bursts and is a really speedy player. He's
Speaker 1: going to take on more of a a I think,
Speaker 1: a bigger role behind Christian McCaffrey this year. But the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three draft outside of Jayor Brown, nothing. The
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two draft they got their quarterback, but that
Speaker 1: was it, so they really haven't gotten these depth pieces
Speaker 1: that you need. He's exodus like they have had right now.
Speaker 1: So I think it's really incumbent on some guys who
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't think would be there and have to
Speaker 1: help out to do something this year. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm kind of they feel like an eight win team
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Pennic, Yeah, I am a little bit lukewarm on the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, but I'm I'm holding out a good
Speaker 2: amount of hope because if we really like this year's
Speaker 2: draft class, five picks inside the top one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirteen and I think they have a total of twelve rows.
Speaker 2: You might have already said that. Here are the top
Speaker 2: five teams and explosive pass plays last year, going from
Speaker 2: five to one. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Green Bay
Speaker 2: Packers at four, the Lions at three, the Vikings at two,
Speaker 2: and surprisingly enough, it is the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 2: Ers at one. And I really do think that that
Speaker 2: pass offense, that passing offense is impacted when Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 2: went out, because I think he does add more than
Speaker 2: any other running back in the NFL. I think he
Speaker 2: adds the threat of receiving and I think Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 2: knows exactly how to use Christian McCaffrey in the receiving game.
Speaker 2: And I think the overall passing offense for the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers did suffer last year, but explosivity wise, they
Speaker 2: still produced a lot of explosive plays. And really, I
Speaker 2: still think this is a top ten offense because you
Speaker 2: have Kyle Shanahan. I think brock Party has taken steps up,
Speaker 2: even though he gets criticized. You know, I yok as good,
Speaker 2: Piercel's gonna helfully. You still have kittle offensive line is
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan knows how to scheme pass an offensive line
Speaker 2: that may have some deficiency issues. So I'm not worried
Speaker 2: about the offense. What I am worried about is this
Speaker 2: defense and a lack of defensive identity. Now I am
Speaker 2: so glad that Robert Sola is back because I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna bring an identity and I think he's, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the best defensive minds in football. But that
Speaker 2: talent there, like if you tour Gross Mantos is our
Speaker 2: number two edge across from Nick Bosa, I'm not loving that.
Speaker 2: Hopefully Drake Jackson gets healthy, stays healthy, takes some steps up.
Speaker 2: That's a player I like. But you just look up
Speaker 2: and down this front, and besides Nick Bosa, there's not
Speaker 2: really a name that you know, you want to go
Speaker 2: to him, like, yeah, that's that's like a dude. That's
Speaker 2: a guy that can really kind of take them places.
Speaker 2: So they need to get an identity that they had
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two when Nick Bosa won that
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year, But there were other dudes
Speaker 2: on that defense that helped make that work. Offensively, they
Speaker 2: are going to be fine defensively. You got to get
Speaker 2: back to being close to top ten because if you're
Speaker 2: below average, the forty nine ers are just going.
Speaker 3: To be a middling team. How important is the addition
Speaker 3: of Robert Sola to that defense.
Speaker 2: It's huge. I think it's their biggest offseason uprade so far.
Speaker 3: Yep. And also I think those are names that they
Speaker 3: lost on the front. I don't think those names were
Speaker 3: necessarily living up to their names, you know, with Leonard
Speaker 3: Floyd and Javon Hargrave, not at all.
Speaker 1: No, And when you release guys in their thirties, I
Speaker 1: can live with that. It's like the Dray Green Laws
Speaker 1: of the world. Right, who's still I think twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old. And I understand it to the you know,
Speaker 1: the standpoint of the injury. But man, when you had
Speaker 1: and Fred Warner, I mean, that's that's as good a
Speaker 1: group in the middle as you can get. We'll see
Speaker 1: where they go. So green Law has a new home.
Speaker 1: It's Denver. I think we all are in agreement that
Speaker 1: we like what they have done so far in free
Speaker 1: agency with their offseason. Is it now enough to push
Speaker 1: Kansas City atop the AFC West panic you can start
Speaker 1: with this one.
Speaker 2: I think the talent is closer for sure. I mean
Speaker 2: the Broncos defense was better than the Chiefs last year.
Speaker 2: What what's going to really bridge the gap between Denver
Speaker 2: and Kansas City isn't necessarily the roster. It's honestly, like
Speaker 2: we got a way for Kansas City to stop winning
Speaker 2: so many freaking games, and like, is the pendulum eventually
Speaker 2: going to swing the other way where the Kansas City
Speaker 2: Chiefs start losing these one score games? And if that
Speaker 2: answer is yes, then hey, I think the Broncos, if
Speaker 2: they add more dynamic weapons, I think they need to
Speaker 2: add more speed. I for how good that offensive line is,
Speaker 2: I do think that passing game should be a little
Speaker 2: bit better, should take steps up. It really took a
Speaker 2: big step up in the second half of the year.
Speaker 2: I think their running game should be dynamic, and they
Speaker 2: need to add a little bit more of a dynamic runner.
Speaker 2: It's a very good running back draft, and I think
Speaker 2: that's where Sean pay It's going to look. I actually
Speaker 2: really love the addition of Evan Ingram adding speed at
Speaker 2: that tight end. Don't ask him to block.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to increase the run game, and then
Speaker 3: then now you're starting tight end well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and that's and that's the worry of
Speaker 2: adding a guy like Evin Ingram is how how much
Speaker 2: is it going to impact that? And you know, you
Speaker 2: just signed a guy for a lot of money and
Speaker 2: you may only have him on the field for X
Speaker 2: amount of percentage of snaps. But for me, it's Kansas
Speaker 2: City needs to start losing games if we're going to
Speaker 2: start bridging this gap between between the two, because I
Speaker 2: think on paper they're getting there, but Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 2: Andy Reid are always going to take the Chiefs places.
Speaker 3: Also, the Chargers are in this conversation too. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know we're there, you know the Broncos. Damian finished
Speaker 3: second place in the division last year, so that defense
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for it. Defense is it's just hard
Speaker 3: to have the number one defense two years in a row.
Speaker 3: It's just for some reason, no matter what you keep together,
Speaker 3: it's just defenses seem to not have the same consistency
Speaker 3: that offense has because you don't have that one position
Speaker 3: like a quarterback that holds you afloat. I think the
Speaker 3: Chargers so I don't think they've bridged it. Hey, if
Speaker 3: bo Nicks is real deal and takes more steps forward
Speaker 3: than then yeah, absolutely. But I think this division is
Speaker 3: low key tough. Now that you add Geno Smith into
Speaker 3: the conversation with the Raiders, they can win on any
Speaker 3: given Sunday, where they really weren't in that conversation last year.
Speaker 3: That the Patrick Mahomes part of this just they're going
Speaker 3: to rise to the top from this division at the
Speaker 3: end of the day.
Speaker 1: I think Denver's right there. I really believe it. I
Speaker 1: will tip my cap to Sean Payton and the job
Speaker 1: he did with bo Nicks because I thought he was
Speaker 1: way better than I anticipated. I thought his ability to
Speaker 1: throw the ball down field when asked to superseded any
Speaker 1: of my thought process going into last year. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys ripped on Evan Ingram, and you know you
Speaker 1: guys see him as this twenty year old you draft
Speaker 1: out of Old miss And yes, he's not a run blocker,
Speaker 1: but the Broncos had major tight end deficiencies in the
Speaker 1: catch game, and few tight ends do a better job
Speaker 1: of converting third downs for first downs than Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1: Only the Giants and Cowboys had fewer red zone targets
Speaker 1: toward their tight end than the Denver Broncos last year,
Speaker 1: so that's going to change as well. So this is
Speaker 1: a This was a strategic move by them, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of mock drafts had them getting Colston
Speaker 1: Lovelin with the twentieth pick this year, the tight end
Speaker 1: out of Michigan. This frees them up if somehow gent
Speaker 1: falls which I don't think he'll follow the way would,
Speaker 1: or if they feel like Overton is the right kid
Speaker 1: out of North Carolina, or if they want to trade
Speaker 1: back and get an extra pick or two. I mean
Speaker 1: like they're in good, good shape. I like what Day've
Speaker 1: done this offseason more than I have the Chargers, which
Speaker 1: is why I didn't throw them in the question here.
Speaker 2: I've liked their offseason better, better than the Chargers too.
Speaker 2: I mean the Chargers have had more volume, but like
Speaker 2: you know, some of them, like you know, I don't
Speaker 2: like some of the receivers they've brought in. I don't
Speaker 2: really I don't love Najie Harris. I thought they would
Speaker 2: bring in somebody a little bit more dynamic. But we'll see.
Speaker 2: There's there's still the draft left, and we're probably gonna
Speaker 2: love the Chargers shrift.
Speaker 1: Okay, before we get out of here, there's still some
Speaker 1: big names out there. Uh in free agency? Who is
Speaker 1: the one guy that you're surprised is still available and
Speaker 1: make a case for him?
Speaker 3: Bobby Amari Cooper. I figured that there would be some
Speaker 3: contending team that would say, hey, he had a lot
Speaker 3: of drops in Cleveland. He got thrown in the Buffalo
Speaker 3: late in the mix, but I mean he was you know,
Speaker 3: we're one year off of him being off back to back,
Speaker 3: you know, really good seasons for the Browns. He's not like,
Speaker 3: he's not thirty two thirty three like the other you know,
Speaker 3: vet receivers that are available. I'm surprised that the Kansas
Speaker 3: City Chiefs or the Buffalo Bills bringing him back. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm just surprised a contending team hasn't brought in Amari
Speaker 3: Cooper and thrown some real money at him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I obviously I watched him very closely
Speaker 1: the last few years. He only had twenty catches in
Speaker 1: eight games with Buffalo. Twenty catches, I mean, only thirty
Speaker 1: two targets. It's for a game for a guy who's
Speaker 1: been a highly decorated receiver.
Speaker 3: I agree, But usually when we were talking about like
Speaker 3: these types of wide receiver bets, they are thirty two,
Speaker 3: thirty three, and you know it's DeAndre. He's only thirty
Speaker 3: years old, you know, and he'll be thirty one for
Speaker 3: the season. I just feel like I'm surprised no team
Speaker 3: has thrown at him like a two year, twenty five
Speaker 3: million dollar contract. And maybe they have, and that's Amari
Speaker 3: Cooper's not taking that. But I just if you told
Speaker 3: me between you know, DeAndre Hopkins or Cooper Cup or whatever,
Speaker 3: I think Amari Cooper would be my pick. In fact,
Speaker 3: I'm surprised the Patriots have not made a play on him.
Speaker 3: Mostly they might be out on Cooper Cup. So Amari
Speaker 3: Cooper a little surprising to me.
Speaker 2: Panick Rose, I'm gonna say two players because I'm willing
Speaker 2: to bet an insignificant body part that you're not going
Speaker 2: to talk about the offensive line. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with Cam Robinson and Tevin Jenkins. Where Cam Robinson for
Speaker 2: being an average tackle, and that's what he is, he
Speaker 2: is an average tackle. I think he is the best
Speaker 2: left tackle that was available on the market for free agency,
Speaker 2: and I think there are a lot of teams that
Speaker 2: could use a left tackle where even if you have
Speaker 2: to overpay him, I think Cam Robinson is okay. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's bad. I think he's okay. As long
Speaker 2: as you kind of know that you're getting that, you
Speaker 2: can improve your offensive line. And Tevin Jenkins too, who
Speaker 2: actually did like legit play well and is very young
Speaker 2: and kind of revitalized his career as the years have
Speaker 2: gone on with the Chicago Bears. I'm kind of shocked
Speaker 2: to see the money that Aaron Banks got because I
Speaker 2: think that Tevin Jenkins is a better player than Aaron Banks.
Speaker 2: I especially think as a pass blocker. Maybe Aaron Banks
Speaker 2: has got him edged as a rumblocker. Maybe maybe not
Speaker 2: so the fact that Tevin Jenkins is still unsigned. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe there's some injury questions, but other than that, I
Speaker 2: can't think of a reason why a young, young, good
Speaker 2: guard shouldn't be somewhere.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I thought, actually that Aaron Banks making the move to
Speaker 1: the NFC North. I thought that maybe Jenkins is going
Speaker 1: to San Francisco to take his place would have been
Speaker 1: a good move. Yeah, but you know, once again, they've
Speaker 1: got some sort of cap issue. Maybe they don't now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we'll see. For me, I'm going
Speaker 1: to edge rusher Zadarius Smith can still play at age
Speaker 1: thirty three. He had nine sacks last year, split between
Speaker 1: Cleveland and Detroit. My guess is with a guy like
Speaker 1: ze that it's a money issue. It's always been. The
Speaker 1: contract has always been at the forefront of discussions with him,
Speaker 1: and good for him. He's made a lot of money
Speaker 1: and he's had a highly productive career. He's got sixty
Speaker 1: nine career sacks. But he could still do it at
Speaker 1: this age. And do you need him to play fifty
Speaker 1: as a game. No. But more and more we see
Speaker 1: teams coming in with packages and they say, well, maybe
Speaker 1: our four isn't significantly better than your front four defensive
Speaker 1: line wise, but our eight are awesome, and so he
Speaker 1: could be a big part of the next group that
Speaker 1: comes in for some team that wants to go get
Speaker 1: the passer. So I think that Zadarius Smith is gonna
Speaker 1: find a home. It'll just be curious for how much.
Speaker 1: It'll be a one year deal, but can he get
Speaker 1: ten twelve million dollars like Joey Bosa?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you, Joey Bosa might
Speaker 1: be a bigger name. I would put Zidarius Smith's pass
Speaker 1: rushing skills past Joey Bosa at this point of his career. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's what I would say. So there you go. All right,
Speaker 1: So next week maybe we'll have some sort Do we
Speaker 1: think that we'll have an answer on the quarterback situations? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or no?
Speaker 3: Anybody will be a big signing this weekend? You think so,
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson, it's going to happen the most convenient time
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, panic and me too, I hope not.
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's reconvene Monday at a Monday at noon
Speaker 2: and then everybody, everybody can resume all talks. Have a
Speaker 2: great weekend. Everyone that sounds that's right.
Speaker 1: So for Bobby Skinner and Justin Pennock and producer Connor
Speaker 1: always does a bang up job on the show. I
Speaker 1: am Chris Rose. We will see you next week here
Speaker 1: on Football Today.
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson to the Giants, don't say that. Just kidding