WEBVTT - 012 Rich on Tech Radio Show - March 25, 2023 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:08.559 TikTok gets grilled. Google launches bar a major acropolips that 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.280 affects the screenshots you might have shared, plus your tech 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.320 questions answered. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.439 Yes, thank you. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.160 What's going on? I'm Rich Dmiro and this is Rich 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.720 on Tech, the show where I talk about the tech 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.799 stuff I think you should know about, and it's the 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:30.319 place where I answer your questions about technology. I'm the 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.360 tech reporter at KTLA Channel five in Los Angeles. Welcome 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:39.320 to the show. Phone lines are open triple eight Rich 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.800 one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.280 four to one zero one. Kim is standing by to 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.080 get you on the show today. Give me a call. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.600 If you have a question about technology. Email is also 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:56.880 an option. Send it over to hello at richontech dot TV. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.400 I'll be checking email throughout the show. Well well, well, 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:08.000 mister mister Shao Chow goes to Washington. That's what happened 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.039 this week. TikTok CEO in front of the House Energy 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:16.320 and Commerce Committee this week, all to talk about concerns 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:22.399 the US has about TikTok spying on users. It turned 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.280 into kind of a circus there five hours and I 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.959 think it was like over five hours of I'd call 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:33.520 it testimony, but realistically it was a lot of finger pointing, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.360 a lot of accusations. I mean, you're talking a guy 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.039 who went to Harvard, his wife grew up in DC, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.880 and he's sitting there defending himself like I've never seen before. Actually, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.920 I have seen it before. I've seen it with Facebook, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.800 I've seen it with Instagram, I've seen it with Google, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.800 I've seen it with Twitter. Yes, the US government loves 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.080 to press these tech companies, to press them hard, but 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:02.960 guess what, at the end of the day, have we 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.880 seen anything come from any of these style hearings. Not really. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.280 Facebook still works just the way it always has. Twitter well, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.720 Twitter has kind of changed, but you know that's for 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:18.080 different reasons. Instagram all the same. I mean, I would 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.799 argue the bigger problem in this whole situation is really 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.440 the impact that these apps are having on our society 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.160 versus the spying. Now, the spying is a big deal 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.880 when it comes to different governments, but I would also 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.480 say that this is a wake up call for all 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:42.760 of us to think about the privacy implications of our lives. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.240 So TikTok, whether or not it is spying on US 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.560 citizens remains to be seen, right, But this is just 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.160 one app. There are many apps that people use on 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.400 a daily basis, and I just mentioned a bunch of them. Facebook, Instagram, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.519 app Chat, TikTok, Twitter. I mean, there's so many apps, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.040 and every single one of these apps has a mission 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.200 and that mission is to either get you to stay 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.880 on that app as long as humanly possible, get you 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.520 to pay for something, or take your personal information and 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.840 use it to sell you stuff. That is what these 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.520 apps do. Now, yes, we get some services out of 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.079 these apps, we get some value out of these apps, 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.760 of course, that's why we use them. But the unspoken 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.600 side of these apps is that they are getting stuff 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.080 from us in a big way. So TikTok just made 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.760 me kind of think. We're going to talk more about 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.920 what happened there a little bit later with my guest 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.320 lance You and Off. But for me, what I want 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.760 to talk about is privacy in general. So are you 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.400 really going to wait for the US government to help 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.000 you protect your own privacy? No? US government is going 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.680 to do what the US government does. They're going to 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.160 do their thing. You need to take control of your 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.960 own tech world. You need to get into control today. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.280 So Number one, you gotta stop speeding through all of 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.480 those sign up screens. I know we want to get 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.320 to these products and services as quick as humanly possible, 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.920 and they know that. Why do you think we scroll 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.280 through those terms and conditions in about one second? Nobody 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.040 can read those terms and conditions as quick as we 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.640 scroll through them. Then they know that, so they hide 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.040 a lot of good stuff in there that I've probably 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.559 never read and neither of you. And I'm not saying 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.359 you have to read that, but you have to understand 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.880 that when you sit there and act surprised that a 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.760 service is taking all of your personal information your location, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.880 your GPS and your IP address, and your likes and 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.599 your needs and your wants. That's all in the terms 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.280 and conditions. You're saying, sure do that, So stop speeding 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.240 through those screens if you really want to see, Like, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.919 hold on, this is asking me for my location, This 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.159 is asking me for access to my microphone. Slow down, 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.000 Listen to what it's asking you, and think do I 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.320 want to give that access? Stop using face Book and 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.279 Google to log into things. I know it's fast again, 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.680 there's a theme here. Don't be fast, be slow. You 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.520 have to understand what they're asking you here. Facebook and 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.560 Google super easy to log in. Yes, they do that 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.440 for a reason. That's so that they can see where 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.520 you're logging in and they can connect the dots between 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.440 all these different products and services that you sign up for. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.720 So don't use Facebook, don't use Google to log in. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.560 Apple just a little bit better than those two. But 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.520 the problem with Apple is that it keeps you in 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.159 their ecosystem. In fact, with all three of these, it 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.360 keeps you in their ecosystem. If you're logged into Facebook, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.560 if you use Facebook to log into a dozen different apps, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.560 yeah you're gonna stick with Facebook. If you use Google 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.640 to log into a dozen different apps, you're going to 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.280 stick with Google. If you use Apple to log into 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.760 every app, yeah you're going to stick with Apple. It 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.000 makes it tougher to get out of these products and services. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.880 My advice, create unique, separate passwords for every account. Tech 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.280 companies are trying to grab as much data as they 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.440 can off of you. And it's not just tech companies either. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.040 By the way, doctor's offices, you ever have to fill 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.960 out those forms you go into the doctor's office, they 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.440 ask you to fill out here, take the number one. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.039 Why do we still have to fill out forms on 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.400 a clipboard at the doctor's office. It is the year 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.320 twenty hold on twenty twenty three. I have to check 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.359 because I sometimes say it's twenty twenty two. It's twenty 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.359 twenty three. Why are we filling out things on a 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.520 clipboard here? This is what it sounds like when you 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.160 go into the doctor's office. You see this. They give 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.000 you this, this big clipboard with all this paperwork on it, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.400 and I always say, can I fill this out online? 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:31.719 Or didn't I already fill it out? And say now 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.839 you got to fill it out. One time, actually just 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.720 flat out refused. I said, no, I filled this out 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.320 last time I was here. I'm not filling it out again. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.080 They just were like, okay. But on that fill out form, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.480 they always ask for your social Security number? Right, Why 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.720 does your doctor need your social Security number? Why does 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.760 your dentist need your social Security number? I know why 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:52.919 they want it so that if you don't pay your bill, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.679 they can come after you. That is not a valid 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.039 reason for asking for that. And you can say no, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.440 by the way, so do that say no? I say 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.240 no every single time. Honestly. Sometimes I just write down 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.720 all zeros and just see what they say, just do it. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.320 Try it, don't give out your social what else? Banks? 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.440 Oh this thing you get every year, you get that 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.680 little piece of paper in the mail from banks. It's 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.920 like this opt out notice, and what do we do? 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.200 We get it, we open it up, you realize it's 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.520 not a bill or anything you need to do, and 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.240 you throw it right in the trash. That opt out notice. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.760 What that's doing is it's saying to you, hey, we're 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.480 your bank, and we have all this personal information about you, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.240 and unless you opt out, we are free to share 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.120 that personal information with any of our affiliates. What's an affiliate? 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.440 Anyone that wants to pay them for that information. So again, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.120 fill out that form, Go to the website, go to 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.280 Chase Bank, go to Bank of America, go to the 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.640 opt out section of the website and just say ned 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.960 rather you not share my stuff. It takes one second, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.040 and I'm guilty this. I I'll be honest. I haven't 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.760 done it, but I got this advice a long time 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.160 ago and someone said to do it, and I've thought 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.040 about doing it, and I will. I will do it now, okay, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.160 because it's just less stuff that you'll get in the mail. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.720 From all these different companies and less sharing of your 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.560 personal information. All right, when it comes to your web browser, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.360 you gotta turn off third party cookies. What's a third 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.920 party cookie? That means when you visit one website, a 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.040 third party cookie allows that website to share your visit 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.480 with another website. That's called a third party cookie. Turn 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.720 those off. You can turn it off in Chrome. They 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.640 make it look scary. They make it look like you're 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.400 doing something wrong. You're not. You can turn off third 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.800 party cookies and it will be very safe to surf 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.200 the web. Get an ad blocker. If you're sick of 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.319 the ads that are following you around on the web, 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.480 get an ad blocker that can help save you from 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.080 some of that nightmare of all these different ads that 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.320 follow you around the web. That's a handy way to 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:48.319 do it. Your home network. Someone comes over to your house, Hey, Rich, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.640 what's your five five password? What do I do? I 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.000 send them straight to the guest network. Rich, Why are 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.320 you giving me the guest network because you're a guest. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.480 You don't need access to my entire home network. Set 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.000 up a guest network on your home Wi Fi and 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.199 let your friends log into the guest network, not the 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.640 network that you use that all of your devices are 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.360 connected to. You can easily print out a QR code 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.840 for your network. People can scan it with their phone 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.320 and then they can log into your guest network. They 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.040 don't even have to notice the guest network. Don't name 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.120 it guest network, name it VIP network and let your 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.720 friends log into that one. Now, your phone, this is 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.160 the biggest issue that you have in your life. Think 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:30.679 about it. Think about the sensors on your phone, GPS, bluetooth, accelerometer, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:35.600 temperature sensors, magnetic field sensors, gyroscope sensors, heart rate sensors, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.040 light sensors, proximity sensors, pressure sensors. You are a walking 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.120 scientist with this phone in your pocket. I mean you're 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.720 prepared to like go right to Jurassic Park with what 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.080 you've got in your pocket at this point. So you 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.040 need to realize that every app wants to tap into 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:56.480 those those settings and those sensors. So think about when 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.800 you give permissions to these apps that you download. Give 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.800 bear basics the minimums. So if it's saying, hey, we 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.839 want your location, do they need your precise location? Give 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.320 them your approximate location. Maybe they just need location one time. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:15.080 Stop giving apps blanket permissions. Don't just say yes to everything. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.800 And if it's been a while, go into your settings 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.840 for your apps and revoke some of those permissions. So, 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.920 for instance, I looked up TikTok just out of curiosity 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.920 to see what permissions does TikTok have on my phone. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.559 I just went to the settings on the iPhone. I 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.120 tapped TikTok. It has access to my contacts, it has 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.640 access to all my photos, it has access to my 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:39.440 local network, my microphone, my camera, and cellular data. Okay, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.720 I just turned all those off. You can do that 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.800 for any app you want. Facebook, Instagram, and Google. There's 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.920 something called connected apps, third party apps. Turn off those connections. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.600 Go in there, take a look see the apps that 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.320 you've given access to your Facebook, your Instagram, and your 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.000 Google and turn those off. You don't necessarily need. It's 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.720 a good idea to just kind of clean those out. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.960 Those are called permissions. So a lot of times with Instagram, Facebook, 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.720 and Google, you give permission to other apps to look 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.120 inside those accounts. You can take those permissions back, and 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.079 it's a good idea, you know, twice three times a 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.480 year to just kind of see which apps you've given 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.920 permission to. If you don't recognize one, you don't remember one, 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.240 get rid of it, revoke its permissions. If it ever 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.040 comes a time when you need that app to be 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.319 accessible again, you'll see it'll say, hey, we lost this connection, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.880 and there are legitimate reasons for that. But you just 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.040 have to realize why these apps want this access. They 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.880 want to build this web, this network of like the 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.520 most information possible about you, and by giving them permission, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.120 that's what you're doing. You need to take control of 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.880 your privacy, security accounts and have backups because I get 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.680 way too many emails about people who get hacked, lose 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.880 their photos or files because they're not in the cloud. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.360 Do this stuff today, please, that's my word to you today. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.199 All right, Coming up on the show, we're going to 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.560 talk about neck gear. If you have an orbit, it 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.440 is time to update your software. I'll explain what that 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.280 acropo lips is. Plus we got lance yulanoff coming up. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.960 He's going to talk about TikTok and Google Bard plus Slater. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.960 In the show, we're going to visit Outer Edge LA 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.120 all about NFTs. If you're curious about them, we'll tell 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.680 you your calls up next at triple eight Rich one O one. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.640 That's eight eight eight seven four to two four one 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.800 zero one. You are listening to rich on Tech. Welcome 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.600 back to rich on Tech. My name is Rich Demiro, 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:35.360 tech reporter at KTLA Channel five in Los Angeles. You 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.640 can follow me on social media at rich on Tech. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:46.200 I'm on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. Mike is in El Segundo, California. Mike, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.920 you're on with Rich. What's happening? 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.520 Hey, Rich are I've got an older iPad, maybe about 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.400 from seven years old, and it won't brouse anymore. And 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.720 it tells me that I need an iOS that's newer 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:05.120 than twelve point seven I believe, and but but that 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:06.240 I can't load that. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:07.040 On the machine. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:08.559 Do I have any options? 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.880 Okay? So this is an older iPad. It sounds like, 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.360 huh yeah, how how old are we talking? 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.440 I'm thinking it's about seven or eight years old? 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.480 Oh wow? Okay? And so when you go to the 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.040 web browser, which browser are you using? 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:28.240 Using Safari? 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:29.000 Okay? 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.120 But and uh then I get I get an error 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.079 note on the machine. So you know you need to 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.079 update your bios okay? 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.480 And so and you can't update past twelve point seven, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.439 because that's it. There's no more support for this older version, right, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.200 And I've kind. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:49.959 Of googled around to find if I could find a 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.840 browser that would accept something that's older, but I haven't 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:55.760 been successful though. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.040 Well, okay, that's my question. So when when you can 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.600 you download app from the app store? Still, because I'm 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.920 not sure what state this computer this iPad is in. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.320 Does it still like the Wi Fi works on it? 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.959 And can you still do anything on it? 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:11.080 Yeah? 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.600 I can do that, but I went to because I 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.120 thought it might be a browser I could use, but 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.400 and it downloaded the app when I want to use 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.880 it once again, it's still required to thirteen or New York. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.800 Okay. So the thing about the browsers on the iPad 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.280 is that they use something they all share, something called WebKit. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.800 And this means that even though there are different browsers 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.080 on the iPad and available, they all use the same 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:44.560 back end software and so that software is provided by Apple. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.040 And it's what they're saying is it's basically, your iPad 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.960 doesn't have the latest software. It's not secure enough to 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.840 run that version of WebKit that it needs, no matter 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.800 which browser you download. So that's I think what you're 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.040 running into here, oh yeah, because it. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:03.360 Sounds like. 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.320 Yeah, so I would say, yeah, I would say to 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.800 download something like Chrome or Firefox or any of these 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.680 other browsers. But they're all going to run on the 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.760 back end using that WebKit software provided by Apple. So 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.440 that's that's why I think you're running into this problem. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.800 The only I'm trying to think, uh yeah, so do 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.160 you know how to recycle this thing? Do you know 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.240 how to get some money for it? 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:27.880 Not? 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:28.440 Off hand? 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.760 Okay, So I'll recommend a place that I like because 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.880 I think this is a pretty old iPad, so you're 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.600 probably not gonna get much. But there's a website I 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.000 like called gizmo Go g I z m o g 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.720 O gizmo goo dot com, and you can pop in 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.120 your iPad and it will tell you how much you get. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.840 Do you know which model this is? Offhand or no? 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.160 I think it's an Air. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.280 iPad Air okay, so I'm guessing it's an old, old 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.080 maybe for okay, So if it's the first generation, you're 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.440 ready for this. Don't don't spend this all one place. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.480 But it looks like they're going to give you eleven 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:09.560 dollars and seventy two cents, Mike, all right, iPad iPad 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.280 Air second generation five dollars twenty five cents. You might 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.760 be better off just keeping this in your house and 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.440 using it as a photo display, like turn it into 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.560 some sort of like you know, photo frame or something. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:23.160 That's a good idea. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.240 It might be better. All right, Well, good luck and the 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.320 new iPad, by the way, I would just recommend the 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.160 standard one. I don't know if you need. I mean, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.200 the Air is nice, but it's much more expensive than 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:33.880 it depends on what you're doing on this thing, but 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.480 the standard one's pretty good, and I would before you 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.840 buy one, just check for some sales. So I always 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.520 type in iPad deal and then go to Google and 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.840 then tap news. And because all the bloggers get affiliate 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.240 money from these things, they will typically blog about when 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.760 iPads are on sale. So that would be my recommendation, Mike. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.120 And if you want, you can go ahead and recycle 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.360 it as well, So that's what I would recommend. All right. Thanks, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.200 first call, okay, if you want to get on the show. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.600 Phone lines are open. It's eight eight eight rich one 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.800 oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.119 four one zero one Uh, let me just tell you 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.640 about acropolips real quick. So, if you have a Pixel 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.120 or a Windows computer, security researchers have determined that when 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.840 you crop a photo using the default editing tools which 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.359 is called markup and the snipping tool and Windows, it 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.359 saves the information in the file that you tried to 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.560 cut out of the picture. So if you share this 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.560 picture with someone, whether that's online or you know, over email, whatever, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.720 they may be able to use a tool to recover 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.640 the data that you tried to cut out of that picture. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.200 And there's actually a tool I'll link to on the 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.080 website that you can try this out. But if you 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.600 have a pixel, you got to update the software because 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.640 Google did release a software update that will fix this. 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.840 So this has been around since twenty eighteen. By the way, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.240 this issue, so update your pixel and for Windows they 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.240 are now aware of it, but they don't have a 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.760 fixed just yet. So when in doubt, do not share 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.000 screenshots involving personal information right now, even if you crop 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.560 that information out. All right, coming up, we're gonna talk 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.040 to my pal lance Yulanoff about TikTok on Capitol Hill 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:18.520 plus Google Bard. You're listening to rich on Tech. Welcome 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.159 back to Rich on Tech. My name is rich Demiro 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.160 and joining me now. My first guest is Lance Ulanoff. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.960 He is the editor in chief of tech Radar. He 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.159 has spent many years in the tech industry, and also 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.840 he is the tech guy on Live with Kelly and Ryan. Lance, 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:36.679 Welcome to the show. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:38.680 Hey, thanks for having me. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.960 Hey, I'm just looking at your LinkedIn here and I 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.840 noticed you have a cool feature on there. You have 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.440 a pronouncer for your name. I've never seen that before. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.280 Yeah, they introduced that a while ago because you know, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.800 I guess just for everyone, but people often mispronounce my 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.879 last name, so it's helpful for me. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.200 Did I say it right? 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.720 Yeah, yeah, you get it right. You did well. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:18:59.040 Well. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.760 Thanks for joining me on the show. Appreciate it. Let's 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.320 talk first, TikTok. So I assume you watched all five 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.680 hours and forty eight minutes of the testimony. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.400 I watched almost the entire thing. There were a couple 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.399 of little breaks I had to take, but yeah, I 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.639 caught the majority of it. It was it was actually 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.480 pretty frustrating to watch. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.600 I didn't get through the whole thing, but I did 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.080 watch enough to see that Wow. I mean, these things 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.440 always go the same, They're they're pretty one sided. Obviously, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.800 they kind of ask questions that are a little bit loaded, 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.399 but they do get some information out there. Like the 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.800 big the big thing I saw that was they asked 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:42.080 the TikTok CEO if TikTok accessed devices on your home 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.520 Wi Fi. And I was thinking about that. I'm like, hmm, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.600 actually it probably could do that, right. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.119 Yeah, yeah, I think that's possible. I Mean, the thing is, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.080 you know, we don't know what when an application is 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:57.760 installed on your computer or on your phone, and obviously 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.719 most people at home are using their I find network, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:02.880 Like what does it interrogate and what does it learn 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.000 about you? We don't know that. But you know, in 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.639 all fairness, pretty much every application that you install is 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.680 going to seek out as much useful information as possible. 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.040 The X factor here being that TikTok is owned by 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.560 by Dance. By Dance is a Chinese company, and we 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.639 are not best of friends with China. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.719 Right now, right, So if they I mean, let's put 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.800 it this way, even at the very least, if China 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.400 wanted to get the whereabouts of where people are sort 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.960 of moving in and about the US, and this is 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.040 probably the reason why all of these government you know, 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.399 like these local governments and of course the federal government 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.520 is saying you can't have this on your phone because 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.960 at the very least they can track people's movements. That's 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.239 like very basic location services on a phone. Is that 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:51.120 sound right? 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.040 Yeah, I mean there's there's location, there's IP information, you know, 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.720 whether you leave your location services on, which most people 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.920 do because you use it for maps. I think, yes, 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.200 there's a there's a there's a world of data that 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.479 that any company can derive about it. And I do 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.480 think that's a really strong point that and I think 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.920 even the CEO of TikTok agreed with this, that government 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.760 employees should not have social media on their devices. I mean, 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.080 it just makes sense, and I don't think that anybody 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.760 is arguing about that. What it comes down to is 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.479 the question of whether or not it should be banned 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.040 and no one should have access to it as opposed 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:33.159 to the other option is stronger regulations, which we've all 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.320 been asking for for tech companies and social media for 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.399 a long time, and they all just keep talking about 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.280 it but not actually doing it. 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:43.680 Yeah. Well, I mean it kind of reminds me of 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.440 like you know, the Motion Picture Association, You've got the 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.600 people that make the movies rate the movies, right, And 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.560 so with the tech companies. In an ideal world, they 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.639 would make their own rules and say, hey, we play 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.760 by these rules. We want to have our own rules. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.719 We're private, see centric, and we're you know whatever. But 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.000 the reality is they don't have our best interests at heart. 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.120 They're a tech company. They're trying to make money off 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:09.960 of us. They're trying to get our personal information. Is 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:10.840 that right? 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.120 Well, there's certainly these are businesses. These are not philanthropies, right, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.159 there's no charities out there. They're businesses, and it's a 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.280 question of how big is the business, How are they 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.439 going to make money? You know, whether it's selling you 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.919 something which Apple tends to do, right. They sell you 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.280 hardware and you're subscribe to software, or they give you 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:36.720 something for in quotes free, but they monetize it and 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:41.720 they make money through advertising. So then they're selling your interests. 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.720 They're selling your eyeballs. That is paying attention to whatever 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.840 you look at. And that's what TikTok is, right. TikTok 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:52.040 is in that area. TikTok monetizes through ad partnerships. I mean, 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.400 if you are on TikTok, you notice there are more 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:58.440 and more ads in there, and so that's how it's 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.880 that's a trade off that exists across pretty much all 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.200 of technology. But you said something is very interesting that 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:08.400 they don't. There are no rules, right, So different companies 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:12.000 go by different ethos. So, for example, Apple is tends 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.680 to be more privacy focused than others, right, because they're 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.800 not ad based. They don't care what we're doing all 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.480 their devices. What they care about is buy more of 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.119 our stuff, be in our ecosystem. Whereas Google, well they 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.399 don't sell you a lot of hardware. They're starting to, 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.000 but most of their money is made through advertising, so 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.160 they really need to know what you're doing across their 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.560 network of things. So they don't have the same kind 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:37.600 of rules and ethos that Apple has. So there's no consistency, 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:42.880 and there's no data US data bill of. 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:47.800 Rights, right, different plate. I mean, obviously Europe has much 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:53.840 stronger privacy regulations, California has much stronger privacy regulations. But yes, 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.520 federally that's just not the case. And every company, like 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.760 you said, kind of does their own thing. I guess 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.240 my big question is what was your takeaway? Was there 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.000 anything that surprised you from this this testimony? 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.560 Well, I was, you know, I was very interested when 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:14.199 I heard him say the CEO too, say that he 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:19.720 reports directly to the CEO of Byte Dance. The Bite 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.119 Dance is a Chinese company, and that CEO is in China, 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:24.919 and he may or may not be a member of 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.920 the Communist Party. And I think that was one moment 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.520 I'm really kind of fixated on, like, Okay, there's because 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:32.840 they weren't getting enough really solid information out of them 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:36.000 because they spent too much time just talking about I 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.880 don't know what. They just just speak they're making speeches. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.719 But I was like, give me details that we can 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.640 because that's what they can dig into. The other thing 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.439 was that he owns stock in Byte Dance, So again, 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.200 these are things that talk to his interests, who controls 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.880 what he does and who he answers to and how 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.960 it's going to play out now. That was interesting to me. 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.159 And of course Project Texas, which is what is the 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.600 plan that by Dance slash TikTok now TikTok whatever they're 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:08.200 building separately has to protect firewall off American data, which 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:12.600 includes setting up almost like a separate company, which I 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:17.679 think is called the United States Security Data Security USDs. 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.200 Oh wow, that's right there. 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:25.760 I know, I know it was very weird, but that's 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.439 the name they came up with. There's going to be 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.239 you know, any legacy data that was left on on 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.480 service that were controlled by by Dance, it's going to 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.399 be pulled off. Uh. There, So they're all all the 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:39.760 data will be firewalls, all be with Oracle, and they'll 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.000 have like a board that will populated with people with 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:47.000 security backrounds all the US people. Uh, and they'll have oversight. 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.080 They'll be like an over third party oversite to make 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.640 sure they follow all the rules. So I actually thought, 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.119 all right, that's a start, that's something. But it was 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.200 interesting because what the officials the lawmakers did is they 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.960 basically dismissed the entire plan. They really were like me, yeah, 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.760 they really kind of pick it apart, which is what 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.360 I wanted. I'm like, go deeper into that because that's 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.840 what he has to answer for because that's their action plan. 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:13.720 You want to know that that's a good action plan. 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.080 But wouldn't it solve more problems just to get this 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.679 controlled by a US company, or to sell make it 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.240 its own company, like just you know, branch off and 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:22.520 I don't know, I mean, maybe you can't do that, 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.240 but like it seems odd that, you know, I mean, 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.200 I get that there's a lot of money at stake 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.240 here and Byteedance makes a lot of money off of 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.359 this app or there's potential for tons of money to 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.960 be made. But would it solve all the problems if 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.399 they just said, hey, we're going to make this a 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.760 US company. Now we're going to just start up. I mean, 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.639 they say they made a big deal about saying how 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.160 many offices they have in the US and how many employees. 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:48.600 They have here seven seven thousand. I think, yeah, obviously, yes, 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.679 you are totally right. It would make things so easy. 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:57.639 My feeling is I believe that the reason China by 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:02.159 Dance will not sell is out of pride. This is 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:07.000 a global sensation. They really are excited and happy about it, 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.159 and they would feel I think they would feel they 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.080 would lose face to spell it. It would be an embarrassment. 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:18.600 They would be, you know, basically kneeling to the US 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.920 on this point. That's why they won't sell it. And 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.280 I will say also that I don't think I don't 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.960 think a band is actually on the table, partly because 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.199 of the lobbying, but also because of the thing you 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:34.679 mentioned that the deep sort of integration in US and 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:39.639 including investment from US parties, So there would be a 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.359 lot of pushback on doing that, making it like this 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.600 illicit thing you could only get to it through VPN. 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.199 So I don't think that's going to happen either. So 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.840 we're kind of in this weird spot. But what's strange 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:53.359 to me is that it is so rare to find 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.200 agreement on both sides of the Aisle and the White 0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.160 House on any topic, and here we have one where 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.760 everybody's there, we're all in agreement. They're like, yeah, bad, 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.760 this is bad. We should do something, maybe ban it. 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.560 So that is the X factor where if they're truly 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.720 not satisfied, they may press this point and then it 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:13.840 goes to someplace that maybe it is something like a 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.200 band or I don't know, but I just don't think 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.919 they'll get them to sell them sell it because of 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.560 the reasons I stated, Well. 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.600 It's certainly been a saga of the century for at 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.280 least a couple I mean, I remember the first time 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.560 I covered this probably three or four years ago and 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.480 it's still I just can't believe it's still going on. 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:31.879 And we even get into the whole idea of the 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:36.040 misinformation that's on TikTok and the self harm and the 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.960 challenges that are just taking over children's lives and ruining them. 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.560 So there's a lot going on here, and that's not 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.280 just TikTok's fault. That is, you know, a social media 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.000 thing in general. But that's a whole other conversation. But 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.120 Lance I'm gonna have to leave it there. How can 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.880 folks keep in touch with you, follow you all that 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:53.440 good stuff? 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.880 Obviously tech grad dot com. I have a number of 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.520 stories to go up there of the US that are 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.640 in chief, and then of course on Twitter, assuming it 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.600 doesn't go coput. I'm on Twitter, uh and yes you 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.960 can find me there and no, yes on TikTok. Yes 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:08.640 I am on. 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.640 TikTok Okay, we'll check that out. Lancey lan Off, editor 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.960 in chief of tech Radar and also the tech guy 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.240 on Live with Kelly and Ryan. Thanks so much for 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:18.280 joining me today. I appreciate it. 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.280 On your Saturday, it was a pleasure talk to you. 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.240 All right, talk soon, all right, You're listening to Rich 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:28.480 on tech. Coming up, we'll talk about Google Bard that's 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.320 their answer to chat GPT plus more of your calls 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.880 at Triple eight rich one O one eight eight eight 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.720 seven four to two four one zero one. You are 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:44.280 listening to Rich on tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:48.040 Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you talking technology at 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.960 Triple eight Rich one O one eight eight eight seven 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:56.400 four to two four one zero one. Don't forget to 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.560 sign up for my newsletter. Just go to rich on 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.680 tech dot T hit the I believe it says sign 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:07.400 up for my newsletter. Pretty simple. Now, I will tell 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.600 you the newsletter is currently dormant, so you may not 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:14.360 get an email from me tomorrow. But I am just 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.440 it's a way to keep in touch. When I've got 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.400 something important to say, I will put it on there. 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.560 So that's the way to do it. Rich on tech 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:26.440 dot TV. Jamie is in Riverside, California. Jamie, you are 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.880 on with rich Hi. 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.120 Rich thank you for taking the call. I wanted to 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:36.480 ask you what the Microsoft upgrade to Wendy eleven. I'm 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:42.160 having a difficult time locating like my test manager and 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.880 task you know, like my files where before I used 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.120 to go and start look down and it would give 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.800 you all the information like Microsoft Office, and I can't 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.000 seem to find that anymore. 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.920 So if they've moved everything, yes, that's funny. 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.360 If they're like a website, I can find I like 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.640 the TT so they can kind of maneuver around, or 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:05.200 you know, they're like. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:05.800 A search bar. 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.120 What do you suggest, So they moved everything around Windows 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.000 eleven is uh, they sort of moved everything to the 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.240 center of the screen now, right, like the whole start 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.960 button and all that start menu. Yes, And I'll be honest, 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.880 I have not played with it that much. It's on 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.760 my list of things to do to kind of check 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.400 it out and see. So I can't specifically say where 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:31.120 all these things are. But I mean, as for resources, 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.640 I think the easiest thing to do. I mean, these 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:37.480 things don't come with an instruction manual. But no, Microsoft 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:41.520 does a pretty good job on their website of doing tutorials. 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:42.600 Have you looked at those at all? 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:44.080 No? 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.440 Okay, that's where I was much. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.720 Are they for C tutorials or are they just like 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.560 introducing the new Windows even Well. 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.040 They've got a whole bunch of stuff, so I'm looking 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.000 at it Now I just did support dot Microsoft dot 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.160 com and they got this section called Meat Windows eleven, 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.640 and so they've got a whole thing. It tells you 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.800 about the look and feel, it tells you about how 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:15.680 to personalize your experience, the apps and tools, entertainment, gaming, accessibility, creativity, 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.440 and then it underneath each video it gives you all 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.840 of kind of like the basics. So how to search obviously, 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:24.400 you know how to do that. You press search or 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.360 you can you know, tap Windows s, how to make 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.800 desktop groups, your Microsoft account, keyboard shortcuts that you might 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.480 find useful, like how about this? Did you know that 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:34.680 for voice typing you can do Windows. 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.840 H No, but I got to get. 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.000 See there you go. How about how about opening the 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.080 emoji panel? Jamie? Have you done that? It's Windows semicolon. 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:52.440 Ok see all right, so this is support dot Microsoft 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.520 dot com. And then look for the meat Windows eleven section. 0:32:56.680 --> 0:33:01.560 Now the other thing that's go ahead, well, the other 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.600 thing that's really handy. Okay you first, no, you it's 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.040 like at a stop you know, is that like those 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.080 stop signs you know where you're like, no, no, you 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.640 go first, No, you go first, No, you go first, Jamie, 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.959 you go first, okay, thank you. 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.280 I wanted to also ask you, I'm building a new workstation. 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.240 Before you would be able to just put in a 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.480 user name, but now it seems like they always wanted 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.240 to use an email account, like you know, a live 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.240 or outlook yes, to get connected to the network. 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.200 Is there a work around now or is that just 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:33.760 the way. 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.480 You know the things work now. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.680 That's a good question because I was just setting up 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.040 a computer and I noticed that same exact thing, and 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:42.720 I was like, wait a second, do I really need 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.080 to put into Microsoft account now? I'm assuming that there 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.320 is a way to do a local account. Off the 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.520 top of my head, I don't know, but I assume 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:55.200 that when you're signing in, there's probably a tiny little 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.680 link when when you're setting up the computer that says 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.840 to do it offline. So when you're going through, just 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.320 kind of really take a close look at things and 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.080 see if there is a section on that sign up 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.520 area where it says like go offline or do this locally. 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.200 I'm sure there's a way to do it. I just 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.360 went ahead and used my Microsoft account because I was 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.240 just like, okay, let me just try this. But obviously 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.319 they're trying to force everyone to do these things a 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.319 certain way because they want everyone linked in to you know, 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.399 their main Microsoft accounts because that helps them in the end. 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.000 But again, I think that's all part of the tutorials. 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.280 And also, I mean, I know this is a pretty 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.560 a given, but you know, YouTube is a really good 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:39.799 resource for this kind of stuff. I would find some 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.719 good YouTubers that cover Windows eleven and just kind of 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.160 watch some of their videos. I know it's, you know, 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:47.880 could be kind of boring to sit through some of 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.520 this stuff, but if you're really trying to, you know, 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:52.799 learn the ins and outs of this new software, that's 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.160 probably a good way to familiarize yourself at least, just 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:55.719 to get some. 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:58.000 Boring. 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.399 I don't think it's b but you know, I think 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.520 that it depends. It depends, like it's just you know, 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.839 it depends on how interested you are and all these 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.320 little nuances. But there's definitely a lot of new features, 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.759 and I feel like Windows has really they just keep 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.600 changing things a lot, and it's happening very fast right now. 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:17.960 I mean, they just you know, especially with this AI stuff, 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.600 it's all gonna change again, Jamie, that's for sure. 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:22.319 Yeah, that's for sure. 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:24.719 Okay, Well, thank you the mind that I really do 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:25.439 enjoy your show. 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:26.960 All right, Well, thank you very much for calling, and 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.279 I'm gonna put links to everything that I mentioned. I'm 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.960 taking very good notes. I'm like a student in a 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.160 college class right now. I'm taking notes as I go 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.960 along to everything that I mentioned, and I'm putting them 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.440 all in the show notes. So after you listen to 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.600 the show, once this is all posted as the podcast, 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:45.879 you can go to my website rich on tech dot 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.040 tv see the link, and I will have everything that 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.960 I mentioned inside the link so that you can easily 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.480 find it. All Right, So I've been talking about this 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.000 netgear orb. If you have one of these routers, which 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.800 you've probably heard people talk about, these mesh router systems, 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.520 that you put a couple different access points around your 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.120 house and they work together to create a Wi Fi 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.840 signal that is everywhere throughout your house. Instead of the 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:15.200 old way that is just one router modem in the 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.239 middle of your house from your cable company or whatever, 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.680 and that puts out the signal and it never reaches 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.799 to the far corners. These new mesh networks, they have 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.480 different access points you put in different rooms and they 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.319 all work together to create one Wi Fi signal that 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.359 works in every corner of your house. So these things 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.440 are very popular. Ero sort of started the trend and 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.920 now you've got a whole bunch of them. Neck Your 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:39.399 Orby is a very highly rated mesh wireless system. It's 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:43.959 very popular and if you have one, you probably want 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:49.120 to check for updates because there is some There was 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:54.160 an exploit. Basically, hackers were able to get into this thing, 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.000 and so you want to make sure that you have 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.800 this thing patched up. So the bottom line is you 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.560 don't really need to know what they were able to 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.680 do with this, because it's besides the point. But if 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.120 you have a neck gear Orby, go into the app 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.760 on your phone, go into the settings, check for an update, 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.360 and update the software so that your network is secure. 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.080 All right, I've got phone lines open at triple eight. 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.800 Rich one on one eight eight eight seven four to two, 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.240 four to one zero one. My name is Rich Dmiro. 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:26.640 You are listening to Rich on Tech. Welcome back to 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.640 rich on Tech. My name is Rich Demiro, hanging out 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.359 talking technology. This is a show where I talk about 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:36.840 the tech. If I can talk, this is the show 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.960 where I talk about the tech stuff I think you 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.480 should know about. It's also the place where I answer 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.720 your questions. You can find me online at rich on Tech. 0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:52.080 That's me on all social media. That's Instagram, that's Facebook, 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.000 and as long as Twitter is still around. That's where 0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:00.480 all be this week. I know I try to make 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:05.920 the entire show about AI, but that is the number 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:13.200 one theme of the tech world right now. AI is everything. 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.520 It's kind of like it reminds me of going to 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:21.680 these tech shows when the internet and wireless connections kind 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:26.120 of first started, and every product would get an Internet connection. 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.879 It's like, you have a teacup up, it's got Internet. Oh, 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.960 you have a frame, it's got Internet. You've got a speaker, 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.080 it's got Internet everything. And now we're seeing that same 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:42.400 trend with AI. This all started because of chat GPT. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.799 If you haven't used it, there is only one way 0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:51.439 to access it. It is through the website, which is OpenAI. 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.399 That's the company that makes it. So it's chat dot 0:38:55.480 --> 0:39:02.200 OpenAI dot com. So do not get scammed into logging 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:06.680 into chat GPT through an app or through pretty much 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.759 anything else. At this point, there is nothing else. There 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:13.360 are products that run on top of OpenAI and chat GPT. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.160 But at this point, there is only one legitimate Chat 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:21.600 GPT and that is through OpenAI's website. And so if 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.560 you're trying to like log in with your Facebook, there's 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.319 a lot of scams out there that have to do 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.960 with that. Do not fall for them. Do not download 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.160 an app to the iPhone or from Google. There is 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.879 no chat GPT app right now, so just don't even 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.160 do it. If you want to use chat GPT on 0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:41.120 your phone, you can bookmark chat dot OpenAI dot com 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:43.680 and that will work on your phone, it will work 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.040 on your computer, and it's all free. Now it gets 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:51.800 a little confusing because now there is a paid version 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:57.440 of chat GPT called Chat GPT Plus and it's twenty 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.200 bucks a month, which is a lot of money. So 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.360 you have to really have a use case for chat 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.920 GBT plus to pay twenty bucks a month for this 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.840 right now, Like you're a developer, you just you know, 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:12.319 you just really really need something more than what they 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:16.360 give for free. And keep in mind, Chat GBT is 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.840 sort of locked into twenty twenty one. It is not 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.040 up to date, it is not current. It's a research 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:27.440 tool right now, and so if you're looking for answers 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:29.640 that are past twenty twenty one. It just doesn't have 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.440 those right now. That will change. But that's the way 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:37.040 chat GBT is. And it's an amazing, amazing application program, 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:40.040 whatever you want to call it. It's really impressive. But 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:47.000 I've been playing with the Google version of this AI stuff. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:52.760 They're calling it barred b A R D. And Google's AI. 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.040 I've told you about this before. They were kind of 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.239 their hand was forced in all this stuff. Now, I'm 0:40:58.239 --> 0:40:59.920 not saying that Google has not been working on a 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.520 for a very long time. They have. In fact, Google 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:05.840 is using a lot of AI behind the scenes, and 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.560 almost all of the products that they have, whether it's YouTube, 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:12.360 whether it's Gmail, whether it's you know, any app that 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.800 they have on Android, they use a lot of AI. 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.799 But they never came out with their version of chat 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:22.600 GBT until now because it flies in the face of 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:26.279 their entire business model. And if you want, by the way, 0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:30.760 to sign up for this, it's barred dot Google dot 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:34.480 com and there's a wait list and you will get access. 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:37.560 It just takes a little bit of time. So for instance, 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.520 I signed up the first second it was available. I 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.040 got access probably an hour later. My son he signed 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.439 up probably the end of the day that day, which 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.240 was a couple days ago, and he just got access today, 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.440 so it could take a few days to get access. 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.200 They're rolling this out because it's test. They're trying to 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.799 see how people use it, how it works, and just 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.000 to you know, it's just a test. It's an experiment. 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.240 They're calling it an early experiment. And generative AI means 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:10.600 that this AI generates responses based on its knowledge. So 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.520 nobody has sat there and programmed in these answers. It 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.000 comes up with them on the fly. So it could 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:20.280 be wrong, it could be right, it could be off, 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.439 it could be amazing. So let me explain. Okay, Number 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.680 one Bard. The reason why they're calling it Bard, according 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.560 to Bard, is that it's an old storyteller. That's what 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:33.400 they were called back in the day, like a Bard, 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:35.960 and so that's where they got the inspiration for the name. 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:37.720 I don't know if that's true. That's just what Bard 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:40.239 told me, so we have to take it at face value. 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.919 But Google says you can use Bard to boost your productivity, 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:50.080 accelerate your ideas, fuel your curiosity, fuel your curiosity. I've 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:53.560 asked it so many questions in the past week, it's 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.920 quite impressive. I've said, Hey, I love this book, recommend 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:02.520 me five books just like it. I also asked, give 0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.640 me I like this song, Give me a list of 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.719 one hundred songs just like that song. It did it. 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.839 I've asked for recipes. Hey, I have this, this, and this. 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:15.279 Can you make me a recipe using those ingredients? Oh? 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.280 Can you make it healthy? Can you make it vegan? 0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:20.520 I asked it last night, Can you tell me the 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.360 best things on the menu at this restaurant I was 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.000 going to? And it just spit out the answers. Now 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:29.879 here's the thing. It doesn't do as many citations as 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.400 Bing does with their AI, so Bing will have at 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:37.560 the end of their AI answers where it got those answers. 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.480 Google is not as forthcoming all the time. 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:39.600 Now. 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.799 I've noticed sometimes at the end of the answer it 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.280 will give you a link to where it got that information. 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:49.719 Other times it will not, So you don't really necessarily 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.160 know where this information is coming from. But what's amazing 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:56.400 about bard is that it feels like you have literally 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.680 the smartest person in the world at your desci You 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.040 can ask anything to this person. It's not always going 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.120 to answer it. Sometimes it'll say sorry, I'm AI, I'm 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.399 not trained on that, or it just gets a little 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.799 cagey and it says, ah, sorry, Like if you try 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.680 to like really push the limits of this stuff, there's 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.480 a lot of guardrails built in right now because they 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.720 don't know what these AI systems are gonna say. They've 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:23.919 programmed them to work, but they didn't program what they're 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.759 going to generate, and so it's really anyone's guess as 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.880 to how people flex the muscles of these different AI 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.319 programs to make them do things that even the programmers 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.200 didn't know they could do. For instance, just in the 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.399 past week, I've asked it to compose a song. I've 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.400 asked it to write biographies of people. And it's interesting. 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.319 If you ask it to write a biography, Hey who 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.719 is rich Tomuro it will say sorry, I don't know. 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.719 But if you put in their social media account, say 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.360 hey who is at rich on Tech? Then it comes 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:56.640 back with all the information. So again, it's just the 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.640 way it's been programmed to do this kind of stuff. 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.480 I've asked it to. It literally coded me simple websites. 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.440 I said, hey, can you grab an RSS feed and 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.719 create a feed of that RSS on this website and 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.839 play the latest episode of my podcast, and sure enough 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.120 it did that. I said, hey, can you code a 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:18.240 simple timer on a website and have this screen flash 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:19.920 when there's one minute left on the timer? And it 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.960 did that. I mean, this is really really advanced stuff 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.239 and it's all free right now. And the reason why 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.280 I said it flies in the face of Google's business 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.400 is because there's no ads on it, and as far 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.120 as I can tell, I'm not sure how they're going 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.840 to implement ads unless it's a banner ad on this screen. 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.480 The other thing that's really unique about it is you 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.520 can say thumbs up thumbs down if you like the answer. 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:44.000 Because it's still learning. It also gives you different drafts 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.160 of answer, so when you look at an answer, it 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.239 will say, okay, well, our computer also came up with this, 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.239 and it will you can look at different versions of 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:56.040 the same answer, and you can also hit a Google 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.840 button at the bottom of the answer to kind of 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:03.400 see where where it lies with the Google search results, 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.520 how does it compare with those? And so that's unique 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:09.799 to Google that I didn't really see on BING. These 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:14.560 are all called large language models LLM, and what that 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:19.280 means is They feed a whole bunch of information into 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.759 this large language model, and it goes to town just 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.680 figuring out what all that information means. And when you 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.960 ask a question, it reaches into its information database and 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:35.319 pulls out the answers that it thinks are right. It's 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.000 really really wild. If you haven't tried this yet, it's 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.719 just and I know there's been so much talk about 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.520 this stuff in the world, but it is going to 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.759 change everything. It really really is. And when you sit 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.920 here and use it, you realize that after a week, 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.759 I am using Barred as my entire search engine. I 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.960 don't use Google anymore because I don't need it. I'm 0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.880 asking for answers. If I need a link to a website, sure, 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.839 but if I want an answer to something, I'm going 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.680 to Bard. Now keep in mind this is from Google, 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.640 it says. Because there are so much information that this 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:14.720 is programmed with, this will reflect real world biases, stereotypes, 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.000 and sometimes this will show up in the answers. The 0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.480 answers can also be inaccurate, they can be misleading, and 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.120 they can have false information all while being presented confidently, 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.520 which means Bard may present an answer to you that 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.239 seems right and you may run with it and it's 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.080 just flat out wrong. And the reason you don't know 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.360 that is because it presents it in such a way 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:40.880 where it feels authoritative. And that's the trickiest part to 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.840 all of this AI and I think what's almost the 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.399 Achilles heel to it is that because it can be 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:50.760 so wrong on stuff and sound so right, we literally 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.120 as humans almost have to fact check, fact check every 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.200 single aspect of these answers. And at the end of 0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.560 the day, if you're fact checking all of these answers, 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.120 are they really answers. I mean, it's almost more work 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.080 than in the beginning of when we went to the web. 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.200 You would type in a search term, you'd go to 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.360 that website. If the website was trusted, you would trust 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.080 that information, and you could tell if a website is 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:16.319 trusted most of the time if it's from a big name. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.560 Sometimes you couldn't. And that's where misinformation on the web 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:23.440 comes into play again. So many things you can do 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.760 with this. I just I really really find this fascinating. 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.440 I'm trying to see if there's anything else that Google 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:32.560 says that's interesting about this. I think the main thing 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:36.040 to know is barred dot Google dot com if you 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.560 want to sign up and try it out. I've just 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:41.279 been having a ton of fun. Can you can ask 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.400 follow up questions? So if you're writing one thing, you 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.920 can write a follow up question and say, hey, you know, 0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:49.400 I'd like to know more about that. You can modify 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:51.880 kind of the answer that it gives you by asking 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.640 it follow up questions. It's really just phenomenal tools and 0:48:55.719 --> 0:49:00.439 it's free. This is free, and it's changing. Its going 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.560 to change everything, especially as they figure out how this 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.800 is going to be integrated into everyday life, how Google's 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.480 going to use this, and most importantly, how are they 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.480 going to get stuff right? Because that's the thing that 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.239 I'm waiting for is when when can we trust this 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.920 to really be solid and to give us answers that 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.399 we can go with. All Right, I see a bunch 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.520 of you waiting online to uh to talk to me, 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.439 So I will get to more of your calls coming 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.520 up next at triple eight Rich one O one. That's 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:31.960 eight eight eight rich one O one eight eight eight 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.520 seven four to two four one zero one. Email also 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:39.440 open hello at rich on tech dot TV. I'll be 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.320 right back. Welcome back to rich on tech Rich DeMuro 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.320 here we were just talking about AI and Google barred 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:54.560 and swell seven on Twitter rights. If I as barred 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:57.279 to write a song with me, who owns the copyright? 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:01.239 Good question. This is what it's being figured out right 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:05.400 now as we speak. I mean, there's a lot of 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.719 a lot of people using AI now for everything from 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:13.720 first drafts of things to artwork, and it's all being 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:17.919 debated in the communities that are most at stake here 0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:20.520 or have the most steak here. I just did a 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.600 story with some artists that, you know. They're arguing that 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.880 all these generative AI art platforms are being trained using 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.640 artwork that other people made, and so how does that 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.880 factor into it? And it's really some interesting questions. I 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.440 think Hollywood's also trying to figure it out with script writing, 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.000 but as of right now, seems like the WGA is 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:44.600 saying that if AI is used to start the script, 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:47.840 the person who actually sort of polishes things up or 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:51.560 writes it after that is the person who is the 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:53.799 writer of it, and you don't even have to give 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:55.560 credit to AI. So there's a lot of things that 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:57.399 are going to be figured out here. I don't think 0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:00.600 it's going to happen overnight, because anytime you have technology, 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.920 it's always sort of ahead of the rules and regulations 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:06.719 and laws and so. But when there's money at sake, yes, 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:10.680 people will figure it out. Turtis is in Fountain Valley, California. Turtis, 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:11.640 you're on with Rich. 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:15.439 I Rich, thank you for taking my call. 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:18.600 Yeah, what's on your mind? 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:23.000 So what happened is I have some fluorescent lights in 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:28.680 my kitchen and they grew up in the ceiling and 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:34.440 I replaced them as Elie okay, And since I replaced him, 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:39.440 and that was only about two weeks ago, it's interfering 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:43.719 with some of the some of the channels that we get, 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.200 not all of them, but just some of them. Now, 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:51.800 I didn't know it was an nine filter that I 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:52.520 could put in. 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:58.239 To stop that, or or what might be. 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:01.840 What kind of lights are they? And what type of 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.320 TV reception are we talking about? Were talking over the 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:05.360 air antenna? 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:10.120 Yeah, we have a haven't having an old type antenna 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.960 up in the attic that was up there when I 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.040 bought the house site thirty five years ago. 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.520 Oh wow, so we're just using that. 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:24.280 Uh, you know, we did HDTV of course, and usually 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:31.960 we get decent signals. But once I put those LEDs in. Uh, 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.920 it's been interfering with the signals? 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.160 How how does it happen? So you turn on so 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.680 you've got the TV tunto a channel, You turn on 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.880 the LED lights and what happens? Everything just starts going haywire, 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:46.160 it goes. 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:51.320 It just goes to a like a background of a picture, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.400 and then it just says, no signals. 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.600 Wow. You turn the lights off. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.719 And you know in a few sections it will come 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:01.640 back onto the to the channel. 0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:07.280 Okay. Well, I mean LEDs uh could emit some electromagnetic 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:10.239 radiation according to some of the research I'm seeing. So, 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.560 but I would think that modern bulbs would be shielded 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:18.520 enough to not make that happen in such a pronounced way. 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.719 So what I would think is what types of lights 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:23.080 are these? 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:24.640 Uh? 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:29.080 They're they're LED, but they're not the two types that 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.480 were there linear or three feet long okay, all of 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.400 them in the ceiling in the kitchen, in a reverse 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:40.360 soft type thing like about eight or ten inches of Okay. 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.640 So these are these are pretty sizable light bulbs and 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:46.200 this is a sizable array. And it also sounds like 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.919 are they underneath the antenna as well as the antenna. 0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:50.600 On top of them right now. 0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:55.960 Unfortunately, the antenna wires. You know, we have like three 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.719 different connections in our house, and so antenna comes out 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.239 and there's a split or and then it goes to 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.960 the other ones in the house and unfortunately right on 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:07.719 top of ord. 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:08.160 Yeah. 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:11.920 Okay, well, okay, so's a couple of things maybe you 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.200 can try. I don't think you want to replace all 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.239 the lights because that's that's gonna be a problem. But 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:20.399 maybe can use like a higher gauge wire that's maybe 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.600 more shielded. Like, is there like a better cable you 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.920 can use that that you can run up there or 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:26.920 is that not an option? 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.160 You mean as far as the TV cable. 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.920 Yeah, exactly, like the cable that's yeah, that might be 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:35.200 your best bet to start. 0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:38.680 There, a shielded, shielded TV cable. 0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:42.000 Yeah, I would try that first, and and try that 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.279 and maybe maybe even if you can get up in 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:48.239 the ceiling and uh just re route where that cable goes, 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.279 maybe keep it, you know, more towards the edge of 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.279 the house or more towards the sides. But I would 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.360 try to get like maybe a thicker cable that is 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:58.880 more shielded to to sort of shield off some of 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.600 the radiation that's coming out of these light bulbs. But 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:05.799 also I'd be a little concerned standing under these light 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:10.839 bulbs if they're causing this much interference with your TV set, 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.200 because that could be a problem as well. But turnus 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.279 good question, really really something I haven't thought of. But 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:19.920 I mean, the only thing I could kind of relate 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:24.120 is with the Wi Fi connections using the microwave. People 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.200 don't realize how much the microwave could impact your Wi Fi. 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:29.120 So if you're having trouble with your WiFi, could be 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:33.080 your microwave. Coming up next, we are visiting Outer Edge LA. 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:37.040 This is an nftxpo. Rich on Tech Coming up next, 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:43.480 rich DeMuro here, rich on Tech, Welcome back to the show. Recently, 0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:46.759 I went to Outer EDGELA, a festival that celebrates the 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:51.799 future of the Internet. We're talking Web three stuff like crypto, NFTs, 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:55.399 and the blockchain. First I talked to Outer Edge LA 0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:57.120 co founder Josh Kreeger. 0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:00.759 We wanted to create an innovation vessel this celebrate all 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:04.360 the incredible converging technologies that are kind of coming together 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:07.640 in this special moment in time, and we just think 0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:10.359 LA is the app center of so much creativity from 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:16.120 high technology to art, entertainment, music, fashion, comedy. 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.600 It all happens here, and so we want to bring 0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:18.840 all of. 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.600 Those communities together and talk about where this is all 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:22.000 is going. 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:25.720 And so, explain to me what's an NFT. 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:27.600 Yeah, So the. 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.920 Technical sort of definition, it's a non fungible token. But 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:33.120 I like to ask a couple of questions when someone 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.520 asked me that question, It's like, is there anything in 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:37.720 the world physically that you collect? 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:38.040 Right? 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.240 Is there any group that you're a member of? Usually 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:44.800 the answer for ninety percent of the world is yes. Essentially, 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.320 what we're doing is we're offering a digital sort of 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:52.120 sort of value right of some sort of IP or 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:57.160 some sort of ownership, digital ownership that's verifiable using blockchain 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:58.840 technology and smart contracts. 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.480 How far have you come with this technology over the 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:03.440 past couple of years since we started hearing about it? 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.360 Oh man, you know, there's a lot of analogies, like 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.960 one day in web three it might be like seven weeks, 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:12.040 or one month is like seven years. 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:13.239 It's been an. 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:17.120 Incredible rapid explosion of innovation, and it's come a long way, 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:18.280 but it's still the first inning. 0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:22.080 A lot of people are like well, where's all this going? 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.080 Was this a bubble? We don't really see it that way. 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.800 We see it as sort of an experimentation phase over 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:29.840 the last year and a half and now it's about 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:30.520 real utility. 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:32.680 The reason we're doing this event and calling it out. 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:34.960 Of edge LA is to sort of talk about the 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.520 real use cases for brands, for membership groups, and for 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:39.640 society as a whole. 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:41.520 And we just see that as the beginning. 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:44.440 Where do you see the interest lie with when Crypto's up, 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:46.080 cryptos down with NFTs. 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:48.360 Well, what I would say is that there's just been 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:52.800 volatility in the markets globally, right, and so obviously smaller 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:56.840 markets have more volatility, and crypto is a smaller market 0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:00.520 relatively speaking to the macroeconomy. At the same same time, 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:04.520 I see the interest has been more focused on sort 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.920 of the everyday use cases which we're talking about here. 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:11.640 So yes, like we've kind of gotten rid of a 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:14.080 layer of speculation in the market and that has made 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:16.400 the market relative, you know, I would say a little 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.000 bit smaller than it was, say a year ago, but 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.440 now it's growing again with people that are looking at 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:22.240 true utility. 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.880 Next, I met up with Nihar Nilakante who runs Ecosapiens. 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:31.200 Ecosapiens is the world's first carbon backed NFT and it's 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:32.880 a digital piece. It's a piece of digital art that 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.160 offsets your entire years worth of carbon footprint and just 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:35.600 one click. 0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:36.800 How do you do that? 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:39.760 We work with a carbon project developer in Kenya, so 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:43.240 we're actually working with a Kenyan soil carbon project. We 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:46.200 bring those credits on chain, right onto the blockchain ethereum, 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:49.160 and we disguise it as a piece of digital art 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:49.960 called Ecosapian. 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.120 And how much does something like this cost me for 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:55.760 the year? About one thousand dollars And what's the impact? 0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:58.480 It's sixteen tons of carbon and more so, it's an 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.920 entire year's worth of carbon fort right all your flights, 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.800 you know, miles, et cetera. And it ends up planning 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:08.120 over eight hundred trees and just let first go. You know, 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.160 I come from a climate background, actually an in venture capital, 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:14.200 and when I was thinking about how climate changed to 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.640 be better addressed in society, a lot of it came 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.640 down to sort of tokenization of carbon credits and just 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.240 you know, using NFTs as a way to get people 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:25.240 to make an impact. And that was really the opportunity 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.240 for me is like maybe you could get people, Maybe 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.160 you could create a way for people to make an 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.760 impact on the planet if you disguise impact as you know. 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:33.080 Art. 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:37.320 Sanjay Ragavon is with a startup called Roofstock. They're building 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:41.240 a system that lets you buy rental properties one online 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:42.680 via NFTs. 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:45.840 About eighteen months back, we started a web three division 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.400 to make it faster, easier and more transparent to buy 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:52.840 and sell dental properties. And so our web three division 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.960 allows you to actually buy a real rental property in 0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:59.800 the US using NFT technologies, and you can also get 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:03.040 alone on the blockchain, so and the whole process can 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.120 be done in a few minutes as opposed to the 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:08.040 several weeks it takes to buy a house in the US, 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.520 whereas here on the blockchain, you can instantaneously become a 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:14.760 property owner. And we've actually sold three of these so far. 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:18.400 This is on open Sea. We sold one last week. 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:23.920 This property is located in Georgia suburb of Atlanta, and 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.200 it's sold for two hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. But 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.920 it literally took minutes to close this property. And it's 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.080 a physical property, it's a real property. Yeah, what do 1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:33.040 you think this means for the future of real estate? So, 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.360 you know, I kind of compare it to the world 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.560 where we used to hail a yellow cap to go 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:40.200 to the airport before and then lift an uber came 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:44.080 along and that changed everything. Ultimately, I think the convenience 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:47.640 of getting something faster, cheaper, and just a much more 1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:50.000 pleasant experience for the buyer is going to make a 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:52.160 lot of difference. The fact that we've now done this 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:54.880 as a pilot, we've sold a few homes proofs that 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:57.680 it can be done in a legally compliant manner, and 1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:00.120 we hope that this kind of technology catches on and 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:02.040 more and more people see the benefits are doing this 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:02.760 way in the future. 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:05.720 Digital art is still a big use case for NFTs. 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:10.200 Nadia Tiger is with Snark dot r. They're selling NFT 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:12.120 art that changes over time. 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:18.200 With dynamic and FTS, it's a co creation process. You 1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:23.200 as a collector, become a part of the final artwork. 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.000 So why would someone want to own something like this? 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:31.000 Why people want to own art? It's the same like 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:39.000 for what they did for thousands of years, people collected sculptures, paintings, 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:42.160 and now there is a digital era that we are 1:01:42.360 --> 1:01:47.320 entering with such an interesting angle with blockchain technology. That's 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:52.360 still a niche, but we are still on the surface. 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:57.080 I believe of this what actually blockchain technology could provide 1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:57.840 for art. 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.160 Finally, I talked to jack O Hollering of Scale Labs 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:05.040 about the ups and downs of all things digital. How's 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:07.600 the NFT market changed in the past year or so, 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:08.560 you know, I. 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:09.560 Think it's really maturing. 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:12.760 From the outside optically, it may look like it's shrunk 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:15.680 and that it's gotten smaller, but it's actually the real 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:18.400 growth is really coming forward. So the people here today 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:21.720 are real builders. They're building with real use cases for NFTs. 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:23.760 I think a year ago was more like what can 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:26.280 we turn into an NFT? And now it's what can 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:28.920 an NFT do? And so the utility and the core 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:32.120 functional value is the center focus at this event. 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:35.200 And so what should the average person, what should they 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:36.720 know about this market? 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:37.680 Yeah? 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:41.280 I think I think the same rules apply. Look for value, 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:44.160 look for real use cases. And I think there are 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:46.480 a lot of NFTs that were quick money grabs, and 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:49.560 I say steer clear of those. But there are other 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:53.120 amazing NFT projects launching that don't even say that the 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:55.400 product is an NFT and they use the core values 1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:58.000 of the tech. So my advice is look for those 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:01.000 types of applications, those types of use case. If you're 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:03.600 interested in NFTs, want to own NFTs or leverage them or. 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.120 Use them, And what is the core value of this technology? 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:09.000 One is immutable ownership. 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:10.520 So if you have an NFT, it's yours. 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:13.840 The other from a user perspective, and you can get 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:18.400 gated entry, special access, special access in games or in 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:21.240 different online communities or in the real world at ticketing 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:23.520 and events, et cetera. But from a build or a 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:26.560 creator side, you can actually open up to a global 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:30.360 marketplace and capture royalties in an automated fashion. And so 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:32.880 I may create an NFT, you buy it, and you 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.160 sell it to someone else in an automated way. I'm 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.080 able to capture royalties without you needing to be at 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:41.000 my storefront. So it opens up economies and it smooths 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:47.800 out the economic principles in trading and essentially creating a 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:49.120 more effective and efficient market. 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.200 So compared it to like a baseball card. 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:54.320 Yeah, well, baseball cards are great. There's a huge secondary 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:57.360 market for baseball cards. There are NFTs that are like 1:03:57.440 --> 1:04:00.280 baseball cards. But imagine if that same baseball card let 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.880 you buy season tickets before people who didn't have that card, 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:04.960 They can give you discounts when you came to the game, 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:07.680 you had discounts on merchandise for your favorite team if 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.120 you held that card. These are and if I wanted 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:11.640 to sell it, I didn't have to go talk to 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:12.920 the team, I could just sell it to you. And 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:15.600 the team is actually going to capture revenue during that 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:19.000 transfer and not try to mitigate me my ability to. 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:21.520 Sell it or my ability to own it. So is 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:24.520 this exciting for the future of things? 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:28.000 But my prediction is that we're going to see NFTs 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.600 living across all of the products we use, but we're 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:31.720 not going to call them NFTs. 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:33.360 There are going to be new names for them. 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:35.920 The value will come from the intrinsic value and the 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.680 utility value of the products, as opposed to the speculative 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:40.640 hype which we saw in this last wave for. 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:44.040 The market cycle. To see my TV segment on Outer 1:04:44.200 --> 1:04:48.160 Edge LA, go to rich on Tech dot TV more 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:59.160 rich On Tech after this, Welcome back to rich On Tech. 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:01.720 Rich to Mirror so here a tech reporter at KTLA 1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:06.560 Channel five in Los Angeles hanging out with you talking technology. 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:09.840 By the way, if you want to watch my TV segments, 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:13.680 which I cover a variety of tech topics, you can 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:17.040 just go to Rich on tech dot tv. I've got 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:20.800 a cool YouTube playlist of all of the stories that 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:23.360 I do. It's all it runs the gamut, all kinds 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:25.480 of stuff. I mean that NFT expo you just heard 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:28.240 me at. I did a video piece there so you 1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:31.240 can see, you know, bring that to life. What else 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:35.520 I've got all kinds of We interview a lot of people, 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:38.800 a lot of like a wide range from apps. Let's see. 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.040 I went to the Student Television Network conference, which is 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:43.960 just kind of fun for me. We talked about last 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:47.360 week the self heating baby bottle, home pod speaker review. 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:51.280 Got my lucid EV review, not really a review, it's 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:53.600 just more of like a look see on that one. 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:58.200 All kinds of good information anyway, All at richon tech 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:02.440 dot tv. Chris is in Miami, Chris, You're on. 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:05.920 With Rich Hey Rich, good afternoon, stir. 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:07.960 Thank you for having me on. We appreciate it. 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:09.480 Thank you so much. I love your radio show. 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:11.280 By the way, well, thank you. That means a lot. 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:13.480 But what's it like in Miami right now because it 1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:16.440 just finally stopped raining in uh Los Angeles. 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:20.560 Yeah, I've been paying attention to the well KFI am 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:24.520 down there in LA as they were talking about the 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:28.560 snow recently and lots of rain and flooding and building 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:30.560 an arch and so you know, usually all the fun 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:31.560 stuff that you get up. 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:33.800 On the radio down the well, it doesn't that's usually 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:36.760 not what happens here. When it rains here, everyone goes 1:06:36.840 --> 1:06:39.440 nuts because it never rains and so we're just not prepared. 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:42.000 Like people don't even have like roofs out here in 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.480 Los Angeles because it's just all sunny. You don't need them. 1:06:44.800 --> 1:06:47.680 So now I'm just kidding, but you know what I mean, 1:06:47.800 --> 1:06:49.840 It's like we just don't even think about this stuff 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:51.920 until it rains. You're like, oh no, I got to 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:55.440 bring in the furniture outside like people live like anyway, 1:06:55.560 --> 1:06:58.440 there's just it's indoor outdoor living here. Like people literally 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:01.400 have their backyards set up as like you know inside 1:07:01.480 --> 1:07:04.600 like there's carpets and stuff because it doesn't rain that much. Anyway, 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:06.600 I digress. What's on your mind? 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:08.000 Chris? Now? 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:11.320 You know what I wanted to just drop into your 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:13.560 world for a few minutes, and getting on air was 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:14.120 very easy. 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:16.120 It was a pleasant and really pleasant experience for me. 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:19.160 But I just wanted to find out I certainly have 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:22.640 a WiFi right so I have the first generation Wi 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:25.160 Fi router, and I have. 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:28.000 All new cats, you know, iphons, iPad, Apple. 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:31.760 Watches, Imax, etc. But looking at the Google Wi Fi routers, 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:34.920 they have the new one with the Wi Fi sixteen, 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:37.520 and then they had the one before that, which has 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:40.240 the potential for being good, but it's it's hiring cont 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:43.120 actually than their newer ones. But a lot of routers 1:07:43.160 --> 1:07:45.320 on the market. Wanted to throw it at you, see 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:48.040 if you could toss me something back the ideas on 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:50.720 do I need to be using sixty right now? I'm 1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:52.000 thinking planning for the future. 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:53.520 That sounds like a good idea. 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:55.400 In the interim, I. 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:57.200 Don't know, So I figured i'd see what you have 1:07:57.320 --> 1:07:58.880 to say about it and then don't have to. 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:00.560 Keep me very long on the car. Just wanted to 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:01.440 ask a couple of questions. 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:04.440 But all right, good, good question. This is definitely a 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:07.240 topic that a lot of people are curious about because 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:10.440 and I sort of talked about these mesh routers earlier 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.640 but they are very popular because it used to be 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:16.720 had one router in the center of your house. Your 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:19.400 cable company probably gave it to you, and it would 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:22.639 put the signal out and it basically never ever reached 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:25.120 all corners of your home, so there'd always be spots 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:27.760 in your home, dead spots where the Internet just didn't work. 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.040 And this company euro came along and came up with 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:35.360 a mesh Wi Fi router, which uses different access points 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:37.800 that you put in your home, so instead of one router, 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:40.920 you kind of have like three or four sometimes it's two, 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:44.080 maybe three if you have a bigger house, and then 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:46.400 those will work throughout the house and they all connect 1:08:46.439 --> 1:08:50.200 together to make one solid, good signal. So you are 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:55.519 asking specifically about the Google routers, which now I think 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:58.920 it's like the Google Nest. It's let's see what do 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:01.040 they go by. Yeah, Google nets is what they call them. 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:01.800 And so. 1:09:04.320 --> 1:09:07.839 I feel bad saying this because you know, I like Google. 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:10.400 I really love Google Next WiFi Pro that's what they 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:13.519 call them. I love Google, but when it comes to 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:19.280 their products. The problem with Google, Chris, is that Google 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:23.439 is all over the place, and I feel like they 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:26.720 do not put a lot of focus or attention into 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:31.040 things for very long. Not everything, but certain things. And 1:09:31.280 --> 1:09:34.280 so my fear with going with this Nest Wi Fi 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:37.679 Pro is that you purchase it and then Google says, eh, 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:39.960 we're kind of over that, We're not going to support 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:42.519 that anymore. I feel like there's companies out there that 1:09:42.600 --> 1:09:47.360 are a little bit more dedicated to this lineup than Google. 1:09:47.479 --> 1:09:50.360 Google has a lot of stuff out there, and the 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:54.160 Wi Fi routers are just one, so I think you'll 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.840 be fine with them, and I've tested them. They work well, 1:09:57.320 --> 1:10:00.679 they're nice, they look pretty good. I haven't speci tested 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:03.000 this latest version that you're talking about, the Wi Fi 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:07.040 Pro with six to E, but I personally use EUO 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:11.720 E ER. They sort of invented the genre, and they 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:14.920 are now owned by Amazon, which that's not my favorite. 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:18.679 But the good news is I don't think that Euro's 1:10:18.760 --> 1:10:22.200 going away anytime soon, or that Amazon's going to lose 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:25.000 interest in them anytime soon, because it's it's a pretty 1:10:25.040 --> 1:10:27.320 big business at this point, and it's a pretty viable 1:10:27.400 --> 1:10:30.280 business and it's a pretty well known name. So I 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.559 personally would probably look at Euro first and foremost if 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:36.640 you have a problem with Amazon owning it. I mean 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:38.639 if you're going with Google, then I don't think you would. 1:10:39.160 --> 1:10:41.400 But the cool thing about Eero too is that they 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:43.800 just have a lot of products and a lot of 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:48.440 these things work together. They work pretty well. The downside 1:10:48.560 --> 1:10:50.840 is that they can be expensive, and these things are 1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:52.720 not cheap. So if you look at the different euro 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:56.880 they do have a Wi Fi a six E, which 1:10:57.520 --> 1:10:59.479 I don't necessarily think you need right now. But if 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:01.720 you're buying this system and wanting it to last for 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:05.719 the next couple of years, which generally we don't switch 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.519 out Wi Fi very often, so the sixty might be 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:09.840 a good way to go, but you're going to pay 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:11.160 a lot for that. I mean you're looking at a 1:11:11.200 --> 1:11:13.720 three pack is four hundred and eleven dollars, a two 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:17.599 pack is three hundred. So the thing about these different 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.680 systems too, the higher you get, the more internet they 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:24.280 can handle. So if you're getting say a four hundred 1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:29.280 megabit connection from your internet company, you probably don't need 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:32.240 these pro models. But if you're getting a gig and above, 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:34.519 that's when you want to get into these pro models 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:36.680 because they can they can handle that higher bandwidth. So 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:39.479 that's really the delineation there. Now, if you want something 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:42.040 that's that's much cheaper and a company that I like, 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:44.519 and I think they're doing a really good job. It's 1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:48.400 called Villo Vlo and these are some folks that deflected 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:52.080 from other companies that used to build this stuff. And 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:56.120 you can look at their biography and their their company 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:58.320 history to see what I mean by that. But they've 1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:01.000 got some smart people working at this company that I 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:03.160 think is doing a really good job, and it's a 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:06.439 lot less expensive. And I think the main thing that 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:10.600 may not be as slick with the Villo routers that 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:13.680 you would get with something like Ero or Google is 1:12:13.760 --> 1:12:17.479 the software. And I think the software leaves a little 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.080 bit to be desired. But the functionality of the system 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:22.720 is actually really good, especially for how inexpensive it is. 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:25.559 So if you look at their Wi Fi six system, 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:28.240 it's one hundred and fifty five bucks for a two 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:31.600 pack and that's probably going to be pretty good. And 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:34.719 I've tested this one personally. It's very good. The speeds 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:38.120 are very good, it works really well, and so if 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:40.080 you want something that's a little bit cheaper, that might 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:42.400 be the way to go. If you want it really inexpensive, 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:45.639 you can just go with their original that's ninety nine 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:49.200 dollars for a three pack. So a three pack Villo 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:52.920 Mesh Wi Fi system ninety nine bucks and you're not 1:12:52.960 --> 1:12:54.800 gonna have any dead zones in your house because I've 1:12:54.840 --> 1:12:57.960 tested this personally and it works really well. It's fast, 1:12:58.400 --> 1:13:01.639 it's efficient, and it does what you need. So Chris, 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:04.360 you're asking my opinion, that's how I would rank it. 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:07.960 I personally would go with Ero, then Villo, then Google. 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:09.880 And it's not that I don't love Google. I do 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:11.760 like what they do. I just feel like with their 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:15.280 software and hardware, or with their hardware specifically, you just 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:18.040 never know. You wake up one morning and Google says, oh, 1:13:18.040 --> 1:13:21.360 we've discontinued our routers and that's it. Now, where's your support, 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:25.360 where's your service? All that stuff? So good question. That's 1:13:25.400 --> 1:13:29.080 what I would do. All right, let's real quick talk 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:32.479 about Twitter. I know this is everyone's favorite topic. I 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:38.680 know two people right now that are actively victims of 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:41.360 being hacked on Twitter. So I don't know if that's 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:45.120 going around right now or if you know Twitter has gone. 1:13:45.160 --> 1:13:47.360 It's almost like a rock tumbler right now, like Twitter 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:49.680 is just all over the place. But the thing you 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:52.960 need to know about Twitter is that two things. Number one, 1:13:53.439 --> 1:13:56.719 you can't verify your account with a text message anymore. 1:13:57.000 --> 1:13:59.439 You need to turn on two factor authentication if you 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:02.240 want to keep using Twitter. The only way you can 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:05.000 do it right now is by using an authentication app. 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:09.800 The apps I recommend our Google Authenticator, Microsoft Authenticator, or 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:13.880 an app called auth the au thy. You sign up 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:16.479 with those programs and instead of getting a text message, 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:20.720 these programs will generate a code every thirty seconds or 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.559 something like that that you can enter into this app 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:26.320 to authorize that it's you trying to log in. If 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:28.559 you don't enter that code, the app will not let 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.519 you log in. You need to turn this on your 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:37.320 Twitter account two factor authentication right now before you get hacked, because, 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:40.280 believe me, these people are looking after these Twitter accounts 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:41.880 because they know there's a change right now, and they 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:44.599 know there's an opportunity to get in there. So please 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:48.080 turn it on. All right, pull line's open eighty to eight. 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:53.720 Rich one oh one, coming back after this. Welcome back 1:14:53.760 --> 1:14:57.799 to Rich on Tech. My name is Rich Demiro, talking 1:14:57.960 --> 1:15:02.519 technology with you. Uh, let's go to Susan in Lancaster, Susan. 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:03.280 You're on with Rich. 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:09.840 Hi, Rich, I have a sister who is she's not 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:17.040 computer phobic, but she's basically a ludite and her computer 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:24.280 is dying. I wanted to find out if a Lenovo 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:29.880 what is it called the Lenovo? Uh, it's a chrome Book. 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:32.639 Hang on, I'll get my thing right here. 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:35.559 I'm driving, so of course nothing's working. 1:15:36.960 --> 1:15:37.600 Yeah, it's the. 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:38.840 Five to one like. 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:45.320 Sorry, and so it's a it's a Lenovo Chromebook. Basically, 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:47.760 I don't want you to distract. 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:51.879 From driving there by the idea flex five. 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:55.560 One Okay, Uh, so and so, and you're getting this 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:57.880 as a gift for someone, Well. 1:15:58.040 --> 1:16:01.280 No, I'm I'm I'm helping her to get a new computer, 1:16:01.600 --> 1:16:04.120 and I want to get her something that's really really 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:12.120 easy intuitive, and the speed and the capabilities aren't that important. 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:12.400 Okay. 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:17.200 You know she goes online and she does email and 1:16:17.280 --> 1:16:17.840 stuff like that. 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.479 Okay, and this is you said this a Chromebook, right? 1:16:21.680 --> 1:16:21.880 Yeah? 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:23.840 Yeah, I mean, look, I think that's the way to 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:29.160 go for someone who is not necessarily can computer savvy. Now, 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.320 don't get me wrong, Chromebooks are great. I mean there's 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:34.640 you can do pretty much ninety nine percent of what 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:37.160 we do on the computers these days is through a 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:41.080 web browser, and a chromebook is basically a glorified web browser. 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:45.160 And what's nice about it is that there's no viruses 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:48.680 to worry about. The software is super simple. It's it's 1:16:48.680 --> 1:16:51.759 pretty much always up to date. Like there's no lengthy 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.960 software update installation kind of situations, you know, if there's 1:16:55.960 --> 1:16:57.800 ever an update, it just pretty much puts a little 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:00.800 notification in the corner saying, hey, start your computer to 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:03.000 bring it up to date. And you say, okay, which 1:17:03.000 --> 1:17:07.040 I think your friend can handle. The only thing I question, 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:09.880 do they need a computer or they be okay with 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:12.799 a lap a tablet like a like just like an iPad? 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:14.840 Or is that too complication? 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:19.080 She has an iPad but manipulating stuff. I mean she 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:24.480 does sometimes write stuff. And I don't think the keyboards 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:27.840 on the tabs are all that great. 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:29.720 No, I would agree with that. If you're if you're 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:32.000 if you want a keyboard and you want to type, 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:35.439 I think that the computer, like the laptop form factor 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.360 is still the best for that. Yeah, so I would 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:40.320 agree with that. I would agree with that. Now, how 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:43.479 did you land upon this specific Lenovo? 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:47.040 Well, I was I was just and around looking at 1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:50.640 different options, and I saw that you can get this 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:54.760 kind of thing for you know, under three around three 1:17:54.880 --> 1:17:59.599 hundred dollars, Yeah, which is amazing. So rather than get 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:02.280 a whole computer, I thought, well, maybe that's the way. 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:03.960 To go for that for that price. 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:09.320 Yeah, and again the chromebooks are are quite inexpensive. There 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:11.120 are some that are even cheaper than that. But I 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:14.720 would say to get a decent spect out system, you 1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:17.439 probably want something that's you know, at least three hundred 1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:20.320 maybe four hundred depends. But you said, it doesn't really 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:23.240 matter with the capabilities. As long as they can get 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:25.679 online and do their email and all that good stuff, 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:27.880 it's going to handle that. It's really when you try 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:29.600 to do things like you know, when it comes to 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:31.840 zoom and the video conferencing, that could be a little 1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:39.560 bit slower. Okay, she's not no way, okay, so no, 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:43.080 no zoom. She's not doing you know, sixteen call, sixteen 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:44.080 person calls. 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:47.200 No, she's not editing videos or anything like. 1:18:47.360 --> 1:18:49.639 Okay, Yeah, then I think this will be just fine. 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:51.439 I think that, uh, you know, if you want to 1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:55.360 see some recommended chromebooks. You know, I've been playing with 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:58.439 the Acer five fourteen. I really like that one. It 1:18:58.560 --> 1:19:00.800 might be a little it's probably a little more expensive, 1:19:00.960 --> 1:19:03.519 so maybe not. But acer is A is a well 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:09.000 known chromebook manufacturer. Lenovo definitely known for chromebooks as well. 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.960 Those are probably the two biggest brands that I would 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:14.080 recommend for those things. 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:19.360 So great, Yeah, great, okay, thank you so much. 1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:21.080 That was exactly what I needed to know. 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:24.320 All right, Susan, enjoy and uh, you know, give your 1:19:24.320 --> 1:19:26.560 friends some lessons on uh, you know, get them on, 1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:29.240 like you know, some of these different things that you do. 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:31.040 You sound like you're a little bit more savvy. 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:32.640 So well, I've been on. 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:37.120 I've been working with computers since the early eighties, so okay, 1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:40.160 I could tell I had I had the first. 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:44.920 Oh wow, that's that's going back. That's the that's like 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:47.840 the Mac that was named after like Steve Steve, right, 1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:49.439 isn't that like the old Mac computer? 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:53.720 Yeah, it was the first. It's pre uh you know, 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:57.799 pre the uh the little one where you needed the disc. 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:01.439 Oh my gosh wow. Yeah, I mean I'm not going 1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:04.800 back that old, but I remember like the floppy drive, 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:08.320 and I remember having like megabytes of information on a 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:10.720 floppy like I mean now, the fact that I just 1:20:10.800 --> 1:20:12.960 downloaded yesterday an app to my phone. It was like 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:16.040 ninety megabytes on my phone and I'm like, this is 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:18.160 wild to think that this came to my phone in 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:21.320 about three seconds versus back in the day you'd run 1:20:21.400 --> 1:20:24.040 your whole computer on a hard drive that was like 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:27.400 twenty megabytes and this little tiny flash drive that carried 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:30.120 you know, a couple of megabytes of data. So we've 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:32.000 come a long way in our in our lifetimes. 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:35.639 Yeah, we sure had well. Back on with a baby Mac, 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:41.360 it literally had to take a disc in and out. 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:44.960 To run a program, you'd have to take take. 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:45.920 The main disc out. 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:48.960 Oh yeah, it's a new disc in and run it 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:49.320 from there. 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:51.519 Was but it was so cute that you did. 1:20:52.400 --> 1:20:55.320 Well, we have certainly come a long way. It's it's 1:20:55.400 --> 1:20:57.360 for the better or for the worse. Have you gotten 1:20:57.400 --> 1:20:58.080 on TikTok or. 1:20:58.080 --> 1:21:01.240 Anything like that, because that's say, no, I'm not, I 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:02.679 stay off social media. 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:04.840 Well I don't nothing. 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:07.200 You'd probably you'd probably get a kick out of Like 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:08.960 even if you went on YouTube and just kind of 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:10.160 search for that Lisa computer. 1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:10.599 It might. 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:14.200 Yeah, I was gonna say that might bring back some memories. 1:21:15.240 --> 1:21:20.639 Yeah right, all right, Susan, were you headed? You said 1:21:20.640 --> 1:21:21.639 you're in the car. Where are you going? 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:26.360 Yeah, I'm going down to Brentwood to an organizing client. 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:28.479 I go and help her organize. 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:31.880 Nice. I used to live in that area. Very nice. Okay, Well, 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:35.040 enjoy Enjoy the beauty of Brentwood, California. 1:21:37.479 --> 1:21:38.720 From Brentwood Golf Course. 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.720 I used to run around that all the time. Enjoy. Yeah, 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:44.040 oh yeah, many many times. 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:45.000 Yeah. 1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:47.560 All right, Susan, thanks so much for calling. Appreciate it. 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:49.639 And thanks for helping out your friend. That's uh, that's 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:51.519 a good friend. When you help them pick out a computer, 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:54.400 that's always always good. All Right, We've got more of 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:57.360 the show coming up. Phone lines are open triple eight 1:21:57.520 --> 1:22:00.200 Rich one on one eight eight eight seven four two 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:03.680 for one zero one. I don't do a lot of 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:07.280 different activities, but I do run. That's my main thing. 1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:11.000 So you will see me running pretty much all over 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:12.240 in any city I go to. 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:12.360 It. 1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:14.240 It's the only thing you can do in any city 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:16.280 that you go to. You can just go out your hotel, 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:18.600 take a run, and you know you don't need to 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:21.280 have any equipment. It's awesome. All right. My name is 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:24.720 Rich Debiro more rich on tech coming up after this. 1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:31.240 Welcome back to Rich on tech rich on tech dot 1:22:31.400 --> 1:22:35.240 TV is my website eight eight eight rich one oh 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:39.760 one eight eight eight seven four to two four one 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:44.120 zero one. Man, we got a lot of calls. Should 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:46.320 I take some calls? Or should I do a story? 1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:48.720 I feel like I need to do this. Let's see, 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:53.320 let's do the story. Uh. Verizon free trial. This is 1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:55.360 brand new. If you want to try Verizon, if you've 1:22:55.360 --> 1:22:59.040 been wondering is Verizon right for me? You can try 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:02.000 thirty days of service for free, and you can sign 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:05.280 up right from your phone. I would say it's simple, 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:06.840 but I tried to do it for my phone and 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:10.360 my phone got stuck, so I wasn't able to actually 1:23:10.439 --> 1:23:13.519 get this to work. But I'm telling you because it 1:23:13.760 --> 1:23:16.000 will probably work on your phone. I got to try 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:18.960 this again. But if you have an unlocked mobile phone 1:23:19.360 --> 1:23:21.840 that means that you've paid off your phone, or you 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:24.320 have an unlocked phone to begin with, you can sign 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:28.840 up by downloading the my Verizon app. And once you 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:31.360 download the app, right on the home screen, it will say, hey, 1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:33.800 you want to try a free trial if it recognizes 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:36.960 that your phone is capable. And this uses what's called 1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:39.880 an eSIM, and eSIM is the whole new thing that 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:43.240 everyone's using now. It's a simcard that is virtual, it's 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.000 in your phone. You don't need one of those little 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:47.439 kind of cards anymore on your phone that you plug 1:23:47.520 --> 1:23:51.360 in or pop in. I guess I should say everyone's 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:54.320 going into these eSIMs. So you can literally activate your 1:23:54.360 --> 1:23:57.080 phone right from the app. It will give you thirty 1:23:57.160 --> 1:24:02.400 days of Verizon five G service, unlimited talking text, up 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:05.200 to one hundred gigs of four G or five G data, 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:11.400 and either four EIGHTYP streaming on four G or four 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:15.040 K streaming if you have five GUW, which not every 1:24:15.080 --> 1:24:17.400 phone supports, but if it does, it'll pick that up 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:20.439 and you'll get four K video at any time during 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:22.639 your thirty day free trial. You can easily transfer your 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:25.599 existing number to Verizon and pick from one of their plans. 1:24:26.280 --> 1:24:28.320 But this this is new. So this is kind of 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.160 like a new trend we're seeing with all of these 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:34.880 wireless networks because they're all using e sims. It's very 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:37.720 easy for them to offer a free trial, and so 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:40.880 you can sign up either online or right from your phone. 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:43.439 And I think I know that T Mobile does it. 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:45.880 I know that Verizon does it. I'm not sure if 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:47.240 AT and T does it, but a lot of the 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:49.160 MV and o's do it as well. So you can 1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:53.920 get a free trial test run right from your phone. 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:55.519 And I've done this on a couple of them. One 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:57.600 of them is US Mobile. I signed up for that 1:24:57.680 --> 1:25:00.439 one and as signed up, it took me like minute 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:03.160 and I you know, your phone is activated instantly. So 1:25:03.840 --> 1:25:05.840 again I put links to everything I mentioned. I'm doing 1:25:05.920 --> 1:25:07.800 a really good job now of doing the links to 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:10.599 everything I mentioned on the website rich on tech dot TV. 1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:13.640 Once the podcast is published of the show, it'll have 1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:17.200 everything you need in the show notes, so look for that. 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:24.400 All right, Let's go to Gloria in the Sand Fernando Valley, 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.719 where it's always Sonny except for the past couple weeks. 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:29.360 How you doing, Gloria? 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:34.519 Okay, thanks for calling in. 1:25:34.720 --> 1:25:35.720 What's what's on your mind? 1:25:36.840 --> 1:25:39.920 I need a new phone. This one keeps fading in 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:43.400 and out when I talk to people. And not only that, 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:47.559 it takes terrible pictures. It's a Moto G It really 1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:51.599 is terrible. And there's another question. 1:25:52.520 --> 1:25:54.960 The two questions, what is this the two for one show? 1:25:55.960 --> 1:26:00.800 That's what's the other question? I have an answer for 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:02.599 the first one, so that's pretty easy. But go ahead. 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:03.439 What's your second question? 1:26:04.200 --> 1:26:08.240 Then I go on site and I'm putting in like 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:14.200 frankstance just now when you suggested that aufie, I tried 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:18.200 to do that and I gave it my g le 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:22.120 me see Yahoo account and it said no, it didn't 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:26.000 accept it. And I thought, I'm new to you. How 1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:30.599 do you know I have another account? And so they 1:26:30.680 --> 1:26:34.720 seem to always know I have a Gmail account and 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:37.920 they pretty much want the Gmail account instead of the 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:38.920 Yahoo account. 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:39.280 Number. 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:43.320 Well, that makes sense because Gmail's superior to Yahoo. Male, 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:46.040 so I get that. Uh, maybe they're just trying to 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:48.000 say this is more secure. But let's get your first 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:50.920 question first. The phone. So you've got a Moto G. 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:54.320 I think you would be better served with a Pixel 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:57.040 six A. Have you heard of this phone? The Pixel? 1:26:58.280 --> 1:26:58.879 The pixel? 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:02.160 Okay, I had a Pixel a while back and it 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:03.000 did take. 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:03.840 Really good Yeah. 1:27:04.000 --> 1:27:06.680 Sure, it takes fantastic pictures. This is the phone that 1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:09.559 I trust with my own mom, So if it's good 1:27:09.640 --> 1:27:11.680 enough for her, I think that I can recommend this 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:15.200 to pretty much anyone. The Pixel six A is uh 1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:19.559 is three hundred dollars. Here's the thing, though, they are 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:21.800 actually coming out with a new version of this, the 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:25.280 Pixel seven A, which we believe is going to be 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:29.200 announced in May. So if you can wait a couple months, 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:32.360 you can get the latest, greatest version. But if you 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:34.160 don't want to wait, I still think the six A 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:37.599 is a fantastic phone. So the only downside i'd say 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:40.599 is probably the fingerprint sensor could be a little bit better, 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:42.519 and so maybe they fixed that with the new one. 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:46.200 But I think you'd be fine with this six A. 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:48.280 That's the only complaint my mom has is the uh 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:51.160 is the fingerprint sensor, okay? 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:56.280 Because I also the audio when I'm listening to things 1:27:56.920 --> 1:28:01.320 the on news terrible on this motto, I see it 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:02.559 I'm going death. 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:09.040 And my doctor said, well, that's good that doc says 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:11.200 you're not. Because you know, sometimes we wonder like is 1:28:11.240 --> 1:28:12.439 it me or is it this phone? 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:13.040 Uh? 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:16.320 Sometimes with the phones, with the way they're the little 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:19.799 ear pieces, it could be it's not lining up properly 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:22.400 with our ear sometimes and it does sound like it's 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:24.000 you know, if you're not right on your ear in 1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:26.839 the perfect place, that can happen. But I would say overall, 1:28:26.880 --> 1:28:30.320 the Moto G is probably not the best phone out there. 1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:33.880 So even at three hundred dollars for this Pixel six A, 1:28:34.120 --> 1:28:37.080 I think you're gonna have a much much better experience, Gloria, 1:28:37.160 --> 1:28:39.519 because not only are gonna get the better pictures, you're 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:42.880 gonna get better software. You're gonna get I think the 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:45.240 audio on this phone will be fine, and I think 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:48.040 that you're just gonna like the experience so much better. 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:49.479 And it's. 1:28:51.160 --> 1:28:53.280 Like you've talked about, I can wait. 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:55.040 Yeah, I mean, if you can wait for the seven A. 1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:56.560 The problem is the seven A is going to be 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:59.720 more expensive because it's brand new. So this, you know, 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:01.680 six A, I think is a pretty good deal. At 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:04.400 two ninety nine, I think that's pretty much the best 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:05.679 price I've seen on that phone. 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:07.439 That's a good price. 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:11.120 You're right, Yeah, how long have you had this Moto 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:13.200 G A little. 1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:16.479 Over a year? Too long? I kept taking it back 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:20.160 and they kept saying that it's okay, everything is fine. 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:23.559 No, this thing's a limit, and what what's your carrier? 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:28.640 And it didn't matter the carrier because it's changed a 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:32.960 couple of times. I went in the Horizon uh to 1:29:33.640 --> 1:29:39.320 and I when I changed phones, the Verizon refused to 1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:42.720 let me keep my phone numbers, so I wound up 1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:47.080 going to what was it tea Mobile and Team Mobile 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:50.680 was able to get my phone number keep it and 1:29:51.760 --> 1:29:54.000 so I stayed with them for a while. 1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:57.400 And all right, Gloria, I got to run. They're they're 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:00.720 playing playing me off right now. So check out the 1:30:00.720 --> 1:30:02.920 Pixel six A. It'll work with whatever carrier you have 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:05.640 because it is unlocked. Coming up, we are going to 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:10.000 talk to Adobe about shopping insights how you are shopping 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:14.680 online and in store with Adobe analytics. Coming up right 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:18.400 here on rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich On Tech. 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:22.600 Rich Demiro here. My guest is Vivic Pandea. He is 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:26.680 the insights analyst at Adobe. Vivic, thanks for joining. 1:30:26.439 --> 1:30:28.200 Me, great, thanks for having me Rich. 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:32.720 So, I love the findings that Adobe always comes up 1:30:32.800 --> 1:30:35.280 with with their insights. A lot of it is dealing with, 1:30:35.600 --> 1:30:39.639 you know, Black Friday and the shopping seasons, but throughout 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:41.680 the year you come out with stuff, and recently you 1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:46.240 have now looked into sort of buy now, pay later usage. 1:30:46.720 --> 1:30:48.400 Tell me what's going on with that because this is 1:30:48.439 --> 1:30:50.160 something you see on almost every website now. 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:55.479 Cour So, given the inflation effects that are sort of 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:58.360 permeating through the markets and the landscape, the consumers are 1:30:58.400 --> 1:31:02.400 dealing with. We're seeing them continue to drive growth in 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:05.360 Buy Now, Pay Later, so its order share is up 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:09.200 fourteen percent year over year, and we're seeing how that 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:12.439 looks across some of the major categories that run across 1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:18.719 e commerce, so grocery, apparel, electronics, home furniture. I would 1:31:18.720 --> 1:31:21.599 say grocery has been a category that's seen a lot 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:24.800 of inflation, and as a result, we're seeing buy now, 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:29.160 Pay later utilization up forty percent for order share for 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:31.960 those types of buy now, pay later orders, So that's 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:36.040 pretty significant, and it's speaking to consumers trying to stretch 1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:42.120 their budget, drive the sort of purchases and behaviors that 1:31:42.640 --> 1:31:46.240 got entrenched during those pandemic years, those early pandemic years, 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:49.439 and now they're trying to see how online can help 1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:51.920 them save money, help them make payments easier. 1:31:52.960 --> 1:31:55.519 Interesting and it looks like two of the biggest growth 1:31:55.560 --> 1:32:00.920 areas are home furnishings and also grocery, which is interesting 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:05.240 because traditionally you would not think about buying home furnishings online, 1:32:05.280 --> 1:32:07.040 you know, that's something you'd go into a store for. 1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:10.080 And then of course groceries throughout the pandemic that really 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:12.680 increased so we saw over ten percent increase year over 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:16.640 year in both those categories, which is ironic given that 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:19.840 I shop online for groceries and I was looking at 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:23.160 couches the other day as well. Are you saying that 1:32:23.200 --> 1:32:25.599 people are using this buy now, pay later to shop 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:27.760 in those categories or just in general. 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:32.720 Both we're seeing, you know, the shift given inflation from 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:39.080 non essentials to essential categories and necessities that consumers need, 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:41.560 and home furniture kind of sits on the cusp of that. 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:43.920 There are some items that are nice to have for 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:47.720 the home, others that feel more like necessities, and in 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:50.479 order to make your home comfortable, you really need those goods. 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:55.519 And home furniture, like grocery, saw the seal broken through 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:59.040 the pandemic where consumers found, oh wow, that's actually not 1:32:59.200 --> 1:33:02.639 too bad buying these goods online, buying a seven hundred 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:06.200 dollars couch, you know, maybe a couple of thousand dollars 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:10.559 across different types of items, and the ease of getting 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:14.160 those goods directly to your home has improved. We're seeing 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:19.479 consumers understand that the sort of mail delivery systems that 1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:23.720 got very stressed during those months of the pandemic, those 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:26.719 intense months of the pandemic has eased the supply chains 1:33:26.760 --> 1:33:30.679 of ease, so that's helping consumers think more in terms 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:34.599 of ease and efficiency to get these goods across these 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:35.400 major categories. 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:39.800 Now, another insight is that mobile shopping is expected to 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:43.760 overtake desktop shopping in twenty twenty three. That is a 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:45.160 huge shift. 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:51.240 Absolutely, It's it's not news that people are using smartphones 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:54.160 to buy goods, but what we have found to be 1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:58.800 a really important threshold is when the smartphone would become 1:33:58.880 --> 1:34:03.400 the dominant shopping and they would see the bulk of 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:07.080 their dollars being spent through that phone. And what we're 1:34:07.200 --> 1:34:10.479 finding is retailers are understanding that they have to really 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:15.960 prioritize the mobile experiences that they're serving consumers, making sure 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:20.719 that the websites and the apps that they're selling products 1:34:20.760 --> 1:34:25.240 on are providing the best output for consumers. Given that's 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:30.439 how they're growing markets into these different audiences and where 1:34:30.520 --> 1:34:33.599 there's momentum in terms of consumers finding them. 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.400 It's been such a shift, even for me personally, because 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:39.160 it used to be if you really wanted to do 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.200 serious shopping, you would go to your desktop, and now 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:45.080 I feel like with some of these websites, it's easier 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:48.320 to shop on the phone and even through the apps. 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:52.400 For instance, buying a plane ticket. I've noticed that sometimes 1:34:52.439 --> 1:34:54.360 it's easier to buy from your phone because you can 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:57.320 use your Apple Pay from your phone on the mobile 1:34:57.320 --> 1:34:59.759 app versus on the desktop where you're typing everything. 1:34:59.840 --> 1:35:03.479 In the use case you're describing there is exactly what 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:09.439 retailers and travel facilitators have been hoping for, which is 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:14.439 given that we have more and more mobile first thinking 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:16.800 amongst consumers that they're spending a lot of time on 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:21.000 social media across these apps, that the idea that they 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:25.040 can bring the large swaths of audiences from those sources 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:28.400 to their e commerce properties. It has been a real 1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:33.160 focus and making it easier can really drive growth for them. 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:37.240 Given where consumers are right now, where they expect a 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:41.280 lot of ease and efficiency in buying these goods and 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:43.120 having it available for them. 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:46.200 It's all about having that stored payment method that really 1:35:46.280 --> 1:35:49.840 makes a huge difference on a lot of mobile shopping. 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:51.680 If you have to start typing stuff in, you're just 1:35:51.760 --> 1:35:54.760 like I never mind. Okay. One of the places that 1:35:55.000 --> 1:35:59.320 is actually a challenge though, is mobile for smaller retailers, 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:02.960 and I can understand this for something like a local 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:05.839 business that may not have a strong presence on mobile, 1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:09.040 and you're saying that that is actually hurting them. 1:36:09.760 --> 1:36:13.559 It's really paramount that their mobile experience and mobile site 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:18.240 it's properties be ready for this traffic and be ready 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:22.439 to convert effectively that consumers don't get frustrated on these 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:24.680 sites and then say Okay, well I'm going to go 1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:28.320 shop somewhere else where. This is much easier. So really, 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:31.040 we saw a lot of larger retailers invest in this 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:35.360 over the years. We're hoping to see smaller retailers try 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:37.960 to pick up the momentum in terms of being able 1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:43.560 to compete on these types of devices, because it's more important. 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:45.840 Now than ever now. During the pandemic, it was all 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:49.599 about picking up at the store and really getting things 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:51.280 shipped to your home. But if you couldn't do that, 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:53.840 you'd go and you'd do that curb side pickup. I've 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:56.960 seen Target has invested very heavily and sort of the 1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:01.559 curb side pickup situation. But I'm looking at your stature. 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:03.840 It says in twenty twenty one, twenty three percent of 1:37:03.920 --> 1:37:07.600 online orders use the curb side, then nineteen percent in 1:37:07.680 --> 1:37:10.200 twenty twenty two, and now in the first two months 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:13.840 of twenty twenty three it's down to seventeen percent. So 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:16.799 what's happening with curb side pickup? 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:20.080 So it's really a great question that we get to 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:23.560 answer through what we're seeing in the categories. When we 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:27.840 think about something like grocery, that's still a category that's 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:30.519 seeing click, click and collect by online pickup and store 1:37:30.920 --> 1:37:35.599 momentum because consumers need these goods, they want to get 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:40.320 them efficiently avoid shipping costs, so we're still seeing growth there. However, 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:44.880 things like electronics, apparel, these categories are seeing growth come 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:49.400 down for them overall, and consumers are more aware that 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:54.519 the delivery systems are, you know, moving at a decent 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:57.519 pace now, so the urgency around getting some of these 1:37:57.560 --> 1:38:01.320 goods has sort of slowed down and they're opting in 1:38:01.560 --> 1:38:06.080 for a sort of efficient habit straight to my door 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:08.280 mode of fulfillment for some of these goods as well. 1:38:08.479 --> 1:38:11.879 Finally, just explain to me how does Adobe get this information. 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:16.280 I'm always curious how Adobe Analytics gets these insights. 1:38:17.000 --> 1:38:20.280 Great question, So when we think about our data set 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:23.280 that we analyze through Adobe Analytics, it's what we call 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:28.800 our aggregated opt in data set. It's anonymized, and retailers 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:31.599 opt in to allow us to analyze this data set 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:35.040 at this sort of ten thousand foot level because we're 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:37.360 able to provide them a lot of value in terms 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:39.880 of what we're seeing in terms of broader trends, and 1:38:40.080 --> 1:38:43.839 we provide them sort of reporting on how they're performing 1:38:43.960 --> 1:38:45.120 relative to their industry. 1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:47.200 Vivic, thanks so much for joining me today. 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:48.880 Thanks very much for having me. 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:52.519 Rich all right, Vivic PANDEA insights analyst at Adobe. You 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:55.519 can learn more at Adobe dot com. My name is 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:58.640 Rich Dumiro. Will have more rich on Tech right after this. 1:39:01.840 --> 1:39:07.960 Welcome back to Rich on Tech. Rich on Tech dot 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:10.960 tv is where you can find me online. Let's go 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:14.200 to Arthur in Orange County. Arthur, you're on with Rich. 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:17.880 Hey, how you doing, man, I'm doing listen to you 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:23.840 on the mornings and Saturday when I'm ubering shown. 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:26.000 Does it make your Does it make your ubering go 1:39:26.080 --> 1:39:26.639 any faster? 1:39:27.920 --> 1:39:28.240 Actually? 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:28.719 It done? 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:31.040 Man makes an iggle back. It's a little bit quicker. 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:31.599 All right. 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:38.120 I got a problem, bro Oh yeah, my laptop is 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:46.120 needing a bit locker needs a key of code. I 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:48.960 I don't know what to do other than just shut 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:49.759 the thing down. 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:52.800 Maybe I should take it in. 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:55.840 I mean, what what what kind of laptop? So it 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:59.160 needs a okay, so BitLocker this is It sounds like 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:01.719 this is some sort of security program for your computer, 1:40:01.960 --> 1:40:06.599 encryption program? Did you enable this at some point? 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:09.680 I don't know. 1:40:09.840 --> 1:40:12.960 I don't remember, right, that's the thing. This is like 1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:16.519 something that that you probably don't remember doing, right, That's 1:40:16.520 --> 1:40:20.000 what it sounds like. Right. What kind of computer is this? 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:22.400 HP? 1:40:22.640 --> 1:40:25.639 Okay? And so you turn it on and it says. 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:30.920 What It just tells me where to go the start menu, 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:35.240 and you know, it just gives me directions on what 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:38.360 to do. But when I tried to control all the 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:41.120 lead or something like that, it won't take me out. 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:45.200 Okay, So it's basically locked. The computer is locked up 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:49.000 unless you put this code in there, yes, okay, And 1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:52.160 I don't know what the code is. I don't know, Okay, 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:54.880 So I think what what's happening here is that when 1:40:54.920 --> 1:40:57.519 this computer was set up? How long have you had 1:40:57.560 --> 1:40:58.000 this computer? 1:40:59.000 --> 1:40:59.599 Six months? 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:01.880 Oh? That's it? Yes? 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:11.959 Oh? No, hmm okay. Interesting. I mean, I'm I'm familiar 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:15.839 with the idea of it. So I think that typically 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:19.360 these are you know, this is a security program that's 1:41:19.439 --> 1:41:25.080 on computers, and it's an encryption mechanism. So typically and 1:41:25.160 --> 1:41:28.040 if it's asking for a key, that key is the 1:41:29.160 --> 1:41:31.400 is the key that unlocks the encryption. So you can't 1:41:31.439 --> 1:41:34.200 do anything without it. So if you don't have that key, 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:38.640 you kind of have a problem. But I think what 1:41:38.800 --> 1:41:39.880 you can do now, do you have a lot of 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:41.280 stuff you need to save on here? 1:41:42.720 --> 1:41:46.759 I have some writings and stuff and I was sending 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:51.280 out your reader's digests and I was online said that's 1:41:51.320 --> 1:41:53.920 some of this stuff just isn't going to be saved. 1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:56.639 Okay, Rich, I didn't back it up. Okay, Well here's 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:59.639 the thing. Number one. Obviously, I always recommend backing up everything, 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:01.800 putting you know, if it went in doubt. Try to 1:42:01.920 --> 1:42:05.240 use the cloud for different things. I'm looking online here 1:42:05.479 --> 1:42:07.479 and it looks do you have a Microsoft account? 1:42:10.040 --> 1:42:10.479 You have to do? 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:14.479 Okay, So it looks like you may be able to 1:42:14.800 --> 1:42:18.200 get this recovery key by signing into your Microsoft account. 1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:22.679 Oh okay, So if you have a different device, maybe 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.600 even your your phone, if you can sign into your 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:29.160 Microsoft account and go on there and look for your 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:33.799 recovery key. It might be located inside your account settings. 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:36.280 So I can't go into my account right now because 1:42:36.400 --> 1:42:38.679 I can't really you know, navigate to all those places. 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:41.679 But I think that that is the first place to look. 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:45.000 Now if you can't do that, like if you if 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:47.439 you don't find it there, you know, you may have 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:51.639 to just refresh this whole computer, which means start from scratch, 1:42:52.160 --> 1:42:53.400 and you may need if you don't know how to 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:55.559 do that yourself, you may have to enlist the help 1:42:55.600 --> 1:42:58.880 of someone to format this thing and to start over, 1:43:01.280 --> 1:43:03.280 which I know is not the answer you want. But 1:43:03.360 --> 1:43:06.360 I think you know what I think, Chris Arthur. I 1:43:06.400 --> 1:43:09.639 think you're gonna find this in your Microsoft account. I've 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:13.439 hoped that it's there because the fact that you have 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:16.160 a Microsoft account, the fact that you this computer is 1:43:16.160 --> 1:43:18.560 six months old, I feel like you're gonna find it 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:20.760 in there. And I'm trying to look in mind to 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:23.040 see if I have I don't have this enabled on 1:43:23.120 --> 1:43:25.600 any of my computers that I know of, so I 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:28.080 don't think i'd have a bit key in mind, But 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:32.040 I think that that's that's where you should look. So 1:43:32.240 --> 1:43:34.960 let's see security trying to see if there's any sort 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:39.840 of digital security options in here, but that's where I go. 1:43:40.040 --> 1:43:42.240 So just go to like account dot Microsoft dot com, 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:45.240 sign in, and then look under your account settings and 1:43:45.439 --> 1:43:48.560 just see, like under security if it's in there, and 1:43:49.280 --> 1:43:51.040 let's let's hope that it is, and that way you 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:52.639 can put that key in there. It's a forty eight 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:57.120 digit code. It looks like so not something you'd remember 1:43:57.200 --> 1:43:58.120 off the top of your head. 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:02.960 You give up to a good start man, Thank you, 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:04.200 and again I enjoyed the program. 1:44:04.320 --> 1:44:07.000 All right, well, thanks and thanks for driving us around. 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:08.960 You want to tell us a fun Uber story or no, 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:13.960 do you have one? That's uh lucky, I don't have one. 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:16.120 I like that poor gentleman yesterday. 1:44:16.439 --> 1:44:16.880 That's good. 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:20.439 Yeah, I'm a guy who just doesn't have stories. 1:44:20.560 --> 1:44:23.000 All right, Well, that's good, that's good. I was the 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:26.439 guy who, by the way, said that the option have 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:29.519 an option for talking or not talking, because sometimes I 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:31.680 get into the uber and I want to talk and 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:34.040 I'm chit chatty right, And other times I'm just tired, 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:35.960 I'm dead from the day and I'm just like, please 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:39.040 don't talk. So now the Uber app has that option. 1:44:39.240 --> 1:44:40.639 So do you ever see that? Do people ever say, 1:44:40.680 --> 1:44:41.280 don't talk to me. 1:44:42.360 --> 1:44:43.400 No, not at all. 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:46.720 Interesting. Well maybe it just asks me and it never 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:47.200 tells you. 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:51.200 Well, I'm sure you know, when you're you get in 1:44:51.240 --> 1:44:52.600 the car, people recognize you. 1:44:53.200 --> 1:44:56.160 You know, it's funny, you'd be surprised. There's always that 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:57.960 thing where they look in the roofy mirror and they're like, 1:44:58.000 --> 1:45:03.160 are you that guy? It's it happens, believe me. And 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:05.080 I'm just like always kind of waiting for it. But 1:45:05.600 --> 1:45:07.720 you know, it's it's always fine. I mean, look, it's 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:09.800 you know, I'm on TV. It's it's something that comes 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:12.920 to the territory. All right, Arthur, thanks for keeping folks 1:45:12.920 --> 1:45:14.840 safe out there on the roads of southern California. I 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:17.200 really appreciate it. And good luck with this computer. I 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:19.360 hope you figure this out because I'd rather have you 1:45:19.880 --> 1:45:21.800 recover this than not. Okay, we're going to get to 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:24.040 the feedback section in just a second before we close 1:45:24.040 --> 1:45:25.320 out the show. But first I want to tell you 1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:30.280 about this because we've talked about AI so much, Producer Aaron, 1:45:30.320 --> 1:45:32.760 I think you'd actually like this. This is a new 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:36.759 tool that lets you that helps you write your wedding 1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:40.920 vows with AI. So this is a website with joy 1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:45.080 dot com slash writer's block, and you go to this 1:45:45.200 --> 1:45:49.120 website and it says help me with my wedding toast speech, 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:53.360 my love story for my wedding website, registry, gift suggestions, 1:45:53.760 --> 1:45:56.839 wedding vows, a thank you note, or a polite decline 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:59.600 to an invitation, and you type in some of the 1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:02.599 things that says you can given by whoever you are sibling, 1:46:02.760 --> 1:46:06.600 best man, mother, father, whatever, highlighting a story and you 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:08.200 can type in a couple of stories that you have 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:11.040 with this person. And then you can say in the 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:14.959 style of a friend, haiku, a romantic Shakespeare, a therapist, 1:46:15.120 --> 1:46:21.240 a pirate, a pessimistic x, a TikToker, or an astrologist, 1:46:22.200 --> 1:46:25.080 and you click inspire me, and it will literally write 1:46:25.160 --> 1:46:28.519 your entire wedding speech. Now you're gonna have to go 1:46:28.640 --> 1:46:30.760 through this and you know, fact check because it does 1:46:30.840 --> 1:46:33.880 take some liberties with the story. But it's pretty good. 1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:36.760 I tried this yesterday. It's your first draft. So if 1:46:36.800 --> 1:46:40.240 you need to write a toast for someone, check it 1:46:40.280 --> 1:46:43.120 out with joy dot com slash writer's block. Just one 1:46:43.160 --> 1:46:46.400 of the examples of how AI is changing our world. 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:49.840 I remember my brother's speech for me, he might have 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:54.200 had a couple of You know, I think a lot 1:46:54.240 --> 1:46:56.839 of people get that liquid courage when they do these toasts, 1:46:56.920 --> 1:46:59.880 and sometimes it turns out good, sometimes not so much. 1:47:02.640 --> 1:47:06.519 Aaron says he's done three, So yeah, it's an art form. 1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:08.720 All right. Let's get to the feedback segment. Before we 1:47:08.760 --> 1:47:13.639 got to go here, let's see Richard says, HP Instant 1:47:13.680 --> 1:47:16.720 Ink scam. Hey, good morning. I went to cancel HP 1:47:16.920 --> 1:47:19.240 Instant Inc. And I saw a message that HP would 1:47:19.280 --> 1:47:22.880 render my already purchased and installed ink cartridge inoperable if 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:25.400 I canceled the subscription, then I need to go buy 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:27.160 one at a store to use my printer. The one 1:47:27.200 --> 1:47:29.880 in the printer is still full. Is this real? It 1:47:29.960 --> 1:47:32.720 makes me so angry. Yes, it is real. I had 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:36.799 the same exact thing happen. I went to go cancel 1:47:36.920 --> 1:47:39.479 my HP Instant Inc. Because I was printing out so 1:47:39.560 --> 1:47:41.559 much stuff, and I realized, oh, I got to pay 1:47:41.600 --> 1:47:43.720 two hundred dollars to buy new cartridges. I guess I'll 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:46.160 just stick with the HP Instant Inc. So I up 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:49.559 my subscription and now I'm paying thirteen dollars a month 1:47:49.720 --> 1:47:51.720 to print. Now I do a lot of printing for 1:47:51.800 --> 1:47:54.560 this show, so it makes sense for me. But I 1:47:54.760 --> 1:47:57.160 was surprised just as much as you were, Richard. But yes, 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:01.360 it's legit. The ink cartridges in your printer are rendered 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:05.599 obsolete when that happens. Can you believe that? So weird? 1:48:05.640 --> 1:48:07.759 So I literally just had to look at the pricing 1:48:08.040 --> 1:48:09.960 and I was like, eh, once I added up all 1:48:10.000 --> 1:48:14.240 the different colors and all the blacking cartridge, Nah, it 1:48:14.360 --> 1:48:18.320 added up to way too much. All right, that's gonna 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:20.479 do it. For this episode of the show coming up 1:48:20.520 --> 1:48:22.839 next week, I'm taking a test drive in the Hyundai 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:26.639 Ionic six EV, so i'll tell you about that. It's 1:48:26.680 --> 1:48:29.240 been such a ride, in the words of Arthur, what 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:32.560 a fun, fun ride. Today. You can find me on 1:48:32.640 --> 1:48:34.920 social media at rich on tech. The website is richon 1:48:35.000 --> 1:48:37.599 tech dot TV. Don't forget to check out my TV segments. 1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:39.760 Thanks so much for listening. There are so many ways 1:48:39.800 --> 1:48:42.400 you can spend your time. I do appreciate you spending 1:48:42.439 --> 1:48:44.720 it right here with me. Thanks to everyone who makes 1:48:44.760 --> 1:48:46.559 this show possible. I'll talk to you real soon.