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Speaker 2: trust Me. The podcast about colds, extreme belief and manipulation

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Speaker 2: from two mega huns who've actually experienced it. I'm Lola

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Speaker 2: Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth megahun Elizabeth all Right. Today,

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Speaker 2: our guest is Roberta Blevin's former lularoe seller and host

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Speaker 2: of the podcast Life After MLM. In Part one. Today,

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Speaker 2: she's going to tell us how she first got involved

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Speaker 2: with MLMs, what Lularo was like, what the deal was

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Speaker 2: with the wet, smelly leggings, and what finally opened her

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss how MLMs make good people act badly, what

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Speaker 1: week we'll talk about the Lularoe president Diane red Flags

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she is fascinating. And also Roberta in a very different,

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Speaker 2: much better way, is fascinating to talk.

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Speaker 1: To Roberta in the good way. Obsessed with Dan and

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Speaker 2: Bad exactly, but I'm so glad she finally made it

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Speaker 1: We have done a few episodes about MLMs, but we

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Speaker 1: So she has given us just a behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: Also, we have not specifically done a Lula Roux episode yet,

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Speaker 1: I'm everybody watched that documentary Lula Rich Hula Rich. Yeah, good,

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Speaker 2: Before we get into MLM life with her, what's your

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's a bishop known as the Bling bishop.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we see with cult leaders so much.

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Speaker 1: They have those compelling stories and they have those Oh

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for connecting it for me, because hard

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on a job well done. That's a huge

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. We'll see, but I'm going to keep

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Speaker 2: Levins, let's do it. Welcome ROBERTA. Blevins to trust me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. We've had your name on

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Speaker 2: Hello, You are MLM experts. You have firsthand experience. You

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Speaker 2: What is it works? Because I had never heard of

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it works is just another health and wellness

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Speaker 3: When when I had this party for my cousin, There's

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Speaker 3: And if you decide to make it a business, you

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Speaker 3: And I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, it's like, oh, you're getting everything on sale.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And I was like, even if you don't

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Speaker 1: Right, free time we talk to somebody about MLMs, I

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Speaker 2: I'm a soccer for a product. I just let me

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: Like to get one of everything for an even higher

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Speaker 3: So that's what happened. And then when I said was like,

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Speaker 3: But it's I didn't like it because it's an MLM.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Like the replicated websites, we didn't have those selling the

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Speaker 3: didn't want to sell leggings, you didn't have to. Like

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Speaker 3: I didn't like about it works like didn't have there

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Speaker 2: All, right, I mean they were just like trendy. Everyone

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Speaker 3: Explain them? It has to be gambling, dopamine addiction. There's Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So when I would see floral print and be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Wait, there were ones with clowns.

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Speaker 1: I think we're understanding for me is like you order

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Speaker 1: part of the dopamine hit, is like it's gambling, like

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Speaker 3: Right, So I'm getting addicted to the ordering because I'm

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Speaker 3: They're like, ooh, I could save one for like a raffle,

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Speaker 3: the dopamine hit of Oh my god, ROBERTA has You know,

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Speaker 3: you are one of the three people that win.

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Speaker 3: Or is it going to be rare or is it

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Speaker 3: to be there. When it was wild, like people would

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Speaker 3: bom boom. I only had three, so I can only

434
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 3: take the first three. Well, number three and four. They're

435
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: now battling over time stamps because on my side, I

436
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: was number three. Well on my side, i'm number three,

437
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 3: and they would ask us to like down to the

438
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 3: second whoa who typed it first?

439
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 4: So the customer is gambling.

440
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: Too so much. Yeah, it was just this just fueled,

441
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 3: just fueled by fire and dopamine. It's crazy.

442
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: So much of this is so smart. These tactics are

443
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: so smart. Like the smartest business move is to get

444
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: people is to create scarcity and then like have it

445
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: kind of show up. It's like fucking Willie Wonka or

446
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: something right, and especially in this fanaticism right right, right, yeah,

447
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,719
Speaker 2: I mean, like how did they make such fanaticism though

448
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: it's so crazy? I mean, I guess at that time,

449
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: Like I also, I was never a Lula Roe person.

450
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what it was till a couple

451
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 2: of years ago. But in that same time period, I

452
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: was legging. Patterned leggings were like the thing, and you

453
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: wanted to have the unique ones. You wanted to be

454
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: the one, you know, like your patterned leggings were cooler

455
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 2: than other people's.

456
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: Pattern Like most completely you did have these same black

457
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: leggings for like thirty years.

458
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: No.

459
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: I had these like gold and black like shiny ones,

460
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: And I thought it was so cool when I would

461
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: go out with those, because like no one else had

462
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: shiny ones, you know.

463
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like even fabletics and stores like that

464
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 3: that are not MLMs, like legit clothing stores, We're having

465
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: these brightly patterned, loud leggings. And the other thing that

466
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: Lulao did is they had these really high waisted thick

467
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 3: band like a pair of yoga pants, where a lot

468
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: of leggings didn't have that. They just had a basic

469
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: elastic waste. So Luluo started making it that way, and

470
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: a lot of other leggings brands sort of adopted that

471
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: as well, and they're like yoga waist bands became them

472
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 3: mart thing.

473
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: Also, I just looked up the Lula Rode time period,

474
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: and I guess my legging era was a little earlier

475
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: than this legging era. I think I did miss this

476
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: legging era. I don't know what I was doing this

477
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: whole time. Mine was like two thousand and seven, okay,

478
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: not important, nod and nine not important, not relevant. So

479
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: you end up selling Lula ro leggings and it goes

480
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: very well for you. Right, how did you do it?

481
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: Like did you just were you just really plugged into

482
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: a network of women who were like in this zone?

483
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: How did it work?

484
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I've always been plugged in. I just am

485
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 3: a plugged in person. I think it's my ADHD. I

486
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: talked to everybody I was friends with every friend group

487
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: in high school, Like there was everybody who's like hey,

488
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: I remember it, Like there was never I just I'm

489
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: a friendly person, so I always talk to people. I've

490
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: always had a network. I was a hairstylist, so I

491
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: had a really big network there of a lot of

492
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 3: people that trusted me. I had already I had been

493
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: a blogger and I had been doing like beauty reviews

494
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: and family stuff recipes, so like so many people came

495
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 3: to me for advice anyway, like right, I bet Roberta

496
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: has a recipe for this, or I bet Roberta knows

497
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: the best thing. So it was already like that, I

498
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: know that there are people out there that just it's

499
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: just how they are. And so when I was trying

500
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: to look for something to bring myself home because I

501
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: was doing hair in Los Angeles, and I was like,

502
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: I'm so overdriving up there once a month and like

503
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: doing this, Like I have this little girl at home

504
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: that needs me, Like I want to be there for

505
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: the cheberoning and the things I need to do, like

506
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: I need to get out of LA and come back

507
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: down to San Diego permanently. And it just showed up.

508
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: A lot of people will say like, oh, I was

509
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: praying for this. I'm not super religious, so I wasn't

510
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: praying for it, but it was definitely something in the

511
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: back of my mind, going something will come along that

512
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: will solve these problems that I have multiple of, like

513
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: I need to do this, this, and this, and I

514
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: would sit there and I would watch things fly off

515
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: the shelf and I was just like, I can sell

516
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: this like this, Like people are buying the dumbest, ugliest thing.

517
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: It's like they're fighting you over I would buy something

518
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: dumb and ugly from you.

519
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 4: You're very yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

520
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: I was like why not?

521
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and you know, I just knew I could

522
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: do it. My father sold cars, he owned car dealerships.

523
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: He taught me about customer service and how to make

524
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: people feel special and how to make people come back

525
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: and like want to shop with you and want to

526
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: be with you, and it just it was easy. You know,

527
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: it's not easy for everybody, but for me it was.

528
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: And I even will watch my old videos and I'll

529
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: react to them on YouTube and stuff, and most of

530
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: them I am giving sales advice when I'm talking to

531
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: a team. This is what you can do. You can

532
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: add notes, you can add a piece of candy, go

533
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: to cost go and get you know, a thing of

534
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: pop rocks. Like I'm talking about customer retention and sales.

535
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: And it was not really super recruity for me ever,

536
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: one because it was so expensive to join, and two

537
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: it was so much work that I would again, I

538
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: think it's the ADHD. I would feel horrible if somebody

539
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: like put everything in and was like this doesn't work

540
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, yeah, no, it's a lot.

541
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

542
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: So I was always very open, like it's a lot,

543
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: it costs a lot, it's a lot, it's super rewarding,

544
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 3: but I am working all the time. Yeah.

545
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: And so eventually you had a team of seventy five

546
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: under you and you'd made over sixty five thousand dollars

547
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: just in bonuses.

548
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what was jang?

549
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean right, did you notice a disparity initially

550
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: between like what you were making and maybe like what

551
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: the people under you were making.

552
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: You know, I think when you have questions like that

553
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: before you really understand really what it truly is and

554
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: how it truly works, the use of platitudinist buzzwords and

555
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: bullshit and cliches like shut you up really quick. So

556
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: I think anytime I saw any sort of disparit disparit

557
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: like just like any kind of difference anywhere where I

558
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this person isn't well, you know, you

559
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: work more hours than them, or they're only doing it

560
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 3: part time, and there was always this sort of like okay,

561
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: that makes sense or correct, Oh, well, you're a leader,

562
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: so you should be doing more. And I never really

563
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: looked into it deeper until I wasn't really like the middleman.

564
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 3: Once I started realizing that, like I didn't have to

565
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: go to my upline, because it was always like, well,

566
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, let me ask my upline. Once I

567
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: was like, I can handle this because every time I

568
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: asked them, they gave me some dumb answer that doesn't

569
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: make any sense, and I have to go find the

570
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: answer anyway. So I'm not even gonna bother. And that

571
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: was near the end, was where people were like, hey,

572
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure if I should pay my

573
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: mortgage or if I should buy more Lula Roe because

574
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: what if I get really good stuff and I sell

575
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: it all and then I could pay my mortgage and

576
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: make money. And I was like, yeah, I don't think

577
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. Wow, And I was just like, no,

578
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: don't do that. And I do remember actively talking a

579
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: couple of people out of it, because one I didn't

580
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: think that the company was as popular as it had

581
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: been the year earlier, and two, like I knew how

582
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: much work. It was, and there were a couple of

583
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: my friends who I'm like, I just don't think this

584
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: is the right fit for you. I just don't think

585
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: this is a good idea, and whether or not they joined,

586
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: but I had to tell them that because I felt

587
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: really bad about it. I started to notice things that

588
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: were weird and coming from someone who had grown up

589
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: with the very customer for like attitude about business and

590
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: like making sure that the person that is shopping from you,

591
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: whether it's your supplier or whether it's your customer, like

592
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: making sure that relationship is good and honest. That's when

593
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: I started to see a lot of differences because I

594
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: was like, like, no, like that would never happen. Like

595
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: you wouldn't treat a customer this way. You wouldn't tell

596
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: somebody like it's their fault that their leggings are wet,

597
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: or that they're like stink, or I'm like, it's not

598
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: my fault. I didn't do anything like I shouldn't be

599
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: getting this stuff. And it was those little things and

600
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: not necessarily what I saw happening to my downline, but

601
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: it was the way that lu Laue was acting on

602
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: things that could be very easily fixed. Or like we're

603
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: constantly having the same problem, Like I know how to

604
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: solve it, but like nobody was willing to listen to

605
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: the point where you're like, is it intentional that they

606
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: don't know how to fix it? Like why wouldn't they

607
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: fix it? It's always a problem.

608
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: And then would that be things like the smelly leggings.

609
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: No, it would be like.

610
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Nelly legging gate will get into for sure, right, yeah.

611
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: And I think this is an MLM thing because I

612
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: hear it so many times in other stories that people

613
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: tell me like the website would crash every time, like

614
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: it did not have enough bandwidth to sustain the amount

615
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: of people purchasing during these launches. And I mean there

616
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 3: were people that worked in it that were like, this

617
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: is a really simple fix if you're just gonna have

618
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: a ton of traffic for five hours, Like we can,

619
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: I can help you, Like my husband does this, he

620
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: builds systems like this, And it always went like completely ignored,

621
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: and eventually you're like, I think it's intentional, Like I

622
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: think they want us to create FOMO, to create the

623
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: fear of not getting it, to not have it. If

624
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: you can't get it, you can't sell it. If someone

625
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: else gets it, then they're gonna sell it. You're gonna

626
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: lose your customers to that person. You have to get

627
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: some this really vicious cycle of fomo. That interest was

628
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: wild to the point that, like p people were opening

629
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 3: up credit cards to get orders just because you had

630
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: to order a certain minimum and they couldn't afford to

631
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: buy a box, so that they're well, I'm gonna get

632
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: a credit card and then I can do And I

633
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 3: was like, what are you doing. People would pair together

634
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: and open like they would get orders together and they'd

635
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: split between two or three four people just to guarantee

636
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: that everybody got maybe five leggings. You know, I just

637
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: I just want a few Halloween leggings to say I

638
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: have Halloween leggings to get people to come to my party.

639
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: Like it was really really wild, heartbreaking. Yeah, like you're like,

640
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: there's you know, how many people want Halloween. Why aren't

641
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: you making more Halloween? Like you know, we'll buy it.

642
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: Why is there always scarcity? Why is there never enough?

643
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: Is it intentional? Is it a mistake? Is it a scam?

644
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: So many of these weird, like this isn't how a

645
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: real business would handle this. So many of those for me.

646
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: I eventually was just like, I don't think this is

647
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: a business that cares about being a business anymore. Like

648
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: it was just like, no, nothing else makes sense. I

649
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: didn't know about the pyramid scheme, the cults, or like

650
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: the control or anything until after I had stepped away

651
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: and could see it on the outside looking in. While

652
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: I was inside, I just knew this isn't a business

653
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: like they're saying it is. But they're not doing anything

654
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: to treat it like a business. Even though they're telling

655
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: us that we need to treat it like a business,

656
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: they're not treating it like a business.

657
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: It was very strange, right, Mike, And were you saying

658
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I really liked that you

659
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: said a little bit earlier that they always had answers

660
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: for something, because I find myself in that pattern with

661
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: people who are an MLM. Sometimes I'll try to branch

662
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: a subject with them because I'll be worried about them

663
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, it's because of this, this and this,

664
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: and it's actually going to turn into this.

665
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: This is just the thing that's in the meantime, and.

666
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: Like there's always an answer coming, or like it'll be

667
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: in the future or a reason. So interesting, right, I

668
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: mean that's true of future manipulative people and relationships and

669
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: high control groups.

670
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: We always have an answer for everything. Don't question, don't doubt,

671
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: it's your problem. Yeah, we like to Lulua like to say,

672
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: assume innocence.

673
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Stopping is still growing.

674
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Wow, innocence, Assume innocence.

675
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: We would never do anything intentionally and sense wow. Like

676
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: after I figured out what they were doing, I was like,

677
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: soume Innocent's my ass dude, you.

678
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Were like, put some pumpkins on some leggings and send

679
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: me twenty thousand of them.

680
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: Shut up? It was wild.

681
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Wow. I feel the need to say the word buttery

682
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: because every time we talk about Lularo, everyone's like buttery, buttery,

683
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: buttery leggings? Were they buttery?

684
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: When I think of buttery, I think of like a croissant, right, yeah,

685
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: Like it's a little greasy. They weren't greasy. They were soft,

686
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: really velvety, like micro velvety. I don't know. They have

687
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: this machine that takes the fabric and just slightly damages it,

688
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: just enough to make it fuzzy, and it's called it's

689
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: like a brushing machine. And so that's what they would

690
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: do is. They would take this fabric, it's called it y.

691
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: It's like a really slinky, cool feeling fabric and it's

692
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: like a Licra or whatever, and they'd put it on

693
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: this machine and the machine would like brush it and

694
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: rough just the top layer to create that soft texture.

695
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: But then Luluo would flip it over and they would

696
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: double brush it. So when they were using really really thick,

697
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: nice quality in the very beginning, the double brushing wasn't

698
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: a problem. But when they started buying the really cheap

699
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: off the rack last season been sitting around too long

700
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: fabric and they double brushed it. It created all these

701
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: like micro holes that nobody really noticed until they put

702
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: them on, and then it was like perforated. It was

703
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: like and it would just rip like lines. Like I

704
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: had somebody email me who was like, I bought these laggings.

705
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: They literally got them yesterday. I wore them to work today.

706
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: She was a middle school teacher. She said they were

707
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: like her ass cheek was hanging out. She sent me

708
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: a picture and I was like, oh my god, you.

709
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: Were like, but the print is so cute.

710
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: I was like, you have a free pair of leggings

711
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: or twenty five dollars or whatever you want, like, just

712
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: let me know. And by the end of the day,

713
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: the other pant had all like her both cheeks were

714
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: hanging out and she was like, thank goodness, I had

715
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: like a long top over. She's like, but I'm a

716
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: middle school teacher and my daughter's in middle school now,

717
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, oh my god, those kids are brutal.

718
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: I feel it's extra bad. Now.

719
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would have been a tech talk star for sure.

720
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: For sure. So product stars getting gross and crappy and

721
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: stinks and it's wet for some reason. Do we know

722
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: what was happened? Like why wet? Why was it wet?

723
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? What gate? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, this we actually, oh

724
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 3: my god. This is what's so cool about creating content.

725
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: You guys create content, so you know, you say something,

726
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: you put it out in the universe, and then someone

727
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: that's listening knows the answer and they reach out to

728
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: you and they say, I know why. So after Lulaich

729
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: came out, the documentary that I did with Amazon, after

730
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: Lula Rich came out, and people were talking because I

731
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: say in the documentary I'm like dead fart leggings, and

732
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: so many people are like, yes, why and then we

733
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 3: started looking into it. Well, there's a couple of reasons

734
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: why these leggings were so gross. Luluo was growing so

735
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: unbelievably fast, they did not have the warehouse space. So

736
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: they're ordering clothes and they're ordering product, but they don't

737
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: have anywhere to put it, so they're storing it outside

738
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: in these big metal containers that are called gaylords, like

739
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: these big that you would see like stuffed animals in it,

740
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 3: like the fair right, Like just these huge crates and

741
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: they're filled with clothes and to keep them dry from

742
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: the Southern California condensation, they just have blue tarps at

743
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: the top of them. They're not secured. They're just in

744
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: crinkle packages sitting out in the elements in southern California,

745
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: in our wet mornings, in our in our dry days,

746
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: and it's just like the moisture is getting into these

747
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: packages because there's little tiny holes to breathe and then

748
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: it's just like evaporating, falling and baking in, evaporating, falling and.

749
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: Baking in the whole day, over and over again.

750
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: So there were clothes that were mildewy, there were clothes

751
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: that were stinky. There were clothes that were wet. I

752
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: literally got stuff that I had to ring out in

753
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: the sink, like water came out of it. I was like,

754
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: what is happening. Lularoe told me it was FedEx's fault

755
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: or ups or something that they must have left my

756
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: box outside. But there was only like two things in

757
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: the whole box that were wet. It was wild like,

758
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: there was never Lularo's fault anything. So then, uh, we

759
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: found out after Lula Rich came out where we had

760
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 3: sort of exposed that everything had been outside and that's

761
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: why the elements had gotten to them. That somebody was like,

762
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: wait a second. I worked for this company for a

763
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: couple months. Me and my boyfriend had this job. Than

764
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: in the mornings when we would get to work, we

765
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: would walk around to all the gay lords and we

766
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: would have to fish out all the dead animals that

767
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: had gotten s trapped overnight.

768
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 5: No.

769
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: I said what and they were like yeah, yeah yeah,

770
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: And I was like, what about all the clothes. There's

771
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: like we just had to if it was touching something,

772
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: we had to throw that away. But other than that,

773
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: so I'm just like, so there's literally dead animals sitting

774
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: next to these clothes outside.

775
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Sola just met in the head with her mic so

776
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: shot that is.

777
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: So effing gross, and it was like their job.

778
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: She was like, yeah, that was my job. Me and

779
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: my boyfriend did that for a while.

780
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: Wow, And I'm like wait what.

781
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: So then I was like, well, there we go. Because

782
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: I also would say that the steak smelled like a

783
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: dead rat pool party because it smelled like decay. But

784
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: it also smelled like really chemically chlorine ammonia smell, so

785
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: maybe that was the rats too. But yeah, there's just

786
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: the things that come out when people start speaking out

787
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: and the puzzle pieces that were like filled where I

788
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: was like, oh that makes sense. Actually that's so crazy.

789
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: You can't even write this stuff. It's like so ridiculous.

790
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: So you started feeling weird about the company. But it

791
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: wasn't because of that, right, there was some other stuff

792
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: that sort of made you start to question, well, it.

793
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: Was like my you know, I didn't think they were

794
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 3: running like a business. Certain things like why would you

795
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: tell me to hold on to my defects? Why wouldn't

796
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: you just credit my account? Move on, like, tell me

797
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: to throw them away if they're defective, tell me to

798
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: donate it or destroy it, and move on. And then

799
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: credit my account or send me like it was weird.

800
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: So a lot of things, I'm like, this is not

801
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: how a regular business would work as a hair stylist.

802
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: If the shampoo that I'm using, like I don't like it.

803
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: When the rep comes in and says, hey, is there

804
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: anything the matter, I'm like, yeah, I didn't like the

805
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: shampoo or whatever, They'll switch it out for something else,

806
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: like no questions asked. Yeah, So the fact that I

807
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: was getting so much pushback was really really weird. My

808
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: uplines were being kind of weird, and I started asking questions.

809
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: I would get like love bombs. I remember them like going, oh,

810
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: do you want a cruise? Or do you want to

811
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: do this? And trying to keep me a little bit longer.

812
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: But I mean a squeaky wheel, you know, like you

813
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: make a target on your back, and I had a

814
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: target on my back, and I was asking too many

815
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: questions and everything just seemed weird, Like it just I

816
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: didn't like the way it was going. I didn't like

817
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: the way that people were responding to my questions. And

818
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: I remember talking to my upline and saying, I don't

819
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: think this works for my family anymore. I don't like

820
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: who I've become. I snap at my kids, like I

821
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: don't make dinner anymore. I have no free time. There's

822
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: no pockets in my day. We don't get to do

823
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: anything fun anymore. It's just Lulu Row twenty for seven,

824
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: and I don't think it works for me anymore. And

825
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: I remember my upline was like, well, let's just give

826
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: it three more months if you just stay till Christmas,

827
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: like things are like so many things are happening, and

828
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: it's again, it's like trying to get you to stay.

829
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: And I just remember not wanting to stay, telling her

830
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: what I needed to tell her to get off the phone,

831
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: and then coming home and saying I quit and posting

832
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: something and getting this message like fifteen minutes later that

833
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: was like, how dare you do that to me? We promised,

834
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: like you know, And now looking back, I know it's because,

835
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: like me leaving affected her bottom line, right, me not

836
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: making that money means she doesn't qualify I means she

837
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: doesn't get her bonus check. And it was this domino

838
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 3: effect to the point where I just stopped producing because

839
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: they wouldn't let me leave until I affected enough people's

840
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 3: paycheck that they were like, we have like a certified letter,

841
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: but if you want to leave, we'll sign it, and

842
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: you can sign it and you'll you'll be done with

843
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: Lularoo forever. I was like, perfect, what I've been waiting for.

844
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: So you have like the people at the top obviously

845
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: who create these companies, but then like in you know,

846
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: just cults, I mean, you have these other people who

847
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: are victims themselves, but they turn into like little mini

848
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: cult leaders because then they're like, well, no, you can't

849
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: do that. Here's what you need to do with your life.

850
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Here's because it affects them, and it affects how much

851
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: money they make. It's so insidious. It turned like good people,

852
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I don't know your upline, but

853
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were many uplines who were good people

854
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: in their hearts who were engaging in bad behavior because

855
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of what this system was doing to people.

856
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's tons of great people and that was one

857
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: of the best things about being in Little Rows. I

858
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: met so many cool people, and that was also the

859
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: worst thing about leaving. Yeah, as soon as I decided

860
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: I was no longer I mean, excommunication is alive and

861
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: well in multi level marketing. It just is if you

862
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: leave for another company, you don't get as much hate.

863
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: Interesting you'll get a lot of like passive aggressive snide,

864
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: but you won't get as much hate as if you

865
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: leave the industry entirely because now you're like you're a

866
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: total hater. You're like yeah, like you're absolutely you're the

867
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: bad guy.

868
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: And what does that mean? Like to people just like

869
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: feel judged or like what what is it?

870
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: I think there's this really strange loyalty that comes with it,

871
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: which is like the MLEM works because of the cult aspect.

872
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: Because without the cult and without the control and the

873
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: demand and everything, you wouldn't buy inventory you didn't need,

874
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: you wouldn't go to conventions you couldn't afford, you wouldn't

875
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: jump through hoops of people you don't care about. But

876
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: because of that cult aspect, like you have that like, oh,

877
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: I want to make these people happy and I want

878
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: to do these things, and so you end up doing

879
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: a lot of things that you maybe wouldn't necessarily do

880
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: for a really long time. Yeah right, And you know

881
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: I say that too, like in an MLM, you're a

882
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: victim and a perpetrator because if you're the last one in,

883
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: you're not going to make any money. And even though

884
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: when you join and people are like, oh, you don't

885
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 3: have to recruit and it's so easy and everybody loves

886
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: it and you're going to get this great discount, you

887
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: realize relatively quickly in once your warm market fizzles out

888
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: within the first few months, that if you really want

889
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: to maintain your discount and maintain your freebies and maintain

890
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: your things, that you're going to have to pull a

891
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: couple different strings that you didn't really expect to be pulling.

892
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: And some people say, oh, yeah, okay, I'll get someone in.

893
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: I understand how it works. I got to get I

894
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: don't want to be the last one in. But right,

895
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: you know, ninety nine point seven percent of people fail.

896
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: Most people in an mL are the last ones in

897
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: because nobody else is joining. And you have that perpetrator

898
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: mentality that even if you don't get somebody in, if

899
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: somebody doesn't sign that doesn't mean that you're not a perpetrator.

900
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: It just means that you didn't successfully convince somebody to join. Right,

901
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: But you can still be you know, nasty and gross. Well, yeah,

902
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: without ever getting anybody.

903
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: To sign up, you're gonna, but I mean, you're also

904
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: selling at this point in ideology, it's a family.

905
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: It's a whole thing.

906
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Like growing up in the religion that I did, it

907
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: was like get people to belong to it. That's an

908
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: important part of You're the only Bible the world will

909
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: ever read, and so bring people into this and then

910
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: you're you're perpetrating abuse essentially by getting somebody to do it,

911
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: but you're just doing.

912
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: It's so confusing.

913
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: It's like Lila and I get endless loops about this

914
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: of like when becoming you know how, it's just it's like, uh,

915
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: it's hard.

916
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also that this other interesting thing like and

917
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: I don't this is just my opinion and what I've seen,

918
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: But I feel like in an MLM sometimes there's a

919
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: switch that you flip that's unflippable, that you really truly

920
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: know what you're doing and how to do it, and

921
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: you're like, we call them the mega hun, the person

922
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: that's at the top of the pyramid, who's been at

923
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: multiple pyramids, who knows how these work, who knows to

924
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: get in early and all of that.

925
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you what a hun is in

926
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: the first place, what's a hun, so I know what

927
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: a mega hun is totally.

928
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: So a hun is a like not like gender neutral

929
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: term that means anybody who's ever sold an MLM. Because

930
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: we often use the phrase hey han, So anybody who's

931
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: like sometimes people say oh, they're hey girlies or they're

932
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: hay Huns. We just say han. It's just like very simple.

933
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: So a hon is anybody past or present. I'll say

934
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: that I'm an ex hun. And then if you're at

935
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: the very variativity top of the pyramid, you know how

936
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: the game is played. Oftentimes that's a mega hun. You'll

937
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: see them jump from pyramid to speer maid. They'll get

938
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: bridge contracts, which are just basically paychecks to help you

939
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: recruit into your next pyramid. We've got hunbots, which are

940
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: going to be those people who are all in and

941
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: they copy and paste. Oftentimes they forget to remove the

942
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: spot that says put their name here, so you're getting

943
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: this like horrible copy and paste where you're like, oh

944
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: my god, like you're sending it so fast and so robotically,

945
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: like you're not even typing my name in the spot

946
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: you're supposed to type my name into wow. And then

947
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: a hunbro is just a guy that does this, who's

948
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: sort of like a male version of like a hunbot.

949
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: You're going to see them selling crypto insurance, like a

950
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: lot of them are in Amlay, and so it's just

951
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: they're just fun little names. Yeah, never meant to do

952
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: anything other than just sort of poke fun at the

953
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: phenomenon of the characters in these cults.

954
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: I love bro that's so good, so good.

955
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we've got some honebros. And we've got some

956
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: Hunbots around there, and it's just it's a fun it's

957
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: a fun language. Know, they can have their language. We

958
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: can have our language too.

959
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Right, right, So a mega hun you were telling us

960
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: about mega huns.

961
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can flip a switch, right, and then once

962
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: that flip a switch, it doesn't really get flipped back

963
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: and they just sort of become sometimes they'll end up

964
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: in the corporate positions of MLMs, or they become coaches

965
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: or something like that. And you just have to, I think,

966
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: really really fundamentally understand what you're doing at that level

967
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: to be able to have a churn rate and like

968
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: a loss rate so high that you don't even bat

969
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 3: an eye at it. Because seventy five was not a

970
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: huge team in Little Row. I mean it's a big team,

971
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: but it was not a huge team. And just the

972
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: implication of how many people. I didn't even know all

973
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: seventy five of those people because they were under people

974
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: who were under people. But it's just the mega Huns.

975
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: They have teams of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people. Wow,

976
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 3: because they're just so high up and they just say

977
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: whatever they need to say. They jumped from EMILYM to

978
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: MLM And yeah, I think that's one of the only

979
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: positions as opposed to like being incorporate and knowing how

980
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: it works, right, is that unflippable switch.

981
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: Do you think you have to be a sociopath to

982
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: be a mega Hunt?

983
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: I think it helps. It definitely helps. Yeah, Yeah, I

984
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: think if you can do things to people and say

985
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: things to people and have no remorse, it definitely helps,

986
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: because even saying things. I remember, there's this one example,

987
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: and this is such a minor thing, but I felt horrible.

988
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: My sister had joined my team and she was complaining

989
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: about the shipping times and we're here in southern California,

990
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: so they really shouldn't have been that bad. And I

991
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: just did like a video about this so they were

992
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: like eleven days behind on shipping, which is kind of

993
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: a lot. And my sister was just like, does anybody

994
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: know what's going on with shipping? Like so innocuously, and

995
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: my upline deleted it and messaged me and was like,

996
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: can you talk to your sister about speaking so nega

997
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: about the company in the open like Facebook group. I

998
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: was like, what did she say? Oh my god, because

999
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. No.

1000
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like she was asking about shipping times

1001
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 7: and I was just like, what, Like it's to not

1002
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 7: be able to bat an eye to be like, it's

1003
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 7: so necessary.

1004
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: To be like how dare you speak disparagingly against our

1005
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: company and how fast they ship things? I'm I'm deleting

1006
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: that and I'm going to have somebody have a talking

1007
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: with you. Like it just was so weird, and I

1008
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: was like, so I just messeged her and I was like, hey, look,

1009
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: shippings really slow too, Like I don't know, I'll let

1010
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: you know if I get my package. Sorry, I don't

1011
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: know why that was deleted. That was weird, Like it

1012
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: was that sort of situation and that happens enough time

1013
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: that you're like, what am I involved in?

1014
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: I feel so hady. Yeah, you're like so weird, You're

1015
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: seeing red flags. Everyone's mad at you on either side.

1016
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: You're like confused, and you're like whatever. It makes me

1017
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: like a little bit like it's really like the position

1018
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: you were in feels fair very stressful to me and

1019
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: my bomb.

1020
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the cognitive dissonance must have been very deep.

1021
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because I would ask questions right, but then

1022
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: it would be like, oh my god, that is such

1023
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: a good question. I don't personally know, but I bet

1024
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: you I can find someone who does, and I'm like, oh,

1025
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: that would be so helpful, thank you so much. And

1026
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: then it would be like hey, and then I'd get fun.

1027
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: Did you ever did you ever pick out the shoes

1028
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: that you were going to get? Because you got that,

1029
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: you know, and it was always like something else, like

1030
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: I remember they gave me shoes. They sent me on

1031
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 3: the cruise for free. I didn't even earn it. I

1032
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: got to go to like events that I wasn't officially

1033
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 3: like invited to because I hadn't hit certain levels. There

1034
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: was just like love bombing. They knew exactly what I

1035
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: wanted because I was treating this like a business and

1036
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 3: trying to be professional and responsible, and I just it

1037
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 3: wasn't any of those things.

1038
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think they were trying to buy

1039
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: your silence? I mean, is that? But what was the

1040
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 2: reasoning for that you think?

1041
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: I think it was just sort of like a love

1042
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: bombing tactic, like maybe this will keep her happy and

1043
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: she won't ask questions, or maybe she just won't speak

1044
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: up as much if she's busy. I don't know, right,

1045
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: but it always there was always something, and you know,

1046
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: like you either just stop asking questions or you just

1047
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: fall into line. And I think the problem was a

1048
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: lot of the people on my team I knew personally,

1049
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: and when things started to happen to them and the

1050
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 3: families that I knew and cared about, like, I took

1051
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: it personally more as well, and so I was willing

1052
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: to look into it deeper, and I was willing to

1053
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: not let it go as like maybe a random stranger

1054
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I don't know, Becky figured out I don't.

1055
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I.

1056
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: Really took responsibility for these people, and because it costs

1057
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: so much and because there was so much, it really

1058
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: felt like a really big investment. And when people were

1059
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: not doing as well as I was, doing. I really

1060
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: genuinely felt that and was like, there's something wrong. And

1061
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: I remember even telling my sister. She was like, what's

1062
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: going on. I was like, I don't know, but it's

1063
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: weird and I'm leaving. And I thought like in this moment,

1064
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: like I am either going to lose my sister or

1065
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: like I'm not. And she was like, oh, okay, well,

1066
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: if you're leaving, I'm leaving. Like it was very much like, okay,

1067
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: well I guess I'm coming too, Like there was no question.

1068
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 3: She was like, if you if something's weird enough to you,

1069
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: like you know better than I do, tell me how

1070
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: to leave. I was like, okay, what it was?

1071
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 4: What do you mean lose your sister?

1072
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: Like do you think the thing could have been deep

1073
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: enough to like break your relationship?

1074
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, it broke many people. Oh yeah, yeah, what

1075
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: do you Certain families were like torn apart, Like sisters

1076
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: then had teamed up together to be like a duo team.

1077
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: Jealousy ripped them apart and they no longer speak and

1078
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: they started their own teams and things like that.

1079
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: That's all the time, so sad. Yeah, it's just some

1080
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: It's just some fucking leggings, you know, it's it's more

1081
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: than that though, It's.

1082
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: Like, of course, of course, yeah, it's just I mean,

1083
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: they know how to tap into wanting to be your

1084
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: own boss and wanting to.

1085
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: What wominism, female empowerment.

1086
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: Dream like the fact that they convinced people that someone

1087
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: else making a different choice would have any should have

1088
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: anything to do with you when it's their own lives,

1089
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: you know. Like again, it's making all of these regular

1090
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 2: innocent people into like controllers. Which yeah, it's just it's

1091
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: really sad.

1092
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: It's wild.

1093
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: I was sometimes when I hear some of these stories,

1094
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, parts of this sound like just incompetence, like

1095
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: just bad business men, you know what I mean, Like

1096
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: where is that line with this company? But maybe in general,

1097
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: like you know, the oh they grew too fast and

1098
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: they couldn't accommodate and they didn't know what they were doing,

1099
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: so the shipping was bad. You know, Like where do

1100
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: you think of that line being of the difference between

1101
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: incompetence and willful like malicious intent or something.

1102
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely think there's a little bit of both.

1103
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: All of these companies are set up based on the

1104
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: legal statue of anway versus the FTC in nineteen seventy nine,

1105
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: which established that MLMs could be legal as long as

1106
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: they follow the Anway rules. And as soon as you

1107
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: learn the Anway rules, you realize that nobody's following the

1108
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: Anway rules. But there's like this self regulating board that

1109
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: says they are, and like, apparently we trust them, so

1110
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: everything's fine. Once MLMs realized that they could literally set

1111
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: up pyramid schemes as legal businesses, like you've got you've

1112
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: got snake oil salesmen and grifters just coming in. I

1113
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: mean a lot of these CEOs will go to prison

1114
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: for fraud and when they get out they start new MLM, right,

1115
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: and then people are like, have you heard about this

1116
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: new MLEM? And I was like, that's the guy that

1117
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: went to prison for fraud.

1118
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're a hater, and I was like, no,

1119
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: it's not vitamins, Like yeah, yeah, yes, they're just vitamins.

1120
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: They're one hundred dollars vitamins. Yeah, it's wild, right, it's

1121
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: it's so I think that there definitely is this like villainous,

1122
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: nefarious understanding that we are opening up a pyramid scheme

1123
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: and as long as we call it multi level marketing

1124
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: or direct sales or network marketing. And as long as

1125
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: we promise wink wink to abide by this set of

1126
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: rules that we will self regulate each other on wink wink,

1127
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: then it will be fine. So there's a lot of

1128
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: but if you if you ask them, they act like

1129
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 3: they're dumb, like they don't understand it. And I'm like,

1130
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: I don't understand how you can continue to set up

1131
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 3: legal pyramid schemes and not understand that what you're setting

1132
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 3: up for pyramid schemes, And so is it willful ignorance?

1133
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like it's incompetence, like it's

1134
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: it's masking evil, like they're evil and then they pretend

1135
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: to be stupid. Oh does that make sense? But I

1136
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: mean it's they're legalized pyramid schemes. They are.

1137
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: Why isn't there I mean, hopefully this isn't too much

1138
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: of a deviation from what we're talking about. But is

1139
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: there a movement to have those not be self regulated

1140
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: and have like outside regulation?

1141
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1142
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always. I work with like a coalition

1143
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 3: of a bunch of people. There's a couple of US

1144
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: activists who are creating content and talking to victims on

1145
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: the daily. There are former lawyers who have prosecuted multi

1146
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: level marketing. There are representatives for other consumer protection agencies

1147
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: that are in this group. We meet once a month.

1148
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: We have a conference that we do once a year.

1149
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: Is actually coming up in May. We go to DC

1150
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: and have this conference and meet with people in the

1151
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 3: government and just try to show them our side and

1152
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: just say, look, we're not saying cancel it. We're saying

1153
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: make it safer for consumers. We're saying, let's have a

1154
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 3: rule here, let's maybe have a waiting period, Let's be

1155
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 3: a little more transparent with what people are getting into.

1156
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 3: Right and MLM. They have this lobby called the DSA.

1157
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 3: They've got offices on K Street, just like all the

1158
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: other lobbies. They're one hundred and ninety billion dollars a

1159
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: year industry and they lobby themselves out of everything.

1160
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: There's this they're called the DSA, not to be confused

1161
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: with Democratic Socialists of America.

1162
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: Right, the Direct Sellers Association. And yeah, there's like some

1163
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: there's something right now that that's going around that that

1164
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: they're trying to get out of. They're trying to be classified.

1165
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: It's a it's a labor law, and they're trying to

1166
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: get them and real estate agents like they're coming on

1167
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: the piggyback of real estate agents in this new gig economy,

1168
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: trying to classify everybody else has employees, but real estate

1169
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 3: agents and MLM they're contractors. So they don't deserve rights,

1170
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: they don't deserve breaks, they don't deserve deserve anything. So

1171
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: that's really what's happening right now is they are trying

1172
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: to legislate themselves out of that rule, because if they're

1173
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: part of that rule, it's a lot harder to quote

1174
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: self regulate if you know what I.

1175
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: Mean, Oh my gosh, crazy.

1176
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: It's wild. It's wild, and people don't like people don't know.

1177
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: They'll say things like, I don't know why you have

1178
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: to be so upset, it's just lipstick. Or can't people

1179
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: just like open fizzy jewelry on TikTok if they want to?

1180
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: And I was like sure, But like if I told

1181
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 3: you that in out of these hundred fizzy bombs, only

1182
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: one of them had jewelry and every single one of

1183
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: them was a bomb, would you still be so excited

1184
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: to open them live on take day right? Or would

1185
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: you be a little more cautious because it has a

1186
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent fail rate. The first it's worse than gambling.

1187
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 4: It is worse than gambling.

1188
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw this and understood was

1189
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: that show The United States of Tara.

1190
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: Did you guys ever watch it? So I watched a

1191
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: little bit of her.

1192
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Sister is just like what am I going to do

1193
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: with all of these vitamins? Or like she had ordered

1194
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: all of this stuff and she's just like losing her

1195
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: mind and she's just like what am I going to do?

1196
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh shit, Like it humanized

1197
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: it for me in a way that like it, I

1198
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: don't know, everything just needs to be put into stories

1199
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: so that people can like understand it.

1200
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not finish watching the show, but How

1201
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: to Become a God or No On Becoming a God

1202
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: in Central Florida, it was sort of my version.

1203
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: So good, so good that one's about amway allegedly and

1204
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: it's so good. We watched that in my discord, and

1205
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: one of the things I think that all of us

1206
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: were talking about was just how accurate the dialogue was,

1207
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: and like the beef between characters and like the way

1208
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: that weird things. I was like that's so accurate. That's

1209
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: so funny, and people outside would be like, why are

1210
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: they acting like this. I'm like, no, no, no, that's actually very.

1211
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: Rare because I actually have culty lingo, almost.

1212
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: Super culty, just culty behaviors like in Amway, Like in

1213
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: regular emlms, you're gonna have teams, but in Amway they

1214
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: call them LA's. They stand for lines of affiliation, and

1215
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: they are like old. It's like skull and bo society

1216
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: kind of oh wow, like back from the days of Amway.

1217
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: And when you join in LA, you're selling Amway, but

1218
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: you're buying your education, your tools and everything like how

1219
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: to run your business through your line of affiliation. And

1220
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: if you're in one affiliation, you might like read a

1221
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: certain amount of books or do a certain thing a

1222
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: certain way, but in a different line of affiliation you

1223
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 3: might do it a different way entirely. So in On

1224
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: Becoming a God in Central Florida, they've got the guy Cody,

1225
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: who's like the main guy. He is following the garbou system,

1226
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: so he's in the Garbeauloa Wow. But he keeps meeting

1227
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: up that other guy at the diner and they always

1228
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: have this weird beef. That guy is in a different loa,

1229
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: so they both sell the same MLM. You'd think they'd

1230
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: be friends, but they're on different tools systems, and so

1231
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: they're enemies and they just have this weird beef throughout

1232
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: the whole series where they're just like pranking each other

1233
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 3: just to be like, yeah, Garbo systems better, bitch. Like

1234
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: it's just I'm so dumb, but it's so real and

1235
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: it was really funny from any anybody that understands like

1236
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: how it works. Like, just watching it, I was like, Oh, oh,

1237
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: that's the guy from the other This is hilarious.

1238
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: That's so funny. Wait, I feel my friend might view

1239
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: one of those guys. He plays Pat Stanley. Do you

1240
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: remember which character.

1241
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: That might be?

1242
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: The guy? Josh Fatum shout out, very funny actor cast

1243
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: him and everything. Uh, yeah, you're You're so right, Megan, Like,

1244
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: there's there's so much stuff like that where we just

1245
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: like wouldn't be able to connect to what it really

1246
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: means without say.

1247
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like ordering my blank and Blank eye

1248
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: lash serum from Blank and Blank Company because I feel

1249
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: like it.

1250
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 4: Works the best and what's wrong with that?

1251
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: And then I saw it and.

1252
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, because people are ruining their lives probably right, Yeah.

1253
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it really sounds like the the analogy

1254
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: you made early, not analogy the story you mentioned earlier

1255
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: of a woman who I mean, I presume it was

1256
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: a woman who is like should I pay my house

1257
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: payment or pay for this and I could make more money.

1258
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: It made it so clear for me, the gambling connection,

1259
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: and it almost almost sounds like an addiction, like it's

1260
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: just so unhealthy, it's just all all of this is

1261
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: just it's like it feels compulsive almost absolutely.

1262
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: It was strange. And then there's also this connection like

1263
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: me as somebody who is neurodivergent and has ADHD and

1264
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: has been diagnosed as ADHD. Uh, that's a dopamine deficiency.

1265
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: So my entire life always looking for my next h dopamine.

1266
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 3: And then here comes Lula Row and every week I'm

1267
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: ordering a box of dopamine being delivered on my front

1268
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: porch every single week. Now I'm ordering two boxes. It's

1269
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: coming every three days. Oh my gosh, look at all

1270
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: this dopamine. Oh I just sold the leggings dopamine, sold

1271
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: a shirt dopamine. There's a convention coming up dopamine. So

1272
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: I stayed in just because it fueled what I needed.

1273
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: My brain was like, we crave this, we don't have this,

1274
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: we need this, and I it was an addiction. I

1275
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 3: couldn't get away from it. And it was my own body,

1276
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 3: it was my own chemicals, and like my body and

1277
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: my mind like betraying me because Lula Roe's using these

1278
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: bright colors and you know, you go to a convention,

1279
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: it's like being in a troll party. It's like being

1280
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: like in the movie Trolls with all the glitter and

1281
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: all the things, and you're just like, this is the

1282
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: best thing I've ever experienced. Let's have more of this, right,

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Speaker 3: And it's just like dopamine dope, and dopamine dope me

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Speaker 3: like going into a casino and hearing the bells and

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Speaker 3: the whistles and the jingle jangle of all the things.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's it's put you there and it just

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Speaker 3: it's exciting. And we just got addicted. It was so addicted.

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Speaker 3: And you're just addicted to selling and you're addicted to buying,

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Speaker 3: but you're not addicted to making a profit and law

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Speaker 3: statement or checking in to make sure that you're not

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Speaker 3: spending too much or looking at your inventory and going,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, like you're just you're working towards these

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Speaker 3: goals that that they're not. They just they keep moving.

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Speaker 3: It's this golden carrot on a stick that's just always

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Speaker 3: right in front of you, and you might get something,

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Speaker 3: but as soon as you get something like, oh did

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Speaker 3: you see that next golden carrot, I was like, what, there's.

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Speaker 1: More sparically golden carrots. Yeah, they're always just moving.

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Speaker 3: That gold post is crazy, absolutely, I mean yeah, and

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Speaker 3: it's like I already have five golden carrots, so I

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Speaker 3: know I can get another one. Because every now and

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Speaker 3: then they do throw you a little bit of proof

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Speaker 3: that it works. You would stay a long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the golden carrots, even when we get them, they

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Speaker 2: don't fulfill its. Yeah, they don't.

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Speaker 3: The golden carrot was like five good prints in a

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Speaker 3: box of forty bad prints. You're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I can sell this.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay. And that concludes Part one. Stay tuned next

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Speaker 2: week for part two, where.

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Speaker 1: We get all into that family, that hazy, crazy family.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I like how she described the world as

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Speaker 2: a jelly bean world. We'll talk more about the jelly

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Speaker 2: bean world next week. But Megan, I was wondering, do

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Speaker 2: you think you would sell Lulaoe?

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Speaker 3: Interesting?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I did get hit up to buy some

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Speaker 1: of it, and I think even somebody said they liked

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Speaker 1: selling it. But I'm not good at selling things, or

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Speaker 1: organizing things, or even ordering things. So no, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that I would. But if I were good at

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Speaker 1: those things and I was getting thousands upon thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars in free vacations and all of these fun new friends,

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Speaker 1: I'd be a hook line and sinker.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I also would have a hard time

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Speaker 2: selling things. I feel like I'm better at selling like

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Speaker 2: other people like being like this person's great, they have

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Speaker 2: something awesome. But if it's like I have this product,

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Speaker 2: isn't it wonderful? I'm like, I'm having to force myself

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Speaker 2: to learn how to promote better because I just am

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Speaker 2: not good at it, and especially like I even opened

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Speaker 2: up an online shop, we're terrible at it. We don't

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Speaker 2: even tell people we have merch. I know suck's selling.

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Speaker 2: I know, by the way is l y slash trust

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Speaker 2: me merg.

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Speaker 4: It's so cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But like I love organizing and like creating projects

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Speaker 2: and stuff, but selling is like so not my strong suit.

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Speaker 2: If I'm supposed to like talk about something in a

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Speaker 2: way that makes whatever my thing is sound cool, I

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Speaker 2: just like clam up and get uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a skill set, and I can see how

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Speaker 1: if you were good at it, you could not even

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Speaker 1: realize you were using it in a bad way until

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Speaker 1: you were pretty deep in totally. But we'll talk more

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Speaker 1: about it all next week. We can't wait for you

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Speaker 1: to join us. Then, thank you for listening today. Rad

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Speaker 1: Us five stars if you haven't already, and as always,

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Speaker 1: remember to follow your gut, watch out for red flags,

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Speaker 1: and never ever.

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Speaker 5: Trust me bye.

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Speaker 2: Trust Me is produced by Kirsten Woodward, Gabby Rapp and

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Speaker 2: Steve Delemator.

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Speaker 4: With special thanks to Stacy Para.

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Speaker 2: And our theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at trust Me Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Twitter at trust Me Cult Pod, or on TikTok at

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Speaker 1: trust Me Cult Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ula Lola on Instagram and Ola Lola on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And I am Megan Elizabeth eleven on Instagram and Babraham

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Speaker 1: Hicks on Twitter.

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