1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Next Question with Katie Curic is a production of I 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Katie Curic Media. Hi everyone, I'm Katie Kuric, 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: and welcome to Next Question, where we try to understand 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: this complicated world we're living in and the crazy things 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: that are happening by asking questions and by listening to 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: people who really know what they're talking about. At times, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: it may lead to some pretty uncomfortable conversations, but stick 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: with me, everyone, let's all learn together. From your local 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: pharmacy to stores like Neiman Marcus and Sephora, it seems 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: you can't go anywhere these days without seeing or hearing 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: something about c B D phobe D is everywhere, d 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: C D oil phoebe D sold here. Celebrities like Amy 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Schumer and athletes like soccer star Megan Rapino and golfer 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Bubba Watson say it helps with everything from anxiety to 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: nausea to soar my soles. You can even walk into 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: your local bed, bath and beyond and find CBD for 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: that's right, your dog. It comes in oils, lotions, bath bombs, pills, 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: even gummies. And I actually tried a few products prepping 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: for this podcast. They smell a little like perfume. Let 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: me try one O. They taste a little like perfume. CBD, 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: which stands for is a chemical derived from the marijuana plant, 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: But unlike THHC that's another chemical found in marijuana, it 23 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: will not get you high. So my next question why 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: is CBD suddenly everywhere? And perhaps most importantly, does it 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: really work? A lot of celebrities these days are jumping 26 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: on the CBD bandwagon. Kristen, Hi, you are so sweet 27 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: to do this. I'm sorry, I know it's been such 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: a bear to schedule, but thank you so much. Oh 29 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: my god, of course I'm so happy to That's actress 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: Kristin Bell who's talked a lot about using CBD for 31 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: her anxiety. So why did she turn to it and 32 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: what is it doing for her? Kristen, when did you 33 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: start using CBD? I guess I started about two and 34 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: a half years ago. And what prompted you to start it? 35 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: You know? I had short of been hearing about it 36 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: for a while, and it was originally recommended to me 37 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: because my friends who were going on like red carpets 38 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: and wearing a high heel for a long time, had 39 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: this bomb with CBD in it that they were rubbing 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: on their ankles to save their feet. And I looked 41 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: into this company that made the ball most called Lord Jones, 42 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: and I noticed that they had a tincture. And I 43 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: noticed at a lot of people online had been saying 44 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: that it helps with anxiety because it generally has a 45 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: calming effect, and I am a very anxious person. You 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: noticed a real change, How did it make you feel? 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: And did it take a while for you to notice 48 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: the effects. It was like nothing I had ever tried. Okay, 49 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: so I did not notice it immediately. But what I 50 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: noticed about after the first I don't know, week or so, 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: when I drive home from work because I raised two 52 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: little girls, I'm on my way home from work going 53 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: through Okay, I need to remember to buy a new 54 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: lunch pail because that one got stinky. Or I need 55 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: to remember to replace the apples because they'll have no 56 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: apples for their lunches, like all these silly little things 57 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: like you know so and so neat the dentist appointment, 58 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: And I'm just going through this sort of mental frantic 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: list on my way home to get back into mom mode. 60 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: And about after the first week, I noticed I was 61 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: just enjoying the radio and I wasn't finding myself any 62 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: less efficient at home. The dentist appointment was still being made, 63 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: the lunch pail will still be going to ask you 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: who bought the apples. It was still me. It wasn't 65 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: a laziness at all. It was simply a slightly calmer 66 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: version of me that didn't need to worry frantically in 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: order to complete a task. Did I notice the effects 68 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: right away, No, because there's nothing that you can feel. 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: But what I did notice is I wasn't having these 70 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: about these sort of targeted bouts of anxiety when I 71 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: was alone, like in my car, and that's when it 72 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: hit me. I was like, oh, this is working for me. 73 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: Do you ever wonder, Christian, that it might be a 74 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: placebo effect? You know, I do think about that a lot, actually, 75 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: because I feel like I would be a candidate for pebo, 76 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: to be honest. Um. But I have tried a lot 77 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: of things. I mean I I've tried and I like 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: taking adaptagen sometimes for my anxiety. I've tried like every 79 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: little supplement or vitamin that comes on the market, and 80 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: I haven't noticed as much of a worry free Christen 81 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: as I do with CBD. You know, I know, Christen, 82 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: you've also been open about the fact that you like 83 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: to smoke plot occasionally. Is there a difference in terms 84 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: of the results? Oh, A bajillion degree of difference like this, 85 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Taking CBD you have you are fully functioning. You can 86 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: drive your car, you can make a science project with 87 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: your child, you can you know, take the l sets, 88 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: you can do whatever. There is nothing that messes with 89 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: your brain. You feel completely and utterly like yourself. You're 90 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: just breathing a little easier and with THHD when you 91 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: take something that has C HC and CBD, when you 92 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: use a vape or take a gummy or you know, 93 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: smoke a joint or something that has an effect on 94 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: your mind, and that world is totally different now from 95 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: the BBD world. And I, to be honest, like both. 96 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: But I'm clearly am raising two children. I'm not smoking 97 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: pot every day, you know what I mean? And before 98 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: we go, I just wanted to ask you, why do 99 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: you think this is such a hot trend right now? 100 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: Why do you think that everywhere you look, at least 101 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: for me, you've just see C B D a couple 102 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: of things. I think that speaks to a lot of 103 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: people speaking highly of it and seeing results. I don't 104 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: think something that's a snake oil gets this much heat 105 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: around it. I also think we are in a state 106 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: as humans where there is a lot of depression and 107 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: anxiety going around. People are going really fast. We have 108 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: our phones. We've been going at such a fast pace 109 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: as human beings. We are requiring things that calm us. 110 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: And for people that don't want to drink or do drugs, 111 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: this much like mindfulness is a very easy, simple effective 112 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: for me solution to being less anxious during the day. 113 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: It worked for Kristen Bell, but that doesn't necessarily mean 114 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: it works for everyone. I decided to try some CBD 115 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: products myself, and I got a boatload of them to 116 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: prepare for this episode. I even got my husband, John 117 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Mulner involved and made him try a CBD cream for 118 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: his aching feet. I did my left foot because my 119 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: left foot typically bothers me more than my right foot, 120 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: and so I just put some of that CBD cream 121 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: on my left foot and it felt pretty good this morning. 122 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: It didn't ache really, and it sometimes aches in the morning. Yeah, 123 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: you can do it. You're going to try it again. 124 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: I would try it again. Now I've been walking around 125 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: for a few hours and it's a little it's a 126 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 1: little laky, but um, it felt pretty good this morning, 127 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: and because it was morning, I decided to fix myself 128 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: a Friday. Did you know they even have c D 129 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: d olive oil. I also tried some CBD drops by 130 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: this tincture peppermint, and it says high cb D. Place 131 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: one full dropper under the tongue hold for sixty seconds 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: and then swallow. I've got a full dropper full um 133 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: under my comp I have to be honest, I didn't 134 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: really notice a big difference. Having said that, I'm not 135 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: sure I used it regularly enough for it to have 136 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: an effect, but clearly it is helping a lot of people. 137 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: And I wanted to understand why We're gonna take a 138 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: quick break here. We'll be back in a minute to 139 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: weed out CBD fact from fiction. Get it weed out. 140 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: I reached out to the go to woman for all 141 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: things CBD, Dr Yasmine heard she's the director of the 142 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: Addiction Institute at Mount Sinai and a professor of psychiatry, neuroscience, 143 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: and pharmacological sciences. I asked her to explain and layman's terms, 144 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: how CBD works. Understanding how CBD works is also challenging 145 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: for scientists. Many people are trying to figure out how 146 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: it works. We do know that it is a molecule 147 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: that's a cannabinoid that's found in the cannabis and hemp plants, 148 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: and it binds two receptors in our body and brain 149 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: that are regulating different transmitter systems. And what I mean 150 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: by that is that it will change the activity of 151 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: cells in different parts of the brain. So t HC 152 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: is a psychoactive component on the cannabis plant. That's why 153 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: people get the high. The intoxication that binds to the 154 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: cannabinoid receptors in our brain and our body. CBD actually 155 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: doesn't bind to those receptors that cause the intoxication. But 156 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: what it does is that it tweaks different neuro transmitter systems, 157 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: So it will turn up one transmitter system and turn 158 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: down another so that it stays in homeostasis in a way. 159 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: So neurotransmitters are responsible for things like pain or anxiety 160 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: or depression exactly, and CBD will alter those transmitter systems 161 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: that are involved in many different functions as you said, pain, mood, anxiety. 162 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: So it has a broad mechanism of action and that's 163 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that's been fascinating and frustrating for 164 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: the scientists, and that's why we all can figure it 165 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,479 Speaker 1: out completely. CBD has been shown to be really effective 166 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: in a in a couple of very important areas. What 167 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: are those. One of the disorders absolutely that is clear 168 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: from clinical trials is childhood epilepsy seizure disorders. So these 169 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: caesar disorders such as travaise, CBD is now an f 170 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: D approved medication for them. So that has think significantly 171 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: moved the field in believing that CBD has medicinal properties. 172 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: What about opioid addiction. I know there's exciting research that 173 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: you've done about that. We have conducted small clinical studies 174 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: that have shown that CBD decreased craving in people who 175 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: have an opiate use disorder. It decreased their anxiety related 176 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: to their craving as well, which are two key features 177 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: for why people relapse. So we're now going to start 178 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: a large clinical trial and we'll see whether or not 179 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: it replicates. But a lot of the work not only 180 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: from our group but from others, have now started to 181 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: show that CBD does have potential to decrease craving and 182 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: opioid users. So those are two very very exciting areas 183 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,479 Speaker 1: and that should counter this notion that it's just snake oil. Right, Absolutely, 184 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: CBD is not snake oil. There are people trying to 185 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: make it snake oil in promising that it can change 186 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: every single thing in our society. Clearly, it seems CBD 187 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: holds a lot of promise for a variety of conditions 188 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: and that's not lost on people who are hoping to 189 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: cash in. And no wonder, the market is projected to 190 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: reach twenty billion with the b BY So what is 191 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: your concern about this growing industry and the fact that 192 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: it's being sold in so many different forms for so 193 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,359 Speaker 1: many different problems. The fact that you can buy CBD 194 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: on your steak, in your coffee and water, even mess 195 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: Gara their CBD mascara, theres CBD mascara, and sadly there's 196 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: also CBD tampons. The problem is all of this lends 197 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: itself to many people thinking CBD is a snake oil, 198 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: because how can one thing help with all of these 199 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: different syndromes, disorders, even recreational quote unquote benefits. It can't. 200 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: It's a fat like any thing else. So that many 201 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: people are just trying to make money without ever having 202 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: to prove that their CBD messcara works. They don't have 203 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: to do that. They are just riding the wave of 204 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: CBD being a fed and wanting a part of that 205 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: industry because, like you said, it's gonna be billions of 206 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: dollars for me. That does trivialize the potential medicinal properties 207 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: that CBD is showing to have. So I want the 208 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: public to understand that there may be quote unquote snake 209 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: oil components out there regarding CBD that's very separate from 210 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: the promise that CBD does show. So dr heard, what 211 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: do you say to consumers? How do you know what works, 212 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: what doesn't, what's worth trying, what's not? How much is 213 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: too much to spend on these products? Well, the month 214 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: do you want to spend is going to be up 215 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: to you, Like I said, of fact, that someone will 216 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: pay fifty dollars for our coffee, you know, that's up 217 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: to them. However, for me, in terms of safety, that's 218 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: the thing that's the issue. Right, So many people are 219 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: consuming CBD and don't even know where it comes from, 220 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: so they don't know if CBD is really in the 221 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: product they've done studies where they have shown that the 222 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: amount of CBD that's actually in the product that's compared 223 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: to the label don't match, and in fact those products 224 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: might even contain things like lead and pesticides. So the 225 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: public needs to be aware. They have to do their 226 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: due diligence because now everybody and their mother is getting 227 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: into the CBD industry because of being a fat and 228 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: the profits that are there, So it is not as 229 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: regulated as it should be, and I think the FDA 230 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: they're starting to consider what types of regulations that will 231 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: be needed for CBD. Why isn't it regulated? I don't 232 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: think that the FDA realized how fast this was going 233 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: to explode and that they needed to be ahead of 234 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: this wave rather than behind it. So they're now catching 235 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: up and will start making so sort of guidelines. I 236 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: absolutely think that no company should be allowed to say 237 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: that CBD can do X, Y or Z unless they 238 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: prove it. This seems like a good time for a break, 239 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: so we'll be back in a moment. Rob Rosenheck and 240 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: Cindy Capa Bianco are the husband and wife co founders 241 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: of Lord Jones, the CBD company. Kristen Bell mentioned Rob 242 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: told me they'd be happy to have more regulation because 243 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: consumers need to know that the products that they're buying 244 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: are safe, that they're manufactured in a safe way, that 245 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: they're properly labeled, that the dosage is accurate, just like 246 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: any other food or any other drug. People want a 247 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: regulated system. They want a set of rules to play by. 248 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: They want to be able to comply with regulations and 249 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: um and put out products that are safe. Robin Cindy 250 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: now run a multimillion dollar empire. They start it out 251 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: in medical marijuana, but soon found that the real gold 252 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: could come from another part of the plant. There was 253 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: this other count of ainoid we started to read about 254 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: called CBD, and it was associated with all of these 255 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: health and wellness benefits, and we became obsessed with it, 256 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: and then we started to experiment, and so the first 257 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: thing we did was make combinations of CBD and th 258 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: HC and so our most popular product was this five 259 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: to one ratio, so it had five parts of CBD 260 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: to just one part of THHD, and we made that 261 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: both in skincare and in ingestibles, and it became our 262 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: most popular product formulation. We first introduced hemp derived CBD 263 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: only products, so they were our same formulations of skincare 264 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: or confections, and we made those available in two thousand seventeen, 265 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: and in one month the business grew larger than our 266 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: entire THHD business, and we realized that was our future. 267 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Why do you think this CDD business and market has 268 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: absolutely exploded? They're basically two reasons for it. The first 269 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: is the whole legalization movement of cannabis, So that's been 270 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: happening for twenty years, and more consumers are aware of it, 271 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: more consumers are in favor of it. A majority of 272 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: Americans have access to some form of cannabis in the 273 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: state that they live. A majority of Republicans are in 274 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: favor of legalization. That truly is an issue that unites us. 275 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: And the second piece is the passage of the two 276 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen Farm Bill. So it made these products available 277 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: at the same time that people were curious about them, 278 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: and that opened up the floodgate. You sent me some samples, 279 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: but wow, your products are expensive. Your gum drops cost 280 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: fifty a pack, your oils cost up to a hundred bucks. 281 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Could chang rob CBD is an expensive ingredient if you 282 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: look at all of the CBD products that are out there, 283 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: ores are actually comparably priced. There's a couple of things 284 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: that consumers should be aware of, their different kinds of 285 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: CBD and different methods of extracting CBD. So when you 286 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: grow hemp plants, you get this giant plant. There's a 287 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: lot of biomass, but you only get a very tiny 288 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: amount of CBD from that plant. And supply and demand 289 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: it is, and we don't have enough supply of hemp 290 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: right now to provide the demand for CBD. But when 291 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: you extract it, you only get a little bit, so 292 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: it's an expensive ingredient. The other thing is there's two 293 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: different main ways to extract CBD. You can extract the 294 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: oil from the plant, or you can distill it down 295 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: into what's called an isolate, which is just pure cbd. 296 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: It doesn't have the other turpenes and plant waxes and 297 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: constituent components of the plant. Isolate is a more refined 298 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: form of CBD that's cheaper and not as effective. So 299 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: you want to get either a full spectrum or a 300 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: broad spectrum oil that's sourced from domestically grown hemp, and 301 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: that CBD is more costly and that's why some CBD 302 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: products are priced higher. Meanwhile, Rob has been really open 303 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: about his depression and talking about what's helped him deal 304 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: with it. Can I ask you a personal question, of course, 305 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: how often do you use CBD and do you still 306 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: use cannabis for your depression or do you feel that 307 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: CBD has helped you enough. I do use CBD, and 308 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: I do use th hc U CBD every day. I 309 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: put it on my face, I do why. It makes 310 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: my skin feel nice, and I take it in the 311 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: evening to help you sleep, help me sleep sometimes. But 312 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: for your depression, you still feel still use cannabis regularly, 313 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: a couple of times a week. I really enjoy it. 314 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: It's legal now in California, and it takes the edge 315 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: off I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke tobacco, but 316 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: I do enjoy cannabis. One thing is clear. We're very 317 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: much in the early days of CBD. But for those 318 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: who suffer from a whole host of problems from anxiety 319 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: to pain to addiction, and for people like Dr Heard 320 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: who are trying to help them, this new frontier offers 321 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: tremendous hope. What are you most excited about when it 322 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: comes to cb D. I'm actually most excited by the 323 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: fact that more researchers are getting into this so that 324 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: we will be able to finally tease out one how 325 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: CBD fully works and have more insight into what disorders 326 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: and symptoms it might be beneficial for. I am excited 327 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: because I'll start to conduct some clinical trials of our own, 328 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: really large ones that we just got a grant for 329 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: from the n i H National Institutes of Health, and 330 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: we'll finally know whether or not, in a large population, 331 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: does it really decrease craving in people with an opiate 332 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: use disorder? And that's exciting for me. Next Question with 333 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Katie Couric is a production of I Heart Radio and 334 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: Katie Curic Media. The executive producers are Katie Couric, Lauren 335 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Bright Pacheco, Julie Douglas, and Tyler Klang. 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