1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,479 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's what Really missed podcast. I just 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 3: peed my pants a little bit. 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: Legends, John Icon's Legends, people who have broken the mold, 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: made a new one. 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got the go Gos today, We've got 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Gina Shock and Kathy Valentine of the Go Gos, the 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: go joking they are, they are the Go Gos. They 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: need no introduction, but wow, what a great conversation and 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: one an honor. I think I said one and honor 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: to have you guys about fifty times. 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: I found myself just staring a couple of times. 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 4: We're here. 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really really special. 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: Well, we got to do two of their songs on Glee, 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: so we get to hear their thoughts. Also, just the 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: insight of having such a long and successful career and 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: varied career. 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 5: That's right. 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: They're just so wise and so creative. And I learned 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: a lot and a lot about myself during this interview. 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: So strap in, get ready. It is just a wonderful, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: wonderful conversation with rock legends, Gina Shock, Kathy Valentine. Listen, 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Thank you both for being here and joining us. This 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: is very exciting. 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, I don't think. 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: I don't think I got to meet you guys. 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: You know, I did the reading of Head Over Heels 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: at Vassar with Michael and Spencer and all the fun people. 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: But I don't know that I got to meet Jane. 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: But I didn't. I don't think I got to. 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: Meet you guys. 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 5: I wasn't there. 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Kathy, you're working on a production now, right. 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm having the best time. 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: Production is awesome, and I'm the band leader and I'm 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: in every performance. 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 5: I'm having the best time. 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: I thought it might be a grind, you know, like 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 4: hut me up the same place, but it feels fresh 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 4: and exciting and original every single time. 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: Oh that's great. That's really exciting. It must be exciting 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: for them to have you there as well. 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 5: It is. I feel like a big star. 46 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: You are a big star finally. 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 4: Like moving away from Austin and like now I'm getting 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: all this, Like, well, I just went to get juice 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 4: at my juice place and there was these guys talking 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: about Head. 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 5: Over Heels and they have a go go and she 52 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 5: lives here. 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: And I'm like it's me. I'm here. I'm the go 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: Go Wow. 55 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: Well, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us, you guys. 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: It is such an honor to have you here. We're 57 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: just so excited to talk to you guys. First of all, obviously, 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: since this is a Glee podcast, we did two of 59 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: your iconic songs. We got the Beat in Vacation. Do you, 60 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: guys remember or were you involved in any of the 61 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: process of like allowing the song to be used, either 62 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: song to be used on the show. 63 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can. 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 4: I can tell you that for musicians these days, it's 65 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 4: not easy to earn a living unless you're touring all 66 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: the time. You don't sell a lot of records anymore 67 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: with streaming and so it's touring and merch it's really 68 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: how you make money and licensing. So if you've got 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 4: a song that is ever asked to bensing licensed for anything, 70 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: it's kind of like a godsend. We all wait for 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: something like that to happen, because it's not easy out 72 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: there for musicians these. 73 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Days, certainly, certainly so. 74 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, if I got a request to use any song 75 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: I wrote for just about anything, unless it was like gross, 76 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: then I would say no. 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 5: I wouldn't. 78 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: There's certain we won't get into it, but there's certain 79 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: things I would say no too. 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: Totally. 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: That's good news. 82 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: That's good I imagine too, like you've these songs have 83 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: taken on a life of their own, They've become massive. 84 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: What you achieved hasn't been achieved before since where I 85 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: imagine the amount of people asking for permission to do 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: these songs or the amount of versions you've heard of 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: these songs over the years has been pretty incredible, incredible. 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: Have you did you get a chance to see the 89 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: Glee versions of these songs or the performances. 90 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 6: I just looked at them again today and it was 91 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 6: pretty cool. It was actually like what you guys did 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 6: with it. You you injected new life into the songs 93 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 6: that your versions of them both. And it's also really 94 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 6: cool to have a go those song and something as 95 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 6: big as Blee was and still sort of is. 96 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: You know, yeah that really those sort of nods keep 97 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: the band's name and legacy alive. So especially before we 98 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 4: got in the rock hall, these kind of that kind 99 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 4: of exposure and to younger people. You know, my daughter 100 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: was a Glee fan and I'm at first she was 101 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: just like over the moon when Mom, Mom. 102 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 5: They're doing your song. 103 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: Oh, that's cool. 104 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: I mean it was so cool for us too to 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: get to do those songs too, because these are songs 106 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: we grew up with and then, you know, we've talked 107 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: about before how like you hope, we hope that we 108 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: do them justice, and you hope that the people who 109 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: actually wrote and performed these songs like them. So to 110 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: be able to you know, have you both say you've 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: watched it and you approve the kids approve is pretty big. 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: And yeah, the. 113 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 6: Vocals on them were really good too, and the backing 114 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 6: harm it sounded really cool for it was perfect. It 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 6: was absolutely perfectly for the show. 116 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: It was right in the part that means a lot. 117 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 4: I think we learned when we when the musical was 118 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: on Broadway that it kind of made us really out 119 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: at the strength of the material because of a song 120 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: can be done in that setting, in a theatrical setting, 121 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: and a musical shows. It's just a testament to how 122 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: good the material is. And it's it's really exciting for 123 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 4: us to see that, and I think that it just 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 4: kind of makes us feel even more proud of our legacy. 125 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, when when they came around saying 126 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: that they were going to do a Go Go's musical. 127 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: It was like a no brainer. 128 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: You're like one thousand percent, there's a thousand songs you 129 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: could use, Which ones? How are they going to be used? 130 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: In what context? It's just you could go and just 131 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: close your eyes and listen to the music and it 132 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: would still be greats. 133 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 6: That were done were fantastic, every perfection that I've seen 134 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 6: this far, like one, and it was in Baltimore. We 135 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 6: saw them one up the Broadway, Kathy doing hers. Where 136 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 6: else I saw a loved one somewhere elseon I just 137 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 6: love the different like you know, original touches that are 138 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 6: put to each production from the cast members, but everybody 139 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 6: doing such like giving it. They're absolute all to make 140 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 6: these songs come alive. And it really it was. I 141 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 6: was smiling ear to ear and I like when I 142 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 6: first went because I was never a big stand of musicals, 143 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 6: you know, and when this happened, when I saw brow, 144 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 6: it knocked me out because how they were made these 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 6: songs work in this in these you know, these settings 146 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 6: and a musical. I thought, oh, I can't imagine we're 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 6: like this, but it was really good and it continues 148 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: to be good in every places. I'd like to be down, 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 6: I can't. I hope I can come down pictures. 150 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd love for you to come there. Are you kidding? 151 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: You'd be like a huge star here and they're like, oh, 152 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: that tired old go go Kathy. 153 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 5: We need some fresh go go meat. 154 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: What's better than one go go? You know? 155 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 156 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: And I do think that having us in Glee and 157 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: some there's a couple of other big shows that did 158 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: us featured us musically, and I think that that helped 159 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: pave the way for the. 160 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 5: Idea for the music to work in a musical. 161 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: So we actually, oh, you you know, Glee, we owe 162 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 4: the producers and the cast and the people a huge 163 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: debt of thanks for you know, acknowledging us and honor us. 164 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 5: They helped us a lot. So we're glad to be 165 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 5: here to kind of pay it forward. 166 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: Oh, We're so glad. The fans will be happy to 167 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: hear that. 168 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: We We always say that Glee was above all things. 169 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Hre Ryan murfeat Lee said, this is like Glee is 170 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: a love letter to all the artists that we idolized 171 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: that shaped us, impacted us growing up and into the 172 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: artists we are today, So it felt so natural for 173 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: us to be doing the Go Gos, especially as a female. 174 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm just curious for you guys, as an all female 175 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: rock band during such a time I am where it 176 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: was like all very male dominated, what that was like 177 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: for you guys. Was it challenging at all or what 178 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: was that experience? Like? 179 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the thing is is I love. I 180 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 6: love being in a band. I know Kathy likes in 181 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 6: a band, you know, because you have each other to 182 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 6: fall back on, rely on, and us knowing each other 183 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 6: as well as we did, we're like a pack of 184 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 6: wild animals let loose, cut loose over the world when 185 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 6: we're together, and we always we always had each other 186 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 6: to rely on, and you know if we I mean, 187 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 6: of course, the odds were against us because nobody wanted 188 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 6: to sign an all female band back then, because there 189 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 6: had been no all female bands that had been hugely 190 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 6: successful on an international level, and so everyone was hesitant, 191 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 6: and we just made up our minds that we're just 192 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 6: going to keep doing what we're doing. We love what 193 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 6: we're doing, we're good friends, we're having a great time, 194 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 6: and we have something to say, and we were just 195 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 6: going to keep pushing and pushing. And also the scene 196 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 6: back then was so inclusive with our like the punk scene, 197 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 6: the rock scene in La back then. Man, it was great, 198 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 6: all each all the beings supported each other. We'd all 199 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 6: go to each other's shows. So Sert of Us, the 200 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 6: Fire of Us, and then all our colleagues, all our 201 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 6: buddies and other bands against you know, the man, and 202 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 6: we were all we were there to show everybody, you know, 203 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 6: check us out. We got something happened here. 204 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: Certainly did. 205 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: That's so important to have that community too, especially when 206 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: you know, I imagine when you're in it, you may 207 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: not feel it, but you were doing something that hadn't 208 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: really ever been done before. And then when the man 209 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: did see that there was that other people had a 210 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: hunger and desire to hear that, to consume that, did 211 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: it feel like, yeah, thanks for catching up. Now finally 212 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: we knew we were good and everybody or was it 213 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: one of those things We're like, we were just you know, 214 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: keeping our head down, doing our thing, and we're lucky 215 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: that this happened. 216 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: Well, we know, I think, I mean I Gina and 217 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 4: I have a lot in common in terms of the 218 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 4: go gos because we were both you know, on a 219 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: as musicians, we both planned bands, and we moved from 220 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: our hometown so here from Baltimore, me from Austin to 221 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: LA to make it in the business. And we both 222 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: saw the Go Gos and saw that this was the 223 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: this was the band that could make our dreak. So 224 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 4: we shared that we saw it. I just you could 225 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: sense it. You just knew that the band was going 226 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: to be. It had chemistry and to this day, if 227 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: you were to put us in a room, the chemistry 228 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: would be very evident to anyone else. So we had 229 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 4: that in common. But we also were the only two 230 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: people in the band that don't have sisters. I'm an 231 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: only child. Jena had a brother, and so for me 232 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 4: it was such a sisterhood. It really felt like a 233 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: family to me. And I'd never had that feeling of 234 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: big sisters, little sisters, or you know, sit close in 235 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: age sisters. And I loved that aspect of the Go Gos. 236 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: And it's actually something I still love about playing with women. 237 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: It feels like the sister I never got to have. 238 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: I just love you just. 239 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 5: Because of my wisdom and perceptive insights. 240 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 6: I mean absolutely, it took the words out. 241 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 5: Of a round. 242 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, can you talk about like how your songwriting process, 243 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 7: like what it's like or how it evolved over the years. 244 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: Do you guys write together. 245 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: I know, Kathy, you wrote Vacation, Like tell us about 246 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: that a little bit. 247 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 4: I wrote Vacation before I was in the band, and 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 4: the Go Gos were very much like a lot of bands, 249 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 4: and that you're out playing the clubs and you're kind 250 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: of getting better, and by the time you make your. 251 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 5: First record, the songs are pretty much much there. 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 4: You've been playing them, you've ditched the ones that are duds, 253 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: and you've you know, you kind of know. And by 254 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: the time you get to your second record, you've been 255 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 4: working that first record and you don't have a lot 256 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 4: of material. So the first record was was dominated by 257 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: Charlotte and Jane's writing, and they'd hit they had hit 258 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: a real just like it happens a lot with Lennon 259 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 4: McCartney and just different writers. 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 5: They just hit this vein almost of. 261 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: Just gold we're tapped in. 262 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 263 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 6: It a magical flow, a magical flow that happens at 264 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 6: that particular time, you know, in their songwriting career and 265 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 6: in history whatever, when it is flowing and it seems 266 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 6: like it's all gold. 267 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, it was, and it made for a 268 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: great record. 269 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: I was very happy to get one song on the 270 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 4: album because I was the newest member. 271 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: But when it came. 272 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: Down to the second record, we didn't have that material 273 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: that was tried and through, that had been road tested 274 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: and everything, so we were kind of scrambling and we 275 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: started getting I started bringing in more material like vacation 276 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: and we don't get Along, and Gina started writing more. 277 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: Even though she hadn't been a writer, she started getting 278 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: in their writing, and that continued to go. I think 279 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: if we'd stepped together past a talk show our third album, 280 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: I think we would have done a lot of collaborative 281 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: writing in the room. But other forces were at play 282 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 4: and that didn't happen. But that's the direction we were headed. 283 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 4: And regardless of who stayed home with us with their 284 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: notebook and cassette deck and wrote a song, regardless of 285 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: who did that, it was very much the musicians that 286 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: brought that song to life. I mean, if you don't 287 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: hear that drum beat first singing and go that's we 288 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: got the beat, then you don't you know what I mean? 289 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: It's like that is that's what signals that song, and 290 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 4: it's really there's not a lot there or without that, 291 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: you know, and there's not a lot there without certain 292 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: guitar riffs, you know, like here or just there's little 293 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: hooks that everyone brought to whatever, whoever wrote the song. 294 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 5: But Linda's voice. She might not have written a song, 295 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 5: but that voice singing the songs. 296 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 6: Kathy, what you're saying, and this was the great thing 297 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 6: about our band is that we were noted with hooks, 298 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 6: melodic and musicals like guitars, you know, bassed katy bok 299 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 6: boto boom boto, boom bo. I mean, you know what 300 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 6: when Kathy and I used to we rehearse the two 301 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 6: of us by ourselves for hours before we'd even get 302 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 6: with the band. So when the ban would come in, 303 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 6: we were tight. 304 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 5: We were rocking hard already. 305 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: I love that. 306 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, Kathy being a really good musician, 307 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 6: and she had you know, said it like we both 308 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 6: came to the same sort of thing. Kathy was also 309 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 6: a writer. I wasn't really a writer when we started, 310 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 6: but I was like, Kathy really actually did encourage me 311 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 6: to write. Was like, Gina, let me write with you. 312 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: It was like I remember I remember exactly what I said. 313 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 4: I go, you know more about music than anybody I know, 314 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 4: and I said, and you have a very strong point 315 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: of view and opinion about your perspective. 316 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: And that's what that's what writing is. 317 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 4: You put your you put your opinion to words, you 318 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: put your musical knowledge. And I saw that, Gina, and 319 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: I remember saying that because you were like, no, I know, 320 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: she was. 321 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 6: Sort of championed. She was my champion certainly in the beginning. 322 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 6: It always has been, and so I didn't fall into 323 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 6: my songwriting like gold Golden Years until much later. But 324 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 6: you know, Kathy was certainly one of the few people 325 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 6: that really encouraged me initially to push to keep pushing, 326 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 6: you know, in that area of my musical career. And 327 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 6: you know, it's all worked out great. 328 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: That's what good friends do. 329 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, good friends. And I think that's a great point 330 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: that you were both making about when it comes to songwriting, 331 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: people identify just the lyrics or just the song melody, 332 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: where in a band like that, I don't think a 333 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: lot of credit is given to the collaboration that is 334 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: necessary to make its lightning in a bottle. Anytime you 335 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: have a single hit, you guys had hits upon hits 336 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: upon hits, and that can only be explained by everybody 337 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: contributing their own weight and skill and talent to a 338 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: collaborative process like that where you talk about the drum 339 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: beat or a bassline or a guitar riff, all of 340 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: those things are coming from individuals. But when you look 341 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: necessarily on the credit sheets, like well this person did 342 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: the music and the lyrics, where it takes an entire 343 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: group to make that happen, and natural chemistry and encouraging 344 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: each other absolutely, And. 345 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 4: It's not only that, I don't know what it's like 346 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: these days, but back then, to work a record, you 347 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: would get in your vand and you would play every set. 348 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 4: The whole band's not doing that, not just the songwriters. 349 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: You're going to morning radio shows shaking hands or doing 350 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 4: station IDs. 351 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 5: You're showing. 352 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 4: You promoting like crazy, and you know, with no disrespect 353 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 4: at all. 354 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 5: Let's see how. 355 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 4: Far a song goes without five big personalities shoving that 356 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 4: thing down the road day after day after day. And 357 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: the case our first singles, our lips are sealed. We 358 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 4: it took eight months for that song to crack the 359 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: top thirty. Oh god much, and that's a lot of 360 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 4: radio as it's in a lot of glad handling, and 361 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 4: a lot of a lot. 362 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: Of travel around the country in a band, all of 363 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 6: us with our equipment. 364 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 5: You know. 365 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 4: So then we'll he's working and everybody's up there on stage, 366 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 4: and people have a great time at the concert and 367 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 4: they go buy the record or they go they want 368 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 4: to hear it, and they request it. And that's why 369 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 4: impletely agree, you know. And I do feel strongly about 370 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: it because it undoes a lot of bands. And when 371 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: young bands come to me and they ask for advice, 372 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 4: I always say, get the get the equality thing sorted 373 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 4: out right away. Doesn't mean you have to give writing 374 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: credit if someone didn't write a song, but boy, you 375 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: better find a way to acknowledge the work and effort 376 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: everyone is doing. 377 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 5: You know, somebody you do, all. 378 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 6: Being smart or different, you know, and and you know, 379 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 6: I mean Kathy and I. We can just speak for 380 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 6: our brand and how we worked and the amount of 381 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 6: work each put into making each song happen, each record, 382 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 6: each tour, everything. It was a lot of work. But hey, 383 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 6: we we were loving it ultimately, or we would wouldn't 384 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 6: have done it. 385 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 4: I wanted to talk briefly about those two performances, because 386 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 4: I I liked that we got the beat one on 387 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: Glee Moore, because just it was just felt more in 388 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: line with the song. 389 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 5: The Vacation one would like the show Girls thing. It's 390 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 5: like it. 391 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 4: I didn't quite feel like the essence of the song 392 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 4: was really matched well, and I know the context. 393 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 5: I don't know the context of why it's done like that. 394 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: Those those competitions are our competition numbers, and they're always 395 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: you know, if you go back, like we're doing this 396 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: podcast and rewatching the show now, you know with these 397 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: fresh eyes you have to look at as a satire. 398 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: The show is a satire, right, and so when you're 399 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: watching it, these these other you know, glee clubs that 400 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: come from nowhere, you have no context of the characters 401 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: who they are. There are competition essentially, and so that's 402 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: what Vacation was. 403 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 4: So if the glee if the high school glee club 404 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: had done it, it would have been different. 405 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, it would have been much more in line 406 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: if we got the Oh wow, But that is fair opportunar. 407 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: If there's a reboot, then we can readdress. 408 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: It, revisit vacation. 409 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, the college, right, they got the color scheme was 410 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 4: really good. 411 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: Very true. 412 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: Hates it. 413 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: The insight of having like the musical perspective of like 414 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: hearing about working a record, and it made me think 415 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: there has to be a direct correlation or do you 416 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: think there's a direct correlation to how these songs have 417 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: lived on for generations of people? 418 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 5: Is? 419 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: I mean? I feel like the music business is tiny, tiny, 420 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: teeny tiny, and when you're going out there and meeting 421 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: all these radio people, record executives, seeing fans in all 422 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: parts of the US. When you are working a record, 423 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: even the first single, second single, whatever it may be, 424 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: those impressions last time, those last general, those carry on 425 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: from generation generation and so then when you have those 426 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: songs become hits, people root for you, and those radio 427 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: stations work for you and root for you. That I 428 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: feel like, do you feel when you work a record 429 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: like that, can you see a line from there to 430 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: you know, a song ending up on Glee to the 431 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: songs ending up on Broadway because you've built those relationships. 432 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 5: No, I don't think that that's amazing. I don't think it. 433 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 5: I don't think that's a straight line. 434 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 4: I think the go gos occupy a place in pop 435 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: culture that everything our songs matched where we belonged in 436 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: pop culture and longevity. But like my daughter will play 437 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: I'm not going to name any names, but she'll play 438 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: something today and I'm like, yeah, that's fun, but you're 439 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: not going to be hearing it in forty years like. 440 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: My current right totally. 441 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 5: So that's it's all. It's so much about the songs. 442 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: But we we really have a place in pop culture 443 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 4: that we're so grateful for, Like we we capture an era, 444 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: and I think a lot of it is like, you know, 445 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: we happened at a dark time where you know, not 446 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 4: to get heavy political, but you know, Aids and Reagan 447 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 4: and things were changing big in this country and there 448 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: were some dark times and the Go Gos were light 449 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: and fun, and you know, our first misstep was when 450 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 4: we decided we wanted to be taken seriously and like 451 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 4: everybody thinks we're just lightweight, so we need to be serious, 452 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: and you know, it took us a while to realize. 453 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 5: No, we don't. We're fun. We're like to be fifty two's. 454 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: We're like, we're a fun band that people come to 455 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 4: and and forget. 456 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 6: Still want to come to our shows exactly Katy Exactly. 457 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 6: I couldn't be any more. People want to come to 458 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 6: our shows and forget about, you know, what's any heavy 459 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: things that are going on in our lives, because at 460 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 6: our shows, everybody's singing, everybody's dancing. It's just a really light, 461 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 6: sort of like joyous affair. You know, people are smiling, 462 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 6: they're having a good time. And really that's where that's 463 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 6: what our music is a bad and that's a great 464 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 6: legacy cat on that. 465 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is, and I think that's I think 466 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons that we're embedded into like 467 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 4: the zeitgeist of pop culture is because we were. 468 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 5: There at a time. 469 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 4: And also just the eighties in general are like people 470 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: look back with a lot of fondness. But I'm really 471 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 4: happy and proud that our music does it really sound eighties, 472 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: Like when you listen to it, you don't go, oh, 473 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 4: there's that snare drum sound. That's I mean, it sounds 474 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 4: very timeless. And we owe Richard Goughter or our producer, yeah, 475 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 4: a big, a big because we weren't convinced, you know, 476 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 4: we weren't convinced that he'd done what needed not that 477 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 4: we wanted to sound eighties, but because we didn't know 478 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: the eighties sound in nineteen eighty one. 479 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 5: But we wanted to sound more like the Ramones or Blondie. 480 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 5: We wanted we wanted to sound more I don't know, 481 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 5: like raw and a. 482 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 6: Little more tougher, a little more at the ende of it, 483 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 6: like you know what, at the heart of those songs, 484 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 6: all those songs might have been a little more fronted 485 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 6: we played love, but when they were recorded, at the 486 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 6: heart of them all, they're just great pop songs. 487 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, oh totally. That's fine to be in 488 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: it is. I mean, your music really does transcend time. 489 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean even now we put it on in our 490 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: house and like it just it brings joy. You get 491 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: lost in the music, You get lost in the joy 492 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: and like you know, even in times like today, we 493 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: still need that, we need levity, and we need to 494 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: kind of just forget. So you guys continue to do that. 495 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 4: Well, you know, neither Gina or me wants to walk 496 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 4: around being frustrated and upset. But you know, we would 497 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 4: both love to still be touring because the when when 498 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: we would get out there on in our concerts, you 499 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 4: would see you would see little children eight year old 500 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 4: nine year olds looking at you like they've never seen 501 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: anything like this, you know, thirty five years after we 502 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 4: first came out and had nine year olds watching MTV today, 503 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 4: and you'd have teenagers and college kids and their moms 504 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 4: and grandmothers. I mean, we had such multi generation, multi 505 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: generational reachover fans, and I just think it would be 506 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 4: such a strong message now for us to be out 507 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: in our sixties, kind of just making that like Deborah 508 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 4: Harry does, you know in Blondie, like saying, hey, just 509 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 4: because you're a woman that's not in her thirties and 510 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 4: in her physical prime, doesn't mean. 511 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 5: That you can't still be out there. And you know, 512 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: it's it's. 513 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 4: Not like it's not like the like everybody's in a 514 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 4: different place, which you can't expect everyone to act like 515 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 4: they're in their twenties, you know. 516 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 5: So I get why. 517 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: Some people don't want to do it anymore, but it's 518 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: it would be so such a great message to be 519 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 4: out there doing the go gos. 520 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 5: Know still it's role like, hey, this is what this 521 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 5: is what sixty four or sixty five is. 522 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, perfect time to be doing that. But you know, 523 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 6: tough to get everybody. 524 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: Together, sure, I mean watching you guys at the Rock 525 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame, Like, congratulations, what an honor. Huge, 526 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: It was so what a great intro you guys got 527 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: from Drew and then to watch you guys perform like 528 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: that all together, it just like it was so there 529 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: was just so much joy to see you guys. I 530 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: was so happy to see you guys all together. 531 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: So it was really really great. 532 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 6: It was definitely that night was almost a complete blur 533 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 6: for me because I I it was all very surreal, 534 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 6: you know. I mean everybody that we were hanging out 535 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 6: with backstage, from Paul McCartney to Brandon cart out of 536 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 6: you and you name it, everybody in between. It was 537 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 6: like wow. And then to get playing in front of 538 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 6: all the audience that we you know, we're playing in 539 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 6: front of, you know, like jay Z was sitting right 540 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 6: in the front road. I mean, it was really something. 541 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 6: Food Fighters, I don't know, craft work got inducted off. 542 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 6: What a great time we had. And I don't know 543 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 6: about you, Cathy, but playing those three songs, I don't 544 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 6: even remember playing them. The atreatment was pumping so hard, men, 545 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 6: it was fun. I was kind of scared to really 546 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 6: go in one of those books. But I think it turned. 547 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 6: I think it did well. 548 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: It's so great. 549 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 5: It was a great night. 550 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and some of the people in the 551 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 4: band feel like, you know, this was the height, let's 552 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 4: go out on top. 553 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 5: And I do understand that that. 554 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: Mentality, especially when you know you've got homes and pets 555 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: and lives that you don't want to leave. 556 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 5: You know, it's not easy for us to leave either. 557 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 4: You know, you've got I'll sit her in a pet 558 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: sitter and and all that. 559 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 5: But so I get that it was a definite high point. 560 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: And maybe but you know, there's a band is like, 561 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 4: you know, it's like a family, it's like a marriage, 562 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 4: and you don't always see eye to eye and agree. 563 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: And the last thing any of us wants to do 564 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 4: is go out and tour with somebody that doesn't want 565 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: to be. 566 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 5: There, you know, So that's never work. 567 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 8: You know, we don't have to be we don't have 568 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 8: to be on the same page wanting wanting to go 569 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 8: out there as a band and play these songs for 570 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 8: our Go Gos fans, which there it just seems like, 571 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 8: you know, it seemed like we could just play forever. 572 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 6: We were constantly getting offers to play, so it is it 573 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 6: kind of sucks that we're not out there, but you know, 574 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 6: you can't control everybody. Everybody's doing their thing. I mean, look, 575 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 6: you know what that being said, I know, I've been 576 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 6: incredibly busy with what I'm doing, and so is Kathy. 577 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 6: Kathy's out there playing all the time. I'm oh, by 578 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 6: the way, you guys, I have a new single out, yes, 579 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 6: and it's called Small Pretty with my band House of Shock. 580 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: So I'm excited, yeah today. 581 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 6: And so you know, and I'm getting ready to go out, 582 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 6: you know, and tour in twenty twenty four. Try to 583 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 6: put that together with my band. I'm getting the always 584 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 6: early and so I mean. 585 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 5: I'm working on that. 586 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 6: And I've got a new art project coming out in 587 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 6: two days that's been a premiere what a company called 588 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 6: Seinport and it is these incredible led technology with drumming 589 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 6: look and you guys, you've got to check it out 590 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 6: ginashock art. 591 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Dot com, ginashock art dot com. 592 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 593 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 4: And the thing is, I would argue that if if 594 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 4: you don't have the space, you don't tend to look 595 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: and go into these other outlets. You know a lot 596 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 4: of ways. It's true, sureles seeing to have that space 597 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 4: open up. I know, in twenty twenty, I wrote and 598 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 4: put out a book that if I'd been touring and 599 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 4: been in, you know, in the band, I wouldn't have 600 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: had time to do. And that changed my life, you know, 601 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: it made me want to step out. And I think 602 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 4: another thing Gena and I have in common is we 603 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 4: were always we were always just satisfied and happy being 604 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 4: in a cool band. 605 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 5: That made it. That was enough. 606 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 4: And if I had one thing I wish I'd done, 607 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 4: I wish that I had stepped out sooner and been 608 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 4: not so comfortable just. 609 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 5: Being a cool chick and a cool band. 610 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 4: I wish I'd been a little bit more brave about 611 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 4: being Kathy Valentine. And it took my book for me 612 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: to do that and go, Okay, I'm in my sixties, 613 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 4: but it's not too late. 614 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 5: I can. 615 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 4: And now I'm doing so many things as me and 616 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 4: it's really exciting. 617 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 5: Like when people invite me. 618 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 4: To come sit in or and Gene is doing the 619 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: same exact thing, it's like, it's really, it's really and 620 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 4: in a way that's its own message that it's never 621 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 4: too late to just own who you are and what 622 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 4: you know. 623 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 5: You don't always need to pad yourself with everybody else. 624 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: It might be safe, you know, it might be safe, 625 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: but and it's a little more scary to go out 626 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 4: there on your own. I never wanted to be the star. 627 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 4: I never wanted to be the front person, so I wasn't. 628 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 4: I don't know what I would have done, but I'm 629 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 4: glad that I have this space in my life. 630 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 6: It worked out the way it's supposed to. You Cat, 631 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 6: and you know what, your book came out when it 632 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 6: was supposed to. And you know, if any if anyone 633 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 6: doesn't have you get her book is really awesome. It's 634 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 6: incredibly revealing. 635 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 5: Gina has a book out too. 636 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 6: Oh I have a book out, yeah, Maide in Hollywood. 637 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 6: But that's like fair compared Kathy's is like kind of heavy, 638 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 6: you know, it's. 639 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 5: A literary masterpiece. 640 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 6: Is New York Times bestseller. Mine's one of the book 641 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 6: of photos that I took, uh for forty years in 642 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 6: the band. And then I have some stuck with that too. 643 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 6: But uh so we both books, we're like parallelized, We're 644 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 6: both doing the same thing. 645 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 646 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, the creativity is clearly just bubbling out from every pore. 647 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: You can't help out creating it. 648 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that resonates with us too as a as a 649 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: Glee cast and with so many cast members, and there's 650 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: this you know, it's very similar in this family where 651 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: not everybody's on the same page all the time, but 652 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: you're still family and you you went through something so 653 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: unique and special together and and you know, then you 654 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: have to kind of find yourself and find your worth 655 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: in your own person. And so I think that's such 656 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: a great lesson, especially for these like you know, inspired 657 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: artists who are you know, up and coming to really 658 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: you know. 659 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 3: Step out of the box and not be afraid. 660 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 4: It's so much the same thing. It's like your identity 661 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 4: becomes what you do. 662 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, forget how what Kathy's said about you pad yourself 663 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: like happy to just be a part of the thing 664 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: that works, and like ride the wave. It feels great. 665 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 5: Like no one was ever. 666 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 4: Going to see me in a band and go, oh, 667 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: that band's so good, except that Kathy Valentine ship. She's 668 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 4: got to go. 669 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 5: Like I was so safe. 670 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 4: Nobody like my anything, so I played it safe. But 671 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 4: it all worked, like Gina said, it all works out 672 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 4: the way it's supposed to do. And it's I think 673 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 4: it's a really important message in our sixties to be going, Hey, 674 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 4: you can still go out there and have new challenge, 675 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 4: try new things and you know, put out records and 676 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 4: front your own band and write books and whatever else 677 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 4: do wonderful podcast. 678 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: Well, really, you guys, thank you so much for sharing 679 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: everything with us today. It was such an honor. Again, 680 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: we just you know, you guys are such icons and 681 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: we're so so lucky to have you and our fans 682 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: are so lucky to be able to listen to you guys, 683 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: and forever, your music is forever, your legacy is forever. 684 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: So thank you, and make sure everyone goes and listens 685 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: to Gina's new song, get the books, go to our 686 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: project over heels. 687 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: Ginashock art dot com. 688 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 4: A bit thank you, Ladiess, Zach theat or Austin made 689 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 4: in Hollywood, watch bleed. 690 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: Just putting it all out. 691 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 2: I'm going to thank you so much for joining us. 692 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: Thanks Tina, Thanks Kathy, Kathy, good luck with the show. 693 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 5: Thanks by Wow. 694 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot to say. I'm still processing 695 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: that whole thing, but what wonderful talented, strong independent women 696 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: who have continued to create and go off on their 697 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: own after the go gos to continue their legacy on 698 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: their own. That's really cool. And also, just I talked 699 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and our 700 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: producer shared it with us in uh, uh, what's the 701 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: word I'm looking for. 702 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: In prep for this? 703 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: Thank you? 704 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: Not exactly what I was looking for, but you get 705 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: the idea anticipation. Thank you, And this vision of the episode, 706 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: I go watch that Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 707 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: induction and performance. 708 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 3: It's really special and really cool. 709 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 5: And. 710 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are we hope you guys are enjoying this 711 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: kind of side of the podcast listening to from the 712 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: original artists who made these songs what they are, who 713 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: literally gotten a truck in a van and toured the 714 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: country pushing their singles. 715 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the story that the life that 716 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 2: it takes to put out these songs in the early 717 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 2: eighties and then in the early twenty tens, this sends 718 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: up on a Fox TV show is pretty wild, and 719 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: so it's for me personally, it's fascinating to hear the 720 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: journey of these you know, songwriters and band members. 721 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in their in their time right. It's a 722 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: different time now with the technology and the internet and 723 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: so pre internet and streaming, what these artists had to 724 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: do to get their music heard and what they were 725 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: willing to do and. 726 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: Hustle for so and have songs that people still care about. 727 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I was listening to some go gos today 728 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: and it was they are I mean, hit after ahead Yeah, 729 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: and you're like, this is so much fun. 730 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: It's easy to take for granted because we've just known 731 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: the songs. The song just live in our world and 732 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: our lives. Yeah that's not normal. No, that's not a 733 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: thing many people can claim to be a part of, 734 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 2: and they sure are. So thank you again for joining 735 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 2: us Katy and Gina, Thank you for listening today. Everyone 736 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: Who's next, Jenna? Who are we going to have next? 737 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: For everyone? Just him Jaait and see, Yeah that's what 738 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 2: you really missed. Bye, Thanks for listening and follow us 739 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: on Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod. 740 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: Make sure to write us a review and leave us 741 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: five stars. See you next time.