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Speaker 1: The name is escaping me right now, as is my

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Speaker 1: jar of pure thought right now, completely lost and untethered

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Speaker 1: from the reality that normally binds me. Sophie, what what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? Who am I? You are the only

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans and that's good And this is behind the

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Speaker 1: and me. Thank you. I was lost in the phantom zone,

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Speaker 1: but now I feel grounded and ready to talk about

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Speaker 1: Harry Hawxy. Oh my god, Thank goodness, he's still speaking

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Speaker 1: of kicking Billy. How are you doing. I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I got some gatorade and Gator Pop tart. Yeah. Well

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Speaker 1: that sounds like the necessary equipment. Well, let's let's tear

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Speaker 1: back into this dirty paper sack of history. The American

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Speaker 1: medical establishment was still quite new in the nineteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: of an idea about what to do to stop Harry Haxey. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The men of the A m A Were studious and learned,

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Speaker 1: and Harry Hawxy thought like a twenty feet century grifter.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who was like using the same

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Speaker 1: playbook as Alex Jones and like, you know, Mike Adams

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. He's he's just so far ahead of these

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Speaker 1: like how to actually combat his particular brand of bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Haxey sent copies of his new autobiography to every senator

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Speaker 1: of Gerald b win Rod? Billy, You know, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: We're probably gonna have to talk about Gerald b win

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Speaker 1: Rod in detail at some point, But the short of

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Speaker 1: he's the sort of person we talk about every single

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Speaker 1: He's kind of in the same vein as father Coughlin.

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Speaker 1: Both men are like aggressive religious fundamentalists who either tip

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Speaker 1: He'd run for Senate back in nineteen thirty eight on

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Speaker 1: a platform of I found a master's thesis from Bethel

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to quote from that now using radio

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Speaker 1: his program of reform, his seven point proposal called for

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Speaker 1: sent mass mailings using Dr John R. Brinkley's hundred and

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Speaker 1: because of the apparent anti Semitism and near support for

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Speaker 1: not okay with rap talk. No, Now, when Rod had

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Speaker 1: being charged with sedition in the mid nineteen forties for

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Speaker 1: It Can't Happen Here. Um, so that's neat. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: His trial, sedition trial ends on a technicality because the

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Speaker 1: judge dies, I think the universe has the best sense

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Speaker 1: is the universe is funny. It's you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: universe's sense of humors. Gilbert Godfried making a nine eleven

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Speaker 1: into conspiracy talking here, but I do think that, like

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Speaker 1: it's still you can still go down there though, you can.

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00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: You can go down there and get it. You can

424
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: get it right now. You go get your cancer treated.

425
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: If you're in San Diego, you could be getting cancer

426
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: treatment by this afternoon. Yep. You could listen to this

427
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: on your way down Rosarta. Yeah, yeah, lovely. So Hoxie

428
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: himself stayed in Dallas. He transitions seamlessly from selling fake

429
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: medicine to investing in the oil and gas industry. Okay,

430
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: so so you're just selling just holes in the ground. Yeah,

431
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: that seems pretty easy. Now. When I burned people's faces off,

432
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: nobody even gets angry. They just say that's the way

433
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: it's supposed to work, and they're like, yeah, that's what

434
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: we hired him to date is sometimes their faces getting burned.

435
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: M hm uh. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in

436
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. He attempted to use the hoxy treatment,

437
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: but tragically it did not work. He was under forced

438
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: to undergo conventional surgery, which saved his life. He spent

439
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: the rest of it hiding from the world and died

440
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: alone in nineteen He was like, you know what, you guys,

441
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: I see a lot of you have a point now, Yeah,

442
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm gonna go away. I'm gonna go away.

443
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And again, if he had been a

444
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: modern grift here, he never would have gone away. He

445
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: would have found a way to roll with the punches.

446
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: But he was an old man by then. You know,

447
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: he'd rolled a lot, so much rolling that is the

448
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: most impressive. I mean, all the bastards, well I've covered

449
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: they've been. There's an element of impressive to them all.

450
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: A persistence that I do not understand. And I'm a

451
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: very person, I mean, the perfect me to make it

452
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: in comedy. Yes, it's purely persistence. After a certain year

453
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: of skill learning, you're like, well now it's just persistence.

454
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: And these guys are just like I'm gonna go Max,

455
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this right what I'm gonna Yeah, I'm

456
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna burn some faces off, I guess go down there.

457
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the main goal, like because they

458
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: keep losing money, a lot of them, So I don't know.

459
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: I get confused. Yeah, as to like what drives all

460
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers? Some comes what drives all these motherfucker's, I

461
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe just money, but there's I do think

462
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of them don't have a lot of money. Yeah,

463
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is. I think, honestly,

464
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: most of it in every grifter, most of it is

465
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: social cash a and the money is kind of part

466
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: of getting the social cash at it allows you to be.

467
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: They want to be a big man. They want to

468
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: be a big, powerful, important person. That's that's what it

469
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: always comes down to. I really do think I think

470
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: that was that with Elizabeth Holmes. She wanted to be

471
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: a hugely influential, powerful part. She was always more interested

472
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: in the like sitting on different boards and giving advice

473
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: to the government sort of thing than actually making anything.

474
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: And she's always name dropping other powerful people. Yeah, you're exactly. Yeah.

475
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: And even the voice thing that is, she's she studied

476
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: powerful people and that's what that is. Yeah, that's a

477
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: deep voice. People respond on to authority, the deeper voice

478
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: like that. To me, that wasn't fascinating. When people can

479
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: you believe you change your voice? I was like, no,

480
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: that's it works. Yeah, I mean I change my voice

481
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: because people take me more seriously when I speak the

482
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: way that I speak than the way I grew up talking.

483
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh you know, little people like you can lose your accent.

484
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, no ship, but I like to make people laugh.

485
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: So that's that's yeah, I mean, it's that's what happened.

486
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: That's the only downside of coming from ten s And

487
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: while we're talking about Tennessee, Billy, you're the only ten

488
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: I see. I've never gotten to use that line before,

489
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: and I and you did pretty smooth. That's the smoothest

490
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: I've ever heard that line. You thank you. I've practiced

491
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot. I like to shout at at people as

492
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: I passed from cars um let as listeners couldn't see

493
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: Billy go on. His face lit up. Now, the Hoxy

494
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: treatment is still very much Oh no, there's too much

495
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: momentum behind this grift for it to ever die. Now,

496
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: in ten thousand years, the only remnants of our society

497
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: will be the war in Afghanistan and the Haxey Treatment.

498
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be them floating in the boy. So

499
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Haxey's bullshit treatment is very much alive and well. In fact,

500
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: the move of his nurse to Mexico in the mid

501
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties sparked the birth of a new industry in

502
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: Baja California. By two thousand two, they were more than

503
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: seventy alternative cancer clinics in Tijuana and Rosarrito, none more

504
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: prominent than the Haxy Clinic today. Billy, if you decide

505
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: I want to get some cancer cured, but not by

506
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: a doctor in a way that actually cures my cancer.

507
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: If you make that call, you know which who who

508
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: hasn't felt that way from time to time? Uh? If

509
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: you decide, yeah, So if you start looking into Haxy treatment,

510
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: or like, if one of your relatives is like looking

511
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: at people you know. Just here's what's frustrating. It is

512
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: old timy enough that it's kind of a pain in

513
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: the asked to research what the treatment is. If you

514
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: look at the first page of Google results, there will

515
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: be a couple of accurate articles by authoritative sources tearing

516
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: it apart, like the McGill article University article. But there

517
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: are just as many positive sources about Haxey on the

518
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: first page of Google results, um, including the Amazon page

519
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: for the book Haxy Therapy. When Natural Cares for Science

520
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: became illegal? Website? Fuck you fun? That fun? Huh? That

521
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: title right below that is the website for a documentary

522
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: Hoxie How Healing Becomes a Crime. Now it's hearing stuff

523
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: like that, it's like it answers that question, like how

524
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: can anyone be against the legalization of marijuana? And you're like,

525
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: will you hear people defending stuff like that? And you're like, oh, well,

526
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: that's no. It makes total sense because people are just like,

527
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know this stuff over here, but this stuff

528
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, uh, you're right, you're right, and I'm

529
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: a big marijuana should be legal and in some cases

530
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: mandatory advocate, but um, like, obviously the whole medicinal marijuana

531
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: industry is at least fifty nonsense. Like I have had

532
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: it had advised to me. Every time I've had an

533
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: advised for me to me for anything but a treatment

534
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: for like mild pain, it has not done a goddamn thing.

535
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: Which is not to say there aren't things that can do.

536
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really interesting research going on about

537
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: like the ability of certain cannabinoids to like you know,

538
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: fight cancer and stuff that actual doctors it's not just

539
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: smoking pot obviously. Well, and then yeah, they can't give

540
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: you a strain. That always cracked me up to this

541
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: strain is like good for this, and you're like, you

542
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: don't know that because you don't even got infection. Bro,

543
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: you got a log infection. Smoke this straight, yes, just

544
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: hit this ship. Here's the herpies concoction of that is.

545
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: But it is that and it sucks because it's also

546
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: like you you see this with every good drug with alcohol.

547
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: Back in the day, everybody loved alcohol, so suddenly like

548
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: doctors would be like, oh, alcohol will treat this, alcohol

549
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: will treat that. Getting drunk is the right cure for this.

550
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: And it's really only the cure for kidney stones, um

551
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: and a lame party. But yeah, and sadness, all three

552
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: of them. It doesn't make it worse at all, but

553
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: it is like that frustrating Yeah, like yep, it's just

554
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: this human nature. And I think that's you said it

555
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: best where we're both just like it's just that uh

556
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: and then it's just human nature where it's like it's

557
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: like how bacon was really popular a couple of years ago.

558
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, oh yeah it was huge, and well

559
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: yeah now it's like a Republican thing too. It's weird

560
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: the road that bacon went on over the last like

561
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Yeah, it's a bit of people like ah,

562
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: eat bacon or you triggered like no, dude, everybody likes bacon.

563
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: People like it's like the watermelon, and people things like

564
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: that's just good. What are you talking, Yeah, it's yeah,

565
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: there's a whole long races. We actually may do a

566
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: fun episode on like all of the horrible histories behind

567
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 1: those particular stereotypes. But I don't know. This is off

568
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: topic of it, um, but it is like this feeling

569
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I have about I have this. I have this theory

570
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: that we would not have the problem we currently have

571
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: with like bullshit medical treatments if we had never started

572
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: the war on drugs mm hmm. If marijuana had never

573
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: been this counterculture thing, if it had always just been like,

574
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you just go down to the farm across

575
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: the street and pick some wheed and smoke it, like,

576
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: and no one had ever made it into a thing,

577
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have attracted you know, doctors

578
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: might would hopefully still be finding useful medical things from it,

579
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be this like weird cult in the

580
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: same way that alcohol doesn't have this weird cult. Like

581
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: there's people who like to drink, but there's not like this.

582
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. I don't know, well, it

583
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: was never yeah, well, you only had to go away

584
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: from somebody to use alcohol for a short period and

585
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: then you get to all use it again in the Yeah.

586
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I think that's what made part where you always had

587
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: to go away to use it and you you all.

588
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: It's also I think this the fact that the path

589
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: to starting legalization, like, I don't think marijuana would have

590
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: reached the point that it currently reached without that interim

591
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: where everybody was really pushing the medical aspects of it,

592
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: like where we would all have to go get like

593
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: prescriptions and ship. That was we all saw that. It

594
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: was like this is just a step and a step.

595
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: That was a cool part of that. I think the

596
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: cult of it, yeah, was we recognized the bullshit, just

597
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: do it, just do it this way, and then I yeah,

598
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: but I think to say what to go along with

599
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying, what happened? And it's that snake oil

600
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: ship where once it's a is once CBD. They discovered

601
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: it and now it's in everything. And I've been talking

602
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: two ice cream places I can walk to have CBD

603
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: ice cream. I was like two weeks ago my grandmother.

604
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: I was talking to her and she's like, I've put

605
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: some CBD on my elbow. It's like, oh, it's going

606
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: It's going legal federally so fast. Now, that was the

607
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: smartest thing they could have done, because old people call

608
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: their senators and bug the ship out of them. You

609
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: get old people using pot, they'll change them laws. And

610
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: it's happening because the CBD. That's what we gotta get

611
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: old people on acid. Next, it's that I will that

612
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: boomer generation is coming through there. But there hashtag somebody

613
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: drugging old folks film. You just gotta we gotta jump

614
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: start this process. We are off the topic, so I

615
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: would talking about that first page of Google results for

616
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: Haxey therapy with the Amazon book you know when natural

617
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: cures became illegal? Right below that is the website for

618
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: a documentary Hoxy How Healing Becomes a Crime. And at

619
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: the very bottom of the page, Billy Wayne Davis is

620
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: a pdf on the Haxy treatment by Darcy Naturals, an

621
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: herbal medicine focused clinic in Native Massachusetts. So the people

622
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: at Darcy really fucking love them some Harry Haxey and

623
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: they're right up includes a bio of him that I

624
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: find fundamentally hysterical. Quote Hoxey and his formulas still enjoy

625
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: popular appeal, even though they have suffered forty years of

626
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: harsh attacks and the press relentless prosecutions in the courts.

627
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: He was arrested more times than anyone in US medical history,

628
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: a hundred times just in Dallas, and they're trying to

629
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: make him out to be a good like everything they

630
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: write about it makes him seem like a fucking gigantic fraud.

631
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: More than a hundred times in Dallas, just in one

632
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: just in the place he lived. They kept ending him

633
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: for doing bad stuff. If you are white, you really

634
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: got to work to get arrested in Dallas. I was

635
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: that was gonna say. It was like I was a

636
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: white dude, you guys. One of my good friends who listened,

637
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: whose name will say starts with a J, had to

638
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: be he was driving without like a license or registration

639
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: for a very long period of time before he got busted.

640
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: Like uh oh no, I think he just had tickets

641
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: against him. I don't know. I think he did have

642
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: a license. Well, if there was a period of like

643
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: a year where every time I got in the car,

644
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: it would be like if I could pulled over, I'm

645
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: going to jail for two years. It didn't know I

646
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: was doing it and driving around the country with suspended license,

647
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: and then that that got pulled over a coplate this

648
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: suspended ozen ship. Oh ship, yeah, you had to go

649
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: to jail. Do you know that I did? Oh boy, Yeah,

650
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: that's not good. So the Darcy Natural's right up continues,

651
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: persecution by government agencies public warning against toxic cancer treatment

652
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: that the FDI ordered mounted in forty s u s

653
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: Post offices, and of virulent personal vendetta mounted against him

654
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: by the head of the American Medical Association Morris Fishing.

655
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: They misspelled fish beings fishing fishing because these aren't serious people,

656
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, they're not details aren't super important in medicine. Now,

657
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: they aren't wrong that Morris fish being had a vendetta

658
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: against Hoxie. He had famously noted in nineteen sixty five,

659
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: of all the ghouls who feed on the bodies of

660
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: the dead and the dying, the cancer quacks are the

661
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: most vicious and most heartless, which is a pretty fucking

662
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: good quote. Now, you know who won't ghoulishly feed on

663
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: the bodies of the dead and dying Cooke brothers. No,

664
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: they would do that just for not even not even

665
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: for food. Yeah, and for the erotic thrill um. Always

666
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: forget about that part of it. Yeah, you know it's critical. Yeah,

667
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: the products and services and support this podcast. It's an

668
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: it's another ad break. We're back. So Darcy Naturals UM,

669
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: the company that this PDF comes from, really ought to

670
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: be looked into by somebody to see if they are

671
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: breaking the law by providing Haxy's treatment. Because they definitely

672
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: sell Haxy formula pills for thirty six per bottle. It

673
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: is unclear to me as to whether or not this

674
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: is technically fine um, because they're just selling herbal supplements

675
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: to people that I don't know. Yeah, it's the same supplement, probably,

676
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: like I'm guessing less toxic than most of the ship

677
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: he used, because you get the feeling from him that

678
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: sometimes his guys are is pouring ship in jars. Um. Yeah.

679
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're breaking the law or not.

680
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: It would be cool if someone looked into that. Maybe

681
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: somebody I know there's a lot of journalists who listened

682
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: to the show. Here's a fun lead. Look in the

683
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Darcy Naturals and see if they's break in some laws. Um.

684
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: The site is really entertaining reading though, and it somehow

685
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: manages to make Harry Hawksy sound even shadier while trying

686
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: to defend him. Quote, how did Harry in his formulas survive?

687
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Why weren't they extinguished? It's an amazing story full of

688
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood like intrigues. They survived by the most amazing truth

689
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: of all, the testimony of healed patients. This was Hawxy's

690
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: only defense at every trial and Senate committee meeting. He

691
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: never lost one a m a quack trial or slander

692
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: trial because of this moving, powerful defense from the experience

693
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: of hundreds of cancer survivors. Note that they don't include

694
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: all of the FDA trials he lost him Well, that's

695
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: not important. Battle against the American medical establishment of the day.

696
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: Not one cancer patient ever testified against him. Given to

697
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: carrying wads of cash to be able to post bail

698
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: at any times, his fortune coming from oil investments, his

699
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: patients would gather at the jail in a show of support,

700
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Hastening is released. If I know one thing about someone

701
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: who's not a criminal, it's that they always have bail

702
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: money ready. Yeah, yeah, everyone I know it has bail

703
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: money ready. It's like, yeah, all my friends that have

704
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: bail money in their pocket it's because they're always just chilling.

705
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: Every person I've ever had who informed me of the

706
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: use of having I think it was like twenty the

707
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: rumor at least going around. If you keep like twenty

708
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: was like a twenty or forty dollars in your pocket

709
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: if you get arrested in Dallas, then you can like

710
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: pay to get bonded out right away or something. I

711
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I assumed it wasn't true. But everyone who

712
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: told me that and kept forty bucks or whatever in

713
00:43:54,320 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: their shoe was somebody who sold me drugs. Yes, real drugs,

714
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: good drugs. Yes, they're legitimate people not in not in

715
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: the upstanding world, but they are legitimate salesman. Yeah, yes

716
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: they are. Yeah. So the right up from Darcy Natural's

717
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: notes that senators, judges, lawyers, and some doctors endorsed his treatments.

718
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: Three types of people who aren't doctors and a couple

719
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: of doctors endorsed this. It's real medicine quote. Hoxy is

720
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: larger than life personality, unfortunately fit the stereotypical image of

721
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: a quack, coupled by it with a confrontational style, set

722
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: him a head on to clash with the medical authorities.

723
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: For decades. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's so good the people,

724
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: but it's hilarious because they're like, he's a quack. But yeah,

725
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: people are being mean about it now. Hoxy was obviously

726
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: not the first person to lie about being able to

727
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: cure cancer, but you might call him the founding father

728
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: of the fake cancer cure industry. He invented the way

729
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: to sell it and the way to turn snake oil

730
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: into more than just to get rich quick scheme. Before Haxy,

731
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: grifters sold nonsense medicine. After Haxy, nonsense medicine was its

732
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: own culture, a series of interlocking fake treatments, bogus medical philosophies,

733
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: infringe newspapers, linked together by a couple of colorful figures,

734
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: and a shared hatred of the mainstream medical establishment. Does

735
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: that sound familiar at all to anybody? Yeah. In the

736
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Latrille treatments became the vogue cancer cure among

737
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: people who didn't actually want real cancer cures. And Latrille

738
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: is usually marketed as vitamin B seventeen or amygdalin. What

739
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: it really is is cyanide. It turns into cyanide in

740
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: your body. It does not cure cancer. But the galaxy

741
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: of clinics in Tijuana that had followed Haxey into me Pxico.

742
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: We're happy to poison desperate Americans in exchange for piles

743
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: of cash. In nineteen eighty, Steve McQueen died in Mexico

744
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: taking La Trill treatments, and two thousand six, Coretta Scott

745
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: King died from complications from ovarian cancer in a Rosarto clinic.

746
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Mexican officials shut down the Santa Monica Health Institute in

747
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: the wake of this. Great name for a fake cancer

748
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: clinic in Rosaritto, though, makes people think it's in California

749
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: or in you know, the state of California. Yeah, and

750
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: in general, though, I will say one of the positives

751
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: of this episode is that the fake cancer clinic industry

752
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: in Mexico is on a down swing. Nine eleven had

753
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: a huge part to do with this. Before died eleven,

754
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: traveling to Mexico was basically the same as driving to

755
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: another state if you lived in like California or Arizona,

756
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: and so people could just kind of like drive across

757
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the border and get treatment. Afterwards, it required a passport,

758
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: which reduced at least the number of poor Americans who

759
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: could blow their savings in Mexico on bogus medicine. I'm

760
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: not generally in favor of this change, but this is

761
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: one positive thing that it did. You know, it helped

762
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: kill these clinics. Do you see George W. Bush taking credit? Hey, hey,

763
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: I cut down. That's not racism. Yeah. I think you

764
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: should be able to travel to Mexico for whatever reason,

765
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: as long as Mexico's fine with it. But yeah, this

766
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: it does make sense that this would reduce the number

767
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: of poor people getting grifted by this. And hey, we

768
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: didn't mean. We didn't mean for poor people to hold

769
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: on to their money that one, We'll take it away,

770
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: don't you worry. We don't get that money for poor

771
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: people cold on the money longer than they need. Don't worry.

772
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Once then poor people get back from Iraq, we will

773
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: take all the money we gave them. What don't you

774
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: were We'll find a wayne. Yeah, that's investment. The Haxi

775
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: clinic is still holding on though, And I ran across

776
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: one two six article about some of its modern day

777
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: patients and it's fucking heartbreaking. Quote for many of the

778
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: journey to an alternative cancer clinic in Mexico, is their

779
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: last hope. Some still wear bandages from a recent surgery,

780
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: some are a week from chemotherapy or radiation, but others

781
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: appear healthy. The result, they said, of unorthodox treatments that

782
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: have struggled for decades to gain acceptance from the US

783
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: healthcare industry. Every three months, Norberto Fanwell fifty seven and

784
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: his wife Alice, fifty six, of Firmly, Nevada, drive to

785
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: the border town of San Ya Cedro, California, staying at

786
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: a Best Western hotel where they receive a discounted rate

787
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: and a free shuttle to the cancer clinics across the border.

788
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: They'll need that discounted rate because back in two thousand six,

789
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: the Haxey treatment cost thirty dollars upfront, plus additional costs

790
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: that ran up to five thousand dollars. This is more

791
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: or less in line with the cost of treatment back

792
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: in Harry Hawxy's day. So that's cool, just yeah, yeah,

793
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: and it's a bummer. Fanwell in the article is convinced that,

794
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: like the ultrasound shows his cancer shrunk, maybe he never

795
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: had cancer, I don't know, or maybe he's dead. Now

796
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: I have able to find any information on whether or

797
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: not he's alive or what happened with his treatment? I

798
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: hope he's okay. I hope yeah, he just seems like

799
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: some poor guy who got conned. If there is one

800
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: piece of good news about the current day status of

801
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: the Haxey treatment, it's that the actual ingredients used in

802
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: the Haxey treatment seemed to have stabilized. Today. There are

803
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: Facebook pages in web forms where patients discussed the best

804
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: ways to augment their Haxey treatment with diet or even

805
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: administer the urbal ingredients for themselves. So while the actual

806
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: original Haxey treatment was wildly inconsistent, today's batches are usually

807
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: a predictable list of substances that said, they're not the

808
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: kind of substances you necessarily want to just be fucking

809
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: around with. Uh, here's what a right up. In the

810
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: memorial Sloane Kettering Cancer, Sitter says about several of them.

811
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: High levels of iodine from the potassium iodide can cause pimples,

812
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: excessive secretion of the eyes, of nose, impotence, and inflammation

813
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: of salivary glands. Buck Thorne, one of the ingredients in

814
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: the herbal tonic, is a violent laxative and can cause

815
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: abdominal pain, anxiety, decreased respirations, diarrhea, nausea, trembling, and vomiting. Cascara,

816
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: one of the ingredients in the herbal tonic, is a

817
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: laxative and can cause abdominal pain, crampic diarrhea, discoloration of urine,

818
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: electrine and balance, softening of the bones, fatten the feezs,

819
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: vitamin and mineral deficiencies, and vomiting. Whoa poke weed, one

820
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: of the ingredients in the herbal tonic, causes nausea, vomiting, diarrhea,

821
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: and abdominal cramps. Ingestion has been associated with illnesses requiring

822
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 1: hospitalization and has caused deaths and children. Ship my insides out,

823
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: that's what that means. It's working. Face. No, I'm yourself

824
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: to better health with the Haxy treat I can see

825
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: my heartbeating in the toilet. That's what you get. Unbelievable,

826
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: great stuff. Billy. Yes, you feel like you might have

827
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: some cancer after all this. I mean yeah, every time

828
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: anyone says it, I'm always like probably, yeah, probably. Well

829
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: you all heard it here. The haxy treatment is the flawless,

830
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: unproblematic way to treat your illness. It's just thoroughly endorse it.

831
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: It's just an industry that you don't even think about,

832
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: because if you start to think about it, first, you

833
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: understand why how easily people can be conned, because it's

834
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 1: the most desperate part of their whole existence is they're

835
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: just trying to extend their life and the and everywhere

836
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: they go that's reputable. It's like, I'm sorry, there's nothing

837
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: we can do. It's like this, yeah, that'll be a

838
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, we don't know, we will need half

839
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: of the money you've earned in your entire life, because

840
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: we told like, yeah, it's so much of this is

841
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Speaker 1: wrapped up in I am legitimately. I mean, like obviously,

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Speaker 1: Um in the very near future, which is very much

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Speaker 1: a descendant of all this, but like two of the

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Speaker 1: So obviously the entirety of the solution is not Medicare

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Speaker 1: for all their socialized medicine or whatever. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it helps. Yeah, no, it's yeah, yeah, damn good luck. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: You want to plug your plug double yes, if you

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Speaker 1: want to follow me on any of the socials. Just

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Speaker 1: google billy Wyn Davis and all that stuff comes up,

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Speaker 1: your favorite one. I'm on there, and then I'm going

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Speaker 1: on tour all over the place, So hit up BWD

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Speaker 1: tour for all those dates. I'm continuing to update them,

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Speaker 1: so holler. And if you want to find me online,

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Speaker 1: you can just google Mike Bloomberg for President. Because you know,

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Speaker 1: there's really no daylight between Look, I'm I'm bloom pilled, guys,

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Speaker 1: I've been bloompilled. I'm on the bloom train. I'm blooming out.

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Speaker 1: I'm a blooming onion of politics now and there's just

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Speaker 1: no getting on. Sophie. Don't become the bad guy, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: I have always been the bad guy, and you know

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Speaker 1: that better than anyone. That's kind of true. Oh. You

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Speaker 1: can find Robert on Twitter and I write Okay. You

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Speaker 1: can also check out some of his writing from Bell

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Speaker 1: and Cat uh It's It's really good. Um. You can

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Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter and Instagram at at Bastard's Pod.

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Speaker 1: We have a website where you can find the footnotes

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Speaker 1: under the episode descriptions if you scroll down, uh T

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Speaker 1: Public Store. Robert also is a co host of Worst

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Speaker 1: Year Ever. Uh, did I do it? You did it.

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Speaker 1: You did a perfect job, Sophie, better a job. I

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Speaker 1: am very excited about us transitioning away from me doing

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Speaker 1: this at all and just collecting a paycheck while you

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Speaker 1: do the podcast. Maybe you are a team Bloomberg. Alright.

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Speaker 1: Episode over,