1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg DAYBAQ podcast, available every morning on Apple, 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 2: Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Monday, the second of 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: June in London. I'm Caroline Hepcare and. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Ukraine uses drones hidden in trucks and an audacious strike 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: on russia strategic airfields as the two countries prepare for talks. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: A nationalist candidate backed by Donald Trump wins Poland's presidential 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: election with just over fifty percent of the vote. 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: Plus no deal. 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: China accuses the US of breaking their recent trade accord 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: and vows retaliation, sending safe haven assets higher. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Ukraine has used drones hidden in trucks to hit strategic 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: airfields across Russia in a series of dramatic strikes out 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: of peace talks due to take place later today. Keeve's 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: Security Service says more than forty Rush aircraft were damaged, 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: including long range bombers capable of deploying nuclear weapons. Ukraine 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: claims the operation caused lasses totaling at least two billion dollars. 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: Here's Ukraine's president Vladmozlanski, thirty. 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 4: Four percent of the strategic cruise missile carriers stationed at 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 4: air bases were hit. Our personnel operated across multiple Russian 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 4: regions in three different time zones, and the people who 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: assisted us were withdrawn from Russian territory before the operation. 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: They are now safe. It is genuinely satisfying when something 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 4: I authorized a year and six months ago comes to 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: fruition and deprives Russians of over forty units. 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 5: Of strategic aviation. 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: We will continue this work. 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: Zelenski's comments came as his country also came under one 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: of the longest barrages from Russian missiles and drones. On Sunday, 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: at least twelve people were killed in a strike on 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: a military training center. The attacks from both sides come 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: as Moscow and Kiev prepared to send delegations to Turkey 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: for a second round of talks today. The opening round 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: last month ended with a prisoner exchange agreement and discussions 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: on a potential ceasefire. 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: The UK plans to build new submarines, munitions factories, and 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: cyber warfare technology to counter the threat posed by Russia. 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 2: The multi billion pound purchases are part of the government's 41 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: review of the country's military capabilities. Defense Secretary John Healey 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: says threats are increasing. 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 6: The country's armed forces are only as strong as the 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 6: industry that stands behind them. The investment is not just 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 6: about filling warehouses with fresh missiles. It's about making sure 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 6: that in Britain we have an industrial base that can 47 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 6: innovate and that can scale up its production if we're 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 6: faced with conflict in the future. 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: Defense Secretary John Healey there, who is speaking ahead of 50 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: the official launch of the Strategic Defense Review. The UK 51 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: Army is its smallest size since the Napoleonic era due 52 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: to chronic under investments. 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: A nationalist's candidate backed by Donald Trump has won Poland's 54 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: presidential election. Karol Nevrotsky defeated the centrist mayor of Warsaw 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: and a blow to the country's pro EU government. According 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg News calculations, the conservative historian and former boxer 57 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: won fifty point nine percent of the vote, while his opponent, 58 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: Rafa Traskowski took forty nine point one percent. While Poland's 59 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Donald Tusk holds political power, the president can 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: veto legislation nominate the Central Bank Governor and serves as 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Commander in chief of the Armed Forces. 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: Six people have been injured in an attack on an 63 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: event for Israeli hostages in Colorado. Police and FBI officials 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: say that the suspect was heard to shout Free Palestine 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: and threw an incendiary device into the crowd during the attack. 66 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: In the town of Boulder, local police chief Stephen Redfern 67 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: says that the neighborhood will stand strong. 68 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 7: Older is not immune to tragedy sadly, and I know 69 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 7: a lot of people are scared right now. A lot 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 7: of people are upset and questioning how this happened and why. 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 7: All I know is Boulder has recovered before from acts 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 7: of violence and we will again. 73 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: Boulder's police chief Stephen redferns speaking their authorities have confirmed 74 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: a forty five year old man has been arrested. 75 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Trade tensions between the US and China are ratteting up. 76 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: China has accused the US of violating a recent trade 77 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: deal between the two countries. The Chinese Ministry of Commerce 78 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: rejected President Trump's claim that Beijing breached the agreement in 79 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: a statement issued on Monday. Beijing accuses the US of 80 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: discriminatory restrictions, including new AI chip export controls and their 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: avocation of Chinese student visas. Speaking on Friday, Donald Trump 82 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: told reporters he hopes talks will continue soon. 83 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: And I was very nice to then. 84 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 6: I help them because they were in trouble with the 85 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 6: style budge a massive amount of business. 86 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: But I'm sure that I'll speak to President she and 87 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: hopefully we'll work that out. 88 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 8: But yeah, that's there's a violation of the. 89 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: Agreement, President Donald Trump speaking there. Following the news, Agent 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: shares dropped, along with US stock index futures, a gauge 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: of Chinese stocks traded in Hong Kong, fell as much 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: as two point nine percent, the most nearly two months. 93 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: Morgan Stanley is forecasting a nine percent drop in the 94 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: US and Dollar index in the next twelve months. The 95 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: bank joins the course of voices questioning the outlook for 96 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: the currency as fears overgrowth and trade grow. The Dollar 97 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: index has already dropped nearly ten percent from its peak 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: in February. The scrutiny of American assets comes alongside worries 99 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: over fiscal discipline. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent was asked if 100 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: the US Treasury could run out of cash as the 101 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 2: deadline for increasing the federal debt ceiling gets closer. 102 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 5: The United States of America is never going to default. 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 5: That is never going to happen. That we are on 104 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 5: the warning track and we will never hit. 105 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: The wall, try sectary Scott Bessett, speaking to CBS's Face 106 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: the Nation yesterday. Republican congressional leaders have attached an increase 107 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 2: in the debtlimit to President Trump's tax and spending bill 108 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: that potentially puts avoiding a default at the mercy of 109 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 2: negotiations over the bill. 110 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: At least ten percent of the UK's wealthy, non arme 111 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: population is estimated to have left the country. That's according 112 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: to a new report from former Treasury economist, which estimates 113 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: that twenty six thousand non doms left last year. 114 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: Bloomberg James Wilcock has more. 115 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 8: The report from economist Charles Walker used his migration and 116 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 8: tax data to say the number of ultra wealthy taxpayers 117 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 8: leaving the UK surge last year. But the main question 118 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 8: for the government is if the figures are right, is 119 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 8: this potential exodus going to become a fiscal problem. A 120 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 8: separate recent report said the Treasury would start to lose 121 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 8: money if twenty five percent of this wealthy non don 122 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 8: population were to leave. Both papers were commissioned by Andrew Barclay, 123 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 8: an entrepreneur and policyfellow at the Center right on wood 124 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 8: Thing Tank in London, James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio, and. 125 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: Those are our top stories for you this morning. Looking 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: at the markets, Asian shares are down, the MSCI Asia 127 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: Pacific Index dropping by eight tenths of one percent. It 128 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: had declined as the most in about a month earlier 129 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: this morning on continued trade tensions. US stop futures are 130 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: also down this morning, both of the NAZAC and the 131 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: S and P five hundred. You've also got the Bloomberg 132 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: Dollar Spot Index down a tenth of one percent. Macroeconomic 133 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: headwinds for the dollar. Oil prices are up after OPEC 134 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: plus agreed to lift output two point three almost two 135 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: point four percent high. Now for breakthrough futures. You remember 136 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: had President Trump talking about doubling tariffs and steel and 137 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: aluminium imports over the weekend. Got lots of key data 138 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: this week ism and manufacturing, to the jobs out on 139 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: Friday and the ECB rate decision on Thursday. Teny Treasury 140 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: yields this morning up one and a half basis points 141 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: at four forty two. 142 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 5: But it's going to be a busy week, Stephen certainly is. 143 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you more on Ukraine's attack 144 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: on Russia's long range bomber fleet, plus why China is 145 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 1: accusing the US of violating their recent trade deal. 146 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: But another story that we've. 147 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: Been reading as well today and listening to, I should say, 148 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the latest weekend interview for Michelle hasain with Succession creator 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: Jesse Armstrong about his new film looking at the tech industry. 150 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: Unsurprisingly what ripe ground given the character is involved in 151 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: the tech industry in the real life. To try and 152 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: create a satirical drama in the style of Succession film 153 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: called Mountainhead. 154 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: Apparently it's going to it's sort of funnier, it's darker humor. 155 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: But yes, it's much faster because it's not going to 156 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: have the multiple sort of seasons that Succession had. But 157 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: it is such an interesting interview with Jesse Armstrong and 158 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: our own Michelle has sayed, But she asked them some 159 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: really interesting questions about how close to real life is 160 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: this whole who. 161 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: Inspire Twitch character clearly, but also really interesting to see 162 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: his comments about the British film industry and this as well, 163 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: talking about saying that he worries about with so many 164 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: big name creations coming out of the US, the future 165 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: of British drama and the important of the BBC and 166 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: that as well. So, I mean a really interesting conversation. 167 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: You can hear the podcast and read the interview on 168 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: our website. We'll put a link in our show notes. 169 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 7: Now. 170 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: Ukrainian and Russian officials are due to hold a second 171 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: round of talks later today, which could pave the way 172 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: for a potential CEASEPAR, but it comes after a series 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: of major attacks on both sides this weekend. Our EMEA 174 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: news director Ross and Matheson joins us now for more 175 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 2: on this Good morning, oz. Let's start with the Ukrainian 176 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: attacks on Russian airfields all over Russia as far away 177 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: as Siberia. What do we know about what was damaged 178 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: and how significant those attacks are given this three year war. 179 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 9: Well, what we've heard from Ukraine is that there was 180 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 9: significant damage to a number of airplanes, including long range 181 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 9: bombers that are designed to carry both conventional but also 182 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 9: nuclear weapons. And as you say, the real thing here 183 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 9: is that they hit so deep inside Russia. It seems 184 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 9: like this was an eighteen month planned operation where they 185 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 9: managed to get drones inside Russia on trucks and then 186 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 9: launched them using wooden based systems. And so this was 187 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 9: very audacious really by Ukraine and to show again that 188 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 9: anywhere in Russia really is territory that they can reach. 189 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 5: Russia's disputing the. 190 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 9: Damage claim and saying that they managed to deflect at 191 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 9: least some of these drones from some airfields and that 192 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 9: the damage to airplanes was minor. Obviously, Ukraine says that 193 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 9: it managed to do several billion dollars worth of damage. 194 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 9: But either way, again it's more the symbolism of what 195 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 9: they've done in hitting so far right the way you say, 196 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,479 Speaker 9: to eastern Siberia. 197 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: And at the same time Ukraine came under attack one 198 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: of the longest barrages that had seen from Russian missiles 199 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: and drones, air sirens lasting for more than nine hours. 200 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how do all of these escalations set the 201 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: tone for the talks that are due to take place 202 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: and it's unbult today. 203 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 9: Well, it's interesting to see that at least for now 204 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 9: the talks are going ahead given this backdrop, as you say, 205 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 9: of mutual attacks across the weekend, But the idea probably 206 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 9: is to again demonstrate that even after a number of 207 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 9: years of war and with Ukraine obviously struggling for long 208 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 9: range missiles and access to certain weapons, is that they 209 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 9: can still hurt each other and still hit each other. 210 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 10: You know. 211 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 9: Ukraine is saying we may not have masses of troops 212 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 9: on the ground and curse, but we can still come 213 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 9: at you inside Russia, and Russia obviously wanting to send 214 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 9: the same message with it strikes on the weekend. So 215 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 9: they're coming into these talks both sort of showing you 216 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 9: know what, this is what we can do. Does that 217 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 9: necessarily lay the groundwork for a conducive station. 218 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 5: It's a bit hard to say. 219 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 9: I mean, the first rounds of talks that we saw 220 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 9: led to some prisoner swaps, which is obviously something, but 221 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 9: no real conversation around a ceasefar. Ukraine says that it's 222 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 9: yet to receive this apparent memorandum from Russia detailing what 223 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 9: its demands would be, so it's very hard to see 224 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 9: how these conversations can move forward without that list and 225 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 9: Ukraine again saying fundamentally what they really need is the 226 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 9: leaders to get together, and so that's the leaders of 227 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 9: Ukraine and Russia to be sitting in a room together, 228 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 9: because the only person who can really agree to end 229 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 9: this wark from the Russia side is Vladimir Putin. So 230 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 9: these talks are going ahead, but obviously, you know, we're 231 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 9: moving pretty slowly here. 232 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I suppose the lasts thought is about how 233 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: the US is playing into these discussions right now. 234 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 9: Well, that's right, and we know that the Secretary of 235 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 9: State Marco Rubio spoke with the Russian his Russian counterpart 236 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 9: on the weekend, and the message from that seemed to 237 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 9: be it's really up to Russia and Ukraine to talk 238 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 9: directly and to find solutions here. And the US is 239 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 9: obviously still very much in the conversation but not wanting 240 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 9: to be the direct mediator. And the frustration that we've 241 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 9: seen growing from US President Donald Trump, who had hoped 242 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 9: to get a very quick deal here and a quick 243 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 9: seasphone that's obviously not happened, has now said, really, it's 244 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 9: up to you guys to do so. And so the 245 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 9: message from the US is they're obviously on the phone 246 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 9: a lot to the Ukrainians are on the phone to 247 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 9: the Russians, but they're not wanting to be the ones 248 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 9: in the middle of the negotiation, at least for now. 249 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: And meanwhile, of course everyone around the world is watching 250 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: the footage because the footage, also the Ukrainian footage unverified 251 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: of the attack on the air of planes, has got 252 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: the attention of military surely all over the world because 253 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 2: the attacks were on sitting aircraft on the tarmac, a 254 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: forty Russian aircraft at least according to Ukrainian authority. So 255 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: I think everyone's going to be looking at that, and. 256 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: Those are the images that are being played as we're 257 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: counting down to those talks as well. Ras I just 258 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you briefly about the UK as well. 259 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: Though the government here set to launch its strategic Defense 260 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: review today. The goal, we're told is to send a 261 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: message to Moscow. What do we know about what's going 262 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: to be announced? 263 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: Well, that's right. 264 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 9: I mean a lot of countries the UK is looking 265 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 9: around and saying, well, what are the future challenges and 266 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 9: threats going to be and how can we prepare for those? 267 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 9: You know, we've got conflict, as you say, still in Ukraine, 268 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 9: in the Middle East, you got the US making clear 269 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 9: that countries in Europe, including the UK, need to become 270 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 9: more self reliant and so how do you adapt for that, 271 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 9: and how do you make your military more flexible, more 272 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 9: nimble even and how do you invest and where do 273 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 9: you invest? And so we're expecting announcements confirmation around that 274 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 9: in terms of building new munitions factories for example, so 275 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 9: building the pipeline in the UK for weaponry, possibly also 276 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 9: investing in future attack submarines. I mean those tach decades 277 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 9: to build, but you've got to make a decision at 278 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 9: some point to invest in them. And also just retention, 279 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 9: how do you make the UK military more appealing for 280 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 9: people and then how do you keep your top shelf 281 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 9: talent when they joined. 282 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 5: So a lot in that to come today. 283 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: Ross all of this is happening at a time we're 284 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: also elsewhere and you're watching the results out of the 285 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: Polish presidential election over the weekend as well, the nationalist 286 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: candidate being coming out on top, beating the centrist mayor 287 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: of Warsaw. This is continuing a sort of political status 288 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: that we've seen in Poland, following on from Andros Duda, 289 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: with you putting Prime Minister of Poland in a difficult 290 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: situation from here. 291 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 5: Well, that's right. The result looks really really tight. 292 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 9: I mean, the exit poles were swinging last night between 293 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 9: the two of them, and now we see a very 294 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 9: very close result. But as you say, the sort of 295 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 9: the Antieu candidate in a way in front. It'll be 296 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 9: interesting to see if there are any challenges to this 297 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 9: result because it is very very close. But as you say, 298 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 9: what it shows again is that Polanism is like other 299 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 9: countries in Europe, exceptionally polarized. And you've got, you know, 300 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 9: those who want to stay very much close to Europe 301 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 9: and those who are I guess seeing the appeal in 302 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 9: some of the retoric of candidates who've embraced the agenda 303 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 9: of those like Donald Trump. 304 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: Okay, Rasell marsonari Ami, a news director, Thank you. 305 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: Now, let's turn our attention away from Europe to China, 306 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: which has accused the US of violating its recent trade 307 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: deal and has wowed to take measures to defend its 308 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: own interests. Jenny Marsh leads our team covering economics and 309 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: government in China and joins us now, Jenny, good morning. 310 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: What exactly is Beijing said the US is doing the 311 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: accusation today? 312 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 10: So the Ministry of Commerce in Beijing has come out 313 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 10: this morning on a public holiday in China basically say, 314 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 10: you know, the US insists on sort of continuing to 315 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 10: go its own way. They're saying, then it's going to 316 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 10: have to sort of respond with forceful measures. So they 317 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 10: haven't sort of been specific about what those are, but 318 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 10: it's sort of hinting at retaliation. And this comes after 319 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 10: last week the sort of this steady trickle of news 320 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 10: of extra restrictions that the Trump administration is applying in 321 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 10: the tech industry, so sort of throttling access to chip 322 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 10: design software that Chinese chip makers use, also curtailing the 323 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 10: export of jet engine parts that are crucial to China's 324 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 10: ability to develop its own jetliner industry. And that came 325 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 10: as well after sort of the global bound we saw 326 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 10: right after the Geneva Geneva agreement on the Huawei chips, 327 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 10: trying to ban use of them anywhere in the world. 328 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 10: So the Chinese are basically saying, you're violating the consensus 329 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 10: not only of the Geneva agreement but of this The 330 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 10: last call that was had between Trump and she which 331 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 10: was on January seventeenth, before Trump came into office, formally, 332 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 10: and I think the context there is, you know, over 333 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 10: the weekend, Trump has been saying, you know, he needs 334 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 10: to have a call with President She to sort things out, 335 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 10: and they're kind of saying, now, well, you know, Trump 336 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 10: isn't even sticking to what was agreed the last time 337 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 10: the two leaders spoke. So the influence there kind of is, 338 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 10: you know, it's very doubtful that she's going to get 339 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 10: on the phone with Trump in this kind of climate. 340 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: Jenny, we had seen this big turnaround in sentiment, as 341 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned, after the Geneva agreement. Again, how far does 342 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: this set us back in terms of the relations between 343 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: the US and China. 344 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 10: I think this is a good reality check because you're 345 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 10: completely right. There was so much optimism after that Geneva agreement, 346 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 10: which kind of brought the tariffs down from one hundred 347 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 10: and forty five percent all the way down to thirty 348 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 10: for China, you know, and so that was a great 349 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 10: win in terms of the tariff pause, but it didn't 350 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 10: really sort of fundamentally change anything about the US China relationship. 351 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 10: It wasn't really a deal that they worked out in Geneva. 352 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 10: They just agreed to sort of hit the brakes and 353 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 10: pause things, and all of the things that sort of 354 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 10: the fundamentally sort of difficult issues that underpin this relationship, 355 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 10: they still remain there. So the US still wants to 356 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 10: block China's access to high tech chips because the US 357 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 10: wants to be the world's tech superpower. China still wants 358 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 10: to you know, develop Huawei into a company that can 359 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 10: rival and video, and it's going to use its the 360 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 10: leverage it has, which is you know, rare earths, these 361 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 10: very sort of niche metals that are crucial to everything 362 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 10: from sort of nuclear reactor rods to jet planes. And 363 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 10: so it's becoming this interesting battle where the fight isn't 364 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 10: really over the tariffs anymore, you know, the terariff fight. 365 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 10: We've sort of seen that play out. 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