WEBVTT - Trump's Legal Dramas 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:05.080 I never thought anything like this could happen in America 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.719 could happen, but it did happen. For the first time 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.639 in our history, a former president was charged with a crime, 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:17.400 taken into custody, fingerprinted, and arraigned on thirty four felony 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.919 counts of falsifying business records. Trump pleaded not guilty and 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.320 only uttered ten words behind closed doors in the Manhattan 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.640 Criminal courtroom, But in a Grievanceville speech before supporters at 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.400 Mara Lago that evening, he attacked the indictment as politically 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.240 motivated and leveled attacks on the judge, the district attorney, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.560 and their families. I have a Trump painting judge with 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.440 the Trump painting wife and family whose daughter worked for 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.960 Kamala Harris. The criminal is the district attorney because he 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:56.360 illegally leaked massive amounts of grand jury information. Manhattan DA 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.280 Alvin Bragg claims that Trump falsified business record at his 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.920 company relating to a one hundred thirty thousand dollars hush 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.480 money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels in an effort 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.440 to hide salacious news from the public in order to 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:15.920 win the presidency. Thirty four false statements made to cover 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.360 up other crimes. These are felony crimes in New York State. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.600 No matter who you are, we cannot and will not 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.760 normalize serious criminal conducts. Joining me is Michael Moore, a 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.000 partner More Hall and the former US Attorney for the 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.960 Middle District of Georgia. Michael, it's a bare bones indictment. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.120 Thirty four records. Trump is accused of falsifying. That's clear 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.720 and simple. But in order to bump these up to felonies, 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.920 the district attorney has to show that they were falsified 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.840 with the intent to commit, aid or conceal another crime. 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.560 But the indictment doesn't specify what those other crimes are, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.160 and the district attorney was really ambiguous about them at 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.640 the press conference. So is that a weakness in the 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.640 case or is it the DA playing his cards close 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.440 to his vest I really think it's a weakness in 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.040 the case. A prosecutor's job is to do things in 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.120 a way that follows the law in the facts, but 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.320 also to give the public confidence in his or her 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.280 decision making and charge of decisions as they've moved forward. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.799 And you know, without that information, I just don't think 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.480 the indictment does that when I looked at the indictment 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.800 in the statement of fact, I was underwhelmed. Would probably 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.000 be generous to say that. And I've heard a lot 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.200 of talk about the issue of everyone's treated the same 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.200 or should be treated the same under the law. But 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.440 the reality is you can do that while at the 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.480 same time recognizing the fact before us, if this is 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:46.800 a former president and historic prosecution in any manner, and 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.160 so I really felt like it needed to have more 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.640 meat on the bones than we saw in the indictment. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.120 I think there's some things that are going to be 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.200 subject to appeal right away from the indictment that deals 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.960 with you whether or not the federal election laws can 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.440 be the crimes that are sort of the secondary tier 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.320 that allow the cases to be vowed from a mistermount 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.000 to a felony, and then with are not in a 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.280 potential tax violation in fact and cover that as well. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.480 So we just begin to see, I'm sure what will 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.959 be a long pre trial motion process. So is what's 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.800 likely to happen that during discovery, defense attorneys get those 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.760 answers from the prosecutor about what the underlying crime is 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.280 or will they have to wait till trial. Now I 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.920 think they'll probably file a motion early on to demand 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.480 that there'll be more specifics given in the charge of 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.080 document and indictment for people who don't do it every day. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.160 If you think about this, that the indictment is really 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.520 the document that has to be given to anyone who's 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.360 charged with the crime so that they can have a 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.160 complete and full understanding of what they're being charged with. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.960 It's a notice document, and so this just simply I 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.440 don't think gave sufficient notice. So I imagine that the 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.080 lawyers were Trump will not only file them motion to 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.480 dismiss that they'll also then ask accord in the alternative 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.680 and maybe in second motions as well, for specific particulars 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.720 about the charges in question. The defense attorneys have said 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.920 they're going to be aggressive with motions. What kind of 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.760 motions can we expect, Well, I think it's likely that 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.360 you'll see an initial motion challenging the jurisdiction of the court, 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.760 probably raised on constitutional grounds. There will be arguments about 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.080 presidential immunity. I think you will have motions on the 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.640 indictment itself and whether or not it's sufficient. So you'll 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.880 see likely motions to dismiss, challenging the language of the indictment, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.359 the notice given to a defendant in the indictment, the 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.520 sufficiency of each of the allegations that stated on the 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.560 face of the indictment. And you know, when you think 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.760 about that too, remember that a defendant doesn't have to 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.359 try to guess what's in the prosecutor's mind. He didn't 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.240 have to wait and guess what might be presented to 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.119 the jury. He's entitled to some notice in a case. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.840 And so they'll challenge the indictment on sufficiency, I feel certain, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.279 and there'll be some challenges as well on this sort 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.680 of new idea about whether or not you can have 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.520 as a basis for a state criminal prosecution and allegation 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.800 that is so inextricably tied to federal election law and 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.600 a federal statute, and is that actionable in the criminal 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.520 courts in New York. That's some of the initial motions 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.760 I think we'll see. You're going to have other motions 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.080 as well. They'll probably be a motion to change the 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.160 venue or the place where the trial would be held. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.360 I'd expect very likely that you'll see motions to disqualify 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.200 the prosecutor and likely to ask the judge to accuse himself. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.320 You know, these will be aggressive defense attorneys, as they 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.240 should be, and every defendant under the Constitution has a 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.680 right to a zealous defense, and so I expect that 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.159 you'll see this. But again, it will be especially so 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.520 because of the enormity of this case and the ramifications 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.719 of this case really not just now, but in fifty years, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.080 what this means and whether or not there could be 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.799 local charges against the formal president for some conduct even 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.240 while the president may have been in office. Are you 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.640 basically saying that, despite what Bragg says, that Trump can't 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.200 be treated just like any other defense. I think that 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.479 that's right. I think that you try to treat people fairly, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.360 but you can't get around the circumstances that we're in. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.240 And you don't have to look any further the fact 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.320 that you know, we had to have the courthouse closed 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.640 basically to allow Trump to appear in court for security reasons. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.000 That's treating it different than any other defendant. I mean, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.560 that's just the reality that we're in. I think, given 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.040 the charges against a formal president, there'll be security issues 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.400 that go on throughout the trial. There'll be scheduling an 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.680 appearance issues that go off throughout the trial. There may 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:32.080 be appeals where the federal courts are more actively involved 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.920 in the case because the charges involved a formal president. 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.679 You basically matters move more quickly towards the Supreme Court 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.480 because of that, as we deal with constitutional issues that 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.400 are not president in every other case. And I think too, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.800 I mean, I do think that you know, a prosecutor 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.240 has to also use his or her discrestion and bring 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.680 in cases. And you'd like to say, and I think 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.200 prosecutor would tell you that every time they ever see 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.920 a violation of any crime anywhere and if your station, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.600 they bring charges. But that's just not the case. And 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.240 you can think, I'm sure about circumstances where people get 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.479 a warning when they violated speeding on him, some drivers 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.600 get a warning, somebody does not, or cases where somebody's 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.640 charged with an offense that could prohibit them from going 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.720 to college and complete the scholarship that the prosecutor decides 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.960 to reduce the charge so that they're not thrown out 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.560 of college. You can go down a list of examples 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.960 that are very much real life examples about how prosecutor 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:27.880 has to think about things. And I think this is 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.680 an example of when even though the law has an 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.240 even hand and Lady Justice is blind, you still have 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.160 to think about what we're doing as it relates to 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.040 the United States and what case may be the case 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.080 if you're going to bring one forward that should be 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.320 a league case against a former president of the United States, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.280 And is this the case? I mean, is this in 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.200 fact the case that basically is the best to knock 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.280 the king off the throne? And I think that's going 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.960 to be the question today. Remember as well that you know, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.400 the former disc attorney did not prosecute, the Department of 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.400 Justice declined to prosecutor case like this, and yet here 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.000 we are. And you know, one thing they have to 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.360 be thinking about, I'm certain is you know they had 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.000 a very sort of a similar type of case. It 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.320 wasn't exactly it would say, among the facts, but you 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.480 had a former presidential candidate who had been charged similarly 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.640 in the Edwards case, and ultimately he was acquitted at trial. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.440 There were some tausid but Jerry hung on, but they 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.400 were ultimately dismissed and not pursuing further by the government. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.679 So all those calculations have to be in a prosecutor's mind. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.480 You can see if you think about even the Southern 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.200 District of New York declining to move forward. They have 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.920 to be thinking about things like witness credibility and availability 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.040 of evidence on the statements that have been made. Those 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.840 are real life calculations that go into a decision or 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.960 whether or not to move forward the case, even though 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:52.600 you may be satisfied in your gut that something illegal 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:57.680 was done. Before the arraignment, Trump called the DA an animal. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.360 He posted a picture of himself with a base ball 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.400 bat next to a photo of the judge, and during 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.520 the arrayment, the judge warned him about dangerous rhetoric. Yet 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.880 hours later at Marlogo, we attacked the judge, the DA 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:16.520 and their families. Inexcusable. It's inexcusable. I thought that his 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.439 comments have been outrageous. You know. I think a prosecutor 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.920 expects in some regards to not have friends and on 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.120 the other side of the versus mark, and that is 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.800 because you're essentially doing a job that would likely result 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.760 in a criminal conviction and maybe jail time against the 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.800 dependence that you're prosecuting, and so you sort of expect 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.640 as part of your job to have names used against you. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:42.200 I think that when you bring in family members, children, spouses, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.839 the spouses and family members of the court, those types 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.960 of things, It's inexcusable, it's ill advised. I think, at 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:50.640 the end of the day, can come back to bite 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.120 people who do that. And I also I'm not surprised 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.000 at all given what we witnessed during the Trump administration 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.480 and certainly during the campaign time. I'm about his use 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.760 of that kind of rhetoric. You know, you remember, this 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.880 is the same person who's mocked people in hurtful and 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.280 hateful ways, and so I'm not surprised by it. I 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.199 think if you're a lawyer trying to represent a quiet 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.520 like that, you have your hands full and you have 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.120 a great deal of frustration that you can't probably fully 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.680 expressed to somebody who's a former president of United States. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.600 But I'm sure that every lawyer was cringing when the 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.800 attacks got cut loose on the judge. I also don't think, frankly, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.160 that they were just at homitive attacks. I think it 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.000 was an effort to force an accusal by this judge 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.600 and debate him a little bit. Given the recency of 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.640 the comments and the warnings that have been given by 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.360 the court to Trump and his team. But to do 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:47.040 anything that incites violence, to do anything that places a 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.720 famine member of a prosecutor or a judge, or anybody 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.080 involved in the system. I mean, to do anything that 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.040 puts those people in harm's way and at risk is inexcusable. 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.920 It needs to be addressed on its own, outside of 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.160 what may or may not come in the way of 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.320 a gag order. You know, this is not normal conduct. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.920 This is not something that's allowed. I can tell you 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.920 a fact in Georgia that did that, they'd find themselves 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.000 locked up in the jail, their bond revolte. But somehow 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.440 he has done things to our system and sort of 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.200 trained us to think that, at least as it comes 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.600 from him, that this is a normal conduct. Well, there's 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.400 nothing normal about and it's one of the great damages 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.800 I think he's done to America and to our institutions, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.000 and that is to do away with the norms of 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.959 decency and professionalism and the psychicety for our institutions that 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.640 have kept our Democrats are strong. Even if they make 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.959 a motion and they've sort of hinted at making a 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.320 motion for the judge to recuse himself. Judge oversaw the 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.040 tax fraud trial against the Trump Organization and CFO. Do 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.240 you think that he would ever recuse himself. I think 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.160 he could. And let me say this, I don't think 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.120 that's the fact that he may accused himself or consider 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.800 accused himself, is any sign of weakness or wrong doing. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.280 I think judges and prosecutors are to do things that 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.880 make sure that there's no appearance of any conflict of 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.880 interests and no appearance of any impropriety in any way, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.520 even if there is none, it's to protect the system 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.480 and the process from the appearance of that. To me, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.480 that seems like a pretty clear reason for the judge 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.439 to refuse himself, and that is because his daughter, if 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.000 she's working for the campaign, is basically in the throes 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.280 of an upcoming election season against that campaign's opponent or 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.200 likely opponent, you know, if the likely opponent is going 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.559 to lose. And that may mean that the daughter, my 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.199 virtual work on the campaign stands to gain income or 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.679 continues employment as a campaign or whatever it is she does. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.360 And I don't know that, but let's just use as 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.120 an example. That's a good reason to set aside and 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.280 let another judge here. Now. Doesn't mean that this assigned 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.960 judge would do anything different because of that. But it 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.800 lets the public have a confidence and it lets the detractors. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.800 It takes the steam out of their engines to say, Okay, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.040 we've got to judge now who has no connection, no 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.960 familiar connection at all, to Trump's opponents. You're never gonna 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.240 make everybody happy, but it gives the appearance of the 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.920 process that there's no no possibility of favoritism or more 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.880 slant and rudely drink thing like that. Yeah, this judge 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.480 may have done nothing different, he may do nothing different 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.760 through the trial. But it's more about protecting the appearance. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.160 And you know, an example that Democrats want to talk 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.160 about is the Class Thomas situation. You know, we've heard 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.080 for years now and especially very recently about concerns about 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.080 text messages that the justice's wife may have made and 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.800 money so she may have received and our organization may 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.679 or may not have received. I mean, there's been all 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.560 these kinds of this talk out there, and there's this 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.160 clamor from the Democrats said, well, they've got he's got 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.920 to accuse himself, he's got to step day, he's going 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.920 to do this. You know that the appearance is bad. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.959 He could have a confident to venture as well. The 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.800 same may be truth here, and that is it's again 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.360 there's nothing to say, but the justice is ruled a 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.599 particular way because he was told to do that, of 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.960 because he was doing a particular favor for his wife 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.440 or anything else. But it calls into question the decisions 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.520 that he's made because of this potential appearance of the conflict. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.600 Now in the Trump case, you know, every decision that 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.920 this judge makes may be called into question because of 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.320 the impossible appearance of a conflict of interest, whether in 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.920 fact there's anything to it or not. So it's simply 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:27.640 a way to protect the public's belief in public confidence 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.960 in the judicial process. Let's say it remains with this judge. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.160 He set the next major court date for December fourth. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.880 The prosecution was pushing for opening arguments to begin sometime 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.600 in January of twenty twenty four. Trump's defense asked for 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.760 a few more months, maybe sometime in spring of twenty 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.240 twenty four. Do you think the judge will be able 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.680 to keep this on a tight timeline. It's unimaginable to 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.080 me that he would. Number one, he won't be handling 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.520 this on at all without appeals to the courts in 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.880 a locatory appeals or intermediary peoples. And also, I don't 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.840 think there's any way possible to consider that a court 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.680 is going to make a candidate for office come try 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.360 a case a few months before a primary election or 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.920 in the middle of a presidential election season. I just 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.200 have a hard time of imagining that that's going to 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.640 be allowed. And again, I mean that throws into the 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.320 debate I guess about as we go forward. Does that 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.400 mean that every time a presidential elections comes up, a 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.480 local partition's going to charge the candida to the other 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.080 side and try to get up into court so they 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.040 can't campaign. I mean, that's that's one of the very 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.520 real concerns. I think that's out there as we think 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.200 about this this case. If they wanted to try the case, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.120 it should have been tried a long time ago. But 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.080 we've now suddenly waited until pretty much in the middle 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.960 and certainly the warm up of the presidential campaign season. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.280 And I just have a hard time believing that the 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.520 courts will allow a candidate to be sidelined for a 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.880 case it could have been brought years ago. Speaking of 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.560 should have tried it, sooner. What is happening in Georgia. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:06.080 Da Willis started her investigation just days after recording was 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.160 made public. In January twenty twenty one, she had this 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.760 special grand jury where seventy five witnesses, including some high 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:17.840 level Trump people, testified. Eighteen people have been notified their 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:22.640 targets of the investigation. So what is she waiting for? Well, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.440 I mean, that's a good question, and that's another example 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.560 of where the case could have been brought a long 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.240 time ago in a more clean fashion and with an easier, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.960 simpler target of a case, rather than what I think 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.520 she's doing, and that now all appearances is she's looking 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.720 at this is more of an organizational type conspiracy or 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:46.480 agreement to overthrow the election. And that's led to this 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.080 idea for whether there's going to be a Rico prosecution 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.160 and wi be a Rico indictment in those cases take 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.160 a long time after they indicted. So I see no 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.640 way even if she got an indictment tomorrow from the 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.480 grand jury against Trump and whoever else, I see no 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.000 way that her case could ever wrap up before the 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.640 election in twenty four And you know there's a case 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.680 going on in in Lina, right now against a rapper, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.479 and it's a Rico prosecution, and they've spent months and 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.840 months trying to get a jury to have been unable 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.680 to do that, and in part because people can't acknowledge 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.360 and can't say with any certainty that they can take 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 a year off what they're expected for the trial. And 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.120 so I just think it's going to be next impossible 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.720 for that case to move forward before the election. She 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.119 could certainly give the indictment. I see no way she 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.840 could get the case tried. They could be through the 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.280 emotions process and the appeals process and working on that 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.760 to be an electory appeals, But to get to a 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.240 trial and have any kind of conclusion, I think there's 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.120 no way. And so then you get into the question 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.639 of what if he wins, if he wins broke the primary, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.600 and if he happens to win an election, what do 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.960 you do then and what happens to the case. And 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.320 I think that you know, we know that the courts 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.200 are not going to make somebody come in and answer 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:04.040 who is president States after state criminal charges, because they've 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.560 got other things to tend to, like whether or not 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.359 the nuclear missiles are safe and those kinds of things. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.879 So you know, those are big considerations that have to 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.960 come down. But this again, sometimes you know, you don't 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.160 always want the perfect to be the enemy of the good. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.000 And so this is a kind of example where maybe 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.200 you don't want the complex, the more complex and complete 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:25.760 to be the enemy of the good. And that is 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.760 could she have moved forward on a case that was 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.880 more targeted. Could she have moved forward baby on account 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.120 if she wanted to charge or an account of attempting 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.600 to influence Secretary Raffersburger that performance kids duties by way 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.040 of that phone call, because she's done something like that, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.280 and without going through this lengthy, lengthy investigation that I 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.600 think so. But often again she may have evidence that 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.600 we all know about. She certainly has been involved in 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.919 the case, and I have no insight knowledge about what 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.080 she's considering and reviewing. So I don't want to sec 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.320 against everything she's doing. But I would have liked this 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.840 thing that they were going to bring a case because 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.440 of these timing issues. And there again kind of takes 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.760 this full circle for this idea about or people treated differently, Well, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.119 you are treated differently if you're a sitting president and 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.800 you're charged with a crime. Or your schedule for trial 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.040 you would charge before your president and your schedule try 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.040 you are treated different. That's just that's just real. There's 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.280 no real way around that. Those are considerations that have 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.440 to be out there, you know, and we'll say kind 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.520 of it's sat here as we've taught long. You know, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.840 another example, you think about people or they treated differently 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.200 under the law, Well, you have a lot of people 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.960 when they're convicted, they're immediately carted off to jail. They're 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.600 handcuffed in the courtroom and taking to jail. Sometimes that's different. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.760 If you're having to be a pregnant mother, you know, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.840 you're given a certain amount of time. There are other 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.280 things that considerations that are made. So there are differences 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:50.480 that life and circumstances bring, and that's sometimes the beauty 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.960 of judicial and prosecutors discretion as you work through those 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.960 things to still give people confidence in judicial process. And 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.040 during this Moralogo speech, Trump kept coming back to the 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.479 investigation that reportedly is the one that bothers him the 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.120 most or concerns him the most, and that's the Special 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:14.800 Counsel's investigation into the classified documents. And as he's done before, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:20.520 Trump admitted that he had those documents sent to Morolago, 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.760 and there's additional reporting from the Washington Post that the 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:29.200 Special Council has information that he actually went through boxes 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.800 of documents after he got the subpoena. So there's another 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:38.120 one where I'm like, well, why aren't you bringing the indictment? Right? 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.680 I mean, it seems like a fairly clear case. Either 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.240 you had the documents or you didn't. I mean, and 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.359 either you responded to the subpoena or you didn't. Least 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.119 pretty clear issues. I think the Special Council has moved 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.040 fairly quickly since he's been assigned, and we know that 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.600 he's put some some pressure and interviews on various members 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.520 of Organslation, and he's continuing to look at that. But 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.360 it does seem like a case that could be very clear. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.879 I'm sure that when Trump was making his comments about 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.800