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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, it's hour two. It's a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: NFL season opens tonight.

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Speaker 3: Baby, we are live. It is The Herd.

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Speaker 1: Jmac Greg Cosel will be joining us in less than

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Speaker 1: five minutes, So Jmack, I make my final predictions on

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Speaker 1: the opening Thursday. I've got one change, a new division winner,

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Speaker 1: and I'll explain why. But over the course of the offseason,

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Speaker 1: I make a prediction after coaching hires and free agency,

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Speaker 1: then after the draft, then I get one kind of

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Speaker 1: in the middle of preseason, and then here this one.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to go fire away? Okay, we start here.

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Speaker 1: There's my predictions for this year. We start in the AFC,

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Speaker 1: an easier conference to predict because the top quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: so good in the AFC East. I'm going Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and the Bills. Patriots' most improved team get in as

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Speaker 1: a wild card team. Maybe not good enough to win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game, but coach and rosters much better. Dolphins third,

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Speaker 1: I'm going with that just because of Tua and an

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Speaker 1: offensive coach. I think the Jets roster is good. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Aaron Glenn is. They just lost their

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Speaker 1: best or second best offensive lineman. I'm staying put with

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Speaker 1: that one. AFC North again, I think it's fairly predictable.

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Speaker 1: Ravens arguably best operation in the sport with Lamar, I'll

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Speaker 1: go with the quarterback and Joe Burrow next, although like

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Speaker 1: J Mack, I worry about how they start in their

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Aaron and the Steelers will be around five

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Speaker 1: hundred or a game above or below, and the Browns

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Speaker 1: are in a rebuild. I love their coach in GM.

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Speaker 1: I like Joe Flacco. Miles Garrett's amazing, but they're four

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Speaker 1: AFC South. I'm just gonna go with what I know.

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Speaker 1: Demico Ryans hell of a coach, and I like c. J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud. Rebuilding the O line worries me. CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud's a gamer. Step back a little last year, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't his fault. He couldn't keep wide receivers healthy.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars second, I'm like j Mack. I like him, but

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Speaker 1: I never love him. Titans third, Coles don't know what

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Speaker 3: That's scary.

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Speaker 1: Their fourth well, they do know what quarterback and it's

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Speaker 1: not a great one. AFC West, I think it's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: I think you have four really good teams. I think

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Speaker 1: the Broncos have the best roster. Kansas City Reid in

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Speaker 1: Mahomes once again, I don't know a rookie left tackle.

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Speaker 1: Joe Tooney's gone worries me. Also, wide receiving Corps no Rashi, Rice,

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelce getting old. I think the Broncos will look

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Speaker 1: very clearly early in the season like a Super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 1: Chargers losing Rashawn Slater the left tackle worries me greatly.

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Speaker 1: Joe alt moves over, but now they've got a right

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Speaker 1: tackle issue, and the Raiders will be the best fourth

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Speaker 1: place team in the division. So Bill's Ravens, Texans, Broncos

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Speaker 1: are the division win. Patriots Bengals Chiefs are wild card teams.

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Speaker 1: New England Bengals are both new playoff teams NFC. Again,

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty Static, Eagles, Commanders, Giants, Cowboys. I

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Speaker 1: actually have said this, if the if the Giants get

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Speaker 1: B to B plus quarterback play, They're gonna shock some people.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna They're gonna go toe to toe with Washington.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if Jackson Dart's ready, if Russell

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Speaker 1: love Abdul Carter and their defensive front. It's nothing but

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Speaker 1: dogs up front. I think in the NFC North again,

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Speaker 1: we I'm just gonna kind of roll with the quietest offseason.

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Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers young still, but I like their

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Speaker 1: first pick, another wide receiver for Jordan Love. Lions have

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Speaker 1: two new coordinators, but I love almost everything else about

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Speaker 1: the organization. Bears, Vikings all know a lot more after

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Speaker 1: Monday Night, third and fourth, respectively. NFC South is not

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Speaker 1: a very good division. The Sainteal stink. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: the Bucks are as good as a lot of the

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Speaker 1: NFL execs and better stink. But I trust Baker, I

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Speaker 1: I've spent more money on the Falcons losing bets. I

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Speaker 1: Panthers are better than people think. I'll put them third,

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Speaker 1: Saints fourth, NFC West. Here's my big change Rams. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to have them winning the division again. Bottom line

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Speaker 1: is they won the division last year. Despite starting one

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Speaker 1: more rookies last year, and their defense the last month

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Speaker 1: It'll be better. It's had a great camp Seattle. The

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Speaker 1: one new team making the playoffs in the NFC, it's

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I only have three new playoff teams. The

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Speaker 1: NFL average is closer to five, but I have argued

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Speaker 1: that number has been going down in recent years. Why

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Speaker 1: because it's becoming a more quarterback dependent league, and if

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Speaker 1: you are more predictably a playoff team. So it used

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Speaker 1: to be there were six new playoff teams, then five

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Speaker 1: the league is getting, at least not on a week

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Speaker 1: easier to predict. And with that Greg Cosel forty six

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Speaker 1: years NFL films, Right, let's start Tonight's the big one

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia in Dallas. Sure, Okay, Brian Schottenheimer's offense, you've seen

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Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. Does it match with Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're going to have to have some

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Speaker 4: spent earlier this week watching literally all of Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 4: was kind of disappointed. There's something wrong with his lower body, Colin,

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Speaker 4: you know, and this was before he got hurt. He

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Speaker 4: was very tight hipped, he was very heavy footed. He

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think their defense has some significant questions versus this

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Speaker 4: Eagles offense, which is really really efficient. It would not

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Speaker 4: surprise me at all tonight if you saw the Eagles

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Speaker 4: come out, no huddle, tempo and throw the football, because

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of changes on that Cowboys defense, including

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Speaker 3: So I want to ask you about Philly.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Eagles thirty six plus carries per game. After

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Speaker 1: the bye they ran more and threw less. You said

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Speaker 1: they could do anything. I mean, I like their tight ends,

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Speaker 1: I like everything does their personnel. When you watch Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it fits who they are and

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Speaker 4: what they are. They've got the best O line in

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Speaker 4: only true change is at right guard, where Steen played

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Speaker 4: group back. They are a run first football team. I

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Speaker 4: think the fact that they are so good on fourth

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Speaker 4: has run the ball more than any team in the

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Speaker 4: I think that within the context of how they play offense,

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts is highly efficient. You know they do not

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Speaker 5: It hurts.

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Speaker 4: The running element that hurts brings both by design within

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Speaker 5: They're very, very difficult to defend.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go to another game this weekend

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Speaker 1: and maybe the Marquee game, Baltimore and Buffalo. I think

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Speaker 1: just what my eyes tell me, after Philadelphia, and we

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Speaker 1: always think of Baltimore, Well, they're run heavy, it's Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 1: gotten better in the pocket. But do you think, especially

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Speaker 4: Funny, I watched a lot of Lamar this summer, and

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Speaker 4: I thought that their offense he threw the ball well.

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Speaker 4: I thought Monkin did a really good job with their

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Speaker 5: You know, they played in the divisional.

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Speaker 4: Playoffs last year, these two teams, and it was a

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Speaker 4: very odd game. As you may remember, Josh Allen threw

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Speaker 4: that game, the Bills dominated on the ground. They controlled

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Speaker 4: Usually games don't work out exactly the same way when

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're a really good football team, you know.

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Speaker 4: You know, people get wrapped up and who makes the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl and obviously they haven't and they haven't won

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Speaker 4: an AFC Championship game obviously, but there's it's not a

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Speaker 1: You know, last year, Josh Allen only completed about sixty

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Speaker 1: three percent of his throws, which was twenty fourth in

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Speaker 1: the league. I don't it doesn't. I've always said the

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Speaker 3: And now he has James Cook.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you, when you look at that

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Speaker 4: You know what, Colin, It could be that they had

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Lions go out and replace both coordinators.

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Speaker 4: Now I would imagine conceptually they're not going to change

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Speaker 1: Such a you know, the NFL is so funny. You

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Speaker 3: You know. It's like, if Drake.

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Speaker 5: Well, here's how I'd answer that.

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Speaker 4: I think that the really good There's very few quarterbacks,

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Speaker 5: That have no flaws in their game at all. There's

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Speaker 4: So I think what really good offensive coaches do, besides

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Speaker 5: And I think that's absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's the absolute key to getting the

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Speaker 5: And I think that's one reason they're so good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're as fired up as we are,

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Speaker 1: and I know you are. Forty six years NFL films.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for tonight. Greg is always great, Senia.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Colin.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh. I just football is just different.

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Speaker 1: I have a smile on my face perpetually from like

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Speaker 1: Labor Day until February twentieth. Well, maybe that's because I'm

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, wow, Oh my goodness. Nice coming.

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Speaker 3: Oh I know. Listen, this is the optimistic nice column.

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Speaker 3: You know, it depends on the night. Tonight. I am

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Speaker 6: That's the beauty of being out here in California. You

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Speaker 3: The entire game.

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Speaker 6: Here you go.

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of things going on today.

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Speaker 1: Week one NFL begins after a dynamic college football weekend

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Speaker 1: in which Texas and Ohio State highest rented Week one game.

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Speaker 3: Was it ever?

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Speaker 1: Seventeen million people topped at eighteen and a half million.

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Speaker 1: That's like a national Championship rating from a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago. That is that is big Boy TV ratings.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the News.

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Speaker 2: On the News, this is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 6: You know he touched on this game earlier. Bengals Browns.

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Speaker 6: There's some sharp money coming in on Cleveland Colin. I

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Speaker 6: kind of like them getting points at home. And as

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Speaker 6: we talked about, the Bengals have started each of the

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Speaker 6: last three seasons OHO and two. Joe Burrow and Zach

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Speaker 6: Taylor have really struggled the first couple of weeks the

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Speaker 6: last few seasons. Burrow's aware of that, and he's ready

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Speaker 6: for some fireworks in Cleveland.

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Speaker 8: The narrative surrounding our team has shifted. I'm not sure

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Speaker 8: I would say most prove. I would say that we

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Speaker 8: certainly are trying to go out and win as much

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Speaker 8: as we can. We're putting in a lot of work

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Speaker 8: for it.

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Speaker 6: It's not a narrative Joe, like you're not winning the

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Speaker 6: first couple of games, like look at the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it does.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of things in Cincinnati that

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Speaker 1: don't make sense most of the time. Great quarterbacks with

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Speaker 1: great offensive coaches, and we can't label Zach Taylor that,

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Speaker 1: thank you, but great quarterbacks with comp on an offensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: He did get to a super Bowl start. Well, they

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Speaker 1: don't Alway's end well, but they're a little ahead of schedule, Burrow,

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Speaker 1: I mean Mahomes and Allen and Lamar and Stafford and

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Speaker 1: golf and c J. Stroud, Like we tend to think

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Speaker 1: Jalen hurt start quickly. Why does Joe Burrow' I think

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Speaker 1: some of it is he's never had a fully healthy camp,

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Speaker 1: maybe once in four years. I think some of it's health.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think you like Zach Taylor. I think

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's more than confident. I don't categorize him as special.

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Speaker 1: I will always defend Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow because

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Speaker 1: this is the smallest or second smallest scouting department in

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Speaker 1: the league, and Cincinnati is an antiquated business in a

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Speaker 1: great league.

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Speaker 6: So Colin, if you came out for the opening rant

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Speaker 6: tomorrow and you're fumbling your words and getting stuff wrong

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Speaker 6: and it was just shopping for ten minutes, you didn't

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Speaker 6: prepare well, right, that's safe to say you were ill prepared.

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Speaker 3: So how would you.

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Speaker 6: Describe the Bengals the last three years? The first two

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Speaker 6: weeks of the season, they came out, couldn't block, nobody

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Speaker 6: was connecting, The defense is getting threaded. You noted they

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Speaker 6: lost to the Patriots last year?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, Jerrod Mao got fired. The Patriots were awful.

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Speaker 3: Like it's lack of preparation.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that I trust Zach Taylor to draw

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Speaker 6: fantasy football plays for my daughter's flag football league. Honestly,

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Speaker 6: I just I have.

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Speaker 3: Not seen it.

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Speaker 6: I know he went to a Super Bowl and we

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Speaker 6: got a big Bengals fan on staff, But show me

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Speaker 6: the proof that Zach Taylor's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think some of this is we overvalue Cincinnati because

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Speaker 1: we love three of their players, and they all high

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Speaker 1: profile pass rusher, quarterback Jamar Chase, and so we just think,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're really good. I don't think that very

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Speaker 1: good old line. I don't think they have the back

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Speaker 1: end of their defense has been weak. I just don't

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Speaker 1: think their roster's very good. And I think that's the

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Speaker 1: scouting department. They don't make big moves. They don't they're

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Speaker 1: they're the opposite of the Eagles. They do not take risk,

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Speaker 1: they do not draft consistently well. But when you have

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Speaker 1: a star quarterback, of star receiver and a start our

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Speaker 1: edge rusher, there's a sense that, man, they got good players.

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Speaker 1: They have three great players, but the drop off from

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Speaker 1: those three to the next eight to ten best players,

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Speaker 1: I think is greater than anybody else in the league's

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Speaker 1: drop off from their top three players to their next

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Speaker 1: seven or eight.

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Speaker 6: So they did fire their defensive coordinator. He's out, and

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Speaker 6: now Al Golden's the guy.

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Speaker 1: By the way, they love that DC two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Now they don't like him. Maybe it's the personnel.

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Speaker 6: It could be we'll see. Listen, Joe Flacco. We know

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Speaker 6: he's immobile in the pocket. We know the Steelers and

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Speaker 6: the and the Ravens are gonna get after him. Are

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Speaker 6: the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Can they get to him? I don't know where.

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Speaker 6: We have to see something different because whatever they've done

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Speaker 6: the last few years not working early in the season.

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Speaker 6: Calm and I don't mean to be harsh to the Bengals.

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Speaker 6: I know they're gonna come out for me. But next up,

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Speaker 6: let's go to the Patriots. The Mike vrabel Era kicks

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Speaker 6: off against our ass. This is a spicy game.

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Speaker 1: Make one Ashton Genty. I cannot wait to watch him.

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Speaker 6: Well, Vrabel's a good coach, but overvaluing him, so what

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Speaker 6: of his The big iyres was bringing back Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 6: as his OC.

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Speaker 3: And former Patriot Brian Hoyer.

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Speaker 6: Now podcasting will have a huge impact on Drake May's development.

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Speaker 5: Josh is going to give you as much information as

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Speaker 5: he can.

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Speaker 9: Hey, remember on this play, we're thinking, if it's man,

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Speaker 9: we're here, if it's zone, we're here, or hey remember

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Speaker 9: if the if the front changes, we got.

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Speaker 5: To alert out of this.

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Speaker 9: He's giving constant information and the amount of benefit that

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Speaker 9: Drake will have before the ball is snapped on every

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Speaker 9: single play because of not only the game plan going

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Speaker 9: into it, but the information that's being repeated to him

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Speaker 9: before the ball is snapped will do a lot for

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Speaker 9: him and taking that ownership to the next level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got him at ten wins.

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Speaker 6: I kind of want to take the Raiders here. In

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Speaker 6: the opener, I'm looking for the absolute latest update. Nine

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Speaker 6: minutes ago. Christian Gonzalez, the star cornerback number him.

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Speaker 5: He is here.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't look like he's taking the field today. He's

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Speaker 6: got a hamstring so he may not play.

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Speaker 3: We get out of Oregon, who got banged up?

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Speaker 6: He's a star now, Maybe it's an injury issue because

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Speaker 6: remember last year or two years ago he was hurting.

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Speaker 6: He's very very good. Yeah, he's your league cornerback. You know,

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Speaker 6: you take him off the field? Can the Raiders? You know,

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Speaker 6: Smith have some success. I'm a buy on Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 6: I know you guys are obviously friendly. Yeah, I like

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Speaker 6: Chip Kelly a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay away from this game. I think it's

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Speaker 1: Raiders are passed for me.

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Speaker 6: If I can get three and a half, I don't

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Speaker 6: want to say I'll put a year's salary.

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Speaker 3: I would very much like the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: But listen, that half point is what I'm waiting for

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Speaker 1: tonight and tomorrow morning for my picks.

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Speaker 3: Because there's two or three games.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if I get the Texans and three

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Speaker 1: and a half, I'm taking Houston.

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Speaker 6: What about the over under? Can you believe that's it?

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Speaker 3: I think it too. I think it should be an under. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how.

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Speaker 6: People aren't hitting that. No, what am I missing? The

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Speaker 6: Rams defense end last season was Elite's gonna be? What's

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Speaker 6: gonna be different?

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Speaker 3: What's the over under? Forty two four? Wow?

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Speaker 6: This morning I was like, Wow, that seems a little high.

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Speaker 6: I think that's gonna be a great game. Final story,

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Speaker 6: Colin is to Denver. Were your Broncos? I can say

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Speaker 6: that they agreed to a deal with Nick Benito, star linebacker,

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Speaker 6: four year, one hundred and twenty million dollars seventy mil

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Speaker 6: guaranteed for the young linebacker. He's making twenty six and

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Speaker 6: a half mil per year, tenth highest paid player in

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Speaker 6: the league. That surprised me, right behind Derek Singley. But Benito, oh,

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Speaker 6: he was phenomenal last year. Third in the NFL and

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Speaker 6: sacks and the Denver defense. He was like spearheading it.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 1: Every time I've watched him, I always think he's undersized,

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Speaker 1: yet he is so athletic and so physical.

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Speaker 3: He is one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, you look at Miles Garrett, he didn't

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Speaker 1: look in TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt.

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Speaker 1: They don't look like normal human beings, Joey Bosa or

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. I'm just there's something about the ability. Like

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Speaker 1: Michaeh Parsons to me's a little undersized. Same same with Benito,

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Speaker 1: Like I always think he's a little slender. Dude gets

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Speaker 1: after it.

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Speaker 6: You look at that chart on the screen highest paid defenders. Mama,

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Speaker 6: let your kids grow up to be ed drushers. They

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Speaker 6: are getting paid. Seven of the the top ten are

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Speaker 6: ed dress.

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Speaker 1: As the quarterback becomes more centric to pro football, who

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Speaker 1: makes the quarterback uncomfortable?

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Speaker 6: Which makes it crazy that the Cowboys traded Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 3: I can't get out now. If you are trading a year.

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Speaker 6: Ago, we don't need to rehash it, but I Nick.

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Speaker 3: Benito got paid in Denver.

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Speaker 6: Good luck to cam Ward this weekend in Altitude.

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Speaker 3: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news.

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Speaker 3: And thanks for stopping by. Wait for Urban Meyer at

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Speaker 3: the top of next hour.

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Speaker 1: Is you know, Urban's had a lot of success with

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in his coaching career at go all the way

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Speaker 1: back to Alex Smith, He's had a lot of success.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested his take on arch Manning because it was hard,

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Speaker 1: you know how. Something they old saying is I can't

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Speaker 1: unhear that or I can't unsee that, And that's that's

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Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at with arch Manning. I can't

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Speaker 1: undsee that. That was not good. That was jarringly bad.

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Speaker 1: So we'll the Urban Myers coming up top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, former Patriot Great, is stopping by two live

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Speaker 1: in La.

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Speaker 3: It's The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 6: App Saturday on Baseball Night in America, Jose Althouve and

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Speaker 6: the Astros fight for the AO West Crown against the Rangers,

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Speaker 6: or the Giants take on the Cardinals, or it's Twins Royals.

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Speaker 6: Check local listings for the game in your area Saturday,

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Speaker 6: sevent eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: There's so many things we don't know about Week one.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if JJ McCarthy can play. We don't

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Speaker 1: know what Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams is going to

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Speaker 1: look like. We don't know if Trevor Lawrence is finally

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Speaker 1: gonna give us this season because he's got real pieces now.

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, Travis Hunter, Liam Collin, is Travis Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: going to finally deliver what we expect? Don't know, I

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Speaker 1: mean losing your star left tackle. Is Jim Harbaugh's team

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Speaker 1: take a step back? Or they do they remain a

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Speaker 1: playoff team. Is Denver as good as we think? I

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Speaker 1: think just Chicago because of the brand, the bigness of

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Speaker 1: it is a fascinating, you know, football team. Ben Johnson's

655
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Speaker 1: the new coach, Caleb Williams is going in the year two,

656
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: and Greg Cosell talked about what Ben Johnson does that

657
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Speaker 1: is different on film and that could help Caleb Williams.

658
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Speaker 4: When I watched that offense and Ben Johnson, to me,

659
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Speaker 4: what stands out is just the spacing of the route concepts.

660
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 4: How it really beautifully defines the reads for the quarterback

661
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Speaker 4: because the spacing is so good.

662
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: Spacing and balance.

663
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: You hear floor balance in basketball all the time, but

664
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Speaker 4: that's critical for the passing game, particularly against zone coverage.

665
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Speaker 4: And that's where I thought Ben Johnson was an absolute master.

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Speaker 1: That's Monday night at home one and a half point

667
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Dogs to the Vikings. I mean, you talk about two offenses.

668
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: We don't know what we're going to get. It's Bears

669
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Speaker 1: Vikings on Monday. It's the Enigma game, It's the it's

670
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Speaker 1: the question mark game. We love the offensive brain power

671
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Speaker 1: of the coaches. We like upgrades on the offensive line

672
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Speaker 1: for both. We just don't know what we're going to

673
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Speaker 1: get from the quarterback. The other thing Cosell talked about,

674
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Speaker 1: and you know Greg in the offseason will watch every snap.

675
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: He really said there's something wrong with Dak Prescott. That

676
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: really jumped out to me. He said, there's something wrong

677
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott's lower body. So we just had his

678
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Speaker 1: second lower body surgery. So that was really alarming if

679
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Speaker 1: you're a Cowboy fan, because Greg's not going to just

680
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: wing it. He said something on the film doesn't look right.

681
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Dak looks rigid and steff. And then he talked about

682
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense.

683
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Speaker 4: It fits who they are and what they are. They've

684
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: got the best O line in the league. They have

685
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Speaker 4: basically the same offense back. The only true change is

686
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Speaker 4: at right guard. Within the context of how they play offense,

687
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts is highly efficient.

688
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Speaker 5: You know, they do not turn the football over and hurts.

689
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Speaker 4: The running element that hurtsprings both by design within the

690
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: context of their run game and as a scrambler is

691
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Speaker 4: you cannot overlook that.

692
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Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't it strike you when he said, listen, I

693
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: watched every step of Dak and he didn't look the same.

694
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: You go back to last year, Dak had eight picks

695
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: in eight games. So one of the things we liked

696
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: about Dak early. We liked the intangibles. He was a leader,

697
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: and we liked that he you know, he didn't make

698
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: big mistakes. He didn't have a huge upside in tangibles.

699
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Great didn't make a lot of mistakes. Increasingly, Dak is pressing,

700
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Dak is making more mistakes, and you still get that

701
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: lower ceiling than other elite quarterbacks. So that's something to

702
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Speaker 1: think about tonight and why most people like Philadelphia Bigs.

703
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: So I made my NFL Final NFL predictions about thirty

704
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: minutes ago. Let's put him up. Starting with the AFC,

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Speaker 1: I do have two new playoff teams in the AFC,

706
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and the Bengals. I think sneaking is a

707
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: wild card team, and I don't think that's a revelation,

708
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: and I think New England spent so much money in

709
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: coaching upgrades. I think the Patriots are a playoff team.

710
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a great team. And I don't

711
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: think the Bengals are a great team because I don't

712
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: think either roster has enough juice or they don't have

713
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: enough elite players. But I think most of the divisions

714
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: are fairly predictable in the AFC, where you're Josh Allen's

715
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Speaker 1: your Lamar Jackson's your CJ. Strouds, you know your bow

716
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Speaker 1: Nicks or Herbert Mahomes feel like playoff teams. In the NFC,

717
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: I've only got one new playoff team. I just think

718
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: the NFC West is wildcare I think the Seahawks get

719
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Speaker 1: in j Mack believes the easiest bet on the board

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Speaker 1: due to schedule and the greatness of Rock Party is

721
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Speaker 1: San Francisco makes it My only problem And this is

722
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Speaker 1: why I think this division again. I went with Eagles, Packers, Bucks,

723
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Speaker 1: and Rams. I went with the quarterbacks. I think on

724
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Speaker 1: Sunday I get big plays from Commanders would win most divisions.

725
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Speaker 1: They won't beat Philly Jared Goff. I like a lot Seahawks.

726
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: The reason the NFC West is tough because I will

727
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: acknowledge San Francisco's got the easiest schedule and brock perty

728
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: is very much a B plus quarterback a minus on

729
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: certain games. Absolutely, But McCaffrey's coming off injuries, Trent Williams

730
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: coming off injuries, George Kittle's getting older, and they're walking

731
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Speaker 1: in a wide receiver with fingers crossed. So and it

732
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: also hurts their opener. Is that a younger team in

733
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: Seattle on the road And I was talking now, who

734
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Speaker 1: was Oh, oh, it was interesting. This is why I

735
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Speaker 1: like Seattle. In the game, I was vacationing and I had,

736
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days to hang out with

737
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Steve Khime, the former Arizona GM, and we were just,

738
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, just randomly talking about different things. I said,

739
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: what was the toughest place to play in all your

740
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: years in Arizona? And he goes, Seattle is a nightmare.

741
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: He said, It's always windier than you think, it's wetter

742
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: than you think. And he goes, the way they built

743
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: that stadium, it is loud. It is a rough place

744
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: to play. So for years they called you know, they

745
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: call it the twelfth Men in Seattle. So he said,

746
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: the fans, you know, they like their craft beer in Seattle.

747
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: They are liquored up, ready to go, and it's loud.

748
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: So against that's the one game that you and I

749
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Speaker 1: are on opposite sides.

750
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Speaker 4: I leave.

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00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: I like Seattle to hold servant home and beat San Francisco,

752
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and you like the Niners to win comfortably.

753
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Speaker 6: It just I know, Kyle Shanahan has historically owned Seattle.

754
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 6: So they did lose last year twenty to seventeen. Before that,

755
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 6: Shanahan had won sixth straight against the Seahawks. Now, I

756
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 6: know there's been you know, obviously a lot of upheopal there,

757
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 6: but he usually dominates these guys. I love Shanahan, Meil

758
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 6: scheme up stuff. Even with pearce Al and Jennings as

759
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 6: his top two receivers, they would have been three to

760
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 6: four last year in Week one because i Ukandivo would

761
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 6: have been there. I don't have a lot of concern

762
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Speaker 6: for san Fran in the spot. Okay, I forget the

763
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Speaker 6: lines for a second. I'll give you the teams and

764
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 6: just pop the winner. Don't get it, get out of

765
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 6: the line space. Dallas at Philly Eagles, Casey Chargers overseas.

766
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Speaker 6: I would go Casey.

767
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: Giants at Washington.

768
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Speaker 6: So the hesitation, I mean you got you go on

769
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 6: see the Giants. I'll say Washington wins a close one.

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Speaker 5: They won.

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00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 6: I think both games are less than seven. Last year,

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Speaker 6: both were close, and the Giants wood Argue are better

773
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 6: Kart Carter Russell Wilson's in upgrade, right, They're better than

774
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 6: they were last year.

775
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're saying Washington, I'll.

776
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 6: Say Washington in a close one.

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00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: That's a tough one.

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00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 6: Tampa at Atlanta, Atlanta, I'm I'm pop committed to Atlanta.

779
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: Sinci at Cleveland.

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00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 6: Again, the hesitation, I mean, it's tough for me. To

781
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 6: envisit Joe Flacco beating Burrow. I think too many people

782
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 6: are mentioning for those early seasons struggles. So I'll go

783
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: Bengals nineteen seventeen or some crazy score.

784
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Like Okay, seventy nine percent of the fans think the

785
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: bet of the week is Jacksonville. So Carolina at Jacksonville.

786
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got Jaggs, I think comfortably. I think Liam

787
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 6: Cohen is going to surprise you. I know you won't

788
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 6: ever talk Jacksonville early in the show, but I think

789
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 6: Monday you're gonna be like, take a.

790
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 3: Look at Trevor Lawrence and Travis Hunter. I like Jacks

791
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: Steelers at the Jets.

792
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Jets, by the way, if for no other reason, I

793
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: have one of my rules of betting is in a

794
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: low scoring game, take points. This thing has like seventeen thirteen,

795
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: twenty seven? Is the over under on this thing?

796
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 6: Yeah?

797
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: I think it's What is the over under on this time?

798
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: How many?

799
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: I think it's thirty eight or thirty nine?

800
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, So tonight Dak and Jalen Hurts combined preseason staffed zero.

801
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 6: I'm surprised for Dak coming off last year, but Aaron

802
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 6: Rodgers hasn't sniffed the field, and all of a sudden,

803
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 6: Aaron Glenn blitz happy look at his Detroit numbers, blitzed

804
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 6: a ton. If he does that with the Jets, I

805
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: think Roger's gonna be.

806
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: In real trouble. Yeah. I like the Jets. Miami at

807
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: the Colts.

808
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 6: Forty one forty shootout, flip a coin on who wins it.

809
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: I don't you know we haven't mentioned this. Let's just

810
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: stop here, Shane style. I like the Colts roster, we

811
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: don't like quarterback. Is it shocking if the Colts at

812
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: home hold you? I never trust now Miami, I don't

813
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: trust in cold whether it's a dome, would you be shocked?

814
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna honor perhaps Jim or say, it'll

815
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: be very very emotional. Shane Stike in a great offensive

816
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: coach offseason, noisy offseason. Tyreek Hill's not a captain. How

817
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: about this for an upset? I don't know what the

818
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: points speret is now, Prime Bolts are favored, the culture favored.

819
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 6: This feels like the kind of game where the narrative

820
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 6: will be, hey man, how did you lose this game?

821
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 6: He's on the hot seat. McDaniel, They're gonna look at

822
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 6: the firing.

823
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: I didn't.

824
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: I never looked at this game. I don't know what

825
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm getting with either. I didn't even This is a

826
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: game that I never got. Just shot in games I

827
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: just take. I'm not betting him. I don't know enough.

828
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Okay, one more, I'm telling you Houston at

829
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: the Rams.

830
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: So who do you like?

831
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 6: Sidewise in that one?

832
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: I think it's an under.

833
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: I generally take the offensive coach in the opener, but

834
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: I got I got real questions about Stafford and the

835
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: left tackle. If it goes to three and a half,

836
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm taking Texans. HM.

837
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: I listen to your Super Bowl winner.

838
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one of my favorite bets is Texans

839
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Rams under under.

840
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

841
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: I think it's a twenty three to twenty game, low

842
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: scoring game. Jackson's O line has three or four new starters.

843
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: RAMS defensive front is nasty, and I don't trust the

844
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: Rams left tackle. He's good blood clots, hasn't practiced much.

845
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: Great