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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do a live on a Monday edition

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Speaker 2: of Cleveland Browns Daily. Merely bow and joined by the

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Speaker 2: voice the great Jim Donovan here with me in studio.

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Speaker 2: How are you, sir? How are the ponies most? I

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Speaker 2: am good.

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Speaker 3: I was with them earlier this morning. It is a

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Speaker 3: good day to be a horse, and especially our horse

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Speaker 3: at the Donovan Ranch.

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Speaker 2: You get like good dates. Do we get nice? Look good?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 2: How do we look at?

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Speaker 3: No, we have beautiful We have beautiful pastures. I have

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Speaker 3: to say, we have beautiful pastures and so you know,

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Speaker 3: we have beautiful blankets. So I mean they go, oh,

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Speaker 3: they come back in and they're well treated.

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Speaker 2: It's a good day.

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Speaker 3: It's a good they have runouts once they get in. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: A look at JW.

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Speaker 2: Marray out there. It really is out there at the

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Speaker 2: Donovan Ranch. It is great to see you, sir. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is a pretty wild thing in that you have

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Speaker 2: free agency starting officially on Wednesday at four o'clock. Right,

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Speaker 2: But the business is happening, and the business has been

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Speaker 2: happening all weekend. We were involved in some business reportedly.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to put one blanket reportedly out right now.

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Speaker 2: Everything that we are going to talk about is reportedly.

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Speaker 2: You can pretty much use replace this is me. You

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Speaker 2: can replace reportedly and ignore it the rest of the way,

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Speaker 2: because this is what's happening in the league. This is

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Speaker 2: the stuff that's coming from agents, right, and so it's

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Speaker 2: an awkward spot for us, But it's all reportedly. But

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Speaker 2: there aren't many instances where reportedly doesn't end up being

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Speaker 2: factually by Wednesday at four. No, it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Once again, it's the NFL becoming a three hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty five day a year news cycle. I mean, really,

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Speaker 3: they might take a week off. Maybe not, but I

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Speaker 3: mean they might take a week off. But then all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, right after a Super Bowl, which now

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Speaker 3: is in February. I mean, you're in Indianapolis as you

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Speaker 3: and Nathan Wermon, you're down at the combine, and then

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Speaker 3: this date hits and this is when it really gets rolling.

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Speaker 2: And then the next thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, guys are coming in for the offseason conditioning

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing. It is our business. The power of television,

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Speaker 2: something that you've been in most of your life. I

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Speaker 2: was in most of mine. We set the calendar, and

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Speaker 2: the NFL when it launched the NFL network was pretty

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Speaker 2: smart to say, hey, let's find a way to make

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Speaker 2: sure we have some programming here. So these things weren't

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Speaker 2: a big deal. Fifteen years ago. You wouldn't have had

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Speaker 2: this day in March. You wouldn't have had the combine

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Speaker 2: play out the way that the combines played out. But

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Speaker 2: because you have a network to feed, then it's nice

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Speaker 2: if you can have a three sixty five business. And

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Speaker 2: this is the most popular sport in this country by

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Speaker 2: one thousand miles. Its feeder system is now second. College

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Speaker 2: football is now become the second most popular sport in

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Speaker 2: this country. I agree from a rating standpoint, So not

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Speaker 2: only is it the most powerful, but its feeder system

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Speaker 3: Bo I have to tell you back in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: As soon as Loamas would finish.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. Those were days, yeah,

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Speaker 2: have some stuff. Mary Kit does a good job. Tone

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Speaker 2: We could do that, But if you didn't, then it's over.

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Speaker 3: I have another pretty good story that hits home because

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Speaker 3: you know the Columbus market very well.

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Speaker 2: But it involved Chris Spielman.

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Speaker 3: So the Browns were coming into back into the league

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Speaker 2: Obvious son of a gun.

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Speaker 3: The Browns saw that at that point immediately got in

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He had a very short obviously a career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but it was. It meant a great

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Speaker 2: It worked that way in those days. Did he was?

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Speaker 3: So anyway, he came in nineteen ninety nine, he came

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Speaker 2: It was against the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because up until recently, this latest run we've

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Speaker 2: So you still see that a little bit. Look, we've

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Speaker 2: and again all of this is reportedly. Let's I suppose

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Speaker 2: we need to go all the way back to Friday.

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Speaker 2: With the restructure of the contract of Jedrick Wills. He

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Speaker 2: save the brown ten million dollars on the cap. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to the Judy stuff in a second. We're well

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Speaker 2: aware that it's happened, but I wanted to ask you

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Speaker 2: different way. Yeah, so I hope that's a good connection.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, though, they had receivers coming out,

440
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Speaker 3: They've had picks all over the board, but a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Wow, just amazing, amazing talent coming out of there. Those three.

442
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Speaker 3: I think they have some more this year coming out.

443
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Speaker 2: You know.

444
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Speaker 3: That really struggled a little bit because they struggled at

445
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Speaker 3: quarterback early in the year with Milrow in and out

446
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Speaker 3: and then finally in but he ran so effectively. But

447
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Speaker 3: still Isaiah Bond and Burton I think was the other kid.

448
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Speaker 3: They had some really top line receivers that might have

449
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Speaker 3: lost some numbers because of the hesitancy at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If you just take imagine just the receiving draft classes

451
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Speaker 2: of the last ten years at Ohio State, LSU, and Alabama. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 2: those three schools. I mean, that's some of the very

453
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Speaker 2: best in the league. So Jerry Judy is going to

454
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Speaker 2: be here, He's going to get a chance to restart

455
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Speaker 2: his career and he's going to do so with a

456
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Speaker 2: receiving room of I love what you brought up about Coop.

457
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Speaker 2: I think that's huge. Like Amari is such a leader,

458
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Speaker 2: such a follow me guy. He does not big with work,

459
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Speaker 2: but just actions, right, And I think that's gonna be

460
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Speaker 2: huge for Jerry Judy to be in the same room

461
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Speaker 2: with a Mary Cooper uh next year. So that that

462
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Speaker 2: was the big one. We also had this over the

463
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Speaker 2: weekend as well, and there is a lot going on

464
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Speaker 2: in the league right now in terms of guys moving places.

465
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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis is a guy that we had talked about

466
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Speaker 2: last week. He goes to Jacksonville. Is the deal that

467
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Speaker 2: gets done there? So that would tell me Ridley is

468
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Speaker 2: out out? Yeah? Is the way that that'll probably go.

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Speaker 2: That just happening the last couple of minutes. I did

470
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Speaker 2: want to get to this though, this Mary Kay report

471
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Speaker 2: that Joe Flacco could return to the Browns in a

472
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Speaker 2: backup role. This was a report from over the weekend

473
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Speaker 2: that the Browns could be in the in the business

474
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Speaker 2: of Jacoby Brissette if that doesn't happen. So what that

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Speaker 2: tells me is they because of Deshaun's injury, it's too

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Speaker 2: risky to go with with uh with Dorian Thompson, Robinson

477
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Speaker 2: is the full time backup that you need to have somebody,

478
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Speaker 2: and I think we will probably, Yeah, make some sense.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Brisset's gonna end up in New England, though,

480
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Speaker 2: is what it seems like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's where he started. That's his first his

482
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Speaker 3: first stop, and he bailed the mob at it if

483
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Speaker 3: you remember, folks, he bailed them out when Tom Brady

484
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Speaker 3: got the four game suspension because of the flightgate. He

485
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Speaker 3: won a couple of games for them, and then Brady

486
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Speaker 3: came back and he was a good guy. I'm tremendous

487
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Speaker 3: guy here. Yes, at four and seven was the record

488
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Speaker 3: that he had here, not all his fault at all.

489
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Speaker 3: But I would love to see flat gobeck bo. I

490
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Speaker 3: just thought he was fantastic. I loved watching him throw

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Speaker 3: the ball. It was unbelievable watching him throw the ball.

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Speaker 3: And I think he gave them kind of a totally

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Speaker 3: different offense.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just bombs away and down the field, the

496
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Speaker 3: ability to get down the field in one big chunk,

497
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Speaker 3: and they did that a number of times, and I

498
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Speaker 3: think that's I think that's coming back to the league,

499
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Speaker 3: you know. I think these spread offenses and rpo game.

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Speaker 3: I think they're there because of the athleticism of these

501
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks coming out of the college game and into the NFL.

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Speaker 3: But still there are times that when you can just

503
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Speaker 3: get down the field in a hurry and it really

504
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Speaker 3: makes things. It's economy, it's exciting economy, I think, and

505
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Speaker 3: he is that. He's that guy. Yeah, and he was

506
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Speaker 3: just such a great guy here.

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Speaker 2: Spectacular, I mean, face the franchise in a month. It

508
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Speaker 2: was pretty remarkable what all happened. A couple of rules

509
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Speaker 2: for today guys field yates with this on Twitter, teams

510
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Speaker 2: can begin engaging with agents and noon today that's been happening.

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Speaker 2: Deals can be agreed to but not finalized, so no

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Speaker 2: deal can become official until after four o'clock that's on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: which I alluded to off the top of the show,

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Speaker 2: Teams can speak to players who represents themselves without an

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Speaker 2: agent before Wednesday at four pm. Jersey swaps are allowed

516
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Speaker 2: on this so this is the Twitter thing. Who knows

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Speaker 2: that this about so, but players can change their minds,

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Speaker 2: so no swaps are official until Wednesday. A four is

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Speaker 2: it's like jersey number stuff.

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Speaker 4: People do, like jersey swaps where they put like.

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Speaker 2: The Russell Wilson and the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, stuff like that, So you are allowed to do that.

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Speaker 5: But memes can do that even I think so I'll

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Speaker 5: have to dig more into what field seven.

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Speaker 2: Twitter has no laws, so I think anybody who's whatever

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Speaker 2: you want on that. So that's that's where there's Dom's

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Speaker 2: out there, lots going on, lots going on here. Kids.

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Speaker 2: Lots going on, So what was interesting Jim? Last week?

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Speaker 2: We did like and the voice joining me here on

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Speaker 2: the program today. A great privilege were we went through

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Speaker 2: the AFC North. We had Brook Pryor on who does

561
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Speaker 2: a great job at ESPN, and we pressed her on,

562
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Speaker 2: you're really not just gonna have Picket and you're not

563
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Speaker 2: really gonna have picking a Mason Rudolph. She's like, no,

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Speaker 2: that's what they're gonna do. They believe in those guys

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Speaker 2: you trust. And so Nathan at one point said, well,

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Speaker 2: but is that what you would do? He's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that's what I would do? Is that? And

568
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Speaker 2: we concluded the everybody saying, well, we hope, so we

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Speaker 2: hope that they stay with Kenny Pickett and stay with

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Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph because there is a very hard ceiling to that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that was all subt reviews. That is not

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Speaker 2: what they did at all. Now Russell Wilson will be

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Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh Steeler next season. He will do so for

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Speaker 2: the bargain price for about a million bucks because the

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Speaker 2: Broncos are paying him thirty eight. What do you make

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Speaker 2: of Russell Wilson to the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's you know it. I think it's

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Speaker 3: surprising to me how this guy has just kind of

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Speaker 3: fallen apart talent wise on the field. I mean, his

580
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Speaker 3: game really just came apart, which is mysterious. And it

581
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Speaker 3: came apart in Seattle in the last year or so,

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Speaker 3: and then it definitely came apart in Denver, and it

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Speaker 3: certainly it just exploded in a bad way for him

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Speaker 3: when Sean Payton came in there.

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Speaker 2: So I mean he goes into.

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh, I think that he will compete against Pickett will

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Speaker 3: he will have a a mountain of experience over that kid.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the Steelers, I know, the general

589
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Speaker 3: manager at the at the Combine, Omar Cohn, said, we

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Speaker 3: are you know, we have total faith in Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 3: It will be interesting to see how they how they

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Speaker 3: fashioned themselves in training camp, because I would think that

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson could beat him in a competition as the

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Speaker 3: number two guy coming in to try and and knock

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Speaker 3: off a young kid, if only because of experience and

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Speaker 3: that now we have never but we have never played

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson well. We haven't played him a lot, but

598
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Speaker 3: we haven't played him well. I mean, he kind of

599
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Speaker 3: took us apart in Denver this year, and he did

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Speaker 3: anytime he played against the Brons in Seattle. He has

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Speaker 3: had a darn time trying to control him. We never

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Speaker 3: know if he was running or throwing. Sometimes he did both,

603
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Speaker 3: and he did it very effectively. But his game has

604
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Speaker 3: really needs to be put back together. So it will

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Speaker 3: be interesting. He's never sat well, because he's never sat,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's so I don't know how he handle that.

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Speaker 3: But I would imagine he goes in there thinking that

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Speaker 3: he can beat this kid out and be the Steelers

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Speaker 3: starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I would think very much that he's

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Speaker 2: signed under the impression that he is, yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go be the starter. You know. The

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Speaker 2: thing with him that's interesting is he's he's basically become

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Speaker 2: If you wasn't that long ago, it was let Russ

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Speaker 2: Cook right, and he was throwing bombs to everybody. DK

616
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Speaker 2: Metcalf his rookie year and away they went, well, what

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Speaker 2: has happened in the last couple year? He's really become

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Speaker 2: a checkdown Charlie. I mean he is. He led the

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Speaker 2: league in pass attempts within five yards of the line

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Speaker 2: of scrimmage. He led the league in pass attempts behind

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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. So that's kind of who he's become.

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Speaker 2: This is the one part that's interesting though. So they

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Speaker 2: are a playoff team last year at ten and seven,

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Speaker 2: smoking mirrors, but they do it. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: they do it, but they do it. It's nuts that he

626
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Speaker 2: doesn't ever have losing seasons because they don't get so

627
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Speaker 2: last year, Russ was sixty seven percent completions right around

628
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Speaker 2: three thousand yards, twenty six touchdowns, eight picks. So Pickett

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Speaker 2: in his career is a sixty two percent passer. He's

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Speaker 2: basically a one to one touchdown interception. So while Russ isn't.

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Speaker 2: Russ only threw for three thousand yards, so again it's

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Speaker 2: all short yardage stuff. But if a five percent uptick

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Speaker 2: in completion percentage a three to one touchdown interception versus

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Speaker 2: a one to one, you win ten games with Picket.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're banking on, right, Yes, it's right there,

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Speaker 2: that's it, and that's why you sign him. And that's

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Speaker 2: why he went there because he knows he's going to

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Speaker 2: be better than what they got with Picket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're still all about they want their running

640
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: game to be their calling card and they're going to

641
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: play great defense now whether or not they can continue

642
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: to do that, like you and I just mentioned, somehow

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Speaker 3: they do it, and they do they really They look

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Speaker 3: dead around Thanksgiving and then boom they come out. The

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Speaker 3: other thing about Russell Wilson bow is this, I don't

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Speaker 3: know that he's ever been the same quarterback since he

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Speaker 3: threw that pick in the Super Bowl on the goal

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Speaker 3: line against the Patriots. I don't know if that Whull

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Speaker 3: franchise has been the same since that. There was unrest

650
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Speaker 3: in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Because of a call.

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Speaker 3: They doubted Pete Carroll, they doubted Russell Wilson.

653
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes it can have a lingering effect. Oh

654
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: that's the throw. I think that probably it definitely derailed

655
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: what felt like could have been a dynasty because they

656
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: were all very young. They're going to win too in

657
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: a row, right, they are going to win in a row.

658
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: They just whipped the Broncos the year before, right, Yeah,

659
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: like they were in a position where they could have

660
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: won two and then maybe win three and then but.

661
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 3: That had a couple of ten point leads in that

662
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: in that particular Super Bowl against New England. But that

663
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 3: one play, yes, you know, he'll he'll be remembered for that,

664
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: you know, throwing that pick as well Malcolm Butler who

665
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: ended up with a ton of money because he made

666
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: the play.

667
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: Well, and it was interesting if that's the one where

668
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: Bill doesn't take the time out right right, the clock

669
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: just bleeds and you're like, what's he doing. He's just

670
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: gonna lose the super Bowl like this right, Like they're

671
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: not going to make them snap it, They're not gonna

672
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: make them do anything, like we're just gonna lose the

673
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Yeah, and then it all worked because it

674
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't hand the ball to Marshall Lach. That was it.

675
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: It was amazing.

676
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: And there's that great NFL Films documentary Do Your Job,

677
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: I think it's called It's about the Patriots that year.

678
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: Chad Oche's in that extensively in that game in that

679
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: piece and that kid Butler had had trouble with that

680
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: route all week long and their practice, but he had

681
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: seen it a lot, and the preparedness of them to

682
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: be able to get you know, just continue to harp

683
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: on that kid to you know, you're probably going to

684
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: see this and bang he comes up with that play.

685
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: But Russell Wilson, since that throw has always been doubted.

686
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: I think, well for sure, and then then you started

687
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: to get You saw that that was the true break

688
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: of Seattle because it was the defensive guys against Russ

689
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: and Pete Carroll. Then inevitably Pete got sick of him

690
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: and sent him and it ends up being a ransom

691
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: that the Seahawks get back from from the Russell Wilson deal.

692
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: I don't think you can. I think it's impossible not

693
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: to say that Pittsburgh got better with this. They will

694
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: know he's better than what they were. Absolutely, I do

695
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: think that I don't know that this to me, doesn't

696
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: change them in terms of the pecking order in the

697
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: AFC North, in terms of where we stand right now.

698
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: They're not as dangerous as we are. They are not

699
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: as dangerous as Cincinnati is with a healthy borough, and

700
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: they're certainly not as dangerous as Baltimore is with a

701
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: healthy Lamar. But our guys got to come back from

702
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: injury too. Our quarterbacks got to come back from injury.

703
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: So and now this gives them competent quarterback play this division.

704
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be right back to a meet grinder.

705
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh it is for a long time. Yeah, I mean

706
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: it really is.

707
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: It's exceptional, and that's why you would like to see

708
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: them be able to You really need to see Deshana

709
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: Watson play and play a lot, okay, just to get

710
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: a full season in and to be able to play,

711
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: because we are left with that memory of that amazing

712
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: second half against Baltimore fourteen for fourteen and to win

713
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: there and really beat Lamar Jackson at his own game.

714
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: But it's just been short nippets with him, it really

715
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: for one reason or another.

716
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what That's what makes made like the

717
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: Flacco run so magical as you stacked a month. Yeah,

718
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: you know it was four games over three hundred yards

719
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: like it was, oh okay, like let's go, and so

720
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: we need to see that from Deshaun going forward there,

721
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: so that happens in Pittsburgh. Perhaps some disconnect in disconnect

722
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati t Higgins requesting a trade this morning. The

723
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: tag was placed on him last week.

724
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty one million, isn't it done?

725
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: The tag?

726
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: I think that I think they'll play hardball, knowing the

727
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: way they do things down there. So that's going to

728
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: be an unhappy situation. If it lingers and he doesn't

729
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: show up, you know that that really is a problem.

730
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: I don't think the quarterback would be very happy with

731
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: that sometimes and in regards to him, it seems as

732
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: though they kind of lean on him to tell them

733
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: what he wants, much like Mahomes in Kansas City.

734
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: What do you want? Who do you want? And I

735
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: would think that he would make Yeah, he loves Higgins,

736
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: you know.

737
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: And when they had all three boyd chasing Higgins, they

738
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: were really rolling. That was when they made the Super

739
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: Bowl run and almost did it another year. But I

740
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: think that they will dig in. I think that's going

741
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: to be nasty. I think you have the right rate

742
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: on that. My friend know he got Mike Brown works

743
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: a little bit. That's the way Mike Brown is. That's

744
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: his operation. Now here's the thing they've been in this position.

745
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make too big of a deal

746
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: about him demanding a trade now, because this is kind

747
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: of the standard operating procedure of when you get tagged

748
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: and you want a long term extension, is right, you

749
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: demand a trade. That does not mean that he's going

750
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: to be traded. Remember they tagged Jesse Bates. Jesse Bates

751
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: did not demand a trade, but he also didn't show

752
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: up for camp. He ended up playing out his contract

753
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 3: and then walking in free agency to Atlanta. Another example

754
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: this was Jonah Williams, who.

755
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: Did demand a trade. He did demand a trade. They

756
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: never traded him. He ended up playing out his contract

757
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: and that was fine. This is the thing for them

758
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: that will be fascinating. It's the point you made. It's

759
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: the Burrow point. So Burrow said when he got that

760
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: deal done, I want Himhiggins and Chase. I want to

761
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: make sure that we do this in a way that

762
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: those got that we're all here. But the reality is

763
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: you can't have fifty percent of your cap on two

764
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: receivers and a quarterback. True, So if they do move

765
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: off of him, I think the thing down there that

766
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: they're hoping for is something similar. Now, you're not going

767
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: to land a type of player, but kind of the

768
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: blueprint of the Stefan Diggs move from Minnesota when Minnesota

769
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: dealt him to Buffalo for a first round pick that

770
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: netted them justin Jefferson. Now, are you're not going to

771
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: probably get that light. Don't think you're going to get back.

772
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: But you may get a low first round pick or

773
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: a high two for Higgins, and that might be what

774
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: they do. The question is can you keep number nine

775
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: happy if you do that?

776
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: You know the other thing about them, bo is I

777
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 3: give them a lot of credit. I think Duke Tobin

778
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: does a great job down there, and I think they

779
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: find receivers. I'm going to kill the pronunciation of that kid,

780
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 3: but they found that kid from Princeton last year. Yep,

781
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: and Yoshiva said something like that that Andrea Yoshiva, Yeah,

782
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: I was just gonna look up the pronunciation. Anyway, I

783
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 3: cracked there, you go, good job, you know, I remember

784
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: practicing it like a hundred times. And then he didn't

785
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: get in the game on an opening day, but he

786
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: did in the last game. But they find guys like

787
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: that down there, you know, but not to that level.

788
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, they find a complimentary type of receiver. They

789
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: do such a great job offensively with that roster down there.

790
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: But but I but you're right, and and that will

791
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: get ugly. I mean if he if that guy digs in,

792
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: that will get ugly down there. And maybe Joe Burrow

793
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: will step in and be kind of a mediator in

794
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: the whole process.

795
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: His You asked the people down there, they they're The

796
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: year that they circled was last year, because that that

797
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: was before Higgins had to be tagged. They got to

798
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: do this Chase deal at some point. Now he wants

799
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: to wait till after justin Jefferson, but they got to

800
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: do the Chase deal at some point. They did the

801
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: Burrow deal. But last year was their year. Burrow goes down,

802
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: Higgins misses games, and it's done and the season's derailed.

803
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: Well, it really all fell apart that that first or

804
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 3: second day of camp when you know, he went down

805
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: with that calf injury, and let's face it, he was

806
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: a shadow of himself on opening day here in Cleveland.

807
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: I mean, and then that defense just went after him

808
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: and it was it was awful. I mean, he they

809
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: had to get him out. Remember, they pulled him out

810
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 3: because it was so like I think they said, there's

811
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: no way we're going to score against these guys, and

812
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: he probably shouldn't have played anyway. No, I think he

813
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: talked himself and talked them into playing.

814
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: But they were up. They were swimming upstream all year long.

815
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: And yet I thought they were going to get there

816
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: when they won that Monday night game against Jacksonville. Yeah,

817
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: it's the game where Lawrence got the high ankle and

818
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: then came in here the next week. But when they

819
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: won that game, I said to myself, they are rolling

820
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: and they could be a problem.

821
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: Yes, if they get there. Yeah, so you think about it.

822
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: He got hurt again and then he went down again,

823
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: and they actually were okay, Like Browning played okay for

824
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: them too. Down this he played pretty good when he

825
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: came in the kids at a great shot out of Washington.

826
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: He did a nice job. So this is all all

827
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: the reason all of this is happening. And then, by

828
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: the way, some people had mentioned maybe Christian Wilkins being

829
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: a target for the Browns at defensive tackles he signs

830
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. Do you have the number on that up? No,

831
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: it's huge.

832
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe five years, one hundred and ten million dollars.

833
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: What's the guaranteed I can find that, give me one,

834
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: that's the one that's But I always thought he'd be

835
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: too rich, Like you're not in the business for one

836
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar defensive tackle eighty four and eighty four guaranteed.

837
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, my good, good lord, did he I have to

838
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: tell you he probably was helped a great deal by

839
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: the Chris Jones deal getting done in Kansas City, right

840
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: because then they could, you know, take him off the list.

841
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: Not that a lot of teams probably thought he's going

842
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: to become available, but they were playing the game that

843
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: they you know, he was going to go to free agency.

844
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: But Wilkins definitely helped by that, you know, really helped

845
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: by Jones signing that big deal in Kansas City. You know,

846
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: the Browns did a great job last year, a great

847
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: job putting that defensive line together without really breaking the

848
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: back in under NFL standards.

849
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: Okay, but I thought they did a great, great job.

850
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: You know, Zadarius Smith, Tomlinson bo before he got hurt,

851
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: Maurice Hurst gave them some great play. Shelby Harris played

852
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: pretty well for them. I mean, those guys all came

853
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: in and really did a good job for them. I

854
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: commend the Brons for being able to do that because

855
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: it was doing it a different way rather than going

856
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: out and giving me a guy eighty four million guaranteed,

857
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: right for sure.

858
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: And here's the deal. When you have Miles, you don't

859
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: need to spend another eighty anywhere else. Like you've got

860
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: Miles there. You got Dalvin Thomlinson back, He's coming back

861
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: next year. He's in the mix. You can butcherss guys

862
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: around him. You saw something with Obo. I think Alex

863
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: right down the end of the year. Was it Allan's

864
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: good point finally shined. It looked good. And I do

865
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: think they liked Zidarias back.

866
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens with Ika, you know, Siaki Eka,

867
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: you know what happens there. Disappointed those guys really, you know,

868
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: because the provinces were in contention.

869
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: It made the playoffs.

870
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: Those guys will really get a red shirt year, you know,

871
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: on this team. We'll see what happens there.

872
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: And I think probably I think AB is probably big

873
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: game hunting still right now out there. They probably aren't

874
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: they by the acquisition of Jerry Judy, they probably feel

875
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: pretty good about where they are with the weapons. But

876
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: there's there's a bunch of like Eric Armstead hit free agency.

877
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: There's talk that the Chargers may dump Khalil Mack and

878
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Joey Bosa if they because of the salary cap hill

879
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: they're in. So there are going to be a lot

880
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: of teams and guys who become available who aren't not yet.

881
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: And I do think you'll see Andrew Berry get be

882
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: pretty aggressive here and be in the mix on guys.

883
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: There's a report this morning of being in on Zach Moss,

884
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: the receiver, the running back out of the Colts, potentially

885
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: coming in here as well. So I think there's a

886
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: lot still to unpack here. But in the AFC North,

887
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: this stuff is happening. The t Higgins stuff is happening.

888
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: He's demanded a trade and it is Russell Wilson is

889
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: going to come quarterback the It'sburgh Steelers next year. Meantime,

890
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, it's going to be an exodus because they

891
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: got salary cap hell everywhere and they're gonna have an

892
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: entirely new roster basically going forward. But they still got

893
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: Lamar and they still got some of They got Matta

894
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: Bouquet done over the weekend, so that helps them and

895
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: all of us are chasing Kansas City. So that kind

896
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: of sets the table of where you are in the

897
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: EFC North. Let's set the table for the rest of

898
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: the NFL through this wild first forty eight hours. Oh

899
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: where will.

900
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: Where will OBJ get his eighteen million?

901
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: This year? He gets it every year, He's gonna get

902
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: it somewhere.

903
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: He will get it somewhere. I mean, he keeps showing that.

904
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: Here's my real the one handed catch on Sunday night

905
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: against I think it was against the Cowboys. Yeah, he

906
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: makes it and people go, oh, my gosh, so great.

907
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: Let's put him in our.

908
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: Uniform and see if he can do that again.

909
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: But he ends up with eighteen million all the time.

910
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: Free time. That was one of those ones, and it

911
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: was signed. We went really really yeah, sure, sure that's

912
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: gonna work out. All right, We'll go around the rest

913
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: of the NFL. A lot of deals being done here.

914
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: The Bears very aggressive and free agency, and their defensive

915
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: end off the board with Minnesota. We're waiting on Cousins.

916
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: It feels like that could be Atlanta. We'll get to

917
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: all of that coming up next. You listen to Cleveland

918
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: Browns Daily on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

919
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,120
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920
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Speaker 1: live in Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

921
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Speaker 2: And don't miss Billy Joe Rod Stewarts together for the

922
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: first time ever. It's Friday, September thirteenth, Cleveland Brown Stadium.

923
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Speaker 2: Tickets are on sale now. Visit Cleveland brown Stadium dot

924
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Speaker 2: com slash Billy and Rod twenty twenty four for more information.

925
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: It's Billy, Joel and Rod Stewart together for one night only.

926
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to that. I feel like it's gonna be good.

927
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: I am gonna I have seen Rod Stewart a couple

928
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: of times, and.

929
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: He's spent Fanta. He's fantasy.

930
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: You think I would know more Rod Stewart than I think, Yes,

931
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: because I went that way now. I have not seen

932
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Billy Joel and I missed him when he had a

933
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: Progressive Field the one year not too long ago. So

934
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a great night. I'm very excited.

935
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: I think I think my hunches I would know more

936
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: of both of those guys than I think.

937
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: I think you'd be surprised that you'll know a lot

938
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: of Rod Stewart.

939
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to a Mellon Camp show once fifteen

940
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: years ago, and I didn't think, I know much more

941
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: beyond Jack, Jack and Diane, and then I ended up

942
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: doing like twenty five so there.

943
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh.

944
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

945
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: You know we used to listen to the radio all

946
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: the time for the music, you know, Jim was you know,

947
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: you didn't have this situation where everything was on demand.

948
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: You didn't say play this by this like they just

949
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: played something next, not always knowing what it was. And

950
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: so these things not going well. I think that's going

951
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: to be a fun night. That will be. Yeah, we

952
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: got the Stones here this summer. Yeah, you got them both. Wow,

953
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: that's big. All right, lots of news. We mentioned the

954
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: news around the end of the AFC North our former

955
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: quarterback Baker Mayfield getting a three year deal wow in

956
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay for him, very good for him. Fifty million

957
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: of that is guaranteed of a three year deal worth

958
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: around one hundred very similar to the Gino Smith deal

959
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: that he got with Seattle a couple of years ago.

960
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: So he if you look at the quarterback slotting, I

961
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: mean he's kind of middle of the road to get

962
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: that deal. Yeah, I mean, you know he's in the

963
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: thirty million dollar range, right, I mean, not on average

964
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: and there you go.

965
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: There you have it.

966
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: It will be fascinating to see how that all works out,

967
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: if that is an everlasting fit for him.

968
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, my hunches, they're not viewing it that way. I'm

969
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: guessing they're viewing it as Mike Evans is coming back.

970
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Let's go try to win. It's a bad division. Let's

971
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: try to win this division a couple of years. You

972
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: you know that down there about that fan base, it's

973
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: it's pretty fickle. Sure, it's not like a pier like

974
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: where they're going to show up no matter what, like

975
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: as much college. Yeah. Yes.

976
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: The other thing, now, that will become a tougher division

977
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: if Kirk Cousins goes to Atlanta.

978
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: That's the next part of it will be that. It's

979
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: pretty amazing though, Like how you remember everybody like blown

980
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: away at the Mahomes deal, the ten years, forty four

981
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: hundred million, Like, oh my god, forty million a year.

982
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: They won't be able to do any Yeah, not now

983
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: that that was in forty for Mahomes and already for Baker,

984
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: You're like, my god, Malmes is worth one hundred on

985
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: a on a true free market. But but that deal

986
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: does get done, and so he will be back at

987
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: least for they have an out after two years, but

988
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: a three year deal for him, And I will give

989
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: him a great deal of credit for for many things

990
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: you could have pecked in that, you could have just

991
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: packed it in. I mean he played, he was, goes

992
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: to Carolina. It's a mess. Mess. Yeah, they cut him,

993
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: release him, goes to the Rams to back up that

994
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: one big game and Michael's on the call. He was

995
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: there to have money on it. He was there like

996
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: he had to. He had to.

997
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: He has like four days, maybe maybe two days. He

998
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: got ready and he went in and won the game

999
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: he did with the Rams.

1000
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that parlaid into he was fighting for

1001
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: the job last year in Tampa. He had kind of

1002
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: a tip. He basically had a mirror season of his

1003
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: first season of Kevin's first season here, I would agree, yeah,

1004
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: pretty much. I mean it was sixty four percent completions

1005
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: and uh twenty six touchdowns, eight picks, that type of thing.

1006
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: He was.

1007
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: He was terrific against the Eagles in the playoff was one.

1008
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: I thought he was very good. Against Detroit. He was okay,

1009
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: they just didn't get it into the end zone a

1010
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: couple of times early in that game and settled for

1011
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: field goals instead. Now his offensive coordinator is gone. Yeah,

1012
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: he ended up as the head coach in Carolina, so

1013
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens there. I just always think of

1014
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: him as a guy that can blow up.

1015
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: He can blow up both ways, right, Oh yeah, Yeah,

1016
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: there's a volatility to his play.

1017
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's what drives him. I will

1018
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: tell you this, bo I thought when he went to

1019
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: Carolina and it didn't work out there, I said, he

1020
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: will be on college game day and he'll.

1021
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: Be he will be exceptional. Yes, you know.

1022
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: I saw him this year the day of the Oklahoma

1023
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: Texas game. They you know, the Red River rivalry, and

1024
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: he was tremendous. But when when it didn't work out

1025
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: in Carolina, I thought, he's going to use the Heisman

1026
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: Trophy and he's going to get to ESPN. He'll be

1027
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: on game day. So look, nick, I didn't see Saban

1028
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: going there. I saw Baker right there.

1029
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, certainly felt like that. Yeah, it would go.

1030
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you. He was a natural ah for that.

1031
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: And he will be when he when he wants to

1032
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: do it.

1033
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, there's no question. But good on him. He

1034
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: gets a bunch of money there, so he will. He

1035
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: wasn't that good that we We still have kind of

1036
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: a good feeling about him. I do, I do too,

1037
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: I think I do.

1038
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: I thought he resurrected us, you know, from that losing

1039
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: syndrome that we were in the one and thirty one,

1040
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: and just that first night that he came in and

1041
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: off the bench and Tyrod Taylor went down. He came in,

1042
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: He electrified that place. Finally, that place had not been

1043
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: it had been you know, dormant for a couple of years,

1044
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: and just that what he did, he finally got that

1045
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: losing syndrome and flushed it out of here.

1046
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought it was the biggest change in

1047
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: the feeling of a stadium that I can ever recall,

1048
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: because until he went in, it wasn't that. It wasn't

1049
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: that this was anger, the vitriol in the fan base

1050
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: in that stadium that night against the Jet because you're

1051
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: gonna lose again. There's fourteen, there's fourteen, fourteen. Nothing. It

1052
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: wasn't going well with Tyrod, and it was like not

1053
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: no more of this, Like it was a fed up building.

1054
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: And then he came in and it both flipped.

1055
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that and not only fourteen nothing bo, but

1056
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: Isaiah Crowell had done damage as a jests.

1057
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: Right, there's that part of it as well.

1058
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: But going into that, going into that game, I remember

1059
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: the town feeling they if they don't win this one,

1060
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: that's it.

1061
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: When will they win? Well, we started to look out

1062
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: on the calendar. I mean, you're playing lose, lose exactly.

1063
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're right. So that's the feeling I have

1064
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: about him. I just you know, I have a good

1065
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: feeling about him.

1066
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: And he was damn good in twenty twenty in the

1067
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: COVID year. Oh yeah, he's very good. In the COVID year.

1068
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: He went quarterback to win over in Pittsburgh and they

1069
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: get the turnovers early, but was very good there.

1070
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: And he also engineered the win against Pittsburgh here to

1071
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: get them.

1072
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: In that's right. Yeah, yeah, so he I have good

1073
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: feelings about him too. It's it was one of those

1074
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: things where you know, they why were things done the

1075
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 2: way that they were done? And I think the reason

1076
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: they were done is because you were chasing. You're trying

1077
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: to chase something bigger. Yeah, and there was a ceiling

1078
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know, and you're trying to chase down Mahomes,

1079
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: you're chasing down Burrow.

1080
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: Here's another reason, and it's kind of a personal reason

1081
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: why I have a good feeling about him. Doug Deacon's

1082
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: last game was against the Bengals, and he was wrapping

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00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: up an unbelievable amount of time with the Browns, like

1084
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: forty five to fifty years of his life, you know,

1085
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: with the Browns. Anyway, they had a little get together

1086
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 3: with his family right after the game in a suite

1087
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 3: that they had that day. And now remember Baker didn't

1088
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: play in that game, okay, because he had had the

1089
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: he had he had the shoulder, and I'll be a

1090
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 3: son of a gun. All of a sudden, walking through

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00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: the door, Baker Mayfield and his wife they came in

1092
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 3: to we're stug the best, and you know what, I

1093
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: just thought that was great.

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00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: That's big class. It was.

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00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was, and it was very very heartfelt.

1096
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 3: And he got a boot out of, you know, going

1097
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 3: into the locker room and talking with them a couple

1098
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 3: of times. But anyway, I really thought that was really

1099
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 3: a cool moment with him. So I wish him, well, yeah, same,

1100
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: that's that is very very cool. We have some other

1101
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: some other things Michael Pittman Junior and the Colts have

1102
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 3: agreed to a three year seventy one and a half.

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00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: Those receivers started to come off the board pretty quickly.

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00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: Did they did? Yeah? Did? Yeah? They really did. Jonathan

1105
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: Greener and he goes to the Vikings. You mentioned the

1106
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: Cousins thing. So I'm very curious what Minnesota is doing

1107
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: because they're spending in spots like this, but it looks

1108
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: like they're going to start over a quarterback. Who is

1109
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback going to be there? Nobody is right now,

1110
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: right nobody? So are they trying to find a way

1111
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: to move up in the draft? I think I think

1112
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: they'll be a really interesting team to watch here over

1113
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: the next day. DeAndre Swift signing with the Bears on

1114
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: a three year twenty four I love that for Caleb

1115
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: Williams going forward. Another weapon for the Bears in that situation.

1116
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: So those are some of the things that have happened

1117
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: around the league today. We've reportedly made one of our

1118
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 2: big moves the Jerry Judy acquisition. Over the weekend. My hunt.

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00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: There will be even more coming here in the next

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours or so. We'll keep you posted on

1121
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: all of that. In the second hour of the program.

1122
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: Have a little bit of over under as well, coming

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Speaker 2: it up over over the next hour as well. We

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Speaker 2: continue with the great voice of the Cleveland Browns, a

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Speaker 2: great Jim Donovan. You'll listen to Cleveland Browns Daily on

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Speaker 2: a fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by Bally bed now

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Speaker 1: live in Ohio on eight to fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: H Right. Welcome back into Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 2: bo Bishop, the great voice of the Cleveland Browns, Great

1133
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: Jim Donovan joining me. We have the Jerry Judy News

1134
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: over the weekend. So fifth and a six Judy comes

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00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: in from your vantage point wishless wise, how much of

1136
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: a wish does this satisfy? And then what else needs

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00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: to happen for ab.

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00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: It was my first wish and it really was that

1139
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: they would have to get a receiver, and I really

1140
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: thought Pick fifty four would be the way that they

1141
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: would do it. I thought the combination might be early

1142
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: on when free agency started, and maybe this will pan out,

1143
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: they would get a defensive tackle in free agency and

1144
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: then go in the draft, which is pretty rich with

1145
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: wide receiver talent, and even though they don't have the

1146
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: first round pick, there would still be enough talent available

1147
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: at number fifty four that they would go that route.

1148
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 3: So receiver was the top of the list, and then

1149
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 3: you know Jerry Judy is coming, and so that really

1150
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: answers that need. I still think along the defensive line,

1151
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: the Schwartz defensive line is so important with that front

1152
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: four because it really all happens there and everybody makes

1153
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: plays off of what they do. That I think that's

1154
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: the next thing they have to address. I always thought

1155
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: still that maybe linebacker was something that they need. You

1156
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: get kind of a two for one when you go

1157
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: get a linebacker a lot of times, because you get

1158
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: the player and he's playing on your defense, but then

1159
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: you also get probably you know, Bubba vent Trum would

1160
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: be happy. You get a guy that can help out

1161
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 3: on special teams. Matthew Adams was that kind of signing

1162
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: by the Browns. Not a big signing at all, but

1163
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: a very useful one when he was healthy that he

1164
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: could go in in a pinch, playing in your defense

1165
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: that linebacker, but was outstanding and needed on special teams,

1166
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: So I thought that. But definitely, I think I think

1167
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get a running back too. We

1168
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 3: just don't know what the availability will be with Nick

1169
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: Chubb at the beginning of the season. That's a real push,

1170
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: I think, And I know he's doing everything in his

1171
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: power to be ready to go by opening day, probably

1172
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 3: by the opening a training cap. No Nick by next week,

1173
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: yeah bye bye, ready to go then. But I would

1174
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 3: think that's a big ask right now. So you're gonna

1175
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: have to really perk up that running back situation. I

1176
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: would think those are the things that I would be

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00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: looking at.

1178
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're onto it, and I think I

1179
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: think Judy satisfies part of it. Depth on in the

1180
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: middle of the defensive line, Now, some of those guys

1181
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: could come back, like Marie Arce come come back. You

1182
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: could see some of those guys coming back on the

1183
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: defensive line. The question I think will be interesting will

1184
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: be are there any guys on this roster that potentially

1185
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: are traded to We have such depth at corner, for example,

1186
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: we have such depth on the offensive line, for example,

1187
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: will there be trades that are done between now and

1188
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: the draft once once we start to get into the

1189
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: real league year.

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00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Greg Newsom's name has been out there.

1191
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: Sure boy. I think he would be devastated if he

1192
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: got tried. I think he really.

1193
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: Loves it here and I think he felt as the

1194
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: year went on last year, and it's not just the

1195
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: interception thing that he was dry on that until he

1196
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: got that pick in Baltimore and then he had played

1197
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: very well against Jacksonville. But I think that you're right.

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00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: I mean, he would be a candidate. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: if that's if you're looking at a trade situation and

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00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: where the Browns are kind of heavy, I think they're

1201
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: very very good at corner Mjay Emerson. I think they're

1202
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: pretty happy with the kid from Northwestern cam Mitchell played well,

1203
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: and I think they look at upside there and of

1204
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: course you got Denzel Ward and and he's great. That

1205
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: would be one area bo that you could probably take

1206
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: a look at.

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Speaker 1: That.

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00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: Let me just go back to the wide receiver.

1209
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: And that is you're probably gonna have to get a

1210
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: young receiver though, because you have a bunch of guys

1211
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 3: that I know they're good for coming in this year.

1212
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: But beyond that, what are they gonna do? You know,

1213
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: is Elijah More going to be long term here?

1214
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1215
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: Cooper's probably not long term here. So you're gonna have

1216
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: to start to develop your own receivers now, whether that

1217
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: is David Bell and Tillman, that's a pretty long road

1218
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: I think right now. Are I think that you know,

1219
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: you probably have to use what the draft is good at,

1220
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: and the draft right now is really good at wide receiver.

1221
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: This year, I wouldn't be surprised if they went again

1222
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 3: got a young receiver to come in here.

1223
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: Do you remember? And I know that you do, but

1224
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 2: just for the sake of posterity in the audience's sake.

1225
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers when Ron Wolf was running them

1226
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: with Mike Holmgrin and they drafted every time was his rule.

1227
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: That was the rule. You always get a quarterback.

1228
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: Thus you were able to deal Mark Brunell and get

1229
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: get something. Yes, I think Hasselback.

1230
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did it over and over again. Holmgren took

1231
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: him with him to Seattle, the kid who was with

1232
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: them from LSU that ended up signing with Seattle as well. Yeah,

1233
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: they d yeah, yeah, beat the Buckeyes. But that was

1234
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: that was down in the in the Sugar Bowls at

1235
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: that game. But the the attitude of I think that's

1236
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: I get. The reason I brought it up is that's

1237
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: where we have to be with receiver now in this

1238
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: league and this this operation needs to be. You need

1239
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: to draft one every year and hope you hit hit

1240
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: and and eventually the law of averages you will. But

1241
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: they need to hit on on some of those guys.

1242
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: But one time I did a game, UH for NBC

1243
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: in Green Bay when they uh it was when Lindy

1244
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: and Fonte had gone into had left Cleveland and became

1245
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: the head coach of the Packers, and they got a

1246
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 3: good run and we're on their way to make the

1247
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: play because they had Don Mkowski the magic Man, and

1248
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: I was doing a game against Kansas City and they

1249
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: ended up losing at lambeau Field and it cost them

1250
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: the playoff spot. But that that right after that, that's

1251
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: when they started to connect on the on the quarterbacks.

1252
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was Sterling. Sharperter been on that team.

1253
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: He was very very good on those those Packer teams.

1254
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,479
Speaker 2: And then that led to Holmgren and boom, the rest

1255
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: was history. You know, we're into free agency at the

1256
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: Packers thing spurned this in my memory. What do you

1257
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: remember of the Reggie White I remember it very well

1258
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: free agency because he was the true free agent free agent.

1259
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: He went on a tour. And that's what they used

1260
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: to do, where the player would go on a tour.

1261
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: Now that I don't even think. They come really normally

1262
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: and they let their agent do it and they get

1263
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: a money figure and then they sign it or they

1264
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: don't sign it. But back then, I mean, they used

1265
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: to really set a tour. He and he did the

1266
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 3: tour with his wife, Okay, and he came to he

1267
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: came to Cleveland, and arn't Modell threw everything more than

1268
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: he had bo But he threw everything at Reggie White,

1269
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: and they thought they had him. Okay, couldn't believe, you know,

1270
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: just said it was we're gonna have Reggie White. The

1271
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: announcement will be coming very soon, so it gets set.

1272
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: You could be at press conference tomorrow at three. And

1273
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: he he thought the thing that put them over the

1274
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: finish line in Modell's mind, he bought leather coats for

1275
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: Reggie White and his wife and presented them to him.

1276
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: Really, that was gonna be the ceilings.

1277
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody came up with anything better than this dinner

1278
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: and a leather jacket for your wife and for you. Well,

1279
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: he took the leather jackets and signed in green Bay.

1280
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: People were shocked that he would go to green Bay

1281
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: because at that time green Bay was not really good,

1282
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 3: although he made them good and made them great. And

1283
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: the other thing there was there was a thought out

1284
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: there that the Africa American athlete did not want to

1285
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: go and play in green Bay. You know, weather small town,

1286
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: very small town. But I do remember the browns and

1287
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 3: art model. He was devastated when he didn't get them.

1288
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: Then of course he went on the Andre rise and

1289
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: search after that that was the same had to go.

1290
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: To a bank to get a loan to be able

1291
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: to sign him.

1292
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 3: And that's really that, that signing and that transaction that

1293
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: was when it was clear Light had to sell the team.

1294
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: You know, they were he was broke, He's done in

1295
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: that unbelievable. He was broke, and he had a passionate

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00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: fan base, you know in that old, that old rickety

1297
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: stadium that was putting seventy eight thousand in there on

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00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 3: a Sunday afternoon. But he you know, he just had

1299
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: no pension for being able to control his money. So

1300
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 3: those were two free agent stories. One that he didn't get,

1301
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: but he ended up buying two beautiful leathery coats, great coats,

1302
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: which was perfect.

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01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: For a what for green Bay or green Bay weather?

1304
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: Do they have browns inscribed jacket? No, they were just

1305
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: really like beautiful leather jackets. I remember seeing them. Yeah,

1306
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: great story, that is Yeah, that is quite great. The

1307
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: league is slightly different now, little bit that you know,

1308
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: you speak about how that like Reggie went on the

1309
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 2: tour and I'll never there was a Sports Illustrated cover

1310
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: with him in the front of it, and then a

1311
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: bunch of jerseys around, and the Browns were one of

1312
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: the jerseys, and the Eagles and the Packers. I can

1313
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: forget who else was in the mix. Might have been Washington,

1314
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but I remember that vividly. And I

1315
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: and to kind of bring that whole full circle when

1316
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 2: you said about going on the tour, remember when Urban

1317
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: got the job in Jacksonville, he thought free agents would

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: come in and he could recruit them. Yeah, and they

1319
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: had to be like oh no, no, no no, And he's like, well,

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: what do you mean they'd sign? And they don't come

1321
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: and visit us, like, yeah, yeah, they'd agree to terms

1322
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: without visiting. Yeah, it's the NFL. That's the way that

1323
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: it is. That's how much it's changed in thirty years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously he had great difficulty in converting into the

1325
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: pro game. But you know who else did I have

1326
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: to tell you? Butch Davis had a lot of trouble

1327
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: doing that. We used to do a show with him

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Speaker 3: on Monday nights. People might remember it. Just down the

1329
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Speaker 3: street here, there was a steakhouse called Damon's. Yeah okay,

1330
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: And we used to do the show there live Monday nights.

1331
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: And when he would come in, he would the thing

1332
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: that bugged him the most, Bow was number one. He

1333
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: was watching his Miami Hurricanes just roll over people on Saturdays,

1334
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: and then his Browns team get rolled over on Sunday.

1335
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: But by Monday.

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01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: He would always say he could never understand why do

1337
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: I Why can't I only dress a certain amount of players? Jimmy,

1338
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 3: why can I only address certain amount of players on Sunday?

1339
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean we have them all under contract.

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01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: I mean shoot, at a home game at the Orange Bowl,

1341
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: we could run out just spending as we had uniforms

1342
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: for and he just couldn't not Yeah, he couldn't convert

1343
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: from the college game.

1344
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: Did he have you know? For the for the people

1345
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: out there who don't recall the younger audience, he had

1346
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: resurrected Miami the second time, So Jimmy Howard and Jimmy

1347
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: did it. Dennis Erickson then it fell off a cliff,

1348
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: and then he got it and resurrected it, and then

1349
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: he set the table for I think the most talented

1350
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: college football team of all time in the in the

1351
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: early two thousands with Miami. Did he ever have regret

1352
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: or the checks cashed and he's good?

1353
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: Because I think I think I think the checks cashed

1354
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: and he was he was good with it. I think

1355
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: that the the difficult thing for him was that he

1356
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: couldn't get the Miami players here when he wanted.

1357
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: To get them. In the draft.

1358
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: He ended up getting Winslow, of course, but the guy

1359
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: he really wanted that year, he wanted Sean Taylor and

1360
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 3: Shon Taylor was gone then to Washington, and then he

1361
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: took Winslow. But when he saw people like Dan Morgan

1362
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: and the big offensive Mount McKinley, remember big left tackle,

1363
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: when he when he saw those players going off the

1364
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: board and he couldn't get them and recruit them. Okay,

1365
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: he he just couldn't get over that, you know. That

1366
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: was the That was the unfairness he thought of the NFL.

1367
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: I mean, these players loved me. Can't I just get them?

1368
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Speaker 2: You know? Well, there's a pecking runner. That's the way. Yeah,

1369
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: that's why it goes. Yeah maybe, yeah, one of them didn't.

1370
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing was, didn't they took William Green?

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01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: And because Portis was on the board, wasn't he He

1372
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: was in that draft, so they could have taken Portis

1373
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: I pick. I think William Green went like sixteenth or seventeenth.

1374
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: Porters was a second round pick, I believe, remember, and

1375
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: he was a stud. Yeah yeah, so no, that was

1376
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: always urban thing. He's like, I knew you knew it

1377
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 2: was going to be a miss right away because it's like,

1378
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: I wait a second, I can't buy my own groceries.

1379
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: It's the old Bill Parcells. Yeah, in college football you

1380
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: can buy your own groceries. If you can recruit it,

1381
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: you can get who you want.

1382
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 3: You could trace Butch Davis's drafting record, because I mean

1383
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: Pete Garcia was here, but basically Butch was you know.

1384
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 3: I mean he was hand picked to come from Miami

1385
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: with Butch. So anyway you could trace what Butch Butch

1386
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: was going to.

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Speaker 2: Do in the draft.

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01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 3: Either he tried to get one of his players from

1389
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: Miami or he got a player that he recruited that

1390
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 3: didn't go to Miami but competed against him. And it

1391
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 3: was you never really if you took a look at

1392
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: the biography, he would always.

1393
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: Say Boston College, William Green. It was Jeff Faine at

1394
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. What was Jeff's second choice? Miami Miami? Yeah,

1395
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: and his kids he knew.

1396
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, McCown's brother, the quarterback Luke oh Luke. Yeah, yeah,

1397
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: he drafted him because he had a heck of a

1398
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 3: game against him when he was at Miami. Was he

1399
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: had louisianat tack? Yeah, yeah, I believe so. And that

1400
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: was his pattern. Bow was unbelievable watching Gerard Warren. He

1401
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: recruited Gerard Warren, thought he had him. He ended up

1402
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: being a Gator. He went to Florida. But that was

1403
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 3: that was the way he did. It could have had

1404
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: Richard Seymour, that's right, you know, the.

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: Georgia Yeah, yeah, oh gosh, yeah. The crazy thing is

1406
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: if he could have I used to do a thing

1407
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: around here, like in the early twenty ten's, like if

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01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: the Browns just took best available Buckeye a lot of

1409
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: those years, they would have been gold. Yeah. He could

1410
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: have just taken best available Hurricane, Oh absolutely, and they

1411
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: would have been gold because those teams were just stacked.

1412
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: Remember that would drive Browns fans crazy that they would

1413
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: not select Buck guy played.

1414
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: Right right well and the ones that they did, yeah,

1415
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean like Rubisky was fine, but he was I

1416
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: know the point he wasn't a second run.

1417
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 3: But it's not the kid that you saw, no, you

1418
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 3: know in the Jim Tressel Troy Smith offense with Gonzales

1419
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: and all those players.

1420
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: He just didn't have that separation. Yeah, the way that

1421
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: the way that some of those others guys did all right,

1422
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: free agency is upon us. We'll go over some of

1423
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: the very latest news, some of the news from over

1424
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 2: the weekend as well. We'll get your set on where

1425
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: we are some quarterbacks. I want to get into that

1426
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousin situation because it speaking of Buckeyes, justin fields

1427
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: appears to be going nowhere at the moment, and I

1428
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: think you're almost like, Yes, it's like the game, like

1429
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: the game where you get up and you run around

1430
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: and he's gotta have a seat. Yeah, that used to

1431
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: play as a kid. Yeah, there might not be any

1432
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: seats for Justin Fields. We get to that coming up next.

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Speaker 2: STM to reserve your spot. Today, we did have a

1442
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: little bit of quarterback news. We mentioned the Baker deal.

1443
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: Three years, one hundred million dollar deal in Tampa. Fifty

1444
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: million of that guaranteed for our former quarterback. There was

1445
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: a trade over the weekend of another first round pick

1446
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: the Patriots and Jaguars. Finally is a deal. It's gonna

1447
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: send Mac Jones to Jacksonville for a sixth round pick.

1448
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: He was a first round pick three years ago. Yeah,

1449
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: and his first his first year. I mean, he won

1450
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: the national title for Alabama.

1451
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 2: Is that against Ohio Stake, Yeah, yeah, in the in

1452
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: the COVID COVID twenty Yeah. Yeah, So he won that.

1453
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: He came in his rookie year and they made the playoffs.

1454
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: Now he stuttered late in the year and they got

1455
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: murdered in the playoff game in Buffalo. Then after that

1456
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: it got really funky there and there was a real

1457
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: disconnect between Bill Belichick and him. And then remember what

1458
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: they did offensively when Josh McDaniels left. They had the

1459
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: two defensive guys. Patricia became the off right and Joe

1460
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 3: Judge and the kid really got followed up then. And

1461
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 3: then this year was just a disaster all the way through. Yes,

1462
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: and he wasn't playing at the end of the year.

1463
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: So but I thought maybe if Belichick, with Belichick leaving,

1464
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: he might get a second chance with Gerrod Mayo as

1465
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 3: the head coach. And of course our guy going in,

1466
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: Alex Van Pelte is the offensive coordinator. So I don't know,

1467
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: they have to draft a quarterback now.

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01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think, and I you know, it makes

1469
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: you think like the I saw over the weekend that

1470
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: maybe Brissette would go there and they'll draft a quarterback

1471
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: at two. Yeah, I forget it. Are they picking two

1472
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: in Washington? Three? Or is it inverted? New England is three? Right,

1473
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: so it'll go. It'll go Caleb Williams and then Washington

1474
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 2: will pick who they want in the New England'll pick third.

1475
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 3: Now, back there in New England, there's like a heavy

1476
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 3: push to get a quarterback, a veteran quarterback, and draft

1477
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Jr.

1478
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: So that's something that I said. I proposed this to

1479
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: Ze last week once we started, and we'll get to

1480
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 2: Cousins in a second. But once it appeared that Atlanta

1481
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: was not going Cousins way, and we figured that out

1482
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 2: at the combine that that wasn't the way that they

1483
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: were going to go. So once that started to happen,

1484
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 2: I said, boy, if you're New England and you're not,

1485
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: am I sure about Jaden Daniels? I don't know? Am

1486
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: I sure about Drake May? I don't know? Like am I?

1487
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: What happens if you give up? Now? Maybe now it's

1488
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: a fourth round pick for justin fields. You bring in

1489
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: Fields and then you draft Harrison three. Now you got

1490
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: Fields at quarterback, Harrison at receiver. That's a pretty big

1491
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: injection of talent right right away. Yeah, and you know,

1492
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: fields can play. It's not like you can't play. Like

1493
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: he's a different type of quarterback obviously, But I think

1494
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: AVP could work with him and he makes it. He

1495
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 2: can throw the deep ball, and he certainly is very

1496
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: dangerous with his legs. But I don't know is that

1497
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: something that would pass the test there.

1498
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 3: Well, I know that that there's there's been a great

1499
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 3: feeling back there of hey, let's get let's get this guy,

1500
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison junior.

1501
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: Gosh.

1502
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 3: I mean, who wouldn't want him, right? I mean, he

1503
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 3: is just ready made. He is ready to play right away.

1504
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 3: He's the NFL ready But I don't this move over

1505
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 3: the weekend. The mac Jones situation, I mean leaves them

1506
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: they are really empty at quarterback. I mean Bailey ZAPPI yeah,

1507
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: you know. I mean they had cut him at the

1508
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 3: start of the season and then brought him back on

1509
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 3: the practice squad, and then at the end of the

1510
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 3: year he was playing when they lost in Germany. They

1511
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 3: played that Germany game and they just Mac Jones was terrible.

1512
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: They brought Zappy and he threw a horrible pick right

1513
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 3: at the end of the game. And you know, their

1514
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 3: quarterback situation was.

1515
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: Just dismal, isn't it something quickly they I know, I

1516
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: mean they come off of quarterbacks, Jim. Yeah. Used to

1517
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: be if you're a first round pick, you got three

1518
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: to four years to figure it out. Sure, I mean,

1519
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: now like Fields, Mac Mariota, so many of these guys don't.

1520
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 2: There's so many guys Rosen Donald, Donald Wilson with the Jets.

1521
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: Sure's there's a half dozen off the top of the

1522
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: head without any sort of giving it much thought that

1523
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: did not not only didn't get to a second contract,

1524
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: didn't get to a fifth year option, and were jettisoned.

1525
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 2: They are this league. They were making quick decisions on

1526
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 2: if a guy can play or not.

1527
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 3: Well, the other thing is both that they don't wait

1528
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: anymore to play a kid typically. I mean, I mean,

1529
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: remember the plan here was that Mayfield was gonna sit

1530
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 3: that entire year, Taylor was gonna play, Baker was gonna

1531
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 3: kind of watch it, and then you know, you could

1532
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 3: see that you had to get Mayfield in and get

1533
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 3: them to play. But I mean the sitting around now,

1534
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 3: it doesn't happen. Now you have to You need instant,

1535
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: instant intelligence and performance from these kids commanded quarterback, and

1536
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: they need to go right away and you're right, then

1537
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: the decision is made pretty quickly. If it's gonna go badly.

1538
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 2: Well, look at these two kids we're talking about, whether

1539
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: it be mac. I mean, that's a pretty bad spot

1540
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 2: he's put in there. They don't have a lot of weapons,

1541
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, two defensive guys calling his plays in

1542
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: year two after McDaniel's left fields has had three different

1543
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 2: offenses in his early career with the Bears. They had

1544
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: next to no weapons.

1545
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 3: And the worst game plan I have ever seen in

1546
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 3: his first start here with Matt Naggy, which was shocking

1547
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 3: because Matt Naggy right out of the Kansas City system

1548
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 3: and offense.

1549
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: I could I've said this before in the show, so

1550
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: I'm not reinventing the wheel with this. It almost felt

1551
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: like it was proving a point, like Naggie was proving

1552
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: a point, like you're gonna make me play this kid?

1553
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: You watch what's that's what? It almost felt like. It

1554
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: felt like malfeasance, like that he was putting him out

1555
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: there to fail because you with what he is to

1556
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: make him stand in there and just get bludgeoned by

1557
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: Miles over and over and over again. Like four and

1558
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: a half times. It was awful. Yeah, like eight or

1559
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: nine times in the game. Yeah, it just was hit constantly.

1560
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: But here's the reality on Justin Fields. And while maybe

1561
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: that part of it is all true, it also could

1562
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: be true that I was dead wrong about this. I

1563
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: thought that there would be a decent market for him.

1564
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: I did too. It appears to me, Jim that if

1565
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: he starts next year, the only other place other than

1566
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 2: the and we'll get to Cousins in a second, the

1567
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: only place I can I went through the whole league,

1568
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,879
Speaker 2: the only place I can think of is the Raiders.

1569
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: There's not another spot out there. You start going through

1570
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: the divisions. If New England is going to go young

1571
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: and like a Brissette type, which it feels like, that's

1572
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 2: kind of where they're going to go, there's nothing in

1573
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 2: the NFC East. The AFC North is full, the AFC

1574
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: South is full, the AFC West it's Raiders. I don't

1575
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: he's not a fit for Sean Payton with Denver. No,

1576
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: that's not what he wants. So the Raiders are out

1577
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: there in the NFC, Washington seems intent on taking a quarterback.

1578
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: There's nobody else in the East. They're all locked in.

1579
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: I assume Dan Jones stays in the Giants the NFC South. Now,

1580
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: if Cousins goes to Atlanta, which it looks like that's

1581
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: gonna happen, Baker's back in Tampa. There will be a

1582
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: job in Minnesota, but Chicago's not going to trade him

1583
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: in within the the division, right, so there's nothing there.

1584
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: And then the NFC West, all those teams are locked up, right,

1585
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: So is it possible that he's not going to start

1586
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: next year? Kind of seems like that's where're headed.

1587
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I have to tell you that he is

1588
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: captivating though I watched him even against US late in

1589
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: the year. Anything you know that was a he gave

1590
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 3: the Browns fits that day, and especially you know that

1591
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 3: last play when he's running around he's eaving it down

1592
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 3: into the end zone. But his I think that I

1593
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: just look at him in that athleticism that he has,

1594
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: he got a great arm, and I think he's you know,

1595
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 3: he's just been beaten up. That is a case where

1596
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: where there's a lot of change. It really hurts a

1597
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 3: kid like that. You know, they just get beaten up,

1598
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: and they get beaten up mentally and then that overtakes

1599
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 3: what they can do physically.

1600
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, they just lose it all. It's such ada.

1601
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: It's probably something similar. It's funny. I was just having

1602
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: this conversation about Tim Couch over the weekend as an

1603
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: example of a guy who who knows what happened, Like,

1604
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: just do the swap and say he goes to Philly

1605
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: and plays with those Andy Reid teams and McNabb is

1606
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 2: here and McNabb endures everything that Couch endured early on

1607
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 2: in his career here, and Couch got to play in

1608
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: Philly with Andy Reid in that offense and an established unit.

1609
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: You were here for that. Oh, it was unbelievable. Bludgeon.

1610
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 3: He never should have gone in as quickly as they

1611
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 3: put him in. The plan was that ty Deppmanah was

1612
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: going to quarterback them. Deptbur had a rough opening game

1613
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 3: against Pittsburgh and Couch finished the game.

1614
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: But I mean it was forty three nothing.

1615
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: And they went to Tennessee the next week bow and

1616
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 3: they put him in there and it was you know,

1617
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jim Schwartz was there at that point,

1618
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: but that Tennessee defense, Javon Curse was there. I mean

1619
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: they were loaded. I mean, I mean eventually went to

1620
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: a super Bowl and he just got killed in that

1621
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 3: first game. And then it just kept happening, you know,

1622
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: and then there were times that he was brilliant.

1623
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 2: I mean, Couch could be great.

1624
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: He went over to Hinz Field and won on a

1625
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,480
Speaker 3: Sunday night over there and was just tremendous.

1626
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: He looked like, you know, he was great.

1627
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he was phenomenal, but he just physically mentally

1628
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 3: just got beaten up. I mean the worst time was

1629
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 3: one time, I think it was against the Ravens. It

1630
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 3: was a night game, Monday night game probably, and he

1631
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 3: got knocked out of the game with a concussion and

1632
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 3: there was kind of a cheer when he was leaving,

1633
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 3: and he broke down in the locker room, you know,

1634
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 3: in front of the media after the game about you know,

1635
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: how he was being treated. And that was watching a

1636
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 3: kid just come on glued. It was too bad. Yeah,

1637
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 3: you're right though, that's a good thought. If he had

1638
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 3: gone to Philadelphia, Yeah, you know happened there.

1639
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 2: You have that infrastructure you put you got your draft

1640
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: guy first overall. And I wasn't here at that time obviously,

1641
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: but just the notion of you're an expansion team, you

1642
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: draft this. I mean, if the Lord was creating the

1643
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: perfect looking quarterback, it's Tim Couch, right. He's coming from

1644
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 2: the Southern School, Kentucky, King of Kentucky, all of those things.

1645
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: He comes in here, he looks the part. You have

1646
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 2: an expansion team, you're trying to have some excitement because

1647
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 2: there's a business to this, and that's the other thing

1648
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: that happens. That's what happened to Justin in Chicago. That

1649
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 2: happened to David Carr in Houston when they drafted him

1650
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: number one overall. And you get in and you're forced

1651
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: to play, and then you just get bludgeoned. And I

1652
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 2: always give Baker a lot of credit for this because

1653
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 2: he didn't get broken by because this is a lot

1654
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 2: he was dealt earlier. The team was much better, but

1655
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: he was dealt with a lot. And if you can

1656
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: survive it, I think that'll be the test for a

1657
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: guy like Fields. Can you survive all of the things

1658
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: that went wrong early in your career to get through

1659
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: to the other side, because oftentimes they can't. You know

1660
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: they can't do it. We do have what looks to

1661
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 2: be official here now, well not official, but it's getting close.

1662
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: A cousin's going to get a four year deal in Atlanta. Wow, boy,

1663
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. He has made.

1664
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: A boatload of money, hasn't he. And he's used it.

1665
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 3: He's used the tag very well. I mean he's taken

1666
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 3: you know, and ended up with a high salary on that.

1667
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 3: But I have to tell you, for a guy that

1668
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 3: has never really been in a big game nor won

1669
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 3: a big game, he commands a great deal of money.

1670
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 3: Why do you think that is?

1671
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 2: I think because.

1672
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 3: I mean, can you remember other than when he when

1673
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 3: he ended up kind of RG three got hurt, and

1674
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 3: he got the Redskins into the playoffs, and you know,

1675
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: he played very well, but then they got knocked right

1676
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 3: out after that.

1677
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: No, I think that was all hatched here on a

1678
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: Sunday here. Yeah.

1679
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 3: RG three got hurt.

1680
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know.

1681
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he hurt his knee. And the Browns were kind

1682
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: of semi in it, and Washington definitely was in it

1683
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 3: over on the NFC side, and it was Mike Shanahan,

1684
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan, and they brought and they played him. We

1685
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 3: found out Sunday morning that RG three wasn't going to play,

1686
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: kind of like the Watson deal against Baltimore this year.

1687
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 3: So Cousins goes out and bo They run a bootleg

1688
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 3: rollout that he kept throwing to the tight end. They

1689
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 3: must have run it twenty five times, and twenty five

1690
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 3: times it was complete and went for big plays and

1691
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 3: the Browns could not stop it. They just could not

1692
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 3: stop it. And he ended up winning that game. And

1693
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 3: I kind of launched him a little bit.

1694
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: Here's my theory. I'm Cousins. That's amazing. This is my

1695
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: theory on it. I think there are so many of

1696
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: the you mentioned the Shanahans. There are so many those

1697
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 2: coaches in the league. We got one here, yes, we do.

1698
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: And what they want is for you to throw it

1699
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: to the guy who was open. Simple. Yeah, that seems

1700
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 2: so simple. It does, but it's schemed. There's a play

1701
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: that is set up, that has schemed and if they

1702
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: want you to throw it exactly where they want you

1703
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: to throw it, they don't want improvisational. That's why. And

1704
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: Purdy's far more than this. But that's why Kyle likes

1705
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 2: Brock Purdy more than he was ever gonna like Trey Lance.

1706
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: It's why he probably liked, really considered Mac Jones in

1707
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: the draft more than he ever would have considered justin fields,

1708
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: because what he wants is your back is to You

1709
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: need to trust me, so that creates trust. Right, you're

1710
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: gonna turn your back to the defense. This is going

1711
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: to look exactly like the last sixteen wide zone runs.

1712
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: And now you're gonna keep it. You're gonna whip your

1713
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: head around. There's gonna be a guy open here, and

1714
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: I need you to throw it. And I think Cousins

1715
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: does that, and I think that's why this has happened,

1716
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: is it's the Shanahan tree. It's Minnesota. Minnesota's running that

1717
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: now with O'Connell, like it's the same type of stuff.

1718
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna run that down in Atlanta. In fact, when

1719
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: we were at the comment, I was talking to Chris

1720
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 2: Rose after Z left and Chris and I were talking

1721
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 2: and I said, doesn't Fields feel like Atlanta? That feels

1722
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 2: like the spot like Z and I have been talking

1723
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: about for two years, like goes back to Georgia, like

1724
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 2: all that young talent, like you thrive his home state.

1725
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: And he said, no, who's the offensive coordinator Robinson Zach

1726
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: came in under Sean McVay. What is Sean mcvay's favorite

1727
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: person he's ever had a quarterback? Matt Stafford. Why he

1728
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 2: throws it where it's supposed to be thrown. And he's accurate.

1729
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: And that's what Cousins is. Yeah, he's really accurate.

1730
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's really amazing the good coaches, like you

1731
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: were mentioning there, they get their quarterbacks to an automatic,

1732
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 3: good start with an automatic play. When Kevin k had

1733
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 3: Mayfield here, it was always a slant to Landry yep,

1734
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 3: right away, right, Okay, get it going, Okay.

1735
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 2: This year it.

1736
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 3: Was you know, no matter who it was, Watson or

1737
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 3: any of the five, right, any of the five that

1738
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: ended up playing Flack oh, the same way. It would

1739
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: be a quick it would be a six yard throw

1740
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 3: to win djoku, to get you into a nice second

1741
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 3: down three four. And Shanahan was brilliant at that. And

1742
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: you know, Brian Horrier had a great year that year

1743
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,799
Speaker 3: with Shanahan here, and it was because of the running

1744
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: game set up, just wide open throws, yes and there it.

1745
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 2: Is no, it's it, it's it. So for what what

1746
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: he does in Atlanta, what Cousins does in Atlanta is

1747
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 2: to me, he makes them the best team in the

1748
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: NFC South. They'll win. That's an organization that is starving

1749
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: for any sort of success. We're so close, right Yeah.

1750
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: And and Arthur Blank is striving for thriving for just

1751
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: starving for any type of success. They've got a ton

1752
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 2: of talent everywhere else, really good young defense, incredible weaponry.

1753
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: And now you have a guy who will throw it

1754
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: where it's supposed to go. He's going to plead seventy

1755
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: percent of his passes, you know where you go, there

1756
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 2: you go. Yeah. So to me, this make now I

1757
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: don't know what our guy quasi Adolfo Mens is going

1758
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: to do in Minnesota now I know. Yeah. So I

1759
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: don't know who's even the quarterbacks on their roster.

1760
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1761
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 3: They had a kid from BYU who they played at

1762
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 3: the end of the year.

1763
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: That's right.

1764
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know they I can't remember how that

1765
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 3: he played it. No, it didn't go well. He played

1766
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 3: against Green Bay I remember on a Sunday night game

1767
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 3: and he got the start. It was after the whole

1768
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 3: Dobbs okay situation.

1769
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because Josh played well over there. Yeah, And

1770
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: and who's the uh Nick Mullins was over there?

1771
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, I was just I think

1772
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: he was at b Way whoever that year was? Am

1773
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 3: I right that he was at Bway?

1774
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he had a terrible Sunday night came. Yeah

1775
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 2: he did that was not particularly good for him. Kirk

1776
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: Cousins thirty six. Wow, he got a four year deal.

1777
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: Who knows what's guaranteed of it, but it's a four

1778
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: year deal.

1779
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 3: Is great guy, though, isn't he? I mean it, it's

1780
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 3: like a really terrific guy. I know he did that

1781
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 3: in in in Minnesota. They really there was a huge

1782
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 3: contingent of people that really liked him as teammates liked him.

1783
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: I know that he and Justin Jefferson would disagree, But

1784
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: that happens with a big time well and then it

1785
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 3: happened in Pittsburgh for sure. It happened in Buffalo, you know,

1786
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 3: with Stefan Diggs. I I would think press to answer

1787
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 3: the question correctly, Kevin would probably say that Diggs did

1788
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 3: the same thing when he was in Minnesota, right, yeah, yeah.

1789
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: For sure, and it happens, It happens. I think the

1790
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 2: bigger thing for Minnesota going for is Justin Jefferson needs

1791
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: a contract, right, he's due. If you're Justin Jefferson, are

1792
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: you signing a contract in Minnesota not knowing who's throwing

1793
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: you at the football? See, that's the big thing. So

1794
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 2: like you the feeling I got last week at the

1795
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: combine was that they would that they wanted to bring

1796
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: him back, bring Cousins back, because they've got other they

1797
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: got other mouths to feed and they got these young guys.

1798
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 2: And KOs even said like he's like he's a blue chip,

1799
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 2: like in Jefferson, Like you can't we can't be like

1800
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: a feeder system for everybody else, you know, And so

1801
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: like if he doesn't know who's throwing it to him, isn't.

1802
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 3: A funny boat note whether it's a guide looking for

1803
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 3: a coaching job in the NFL or now any player

1804
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: in the NFL when they look at teams, who's the

1805
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 3: quarterback there?

1806
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right?

1807
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to be a coach going

1808
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 3: into a situation, that's why people you know, said, going

1809
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 3: into Carolina right now with Bryce Young there, you don't know, right,

1810
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: you know, you really don't know. But if you go

1811
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 3: into it with a team that has a well, first

1812
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: of all, maybe it's the job isn't open. If the

1813
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 3: quarterback's really good for a hash coach, yeah, you'd have

1814
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 3: to really screw it up, right, But usually that's a

1815
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: player will definitely look yes, and certainly a receiver who's

1816
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 3: going to be throwing.

1817
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: It to me. Kirk Cousins career earnings two hundred and

1818
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: thirty one million dollars. Yeah, that's pretty good. We had

1819
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: some interesting news on the stadium side of things over

1820
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: in Chicago. Want to get to that story coming up next.

1821
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,880
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1822
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1831
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,799
Speaker 2: saw this over the weekend out of Chicago. A major

1832
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 2: shift in the Bear so they had bought I want

1833
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: to say it's a former Arlington Heights race track in

1834
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: Arlington in the suburbs, like three hundred and sixty four acres. Yeah,

1835
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 2: and then there's some tax issues that hit them, and

1836
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 2: that the realities of that, and they were kind of

1837
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: being scrambling, but they were moving out of downtown Chicago.

1838
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: Huge shift over the weekend. Many people reporting this, among

1839
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 2: them are Friend of the Program Crony Cronin that the

1840
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,520
Speaker 2: Bear's plan to build a new stadium while remaining in Chicago.

1841
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: The franchise is going to pay two billion dollars of

1842
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: their money to help fund a publicly owned stadium, domed stadium.

1843
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,799
Speaker 2: First time they've done that. So it's south of Soldier Field.

1844
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 2: I've been too Chicago handful of times. Is that like

1845
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 2: on the way towards like the museums, Jimmy, do you

1846
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 2: have a better hand on at the well?

1847
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 3: The museums are right there with soldiers. They're all right there,

1848
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 3: I mean right, So it's almost like it's almost like

1849
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: the Science Center and I got call here.

1850
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Okay, it's that close. Okay, so that's but it's got

1851
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: to be right in that area somewhere Grant Park area.

1852
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: I would say that I would think I would Again,

1853
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: I don't know the geography. I apologize folks don't know

1854
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 2: Chicago geography that well. But they are going to play

1855
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 2: continue out in Soldier Field until this gets built, and

1856
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 2: then they will tear down the spaceship they built inside

1857
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 2: of old Soldier Field. That is the worst. How did

1858
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 2: they get that so wrong? I have no idea a

1859
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 2: city for its architecture.

1860
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 3: Do you realize the radio booth you cannot see the

1861
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: ball in the air because the deck comes down over

1862
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 3: the over the front of the overhang. Yeah, the overhang.

1863
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 3: So they put a television screen on on the on

1864
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 3: the facade of the overhang and someone there's a punt

1865
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 3: or a field goal or anything like that, you can't

1866
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 3: see it, you don't know, or or a high arching pass.

1867
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: It's it was amazing.

1868
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 3: But spaceship is the right way to identify that that

1869
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: was a historic I mean they maintain the those pillars,

1870
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:58,839
Speaker 3: but barely.

1871
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, because they yeah, I haven't.

1872
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 3: They sold And then they inserted this really stadium, like

1873
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 3: you said, kind of this dish like spacecraft in inside

1874
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 3: of it.

1875
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: It was just a bizarre.

1876
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 3: Way to do it such a choice, and they kept saying, well,

1877
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 3: we preserve the history. No, you really didn't really other

1878
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 3: than I feel like I'm on an episode of the jetson.

1879
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: That was it. Yeah, they really botched it. The thing

1880
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: that's is amazing, though, is like Chicago has never This

1881
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 2: isn't you know, one of the major cities in the

1882
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:33,759
Speaker 2: United States. Obviously, with a dome, they're gonna get Super Bowls,

1883
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna get Final Forms, they're gonna get Big Ten

1884
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: Championship football games, they're gonna get college football playoff games.

1885
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: They're gonna get WrestleManias like all of the things that

1886
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Chicago hasn't been able to do because they haven't had

1887
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: a venue. Right now, you're back in business, baby, and

1888
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 2: get all those things. Yeah, I mean they've been playing.

1889
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: You think about the Big Ten Football championship game in

1890
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Indy for all these years. That's going to move up

1891
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: to Chicago. Sometimes. They're at least going to rotate that around.

1892
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll go West a little bit too. They

1893
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: played in the Rose Bowl or Vegas a little bit.

1894
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 2: But they're gonna do.

1895
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 3: You're right, you're you're talking Final Four, you're talking you know,

1896
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:06,799
Speaker 3: all kinds of events.

1897
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: Chicago's never had any of that, no, So.

1898
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 3: And it'd be a fun time to go to for

1899
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl too, for sure.

1900
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 2: Coco's a great time. It's an awesome city. And you

1901
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: you now you have now you're going to build a

1902
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: dome there. So we've had two new stadiums. Now this

1903
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 2: one's not announced in that way. This is basically just

1904
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 2: a shift back to city. But you have the Buffalo

1905
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: Stadium that's being done, and that's not going to have

1906
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 2: a dome, and there's a ton of public money in

1907
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 2: that one, but they're not going to go a dome

1908
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. Minnesota did a dome and it's spectacular, tremendous.

1909
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 2: That's the best. Oh what a beautiful place? Is that

1910
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 2: your favorite of the new places? Absolutely? Yeah. The day

1911
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: we went in there and they won and it was

1912
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 2: great too.

1913
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 3: But I mean, aside from that, I mean that I

1914
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: just couldn't believe where we were. It was fantastic because

1915
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 3: my first job in radio was in Saint Cloud, Minnesota, Okay,

1916
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 3: ninety miles outside of the Twin Cities, and I used

1917
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 3: to go to the met sure, the old stadium.

1918
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: With Metrodome, with the no the outdoor play. Yeah, I

1919
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: don't have a point on that.

1920
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 3: I had Metrodome, unbelievable where but Grant would show up

1921
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 3: just before the game and you say, gosh, he's the

1922
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 3: head coach of the Vikings.

1923
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: What's he doing. He was out duck hunting on a

1924
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 2: Sunday morning. Of course. It was amazing. That's what a life.

1925
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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Still, the coldest I've ever been in the

1926
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Speaker 2: football game was Ohio State in twenty fourteen, played up

1927
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Speaker 2: at Minnesota Outdoors and their new one. Yeah, they have

1928
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Speaker 2: the yes, and it was fourteen below AIRTEP. That's the coldest.

1929
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Speaker 2: But you guys, there was one that one at Christmas.

1930
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Speaker 3: Oh that Christmas Eve game against the Saints that was brutal.

1931
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Speaker 3: And it was a Thursday night game against Pittsburgh that

1932
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Speaker 3: Josh Cribs ended up single handedly winning for the Brons

1933
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Speaker 3: and that was bitter cold.

1934
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there's no fun in it. Kids. We'll get

1935
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Speaker 2: your grift back to the day and so much more

1936
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Speaker 2: to come. You listen to Cleveland Runs Daily on eight

1937
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Speaker 2: fifty ESP and Cleveland.

1938
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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily Front to you by Balley bed Now

1939
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Speaker 1: Live in Ohio on eight to fifty esp and Cleveland.

1940
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Speaker 2: All right, give me the griff, give me the griff.

1941
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Speaker 2: What do we got.

1942
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Speaker 5: Draymond Green has made more three pointers in his career

1943
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Speaker 5: than Larry Birds in two hundred and fifty three less games.

1944
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Speaker 2: People can't wrap their head around the fact that they

1945
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Speaker 2: didn't shoot threes in those days. Yeah, that's right.

1946
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Speaker 5: They tried to go to the rem Yeah, it went

1947
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Speaker 5: crazy when we were looking at that. Like, we think

1948
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Speaker 5: of Bird as such a good shooter. He was didn't

1949
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Speaker 5: take that many.

1950
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Speaker 2: That's ZL shoot him. It is. It's funny. I just

1951
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Speaker 2: popped up on one of my social channels ten years

1952
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Speaker 2: ago today. I was at the Big Ten Championship game

1953
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Speaker 2: in Indy. Yeah, and it was Ohio State basketball against

1954
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Speaker 2: Michigan State and Draymond Green. Wow. So it's interesting that

1955
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Speaker 2: you guys had that as your grift back to the day.

1956
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Speaker 2: This has been a great pleasure, sir, Hey enjoy, I

1957
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Speaker 2: had a ball that's two hours that whipped by. Was

1958
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Speaker 2: fly Buddy always does when you're here. The great voice

1959
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Speaker 2: Jim Donovan, Thank you, sir, Thank you. The next level

1960
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Speaker 2: is coming up next. Thanks for listening. But hey, Clevean

1961
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Speaker 2: Round Daily eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1962
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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production of

1963
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