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Speaker 1: Hey, gay on normally the show with normalish takes for

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Speaker 1: when the news gets weird. I am Mary Catherine Ham and.

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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markowitz. H'm Mary Catherine. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am doing all right? I mean it's just like

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Speaker 1: the Race to Christmas. So this morning I have the

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Speaker 1: training session for the toddlers to not touch the tree.

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Speaker 1: How's that gonna go? Not well? Not well is the

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Speaker 1: answer training session. I mean last year we had like

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Speaker 1: There was a baby playpen and they couldn't climb it.

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Speaker 1: But this year we're just out of luck.

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Speaker 2: So you're like, this is what touching the tree is?

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Speaker 2: This is what not touching the tree?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just a small tree. So if it falls,

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Speaker 1: it falls. Yeah. If he dies, he dies. As they

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Speaker 1: rocky for the best one, obviously, how are you guy?

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Speaker 2: I was rooting for the American just so everyone there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, it's good that you say that. You know

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Speaker 1: your commenters your reply guys might have some issues. It's Carol,

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Speaker 1: how's it going for you? Good?

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Speaker 2: I'm in la I do not recommend. I love this

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Speaker 2: crazy place in a lot of ways. The food here

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Speaker 2: but it's just an inconvenient place to be. And I

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Speaker 2: guess I never knew that until I live somewhere convenient,

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Speaker 2: like after living in Florida, I just expecting to function.

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Speaker 2: They don't function here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's a you were hardened by

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Speaker 1: when you go to La and it's warm and inconvenience,

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Speaker 1: it's better. But now you have warm and convenient in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Really nailed it there, That's exactly what it is. I'm

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Speaker 1: the Southern State's got a lot of things right during COVID,

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Speaker 1: how right they got them. The House released its oversight

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Speaker 1: to it. It is a five hundred plus page report.

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Speaker 1: I will admit I have not read the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: know Carol has some too, cribbing from someone on Twitter

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Speaker 1: Over two hundred billion in relief funds lost to fraud

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen likely originated from a lab related incident in

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Speaker 1: has concluded that prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates caused severe harm,

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Speaker 1: economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss while

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Speaker 1: lacking robust scientific support. There are many more. What are

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Speaker 1: some of your low lights, Carol?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm so bitter about what went down in New York,

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Speaker 2: We just can't give in. We can't give in because, look,

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Speaker 2: So I like that. I think that that's where you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think I think you're right. I'm comfortable with

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get some unnamed sources talking to us about

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Speaker 2: that column in The Times. Mister Biden is sliding toward

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Speaker 2: the end of his presidency in lackluster fashion. He has

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Speaker 2: largely seated the stage to mister Trump, who was already

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Speaker 2: conducting his own foreign policy without waiting to take office

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Speaker 2: and building a wish list, or his administration stocked with

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Speaker 2: once fringe figures content on dismantling the very departments they

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Speaker 2: are being assigned to run. Love that withdrawing from the fray.

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Speaker 2: Mister Biden maintains a light public schedule and has not

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Speaker 2: held a news conference or given an interview since the election. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: light schedule. I feel like we've mentioned that once or twice.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it wasn't just his schedule that

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Speaker 1: was light. Kamala Harris's schedule on the trail was light.

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Speaker 1: She took days and days off to prepare for events,

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Speaker 1: to prepare for debates or even just campaign events or

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Speaker 1: the DNC. They had a really truncated schedule and yet

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Speaker 1: she was taken days off and that never seen this

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Speaker 1: bizarre to me, and it again makes me wonder about

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Speaker 1: both of.

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Speaker 2: The right exactly. But the New York Times now discovering

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Speaker 2: his light schedule, you know, what do they want us

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Speaker 2: to do with that. We're not supposed to mock that,

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Speaker 2: because I feel very much mocking that.

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Speaker 1: I think the right has.

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Speaker 2: Been talking about this for years, years and years of

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Speaker 2: Biden at the beach, Biden not doing press conferences, Biden

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Speaker 2: not doing interviews, Kamala not doing interviews, Kamala not doing

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Speaker 2: press conferences, Kamala's absenteeism. She took six days in Hawaii

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Speaker 2: after the election was over. I can't get away for sixties.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: But she's also really dedicated podcast. She's also really dedicated

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Speaker 1: to getting the hostages home, and in addition to being

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Speaker 1: in Hawaii for six stays. I mean, that was the story, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, I'm her pitch to voters was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: so dedicated to the border, to getting hostages home. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that I'm working tirelessly. But it turns out she wasn't

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Speaker 1: even at the time working tirelessly and is now definitely

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Speaker 1: not right.

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Speaker 2: So now she's fully not working tirelessly. Whatever the opposite

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Speaker 2: of that would.

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Speaker 1: Be yes, people can see what's happening. Just since we're

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Speaker 1: on the Biden subject, can I throw in a little

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Speaker 1: funny story about Anna Navarro, who is of course a

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Speaker 1: big Biden booster member of the View cast. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember that brief moment where the View was like, maybe

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Speaker 1: we need some Trump supporters. There was like a one

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Speaker 1: news story, by the way, yesterday they had on Abby

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Speaker 1: Huntsman and Rachel Lindsay, the Bachelorette contestant most famous for

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Speaker 1: canceling Chris Harrison for not canceling another Bachelorette contestant hard enough.

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Speaker 1: So that's the best they can do for you. But

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Speaker 1: Anna Navarro of the View was talking about the pardon

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Speaker 1: and tweeted, hey, guys, Woodrow Wilson pardoned his brother in

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Speaker 1: law Hunter Debts, d e b u Tts, Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: pardoned his brother Roger. Donald Trump pardoned his daughter's father

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Speaker 1: in law, Charlie Kushner, and just appointed him ambassador to France.

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Speaker 1: But tell me again how Joe Biden is setting precedent.

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Speaker 1: Laffy face, laughy face, Okay, very condescending. She's done her research,

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Speaker 1: Carol de Butts. De Butts ain't true. What it is

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Speaker 1: is she cribbed from chat GBT and chat GPT had

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Speaker 1: one of its hallucinations about Hunter debuts. So when called

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Speaker 1: out on this by Community Notes and others, she says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Twitter sleuth, thanks for taking the time to provide context.

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Speaker 1: Take it up with chat GPT. So she just admits

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Speaker 1: that her research is cribbing chat GPT with no checking,

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Speaker 1: and that's on us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how dare we how dare we.

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Speaker 1: Notice that Hunter debuts is not real? Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: My kids would get kicked out of school for that.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean why it should be embarrassing, But I

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Speaker 1: don't think folks who do that are capable of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the lack of embarrassment is why she's on the view.

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Speaker 1: So amazing stuff, amazing stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's I'm not holding my breath for a Trump supporter

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Speaker 2: on the view. I'd like somebody who maybe just doesn't

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Speaker 2: despise Trump supporters. I think that would be like a

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Speaker 2: step in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: An improvement.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have that. I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: going to have that. I'm kind of given up on

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Speaker 2: that idea. We're going to take a short break and

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Speaker 2: come right back with normally, So It's funny that the

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Speaker 2: Times admits that Trump is already running his foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday he posted on his truth social everybody's talking about

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Speaker 2: the hostages who are being so held so violently and

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Speaker 2: humanely and against the will of the entire world in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East. But it's all talk and no action.

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Speaker 2: Please let this truth serve to represent it. If the

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Speaker 2: hostages are not released prior to the date he assumes office,

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Speaker 2: there will be all held to pay in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: and for those in charge who perpetrated these I mean,

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Speaker 2: I swooned. I was like, yes, this is what we

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Speaker 2: needed to hear for a year. You know, Y're thus

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Speaker 2: already I love that obviously. You know what else this

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Speaker 2: is interesting. It's very obvious that he wrote it himself.

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Speaker 2: There's like random capitalization and like y he wrote that.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump got on his phone and put that up.

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Speaker 2: And so I love it. Can't love it anymore than

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Speaker 2: I do. I love his foreign policy already. I'm very

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Speaker 2: happy with that. You know, bring the hostages home absolutely.

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Speaker 2: You know. Also, in the days since we last reported

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Speaker 2: an American hostage who was kidnapped on October seventh, turns

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Speaker 2: out he was killed, And so you know, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to think that the price of killing Americans should be high,

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Speaker 2: and I think that with a Donald Trump administration, we

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Speaker 2: may actually have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his name was Omar Neutra and terrible news. And

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Speaker 1: it's nice to see someone be like mad about it, right,

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Speaker 1: who is a leader in American politics? Because people should

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Speaker 1: be mad about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. And so yeah, I love the idea

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Speaker 2: that Trump is already running his foreign policy. I'll just

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Speaker 2: add another little quirk for kind of inside baseball. But

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Speaker 2: it's interesting Bibi Netanya, whose wife and son had dined

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Speaker 2: with Trump at mar A Lago the day before. I

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Speaker 2: just in a funny turn of events, you know, the

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Speaker 2: next day he tweets this or posted on his truth

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Speaker 2: social the Israeli left will just collapse and die. If

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Speaker 2: it was actually Bibi Netanya, who's son and wife who

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Speaker 2: ended up getting the hostages home, you know, via Trump,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll just it's just it's such a politicized

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Speaker 2: moment over there, just for the kind of color of

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Speaker 2: the story. If it was Bibe Netnaw who's son who

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Speaker 2: got in Trump's ear, I mean, I love it, and

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Speaker 2: Israeli left will very much not well.

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Speaker 1: Mar A Lago is the place to be because he

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Speaker 1: very much is sort of the default president right now

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Speaker 1: because there is no actual president and I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the vice president is doing. So Trudeau's down there.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's hanging out at mar A Lago, so check in

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Speaker 1: there if you need foreign policy changes.

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Speaker 3: So that's it.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: To get in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail

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Speaker 2: dot com. Thanks for listening, and when things get weird,

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