WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Idiomatic for the People II, Part II

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<v Speaker 1>Fellow ridiculous historians. We're back with another classic episode. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a follow up to our legendary Idiomatic for the

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<v Speaker 1>People Too Part one. This is Idiomatic for the People

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<v Speaker 1>to Part two, which we thought was just an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>inside joke we did and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>We stand by it.

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<v Speaker 3>If anyone's not familiar with the incredible Athens, Georgia based

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<v Speaker 3>you know Indie well, they became huge mega rock stars,

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<v Speaker 3>but they originally were kind of like heroes of the

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<v Speaker 3>early indie rock kind of scene. Rim Automatic for the

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<v Speaker 3>People is the name of one of their biggest albums

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<v Speaker 3>and is named after a really amazing soul food restaurant

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<v Speaker 3>in Athens, Georgia called Weaver Dies and their slogan was

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it means, Automatic for the People. Sadly that spot

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<v Speaker 3>recently closed and as long as I've been going to

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<v Speaker 3>Athens and even living there, I'd never been until very

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<v Speaker 3>recently and then they closed and it was awesome have

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<v Speaker 3>squash casserole delicious And speaking of awesome, we have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of fun with this one, Max, I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was a little bit before.

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<v Speaker 1>Your time maybe, so we had talked previously when we

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<v Speaker 1>aired part two. Part one still hilarious. We had talked

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<v Speaker 1>about re resurrecting this series with more idioms and things

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<v Speaker 1>for the etymology nerds. Max, would you be on board

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<v Speaker 1>to hop on mic with us for a gritty reboot?

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<v Speaker 1>You know I would all right good, because it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>awkward if you said no. Anyway, let's roll the tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio, and we've returned

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<v Speaker 1>in an earlier episode we launched our continuing exploration into idioms.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the next episode of Idiomatic for the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on knock Idiomatic for you something something bad people

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<v Speaker 2>and phrases and we got to work shop that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>You pointed out though, that the Three's company theme kind

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<v Speaker 2>of dirty, clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Not as innocent as the melody would imply. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that we we should look back into because

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you and I and our super producer

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Pegram had a fantastic time tripping the light of

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<v Speaker 1>music history in our Louis Louis episode, So maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>can look at theme songs one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to make trip the Light happen? Ben?

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<v Speaker 1>No, But I was thinking about making cast the pod fantastic.

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<v Speaker 5>That could be a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We hear voices. Hear these voices. Man, We've got voices,

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<v Speaker 3>that's right. Are not just the ones in our heads?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it's not just you and Casey myself. Today

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<v Speaker 1>we are rejoined by our good friends Ruin Newby and

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<v Speaker 1>Frank mulheran. Hey, mahallo, guys, thanks thanks for is that

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<v Speaker 1>a well hello or a mahallow?

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<v Speaker 5>Both?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>With that multifunctional so we are. We're really glad that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys didn't didn't give up the ghost. It's another

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<v Speaker 1>idiom didn't give up the ghost at intermission and came

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<v Speaker 1>and came back. So thanks so much for giving us

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<v Speaker 1>a second date. We've established the rules videomatic for the

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<v Speaker 1>people already. I almost tapped out myself, Ben. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been You've had a long day, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a long journey.

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<v Speaker 3>I was telling the superducer Casey Pregram, that I did

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<v Speaker 3>get good sleep last night. I went to bed like

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<v Speaker 3>a good boy around nine. We'll go bet four thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not about the lack of sleep, but just

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<v Speaker 3>about the length of the day. We are up at

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<v Speaker 3>four it feels like an eternity, but I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 3>liking this.

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<v Speaker 2>Punchy vibe that I'm riding now. I'm hoping that it'll

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<v Speaker 2>lend itself to some fun idiomatic dissection.

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<v Speaker 1>I am one hundred percent agreed with you, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>just been struck by inspiration. Noel, will you be the

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<v Speaker 1>first brave soul to explore an idiom with us today?

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to ben jamn. My idiom is the

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<v Speaker 3>name of a spice girl? Can you guess which one

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<v Speaker 3>it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it scary?

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<v Speaker 5>The story?

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<v Speaker 2>The story is a little bit scary. It does involve

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<v Speaker 2>some sport, some potential sports, some sports individual sporty individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the other ones? There's baby baby? There may

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<v Speaker 2>be some babies in the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, there's baby spice. Gingerne Ginger spice.

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<v Speaker 5>Was she ginger spice?

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<v Speaker 4>Or she was?

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't she?

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<v Speaker 1>There was ginger spices?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Ginger is a spice? I think? Is what you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Ginger is a spice multiple levels.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the story of the spice girl in question, or

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<v Speaker 3>at least her namesake, does involve some spices potentially, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Aha. It involves a journey to India to the land

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<v Speaker 2>of exotic spices, right, like turmeric, like you know, peppercorns, peppercorns,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, that's right. But it's not just any journey,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend. It is the journey of the wealthy via

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<v Speaker 2>steam ship.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 3>it was the thing to do for the well to do,

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<v Speaker 3>the wealthy, the upper crust of England to go to

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<v Speaker 3>India for what they call in England holiday, which means

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<v Speaker 3>vacation h or. It's also a fabulous Madonna song.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't that be funny?

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<v Speaker 1>She was.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a Go Go song called vacation and then there's

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<v Speaker 3>a Madonna song called holiday, and they're both. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Madonna's talk about holiday is about taking a holiday, if

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<v Speaker 3>we took a holiday, just sometime to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think she's more talking about like a Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>type experience. Sure, she's talking about celebrating.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, as long as you wake me up before you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Go, oh, you know, I will ruin you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I will listen, hear listen here my friends.

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<v Speaker 3>So they have to take this journey on steamship. And

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<v Speaker 3>here's the thing. In those days, it was not a

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<v Speaker 3>good look for the wealthy to have a tan because

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<v Speaker 3>the tan was not what it is today. Or people

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<v Speaker 3>you know, get literally spray painted on their bodies so

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<v Speaker 3>they look they have that like glow. No, that was

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<v Speaker 3>the look that was reserved for like a field hand,

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<v Speaker 3>that was considered like we would call like a redneck

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that, someone that was like the lowest

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<v Speaker 3>of the low. And these these wealthy types wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>maintain their ghostly complexion. So here's the thing, the story

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<v Speaker 3>of the word posh.

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<v Speaker 2>That is my work. It was a long preamble to

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<v Speaker 2>get there. I know. But Ben, you know I love

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<v Speaker 2>a good acronym.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you know this about me, Frank, you know

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<v Speaker 3>this about me. I'm always talking about acronyms. I won't

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<v Speaker 3>shut up. I'm like acronym, acronym, acronym. Yet I can't

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<v Speaker 3>seem to think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Radar race car.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it's a palindrome, not an acronym.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to chime in here. One of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite palindromes doctor awkward, really wow beautiful.

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<v Speaker 6>Also one of my favorite Spider Man villains. No wait, ac,

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<v Speaker 6>I know my favorite is a lonely tail and all wow,

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<v Speaker 6>that's a good one. Yeah, but palindromes may be something

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<v Speaker 6>for a different tale, right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, the word palindrome is itself a palindrome. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>sure other language that's fair.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll tell you the story of the word posh

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<v Speaker 3>is really fascinating because there is a popularly circulated, let's

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<v Speaker 3>call it, I don't know, a rumored origin of this

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<v Speaker 3>word that these mucky muck English types that were going

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<v Speaker 3>on their holiday to India thea steamship required a very

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<v Speaker 3>particular type of seat so they would not get that tan.

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<v Speaker 3>So they wanted to sit in the part of the

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<v Speaker 3>ship that would shield them from the afternoon sun, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the hottest of the hot during the day when

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<v Speaker 3>you're out on the open sea, which would, according to

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<v Speaker 3>this version of events, be the right or the starboard side.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when you came back, they wanted it to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the left or the port side. So therein

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<v Speaker 3>you have the acronym psh port side out starboard home,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning the voyage there you'd sit on the port side.

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<v Speaker 3>On the voyage back, you'd sit on the starboard side.

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<v Speaker 3>And supposedly, according to this tale, these tickets would be

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<v Speaker 3>stamped with posh and it got so popular that people

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<v Speaker 3>just started asking for the posh ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>We want the posh ticket. Turns out this is garbage.

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<v Speaker 3>This story is not true at all, and there's great

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<v Speaker 3>reason there's it's so garbage and so questionable that Snopes

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<v Speaker 3>has a fantastic article dissecting all of these these various

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<v Speaker 3>versions of the story. And they have a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>reasons that does not make sense. First of all, the

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<v Speaker 3>way the sun would move in a journey like this

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<v Speaker 3>would be different depending on the day. Right, This is

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<v Speaker 3>a very long and arduous journey. And they you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't really bank on where the sun would be exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It does make its own rules. And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The winds.

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<v Speaker 3>There were monsoon winds that would be in play, and

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<v Speaker 3>they would change from season to season, so it would

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<v Speaker 3>change seasonally, you know, like maybe not day to day,

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<v Speaker 3>but certainly seasonally. And there's here's the other part. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>the other rub as they say, which is another idiom

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<v Speaker 3>we should explore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there it is right there. They these trips were

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<v Speaker 2>so long and difficult that they wouldn't book a round trip.

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<v Speaker 2>They would be staying in India for a long time

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<v Speaker 2>to make it worth their while they might stay months,

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<v Speaker 2>some might even stay over like a year or so,

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<v Speaker 2>they would not book that return trip until they knew,

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<v Speaker 2>damn well they were ready to come home. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>so posh.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the real origin of the word posh came

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<v Speaker 3>around in eighteen thirty. And the thing about posh too

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<v Speaker 3>is the reason stories like this can take hold is

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<v Speaker 3>because it's its origins are a little bit murky. But

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<v Speaker 3>there are some origins in the Romani language of the

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<v Speaker 3>early seventeenth century, where it was a term that meant money.

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<v Speaker 3>The term was posh huri, which was their version of

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<v Speaker 3>a halfpence. So then the word posh kind of stuck

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<v Speaker 3>around and started.

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<v Speaker 2>To mean money. Money equals you are so money, you

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<v Speaker 2>are so well to do, you are so posh. That

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<v Speaker 2>makes a lot of sense to me. And now we

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<v Speaker 2>use that term to mean anyone that is moneyed or

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<v Speaker 2>looking fancy or looking like whatever their get up is

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<v Speaker 2>is would have cost a good bit. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. I have to admit I'm a little It

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit of an emotional roller coaster for me, Noel,

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<v Speaker 1>because I got quite into the idea of posh. Spice's

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<v Speaker 1>full name being port side out, starboard home spice.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be good. That would be good.

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<v Speaker 3>And a point that I love the Snop's article makes

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<v Speaker 3>is that the Brits of this period, and honestly humans

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<v Speaker 3>in general, big fans of scrap booking.

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<v Speaker 2>Scrap booking is it was a super fashionable thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do and not a single one of these posh stamped

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<v Speaker 2>tickets exists in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Debunked.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, totally debunked.

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<v Speaker 6>But the Brits love to say posh. That's probably where

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<v Speaker 6>I know the term from.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, you're a posh dandy, you know, like a

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<v Speaker 3>posh dandy trip and the light fantastic there.

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<v Speaker 4>We like that line from peep Showers, like he calls

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<v Speaker 4>them a posh spaz. You probably iron your socks, yes, yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Also also I propose that we take it upon ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>to bring back posh as a slang term for money.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always there's so many I think you can. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can pull it off and no one will

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<v Speaker 1>bust you, you know what I mean. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>say how much Pasha is that, they'll just say it's

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<v Speaker 1>four thirty five.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that works totally. There's some like you ever

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<v Speaker 3>heard of like scratch. You heard someone calling money scratch?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure cheddar Posh.

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<v Speaker 2>Is way cooler? Yeah, posh is way cool.

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<v Speaker 5>You got the pasha more fashionable?

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like something Ali g would say that.

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<v Speaker 1>You would say, yaksha exactly pasha. Oh boy?

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<v Speaker 5>All right, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh now we now we turn to let's see what

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<v Speaker 1>what you got something? Frank, you got one for us?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure? I was looking at, uh, what's cracking in? What's

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<v Speaker 4>cracking in on tonight? Do y'all have what's cracking? Do

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<v Speaker 4>y'all have any idea of what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Like some some what's the HAPs?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what's the HAPs what's the buzz, what's the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>what's the new gossip? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. And so I

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<v Speaker 4>was looking into this and you know, it's not something

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<v Speaker 4>that's native to America. It's but it's been around in

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<v Speaker 4>England for a while and specifically it comes from the

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<v Speaker 4>Ulster area and the Scots Irish area of the British Isles.

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<v Speaker 4>And originally it was spelled you know like the way

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<v Speaker 4>we spell it now, like c R A c K.

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<v Speaker 2>That was American. Then it was an americanized version or no.

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<v Speaker 4>Well no, no, no, it was originally started out in

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<v Speaker 4>as Middle English, and it was just like it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it was related to the sound but it but in

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<v Speaker 4>this particular usage of it, it pertained to like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of chatter basically like people, you know, you go

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<v Speaker 4>into a loud bar restaurant, you hear just you know.

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<v Speaker 5>White noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I believe they call them pubs over there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, so yes, exactly exactly. And so what I

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<v Speaker 4>found really interesting about this was that it's an example

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<v Speaker 4>of a reborrowing. So it was primarily used in you know, Scotland,

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<v Speaker 4>Northern England and in Northern Ireland. It really wasn't used

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<v Speaker 4>in Ireland, even though we associate you know, when people

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<v Speaker 4>say where's the crack or what's the crack and not

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<v Speaker 4>what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of when people say where's the crack, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of something completely different.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah totally. But yeah, but say if you

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<v Speaker 4>were in Ireland and somebody asked you that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they would just take you to a cool bar, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a restaurant or whatever, then sell you some crack, sell

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<v Speaker 4>you some crack and then you'd continue about your night.

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<v Speaker 4>So cracks use in mainland Ireland or the non northern

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<v Speaker 4>Ireland part really is more of a recent thing and

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<v Speaker 4>kind of started in the late sixties. And what happened

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<v Speaker 4>was they took crack and Gala sized it and started

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<v Speaker 4>to spell it c r a Ic, you know, so

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<v Speaker 4>they don't have a k in Gaelic, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know why they chose to put an eye in front

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<v Speaker 4>of them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like a more Middle English version, like I

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<v Speaker 3>would think of it, like, you know, the craik was

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<v Speaker 3>the whisky and then he deeves and all that kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, it's got a jabberwocky vibe to it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Really in the Sleepy Tutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, the guy ron gimbal So I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>it's related to Archaic in any way just because of

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<v Speaker 1>that Ai.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just an example of the Irish taking this word

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<v Speaker 4>and giving it a more Gaelic sort of rebranding. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's really kind of like what it turns into, because

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<v Speaker 4>it turns into this Gaelic spelling of it, and it

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<v Speaker 4>becomes associated with Irish nightlife culture and just going out

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<v Speaker 4>and having fun and raising hell and all that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff, and then it ends up coming back into English.

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<v Speaker 4>By way of Ireland, and it kind of now means

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<v Speaker 4>like fun, nightlife, gossip and all this kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>but with the kind of Irish flavor to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So are we are we having cracked? Now? Is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what we're doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I'd like to hope. So okay, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Is that how you would say it too? We're having crack?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, we're having a crack.

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<v Speaker 5>And I feel very strange, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Fake, say like because I went to a good crack. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Dublin last year. And what surprised me

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<v Speaker 1>is I had heard people use this phrase, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea what it meant. And it was never

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation where I wanted to stop someone and

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<v Speaker 1>be like part of me, fellow Irish person, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? What?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this crack of what you speak?

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<v Speaker 5>Take a crack?

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<v Speaker 2>And where can I get some? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 3>I keep leaning on that, but it's I can't, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't hear that. So to me, what what what comes

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<v Speaker 3>to mind is what's cracking?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>And I also another popular British expression is a cracking

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<v Speaker 3>good time exactly, So you're saying that's cracking good you know?

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<v Speaker 5>That is?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just means that it's super exciting and

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<v Speaker 2>fun and upbeat, high energy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally. And one interesting thing I came across with

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<v Speaker 4>this is that it's kind of now that it's become

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<v Speaker 4>readopted by English speakers, it's now kind of like seen

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<v Speaker 4>as kind of like emblematic of the disney Ification of

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<v Speaker 4>Irish culture. You saw like the proliferation of like Irish

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<v Speaker 4>pubs in the nineties, you know. And that gipsy mcs

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<v Speaker 4>stumbles exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't make that up.

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<v Speaker 3>And Frank and I's hometown of a US to Georgia,

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<v Speaker 3>which she mentioned last episode, there is an Irish bar

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<v Speaker 3>that's sort of like an Irish bar Hooters called Tipsy

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<v Speaker 3>mc stumbles.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's not the most offensive cultural appropriation that I

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<v Speaker 3>can think off the top of my head, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there are a lot of really cool examples

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<v Speaker 4>of reborrowing that I thought were really interesting, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like the you know how like animation in English and

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<v Speaker 4>then jap in Japan there's anime and then now in

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<v Speaker 4>English animation that has this from.

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<v Speaker 2>Japan or japanimation.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody says.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody says, I'm not supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say that that will get you punched by fans of

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<v Speaker 2>the medium.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's come full circle back to animes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a question, can we as Americans use

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<v Speaker 1>this phrase or we being jerks?

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<v Speaker 4>I would if I was going over there, I would

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<v Speaker 4>be like, listen, I don't want I don't want. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want this, Mickey Mickey Mouse, Donald duck crack. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking for the real thing, saying, you know, don't

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<v Speaker 4>send me to where the tourists are.

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<v Speaker 6>See, okay, I feel like I'm not into Donald duck

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<v Speaker 6>crack either person of all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, last thing, real quick. I keep seeing

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<v Speaker 2>this on the internet when I'm looking at this. The

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<v Speaker 2>crack was ninety. Why isn't it hundred?

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<v Speaker 4>That is the highest gradation of crack.

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<v Speaker 5>Breaking bad crack.

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<v Speaker 4>If you go past crack ninety, then you've entered into

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<v Speaker 4>minus crack, where you've had too good of a time

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, you said some terrible things and gotten

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<v Speaker 4>into a fight, and you know, the minus crack.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll cancel you. You're canceled this season, right, you were

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<v Speaker 2>so minus crack. That was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, when you texted the group saying that

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were misspelling a word, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I do what this is?

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<v Speaker 2>But I am. I am delighted this. I literally learned

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<v Speaker 2>something new.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want to mention

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<v Speaker 1>it in our off air talk because I thought you

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<v Speaker 1>would like have more fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew what it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you Yeah. I actually when we were there,

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up entirely through accidents, staying next to the

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<v Speaker 1>most notorious club in Dublin, which is a place called

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<v Speaker 1>Copper Faced Jacks. I don't want to go too far

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<v Speaker 1>into detail on it, but if you are by a

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<v Speaker 1>computer that is not associated with your work, feel free

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<v Speaker 1>to google it and check out what happens at Copper

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<v Speaker 1>Face Jacks. I hear it's rage and crack. It's at ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I doing that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh crack ninety crack ninety. We should do, we should do.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some T shirt ideas here, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>These are T shirt I do right and let us know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll wear any shirt with crack on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what people say about you. I have one you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It might it might surprise you. Have you ever felt

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<v Speaker 1>that you were doing something or involved in some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of project that felt too improvised, somewhat.

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<v Speaker 2>Haphazard, like this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we had a hey, we had a plan, we

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<v Speaker 1>had a text, we had a text, a text threat.

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<v Speaker 6>So more Lucy Goosey than this is what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 6>and not lucy.

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<v Speaker 1>But but that's a great one too, that's true. The

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<v Speaker 1>phrase willy nilly, which is for older generations.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, just willy nilly, Lucy goosey, the similar sing song.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they've got some whimsy to them, right, they're a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of June. But willy nilly, Now, it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>you would associate with, let's be honest, maybe a child,

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher, or an older person say in a way

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<v Speaker 1>like if you've ever seen a very wholesome person get angry,

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<v Speaker 1>they would use a phrase like willy nilly, you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be out all hours of the night driving willy nilly,

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<v Speaker 1>hither and.

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<v Speaker 5>Yon hither and thither.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, pal mel So. Nowadays, in twenty nineteen, we

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<v Speaker 1>associate this with the definition that I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>recognized instantly doing something without a good set of directions,

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<v Speaker 1>lackluster planning, somewhat haphazardly, which reminds us I feel terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>super producer Casey Pegro. We went willy Nilly into the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>We ran rough shot over our normal top of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to.

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<v Speaker 2>Casey, Yes, please do Yes, we are penitent. I blame you, Ron,

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<v Speaker 2>what come on, we blame Rowin.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh look, I'm sorry, Casey. Do you forgive me?

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<v Speaker 1>I forgive you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh I'll listen to that. Huh Casey on the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and it sounded very sincere. So you guys need

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<v Speaker 6>to take a deep breath.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, We're good.

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<v Speaker 1>So willy nilly is much older than might originally suspect

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase that survives now w I l l y

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<v Speaker 1>dash n I l l y is the winner of

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<v Speaker 1>a long battle between various different spellings, and it's even

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<v Speaker 1>become a great fake name if you guys are into

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<v Speaker 1>those William nillium. Who's who's going to use that at

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<v Speaker 1>the airport next every hotel? Every hotel. So the early

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<v Speaker 1>meaning of the word nil is key to the understanding

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<v Speaker 1>it used to. It used to mean originally with or

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<v Speaker 1>against your will. So come hell or high water is

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the original version of willy nilly Because the

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<v Speaker 1>early meaning of the word nil it was the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of will, a contraction of nay will so ash so

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<v Speaker 1>so I nil do that, I will not do that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Websters defines it as whether you like it or not. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I've always wanted to say. Webster's defines it

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<v Speaker 2>as sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 6>Shout out to Websters.

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<v Speaker 1>So will I nil I can be expanded into b

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<v Speaker 1>I willing b I unwilling, combining the two sentiments with

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<v Speaker 1>the implication that it doesn't matter how you feel about it,

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<v Speaker 1>you are stuck doing this thing. I got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this information from one of my favorite word websites,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Worldwide Words. It is a treasure trove, the cavalcade,

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<v Speaker 1>a very very strange phrases.

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<v Speaker 3>And an interesting backstory. The guy that that maintained it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he is no longer actively updating the site,

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<v Speaker 1>But Michael Quinnion has spent his entire life studying this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a one man army and it's it's fascinating, just

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<v Speaker 1>the sheer bulk of stuff he described. So shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to you, Mike, and thanks for putting this together. So

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase it still dates back at least a thousand years.

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<v Speaker 1>The earliest known version was in an old English text

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<v Speaker 1>called Lives of Saints. The line is saying satan food

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<v Speaker 1>and skilled and bone mode, will we nil? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what he's talking about, but he got there.

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<v Speaker 2>And something about skating and bone was it? Skanks and bones?

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<v Speaker 1>Sin sinbul and stolen bone mode? Ed mode mood.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in ed mode, bro, You're so ed mode right now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like when you like actively are sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>a d weeb, like I'm in full ed mode. And

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<v Speaker 3>then it this is great, Great, he's gonna be t shirts.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it occurs in the Tami in the Shrew

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<v Speaker 1>in fifteen ninety six, with its original meaning. Petruccio, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to Catherina, says, thus, in plain terms, your father hath

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<v Speaker 1>consented that you shall be my wife. Your dowry greed

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<v Speaker 1>on and will you nill you? I will marry you?

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<v Speaker 1>Super creepy dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Yeah, that's that's not a good look for Patriuccio.

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<v Speaker 2>What's his name?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>He nailed it, man. And this is just a I

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<v Speaker 1>think a great example of how previously maybe not sinister,

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<v Speaker 1>but previously more combative or less innocuous terms become these

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<v Speaker 1>fun things that we throw around now, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, You're not You're like the odds of you

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<v Speaker 1>being in an altercation and someone saying will you or

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<v Speaker 1>nil you in a threatening manner that's just safely not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I totally agree. I do have to say, Ben,

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<v Speaker 3>I use this one quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah yeah, U.

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<v Speaker 2>I use it Willy Nilly just every which way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I really do. I really really like Willy Nilly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh come on, I keep thinking of what's that song

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<v Speaker 1>wily Bully? Will? I keep thinking of this song Willy Bully,

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<v Speaker 1>but just with the lyrics replaced Willy Nilly.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it, which actually works.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, But honestly that when I use it, though,

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<v Speaker 3>I use it in kind of a Larry David kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like grumpy old man way, where.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you can't just go doing this stuff Willy Nilly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like you know, it's this idea of, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's gotta be a little order involved. You can't just.

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<v Speaker 6>Go you can't just be going out, you know, doing

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.880
<v Speaker 6>whatever it is you're doing, whatever the case might be, whose.

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<v Speaker 4>Can be haphazard or pill mel pell mell.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is so funny because there's cigarettes I was about

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<v Speaker 3>to say our grandpa cigarettes. I would also say willy

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<v Speaker 3>nilly probably, but Grandpa's pronounced pall Mel and if you

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<v Speaker 3>look at the pack, it's clearly Paul Mal and they're

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<v Speaker 3>still around, but apparently they're like that. That's one of

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<v Speaker 3>these examples of willful disagreement of an obvious pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like, yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe we're just like I'm gonna smoke this as fast

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<v Speaker 4>as toss the ball and.

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<v Speaker 5>Time to the box.

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<v Speaker 1>A person with things to do. So that's that's the story.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have posh, we have crack. We took a

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<v Speaker 1>crack at crack, yeah, and then we have willy Nilly.

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<v Speaker 1>But we weren't quite willing n only with this episode

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<v Speaker 1>because we did have a plan. We did promise everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning that we would we would each present

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<v Speaker 1>an idiom and Rowans since you are an alumni of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, now alumnus.

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<v Speaker 7>Alumna, alumn aluminium, since you are in fact built largely

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<v Speaker 7>from aluminium, No, we would like to give the honor

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<v Speaker 7>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the last idiom. Now this means that if

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<v Speaker 1>the three of us have really dropped the ball here

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<v Speaker 1>and don't know where that one comes from. Then it's

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<v Speaker 1>no pressure on you to save the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't. I don't feel pressure by that statement

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<v Speaker 5>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Good because Nolan Frank gave you some serious nods and

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<v Speaker 1>once you know that we're not joking.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, they all just crack their knuckles and they're looking

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<v Speaker 6>at me very sternly.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to know, can you hear those knuckles?

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<v Speaker 2>That is not fully that is that is in the room?

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<v Speaker 5>Wow?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Well, I'm triggered by the wedding bullets right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Put that on your list, by the way there, because

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<v Speaker 6>I'm tripping balls.

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<v Speaker 5>Tripping the balls. Fantastic? Got it?

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 6>Uh? Yeah, there's actually a dry race board behind Ben

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 6>or he puts a tally of every accidental idiom we utter.

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Ben literally keeps score in all things, in all things

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<v Speaker 2>podcast related.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super petty, get it?

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 5>But sure, Yeah, here we go, let's jump in. Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a lesser known idiom for the people out there.

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<v Speaker 5>Hard boxing the runway.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're not familiar with this, it refers to someone

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<v Speaker 6>who's maybe showboating or peacocking a bit, you know, maybe

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 6>accidentally alienating a crowd as opposed to enlightening with their

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 6>flair and mild superiority, but like big personality.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard this, but I have no idea where it

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<v Speaker 1>comes from. Is it like a is like a European

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<v Speaker 1>thing or is it.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I think it's origins or English? But uh

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<v Speaker 6>but I think English, So yeah, European?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, English? Did you do the home?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, we're really picking well it is one of.

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<v Speaker 5>Those expressions that feels fake, but I promise it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so okay, so so lay it honest man. What's

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<v Speaker 1>what's the etymology? Is there a story behind this?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, there's a man by the name of Alexander Benson okay,

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<v Speaker 6>who was the great grandfather somebody who I know, and

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<v Speaker 6>Admiral Nicholas van Benson who has shared this wisdom with me.

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<v Speaker 6>Evently stems from old bricotine ships, and there was something

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<v Speaker 6>called a like you know with at the front of

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<v Speaker 6>the ship is the bow, in the back is the

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<v Speaker 6>is the port? Correct start, thank you? And so in

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<v Speaker 6>the back of the ships where you steer the ship.

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<v Speaker 6>And if somebody was steering the ship, they they would

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<v Speaker 6>have this semblance of you know, kind of arrogance. They'd

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<v Speaker 6>be taking up a lot of you know, they oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm in control of this ship. So they were often

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<v Speaker 6>known as the Harbucks. They were Harbucks sing the runway,

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<v Speaker 6>being like there the passageway from the port or the starboard.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh okay, all right, the stern is in the backup

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 6>saying but when you look forward, ah, yes, because they

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<v Speaker 6>get this whole like vista of the entire ship and

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<v Speaker 6>the sea because they're steering the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're sort of like hogging the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly, and they can be a little braggadocious, but they're

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<v Speaker 6>doing the job. You know. I think it's kind of

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<v Speaker 6>an unintentional.

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<v Speaker 4>Type of har like flexing on the gram or something.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, yeah, more archaic version. Yeah this, why not very

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<v Speaker 6>because I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta be honest, like, I haven't. I'm familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure a lot of us listening you are, but

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard it in the modern day, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, you know, much like willy nilly, people aren't

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<v Speaker 6>or will to the nil or whatever it was, Folks

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 6>aren't using this as as often as they should.

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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 6>Frankly, I'm a little upset that people are often try

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<v Speaker 6>to call me on this, but it is real, as

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<v Speaker 6>the table we're in front of.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we are not sitting down, We're standing.

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<v Speaker 6>Real as the table in front of us. So you

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 6>can put that on the tally board. All right, So

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<v Speaker 6>do you think people should bring this back? I strongly

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<v Speaker 6>suggest it would be for the benefit of all if

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<v Speaker 6>we because because you got to call people on their

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<v Speaker 6>on their bs often.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, okay, so I'm in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, all right, what I don't know, man.

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<v Speaker 5>I wrote a bunch of other fake things. Do you

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<v Speaker 5>want me to read?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I mean real things.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Because I did actually google the word harbuck, because you

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<v Speaker 6>know that's what the internet's for, right, sure, okay. Harbuck

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<v Speaker 6>could have ties to a Gaelic expression Harbuck, which was

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<v Speaker 6>a surname or habitational name taken from our Buckle, a

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 6>parish of air Dry, Lancashire. I think I'm pronouncing I

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 6>think correctly.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's late Galic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, fine, well really so Gelic.

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<v Speaker 5>It's as Gaelic.

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<v Speaker 1>So we we've got crack and we came back around exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>We're back And he was talking about ships at the

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 6>beginning of the show. Wow, yeah, think about that.

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>It's almost as though.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm definitely usual suspects, Almost.

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<v Speaker 2>As though you invented or I'm sorry, discovered the perfect

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>crystallization of everything that we did in this episode, summed

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>up in a completely believable and meticulously researched idiom.

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<v Speaker 6>I you know, I couldn't have said a better myself

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 6>by I'm patting myself on the back. However, Nicholas von Benson, Admiral,

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<v Speaker 6>deserves a large amount of the credit as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I must say, was he the hard Was he the

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<v Speaker 2>original Harbucks?

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<v Speaker 4>Here?

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<v Speaker 5>Was the original person to Hardbucks the runway?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually say this wouldn't an admiral. He would just

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<v Speaker 2>be commanding. He wouldn't be steering.

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<v Speaker 5>He was kind of a dick about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, some people are really hands on, you know people, Yeah, exactly.

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 5>Because you know it's you know, there are shifts. It's

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 5>also a power move, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you would admirally want people to know you still

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>got it.

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<v Speaker 6>He would often just like shout hey, guys, look at me, Hey,

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.439
<v Speaker 6>check out the the steering on this guy.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 5>Huh handling?

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And then people would be swabbing the poop deck

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<v Speaker 6>like that's nice, sir, that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what I say, we take this to

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<v Speaker 1>our favorite court because if anyone can get to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the veracity of this figure speech, it will

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<v Speaker 1>be our super producer, Casey Pegram Casey, question for you,

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<v Speaker 1>when was the last time you heard hard boxing the runway?

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<v Speaker 8>I would estimate about an hour ago. Well, we're talking

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 8>about it outside before recording. This is new to you,

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 8>it's a new one to me. But you know, it

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 8>feels like it should be real, So it has that

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 8>going for it.

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<v Speaker 5>Should be real.

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<v Speaker 6>Casey, I thought we were.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, you know, all languages constructed, so I mean, really,

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.359
<v Speaker 8>what is real? Yeah versus fake?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 6>And that's actually something I texted nol Earler.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very true. You did, so be it true? Will he?

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Nill he? You know, I think it demonstrates the malleability

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 2>of language and the power of belief, because what we're

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<v Speaker 2>all about here on.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous system and it's like our main thing.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our main things. So guys, again, thank you so

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>much for dropping by and helping ship some light on

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<v Speaker 1>the mysteries of etymology for those of us listening, And

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<v Speaker 1>we want to thank you for all the responses we

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>receive to our previous idiomatic for the people. Right in,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know some of your favorite figures of speech,

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>terms of phrase, idioms. Also, if you speak languages other

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>than English, what's something that you think sounds really strange

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 1>in English but is very common in some other language.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an episode. All it's over.

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<v Speaker 4>There are some great Lindas.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks to you, my dear friend, my dear old friend,

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Malhair and coiner of the idiomatic for the people,

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<v Speaker 3>ephemeral friend of the show, and now what's the what's

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite of ephemeral?

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<v Speaker 2>Concrete, flat lasting, corporeal friend of the show, part of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. It's been a long time comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for being here, man, thanks for having I know

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<v Speaker 3>you had to rush over here from work and it

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<v Speaker 3>means the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Rowan Nuby, Yeah, thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Rowan. You can find you can find mister Nuby on

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<v Speaker 1>his own show Pitches, which is a comedy podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>the evaluation of ideas. Correct a monopoly of ideas, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that is correct?

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<v Speaker 6>Very good word. Yeah, you know it's like Shark Tank

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<v Speaker 6>mindus all the stress and money and plus all the

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<v Speaker 6>chatter and fun and irreverence and.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it's pretty off the cuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I got Ben Bowlin here actually coming up on an episode,

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<v Speaker 6>and I got Noel Brown here on one that's airing today.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you like them?

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<v Speaker 5>Apples?

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<v Speaker 1>So you can check it out now wherever you find

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>That's correct, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all the things to get

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<v Speaker 6>on their baby at Pitches Podcasts Get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Meet one of our favorite parts of the show, your

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<v Speaker 1>fellow listeners on our Facebook page Ridiculous Historians.

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<v Speaker 3>Big thanks to super producer Casey Pegram, Big thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>our research associate Gabe luz Here, and thanks to Alex Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>Who composed are ever so earwormy theme.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you said in previous pisode, write it and

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<v Speaker 1>let us know if there were any figures of speech

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<v Speaker 1>or terms of phrase that we used unconsciously. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>they were in there. You can find my personal Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>at ben Bolin and hey, Nola, you're on the internet too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm on the insternet at Embryonic Insider double ats.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only way you can find it. I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a single app.

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<v Speaker 1>Willy nilly, great crack, folks, stay tuned for our next

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<v Speaker 1>episode when we do something that we guarantee will be ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the least we can guarantee. We'll see you

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<v Speaker 2>next time.

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