1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, welcome to Cardinal Territory. You are watching this 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: on Friday, April twenty fifth, which means we are about 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: to start a short but sweet three game homestand with 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers. So I thought, why not ask my 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: friend Don Petronio, who does pre and post game for 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: the Brewers on WTJ, to come join the show. No 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: one else I'd rather talk ball with, especially some Brewers 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals Dom How are you? 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: Hey? What's up Katie? Happy to have you here. 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: This is fun because finally we get to see each 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: other for the first time this series, this season, and 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 3: then it's like we barely see each other again until 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: the middle of summer. 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: Right exactly. I love this for us. I see you 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: three times a year, but all three times it's great. 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: So why not this is great? 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: No? 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: I think two teams in very different trajectories. Right, You 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: can correct me if I'm wrong on that. The Brewers 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: are still trying to get out of neutral right now, 21 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: it feels like, but as we record this before their 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: finale with the Giants, they're really begging for a. 23 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: Split against the tough team in San Francis Go. 24 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: But there's still a team that people want to continue 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: to not really pay attention to. 26 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: And that say, Okay, it's exactly how they like it. Yeah. 27 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: I feel like every year the Brewers come in and 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: they're just kind of thought as the underdog, despite having 29 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: won the division four or three times in the last 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: four years. And I don't know if that is just 31 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: part of being in the now Central, part of not 32 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: being a big market team, part of not really spending, 33 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: But every year they seem to sort of get it going, 34 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: which is why I was a little surprised to check 35 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: the standings and see them hovering right around five hundred. 36 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: But as you and I were talking about before the 37 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: cameras went on, the Brewers have been in the midst 38 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: of a grueling stretch to start April. 39 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 3: This is the second West Coast trip they're just finishing. 40 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: This is their only three city road trip of the year, though, 41 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: which is good news for any team in the Antal 42 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: Central given how great the travel is in this division. 43 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: But when you think of two trips West on top 44 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: of opening the season in New York and then coming 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: right back home, I mean they've had sneaky a lot 46 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: of day games and a lot of travel already to 47 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: this point of the year. 48 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: They're getting a lot of it done now. The good 49 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: news for the Brewers is that after they're. 50 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: Done with the Giants now, they don't go west again 51 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: until after the All Star breaks, so they get to 52 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: kind of get comfortable in the Central and Eastern time zones. 53 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: And that may not sound like a thing to some people, 54 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 3: but when you're traveling and you're putting your body on 55 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: the line and that big jump, that two and a 56 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 3: half hour jump or whatever, I just I give my 57 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: kudos to these guys and what they're going through. At 58 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: the same time, it's only April. There's no reason to overreact. 59 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: You want to make sure these bodies are fresh by 60 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: the end of the year as opposed to the end 61 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: of April. That's what the Bruce have kind of been 62 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: doing with their line of the last few games, got it, No. 63 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: I saw a couple of show and goes from your 64 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: manager Pat Murphy, so that and it helps. Right. They 65 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: burst out for eleven runs. I believe a Christian Yelich 66 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: grand Slam. So good to see the Brewers maybe kind 67 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: of sputtering out of this. The Cardinals are in their 68 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: own little rut. It's not nearly it's much worse than 69 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: where the Brewers are right now. But each time that 70 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: these two teams play, I think it brings out for 71 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: some really compelling competitive baseball. When you're watching the Milwaukee 72 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: Brewers as we are almost one month into the regular season, 73 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: which seems crazy, what part of their game sticks out 74 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: to you that you think is a legitimate threat for 75 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: the Brewers. 76 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: The biggest threat is their back to ball. They don't 77 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: necessarily hit for power per se. But you look at 78 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: some of these wins for the Brewers and you're consistently 79 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: seeing five six strikeouts and then four or five walks, 80 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: Like their awareness of the strike zone is one of 81 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: their biggest strengths, because that's how they've been building this 82 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: team of guys that can get on base, that are 83 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: supposed to play great defense, and then be able to 84 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: steal a bag and be able to create havoc on 85 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: the base pats. They know home runs are expensive, and 86 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: that's the truth of baseball. Home runs are expensive and 87 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: strikeouts are expensive. So the Brewers operate in this market of, hey, 88 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: let's get guys that put the bat on ball, like 89 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: Bryce Terrang having another great start to a season, like 90 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: sal Friedlick, who's hitting over three hundreds still at this 91 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: point in the season, to be able to put to 92 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: get on base for those guys that are supposed to 93 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: be supplying the power right like Yellow who's got five 94 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: homers now, Like Contreras, like Hoskins, who's starting to get 95 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: going right now. And I know a lot of folks 96 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: talk about the departure of Willia Damas, and rightly so. 97 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: Thirty home runs, one hundred and twenty plus RBIs how 98 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: do you replace that? The Brewers are not going moneyball 99 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: and all we're going to replace him in the aggregat 100 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: or that sort of thing. The way they're looking at 101 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: it is, well, let's just go even deeper into the 102 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: way that we were successful in twenty twenty four, and 103 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: that is getting on base, stealing bases, and putting runners 104 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: in scoring position, because if you continue. 105 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: To do that, speed never has a bad day. 106 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: Putting the bat on ball in a second and third 107 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: and one out situation, that's still a run as opposed 108 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: to waiting on another three run homer from Willia Damas. 109 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: That's a great point. And I think watching the Brewers 110 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: last year, a bunch of us had the same realization, 111 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: including from the Cardinals. Themselves. The Brewers were such an 112 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: athletic team for the things that you just mentioned. They 113 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: played a smart brand of baseball. They were fast, they 114 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: took advantage of mistakes, and that kind of game that 115 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: they play. The Cardinals have one player who does this 116 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: very well, Victor Scott the Second. He changes the game 117 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: with his speed and his like you said, speed never 118 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: takes a day off, and his ability to know when 119 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: to use it. The Brewers, I think, have that ability 120 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: in a majority of their lineup, and that can really 121 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: help creating the offensive production like you mentioned. 122 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: And then for Victor's case too, I think of him 123 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: as a guy that also plays solid defense. I think 124 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: of Mason Wynn now that he's back from his back issues. 125 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 3: You have capable players of doing this. The difference is 126 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 3: the Brewers literally have drafted for this for years, and 127 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: they've drafted athletes, and they have drafted speed, and they 128 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: have drafted to add pieces. And they're getting Blake Perkins 129 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 3: back on the way. That's another guy that has speed, 130 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: that can play great defense, that puts bad on ball 131 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: and he's been out throughout all spring training. But I 132 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: think the point of it is in the difference, and 133 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: forgive me for already using the cliche. But the Cardinal 134 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: way has kind of shifted over here to Milwaukee, right. 135 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: I think of those classic teams of the Cardinals days. 136 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: I know Cardinals fans know what I'm talking about. Of course, 137 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: in the eighties and we can talk about eighty two, 138 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: we can talk about all those teams. But then even 139 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: in the two thousands, there were so many teams that 140 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: I think of X nine, Right, I think of the 141 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: great defensive roll in. I think of just doing the 142 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: little things right, and that leads to man, here they 143 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: are again, and that's what the Brewers have been able 144 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: to do so far. 145 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 146 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: Then, I think Cardinals fans maybe that's why we resonate 147 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: so well with how the or so much with how 148 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the Brewers played, because they're like, hey, I remember that 149 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: brand of baseball. I remember that when that was a 150 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: thing in Saint Louis. So a surprising thing for the 151 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals this year is that their rotation has actually been 152 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: pretty decent. It's everything else that has struggled. But we'll 153 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: get there. I'm looking at the probables for the Cardinals 154 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: and Brewers just got sent to me, and I have 155 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: to say it. The first two names of the Brewers 156 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: are not exactly names that I would go out there 157 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: and say, yeah, I recognize. On Friday, we're gonna see 158 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Matthew Libertore. He's done a really nice job. I think 159 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: he's thrown three to three or four quality starts so 160 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: far this year. First right hander Chad Patrick, so you're 161 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: gonna kill me in on that one. And then Saturday 162 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: we'll get Sunny Gray he's three and oh off to 163 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: a really good start this year as well against Quinn Priester. 164 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: And then the series finale on Sunday you'll see Eric Fetti, 165 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: old friend Jose Cantana three to zero with an O 166 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: nine to six ERA shoven. What do you think about 167 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: the Brewers rotation right now? 168 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: Bruce rotation is getting better, and as we record this 169 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: on Thursday, Tobias Meyers just returned to the rotation. He 170 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: was last year's diamond in the rough that nobody saw coming, 171 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: had a three ERA twenty seven games a season ago, 172 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: one hundred and forty innings. 173 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: Great in the playoffs. The rotation is getting healthy. 174 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: I think the overreaction from the first week of the 175 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: season when the Brewers get whacked out of New York 176 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: and lose the home opener to the Royals in grand fashion. Right, 177 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: you look at all these blowouts. I mean, Nester's hurt 178 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: and we don't know how much he's going to pitch 179 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: the rest of the year. He's got at flexer strain, 180 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: the same thing injury that plagued him at the end 181 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: of last regular season. He's about to be a free agent. 182 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: You can put the cards together on that one. Then 183 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: you look at not having Tobias Myers at the start 184 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: of the season. He just returned, he had an oblique strain. 185 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: You don't have Aaron Ashby, you don't have d. L. Hull, 186 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: you don't have Aaron Savali, all the seven. You look 187 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: at the top eight of the Brewers starting rotation coming 188 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: out of spring training, and quite frankly, five of them 189 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: are hurt. And it's not something most teams can absorb. 190 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: But kudos to the Brewers to be able to go 191 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: get Jose Kintana during spring training. I tweeted it a 192 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: second ago, like the other night when he was shoving 193 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: once again twenty that other teams didn't want Jose Kintana 194 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: and it took huntil the first week of spring training 195 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: for somebody to sign him and now here he is 196 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: three starts in with the sub one eer. 197 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: It's like should we send them thank you cards? 198 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: Like? 199 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: How did nobody want this guy? He is the exact 200 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: professional that you expect. Cardinals fans know it as well. 201 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: But furthermore, Chad Patrick believing in the player development pipeline 202 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: the Brewers have with their pitching development. He's the latest 203 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: case of it. Chad has been traded twice. He was 204 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: originally drafted by the Diamondback small town out of Indiana, 205 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: and then got traded for Jace Peterson to the Oakland 206 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: A's at the time, and then traded for Abraham Toro 207 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: from the Brewers to the A's to come back over 208 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: to Milwaukee. And that's looking like the steal of the 209 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 3: century to get a guy who's currently in Triple A 210 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: with the Red Sox for a guy who's probably gonna 211 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: be in irrotation for the next few years to come 212 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: cutter sinker for Seemer a rare change up to he's 213 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: here's my fastball, you try to hit it. It's an 214 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: uncomfortable ow for three where he's like, oh I saw that. 215 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: Then you look up and you're O for three. And 216 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: he didn't hit a ball hard. That's what Chad Patrick 217 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: does so well. And for Quinn Priester, Brewers had to 218 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: make a trade because of all those injuries I talked about. 219 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: They had to go make a trade with the Red 220 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: Sox who acquired him from the Pirates last year. Former 221 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: first rounder and you can say post type sleeper, that 222 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 3: sort of thing. Another example of the Brewers trusting their 223 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: pitching development, saying, hey, here's an optionable starting pitcher. Let's 224 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: bring him in, bring him into what we do, let's 225 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: develop certain things, make him right, and you blink and 226 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: here he is with the sub to eis well, he 227 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: had the command issues as of late. But the Brewers 228 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: have something working in their pitching and they're gonna keep 229 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: leaning on it. 230 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: And this is so important, I think from Cardinals fans 231 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: to hear, because four years Saint Louis has not had 232 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: adequate starting pitching depth. They have quite literally run out 233 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: where they've had seven starters, and that includes what was 234 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: available in Triple A. Last season, there was a time 235 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: where they were running out with four major league starters 236 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: and just hoping that they could do a bullpen game 237 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: or a spot start for almost an entire month because 238 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: they don't have the pitching depth in their minor league system. 239 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: That's a whole other, separate tangent. Cardinals fans know it's 240 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: part of their whole organization overhaul. But good teams like 241 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: the Brewers, like the Mets, like the Dodgers. I know, 242 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: it's completely different pay scales, but in terms of player 243 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: like play on the field and organizational depth, that's what 244 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: they have. And the Brewers are able to stay consistent 245 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: and stay relevant because they have such deep starting pitching. 246 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: The Cardinals, if they lose one to two starters, they 247 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: have virtually nobody that they can call up, which is 248 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: why that they are using this kind of six man rotation. 249 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: Steven Mattz pitched in long relief on Tuesday against the Braves, 250 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: so he will not be in this rotation through the 251 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: Brewers at least, but he will pitch again in Cincinnati. 252 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: It's because the Cardinals are trying to prolong their starting 253 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: pitching health, so they're really maximizing the six days rest. 254 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: So that's why Cardinals are doing it. You're seeing a 255 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: true hand example on what teams that actually had the 256 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: depth in their minor league system can get away with. Yeah, 257 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: I think Saint Louis would be very happy to have 258 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: a Quinn Priester or a Chad Patrick waiting in the wings. 259 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: And furthermore, the Brewers had to send down Logan Henderson, 260 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: who struck out nine in his big league debut on Sunday. 261 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: They still have Jacob Mazarowski on the way. They still 262 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: have pitchers like Casey Hunts, like Carlos Rodriguez who are 263 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: even further on this step chart that they're like, yeah, 264 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: that guy's probably gonna be a big leaguer here pretty soon. 265 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: Rodriguez made his big league debut last year, and they've 266 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: got Robert Gasser who's recovering from Tommy John surgery. This 267 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: is what the Brewers do. They focus on home grown pitching. 268 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: It's how you had that three headed monster in twenty 269 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: twenty one of Corbyn Burns winning the cy Young, Brandon 270 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: Woodrow finishing fifth, and Freddie Perralta won to finish in 271 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: the top ten. If he was a qualified arm he 272 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: had missed some starts at the end. That's all home grown. 273 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: A hundred percent of that was homegrown. This isn't by accident. 274 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: This is what David Stearn's led the foundation for now. 275 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: Obviously he's with the Mets. Mount Arnold has picked up 276 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: exactly where he left off and continues to invest on 277 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: the player development side. I think people understand, Yes, the 278 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: Brewers don't spend money on free agents, they don't spend 279 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: money in trades, they don't do that sort of thing. 280 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: But I will give Brewers all the credit in the 281 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: world for how much they've invested behind the scenes and 282 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: how much money that costs. They've got a brand new 283 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: facility down in Central Domingo. They invest in their minor leagues, 284 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: they invest in their minor league's facilities, They invest in 285 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: what they're able to do with their pitching development, with 286 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: their analysts. 287 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: And that sort of thing. 288 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: That stuff costs money too, and the Brewers have said, 289 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: you know what, let's make sure that we can continue 290 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: to churn this factory. More important than going to spend 291 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars on one guy who may or may 292 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: not perform. That's how the Brewers are operating, and because 293 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: they understand the investment it takes for pitching. 294 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: And I think that blueprint is exactly what the Saint 295 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals want to get to. It's going to take 296 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: some time. This is not something that they fix overnight. 297 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: You can certainly speak to that. It's a long, lengthy process. 298 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: And should they have started this years ago, probably they 299 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: did not. They're starting it now. It's one of heim 300 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: Bloom's big projects. 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We're 334 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: recording this on Thursday, April twenty fourth, ahead of the 335 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Brewers series finale against the Giants in San Francisco. But 336 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: looking at the standings right now, Brewers right around five hundred, 337 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: one game over, could be five hundred, could be Cardinals 338 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: holding it down with the Pirates in last ten and fifteen. 339 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Similar records there, very same records there, similar to the 340 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: Reds who are twelve and thirteen. And then we have 341 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: the Chicago Cubs six games over five hundred. I'm a 342 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: little surprised and thought the Cubs were good. I thought 343 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: the gap between Chicago and the Brewers would be a 344 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: little closer right now. But Chicago looks like a legitimate team. John, 345 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: what are you thinking about the division? 346 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: The Cubs are legit. I think the Cubs are a 347 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: great ball club. I want to make that very clear, 348 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: even though I still picked the Brewers to win the division. 349 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: Maybe that's some hometown bias that sort of thing, But 350 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: here's why the Cubs are legit now. Justin Seal going 351 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: down is going to be a massive impact to them. 352 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: Do they go get somebody on the trade market? Are 353 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: they the ones that make to splash the pot and 354 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: go in and get Sandy al Contra or something like that. 355 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: But the Cubs can hit in Holy Cow. This is 356 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: a different ofference than we've seen from them in years past. 357 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: Last year just felt never felt like they got going. 358 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: Dancy Swanson had a tough year. Cody Bellinger obviously is 359 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: no longer. He had some injuries here as well. Say 360 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: Suzuki never really got going for them either. He was 361 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: the only guy that really had positive offense, and Ian 362 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: happ has been just a steady force. But now you 363 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: throw in Kyle Tucker. I've been a big fan of 364 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: what Miguel Amaia and Carson Kelly have been doing like 365 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: holy cow out of their catching corps. And then on 366 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: top of all of that, too, you've got Nico Horner 367 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: healthy again. You've got Pete crow Armstrong playing like a 368 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: future All Star that he's going to be. They're a 369 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: dangerous club, but their number one achilles heel is their bullpen. 370 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: And you can hit, and you can hit, and you 371 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: can hit, but if you're playing ten to nine games 372 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: all season long, that bullpen is going to be out 373 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: of gas by June. So that's something I'm monitoring with 374 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: the Cubs as something that Bruce can side and say, well, 375 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: does good pitching beat good hitting? This is the age 376 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: old forever question we'll always going to see in this 377 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: game because Bruce, they struggle offensively, That's no doubt. That's 378 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: the biggest calling card about the Brewers flaws. But these 379 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: two teams will meet next weekend for the first time 380 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: here in Milwaukee, and I think both teams are going 381 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: to find out a lot about themselves because now the 382 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: Cubs are done with that West Coast all done with 383 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks, are done with the Padres, are done with 384 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, but now they're going to finally start facing 385 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: their own division and seeing the Brewers for both of 386 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: these teams are like, okay, how good are we really? 387 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: Definitely, and this is this upcoming series between the Cardinals 388 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: and the Brewers is both teams just their second time 389 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: matching up against division opponents. So the Cardinals don't really 390 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: know what the enel central is either. I will say 391 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting you want to talk about an achilles heel 392 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: being the bullpen. Well, Saint Louis certainly knows that we 393 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: broke down all of the bullpen issues, decisions controversy on 394 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Thursday with the episode with Bernie michlss. So check it 395 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: out Cardinals territory fans. But this bullpen will make or 396 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: break you. The Cardinals have had this problem pretty much 397 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: all year long, and bullpens are so volatile and relief 398 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: pitchers are so finicky, and not just between the season, 399 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: but honestly between weeks. Sometimes they have it, sometimes they don't. 400 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: But for a Cardinals bullpen that was so locked down 401 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: in the majors last year, for them to come up, 402 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: and outside of Brian Helsley, Phil Mayton, who they signed 403 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: with three weeks left in spring training, and Kyle Lahy, 404 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: those are three guys you trust out of eight possible spots. So, Cubs, 405 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: if that is the issue that you are having, then 406 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: I'd be side with you, Dominic. I just feel like 407 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: it's far too early to tell. And I agree, well, 408 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: when we look at the Cubs and the Brewers and 409 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: that matchup, will have a little bit better idea of 410 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: how the team stack up against each other. But I 411 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: still think this division is pretty wide open. 412 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: I think it is wide open. 413 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: I do think it is mainly between those two, the 414 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 3: Brewers and the Cubs. The Reds, I always want to 415 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: believe in them, but they always. 416 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: Discope with me same every year. 417 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: You should be so much better than this, And I 418 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: think the Reds are going to learn this year. I 419 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: texted this to a friend of mine who's a big 420 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: Reds fan, said, the Reds are going to learn this 421 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: year with the Cubs learned last year. 422 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: Just changing managers, just and change the roster. 423 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: And they're going to get under Tito's tutelage. He's going 424 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: to be great for that role, just like I believe 425 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: Krek counsel is going to be just fine in Chicago. 426 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't think anybody expected 427 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: the Cubs to be flirting with five hundred in year 428 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: one of corek council. But then you look at the 429 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 3: roster and it's like, okay, yeah, that does make sense. Actually, 430 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: So for this division, God, can we get Paul Skiing 431 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: some help down in Pittsburgh. 432 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: God, Saint Louis, can you do this rebuild? Right? 433 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: Like, there's just so many headlines that aren't Is this 434 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: team good? Which is kind of what brings everybody down 435 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: about the NL Central, right, Like how often we have 436 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: to defend the NL Central. No, No, the Cubs and 437 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: Brewers are good teams. Just just trust us, and then 438 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: they don't get out of the first round, so it's 439 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: likely they're good, but we can't defend it forever. 440 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: And all Central, you're not helping your cause here with 441 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: all these early playoff exits and they usually get one 442 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: team in there anyway. So I'm excited to see how 443 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: this is, how this place, this division looks in June 444 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: or so. I don't expect the Cardinals to I actually 445 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: have no idea what I expect the Cardinals anymore. It's 446 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: riding this roller coaster for this transition season. We finished 447 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: against you know, had a homestand against the Phillies and 448 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: the Astros, and I I was leaving, I was talking 449 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: to a couple of friends and I was like, you know, 450 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: maybe this team is a little bit better than people 451 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: are giving them credit for. And then they go one 452 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: and six on the road and it just everything goes 453 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: off the rails and I'm like, I don't know, I 454 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: don't know anything. 455 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: So well, you fit hot team in the Mets best 456 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: record in baseball, okay. And then the Braves, you knew 457 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: they were gonna stay zero to seven all year long, 458 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: and they're finally getting going and they're finally feeling like themselves. 459 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: And he had the spice of the Jared Kelnick stuff 460 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 3: and they're starting to come together. It's odd howse stuff 461 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: like that can kind of bring a team closer and 462 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 3: get them going better. When I look at the Cardinals 463 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong here, it's just like 464 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 3: these kids. I mean, having Mason back is going to 465 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: be huge, but it's like the kids can prove these 466 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: third fourth year guys like, Okay, this is gonna be 467 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: my team here pretty soon. I better start performing, And 468 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: they're finding out how hard that is to do when 469 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: you're suddenly the guy on the scouting report that's like, okay, 470 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 3: circle that guy, figure out how to get him out 471 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: and it just hasn't got going for them yet. 472 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's pretty much what it is. This is 473 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: the whole point of their transition season, right is to 474 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: run these guys out every single day, regardless of like 475 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: individual results, and hope they figure it out because when 476 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: John Mozaylock steps down and Heim Bloom takes over, he's 477 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: going to want to know which pieces to build around. 478 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: So in prior years, if someone like a Jordan Walker 479 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: or a Nolan Gorman struggled, they would be optioned or 480 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: they would have their playing time cut, which is what 481 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: you do when you're trying to win ball games. The 482 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals are trying to see how they can win ball 483 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: games in the future, not necessarily right now. So they're 484 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: going to run guys that they're like Jordan Walker, who 485 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: is slumping heavily over the last two weeks. They're going 486 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: to keep running out Nolan Gorman. In fact, Olie Marma 487 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: went out over the Atlanta Braves series and said, we 488 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: are going to give Gorman a little bit of a 489 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: run here because we need to see what he has. 490 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: If he's in proved his contact rate. They're going to 491 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: continue running out guys relievers like Jojo Romero and Ryan Fernandez, 492 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: because it's about finding ways to adapt in the big leagues. 493 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Does it make for some maddening, frustrating baseball games, Absolutely, 494 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: But this was the whole premise of the Cardinals coming 495 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty five season. See what we have 496 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: so we know what we can build with in the future. 497 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: Far too early to tell on April twenty fourth what 498 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: future pieces look like, but I will say it's not 499 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: been the best month. April has not been the best 500 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: month to start the season. 501 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: You are dealing with a bunch of guys who were 502 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: performing like Jackson Curio in the first half of last season, 503 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: and the Brewers said, hey, there's nothing for him to 504 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 3: learn in Triple A. He's either going to sing or 505 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: swim here in the big leagues. And he obviously eventually 506 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: started the swim. And that's what Cardinals fans, I think 507 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: are hoping right now, to say the least. 508 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the fact is not every single 509 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: player is going to rise and prosper here. That's just 510 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: the unfortunate reality. And if they do, then all of 511 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, this rebuild or transition or whatever we're calling 512 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: it is looking a lot less short. But I think 513 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: it's so hard in Saint Louis because this is the 514 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: first time that they've done anything like this, and Cardinals 515 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: fans have been conditioned to expect a certain quality of 516 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: baseball for decades, and that quality of baseball right now 517 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: was not up to their standard. And you go you 518 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: tie that into a front office and an ownership that 519 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: did not spend They spent two million dollars of the 520 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: entire offseason on the Mayton deal. They tried to trade 521 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: many of their players. They did not bring back key 522 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: players like Paul Golshm and Andrew Kittridge. And you're seeing that. 523 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be shocked to see what this series 524 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: looks like. A week and serious against the Brewers in April, 525 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: with the weather supposed to be relatively okay, it's been 526 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: a pretty empty ballpark, and I think that fan apathy 527 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: is really setting in, especially after this last road trip. 528 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: And the Blues in the playoffs. Too, right, So that's 529 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: not gonna help things either. So it's just things that 530 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: we're monitoring. 531 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: Go Stars. 532 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 3: By the way, I'm a big Stars guys. They won 533 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 3: an overtime again last night, so. 534 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: You gotta get the podcast an LGB. I say this 535 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: like I know anything about hockey. Boy, let's go all right, 536 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: welcome back to the division real quick. First message from 537 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: fandel Sports Network me out to my band Drill Sports Work. 538 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, watch these bingers and rbs. 539 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: I'm just glad I am my local duel for Roo 540 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: re group for the Cardinal. 541 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: Duels Sports now card the Birds. 542 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm that banger has been stuck in my head for 543 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: like two days, so I. 544 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: Have it here too. Obviously. 545 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm employed by FanDuel Sports Network in part, so 546 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 3: I can't say anything. 547 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: It's it's I wish, I don't know. I think baseball 548 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: has just completely warped my mind, as you know all 549 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: too well, at this point of the season. Just what 550 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: it is. 551 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: We're already at this point in April, Katie, I'm worried 552 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: for your well being. 553 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: Then we should be worried about my well being for 554 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: a lot of things. All right, big three game series, 555 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: as big as you can get in April, we're looking 556 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: for our Fandel Sports Network player to watch. Who are 557 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: you watching from this Brewer squad coming up? 558 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 3: It's got to be Bryce Terrang. He has been awesome 559 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: so far this season. Even though the Cardinals are starting 560 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: a lefty on Friday and Librator, he's probably gonna be 561 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: in the top of the lineup. And I think of 562 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: when Bryce Terrang first came up in the big leagues, 563 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: he was not allowed to see a lefty at all. 564 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: Then last year started to get a little bit more 565 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: against lefties. Now this year he's taken another leap forward. 566 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: We call it the quantum leap. Last year he can 567 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: he needs to improve. He calls it man's strength. He's 568 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: twenty five years old now, he's a man now, right. 569 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: But he has been awesome this season, a true traditional 570 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: leadoff man. 571 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: Fifty stolen bases a year ago. 572 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: Believe he's at seven right now, well on his way 573 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: to try to do it again. 574 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: So you're telling me that an organization can have a 575 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: second basement and not put tune him. And then all 576 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden, and. 577 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: It took some teeth pulling. 578 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: It took a lot of teeth pulling, but they eventually 579 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: relented and look at what they've got now. 580 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, see, Cardinals fans, there's there is hope. I think 581 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: the player I'm want to watch from this series from 582 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the Brewers is Kintana. I mean, just a full disclosure. 583 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: I really liked him when when he was a Cardinal 584 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: for two months, and I think they really wanted to 585 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: bring him back. Well I think some did, not the 586 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: front office. And it baffles me how Kintana continuously post 587 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: year after year. Is not just a like quality starter, 588 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: but he's not a one or two obviously, but he's 589 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you put into the upper 590 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: part of your rotation and he's a difference maker. 591 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: And every year, yeah. 592 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: No one picks him up. I don't get it. 593 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: It's the nerdification of our sport, right, and I'm a nerd. 594 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: I'll put my hand up on that too. 595 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: But it's like, oh, we want a guy that throws 596 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: ninety five, and we want to call up our kid 597 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 3: that doesn't know where it's going, that throws ninety eight. 598 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 3: Well it's like, but here's a guy that can give 599 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: you one hundred and forty innings no problem, drop of 600 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 3: a hat has been doing it. 601 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 2: For thirteen years. 602 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: Why don't you want this guy? He's like, we want 603 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: our own guy, controllable. I'm so glad the Brewers are 604 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: the ones that finally did this, and it took a 605 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: lot of convincing from Pat Murphy. From Mann't Pat Murphy 606 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: was the one champion, hote. I've seen this guy shove 607 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: against us for years and years and years. Bring him 608 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: on our side and see what happened that. It's a 609 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: great pick, Katie. 610 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Pat Murphy a big asu. 611 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: Guy, Big devils here go, Yeah, big. 612 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Devils, Big Devil's on podcast for us? 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Visit fandelsportsnetwork dot com for details. 620 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: My friend, I wish we were in Milwaukee so I 621 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: could see you, but that will happen in June Milwaukee 622 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: my favorite my I think my second favorite. 623 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: Road city one New York, San Francisco. 624 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so Milwaukee is my third favorite city. 625 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a feeling, yeah. 626 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: Like a road city because I get to go home. 627 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: But Chicago and San Diego are up there too. Milwaukee though, 628 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: sneaky fun. You know, I love that public market. 629 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: It's so we're literally right over here. 630 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go stop buying grabs some lunch here in 631 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: a little bit there. Milwaukee sneaky, great city. I know 632 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: Saint Louis fans hate to hear it. And I'll actually 633 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: be in Saint Louis at the end of the year 634 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: in September for that final home road weekend that the 635 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: Bruis have. 636 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: So I think September is the right time to see 637 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: Saint Luis. 638 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't really know if there's a good 639 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: time to visit weather wise. 640 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a coin flip, but you know, we 641 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: got a roof on it, so we don't got to 642 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: worry about that here. 643 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be nice. I've seen the tarp way 644 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: way more than I've really wanted to. Dom my friend, 645 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this. Where can we 646 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: find your work. Where can we follow you? 647 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. 648 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: So I'm on ex Twitter, the everything app whatever we're 649 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: calling it at dom Underscore Katronio, same spelling as the 650 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: name right here. I'm on Instagram sparingly dom Brewers base 651 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: It's dom ce Baseball on Instagram. It's mostly Bruce centered content, 652 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: but on pre and post game almost every Bruise game 653 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: this year. Here on six to twenty w TAMJ here 654 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: locally Milwaukee, all the podcasts, all that stuff. There are 655 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: not many dominant patronios in the world, and quite frankly, 656 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: google me and it usually works out perfect. 657 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: Love that for you. Thank you so much again for 658 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: doing this. We will talk soon. Cardial Territory. We're going 659 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: to be back with you after the Brewer series. Thanks 660 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: as always for watching.