WEBVTT - UNCC Head Football Coach Will Healy 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to It with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.680 Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John and this 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.920 is cut to it. Good do it, Good do it. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.520 They's get down to do it. Good do it. We 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.880 asked the questions you always want to know, but no 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:29.040 one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.800 am about it? Then we're about to let you know. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:47.319 It's all. I'm ready, Yeah, good, mhm, what's going on? 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:52.720 What's going on? Steve? What's going on? I'm good? You 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.800 hit me with three? What's going on? I did not know? 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:56.760 You got it? Sometimes you gotta switch it up, man. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.720 You don't want things to be stale. Yeah that's true. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.280 How are you? Man? I'm doing good? Yeah. What's your 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:04.920 energy level at right now? On the scale of one 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.440 to team? I don't know, Probably low because I don't 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.960 even know. All right, It's okay. Well, man, we're gonna 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.720 go into the archives a little bit. We hadn't done 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.399 codes and in a while, but man, I think it's 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:23.959 big dummy time. So we're gonna take this down to 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.600 Florida in clear water. Hold on, hold on, hold on 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.480 our social media manager has found our big dummy. So 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.319 shout out to uh, absolutely shout out to Peyton. Peyton 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.520 Smith doing the research for us, are leading our research team, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:44.120 research team, and one he found the story. Yeah, I'm trying. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.400 Don't hype it. Don't overhype it because he'll start start 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.760 pounding up. Yeah, he'll start smelling himself. So. Down in 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.800 clear Water, Florida, twenty seven year old Herbert McClellan is 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.120 accused of swiping more than a dozen and scratch off 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.559 lottery tickets from a local speedway, then trying to cash 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.200 in the ticket at the same store. So hold on, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.640 he swiped them, that means he stole him. Clarification, I 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.239 know what it means, but somebody may be listening and said, well, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:21.440 he swiped him. So police say that McClellan strolled into 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.200 the convenience store around two am on Tuesday. Listen what 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:33.200 they say. Nothing good happens after midding no um. So 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.440 he strolled into the convenience store around two m on Tuesday, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.520 and while the worker behind the counter was caught up 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.080 doing something else, McClellan reached over and took thirteen scratch 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.200 offs worth just over a hundred all this. Let me 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.320 tell you where you went wrong. Okay, he took the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:53.160 wrong number, so it was not lucky, unlucky. I'm lucky. See, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.920 you can't steal and take the wrong number. You know 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:03.440 what that is when you're just starting. That's a big 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:08.440 dummy nicole. But dumny. But but the story don't stop there. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.040 So he's there's small, Yeah, there's there's tail. So he 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.680 left out the store police say, And apparently he couldn't 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.600 wait to see if any of his tickets were winners. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.359 One was. It was worth thirty dollars. So a few 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.440 hours later he showed back up. Hold on, hold on, 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.960 I got bo peeing out. Let me let you all 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:36.920 two am right now, still both be at that's a 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.440 bad number anyway. Only thirteen I want is millions. Other 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:46.280 than that, I want nothing else. Thirteen tickets at two 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.800 am a few hours? So is this few? Is just 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:55.560 our few? So few as two? No, a couple of 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:01.480 fews like four or five, three or four? Okay, a 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:06.360 little quick math click click your internal calculator, yes, my 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.960 internal calculator. So dumbass came back about five a m. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.160 Same day. Okay, we're probably wearing the same clothes, so 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.599 back up at the same speedway so convenience store to 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.040 cash it in per police. So, according to the jail records, 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.719 was charged with petty theft. You said per police. That 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.520 means they got him. So he came back in the store, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.080 workers called the police and the police arrested him because 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.040 he tried to cash him in for thirty dollars at 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.280 the same store, stole a hundred dollars worth, got thirty, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.480 went to jail over well, he made it. He did 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.640 make a profit because it was free. I figured discount 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.320 and then he made thirty dollars and now you gotta 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.440 make bail. Now you gotta make bail. So all in all, 0:04:55.480 --> 0:05:03.920 it wasn't worthy because he was It's tough times right now, man, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.200 you gotta you gotta get it how you live. But 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.640 I don't think this was orchestrated. Herbert, first of all, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:18.640 the Herbster. The Herbster is in the slammer who names 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.680 their child Herbert? That must be a family name. I 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.160 ain't hating on the name Herbert. I'm hating on the 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.800 way that he planned this out. That just went more well. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:33.160 After he gets released from jail, Herbert will be now hermit, Hermit, 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.040 Herbert the Hermit, because now he can't go to a 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.320 speedway he did? Did they not tell you? He also 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:46.479 has a lifetime band from all speedway community stores. So 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:52.120 he is the recipient of our big dummy work. You 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.760 big as dummy. Yeah, that's tragic, right, there's hate it 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:03.680 for you, Herbert. Uh, that's what you get, stupid goodness. Gracious, 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.799 you know what I read this quote? Life is hard, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:13.280 but it's harder when you're stupid. That's cold blood, Rick James. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.599 Think about it. Life is hard where we are right now. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.880 Life is hard, and then when you do stupid stuff, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.760 it makes life compounded. It makes life so much harder. So, hey, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.600 I don't know your struggle, Herbert, but I know your 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:35.200 struggle now, brother. And look those thirteen lottery tickets got 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.760 you now pent up into jail, backed into a corner, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:45.600 making sure your bunk mate, Debo, don't take your lottery tickets. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.160 So hat it for me one more time, big dummy? 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.160 Can you? You're a big dumming? Hey who we got 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:03.200 on the show. It ain't Herbert, damn so late coming 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.880 up on the cut to a podcast We've got Will Heally, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.360 the current coach of the Charlotte forty Niners football team. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.640 A former FCS Culture of the Year, he led un 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.160 C Charlotte to their first Bowl appearance in their program's history. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:26.960 Will Heally on the cut to a podcast. Our first segment, coach, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.920 is called get iced Up, So it is basically our 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.360 version of icebreakers. You don't know what's coming. We got 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.000 some pre selected questions that me and him talked about. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.120 You don't know what's coming on. Uh So there may 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.840 or may not be a follow up, and Smithie go 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.800 ahead and give him the first one. I'm ready. Alright, 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.440 bug what I'm saying, I don't know why? All right, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.400 here we go, Here we go. If you had an 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.840 extra hour, a free time a day, what would you 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:58.600 use it to do? I would The politically correct answer 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.560 is I was fitting with my family if I if 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:05.560 it was just me, I'd play golf. Yeah too, pretty 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.800 normal answer. Yeah that's good. You know southern? Are you 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:15.360 from the south, right? Yeah? Tenn Where's Uda Wah right 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.000 next to Chattanooga. It's about fifteen minutes north of Chattanooga, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:22.560 heading towards Knoxville. Okay, yeah, alright, so I understand you're golfer. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.400 I'm a little bit of golfer. You know, hey, I 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.520 can tear up some grass. I take credit. You shot 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.040 at eighty five the other day. You're doing good. Where 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.040 did you do that? Where do we play, Joe? Ocean? 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.800 Ocean course, ocean now, yeah, where they're having the p 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.320 GA next. So I played that this summer, my wife, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.800 would you shoot me that? I played all the way 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:48.280 from the tips, all right, I went back back back, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.240 all right and walk the thing. Well, you only can 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.280 walk if you disable, so you don't get on brownie 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.160 points for walking that you can take a card after 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:01.040 ten because I found that out too. Your mother Joe, 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.040 do you know what? Because Joe was with a black 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:08.920 dude always holding So I shot. I shot eighty four. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.839 I blew up on the back, shot thirty seven on 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:17.640 the front. There you go, struggled, struggled, struggled coming in. Well, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.040 it's so long, got the best. It throws you off 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.960 because you're going fast. I literally hit a shot from 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.960 the beach on one of the last couple of holes, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.719 like I founded so far right on the beach. I'm 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.440 off saying I'm not going that far. I'maying I'm good now. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.520 I wanted to I wanted to shot myself. I wanted 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.200 to challenge myself. Okay, cool, all right, what are you 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.959 most thankful for? Family? For sure? I got to unbelieve 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.360 a wife. I met her in seventh grade. Uh, have 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.120 two kids, five year old boy and almost two year 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.319 old boy, and uh they're awesome. I love being name 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:57.520 Eli and Winn when when all I do is win, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.560 w w y n N. It was the meaning behind those. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.880 We had some friends in Chattanooga that like, we we 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.640 just heard them. You know, hey, we liked this name 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.440 and we stole it from him. It was really what 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.800 it was like. We we heard the name, we liked it. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.200 So it's when Livingston. Livingston's my middle name, so we 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.120 used my school. Yeah, and then we got William Elliott. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.160 Uh we call him Eli. So yeah, they're awesome. Cool. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.319 I what's your biggest pet peeve? And why? Negativity? I 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.120 freaking hate it. Um. I don't want to be around 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.160 negative people. UM. I think it drains you. It's energy 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.720 sucking um. And I feel like you can find something 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.040 positive about everything. So as a coach, you gotta be 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.079 around negative people. What do you do to adjust? Well? 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.560 I think you have to show him what is negative, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.600 And why is it important to be positive? You know? 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.400 I mean, to me, it's life changing when you can 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.840 find ways to you know, find something positive in everything 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.719 and if that's your mindset, And to me, it's kind 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.920 of an accountability and a positivity deal, like the account 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:03.600 of ability of finding yourself at fault with any given 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.240 situation and then the positivity of saying, Okay, I've got 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.600 control over it, so I can fix it instead of 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.040 the coach screwed me or it's a bad situation or 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.160 whatever it is, Like, what could I do differently to 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.040 make sure the coach had no choice but play me? 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.600 And then how can I find positivity in this time 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.520 of struggle? You got to bos some of that stuff 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.440 up and write a book. You don't do that because 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.240 I'm a dud buk half of I'm a former player. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:32.440 I don't that. So you're born raised in the South, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:40.240 so you have those Southern you know, obliging walk you know, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:46.600 a woman or older hospitality, break it down, hospitality. So 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.640 you you're walking into the store or building, older lady 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.560 or younger lady, doesn't matter. Woman goes in. You open 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.800 the door, correct, correct? All right? When you open up 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.040 the door, right at the crack of the frame of 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.960 the door. You look down and there's a fifty dollar bill. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:12.600 Do you, ma'am she dropped it. I didn't say she dropped. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.720 You got you gotta feeling that feeling. You open up 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.240 the door. You see you she goes. She takes about 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.280 ten fifteen steps. You know, you stop. You look down 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.120 for some reason, there's fifty dollars right there at your foot. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.120 Do you ask her as it hers? Do you chase 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:38.360 her down? Or do you keep it moving? I can 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.280 one tell you I would chase her down and ask 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:42.959 her if it was hers, and if it was not, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.320 I would give it to somebody at the store, because 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.600 somebody's coming back for fifty bucks. Oh, he doubled down 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:53.800 on being the Southern. I believe I can answer that. Hey, 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.079 I would have done be pro I just said I 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.800 would have. I probably would have chased her down. She 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.800 said not, it's not my money. That's in my pocket. Okay, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.880 we're giving somebody who needs it. We're keep it in 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:12.240 my pocket. I'm not judging. I've done every cardinal sin 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.920 in the book. I've done. I promise what was your 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.600 what's your was? Bro? That's a that's a shoulder tap 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:27.880 from the lower I'm so seed, the Lord said, I 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:34.920 love what you just did. And thank you Jesus. My 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.000 money clip and keep it moving, thank you Jesus. Part 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.840 as what saved you. I guess on it. I don't 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.120 care what you're talking about. Look, so we got varying degrees. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:54.560 And thank Jesus. Chasing that lady you're talking about, she 0:13:54.679 --> 0:14:01.920 dropped it while I'm from come up? That is? Hey, Lord, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.200 I need you today? Bank? That's that? What do you 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:13.679 say if you ask it? I don't know why that 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.520 took me? All right, coach you ready, look just listen, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.920 we got we gotta look. Let me just show you. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.160 I got you. We got you in studios, so we 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.840 we love it. We we think it's awesome. I got 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.840 four or five pages right of all this stuff. I'm 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.400 gonna tell you right now, I could rip it all up. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.160 You know what I want to know. We're gonna use 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.360 our baseline of some of the things that we have, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.440 and then we're just gonna let you convers right. Um, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:44.720 so really are our standards always? Where are you from 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:50.000 in a place that you call hometown? Your hometown? Yeah? 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:55.080 I um, I mean stop lights? Uh it's I mean, 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.160 we got Walmart, we got Chick fil A, we got y'all. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.120 That's a that's a metropolitans. So when when we moved there, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.640 it wasn't that way. It had a golden gallon, Uh, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.080 in a waffle house, golden gallon, which is a gas 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.440 station and in a waffle house. But but now it's 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.200 it's uh, it's it's a booming metropolis. Uh. I moved 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.040 there when I was five. I had two older brothers, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.200 once eight years older, once ten years older. And uh, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.240 middle brother was getting into some trouble um and so 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.600 we moved as far away as we could where he 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:32.120 could get his act together. And so uh grew up there. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.480 And uh and and I mean that's that's still where 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.400 my parents are, still their same house I grew up in, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.400 was it? So? What was your favorite team growing up 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.480 as a kid? Any sport? I was? My dad, uncle, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.320 and granddad all played at Georgia Tech. So I grew 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.880 up a huge Georgia Tech fan. Joe Hamilton's and Stepharberry 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.200 and he went fall. Basketball was my deal. I mean 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.480 I did not miss a basketball or football game. Like No, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.320 I didn't always go to Atlanta, but I was gonna 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.240 watch it or listen to it or star beery. He 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.560 was nice back then. Most people forget he went to 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:15.920 Georgia Tech. Yeah yeah, and and uh Drew Drew Barry 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.960 Matt Harpring was a stud. Uh you know, and then 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.960 the glory days of Big Bad Joe Hamilton's. That was 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.000 my guy. Joe Hamilton's my favorite college no offense, my 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.360 favorite college football player of all time. He wants you 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:35.200 to be offended. So I grew up watching. Are you 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.800 trying to say you only have one black fan or friend? 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.480 H my, my, the guys who made me want to 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:48.000 play quarterback where Joe Hamm, Charlie Ward, and Tommy Fraser. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.480 Those were my three dudes. Tommy Fraser to two amazing 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.560 running quoteback options. I'm gonna get a flak for this one. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.920 You named all people that you are not well. You know, 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.880 I wanted to be there. The boys was athletic. Yeah, 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.439 I'm looking at I saw a coach walking the building. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:14.120 I'm stereotyped. I passing, shall not hey, they told shall 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:19.000 not be unrealistic? Keeper you do? You're a football coach? 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.639 You you used the eye test. I wouldn't recruit myself. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:29.240 I know, that people ask me why. People people saying, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:30.840 why are you get into coaching? Because I wasn't good 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.119 enough to keep playing. I mean that's the truth. Like 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.680 I know, I wouldn't recruit myself right now. Uh but 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.880 I mean I'm okay with that. I know who I am. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.200 I know my you know, I know my limit. Thought 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.159 it was cool. It's like, but you can't want to 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.119 be that person. I know, but I'm just trying to 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.200 Those were that. Those were those dudes seventy eight years old. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:50.840 I didn't know I wasn't gonna be there. I thought 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:55.600 I was okay, I don't but I mean, think about it. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.600 They will cut you off. That was my listening face. 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.360 Joe Hamilton was say five ten alvin South Carolina quarterback 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.440 that you know was not highly recruited. I love football, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.679 and when you name the people you're talking about, Charlie 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.760 War was on the War I thought for me and 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.800 some nick fans would agree, some probably wouldn't. It was 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.639 remarkable his career in basketball that he had compared to 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.560 I thought he was a dynamic football player as well. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.040 I thought for sure he was always and then he 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:36.040 had all that's amazing the fact that that dude could 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.680 leave the game of football and go have that not 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:46.720 like he wasn't. And I'm saying a long career and 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.040 like he just had a three year career he had 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.480 He was like, so that's why. And then I grew up. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.800 Tommy Frazer, uh rest his soul and all the stuff 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.640 that he had to deal with. The Lawrence Phillips that 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.640 that whole Nebraska they were in that option. Like when 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.560 you're saying these individuals, I'm like, wow, that's that I'm 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.320 exaggerating now, have been like you saying, man, you know 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.840 love Roger Craig, which I love. But there are some 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.359 things where you generally, I believe, especially as young kids, 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:29.239 little boys, you you gravitate or show favoritism to the 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:34.919 people you believe athletically you can emulate or resemble. And 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.879 that's that's why I kind of kind of joking. But 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.800 there's you know, there are something like for me playing 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.480 wide receiver, want to be a wide receiver. There are 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.800 some wide receivers that I'm like, like, uh, was it 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.159 read that played with Minnesota or um Herman Moore like 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.720 some of those taller receivers. No, No, I mean I'm 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.679 in a you know, the short man. Uh category. So 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.639 I did welcome we meet on Tuesdays. I didn't really 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.439 I want to emulate those guys because I you know, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.760 I had to feel and I wasn't gonna be six 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.760 five right. So, and that's why the Joe Hamilton's story 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.720 for me was like, so that's cool. It's small, dude, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.960 you know, for your starter, I mean, made Georgia tech cool, 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.800 made Georgie tech super cool. Because right after they right 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.720 after he left, they went back to reality. 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So young 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.640 Will was watching Joe Hamilton's and Georgia Tech. How did 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.720 your upbringing shape your view on how you see the 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:28.800 world today? You know, I think that sports really helped 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:33.280 me get get a much better view of what how 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.800 I see the world today than probably anything I ever 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:40.600 had from my my background. My mom's from America's Georgia. Uh, 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:47.000 America's it's uh Sumter County, Georgia's South Georgia, like south 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.480 South Georgia. That's like North Florida, like near Albany or 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:57.879 you know what, America's Georgia. I was like America's Georgia. Ship. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:05.399 I'm not that guy. Uh help us, Joe, help us, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.480 help us. But I got panic. I was like, damn, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:16.639 no more Americus c us. That's why that's why I asked. 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.520 I appreciate you clearing that all, because we right before 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.200 we lost about a hundred and fifty followers just off that. No. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.600 It was like what no, uh and so I mean 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.600 for me, it was like I got I Mean, the 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.960 thing I love most about my profession right now is 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.000 that it's not typically what a white guy from Utahwah, 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.159 Tennessee with that lived on the lake and went to 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:42.400 private school was not the the world that typically most 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.800 of my friends are living in my brothers. You know, um, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.800 I think that it's you know, it's it just gives 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.960 you an appreciation for people of all different backgrounds, of 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.400 all different beliefs. Uh you. I mean I get asked 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.159 the question all the time. If you weren't coaching football, 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.680 what did you do? I mean, I be fine doing 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.680 something else, Like I I love football, but football is 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.400 not my life. I mean, if my deal is, there's 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.000 nothing else I would choose to do because of the 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.639 relationships I have with people who are we we we 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.600 don't have if you found us, if you saw us 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.760 both on the street there, you would no way in 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.840 the world those two people are are best friends. And 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:25.080 that's what sports special. I mean. The church doesn't even 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.080 do that right now, right, I mean, the the church 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.800 is the most segregated, one of the most segregated areas 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.720 in the United States. You put a jersey on, right, 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.600 and you've got differences, and we still have bickering and 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.280 to our staff fights like like we're brothers. I get it. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.080 But if you gave me one person to go drink 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:42.879 beer with and go hang out with, it would be 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:48.520 the people on our staff and that's that's that's not normal. Brothers. 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:53.679 My brother's perception and life experiences of change because of 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.760 what I've gone through with sports, you know, like the 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.800 teammates that I have, the my best friends, the coaches 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.760 that I work with, their perception has changed in a 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.720 very white world, you know, like they get to see 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.040 a different side and have different experiences. And I think 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.159 that's why judgment has made is based on your experiences. 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.160 My experiences have been different because of sports. Can we 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:17.920 go there then? Just love to you you given us 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:23.120 this opportunity because there are times, uh, you know, we've 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.639 had a number of guys on We had Michael uh 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.880 Malcolm Jenkins, and he discussed what it was for him 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:33.800 to be um go to all black school and then 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:38.280 when he went to public school where he he saw 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:43.480 and experienced things at the public school that he didn't 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.600 really know any different until he was outside, when he 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:50.320 got outside of his box, right and and a black box, 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:56.439 right and and and so there are times where people 0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:01.920 say things of no matter who it is, where they go, Well, 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.320 there's no such thing as systemic racism. You know, everybody's 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:10.399 created equal, everybody's the same. But the truth of the 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:14.800 matter isn't. I'm in an interracial relationship with my wife. 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.800 Me and her been married twenty years, We have four kids. 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:24.080 She was born and raised in Utah. Our relationship hasn't 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:29.560 always been accepted in her family. But yet when we walk. 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:35.480 We used to walk around in Utah in two thousand, 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.920 two thousand one where it's like they look at me, 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.120 they look at my wife, they look at my son, 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.080 then they look back at me. And I used to 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:49.440 always like, do we look alike? Right? And so um, 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.240 but also left. Some of people in my family also 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.399 told me, right, don't go to Utah, may and a 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:02.240 white woman, right, and that that was tough. Right. But 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:06.400 I grew up in l A, which is so much diversity, 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.720