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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Friday edition of the Giants Hottle Podcast,

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Speaker 4: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Hello everybody, I am John Schmel. Thank you for being

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Speaker 4: with us. If the audio quality sounds a little bit off, folks,

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Speaker 4: it's because I'm recording this at home. Had to go

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Speaker 4: stomach flu. It's not good. Uh feen a little bit better.

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Speaker 4: I'm recording this on on Friday morning, but still kind

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Speaker 4: of out of it. But we just recorded Stephen Holder

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Speaker 4: from the Athletic from ESPN rather that that he used

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Speaker 4: to be with the Athletic that covers the Colts. Paul

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Speaker 4: Deatino is gonna pinch it for me on Friday. He's

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Speaker 4: gonna interview Elijah Chapman. That'll be on today's show and

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Speaker 4: then Bob Pop and Crawl Banks with Brian Dable as

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Speaker 4: we usually have on the Friday pod. So let's get

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Speaker 4: to it. We're gonna lead off with Elijah Chapman, who's

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Speaker 4: had to step into a bigger role in the d

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Speaker 4: defensive line with the injury to Derek Dexter Lawrence and

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Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, Unie as Roachez Nacho. He's back now,

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Speaker 4: but talk to Chapman about his season, his development. Andre

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Speaker 4: Patterson is defensive line coach that and a whole lot more.

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Speaker 4: With the great Paul Deatino, we.

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Speaker 5: Are joined by a rookie defensive lineman, the lines of

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Speaker 5: a Chapman out of SMU, undrafted rookie free agent. And

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Speaker 5: I think the thing that really makes me happy this

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Speaker 5: year is that I have seen you and I'm not

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Speaker 5: going to jink you now. You are the only defensive

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Speaker 5: lineman who has played in every single game the Giants

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Speaker 5: have played this season. You may not even be aware

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Speaker 5: of that. Yeah I was, But because all the other

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Speaker 5: guys have been nicked up, you have been able to

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Speaker 5: experience an awful lot during your rookie season and now

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Speaker 5: here it is. You're a survivor. You've gotten it done,

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Speaker 5: and I got to think that would be a source

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Speaker 5: you know, you've probably learned an awful lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did, man, but I can't even of you lie. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The reason I was able to make it through is

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Speaker 1: because my God, the God I serve, He got me

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Speaker 1: through everything in my life. Man the most yah who

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Speaker 1: man he without Without without God, I don't think I

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Speaker 1: even I would have even touched the field this year,

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Speaker 1: let alone make the team. But just based on that alone,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's the only thing really that got

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Speaker 1: me here. He is the only person that got me here.

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Speaker 5: I would probably venture against that. Andre Patterson is probably

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Speaker 5: getting a big assist on that, though, isn't.

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Speaker 2: He He is?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he works through other people, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I just so happened to be

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Speaker 1: put in a place where the coach can coach anybody literally,

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Speaker 1: any any size, any height, any weight. He can coach

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Speaker 1: God he blessed me with coach Dre and I'm more

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Speaker 5: I want to read you something that that he had

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Speaker 5: said about you just recently, all right. He said, in

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Speaker 5: terms of your explosiveness, your power, and then your quickness,

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Speaker 5: those three things he loves about you more than anything else.

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Speaker 5: But he said that there were times during the season

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Speaker 5: as a rookie, as you were learning, that you maybe

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Speaker 5: didn't use your quickness as much as he would have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, And a lot of that got

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Speaker 5: heard you talk about how it's benefited you to have

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Speaker 1: I would say one thing that he that he's given me.

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Speaker 5: Over the last month, you're playing a lot more, as

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Speaker 5: You started the opening game against Minnesota, then you didn't

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Speaker 5: I saw the other day you had said to somebody,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just being put being put in a position that

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Speaker 1: it's not easy to go out there and you know,

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Speaker 5: Playing the numbers of snaps that you played in the

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Speaker 5: playing more snaps and maybe how you pace yourself better

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Speaker 5: or has it not been any adjustment for you with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as far as the aftermath of the game,

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Speaker 1: was used to like sixty snaps, sixty five sixty STAPs

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Speaker 1: But the I guess the adjustment that I had to

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Speaker 1: Than anything. The physical in this league. Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 5: All Right, I want to go back to this season

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Speaker 5: a little bit, and I want to ask you about

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Speaker 5: a couple of litmus tests or big points in your career. Already,

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Speaker 5: you get your first sack against Detroit in the preseason.

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Speaker 5: All right, what did that feel like? What did that

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Speaker 5: mean to you? Did you did you kind of think, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Did that really boost your confidence and your thought about

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that because on the field, in my head,

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Speaker 1: I gotta show them more. I gotta show them more.

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Speaker 1: So I would say it definitely helped me trend up.

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Speaker 1: But in that moment, I was thinking like, like it's

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Speaker 5: So well, you showed that you wanted to do more

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Speaker 5: what you did against Houston. Yeah, when you ran down

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Speaker 5: JT Taylor forty yards and everybody, everybody in the entire

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Speaker 5: NFL community saw that, put that spotlight on you and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel?

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Speaker 5: How do you feel you dealt with that attention and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I dealt with it pretty well. If

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Speaker 5: Did you kind of get that feeling at that point

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say comfortable. I wanted to I wanted to

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Speaker 1: and I was still on EDGs because you know, anything

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about you get the start opening day against Minnesota,

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Speaker 5: the Hoopla, the hundred season and everything, and there you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing. I couldn't do anything, but thank god, man,

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Speaker 1: it's to the fact that I was on an NFL

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Speaker 1: dream to me. I've always dreamed about that, and that's

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Speaker 1: always been my plan since I was since I started

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Speaker 5: Is it what you expected or better?

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Speaker 1: I really did expect it. But the feeling that you

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Speaker 1: get from that is just unmassed. It's unmassed. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a blessing to just be in that moment,

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Speaker 5: How did that moment compare to the first regular season shack?

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Speaker 5: You got the Shawan Watson? I remember it was in

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Speaker 2: Well, now I.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Now, the thing that surprised me though, is because

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I just haven't had an opportunity

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Speaker 5: So it's not in the game plan against the Colts. Nah,

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Speaker 5: I'm just checking. Elijah Chapman. It is great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Around here, for sure. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time. Thank you. Huddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 4: All right, now let's go to the opponent. Interesting conversation

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Speaker 4: with Stephen Holder from ESPN, who again covers the Colts.

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Speaker 4: A lot of good conversations without Anthony Richardson, which I

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Speaker 2: Here's Steven and.

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Speaker 4: Now we welcome in Steven Holder, one of the best

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Speaker 2: Man Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: All right, so where we like to start with this?

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Speaker 4: Usually we record these on Friday morning prior to the

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Speaker 2: But he's offset by being a very good runner. This year.

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Speaker 4: to eleven passes like you did last week against Tennessee,

439
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Speaker 4: where you expect something similar where they're just going to

440
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 4: ground and pound. If if the weather is as bad

441
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Speaker 4: as it looks on this Friday.

442
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Speaker 2: I mean, you would think, right, don't over complicate this.

443
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Speaker 3: You know, you know, if the Giants stop it, they

444
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: stop it, right, But you got to go into that

445
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 3: game thinking that has to be your plan. But their

446
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,719
Speaker 3: offensive line, I think they have had some ups and

447
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: downs in pass protection this year, but the one thing

448
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 3: that they know how.

449
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: To do is old school run blocking.

450
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Speaker 3: And frankly, when you've got Quentin Nelson out there pulling

451
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Speaker 3: and lead blocking at left guard, you know, probable Hall

452
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: of Fame offensive line, and what are you doing?

453
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: Just don't don't make it complicated? Right? So they definitely

454
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: did that.

455
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Speaker 3: And and I think you're starting to see I think

456
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor get back into his his prime form. You know,

457
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: we've we've seen it here and there, but he hasn't

458
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: consistently been that guy that we saw a couple of

459
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Speaker 3: years ago. You know, almost it reminds you a little

460
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: bit of Saquon now. You know, people wonder if Saquon

461
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Speaker 3: still have it, you know, and I know he's not

462
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Speaker 3: playing at that level per se but as Saquon this year,

463
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: but but certainly we've seen him I think in times

464
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Speaker 3: this season starting to get back to that guy, to

465
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Speaker 3: being that guy. If he had you know, sort of

466
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: more successful performances around him, it would help. But the

467
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: point is that is that's got to be their blueprint

468
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: right now. You know, just ride your best player. Why

469
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Speaker 3: make it complicated, and until someone stops it, you keep

470
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Speaker 3: running it, is what I'd say.

471
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Speaker 4: And finally, the offense, Stephen, the receivers you mentioned Auk

472
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 4: Pierce already, I feel like there's a lot of meat

473
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Speaker 4: on the bone with this wide receiver group. I think

474
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: Josh Downs is this phenomenal. You see his production when

475
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: Flabo played. I loved him coming out a lot of

476
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 4: people you know, loves eight Flowers. I liked. I thought

477
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 4: Downs and Flowers were very similar players coming out to me,

478
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Speaker 4: and I didn't know why Flowers was considered to be

479
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: much better. And I think we've seen in the pros

480
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Speaker 4: that when Downs plays, he's been great. Pittman is a

481
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 4: really good over the middle receiver. Curious about Adam I

482
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 4: Mitchell and the progress you've seen from him this year.

483
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: I liked him coming out of school as well. Did

484
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Speaker 4: you think that as Richardson starts to shore up some

485
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: of the passing games stuff you talked about previously, we're

486
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Speaker 4: gonna see exactly how good this group of weapons is

487
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Speaker 4: outside when they have a quarterback that can be a

488
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Speaker 4: little bit more consistent.

489
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

490
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Speaker 3: I mean I liked this group and I liked him

491
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: before the season, and I think I still feel that way.

492
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Speaker 3: I think there have been some ups and downs because Pittman,

493
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Speaker 3: for example, has been dealing with a back injury and

494
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: was frankly supposed to go in IR at some point

495
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: and just decided I'm going to tough it out. So

496
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: he's not in his optimum form and hasn't been all year.

497
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Speaker 3: So I think it's showed but outside of that, or

498
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 3: in spite of that, I should say he's done his job.

499
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Speaker 2: Josh Downs. You mentioned, Look, Josh Downs, I think is

500
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: a fantastic player. He is.

501
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Speaker 3: He has exceeded everyone's wildest expectations for him here. I

502
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: think the reason you mentioned his the expectations for him

503
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Speaker 3: before the draft. I really think people got scared off

504
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Speaker 3: by his side. He's he's very small. It is what

505
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: it is. He's about five to nine. But the fact

506
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 3: is two things. Number one, he knows how to use

507
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Speaker 3: it to his advantage more than most small guys and

508
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, the elusiveness that it provides him.

509
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Speaker 2: And then the other thing is he knows how to

510
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: avoid the big hit.

511
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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you can't avoid it, but when when,

512
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: when he's able to, he knows how to get down.

513
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Speaker 3: And we saw that with Marvin Harrison in Indianapolis for

514
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: a very long time.

515
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Speaker 2: Look, he's not Marvin Harrison.

516
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Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting that, but Marvin Harrison was also not

517
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: a big and understood about preservation. You understood what that meant,

518
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: and understood getting out of bounds and getting down.

519
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: And so.

520
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: Josh Downs has a similar football IQ in that respect,

521
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 3: it's also the son of a coach, and you can

522
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Speaker 3: tell just in terms of his football understanding and instincts.

523
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: So Alex Pearce, I love Alex Pearce.

524
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: I think people say he's a little bit of a

525
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: one trick pony, and I'm like, well, hey, if your

526
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: one trick is catching forty yard bombs, well you're going

527
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: to play a long time, you know. And so he's

528
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: been an interesting player. And I think once they figured out, okay, look,

529
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: maybe he's not the best when we ask him to

530
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: run a slant or a dig or what have you.

531
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Speaker 3: Maybe those aren't his strengths. He can do that too,

532
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: but they have better options there. But certainly when they

533
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: want to take the top off, he's the guy and

534
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: the defenses know that's what they want to do. And

535
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 3: they're still getting those plays from time to time. So

536
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: that says a lot about Alec Pearce and the fact

537
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: that teams haven't been to stop it. So that and

538
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: then Adam and Mitchell really interesting player. It's been a

539
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: frustrating year for him, I imagine, just because he hasn't

540
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: quite hit his stride. The Colts want to get him

541
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: going and have really tried to get him going and

542
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: have given him an opportunity when other guys who've been

543
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: out down smiss some games. Pierce has missed last week, Pittman,

544
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: et cetera. But he just hasn't been able to achieve

545
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: the consistency. But I will tell you right now, he

546
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: is athletically the most talented receiver they have, it's not

547
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: even close. But he just he has not put it

548
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: all together. It's it's assignment issues. Sometimes it's just mental issues,

549
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: instincts that aren't showing, all those things that make young

550
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: players fall short of their goals. And we'll see. I

551
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: think next year is a big year for him. But

552
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: the talent is there, he is, it's up to him

553
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: to put it together all right.

554
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Speaker 4: And then defensively goes Bradley, the defensive coordinator we're all

555
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: familiar with with, you know, the type of you know,

556
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: single high cover three type of stuff that he runs.

557
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: Who are some of the guys on this defense at

558
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: Giant Fans you kind of have circled with their red

559
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: sharpie to keep an eye on in terms of the

560
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 4: Colt's biggest playmakers on that side of the ball.

561
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: Well, one guy who's been quiet lately, and I want

562
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: to see him finish strong if he can. Is is

563
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: rookie defensive end Liatu lat He's the fifteenth overall pick,

564
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: the first defensive player off the board. Look he has

565
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: he's not gotten the sacks this year. I think he's

566
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: got three and a half. But if you look at

567
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: the pressure numbers, he's third in the NFL among rookies

568
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: and pressures, and so that tells me something. Second on

569
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: this team and pressures too, So he's getting there. He's

570
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: got getting a lot of quarterback hits things like that.

571
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: So he's the consummate almost guy. He's got a lot

572
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: of almost sacks this year. So I noticed that he's

573
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: been a little quieter in recent weeks, Like I said,

574
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: but I know it's important to him to finish strong,

575
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: So I want to see what he can do. But

576
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: one guy who I just well, first of all, the

577
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: guy you circle right out the gate is the Forest Buckner,

578
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: all right, this guy, I mean, you guys there know

579
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: a little bit about defensive tackles and and this guy

580
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: is one of the best.

581
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: He is just a disruptor.

582
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: He is He's gonna eat the double team and often

583
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: beat it. He is a guy who they can move

584
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: around if they want to. So I mean, he is

585
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: I think truly an elite defensive tackle and has shown

586
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: that this year just with the way he has consistently

587
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: been a presence in the opponent's backfield. So that's the

588
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: first guy you got to pay attention to that. I say,

589
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: beyond that, one guy who I just think is a

590
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: really good year is Kenny Moore.

591
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: Their slot cornerback.

592
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: We say slot corner in this league and people kind

593
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: of just, you know, their eyes glaze over, who cares.

594
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: But this is a guy who has taken that position

595
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: and made it into one of the most important positions

596
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: in this defense because of the way he plays. You's

597
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: a small guy, He's five to nine, so he's not

598
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: going to go out there and play like a long

599
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: corner on the edge. But when you move him inside,

600
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: he can he can do just about anything. He can rush,

601
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: he can cover tight ends, he can just play in space.

602
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: He's a tremendous tackler. Kennymore is one of the most

603
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: impactful players on this defense, and I think if you

604
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: really watch him on Sunday, you'll notice his value to

605
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: the Colts and how he is a playmaker. The other

606
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: guy i'd say to watch is on the back end.

607
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: Nick Cross at safety is a third year player who

608
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 3: we really hadn't talked much about coming into this season,

609
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: but they gave him a chance to start. We were

610
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: kind of wondering whether it was smart, but he stepped

611
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: up and he's been I think a really impactful player

612
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: for them, playing a lot in the box. You see,

613
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: he's one of their top tacklers. He's been around the

614
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: football a lot. He's really had a good year and

615
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: established himself, i think as a starter in this league.

616
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: So you'll see him certainly make a quite a few

617
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: plays on Sunday.

618
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Speaker 4: This is how I always close these interviews. Steven, I'll

619
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Speaker 4: close it this way with you as well. Is there

620
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: an underreported you think story in regards to the Colts

621
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: or aspect of the team in terms of how the

622
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: season is gone that as someone that's with them every day,

623
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: you think is really important that more people from a

624
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: national perspective haven't noticed or need to know more about

625
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: to really understand what this Colts team has been all

626
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: about this year.

627
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing is they came into this season.

628
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Speaker 3: This is I think, especially as we come to the

629
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Speaker 3: end of the season, and look, they still have are

630
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: alive for the playoffs, but they they're a long shot, right,

631
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: so let's assume they miss I think the thing when

632
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: we look back at this season, what I think will

633
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: take away from it is that there was a missed

634
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: opportunity because they ran this roster back completely intact. I

635
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: mean more than I've ever seen in all my years,

636
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: no changes practically to the starting lineup, and the thought was, Okay,

637
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: we've got this young quarterback, let's let him go out

638
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: there and grow with this veteran group. It didn't work,

639
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: and some of it is the quarterback, but it's not

640
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: all the quarterback. The defense has underperformed, and so what

641
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: I would say is, I think there was an opportunity

642
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: to make a couple of upgrades here, and there are auditions.

643
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be upgrades, but just additions here

644
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: and their depth whatever, and it might have made a

645
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: difference of one or two wins, and we might be

646
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: having a different conversation right now. So this group, it'll

647
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: be interesting to see whether this group sticks together and

648
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: what is the composition of this roster next season. Because

649
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: they didn't take the next step this year. They are

650
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: at best going to have the exact same record as

651
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: last season, so they were hoping to take the next step.

652
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: It didn't happen.

653
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: So the question in the offseason is going to be

654
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: how close are you to take in that next step

655
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: and how.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to get there?

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Speaker 3: So these last two games, I think guys better go

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Speaker 3: out there and perform because everybody's being evaluated. I think

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Speaker 3: because the expectations. Frankly, I'm not sure they were met.

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Speaker 4: Interesting. Do you think there could be a coaching changes offseason.

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Speaker 3: I'm not anticipating that. I just think that they the

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Speaker 3: bar is going to have to be a little higher

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Speaker 3: next year. I think in this AFC South, you look

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Speaker 3: at it, Houston really fell short this season.

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Speaker 2: Had the Colts had their act together, they've been in

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Speaker 2: the division.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, I mean they really should have, frankly, because Houston

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Speaker 3: has given them every opportunity. The Coasts just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: So look again, quarterbacks a big part of that. They

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Speaker 3: got to grow. They all learn it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: But there were a lot of other factors as well.

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Speaker 3: So they're very good. They're a very mediocre team, which

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Speaker 3: is not the worst thing you can say about a team.

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Speaker 3: But that's not what they set out to be this year.

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Speaker 3: The question is going to be how can you go

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Speaker 3: from mediocre to good or very good? And that is

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Speaker 3: what has been lacking for the Colts frankly for quite

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Speaker 3: some time. They've been in that middle band for about

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Speaker 4: Steven, good stuff, my friend. They'll come buy in the

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Speaker 4: time today, man, and good luck the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: All right, looking forward to it. See.

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Speaker 7: We welcome in the head coach of the New York Giants,

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Speaker 7: Brian Dable and coach final home game against a pretty

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Speaker 7: unique opponent in the fact that the Colts need this

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Speaker 7: game to keep their playoff hopes alive. And Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 7: is sort of this enigma. Explosive, big play guy. What

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Speaker 7: have you seen on tape that jumps out at you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's big and he's strong, and they try to

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Speaker 6: get him the ball early, you know, in the run

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Speaker 6: game in particular, but you know he has a rocket arm.

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Speaker 6: He'll take chances down the field and give his guys

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Speaker 6: a chance, says, and he uses downs who's been a

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Speaker 6: really good player for them, catch and run plays. Explosive

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Speaker 6: really coming along and got Jonathan Taylor back there. So

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Speaker 6: you take a look at that Tennessee game and they

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Speaker 6: got off to you know, a really fast start up

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Speaker 6: thirty eight to seven, all the way up home basically

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Speaker 6: until the end of the third quarter, and you know,

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Speaker 6: they put in his hands, they gave to Jonathan and

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Speaker 6: they hit a couple explosives.

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Speaker 8: Coach talk a little bit about Jonathan Taylor because he's

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Speaker 8: you know, you hear a lot of names around the league,

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Speaker 8: but he is right up there with him in terms

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Speaker 8: of elite running backs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question.

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Speaker 6: He's big, he's strong, and he's fast, and he hit

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Speaker 6: a you know, basically two seventy yarders last game to

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Speaker 6: really open it up for him once he gets some space.

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Speaker 6: He's he's hard to catch, and he's a heck of

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Speaker 6: a football player.

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Speaker 7: Coach, When you look at them defensively, what are some

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Speaker 7: of the challenges that they'll present this week?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Coach Bradley's you know, he's been doing it for

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Speaker 6: a long time, and they run a very sound scheme,

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Speaker 6: you know, a lot of his own coverage, but play

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Speaker 6: it certain ways. So again, they got two really good

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Speaker 6: eyes inside that that caused problems, and there'll be it'll

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Speaker 6: be a challenge, coach.

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Speaker 7: When you look at last week's game, there was this

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Speaker 7: feeling here, right, you get the lead, a heck of

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Speaker 7: a play by in the back of the end zone

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Speaker 7: by Tracy and it felt like momentum was on your

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Speaker 7: side and it kind of flipped. When it flips like that,

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Speaker 7: how hard is it to get it back?

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Speaker 6: Oh, you just got to you got to execute. You know,

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Speaker 6: you got to take it one play at a time.

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Speaker 6: And again, you know, if you have two turnovers for

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Speaker 6: pick sixes, you know, it's it's very hard to win,

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Speaker 6: you know. I you know, came back and looked at

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Speaker 6: the last ten years when that's happened. It's happened fifteen

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Speaker 6: times and teams are owing to fifteen and the point

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Speaker 6: differential is twenty five points. That's hard to do. You know,

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Speaker 6: you got to do a better job of taking care

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Speaker 6: of the ball. We have to do a better job

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Speaker 6: of taking care of the ball on offense and play

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Speaker 6: complimentary football competition level.

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Speaker 7: You know, you got Cordell flop back, he got some

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Speaker 7: reps in there. You got banks back in the lineup,

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Speaker 7: you know, rotating people in and out. How hard is

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Speaker 7: it to kind of call defenses and offenses when you

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Speaker 7: have so many moving parts like you've had with the

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Speaker 7: quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's National Football League. So you know, you gain

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Speaker 6: plan and you got to get ready to play a game.

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Speaker 6: And whoever's out there, you know, you gain plan for

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Speaker 6: those players and you got to go out there and

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Speaker 6: play and coach well.

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Speaker 7: From the rookie standpoint, I mean this is a long

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Speaker 7: season and now they're playing more games than they've ever played.

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Speaker 7: What are some of the things during the week that

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Speaker 7: you guys try to do to keep them fresh mentally

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Speaker 7: but keep them on point as professionals.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think our player Programs personnel department does a great job.

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Speaker 6: Ashley Lynn, she's you know, she's constantly meeting with those people,

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Speaker 6: the rookies, our nutritionists, our strength staff, our trainers, you know,

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Speaker 6: all hands on deck for those guys in their first year.

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Speaker 8: How do you track your rookie? So, I know you

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Speaker 8: guys with Ashley kind of keep them as growing as

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Speaker 8: NFL players, But when you look at day one to

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Speaker 8: where they are now, well, do you give them a

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Speaker 8: report card or is it just constant communication.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's constant communication in all the departments. And again

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Speaker 6: we're you know, we're all responsible to help the development

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Speaker 6: of those guys, and you know, those guys are young

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Speaker 6: professionals and they got to continue to grow and they've

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Speaker 6: done it.

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Speaker 7: They've done a nice shot for us in your quarterback room.

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Speaker 7: Obviously it's been a lot of moving pieces here. But

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Speaker 7: how about the guys all kind of helping each other

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Speaker 7: because they seem to all get along pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They put everything they got into it each week. You know,

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Speaker 6: they prepare, they help one another. They spend extra time

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Speaker 6: by themselves, extra time with the offensive line and running

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Speaker 6: backs and the protection stuff.

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Speaker 7: You know, they're doing everything they can coach. We appreciate

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Speaker 7: a couple mon it's good luck on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 7: That's the head coach of the New York Giants, Brian Dable.

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Speaker 4: We thank Bob Papa and Coach Dable, Carl Banks, Stephen Holder,

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Speaker 4: Paulled Datino, Analyzia Chatman for all chipping in and helping

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Speaker 4: me out here on The Giants Little Podcast for our

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Speaker 4: Friday episode. I think I'm at this point questionable for Sunday,

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Speaker 4: though I think was no longer an injury designation. If

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Speaker 4: it was, I think that would be it. I should

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Speaker 4: be okay by then, but probably sew Morash and we'll

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Speaker 4: our Saturday WFN Big Blue Kickoff live as well, so

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Speaker 4: we'll keep that in mind moving forward. Thanks for being

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Speaker 4: with us. I'm gonna go back to sleep and we'll

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Speaker 4: see you next time on The Johns Little Podcast. Brought

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