Speaker 1: Wind Down and Michael Colin and I'm her radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, so this is a big week coming up.
Speaker 1: I start filming on Monday. We're officially out of quarantine.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to film. Yeah, I think we all are.
Speaker 1: I mean that in like you know we're talking about
Speaker 1: we're out of quarantine. It's like, okay, now the work begins,
Speaker 1: right now, it starts, and so you know, I'm excited
Speaker 1: for you to work. I'm excited for the project you're
Speaker 1: doing because it's different you. Um, I'm excited to come,
Speaker 1: to say it. I'm excited to bring the kids and everything.
Speaker 1: So it's if they let the kids come, I hope.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but we have a treat. We
Speaker 1: do have a treat and I'm trying to pull it
Speaker 1: up right now because i want to just like be
Speaker 1: one thousand percent on it and I'm not on it
Speaker 1: this morning because okay here, So I think it was
Speaker 1: what it was the other day. Um, you were kind
Speaker 1: of having like your own um, your own time, and
Speaker 1: I was doing my thing and I was just a
Speaker 1: rare rarely go on Twitter, like rarely rarely. Um, but
Speaker 1: I follow pres Hilton and I saw this thing from him.
Speaker 1: So basically something that we talked about on one of
Speaker 1: these podcasts about I think it was when we were
Speaker 1: talking with Lisa Turkerist and what we were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I trust you today and then basically just saying so
Speaker 1: the headline was Jane Kramer still doesn't fully trust husband
Speaker 1: Mike Cousin after cheating scandal, and then his comment was
Speaker 1: just get divorced already. So I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: feeling a little spicy on a little froggy, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, So I re quoted it back and said,
Speaker 1: when you don't know the ins and out about addiction
Speaker 1: in the work we continue to do, you shouldn't speak
Speaker 1: on it. We are open because we're helping people do
Speaker 1: the work to become stronger like we have. So no, thanks,
Speaker 1: not going to divorce a good man and back. And
Speaker 1: then he said, but how can you stay in your
Speaker 1: relationship when you don't trust him? Which I get it,
Speaker 1: it's a very valid but I never said I don't
Speaker 1: trust you. I just said I trust you today, and
Speaker 1: which kind of just got me thinking a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of went on a little Twitter rant.
Speaker 1: I went a little like crazy Twitter ran and I
Speaker 1: was just like, apparently everyone has a picture perfect relationship
Speaker 1: s mh. And then I was just like scratching my head.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, you know it shaking your head? Okay,
Speaker 1: well either scratching. I think it's scratching. Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it shaking? Okay? I guess I'm the only person. I
Speaker 1: thought I was scratching by it. Yeah, they are. They're
Speaker 1: all affirming you in the comments, and Eastern just said, wow,
Speaker 1: so that's okay. Well I thought it was scratching because
Speaker 1: you know, it's like home than scratching FML forget my lunch,
Speaker 1: you know me, I always scratching my head like home,
Speaker 1: like come on a little bit, this is amazing. I
Speaker 1: guess not. Well that's fantastic. Fl forgot my lunch, I
Speaker 1: forgot my launch FML. Okay. Well anyways, so I was
Speaker 1: scratching my head, I put us MH. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, why don't you just say
Speaker 1: it to our faces? You know, if you want to
Speaker 1: tell us a good divorce, let's come on a podcast
Speaker 1: and talk because and then he basically said to in
Speaker 1: another comment, he said, um, he said basically that we
Speaker 1: do it for attention and headlines, and that one really
Speaker 1: bothered me. I didn't say anything to him, though he
Speaker 1: was it's the podcast that fuels all these headlines. They
Speaker 1: were feel intimate details and thoughts for listenership and attention. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So I kind of want to have a conversation about
Speaker 1: that because I wouldn't. I don't. We don't do this, like,
Speaker 1: it's not like we want. Well, here's here's what I want,
Speaker 1: because it's not for attention. The only attention that I
Speaker 1: would say i'd want is for someone to say they're
Speaker 1: working on their marriage. How awesome is that? But here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Who would click on that? Right? That's not clickbait.
Speaker 1: That's why we don't write the tabloid headings. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they just pick the like she still doesn't trust them.
Speaker 1: Right if we were to write the tabloy headings back that, Wow,
Speaker 1: they're fighting for their marriage. It's going great, Like that's
Speaker 1: what we were, right. Yeah, Well but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just thought it'd be interesting to bring him on
Speaker 1: and to talk about kind of clickbait stuff and you know,
Speaker 1: get because he thinks we're hot messes. So I think
Speaker 1: it's just something where we can I don't want to
Speaker 1: sell ourselves, but I also wanna, you know, get to
Speaker 1: know us before you write about Let's okay, welcome for
Speaker 1: a Silton. Hello, Hello Perez, Hello, how are you? I
Speaker 1: am very happy. It's a good day today because it's
Speaker 1: my son's birthday. He's eight, and also yesterday was their
Speaker 1: first day back at school in eleven months. So that's
Speaker 1: a good day for you, right, I had my three
Speaker 1: kids at home for eleven months, and what are the
Speaker 1: ages for the kids? Well, my son just turned eight today,
Speaker 1: and my middle child she's almost six, and my youngest
Speaker 1: is three. And I just know that they missed their friends,
Speaker 1: They missed getting out of the house. Uh. They don't
Speaker 1: focus as while at home to get so easily distracted.
Speaker 1: And you know, eventually they'll catch up with learning. But
Speaker 1: it's not just the learning and academics is everything else,
Speaker 1: The socializing with friends safely that they're now doing. Um,
Speaker 1: it's everything, and I'm just so relieved. I feel bad though,
Speaker 1: because even some schools in Los Angeles have not opened yet.
Speaker 1: Mine is one of the later ones, and there's still
Speaker 1: a lot more that haven't opened yet. Uh. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have so our kids are We have a five year
Speaker 1: old Jolie, and then we have a two year old Jason.
Speaker 1: They go to half days to preschool. But even so,
Speaker 1: I started to feel guilty because child the preschools are
Speaker 1: pretty much open in Nashville. So but so I felt
Speaker 1: a little guilty. But at the same time, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I need those We need those two days to like
Speaker 1: have some sanity and get work done and and and
Speaker 1: live our life too. Yeah, like you're saying, pereas, the
Speaker 1: kids need those days, they need those that you know,
Speaker 1: familiarity with a routine and getting to no kids and
Speaker 1: and playing with other kids other than just mom and
Speaker 1: dad all the time. Make the most of it. But
Speaker 1: that is not why we have you on here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get to it, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: But in many ways, your podcast is kind of like
Speaker 1: a reality TV show, right, Yeah, in theory, it kind
Speaker 1: of is because it is a look into our daily
Speaker 1: lives where we don't really hold back on our experiences
Speaker 1: with each other and with things that we do with
Speaker 1: in our life. So yeah, that's safe to say. Okay,
Speaker 1: So when you open yourselves up like this, it's I
Speaker 1: think an invitation for people to listen and participate and
Speaker 1: have opinions. So you know I have opinions, but I'll
Speaker 1: park my opinions for a side and say this and
Speaker 1: once again correct me if I'm wrong. I would guess
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden some billionaire said, you know,
Speaker 1: I listened to your podcast and I love what you
Speaker 1: guys do, and I want you to just not have
Speaker 1: to do it if you don't want to, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you a hundred million dollars. Go with me. If
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've got a hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: offered to you, would you continue doing your podcast as
Speaker 1: it is now? Yes, he doesn't believe you. Why because
Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's and we've gotten a comment before
Speaker 1: like that you have said about attention or money or
Speaker 1: whatever from us sharing our story. And for us, we're like,
Speaker 1: if that's the case, where's the money, because we ain't
Speaker 1: seeing it. Well. I mean, podcast is doing good, right,
Speaker 1: but it's not our it's not our bread and butter.
Speaker 1: It's not what keeps the roof of our head right.
Speaker 1: As much as it annoying as it is at times
Speaker 1: and hurt flat times for people to say maybe negative comments,
Speaker 1: I mean we're used to it. Whatever it's happens that
Speaker 1: one person or those couple of people that come to us.
Speaker 1: Actually it's not a couple, it's a lot that come
Speaker 1: to us and say, y'all being so open has really
Speaker 1: helped my marriage, has really helped my relationship, or is
Speaker 1: allowed me to be more honest with my spouse or
Speaker 1: my partner those moments or those moments when we did
Speaker 1: our live shows and we'd have couples crying to us
Speaker 1: being like, you know, what you guys are doing are helping,
Speaker 1: is helping our relationship. That's intangible, that's priceless. You can't
Speaker 1: put a you know, uh, you can't put you can't
Speaker 1: monetize that. You know, it's just something that means so
Speaker 1: much to us. And because we've been able to have
Speaker 1: a platform to receive that. So the flip side to
Speaker 1: that question is has doing the podcast helped or hurt
Speaker 1: your relationship? It's a good question. So I will say
Speaker 1: in the very beginning, it was the podcast was huge.
Speaker 1: It was because you know, we were still in the
Speaker 1: healing process and we were doing the and he didn't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, like I had written a
Speaker 1: book before, you know, we did a book together, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about my abusive relationship that I
Speaker 1: was in. I wanted to talk about, you know, finding
Speaker 1: out about the affairs and and he was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want you to and he he ripped it up,
Speaker 1: ripped up all the pages and was just like, you
Speaker 1: are not putting this out. And I'm like, Michael, here's
Speaker 1: what you don't understand. I was like, people are going
Speaker 1: to write that you cheated about me in every single
Speaker 1: article that comes out there. It's always going to be there.
Speaker 1: The headline will always say, well, he, you know, cheated
Speaker 1: on her, and that's what it's gonna be. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to change the narrative. I want to say,
Speaker 1: look at how they've you know, grown and they're working together.
Speaker 1: But also because when he cheated on me and he
Speaker 1: went to rehab, I had nothing. I had no books
Speaker 1: to read that I could relate to. I had nothing.
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to know that I am
Speaker 1: not the only person out there that has that feels
Speaker 1: completely alone, devastated and still wants to stay with him
Speaker 1: because I love them like that. I still I want hope,
Speaker 1: somebody please give me some hope that I feel like
Speaker 1: I can stay with this man. Even though I freaking
Speaker 1: hate him, but I still love them? How many years
Speaker 1: ago was that now? Five and a half years ago?
Speaker 1: Five years ago, five years ago that you went that
Speaker 1: was discovery? So I saw recently that you said you
Speaker 1: still don't trust him five years later. Maybe I heard
Speaker 1: that out of context, Um, is there some trust, a
Speaker 1: little trust, no trust? Because I was just thinking, like, God,
Speaker 1: if five years later there's still no trust, or there is,
Speaker 1: you don't trust him five years later, get divorced, and
Speaker 1: I still stand behind that statement, Like I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: feel like I would be walking on eggshells, like hiring
Speaker 1: private detectives, and would that make me happy? Like I'd
Speaker 1: rather be alone and be single and coparent healthily as
Speaker 1: friends wish that former partner of my nothing but the best,
Speaker 1: And I'm all for rebuilding trust. But when I heard
Speaker 1: five years later, are you still don't trust him? Like
Speaker 1: my head explode. Okay, So here's the thing for that.
Speaker 1: I'm one thousand percent on the same page with you.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. When I've talked to
Speaker 1: my therapist about trust, and that's been one of the
Speaker 1: hardest things for me too, because I do I do
Speaker 1: trust you. I do trust my husband. The problem is
Speaker 1: is that because he is an addict, he can never
Speaker 1: say that he'll never do something again. Now, Perez, if
Speaker 1: something happens again, I'm I'm out, Like there's only so
Speaker 1: much that I can personally handle. And he knows that.
Speaker 1: And and the thing is too it hasn't been like
Speaker 1: a completely clean I haven't had a clean, you know,
Speaker 1: slate from five years ago. I've done things along the
Speaker 1: way physically, not physically, but I've done things to still
Speaker 1: um give her reasons not to trust me along the
Speaker 1: along the timeline of five years. So it's not like
Speaker 1: ever since five years ago, I haven't told one line.
Speaker 1: My behavior has been completely different, Like I've never done
Speaker 1: anything to you know, mess anything up. It's we've I've
Speaker 1: had my bumps, you know, I've had my bumps and recovery,
Speaker 1: I've had my bumps or whatever. Yes, I've never acted
Speaker 1: out outside of our relationships, you know, since all that happened.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's still a reason why it's that way.
Speaker 1: And it's hard because I have times like you're saying, Perez,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, you know, in my head, I want
Speaker 1: to be like it was five years ago, But then
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself, well, I've done things to
Speaker 1: cause mistrust, you know, along the road, and I think
Speaker 1: what I'll say to to that is, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a time after our all that stuff where I
Speaker 1: told my therapist, I go, all I do is just
Speaker 1: look at his phone and I hate it and I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it and I don't want to
Speaker 1: live my life like this. And then she goes, then
Speaker 1: stop stop doing those things, and you're just going to
Speaker 1: have to let it go. And it's on him, you know,
Speaker 1: and you have to start trusting him. So that's why
Speaker 1: I say, And what was a little out of context
Speaker 1: with that uh An interview was I said, I do
Speaker 1: trust him today because I see he's showing up. He's
Speaker 1: in recovery work, he's doing, you know, he's he's showing
Speaker 1: up today as a husband, as a man, and in recovery. Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I pray to God he does, but I can't control
Speaker 1: his recovery. I'm just gonna wake up tomorrow and I'm
Speaker 1: going to trust him until he basically, you know, it's
Speaker 1: something would happen. So Janet, you've been you've been speaking
Speaker 1: to your therapist. I would assume now for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, since you know your podcast is all about
Speaker 1: being open. You mentioned a few moments ago that prior
Speaker 1: to being with Michael, you were in an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1: Did that one affect your desire to stay in this one,
Speaker 1: which from the outside might not seem like the most
Speaker 1: healthy for you. Is that something that you've talked about
Speaker 1: with your therapists we have. Well, here here's a little
Speaker 1: tidbit too. I actually met him at the coffee being
Speaker 1: on Sunset and Fairfax, which was the same one that
Speaker 1: you would sit at, because I would go to that
Speaker 1: Sunset and acts coffee bean every day for like six years,
Speaker 1: because I was living on that side of the hill.
Speaker 1: And I just remember too, like you were just in
Speaker 1: your computer, like chilling at the you know. And I
Speaker 1: remember my friend Diana was like, that's Press Hilton. He's
Speaker 1: a you know, and I was like, that's Perez Hilton.
Speaker 1: But I ended up I met um. I met my
Speaker 1: abuser at that coffee bean, and you know, we've done
Speaker 1: a lot of work around that. I thought you met
Speaker 1: your therapist. I was smiling. Oh my god, I would
Speaker 1: not have been smiling if that's where you. If I
Speaker 1: knew you met your abuser there like um, no, no,
Speaker 1: so I met I met him there, And I will
Speaker 1: say it was I've done a lot of work with
Speaker 1: my therapist around that, and honestly, I will say the
Speaker 1: first reason that I stayed and this is not the
Speaker 1: reason to stay at all, but it was for my daughter.
Speaker 1: Um I had a five month old at the time.
Speaker 1: And and here's the crazy thing was when he was
Speaker 1: in a rehab As much as I hated him, I
Speaker 1: still wanted to I wanted to read his letters. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see what he had to say. And I
Speaker 1: will never advocate for staying in a bad relationship. If
Speaker 1: he was continuing to act out physically and breaking boundaries
Speaker 1: and lying to seven, I am the first person to say,
Speaker 1: get out, you don't like you deserve better than that.
Speaker 1: If he were to ever hit me. I will never
Speaker 1: stay in a relationship where I'm physically, mentally, verbally abused.
Speaker 1: I just can't stand for that. And so I have
Speaker 1: stayed a lot, first and foremost for my kids. But
Speaker 1: I also am at the point now where I know
Speaker 1: my worth, I know what I deserve, and you know
Speaker 1: I won't stand for anything else. But there was also
Speaker 1: that love there that I you know, I know, I
Speaker 1: knew he wanted to be a better man, and he
Speaker 1: just just took him a little while to get there.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious because you're so open, and I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm very open to you could ask me anything. I
Speaker 1: love talking to very open people because not often you
Speaker 1: get that. So, you know, you talk about your relationship
Speaker 1: up a lot on the podcast. I don't even listen
Speaker 1: to my own podcast, Okay, so don't take it personal.
Speaker 1: I listened to no podcast and I have one UM,
Speaker 1: what is Michael's relationship with porn? Is it something that
Speaker 1: you allow? Is that like a trigger for him? Is
Speaker 1: it not allowed? I'm curious. So for me, that's that's
Speaker 1: not in my Uh yeah, that's or that's in my circle.
Speaker 1: So that's something that I stay away from. UM now
Speaker 1: with the program on part of with essay, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It's kind of a user's choice.
Speaker 1: It is up to certain people if that's a behavior
Speaker 1: that they talk about with their sponsor, with their therapist,
Speaker 1: if it's something that they need to watch out for.
Speaker 1: For me, it is a trigger button for me. It
Speaker 1: is an escalator. It is something that I used to
Speaker 1: escape reality. It's something that I used to mask feelings
Speaker 1: and emotions that I I didn't know how to express. So
Speaker 1: for me, it's a non negotiable. It's out of my life,
Speaker 1: it's out of our relation and ship, and that's what
Speaker 1: we decided. That's what I decided. Um, you know. But
Speaker 1: we're not against other people using it. We're you know,
Speaker 1: it's just our story and that's the stuff that we're
Speaker 1: staying away from. But we understand that people use it
Speaker 1: and we don't care if other people bring it into
Speaker 1: their relationship. It's just not part of not a part
Speaker 1: of ours, because it's something where if you did, it's
Speaker 1: the addict that could potentially set it to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well this was fun, but now I want to take
Speaker 1: the next step. And now because it's a medicator for me,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's just like a drug. It's
Speaker 1: just like anything else. It was my medicator. Well it's
Speaker 1: a medicator for me too, But I don't really it
Speaker 1: doesn't make me want to do more. I'm just grateful actually,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, I get to take care of
Speaker 1: business in ten minutes or less. I'm done, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Because you know, I have not been intimate with anybody
Speaker 1: in five years. Five years For gay men, that's like
Speaker 1: dog gears, like I haven't been intimate with somebody in
Speaker 1: like thirty years or forty years, because gay men are
Speaker 1: the most from miscuous of anybody, and and and wonderfully so,
Speaker 1: because I was living in New York City for a
Speaker 1: period of time there and it was just so much
Speaker 1: easier than you know, there's so many more gay men there,
Speaker 1: so there's a volume, and there's also more gay men
Speaker 1: that shared similar interests, like all of the theater actors
Speaker 1: and people that work in fashion, and it was just
Speaker 1: easier to be spontaneous and hey, you want to meet
Speaker 1: for a drink or you want to hook up or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And then I moved back to Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and the one dating site that I was using
Speaker 1: in New York it worked in New York. I wasn't
Speaker 1: getting results here. I don't even care, I'll share, I'm
Speaker 1: not getting paid. I don't even use it anymore. It
Speaker 1: was okay Cupid, and I liked Okay Cupid because they
Speaker 1: have a website and I don't want I I think,
Speaker 1: I don't even think I am an addict as well,
Speaker 1: in different ways, like I'm addicted to food, I'm addicted.
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to work, like seriously addicted to work. And
Speaker 1: I talked about that with my therapist, and I've been
Speaker 1: setting boundaries from myself and really forcing myself to get
Speaker 1: more sleep, you know, the coffee being years and for actually,
Speaker 1: up until last year, I would only get about five
Speaker 1: hours of sleep at night, not much. So I moved
Speaker 1: back to l A and okay, Cupid wasn't working for
Speaker 1: me here and I just didn't. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm fine masturbating and I kept saying, well, it'll happen
Speaker 1: when it happens, and it just hasn't happened for five years.
Speaker 1: And I'm fine, you know, I've got three kids and
Speaker 1: I'm busy, and it is what it is. But who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe if I it's another couple of years, I might
Speaker 1: even hire an escort. I'm not against that gay men
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not quite there yet. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not against it, but I'm not quite there yet. Um.
Speaker 1: But maybe I don't know, or maybe somebody will listen
Speaker 1: and be like, well, I'll just put Perez out of
Speaker 1: his misery and slide into his d M S and
Speaker 1: and and you know, help him out. I think also
Speaker 1: I want to comment to some of your your your
Speaker 1: your fans and supporters who were saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even have an opinion on relationships because I'm
Speaker 1: not in a relationship and I haven't been in a while.
Speaker 1: But I will just say to those people, I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I'm single and never chose
Speaker 1: to get married to any of the men that I
Speaker 1: dated for a long period of time was because my parents.
Speaker 1: They're like one of those storybook romances. They never once fought. Ever,
Speaker 1: my dad died when I was fourteen, and um, they
Speaker 1: never fought. But not only that, like and this also
Speaker 1: hurts a little bit because I've spoken about this with
Speaker 1: my therapist. My parents didn't even didn't just love each other,
Speaker 1: they worshiped each other, like my mom worshiped my dad,
Speaker 1: and my dad worshiped my mom. And if I were
Speaker 1: to tell my mom right now, I'm we can go
Speaker 1: back in time to and your son dies or your
Speaker 1: husband dies. I'm pretty sure my mom would have chosen
Speaker 1: my dad me dying over my father. I'm pretty sure. No,
Speaker 1: I'm certain of that, Yes, yes, she loved my dad
Speaker 1: more than me. But you know, I believe in I
Speaker 1: believe in true love. But i'm but I'm also aware
Speaker 1: that it's not going to be perfect. Like I may
Speaker 1: not have that perfect relationship that my parents had. I
Speaker 1: think I have a healthy relationships, healthy understanding of relationships.
Speaker 1: My thoughts on relationships is that it's a lot like
Speaker 1: your body and your health. We all know what it
Speaker 1: takes to be a healthy person. It requires healthy eating
Speaker 1: consistently and being active consistently. And even though we all
Speaker 1: know that, it's still so hard for so many of
Speaker 1: us to be healthy. But we know what it takes,
Speaker 1: but it's still hard. And I say this as a fatty.
Speaker 1: I'm a fatty. Even though right now I may not
Speaker 1: look fatty, I still got the brain of a fat
Speaker 1: person and the genes of a fat person, So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that way. But I put in the work
Speaker 1: on my body and I'm willing to put into work
Speaker 1: in a relationship as well. And I'm excited to not
Speaker 1: just be the one that does all the talking, and
Speaker 1: I'm excited to compromise and where do you want to
Speaker 1: go on vacation and all of those things, Well, I
Speaker 1: will say, Perez that you know, for being someone who
Speaker 1: does what you do and talks about other people in
Speaker 1: the spotlight or other you know, things that people go through.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate and respect that you're as open as
Speaker 1: you are, right because other people are you know, shut
Speaker 1: the door when it comes to themselves and just want
Speaker 1: to point to figure out other people. So I do
Speaker 1: respect that about you, and I appreciate about you that
Speaker 1: you're willing to answer the same questions that you ask,
Speaker 1: which is well, I go back also to what I
Speaker 1: asked at the beginning. I want I want an answer
Speaker 1: from Jana, because I don't think she said that if
Speaker 1: I give you a hundred million, would you keep up
Speaker 1: the podcast? Is it? Can I still keep the hundred
Speaker 1: million and do the podcast? Or do I have to quit?
Speaker 1: You can still keep the podcast but keep it as
Speaker 1: it is talking about the minutia of your relationships. I
Speaker 1: would I would probably even I mean, and we we
Speaker 1: already go like real there, I'd probably even be like,
Speaker 1: let's get our let's do a couple's therapy with our therapists,
Speaker 1: because at that point I'm like, I don't care who
Speaker 1: says anything. I got more money than anything like because
Speaker 1: because for me, it is about just helping people and
Speaker 1: knowing that I am not alone in this struggle. Because
Speaker 1: you know, we did have a few fun because we're
Speaker 1: in we just got out of quarantine, but because I'm
Speaker 1: here filming a movie, and you know, we were fighting
Speaker 1: about just stupid stuff that most relationships fight about. And
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was even looking at Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day post and I'm like, like, I'm mad at you
Speaker 1: right now. I don't want to post this like I
Speaker 1: love you so much. I do, but I'm mad at
Speaker 1: you at the moment. And so we posted a silly
Speaker 1: thing of like hey, if anyone else spot today like
Speaker 1: you're not alone, and there's so many people that were
Speaker 1: like blowing us up that we're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: thank you because I was feeling like annoyed and now
Speaker 1: you know, now we're better. But I saw your post
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, so again I'm helping people not
Speaker 1: feel alone. And then it's okay that there isn't a
Speaker 1: perfect relationship because I'm not perfect. Even though I do
Speaker 1: so much therapy. We do so much therapy, and even
Speaker 1: with our book, like we don't do it perfectly. But
Speaker 1: we're better because of the work that we've done, and
Speaker 1: this is a better relationship than when I walked down
Speaker 1: the aisle to you. I love that, and I guess
Speaker 1: the good thing is you know you're both consenting adults.
Speaker 1: I am a very open person, but I've gotten in
Speaker 1: trouble with my family because of that a bit um
Speaker 1: and I justified it at the time by saying, well,
Speaker 1: this is my truth. And I was really hurt by this,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just a dress it publicly because I
Speaker 1: have a podcast and because I have my YouTube channels
Speaker 1: and all of that. So one example which I don't
Speaker 1: talk about my sister anymore because it really hurt her,
Speaker 1: but I was really hurt too. So my sister got
Speaker 1: married two years ago, and like I mentioned a few
Speaker 1: moments ago, my dad passed away when I was thirteen
Speaker 1: or fourteen, I don't remember, a long time ago, twenty
Speaker 1: five plus years ago, and my mom walked my sister
Speaker 1: down the aisle. Absolutely absolutely great. I expected that and
Speaker 1: wanted that, but my sister didn't have me participate in
Speaker 1: any way other than just walking down the aisle with
Speaker 1: my youngest child. I thought, oh, maybe she'd ask me
Speaker 1: to give a quick little toast or maybe she'd ask
Speaker 1: me to have a little dance with her or something.
Speaker 1: And she did nothing. And I gave her ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to help pay for the wedding. Not a ton
Speaker 1: of money, but something sizeable, Like, you know, I had
Speaker 1: kids of my own. If it was like, if she
Speaker 1: would have gotten married before I had children, I probably
Speaker 1: would have paid for the whole thing. But now that
Speaker 1: I got kids, you know, here's ten thousand. That's something.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and so I made like a big thing
Speaker 1: about it, like I was still hurt by my sister,
Speaker 1: and and then that really hurt her. And now I've realized,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I shouldn't broadcast everything with people
Speaker 1: in my life that aren't comfortable with that, even if
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable broadcasting everything in my own life. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's something we deal with, and that's been
Speaker 1: a hot button for me, Like I stay away from
Speaker 1: details with family or parents because of that. Right, it's
Speaker 1: it's the life that we chose. Well actually, even we
Speaker 1: didn't even choose to be this public about it because
Speaker 1: our story was sold. Um, and so we're just like
Speaker 1: Jana said earlier on we're just trying to control the narrative.
Speaker 1: But still it's our decision as to consent to adults
Speaker 1: to share this stuff, and our families didn't ask for it,
Speaker 1: our families didn't sign up for So we try to
Speaker 1: keep it in the parameters of our relationship with you know,
Speaker 1: just Janna I, and not include other people. What's your question?
Speaker 1: The other question? Oh, my other question? Bring them, but
Speaker 1: kind of not really with you being single now it's
Speaker 1: been five years, you have three kids, is there one?
Speaker 1: Is there someone in your past that you consider the
Speaker 1: one that got away? No, but I did tell my
Speaker 1: therapist that I would love to date that way, like
Speaker 1: hit up people that I used today or just to
Speaker 1: hook up with them, Like I'm starting to think that
Speaker 1: like any of my friends that I would hook up
Speaker 1: with or whatever, but not right now. I did actually
Speaker 1: have this twenty one year old slide into my d
Speaker 1: m s, which is rare because like nine out of
Speaker 1: ten times or nine point nine out of ten times,
Speaker 1: the people sliding into my d m s are women.
Speaker 1: But this twenty one year old hottie who lives nearby
Speaker 1: is like flirting with me and then even set me
Speaker 1: like some nude pics and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if we were not in the middle of a pandemic,
Speaker 1: I would so hook up with him. But we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of a pandemic right now, and my mother
Speaker 1: lives with me and she's very high risk, and my
Speaker 1: kids live with me, and he doesn't even live in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. He lives in Orange County, So like, I'd
Speaker 1: have to waste money to go to a hotel and
Speaker 1: and just like be afraid for my mom's health if
Speaker 1: he has COVID or whatever it is. So my follow
Speaker 1: up question to you guys, it is like back and
Speaker 1: forth volleyball. I love it. What does your family think
Speaker 1: about your podcast or do they not even talk about it?
Speaker 1: Like they just let you do it and they don't
Speaker 1: never bring it up. I don't well, I don't think
Speaker 1: my mom listen. I don't think anyone listens actually, because
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to hear, just in case
Speaker 1: if we do talk about because I talked, I've talked
Speaker 1: about my dad and you know, my daddy issues and
Speaker 1: but I mean my dad and there are great now,
Speaker 1: but you know he was upset about the book and um,
Speaker 1: and I I've kind of I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: they're afraid to listen and they don't want to know
Speaker 1: too much because they know we have our stuff and
Speaker 1: they don't want to get involved or haven't. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know my mom listened to the on, but um,
Speaker 1: I think you had to Jane's point. I think they
Speaker 1: just kind of want to like no less. And my
Speaker 1: parents are very very private, conservative people, so it was
Speaker 1: an adjustment for them just for my life in general
Speaker 1: to be as public as it is. But then they've
Speaker 1: they've been able to see the positive spin that we
Speaker 1: put on things and how we've been able to help people,
Speaker 1: so that's been beneficial. But no, they kind of stay
Speaker 1: away from it. And I'll also say to like kind
Speaker 1: of what my kids said we did are when I
Speaker 1: was doing Dancing with the Stars, a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: not anymore. He was very close to me. He was
Speaker 1: in our wedding. He was the one that actually sold
Speaker 1: the story, not sold. I'm sure he didn't get any money,
Speaker 1: but he gave it to us weekly. How do you know?
Speaker 1: How do you know? What was that friend? When I
Speaker 1: read the article, there was one thing in there, and
Speaker 1: only he knew. He's the only person I told, so
Speaker 1: I know for there's no way that I would never
Speaker 1: even call him to be like, how dare you? Because
Speaker 1: he would probably lie about it. And then also I know,
Speaker 1: I like I did not tell anybody else like he
Speaker 1: was he was my best gay friend ever, and so
Speaker 1: it was it was awful. But I will say, you know,
Speaker 1: for Mike, you know, we we don't talk about this
Speaker 1: because he would have loved to have kept his anonymity.
Speaker 1: Most people don't be like, hey, I'm a sex addict
Speaker 1: and like let's talk about it, you know. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel bad. No, it does suck, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a double edged sword where it sucks in the times
Speaker 1: where yeah, again, a lot of people in twelve step,
Speaker 1: whether in A A or an A no matter or
Speaker 1: O A whatever it is, right, anonymity is a big
Speaker 1: part of any twelve step program. Well, that was taken
Speaker 1: away from me, and so we've tried to make the
Speaker 1: most of that again in a positive way. And at
Speaker 1: times I feel like it's a blessing disguise because I
Speaker 1: can walk into a room not questioning, Okay, does this
Speaker 1: person know this about me? Does this person know this
Speaker 1: about me? It's like, get everyone knows everyone here knows
Speaker 1: basically everything about me if they know us at all.
Speaker 1: So I am who I am. I can wear that
Speaker 1: on my sleeve and on my heart and if you
Speaker 1: don't like it, then you don't have to talk to me.
Speaker 1: But I will say though, for people you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like with with what you do, because of course, like
Speaker 1: when we see the headlines, it's like, of course, like
Speaker 1: get to work, like I would probably say the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, and we can't have an interview with every
Speaker 1: single person that you know does these things. Um, but
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I totally get like what
Speaker 1: you do. And I will say that I though, I
Speaker 1: because I followed you from the very beginning. Um, was
Speaker 1: it hard for you when all the bullying stuff came out?
Speaker 1: How many was that ten years ago when you started
Speaker 1: to make the switch on your website. I mean it's
Speaker 1: still hard because you know, like you mentioned towards the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know, you think, well, our brains tell us a
Speaker 1: narrative and it may not always be the truth. You
Speaker 1: think that whenever there's an article that has written about
Speaker 1: you too, it'll somehow mention that Mike cheated. And I
Speaker 1: think that unless something huge happens and changes this narrative
Speaker 1: for ever, perhaps because I mean, oh God, Like you
Speaker 1: know that radio talk radio host Rush Limbaugh died and
Speaker 1: there were so many people celebrating his death. I know,
Speaker 1: and I've told this to my therapist. I know if
Speaker 1: I were to die today, people would celebrate my death.
Speaker 1: And that's hard to accept, um and I but I
Speaker 1: know that's the truth. And even though you know I'm
Speaker 1: still opinionated, I know I've changed, and I know I
Speaker 1: don't do things as I used to. Like I would
Speaker 1: have said, I would have said, oh, she should leave that,
Speaker 1: and then fill in the blank and she's such a
Speaker 1: blank blank for staying with him or whatever, like I
Speaker 1: could still have a loud opinion, but I don't think
Speaker 1: i'm doing like. I don't think saying she should divorce
Speaker 1: him is nasty, mean, cruel or hurtful. And I used
Speaker 1: to be nasty, mean, cruel or hurtful. I owned that
Speaker 1: I was that. And what's funny is when I was that,
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was that. When I was doing that,
Speaker 1: I was telling my brain, it's not me, it's a character.
Speaker 1: It's not really me saying these things. So if people
Speaker 1: are upset at me, it doesn't matter because it's not me.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm just like exaggerating what I believe and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, it's like and in many ways it's
Speaker 1: like an addict, Like I tell this to my therapist
Speaker 1: as well. I at the time was so addicted to attention.
Speaker 1: It's a drug, right like the chemical releases, And I
Speaker 1: knew I knew what I was doing was wrong, kind
Speaker 1: of like when drug addict wants to take drugs. They
Speaker 1: they could intellect realize that this is maybe not maybe
Speaker 1: not the best thing to do. But I still did
Speaker 1: it anyways because I didn't care if I hurt somebody's feeling.
Speaker 1: All I cared about was getting attention for myself. And
Speaker 1: I really think, no matter how much, well that's not true.
Speaker 1: I also tell my therapist and this could be wrong.
Speaker 1: There is one thing that could change people's perception of me,
Speaker 1: and that would be great, huge success doing something different.
Speaker 1: Like let's say, um, they do a reboot of Glee,
Speaker 1: which I loved, and this let's say they cast me
Speaker 1: and I'm playing a character, a lovable character on Glee
Speaker 1: and that shows a huge global sensation, Then that almost
Speaker 1: could wipe away the sins of my past, and people
Speaker 1: would park it, maybe not ever forget it, but park it,
Speaker 1: put it aside and be like, oh wow, we love
Speaker 1: him on the New Glee. He's amazing. He's the best thing.
Speaker 1: And because I mean, I say, look at mel Gibson.
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson said and did the most awful, hurtful, violent, racist,
Speaker 1: anti Semitic things, and yet all these years later, he's
Speaker 1: still a Hollywood A list and working because he's that famous.
Speaker 1: Or Um. Bill Cosby currently in jail serving time convicted
Speaker 1: of rape, and dozens of other women have accused Bill
Speaker 1: Cosby of rape as well. If he is released from
Speaker 1: jail before he dies, and if he wants to do
Speaker 1: a stand up comedy tour, he would sell tickets. A
Speaker 1: lot of people would go see Bill Cosby knowing that
Speaker 1: he's a rapist, and they wouldn't care. They would still
Speaker 1: go and see him do stand up. Um, along those lines,
Speaker 1: what do you think then, about the cancel society that
Speaker 1: we're in right now where it's just you know, like
Speaker 1: the Chris Harrison and he's just like or or you know,
Speaker 1: what do you think about cancel site where it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you did this, You're done, and you're just you have
Speaker 1: to lose everything. I don't believe that cancel culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that it is real. I mean I
Speaker 1: believe that people will it to be real, but nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten it only helps people. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at YouTubers, who are a lot of them,
Speaker 1: many very problematic ones canceled. Being canceled ends up only
Speaker 1: helping them. Um. I mean, of course, there's always exceptions,
Speaker 1: and there are times where people could really be canceled. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think we're reacting to four years of Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: and he and many others were fighting against political correctness, right,
Speaker 1: so we go from one extreme f political correctness too,
Speaker 1: then extreme cancel culture. And I don't think either of
Speaker 1: them are right. You know, Justin Timberlake recently came out
Speaker 1: with a very lengthy statement apologizing to both Britney Spears
Speaker 1: and Janet Jackson. And even after apologizing, which let me
Speaker 1: tell you he didn't have to, because I don't because
Speaker 1: Justin timber Lake is like Bill Cosby or like Mel Gibson,
Speaker 1: he's canceled proof even if he's awful, people still love
Speaker 1: him and we'll go see him in concert. Or if
Speaker 1: he feels like his reputation is severely damaged. He'll put
Speaker 1: He'll pull out his ACE card or his Trump card,
Speaker 1: whatever the expression is, and he'll say, you know what,
Speaker 1: people aren't liking me, So I'm gonna do an instinc
Speaker 1: reunion and have everybody love me again, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give them the instinct reunion that they want. But he
Speaker 1: gave an apology, and I thought it was heartfelt and sincere,
Speaker 1: and despite that, so many people were like, not good enough,
Speaker 1: too late, be more specific, how are you going to
Speaker 1: be better? Blah blah blah. And it's like so many
Speaker 1: people want to want to permanently cancel people and not
Speaker 1: give people the opportunity to grow and be better and
Speaker 1: do better. And that's like just crazy because nobody out
Speaker 1: there is perfect, nobody, no. And that's the frustrating part
Speaker 1: about it, is all these people saying not good enough,
Speaker 1: not this, not that. If they looked in the mirror
Speaker 1: for two seconds and think about the things that they
Speaker 1: did it just in their day, if they were to
Speaker 1: do that on a on a big stage like someone else,
Speaker 1: what would people say? You know, but it's easier to
Speaker 1: point the finger. And what's crazy too, is, you know, thankfully.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of discussion about media treatment and
Speaker 1: uh did we fail Britney Spears. And while I do
Speaker 1: think the media has changed a little bit, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much the general public has changed. I look
Speaker 1: back at Kanye West last year and so not even
Speaker 1: so many I would say, the majority of people when
Speaker 1: talking about Kanye West, we're not leading with empathy and
Speaker 1: compassion because he's struggling with his mental health as well.
Speaker 1: Or right now, you know, you're a singer as well
Speaker 1: as an actress, Channa. American Idol currently is featuring the
Speaker 1: daughter of Kelly Anne Conway, Claudia Conway, who's just sixteen
Speaker 1: years old and suffering severely with her mental health. She
Speaker 1: has told us and made these very serious allegations against
Speaker 1: her mother. Some including myself, think American Idol is exploiting
Speaker 1: Claudia Conway for ratings. So oh, everybody's like poor Brittany,
Speaker 1: But then like, why not poor Claudia too. It's like
Speaker 1: so many people media as well, and people are disassociated
Speaker 1: from things, and it's time also, you know, at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, I think of Diane Sawyer at the time
Speaker 1: when she was interviewing Brittany she really was speaking for
Speaker 1: so many people. Was she wrong Diane Sawyer at the time, Yes,
Speaker 1: we're all of these people wrong. Yes, But Diane Sawyer
Speaker 1: is not a villain. She's not a terrible, awful human being.
Speaker 1: She mishandled an interview and for all we know, she's
Speaker 1: apologized privately. I don't know. I apologize privately to Britney Spears,
Speaker 1: and I've apologized publicly as well. And I did it
Speaker 1: sincerely because I'm not somebody who's gonna apologize for something
Speaker 1: just like no, I'd rather sit on my sword and
Speaker 1: sandy kind what I said if I truly believe that,
Speaker 1: But if I genuinely am sorry, then I will. So
Speaker 1: I've apologized to Brittney, I've apologized to so many people.
Speaker 1: I have so many regrets. If I could go back
Speaker 1: in time and do things differently, I would. And that's
Speaker 1: not just b S. And I say that to everybody, like,
Speaker 1: really be careful of what you're saying on social media
Speaker 1: because that that's forever, and especially if you're a young person,
Speaker 1: it could come back to haunt you in five ten
Speaker 1: years time. Yeah, And I think you know, just kind
Speaker 1: of the moral of all of this is just nothing's perfect.
Speaker 1: Just do your best and you know, be kind and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and have conversations. And I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: and having a conversation. And you know, I got to
Speaker 1: know you better. You've got to know us better, and
Speaker 1: you know now I consider us friends. So I just
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and you know, I'm glad we were
Speaker 1: able to have this combo um our listeners, where can
Speaker 1: they find you at? Well, they can hear my podcast.
Speaker 1: Uh it's the Perez Hilton Podcast with Chris Booker. You
Speaker 1: can hear it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or directly at
Speaker 1: Perez podcast dot com. This week we talked Brittany, we
Speaker 1: talked Claudia Conway, and a lot more. Uh, an Army
Speaker 1: Hammer update. That story is just wild, um and lots
Speaker 1: more so it's pop culture and um, you know, my
Speaker 1: co host is kind of like your husband. We're very different. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys, you so much. Man, We appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. But I think that went well. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I love what you said at the end there where
Speaker 1: it's just we hope people can have the conversation, right
Speaker 1: if you don't agree with what somebody else has to
Speaker 1: say or you think they have a false you know,
Speaker 1: or they have a misconception on what the situation is. Like,
Speaker 1: have the conversation if you're able to were fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to be able to have a conversation with someone like
Speaker 1: Perez or maybe someone that might say something about us.
Speaker 1: But that's just it, right, Don't take it personal. Don't
Speaker 1: get all you know, bent out of shape. Just not
Speaker 1: the conversation. Yeah, because at the end of the day, look,
Speaker 1: we're going to say something else. The story we'll get
Speaker 1: run and we'll like the people that don't know us
Speaker 1: think we are that crazy to stay together, that you're
Speaker 1: just this and I'm just this, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: just read the reviews on our you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: controlling freak that can't stop bringing stuff up. And he
Speaker 1: is a cheater that will never stop cheating. So, you know,
Speaker 1: but what is in our marriage right now is we
Speaker 1: have a very strong foundation. We have our bad days,
Speaker 1: we have our amazing days, and that is we have
Speaker 1: more amazing days and bad That is very true. And
Speaker 1: you know, we just want to continue to bring hope
Speaker 1: to those couples that there is no perfect relationship if
Speaker 1: you do the hard work and someone is willing to
Speaker 1: fight it out with you. You can be stronger than
Speaker 1: you or yesterday and today, and that is the good fight,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Um, But team, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: I think bringing him on was absolutely brilliant and it
Speaker 1: was such a better It's such a great way of resolving,
Speaker 1: that's such a great way of moving past and it's
Speaker 1: so much more productive. That's some stupid Twitter war, Yeah, agreed,
Speaker 1: I agree, And I'm that's why I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: know he wanted to come on, because it was sitting
Speaker 1: with me weird and I'm like, you don't know us,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're telling us to get divorced, and
Speaker 1: I just and there's so many other outlets like that
Speaker 1: where but I'm like, with this is I would just
Speaker 1: like to have the conversation. And I'm glad that he
Speaker 1: came on, and you know, he shared his his story
Speaker 1: and his addictions, and I liked his question about if
Speaker 1: we someone gave us a hundred million dollars, but we
Speaker 1: still do it because it's not about the money for
Speaker 1: us with this, it's not and it's like I didn't
Speaker 1: even have to think about it because it's truly not like,
Speaker 1: it's not every time we come on here and talk,
Speaker 1: it's not always fun because it's hard because we have
Speaker 1: Mark and he's like, why were you fighting? Yeah? Tell
Speaker 1: us more. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Marks are very
Speaker 1: in his popcorn um, but no, it really is. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: even if we had all that money, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what are we going to do on the day to
Speaker 1: day or weekly to keep us busy? Well, this because
Speaker 1: this is the most gratifying and satisfying, you know, for
Speaker 1: those intangible you know, just regular human being reasons and
Speaker 1: we're helping. Right. That went nice, you know, I will say,
Speaker 1: I mean back in the day, it was just crazy,
Speaker 1: like going in there and you know, he would put
Speaker 1: things off the people's mouths with some of the most
Speaker 1: atrocious like I can't imagine if he was pressed now,
Speaker 1: like the presid then what he would like even said
Speaker 1: He's like, I'd probably say you cheating him or whatever. Like.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that he has changed his tune too,
Speaker 1: because I still look at his website, you know, and
Speaker 1: and to his point, even bringing up what he said
Speaker 1: about you know us, is like he didn't say anything
Speaker 1: derogatory or mean or he just stay as open he said,
Speaker 1: get divorced already, and then talking about us financially benefiting
Speaker 1: and that being the motivator, which is not the case. Well, um,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm pretty happy. How are you guys feeling
Speaker 1: over there? Loved that he didn't back down. I thought
Speaker 1: he would come on and he'd be like, oh, everything's fine,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean and I'm just kidding. But he didn't
Speaker 1: back down. He dug in his heels and had his
Speaker 1: opinions and defended them and it still worked out great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he had nothing to say sorry for, so he
Speaker 1: he didn't even need to say he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: say sorry, but he didn't need to say sorry because
Speaker 1: it was just about a conversation. There's nothing. He didn't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. But I could see I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying, though, Mark, because right you feel like so
Speaker 1: many people, it's easiest step on toes through social media,
Speaker 1: but then when they get confronted, they're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, just just throwing smoke on
Speaker 1: the fire, you know, throwing gas on the fire just
Speaker 1: didn't make it interesting. But yeah, he was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, the courage of his convictions and also he's
Speaker 1: such a good broadcast and interviewer. I love the questions
Speaker 1: you ask you guys. It was very compelling. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he asked great questions. I love the back and forth.
Speaker 1: We always love that dynamic of the back and forth. Okay, well, um,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to work, get out of here, boom,
Speaker 1: me and the kids got stuff to do. Oh guys,
Speaker 1: all right. I love you guys so much. And here's
Speaker 1: the here's your weekly motivation that we never do consistently.
Speaker 1: Be nice and you're on You're on this one. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at you too, like what honey, Just be nice
Speaker 1: and do the best you can. And you're not going
Speaker 1: to be perfect. Just know that, Okay,