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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel

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Speaker 1: one two. Actress Natalie Wood is dead at forty three,

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Speaker 1: the apparent victim of a drowning accident of Santa Catalina

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Speaker 1: Island in California. Bob Shell Now, after years of investigation

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Speaker 1: in the Last Hours, movie and TV star Robert Wagner

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Speaker 1: named a person of interest in the horrific drowning death

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Speaker 1: of his wife. Movie icon Natalie would, I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What led them to finally announce a person of interest?

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Speaker 1: Many people arguing that's uh legal cop talk jargon for

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Speaker 1: a suspect MS street swirling around the night that Natalie

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Speaker 1: would seemingly falls from her boat, her yacht the Splendor,

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Speaker 1: or from its dingy and dies in the dark waters

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Speaker 1: around Cataline Island, which is really l a Los Angeles County.

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Speaker 1: What really happened? The autopsy report didn't jive with the

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Speaker 1: theory it was an accidental drowning, according to many. Right

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Speaker 1: now breaking news that may have led police to name

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Speaker 1: her husband, Robert Wagner, TV star, a person of interest.

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star lineup, Cheryl mccolluman, director of

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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Institute, who has personally investigated the case.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Tourez Chuck, investigative reporter with Radar Online dot Com

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Speaker 1: and special guest, the author of Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendor,

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Speaker 1: Natalie's yacht's name Marty Ruley, First two you, Alexis Tourez Chuck.

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Speaker 1: The l A County authorities now naming TV star Robert

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Speaker 1: Wagner as a person of interest in a potential homicide.

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Speaker 1: What happened, Alexis so The police have said they recently

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Speaker 1: have received hundreds of new tips, and they have two

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Speaker 1: them enough information that they're saying that they are now

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Speaker 1: determining this to be Natalie's death to be a suspicious death.

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Speaker 1: They say that these witnesses have provided a completely different

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Speaker 1: account of what happened that night, and that they are

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Speaker 1: so credible that they've reopened this case and they're going

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Speaker 1: to investigate it as a death, a suspicious death. Guys,

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Speaker 1: this is a major bombshell, a major bombshell. In the

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Speaker 1: last hours, we learned new witnesses reportedly tail detectives they

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Speaker 1: saw TV star Robert Wagner arguing with his then wife

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Speaker 1: Natalie Wood on his boat, their yacht, the Blender, just

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Speaker 1: moments before she drowned in a horrific incident. He is

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Speaker 1: now named a person of interest by the l A

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Speaker 1: p D. The drowning death long deemed quote suspicious by police,

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Speaker 1: but they never did anything about it. But six years

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Speaker 1: ago they suddenly reopened the investigation. Was it from pressure

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Speaker 1: from the press? I know last year at crime con

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Speaker 1: um that we had in Indianapolis, we focused an entire

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Speaker 1: evening along with Cheryl McCullum's wine and crime. She did

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Speaker 1: the wine, I did the crime. Uh, Cheryl McCollum. We

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Speaker 1: focused completely that entire night with the help of about

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty amateur sleuth to dissect the case

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Speaker 1: and joining us. What's her sister, Lana? I think this

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Speaker 1: is a right call, Nancy. I think it's overdue back

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Speaker 1: to Alexis tourest chock radar on line dot com. Any

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Speaker 1: idea who the new witnesses are. The police have been

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Speaker 1: very very tight with this information, but one thing that

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Speaker 1: they said some more information that one of the witnesses

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Speaker 1: heard crashing and yelling from Robert and natalie stateroom. So

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Speaker 1: So this is a huge, huge change. They've never said

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Speaker 1: this before, but they heard this yelling crashing in the room,

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Alexis Torres Chuck. If they are saying

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Speaker 1: that this is a homicide, there are only a few

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Speaker 1: legitimate suspects, and they would be the people on the boat.

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Speaker 1: The people on the boat were the boat captain who

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Speaker 1: I interviewed extensively, Christopher Walking, her co star, Natalie's co

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Speaker 1: I really do not believe it's the boat captain that

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Speaker 1: at first the boat captain Davern didn't come clean, but

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Speaker 1: HLN Dennis What happened that night? Was there an argument

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Speaker 1: named a person of interest in the death of his

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Speaker 1: wife Natalie would Marty Ruley, author of Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendor.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on Amazon dot com. It just

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Speaker 1: struck me, guys, you're hearing me speaking with Natalie's boat

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Speaker 1: captain Dennis Davern Marty. Why is it that everybody wanted

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Speaker 1: These two witnesses came forward very early after the case

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is the police had close the case,

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Speaker 1: So there was this deep jealousy for many different reasons

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00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: within his persona when when it came to Natalie, and

428
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: sometimes he would it would come forward when he would

429
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: say things like that, where do you want to go

430
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: to dinner? Net Um tonight? Well as Natalie, she's the star.

431
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: She chooses first, it was just a little sarcastic way

432
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: of demeaning her and and all of her accomplishments. He

433
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: wanted her to be a stay at home wife. Natalie

434
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: was Hollywood, she was all about She worked from childhood

435
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: and then became a successful adults star. So it just

436
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: wasn't fair to do that to her. He called her

437
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: aspirations career demons. It wasn't. She was a star since

438
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: the time of her death, Marty, what is the trajectory

439
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: of Robert Wagner's career vince Natalie's death? He has You know,

440
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: he toured doing Love Letters Play with Stephanie Powers and

441
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: then with his now wife Jill st John Um. He

442
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: had a short lived show Lime Street, which was cut

443
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: short when Samantha Smith was killed in the plane crash,

444
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: and not much else than that. He has guest roles

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00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: on a few sitcoms and and c I s which

446
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: um ironically he played the father of who played him

447
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: in the Mystery of Natalie Wood movie, so he who

448
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: plays bull now. So it's kind of amazing, Cheryl McCollum

449
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: that Robert Wagner's career went on. I don't know, but

450
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: if he hears the thing. I think it's important that

451
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: people break this down and forget Natalie Wood and Robert

452
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: Wagner for a minute. And when you hear that somebody's

453
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: truly not searching the yacht, and they're not turning on searchlight,

454
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: and they're not calling the coast guard for help, and

455
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: they're not themselves screaming their name and almost throwing themselves

456
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: in the water looking for her, that should be very

457
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: telling to people. It's very telling to me. And also, Cheryl,

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00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: if this had been anybody other than so called Hollywood royalty,

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00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: they would have been picked up immediately. You're the last

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00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: person with the victim. The autopsy doesn't match up to

461
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: the story. I mean, according to Laanna, her own sister,

462
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: she was definitely afraid of the water. She would do

463
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: some water scenes, but she hated it and insisted the

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00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: water be uh below her chin at all times. And

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00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: for somebody like Natalie who put on hair and makeup

466
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: just to go to the grocery store, she's often pictured

467
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: with one of the like a silk scarf tied around

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00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: her head, very glamorous, because she would not go out

469
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: unless she was totally um in here and makeup. Because

470
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: she wanted to maintain that image. She always stayed very petite,

471
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: well dressed, perfectly groomed. No way with this woman have

472
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: gone out on a rubber dinghy in the middle of

473
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: the night in the ocean water wearing a flannel gown,

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00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: a puffy jacket, socks, wool socks, and no underwear. I'm

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00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: just telling you you would not do that. What else

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00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: stands out to you, Sheryl McCollum with the autopsy versus

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00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: the story that was spun at the time, the amount

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Speaker 1: of injuries to her body. Number One, she has injuries

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00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: to the front and back of her legs. Um she

480
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have head trauma, which means she didn't hit her

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00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: head and fall into the water. She does have injury

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Speaker 1: to her face. One she has injuries to her wrists

483
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: and her ankles and her knees again front and back,

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00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: which is so then you're trained to look for in

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00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: domestic violence cases injuries in the front and back of legs.

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00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: There were you know, like three hundred c ss of

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Speaker 1: urine in her body, which forensically they need to be

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00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: able to explain. So stop right there. Regarding the amount

489
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: of urine in her body, that's very significant. Wine. Most

490
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: of the time when someone drowns, their body's voids naturally

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00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: at death, so it may be indicative that she was

492
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: conscious when she went in the water. So again that's

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00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: something they need to look at very carefully. They need

494
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: to look at her injury and her height. And this

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: is something I talked with her Nandez about. It was

496
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: great they went to the splenda, but every one of

497
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: them were like six one six two six three. Natalie

498
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: was tiny. She was a little petite lady. So where

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00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 1: she would line up on that yacht is not where

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00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,840
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501
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: lined up on that dingy is not where they would

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Speaker 1: So it's imperative that you look at it from the

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Speaker 1: his boat. Where is she? I asked him. Doug looked

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Speaker 1: the police investigation ongoing into the tragic drowning of Hollywood

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: star Natalie Would new witnesses now emerging. According to police,

533
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Speaker 1: This has led investigators to deem her death a suspicious

534
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: death and name her former husband a person of interest

535
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: TV star Robert Wagner. For years, mystery has surrounded Natalie

536
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: Wood's death. Natalie Wood nominated for three Academy Awards. She

537
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: started West Side Story, Rubble without a Cause, so many more.

538
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: Her death went down on the weekend after Thanksgiving. She

539
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: was on board a yacht with her husband, Robert Wagner,

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Speaker 1: another Hollywood star Christopher Walkin, and the boat captain who

541
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: you've just heard from speaking to me, Dennis Davron. After

542
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: a night of heavy drinking, Natalie found floating dead in

543
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: the cold water around Catalina Island. This is right off

544
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: the southern California coast. At first it was ruled an accident.

545
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: The case was then reopened just six years ago to

546
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: see whether Wagner or anyone else played a role in

547
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: her death. That's right, Nancy, As you said, the reopened

548
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: investigation now has been going for six years and just recently,

549
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Detective Corona talked to CBS forty

550
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: eight hours about what has been uncovered and what the

551
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: result is. Do you believe Natalie Wood was murdered? I

552
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: think it's suspicious enough to make us think that something happened.

553
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Robert Wagner knows a lot more

554
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: about what happened to his wife than he's ever said? Well,

555
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: I think he absolutely does, because he's the last one

556
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: to see her at the time of the incident. Her

557
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: death was ruled an accident. This new information is substantial

558
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: no for us, and we want to take another look

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00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: at the case. So over the last six years, have

560
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: you been able to get even more evidence that makes

561
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: you question that this was an accident? We have There

562
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: are witnesses who were nearby the splendor that evening set

563
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: in the water somehow, and I don't think she's got

564
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: in the water by herself. Now. One of the witnesses

565
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: that have come forward describes hearing yelling and crashing coming

566
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: from the couple's stateroom. After that, separate witnesses here a

567
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: man and a woman arguing on the back of the boat,

568
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: and believe that was Natalie Wood and Robert Wagner. Now

569
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm not just pulling this out of thin air. I'm

570
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: getting this from a Sheriff's Department spokesperson, Nicole Nishita. She

571
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: is telling us what the witnesses are saying. The statements

572
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: differed from the original version of events. Why why was

573
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: a different story told at the time? And if there

574
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: is a person of interest? Is that just a nice

575
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: way Cheryl McCollum of saying suspect is a definite we

576
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: are putting a light on this man. They've never said

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00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: that before, so it is definitely a step in the

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00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: right direction. Now, Natalie's sister Laana keeps telling me Robert

579
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Wagner has not cooperated. Wagner says he has, but investigators

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00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: say Robert Wagner has not been interviewed since the investigation

581
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: was reopened. That's six years ago. They tried ten times,

582
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: at least, they say, to interview him in two thousand thirteen,

583
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: he refused why. He denies all involvement in Natalie Wood's death.

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00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: No charges have been filed against him. His publicists declines

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00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: to comment at this hour. But with conflicting versions of

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00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: what happened, uh, it's not that much of a conflict.

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00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Because Wagner writes in a two thousand memoir that he

588
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: and Walkin argued that night so severely, Alexis Torres Chuck

589
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: right or online dot Com that Wagner smashed a bottle

590
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: a glass in front of Natalie, and Natalie mortified at

591
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: this display in front of her guest, Christopher Walking, her

592
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: co star. She gets up and goes to her room

593
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: and shuts the door. So he admits there was a

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00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: violent argument that night. That's not in conflict anymore, Alexis.

595
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: But it's his version of it, and so far, it

596
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: seems like what these new witnesses coming forward are completely

597
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: contradicting what he's saying. He's saying that it was a

598
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: fight with Walking and Natalie was mad. But what the

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00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: witnesses are saying is it was a fight with Natalie,

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00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: and they're not saying that he was fighting with Walking. Yeah,

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00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: you know what, subtle but very important distinction, Alexis. You're

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00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: so right now, Marty Ruley. We have heard rumors of

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00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: people in the boat next to them hearing a woman's

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00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: voice saying help out in the water, and a man's

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00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: voice saying sure, honey, we're coming, kind of start santastically.

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00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: We've heard a lot of rumors. But this seems to

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00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: confirm those rumors. Marty, Yes, the rumors of an argument

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00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: that which are not rumors anymore. There was an argument

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00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: that Saturday night, but I'm not so sure that Natalie

610
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: was crying for help save me from drowning, as was

611
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: once reported, because um the person who reported that did

612
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: not stand behind that claim. When push came to Sheldon

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00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: the case was reopened. It's possible they heard the arguing,

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00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: like these other two witnesses heard the arguing and misconstrued it.

615
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Or I thought that they heard Natalie in the water,

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00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: But as Cheryl explained that three d c cs of

617
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: urine in Natalie's bladder that was overlooked in the autopsy

618
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: report makes it highly unlikely that Natalie was heard screaming

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Speaker 1: from the water. They may have heard the argument on

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00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the back of the boat. You know another thing, Selma

621
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Speaker 1: calling Her body was covered in bruises. The boat was

622
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: found with the oars still attached. It had never been

623
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: put in I guess in common parlance drive or even reverse.

624
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: It was in neutral. I don't even think it have

625
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: ever been turned on. It looked like it had just

626
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: been untied and let loose. But she didn't get in

627
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: that boat, no way. Um. And there's a lot I

628
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: think that would show that if they would try to

629
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Speaker 1: recreate it again with somebody of her stature. Here's the

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00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: bottom line for me, Nancy. Dennis de Verne has come forward,

631
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: he's talking, he has taken to polygraphs, he has passed.

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00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: Christopher Walking has come forward and cooperated. Marty's talking, You're talking,

633
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to talk. Robert Wagner is the only person

634
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: and not talking and not coming forward. So the cloud

635
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: of suspicion is tremendous at this juncture. We all know,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl that just being a person of interest is not

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00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: enough two allow police to force him to talk. You

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00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: can't force anybody to give a statement now if it's

639
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: a witness. If it's a witness, you can hold them

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Speaker 1: in contempt if they refuse to testify because they a

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Speaker 1: witness doesn't have a right to the Fifth Amendment to

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Speaker 1: invoke the fifth. But right now, there's no way they

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Speaker 1: can force him to talk. And he's not talking. If

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Speaker 1: it's if he's innocent, why not talk. But here's the

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00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: great thing, Nancy, They've got his original statement, they've got

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Speaker 1: interviews that he gave where he said, yes, she must

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00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: have hit her head and got knocked out, and telling

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00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: the water. They've got his new book where he says

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00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: he smashed the wine bottle, so they know his story

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00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: has changed by his own hands, which Cheryl was just

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00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: saying is so important, because the reason Robert Wagner won't

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00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: cooperate in the new investigation is because if he does,

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Speaker 1: he knows he won't incriminate himself. He's already incriminated himself

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Speaker 1: enough And it's the strongest circumstantial case a crime investigation

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Speaker 1: could have. And I hope that celebrity won't interfere with

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Speaker 1: how they move forward. And I don't think that his

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00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: age should have anything to do with holding back or

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00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the years and decades between the actual death and the

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Speaker 1: new investigation, because a crime is a crime, and he

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00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: should be held accountable as any average joe would be

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Speaker 1: in this type of a death. What is telling is

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Speaker 1: Dennis Davern, the yacht captain, who tells me we didn't

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Speaker 1: take any steps to see if we could locate Natalie.

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Speaker 1: Wagner didn't want me to call the coast guard. He

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Speaker 1: has trucked to me not to turn on the searchlight.

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Speaker 1: He says it was a matter of we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: look too hard, and we're not going to turn on

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Speaker 1: the searchlight. We're not going to notify anybody right now.

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Speaker 1: The cover ups started immediately. Robert Wagner knew what happened,

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Speaker 1: and his fear was for himself, not for his wife

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Speaker 1: who was in the dark ocean. She feared her entire life.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum way in to prove what we're saying about

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Speaker 1: Natalie's frame of mind and how she would have never

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Speaker 1: gone out in bed groow'. We told those folks at

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Speaker 1: Wine and Crime go online right now, try to find

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00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: a bad picture of that woman. It doesn't exist. She

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Speaker 1: was lawless all the time. She would have never ever

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Speaker 1: left like that would not have happened. And they can

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Speaker 1: also go there's a UM. There's an interview with UM

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Speaker 1: Robert Uh Sunday check hymn Uh. Robert played bullet Sunday

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Speaker 1: at John Thomas Redford where Robert Redford. They're at a

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00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: party and he boots Natalie up playfully and just runs

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Speaker 1: and leaks in the pool with her. He said he

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Speaker 1: always felt horrible about that because he did not know

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Speaker 1: how debilitating you know, water was for her. Even a

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Speaker 1: swimming pool she was afraid of. She didn't even like

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Speaker 1: to get in her own pool. And Beverly Hills, she

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00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: was that afraid of water. So these are all things

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Speaker 1: you can hear them say. Pull up Robert Wagner, watch

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00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: him talk about her, and really listen to what he says.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna come to your own conclusion that, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of creeping me out because what he's saying

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Speaker 1: and what we know he did at night or bizarre.

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Speaker 1: And here's the only other thing, Nancy. He did not

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Speaker 1: go and identify Natalie at the Morgue at the next

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Speaker 1: of ken he said, Dennis to burn. Well, in my

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Speaker 1: mind that that's just incredible. That's incredible behavioral evidence. He

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Speaker 1: has not been shunned by Hollywood. But you know, Hollywood

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00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: doesn't write the criminal code, and Hollywood is not going

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Speaker 1: to be sitting in that jury box that it ever

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Speaker 1: comes to that as of now, through his publicist Robert

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Speaker 1: Wagner and says he is innocent and had nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with Natalie Wood's death. He is not a suspect.

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Speaker 1: He is a person of interest. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,