Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi Tory, Tory, Tory, it is so good to meet you, Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy.
Speaker 3: I wish you were here with me in person.
Speaker 2: Me too, you know, I love being with my clients
Speaker 2: or or people i'm talking to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well we'll pretend you're right here holding my hand.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting in life. Do you find all the
Speaker 3: people you have helped organize and get through things with
Speaker 3: that if you're quite literally there with them, almost like
Speaker 3: holding their hand, they tend to free more stuff up.
Speaker 2: It seems that way, Tori. Here's what I know. If
Speaker 2: one person is working on a project all buy themselves,
Speaker 2: you know, it's harder to do. You get another person in,
Speaker 2: whether they're an expert organizer or just you know, a
Speaker 2: friend who's helping you out Right, it's going to go
Speaker 2: faster no matter what. Well, unless we're stuck in the
Speaker 2: decision making. Ah.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have been there in the past in my
Speaker 3: life and decision making, but I don't feel like i'm
Speaker 3: there right now.
Speaker 2: Good good. I actually heard I was listening to your
Speaker 2: podcast the other day and I heard you say you're
Speaker 2: kind of ready to get rid of a lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: you felt like you're just.
Speaker 3: There for sure. I mean I had different moments over
Speaker 3: the years, and I think this has been documented, like
Speaker 3: on past reality shows everything, because I've always been pretty
Speaker 3: you know, upfront with everything, open book to my detriment sometimes.
Speaker 3: But I like to say it like it is because
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the human connection. I feel like it humanizes
Speaker 3: all of us and gives us a connection whether we're
Speaker 3: in person or not. But I did. I used to
Speaker 3: place emotional attachment on inadamant objects y'all do, and.
Speaker 2: Most of us kind of in our age groups, you know,
Speaker 2: one decade less or more. You know, we have some
Speaker 2: of our identity tied up to the kind of work
Speaker 2: that we've done. You know, if you're a chef, then
Speaker 2: you're going to have a lot of chef recipes, a
Speaker 2: lot of magazines, a lot of you know, equipment throughout
Speaker 2: the kitchen. It's just going to be more of And
Speaker 2: here you are in your world, and you've got a
Speaker 2: lot of swag, and you've got a lot of I'm
Speaker 2: imagining right products that come to you. Please bless our products.
Speaker 2: You know, you have all this stuff coming in, plus
Speaker 2: you've got your kids, and when you have a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff from in your world. I work with a
Speaker 2: lot of celebrities. There's a lot of stuff you are
Speaker 2: not alone.
Speaker 3: Fair Fair definitely. I think once a lot comes in,
Speaker 3: if you don't actively put it away, organize it, you know,
Speaker 3: give it away, it does tend to pile up. And
Speaker 3: then it's like when you're working, I'm trying. I'm being mindful,
Speaker 3: I think right now, because I don't want to defend
Speaker 3: myself and I don't want it to sound like I'm
Speaker 3: like no, but the fact is I'm a single, working mom,
Speaker 3: I have five children. These are all just facts. I
Speaker 3: don't have any help, and my ex helps us a lot,
Speaker 3: but I don't physically have you know, when I did
Speaker 3: this with the podcast last week, my co host Amy
Speaker 3: we had talked about, you know, she's one single woman
Speaker 3: and she has a whole staff, and I was like,
Speaker 3: that's awesome, you know, but every situation is different, and
Speaker 3: I'm happy for her. But for me, I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 3: even one other pair of hands, human hands, would help
Speaker 3: me through life, because it's just you know, when they
Speaker 3: say it takes a village, it really does. And if
Speaker 3: you don't have that village or one other person. It's
Speaker 3: it is. It's a hard task to do. And I
Speaker 3: do think a lot of times I get this one
Speaker 3: a lot. People say, we have five kids, you have
Speaker 3: a built in helping village, and I say, yeah, I suppose,
Speaker 3: But I think that takes the mind of someone when
Speaker 3: you're used to being like, I'll just do it all myself,
Speaker 3: and you don't ask for help. You don't even think
Speaker 3: to ask your own children. If that makes sense, Oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And you know you are a strong woman
Speaker 2: who has been able to do nearly all of it yourself, right,
Speaker 2: and so that's built into the system. And by the way,
Speaker 2: there is nothing for you to defend. If anyone's going
Speaker 2: to you, it's me because I'll tell you why when
Speaker 2: you're particularly women, but you know, men and women, if
Speaker 2: you have a lot of projects going on, and I know,
Speaker 2: just listening to the various podcasts of yours, you've got
Speaker 2: a lot going on. But if you take the average
Speaker 2: person who might be at home and let's say they
Speaker 2: just go to what a travel expo, you know, and
Speaker 2: get one of those bags full of all sorts of goodies,
Speaker 2: then they want to bring home of trips they want
Speaker 2: to take and things they want to do, and they
Speaker 2: come home and put it on the dining room table,
Speaker 2: right yeah, and there it is with full intention to
Speaker 2: take action on it. But something comes up. A parent
Speaker 2: has to go to the er, a kid has to
Speaker 2: have a sudden you know meeting, you know with mom
Speaker 2: and the teacher. Something else comes up, and so they're
Speaker 2: that project is and then here's this other one. Now
Speaker 2: we've got insurance claims, and now we've got all these right,
Speaker 2: and then upcome was some sort of an activity that is,
Speaker 2: you know, oh Mom, I need you tonight or whatever
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: So here it is.
Speaker 2: It's just the layering of it all. Yes, and then
Speaker 2: how do you unwind to get back to it? If
Speaker 2: you have a lot of projects, sometimes the stuff being
Speaker 2: stacked isn't about the stuff, but rather about not being
Speaker 2: able to get back to that first thing that piled up. Right,
Speaker 2: you just.
Speaker 3: Described my whole life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, many people's lives, my life, My life included.
Speaker 3: Literally the thing is. So let's just say, like you said,
Speaker 3: a travel expo bag, let's say a gift bag for instance,
Speaker 3: Like I am part of the iHeart family. That's where
Speaker 3: my podcast lives. Like the last iHeart event I went to,
Speaker 3: there is a gift bag and people gave amazing things
Speaker 3: and everything. That gift is still here. Yeah, that gift
Speaker 3: bag is still on, like you said, a table, and
Speaker 3: I think about it every day. I walk by and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh man, I got to sort through that
Speaker 3: gift bag. I remember my friend wanted this piece from it.
Speaker 3: I was going to give this thing to my daughter. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll get to that later because life doesn't stop. And
Speaker 3: then yes, yeah, yeah, and the priorities of it all
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And here's what I got from the at least
Speaker 2: the podcast that I listen, you know, to prior this
Speaker 2: is that you do have your priorities in order. Your
Speaker 2: kids are your priorities. I totally get it. And I
Speaker 2: also heard that you are up to taking care of yourself.
Speaker 2: So I don't care how much clutter you have, you
Speaker 2: or anybody else. Yeah, as long as those priorities are
Speaker 2: in place. So it's when the clutter is getting in
Speaker 2: the way of things, oh hey, let's deal with it.
Speaker 2: And for me, Torri, when I look at sort of
Speaker 2: people who have a lot of clutter and a lot
Speaker 2: of projects going on, I like to look and say, really,
Speaker 2: maybe it's the infrastructure that's missing.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think it's not all about the clutter.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So if it's the infrastructure you mentioned, just the simple
Speaker 2: task of putting away putting things away, like you didn't
Speaker 2: get a chance to do that, right or.
Speaker 3: There's also no room to put it away, So it
Speaker 3: does like I think we probably all deal with this.
Speaker 3: You know, I have five kids. We are stopped up.
Speaker 3: We like we don't have a pantry, which I'm not
Speaker 3: like boohoomy, but I do have five kids, and that
Speaker 3: is one of the things when I was renting this
Speaker 3: house I didn't think about. I didn't think you know,
Speaker 3: the kids were like, oh my gosh, this is great.
Speaker 3: These bedrooms are amazing, the backyard's great, we have a pool. Everything.
Speaker 3: It was like, yes, here's a kitchen, there's a den
Speaker 3: off shooting the kitchen so you guys can hang out,
Speaker 3: I can cook, Like those are the things keeping the
Speaker 3: family together. That's very important to me. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: until after we moved in and Ruthanne was here and
Speaker 3: helping me put things away that were like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 3: there's a few cabinets under the kitchen counter. There's no
Speaker 3: actual like pantry, remember reason Yeah, And I was like, shoot,
Speaker 3: I didn't even think of that. And another thing like
Speaker 3: I do have a lot of clothing. I have gotten
Speaker 3: rid of a lot of clothing over the years, but
Speaker 3: moving into this house, clothing did come with me. And
Speaker 3: I also was like, oh, shoot, this house doesn't have
Speaker 3: a closet. Yeah, this slighting door, but like yeah, yeah stuff, yeah,
Speaker 3: well if I may just yeah, booo problems. But I'm
Speaker 3: just so it's like going back to this one gift bag.
Speaker 3: Not only do I mean to sort through it and
Speaker 3: give the things to the people that I think would
Speaker 3: like it or keep for myself, I also don't have
Speaker 3: the room, so anything that comes in, And I don't know,
Speaker 3: are we all still supposed to go about that whole
Speaker 3: old notion of if one thing comes in, one thing
Speaker 3: goes out? Are we still are we supposed to live
Speaker 3: by that still?
Speaker 2: Well, if it works for you, okay, it has to
Speaker 2: work for the person. Just because that kind of mantra
Speaker 2: is out there doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work
Speaker 2: for this this this person, right, And how can you
Speaker 2: even keep track of this little you know over here
Speaker 2: compared to what else is there. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: looking brick to get rid of a fair amount of stuff,
Speaker 2: then it really just requires a team to come in
Speaker 2: and have you or this supplas to anybody, right, You
Speaker 2: just have a team that comes in and lays it
Speaker 2: all out, like with like lotions with lotions, gift bags
Speaker 2: with gift bags, electronics and chords over here. You know,
Speaker 2: that's how it goes. Kitchen stuff over here, stuff that
Speaker 2: belongs in an office over here. And then I say, okay,
Speaker 2: or let's just look at all these gift bags, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna be okay that I'd like to the whole
Speaker 2: Let's just make a bag for this friend and this
Speaker 2: friend and this family member and denat.
Speaker 3: I'd like to.
Speaker 2: And then we do that, that little section is boom.
Speaker 2: So then we go to the electrical cords and we say, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely have duplicates here. I can get rid of
Speaker 2: three of these cords. They're all the same. So when
Speaker 2: you see all those items or suitcases and luggage, those
Speaker 2: are bags, line them all up and that's when they're
Speaker 2: all together, it's easier to make the decision and you
Speaker 2: just go boom, boom, boom. And then we have runners
Speaker 2: taking those things to where they're supposed to go back
Speaker 2: up to the kids room, out to the garage, give away.
Speaker 3: To out of the house, gone, out of the house, gone,
Speaker 3: I was saying last night we were on the phone.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, you guys really aren't
Speaker 3: hearing me. Anything that is not living and breathing in
Speaker 3: the house. Let's give it away.
Speaker 2: See and can you can I can sense this, and
Speaker 2: can you see for yourself you're in the right frame
Speaker 2: of mind.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yes project, yes, yes, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And I remember, like my friend Amy was saying, like,
Speaker 3: but you used to hold on to this. I was like, yes,
Speaker 3: I used to, but I went through so much personally
Speaker 3: in the last you know, three years the family. You know,
Speaker 3: we went through a lot of changes, emotionally, physically, all
Speaker 3: of it. And now I can't even imagine being like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm so emotionally attached to that, Like
Speaker 3: that doesn't really even come up. You know. I have
Speaker 3: my kids' photos, art projects when they're young, like I
Speaker 3: have that stuff that means something, something they can pass on,
Speaker 3: so there's a legacy. I know those things were important
Speaker 3: to me, Like the couple things I have from my dad, Like,
Speaker 3: I want to give them that to pass down. But
Speaker 3: other than that, anything that's coming here that's new, that
Speaker 3: doesn't mean things of the family. I'm like, great, let's
Speaker 3: donate it to someone who needs it. But I physically
Speaker 3: don't have that man power. Why do they call it
Speaker 3: man power? It should be women power.
Speaker 2: It should be woman power. You're right, it just comes
Speaker 2: off the tongue that way for so many of us.
Speaker 2: But you know, when it does come to stuff and
Speaker 2: smaller things and details, it is more female, if you will,
Speaker 2: you know, those little detailed things. So maybe we'll change
Speaker 2: it to woman power.
Speaker 3: Woman power. Yes, I just honestly, I just need the
Speaker 3: physical help transporting it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's another thing too, when it comes to
Speaker 2: stuff and clutter, some of us are hard wired for it.
Speaker 2: It's in the you know, front of our brain here,
Speaker 2: wired for organizing. You know, I was a gymnast growing up,
Speaker 2: so everything was repeated and done over and over again. Right,
Speaker 2: And in your world, I'm imagining I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: But in your world, I'm imagining you're a creative person. Right.
Speaker 2: So we've got left brain, right brain create. You know,
Speaker 2: right brain is creative. Are our right brain creative and
Speaker 2: left is analytical ll. So you know, if you're more
Speaker 2: of a creative type. So many people thrive. If you
Speaker 2: think about artists, they thrive on having just a little
Speaker 2: bit of chaos, so or we could call it inspiration.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what makes a creative mind creative. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's your situation or not.
Speaker 3: Definitely, organically, my brain doesn't go to organizing, it doesn't
Speaker 3: go to using something and then putting it back. My
Speaker 3: brain's like, go go, go, go, go onto the next
Speaker 3: thing fast. We got to cram everything in time management.
Speaker 3: Working on it never been my strong suit. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I you know, I can recall a time in my
Speaker 3: life when I was married and when the kids were
Speaker 3: younger and I was able at the time to have
Speaker 3: a lot of support around raising and kind of managing
Speaker 3: my village, and I did thrive. I did thrive. So
Speaker 3: it's just in my mind, I'm like, I've always thrived creatively,
Speaker 3: it's just right now, so I know I've had it before.
Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, I had people working with
Speaker 3: me and I was like no, no, no, Like I
Speaker 3: was happy when people could help organize me or help
Speaker 3: me with pickups and drop offs and all of that.
Speaker 3: So I definitely thrived on having people assist me even
Speaker 3: though I won't ask for help. So yeah, I just
Speaker 3: would like to get back to that, and I think
Speaker 3: it would really start just It's interesting after we did
Speaker 3: the podcast last week, a lot of people are reaching
Speaker 3: out to me on DMS and instant Messenger and you know,
Speaker 3: all of that, saying, oh my gosh, if I lived closer,
Speaker 3: I'd come help you. I'd come help you. And I'm
Speaker 3: just like, Hey, any friends out there want to come
Speaker 3: over and help I mean, ruth Anne has offers all
Speaker 3: the time, but we're usually working. We produce together as well,
Speaker 3: so we have so many other projects besides the podcast,
Speaker 3: so we're running to meetings and on our TV shows
Speaker 3: and doing it like we're doing all of that. But
Speaker 3: she's like, if we have a second, I will help you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if I have any friends out there that
Speaker 3: live in the area that are actually listening to my podcast,
Speaker 3: just come over and help me, please.
Speaker 1: But I want to say I do want to say
Speaker 1: something about that because even though I find and I
Speaker 1: wonder if this is a thing that it's much easier
Speaker 1: for me to go and help like declutter or help organize,
Speaker 1: or just in general help somebody else as opposed to myself.
Speaker 1: So like I'll say to you, Tori, oh, I'll come.
Speaker 3: Over and we can go through the gifts and whatever.
Speaker 3: And meanwhile they'll be like a.
Speaker 1: Dack of papers or something I haven't unpacked, or you know,
Speaker 1: laundry that I haven't dealt with, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just turn my back on that and
Speaker 1: go run and deal with somebody else's stuff because somehow
Speaker 1: that's easier. I don't know if that, Dorothy, is it
Speaker 1: a common thing or that's just me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think you know you, all
Speaker 2: of you have come up with a lot of the
Speaker 2: answers already. Now it's just how do we make it happen? Right,
Speaker 2: You've talked about the possibilities, and you know you're interested
Speaker 2: in kind of making it happen. So the first thing
Speaker 2: is to I don't care how far out it is, Tori,
Speaker 2: but if you can calendar one day of organizing, not
Speaker 2: just an hour, but a day where you do have
Speaker 2: a crew, and whether it's me and some of your
Speaker 2: fans and all of us come in great, I'll lead
Speaker 2: the team and we will sort and we will put things.
Speaker 3: Can I film? That'd be fun TV show?
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be kind of fun to do?
Speaker 3: Look at me? I'm like, okay, now my producer brain's
Speaker 3: here again. Wait, let's film it. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: But can you see that's the creative side, and that's
Speaker 2: the other project right and and there it goes, and
Speaker 2: that that's no mistake. That's in your DNA. That creativity.
Speaker 2: We want to hold on to that. And how do
Speaker 2: you be organized and creative altogether in one?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Please? And so if I were there with you, I
Speaker 2: would say, here's what we should do. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: a brain domp. Because it's I mentioned it once. I'm
Speaker 2: going to mention it again.
Speaker 3: You brand deal brain don't. Oh sorry you said brain
Speaker 3: dump and my brain heard brand deal on brand comes
Speaker 3: from the brain dump.
Speaker 2: It's the misspelling that happened right there.
Speaker 3: Good happen. I'm ready, yeah.
Speaker 2: But what happens is again, it's not the stuff that
Speaker 2: we're talking about. And this is for anybody. What's going
Speaker 2: underneath is what we want to talk about. And if
Speaker 2: you have you know these thoughts. Oh, I wish I
Speaker 2: had some help, Okay, I you know, I have this
Speaker 2: project over here. I need to do this podcast. Oh
Speaker 2: my kid has some sort of you know, production that
Speaker 2: I need to attend. All these things going on, I'd
Speaker 2: want to try that recipe. I've got that swag bag.
Speaker 2: I've got to handle. These are just little things. You've
Speaker 2: got so much more. I know this, But we want
Speaker 2: to dump all that literally onto a piece of paper.
Speaker 2: Or you have your chat. I know you have a
Speaker 2: name for your little.
Speaker 3: Chat, Mona my chat, yeah Tea.
Speaker 2: You can download to Mona or brain dump to Mona.
Speaker 2: But it's getting all those items chunked together, you know,
Speaker 2: and prioritizing all of your projects and your thoughts. Because
Speaker 2: once those are prioritized. If organizing is way up on
Speaker 2: the list, then it's going to happen faster. If it's not,
Speaker 2: if you've got other projects, it's still going to stay lower.
Speaker 2: So picking a date, okay, picking a date like it's
Speaker 2: a vacation, like it is, you know, a kid's graduation day,
Speaker 2: you're not going to miss. That's where it happens. That's
Speaker 2: when it happens for anyone.
Speaker 3: Interesting That all makes sense for me personally. What really
Speaker 3: stood out there for me is that I don't write
Speaker 3: things down.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, tell me about that.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's talk about that, because that interests me all
Speaker 3: the time because I know it's connected to something that
Speaker 3: component of my brain. It's almost a challenge for myself,
Speaker 3: Like I I could just take out a piece of
Speaker 3: paper and literally write down the things I have to do.
Speaker 3: I could literally write down I only recently, like, for instance,
Speaker 3: I've written six books. And before there was the iPhone,
Speaker 3: there was the BlackBerry, which no longer exists. But I've
Speaker 3: been writing books since I believe it was two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight or two thousand and seven. So I used
Speaker 3: to write them on my BlackBerry and people would be like,
Speaker 3: do you have a computer, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well where's it? I don't know. I'm under that pile
Speaker 3: over there. No, I'm just kidding, but yeah, I'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a computer. I've never learned to use a computer.
Speaker 3: And then I remembered because they'd be like, why do that?
Speaker 3: Seems so much harder to do everything like this, And
Speaker 3: it was harder, but it was like I thrived on
Speaker 3: it being harder. And then I remembered a story that
Speaker 3: my dad used to write all of his shows on
Speaker 3: a legal notepad, and before that he has he had
Speaker 3: an old school typewriter which I have that my mom
Speaker 3: gave to me when he passed. But you know, and
Speaker 3: they kept trying to update him and say, you know,
Speaker 3: this will be easier. Let us teach you how to
Speaker 3: use the computer to and he like was no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's like a refusal. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: my brain is kind of the same. Not that this
Speaker 3: makes sense or is correct, but it was only until
Speaker 3: ruth Anne knows this only into what this this past
Speaker 3: year ruth An that I actually put things down in
Speaker 3: a calendar in my phone. Yeah, and that was the
Speaker 3: game changer. Ish this a crazy part is and I
Speaker 3: stand by this. I remember everything so like we could
Speaker 3: talk about a date here and whereas anyone else would
Speaker 3: be like, oh, let me look at my calendar, let.
Speaker 2: Me look it up.
Speaker 3: I could tell you what date it's happening and what
Speaker 3: timing is happening, just from having someone say it out
Speaker 3: loud one time.
Speaker 2: And yes you might if I jump in here, no
Speaker 2: please do, because this is it, This is what, this
Speaker 2: is where it's at. I believe for you. And again,
Speaker 2: this is everybody on the planet practically, But if you
Speaker 2: don't have a place to put if you know that
Speaker 2: it's going to something is going to occur on you know,
Speaker 2: April seventeenth, that's great, your brain has it, beautiful.
Speaker 3: Never mind that.
Speaker 2: You have five other children and friends and family and
Speaker 2: so on that you're also keeping dates for correct. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you've got the date. Proud of you for that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a little flip about it. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing. When it comes to that date, when
Speaker 2: that's meeting, then where's the information that supports that April
Speaker 2: seventeenth date? Let me show you. Don't go away. I'm
Speaker 2: still here. But I teach electronic organizing, no problem. I
Speaker 2: teach people how to use their phones and calendars, no problem.
Speaker 2: But here's my calendar written old school, old school, old school, because.
Speaker 3: I really have an aversion to that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, But I can go to April seventeenth
Speaker 2: and I can write down the nine things that I
Speaker 2: wanted to remember on that date and things that I
Speaker 2: want to take with me on that date. And if
Speaker 2: you're not doing that, if you're not because life is
Speaker 2: moving too fast, then I heard you again say on
Speaker 2: your podcast, someone who.
Speaker 3: Can write it down. Yes, that's so for another set
Speaker 3: of human hands, though.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 3: Do you see where we like, I really go back
Speaker 3: to that. I do.
Speaker 2: I've got some ideas for that, okay, if that's okay.
Speaker 3: Please okay.
Speaker 2: And you may have tried some of these things before,
Speaker 2: but you know, when I listened to the podcast, and
Speaker 2: I get that you guys were really going raw and
Speaker 2: some of it was just you joking around. So I
Speaker 2: get that. But on the other hand, some people need
Speaker 2: a personal assistant and some people need a professional executive assistant. Okay.
Speaker 2: You had also mentioned the term like a mother's helper,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I don't see that for you, okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: I see an executive assistant who really manages your time.
Speaker 3: That's what my brother just said the other day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh good, good, good, okay.
Speaker 3: Because my brother was trying to help me. He's he
Speaker 3: is very like he's a creative, but he's a life coach,
Speaker 3: so he is good at writing things down and you know,
Speaker 3: doing all of that. He's a libra. So I was
Speaker 3: He's like, let me like help you tell me what
Speaker 3: is your love letter for someone coming in that would
Speaker 3: assist you? And I said, this is so crazy. I'm
Speaker 3: having a hard time because I'm I couldn't merge the
Speaker 3: personal and professional. And he said, I think he said
Speaker 3: the same thing. He's like, you're asking for everything from
Speaker 3: one person that's not and you're not going to end
Speaker 3: up doing it or finding the person. And I said, correct,
Speaker 3: I'll just keep doing it all myself and it's unbearable.
Speaker 3: And he said, I would go to the professional route.
Speaker 3: So you guys are saying the same thing.
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh good good. And that's Randy, right, Yes, your
Speaker 2: brother's okay, good good good. Yeah, so he gets an
Speaker 2: A plus for that one. Y, right, But what I
Speaker 2: would say is if you haven't tried the you know,
Speaker 2: we live in the Los Angeles area, so you know,
Speaker 2: USC or UCLA is a great place to start in
Speaker 2: terms of going to the MBA, you know, the Masters
Speaker 2: of Business and just seeing if they have people who
Speaker 2: want to assist. Okay, they are in the learning curve, true,
Speaker 2: but they are also smart about how to manage their time.
Speaker 2: And there's another one called the International Association of Administrative Professionals. Okay,
Speaker 2: so it's not the typical look at.
Speaker 3: Us, I'm writing something down. Sorry, it will never this
Speaker 3: just will get lost somewhere in the shovel, but I
Speaker 3: am writing it down. No, I'm hoping it won't be. Sorry,
Speaker 3: Can you tell me that name one more time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the International Association of Administrative Professionals. Take
Speaker 2: a look there now. Also, you know, you can consider
Speaker 2: there's also the National Association of Productivity and Professional Organizers.
Speaker 2: So it's called NAPO dot net. NAPO dot net, it's
Speaker 2: my industry organization. You'll find me there. You'll find hundreds
Speaker 2: of organizers in the area. They all have different Some
Speaker 2: love love love paperwork, some people like basements and garages,
Speaker 2: you know. So you can find a professional organizer there
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Now, would this be to hire an organizer or to
Speaker 3: hire someone that has those skills to help me on
Speaker 3: a professional level? Full with other stuff?
Speaker 2: Okay, so the professional NAPO dot net, that's where you're
Speaker 2: going to find professional organizers have organizing skills like time management,
Speaker 2: like electronic organizing, whatever it is, like you think is
Speaker 2: the biggest need for you first, And when I say you,
Speaker 2: I mean everybody who's listening, right, And when I talk
Speaker 2: about the administrative Assistance group, that's specifically to find an
Speaker 2: admin who is an executive, which is what I believe
Speaker 2: you might need.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question in your humble pine.
Speaker 3: So I just I say things and ask things just
Speaker 3: kind of as they come to my because this is
Speaker 3: all a realization process as well. So interestingly enough or
Speaker 3: not to anyone. As you're telling me these names, I'm
Speaker 3: writing them down. I already inside got a fear of
Speaker 3: reaching out. Yeah, but maybe, but I don't. Okay, this
Speaker 3: is weird. My whole life, I've had a fear of
Speaker 3: the phone. Yeah, yes, is this common?
Speaker 2: Lots lots of people have a fear of the mail
Speaker 2: and mail box too, Keep going, keep.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, So I'm aging myself here. But when
Speaker 3: I was young, we had a landline and there wasn't
Speaker 3: you know, if there wasn't Internet, there wasn't Google, there
Speaker 3: wasn't Siri, like you know, we had to actually pick
Speaker 3: up the phone and dial for one one to get
Speaker 3: the operator to get a business number and connect it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. If I said this in front of
Speaker 3: my kids, so they would zone out and be like,
Speaker 3: you are the oldest human on the face of this planet,
Speaker 3: and they're like, and then you hammered it into the stone.
Speaker 2: Tablet.
Speaker 3: I'm like, kind of okay, actually I don't have a
Speaker 3: fear of stone tablets, but uh so, fred Fla, I'm
Speaker 3: starting to get choked up in shake right now talking
Speaker 3: to you. And I'm a public figure, actress, in podcast host,
Speaker 3: and that's I can do all that. But the thought
Speaker 3: of like being younger and having to pick up the
Speaker 3: phone dial four one one ask an operator who didn't know.
Speaker 3: I remember my brother being like, they don't know it's you.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not about that, it's my voice would
Speaker 3: go up super high, like Hi, can I please? And
Speaker 3: ruth Anne knows this voice because to this day, when
Speaker 3: we go somewhere, if it's we call it my ordering voice,
Speaker 3: like ruth Anna, I'll be talking like this and look,
Speaker 3: I'm like can I take your I'm like, hi, please,
Speaker 3: can I have a savage like? I think it comes
Speaker 3: from a fear of anyone assisting me. Yeah, in anything.
Speaker 3: As if I came into the world thinking who I
Speaker 3: was and my family was that I expected things. So
Speaker 3: my brain from a young age went the opposite of
Speaker 3: being ashamed to ask anyone for anything, even calling the
Speaker 3: operator yeah, like you don't deserve it. I just realized
Speaker 3: this by the way, as we're talking, thank you, Dorothy.
Speaker 1: You've become very meek.
Speaker 3: Oh, just don't even pay attention to me. I'll just
Speaker 3: take a crumb from the bread baskets as all stop.
Speaker 3: You just said that my heart saying. I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't deserve that even okay, you know, I just.
Speaker 2: Want to share. You know, I've got a similar one.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different, and I'm what I call,
Speaker 2: you know, an HSP, right, a highly sensitive person. Right.
Speaker 2: So for me, there's a lot there. I have a
Speaker 2: ton of fears, you know, and that's what has me
Speaker 2: eat too much sugar. And somebody else out there has
Speaker 2: a different fear, which might have them collect too much stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, this is what goes on. There's anxiety that's
Speaker 2: attached to it. I, for example, can speak to a thousand,
Speaker 2: two thousand people, not a problem. I am out there
Speaker 2: with a scripted thing. I can go off book just
Speaker 2: like you ken when you're doing your acting. And yet
Speaker 2: when I have to host a party, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: talking one on one, making sure everybody's okay. I have
Speaker 2: anxiety around that. Okay, So everybody has their thing and
Speaker 2: if yours is on the phone. It's understandable. I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody's got their thing.
Speaker 3: But what you're saying and what ruth An saying, like
Speaker 3: it's all a higher thing. Like it's not just the phone.
Speaker 3: It's emailing someone and asking for help or going to
Speaker 3: this website and actually following through because at the end
Speaker 3: of it, I'm asking someone to step in and assist me.
Speaker 3: And that feels super uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does. And therefore, Hama, may I say
Speaker 2: one reason I would suggest the executive assistant. If it's
Speaker 2: you know, if it's in your budget to do that
Speaker 2: for whatever number of days you can, you can say
Speaker 2: can you call or can you be with me while
Speaker 2: I'm on speakerphone and call? You know, I guess.
Speaker 3: So I've had this in the past and it works
Speaker 3: really well. Like I can't call the doctor's office and
Speaker 3: make an appointment, but if I have an assistant, I
Speaker 3: they yes, and they'll do it, and I'm great, Like
Speaker 3: I can do all the creative It's literally that type
Speaker 3: of stuff that takes me down, things that are as simple.
Speaker 3: And I also have a bad habit though, and this
Speaker 3: is all lines up, is when people do work for me,
Speaker 3: I feel so guilty that we become best friends. I
Speaker 3: want to do stuff for them, like it's it's hard
Speaker 3: for me to separate because of the way I grew up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we might be twins here, we might be twins.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I just went on a trip to Dubai and Thailand,
Speaker 2: and I just got back last week, and my mom's
Speaker 2: super sick. And even though I had someone caring for
Speaker 2: my mom, a family member caring for my mom, Tory,
Speaker 2: was I feeling guilty or wasn't I you know the answer, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you felt guilty because it's the way I brought I
Speaker 2: was brought up. Okay, So you know, for me, I
Speaker 2: do twelve step programs to manage that emotional stuff. And
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I'm not ashamed to say it
Speaker 2: because it is changing my life. Getting rid of the
Speaker 2: guilt is one of the key pieces for my life
Speaker 2: to work better. Just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: I will just say, guilt for me, I feel is
Speaker 1: the biggest albatross around my neck. So I applaud you
Speaker 1: that you kind of found a way to unload yourself
Speaker 1: of guilt. Thank you, Toy. You know, I feel like
Speaker 1: you suffer from this too. This is you know, guilt syndrome.
Speaker 3: Wait, what is it? What is the proper name for that?
Speaker 2: I mean it is it's just guilt. It's just guilt,
Speaker 2: just guilt. But it's this idea that I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't feel like I can have fun unless everybody else
Speaker 2: is in order and they're.
Speaker 3: Okay, same, and then it's gone to the extent where
Speaker 3: I still can't have fun, right, Yes.
Speaker 2: And that requires that's like going to the gym. I
Speaker 2: have to practice this all the time. And what if
Speaker 2: what if those feelings might be a reason that we
Speaker 2: look the other way when there's a bag on the
Speaker 2: table and this is for everybody, and it might not
Speaker 2: be guilt for some of your listeners, it might be
Speaker 2: oh being you know, holding too many resentments. You know,
Speaker 2: if you've got too many resentments, that might be a cause.
Speaker 2: Like again, it's never about the stuff, it's what's going
Speaker 2: on underneath. And if we're finding out there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of guilt for you there and I know there's
Speaker 2: a ton of it for.
Speaker 3: Me, then toun of it for me. Yeah, And guilt
Speaker 3: is oh guilt guilt is not my guilty play like
Speaker 3: I yeah, it's like crazy, but I it's interesting because yeah,
Speaker 3: my dad always had a lot of guilt, so that
Speaker 3: that definitely like was something we grew up like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's in our nature, like we're just we
Speaker 3: feel guilty, and it's like okay, And I could see
Speaker 3: some of my kids have it and some don't. Like
Speaker 3: my oldest feels guilty about everything. So he and I
Speaker 3: like we work on that together. He's said I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm like no, no, no, and then he's like, okay,
Speaker 3: but you don't say sorry. I'm like, you're right. So
Speaker 3: we like, you know, imaginary sorries for nothing, that you've
Speaker 3: done nothing wrong. But it's like, it's so interesting that
Speaker 3: that can be like in our DNA and we're not
Speaker 3: even aware of it. Like I raised all my children
Speaker 3: the same, but certain ones have it, certain ones don't.
Speaker 2: Right right, And look, I was trained in it. Not
Speaker 2: to belittle my mother, but I was trained in guilt,
Speaker 2: really good training. I know what it's like to feel
Speaker 2: guilty and to make others feel guilty. I had to
Speaker 2: let go of that too. So I heard in one
Speaker 2: of the meetings that I went to that it's and
Speaker 2: I don't mean to say this about you, this is
Speaker 2: about me, but I heard them say to me, and
Speaker 2: I was appalled that guilt is very selfish, Like what,
Speaker 2: how could that be possibly be wild? How could that
Speaker 2: possibly be?
Speaker 3: No, that makes perfect sense. I've never heard it put
Speaker 3: that way. You're right, guilt is incredibly selfish. Do you think, yeah, well,
Speaker 3: well we're not doing it on purpose. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think I don't know. Words are so loosely thrown around
Speaker 3: in this in this generation, I fear ever saying, you
Speaker 3: know the word narss, you know, if someone's a narcissist,
Speaker 3: And it's like, we all use the word narcissists, we
Speaker 3: all use the word gaslighting. Like it's just so, I've
Speaker 3: come in the last two years to kind of redefine
Speaker 3: words for how it works for me, not what works
Speaker 3: for everyone, because not nothing works for everybody. We're not
Speaker 3: a box, we're not a unit or individuals, we're humans.
Speaker 3: So defining something by a dictionary description doesn't work for everybody.
Speaker 3: So my point is, yeah, I the guilt spills over
Speaker 3: to everyone around you. So that's when I agree it
Speaker 3: does become selfish.
Speaker 2: Oh it does. Imagine me if you will not that
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make your podcast about me. But here
Speaker 2: I am I'm in another country with my husband and
Speaker 2: you know, his family, and we're having a great Wait
Speaker 2: a second, they are having a great time because I'm
Speaker 2: worried and I'm guilty and I shouldn't have booked the
Speaker 2: trip for so long. Tori, I knew I shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: I just do you know it takes something to get
Speaker 2: out of that. It takes a phone call to somebody
Speaker 2: in one of my meetings to get over this guilt.
Speaker 2: And then I can pull it together and enjoy my
Speaker 2: swim in the ocean, warm, warm water. But again, I
Speaker 2: could either eat sugar or I could manage the guilt.
Speaker 3: I've never been a sugar person.
Speaker 2: Well, you might do something else. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick on you for one.
Speaker 3: Sex please everyone else does. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: When I listen to the podcast, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you use the word but I I don't have.
Speaker 2: Is it Ramona? Is that your lady?
Speaker 3: No, you're Aramona Mona Mona.
Speaker 2: I took your podcast and I asked chat GPT to
Speaker 2: tell me what word came up the most in that
Speaker 2: podcast about clutter. Do you want a guess or do
Speaker 2: you want me to tell.
Speaker 3: You tell me swirl?
Speaker 2: What if, Tori, what if swirl were your thing? Like
Speaker 2: I eat sugar when I feel guilty, when you feel guilty?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm picking up what you're putting across here. So
Speaker 3: let's put aside swirl and say chaos, because that's how
Speaker 3: I used to refer to what you are referring to
Speaker 3: a swirl. It gives me energy and.
Speaker 2: Energy you know, is that carries us. It carries us
Speaker 2: through projects, it carries us through days that we can't
Speaker 2: do the day, whatever it might be.
Speaker 3: It's interesting when you refer to this. When I think
Speaker 3: about it, Here's the thing. I'm not a person that
Speaker 3: people think instinctually like, oh, you get defensive and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you everything, like I'm telling you, and
Speaker 3: it's human to kind of be like, but I am
Speaker 3: this or I have this. It's not that I'm defending
Speaker 3: the situation, but I will tell you about things. So
Speaker 3: this I likened too when I was younger, and you'd
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, kind of like bummed down, quiet, and
Speaker 3: then someone would come in and be like, oh, did
Speaker 3: you hear so and so was dating so and so.
Speaker 3: In school, you would hear that, and you'd be like
Speaker 3: what what And it was like this chatter woke you
Speaker 3: up even though you were so tired in your first class.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yes, yes, they would. That's a
Speaker 3: note so and so because so and so behind the lockers.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just age myself again. Can you'd
Speaker 3: be like zoning out in history class and be like what,
Speaker 3: I'm awake now? It was yeah, swirrel, chaos, the drama,
Speaker 3: the energy. Yes.
Speaker 2: So when one has a big life, yes, I say
Speaker 2: you might. When you have a big family, I say
Speaker 2: you might. When you have a lot of ideas, I
Speaker 2: say you might. Right, you're going to be in the
Speaker 2: spirit of a lot of energy giving and a lot
Speaker 2: of energy sucking. And you know, so there you are
Speaker 2: and who in the world. And this is just something
Speaker 2: I say to anyone out there, who in the world,
Speaker 2: after you do your day, wants to do any organizing
Speaker 2: about anything, especially if it's not in your DNA.
Speaker 3: No, yes, I'm terrible with time management. But even if
Speaker 3: I were to have the odd hour off where it's
Speaker 3: not work related or kid related, I'm speaking freely. I
Speaker 3: will literally And Ruth Anne knows this beyond with Mona
Speaker 3: and I've created. Last week, there was one hour so
Speaker 3: I could have yess, technically, I could have organized and
Speaker 3: in that one hour I came away from that hour
Speaker 3: with a leg warmer collection I fully designed it, and
Speaker 3: a jewelry collection.
Speaker 2: You see, beautiful creative projects are practical, doesn't mat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ideas are practical. I mean, I have to
Speaker 1: say that I think I'm having a revelation about you, Tori,
Speaker 1: is that you're void and behavior is being wildly creative
Speaker 1: and genius. Mine is going to take a nap, Like
Speaker 1: when I want to avoid doing something, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: am a narc electic all of a sudden. Tori, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, designs a jewelry collection and getting rid
Speaker 1: of the clutter.
Speaker 3: And I often think about this. I mean, Ruthanne is
Speaker 3: my co host, my producer, but she's also one of
Speaker 3: my best friends. We've known each other how long twenty
Speaker 3: five thirty years? Yep, yep, so we know everything about
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm always amazed because I cannot sleep, like sleep. It's
Speaker 3: very hard for me because my brain won't shut off.
Speaker 3: So I'm always amazed that when she's stressed, she does
Speaker 3: When she's stressed, she will sleep, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: how can she sleep? I always thought that was a
Speaker 3: male quality, not a female. I always like in that,
Speaker 3: like growing up that men. You know, you see pictures
Speaker 3: of everyone being like, oh they have a baby, right,
Speaker 3: and they're like always the photos of the father the baby,
Speaker 3: and the baby's napping, the father's asleep. Meanwhile, women like,
Speaker 3: you know, we would never be able to fall asleep
Speaker 3: while we're with our baby. Like it's just like male
Speaker 3: versus female on some level. So I am I always
Speaker 3: think about that, and Jess as well, Rutha. Jess can
Speaker 3: fall asleep anywhere. So like two of my best friends,
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, how do they do that? But you're right,
Speaker 3: my version of that with stress is creating. We shouldn't
Speaker 3: be like a trillionaire by now.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, well it's there's still a lot
Speaker 2: of times chick, yeah, but you're welcome. But here it is, here,
Speaker 2: it is. What's missing is the infrastructure, the infrastructure to
Speaker 2: capture the leg warmers, the jewelry, the yesterday's idea, what's
Speaker 2: coming up, and having someone to support you, like where
Speaker 2: do you put that idea?
Speaker 3: How do you?
Speaker 2: And then how do you prioritize it. Really maybe jewelry
Speaker 2: is it? Does it move way up this? You know
Speaker 2: above other projects? See this is what is not I'm
Speaker 2: guessing in place for you is that project management system
Speaker 2: of toy and Toy.
Speaker 3: I need a project manager. Yeah, like for what project
Speaker 3: Project tory? Yeah, project Tory can make a difference in
Speaker 3: this world for everybody. I'm telling you, I have the
Speaker 3: heart there, I just need the infil structure, Dorothy, I
Speaker 3: I am not kidding, I was. I had anxiety getting
Speaker 3: on this podcast with you today. Okay, I had anxiety,
Speaker 3: and I right now I think I'm in love with you.
Speaker 3: There's so many epiphanies happening during this session with you.
Speaker 3: I am so grateful, Oh God, just because we're talking
Speaker 3: it through and things are coming to light that I
Speaker 3: never thought we're associated. If that makes sense, It does
Speaker 3: make sense.
Speaker 2: But I will tell you you see you CLA did
Speaker 2: a study on the number of items in the average home.
Speaker 2: It's something like three hundred or four hundred thousand items
Speaker 2: in the average home. Who everybody is facing this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I see, I hear your shock, Ruthan, But really it's
Speaker 2: it's it's just rampant for all of us. I wrote
Speaker 2: a book toy called stuff your face or face your stuff, right,
Speaker 2: And that's because I either faced my stuff or I
Speaker 2: ate so those one or the other. So it could
Speaker 2: be that, or it could be you know, one about
Speaker 2: you know, guilt avoidance. You know, Ruthanne mentioned the word
Speaker 2: avoidance earlier. So maybe it's not really it's a collection
Speaker 2: of stuff. It's the piles that we have. You know,
Speaker 2: I have reporters and you know, sports figures and all
Speaker 2: sorts of folks who have stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, what's coming to mind as we keep talking
Speaker 3: about these things, and I sometimes things just come to
Speaker 3: my mind. So I say it dream catchers. Yeah, what
Speaker 3: would be the version? It's almost like a clutter catcher
Speaker 3: or a we're trying to just think of terms here.
Speaker 3: Whatever gets someone to refocus on somebody that makes them happier, Like,
Speaker 3: how do we merge those? Yeah, well, I love a
Speaker 3: new business here.
Speaker 2: Well I love the term DreamCatcher inside of it all,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, clutter catcher could work too, But
Speaker 2: there's still the infrastructure.
Speaker 3: We should we trademark that. I can't stop.
Speaker 2: I can't see the brain is and Tori, this is
Speaker 2: it for you, honey, yeah, if I could do anything,
Speaker 2: I would be your full time assistant, twenty four hours
Speaker 2: a day, just writing down your ideas. It's hard to
Speaker 2: have so many ideas and be so creative, it really is.
Speaker 2: And I do you know how many book ideas I
Speaker 2: have in my my in basket over here, just tons,
Speaker 2: so many.
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm not making this about me, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make this about me. Whenever people give me compliments, I
Speaker 3: can't take them. Correct ruthan, she fell asleep. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: just kidding, but I'm bunch that was a call back.
Speaker 3: Sorry she got stressed.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh god, no, uh yeah.
Speaker 3: You are correct. You are correct. When you just said
Speaker 3: that someone would follow me around and write down all
Speaker 3: of my creative ideas for once, I didn't say like,
Speaker 3: oh no, I'm not worthy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that would be You say that all
Speaker 1: the time, which is funny because you are always like
Speaker 1: all I need is.
Speaker 2: Following you around writing down your ideas.
Speaker 3: That's all I say. I will drive poor ruth and
Speaker 3: mad because we will be talking about something and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, wait, you know what would be funny?
Speaker 3: We could do this idea? And she's like, thank God
Speaker 3: bless her brain, semi worklife. So she's like, can follow,
Speaker 3: but it's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so there's this.
Speaker 3: Paper and paper, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be brief on this. There's a thing
Speaker 2: called body double A and I when I say that,
Speaker 2: I follow people around, like I have CEOs that I've
Speaker 2: worked with, right, who are my clients, And they can't
Speaker 2: understand why they can't even take a lunch. There's no
Speaker 2: time to go to the restroom. You know what's going on?
Speaker 2: The gas is running out of their car. I mean,
Speaker 2: these are very successful people and the electricity bill has
Speaker 2: just turned off. Why is this happening? Because when I
Speaker 2: follow them around, they and I'll use the term because
Speaker 2: it's so common, they are swirling. It's just one idea
Speaker 2: after the next, after the next. They can barely keep
Speaker 2: up with themselves. Their brain is so active, and so
Speaker 2: we need one person to keep track of it, help
Speaker 2: us prioritize it, and a strong person who can say,
Speaker 2: you've got to put one in priority position here because
Speaker 2: all the rest has to wait. I have people doing
Speaker 2: that for me because I've got a lot going on
Speaker 2: in my brain.
Speaker 3: My dear, Okay, wait, what did I say? We needed
Speaker 3: red in stenographer. Now we did say.
Speaker 1: That, but then we cracked out because that wasn't really
Speaker 1: what we meant.
Speaker 3: But now, well, yeah, I just need someone to follow me.
Speaker 3: Everybody to follow you around? Like case no good in theory, Like,
Speaker 3: let's test it out. Let's have someone follow me around
Speaker 3: all day, just for twenty four hours and write down
Speaker 3: everything and see what happens. Yeah, that's what a lot
Speaker 3: of Then you actually have to make changes. That's a
Speaker 3: good stup. It's perspect.
Speaker 2: You. Let me know if you want anything. If you
Speaker 2: want me to come and follow you, I'll follow you
Speaker 2: for a day.
Speaker 3: No, I'll follow you. Wait stop, no, seriously, you're making
Speaker 3: me feel guilty.
Speaker 1: Oh Tory, stop let her let her come and help you.
Speaker 1: Please wait, let her help you help me.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I mean I would love to get together with you, Dorothy,
Speaker 3: but I know you're super busy, but I would be. Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you. We'll stay in touch, no problem.
Speaker 2: But I'm here for you if you need a little
Speaker 2: bit of anything. No, seriously, thank you. I'm grateful honestly
Speaker 2: for you or your listeners. You let me know.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh my god, I feel so good that
Speaker 3: we did this podcast today.
Speaker 2: Thank you too, You're a gem.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Warning warning, warning, warning compliment.
Speaker 3: Look at me. I took it. Now I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: on the phone mic drop.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dorothy, You're welcome. What a pleasure. By Hon