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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi Tory, Tory, Tory, it is so good to meet you, Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy.

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Speaker 3: I wish you were here with me in person.

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Speaker 2: Me too, you know, I love being with my clients

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Speaker 2: or or people i'm talking to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well we'll pretend you're right here holding my hand.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting in life. Do you find all the

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Speaker 3: people you have helped organize and get through things with

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Speaker 3: that if you're quite literally there with them, almost like

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Speaker 3: holding their hand, they tend to free more stuff up.

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Speaker 2: It seems that way, Tori. Here's what I know. If

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Speaker 2: one person is working on a project all buy themselves,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's harder to do. You get another person in,

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Speaker 2: whether they're an expert organizer or just you know, a

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Speaker 2: friend who's helping you out Right, it's going to go

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Speaker 2: faster no matter what. Well, unless we're stuck in the

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Speaker 2: decision making. Ah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have been there in the past in my

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Speaker 3: life and decision making, but I don't feel like i'm

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Speaker 3: there right now.

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Speaker 2: Good good. I actually heard I was listening to your

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Speaker 2: podcast the other day and I heard you say you're

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Speaker 2: kind of ready to get rid of a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 2: you felt like you're just.

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Speaker 3: There for sure. I mean I had different moments over

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Speaker 3: the years, and I think this has been documented, like

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Speaker 3: on past reality shows everything, because I've always been pretty

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Speaker 3: you know, upfront with everything, open book to my detriment sometimes.

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Speaker 3: But I like to say it like it is because

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed the human connection. I feel like it humanizes

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Speaker 3: all of us and gives us a connection whether we're

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Speaker 3: in person or not. But I did. I used to

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Speaker 3: place emotional attachment on inadamant objects y'all do, and.

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Speaker 2: Most of us kind of in our age groups, you know,

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Speaker 2: one decade less or more. You know, we have some

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Speaker 2: of our identity tied up to the kind of work

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Speaker 2: that we've done. You know, if you're a chef, then

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Speaker 2: you're going to have a lot of chef recipes, a

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Speaker 2: lot of magazines, a lot of you know, equipment throughout

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Speaker 2: the kitchen. It's just going to be more of And

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Speaker 2: here you are in your world, and you've got a

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Speaker 2: lot of swag, and you've got a lot of I'm

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Speaker 2: imagining right products that come to you. Please bless our products.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have all this stuff coming in, plus

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Speaker 2: you've got your kids, and when you have a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff from in your world. I work with a

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Speaker 2: lot of celebrities. There's a lot of stuff you are

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Speaker 2: not alone.

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Speaker 3: Fair Fair definitely. I think once a lot comes in,

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Speaker 3: if you don't actively put it away, organize it, you know,

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Speaker 3: give it away, it does tend to pile up. And

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Speaker 3: then it's like when you're working, I'm trying. I'm being mindful,

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Speaker 3: I think right now, because I don't want to defend

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Speaker 3: myself and I don't want it to sound like I'm

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Speaker 3: like no, but the fact is I'm a single, working mom,

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Speaker 3: I have five children. These are all just facts. I

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Speaker 3: don't have any help, and my ex helps us a lot,

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Speaker 3: but I don't physically have you know, when I did

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Speaker 3: this with the podcast last week, my co host Amy

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Speaker 3: we had talked about, you know, she's one single woman

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Speaker 3: and she has a whole staff, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: that's awesome, you know, but every situation is different, and

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for her. But for me, I'm like, gosh,

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Speaker 3: even one other pair of hands, human hands, would help

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Speaker 3: me through life, because it's just you know, when they

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Speaker 3: say it takes a village, it really does. And if

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Speaker 3: you don't have that village or one other person. It's

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Speaker 3: it is. It's a hard task to do. And I

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Speaker 3: do think a lot of times I get this one

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Speaker 3: a lot. People say, we have five kids, you have

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Speaker 3: a built in helping village, and I say, yeah, I suppose,

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Speaker 3: But I think that takes the mind of someone when

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Speaker 3: you're used to being like, I'll just do it all myself,

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Speaker 3: and you don't ask for help. You don't even think

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Speaker 3: to ask your own children. If that makes sense, Oh yeah, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And you know you are a strong woman

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Speaker 2: who has been able to do nearly all of it yourself, right,

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Speaker 2: and so that's built into the system. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: there is nothing for you to defend. If anyone's going

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Speaker 2: you're particularly women, but you know, men and women, if

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Speaker 2: just listening to the various podcasts of yours, you've got

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Speaker 2: a lot going on. But if you take the average

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Speaker 2: person who might be at home and let's say they

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Speaker 2: just go to what a travel expo, you know, and

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Speaker 2: get one of those bags full of all sorts of goodies,

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Speaker 2: right yeah, and there it is with full intention to

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Speaker 2: take action on it. But something comes up. A parent

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Speaker 2: and the teacher. Something else comes up, and so they're

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Speaker 2: that project is and then here's this other one. Now

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Speaker 2: we've got insurance claims, and now we've got all these right,

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Speaker 2: and then upcome was some sort of an activity that is,

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Speaker 2: you know, oh Mom, I need you tonight or whatever

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Speaker 3: So here it is.

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Speaker 2: It's just the layering of it all. Yes, and then

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Speaker 2: how do you unwind to get back to it? If

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Speaker 2: you have a lot of projects, sometimes the stuff being

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Speaker 2: stacked isn't about the stuff, but rather about not being

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Speaker 2: able to get back to that first thing that piled up. Right,

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Speaker 2: you just.

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Speaker 3: Described my whole life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, many people's lives, my life, My life included.

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Speaker 3: Literally the thing is. So let's just say, like you said,

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Speaker 3: a travel expo bag, let's say a gift bag for instance,

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Speaker 3: Like I am part of the iHeart family. That's where

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Speaker 3: my podcast lives. Like the last iHeart event I went to,

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Speaker 3: there is a gift bag and people gave amazing things

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Speaker 3: and everything. That gift is still here. Yeah, that gift

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Speaker 3: I think about it every day. I walk by and

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Speaker 3: I was going to give this thing to my daughter. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll get to that later because life doesn't stop. And

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Speaker 3: then yes, yeah, yeah, and the priorities of it all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And here's what I got from the at least

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Speaker 2: the podcast that I listen, you know, to prior this

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Speaker 2: is that you do have your priorities in order. Your

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Speaker 2: also heard that you are up to taking care of yourself.

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Speaker 2: So I don't care how much clutter you have, you

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Speaker 2: or anybody else. Yeah, as long as those priorities are

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Speaker 2: in place. So it's when the clutter is getting in

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Speaker 2: And for me, Torri, when I look at sort of

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Speaker 2: people who have a lot of clutter and a lot

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Speaker 2: of projects going on, I like to look and say, really,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's the infrastructure that's missing.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think it's not all about the clutter.

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Speaker 2: So if it's the infrastructure you mentioned, just the simple

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Speaker 2: task of putting away putting things away, like you didn't

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Speaker 3: There's also no room to put it away, So it

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Speaker 3: does like I think we probably all deal with this.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have five kids. We are stopped up.

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Speaker 3: We like we don't have a pantry, which I'm not

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Speaker 3: like boohoomy, but I do have five kids, and that

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Speaker 3: is one of the things when I was renting this

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Speaker 3: These bedrooms are amazing, the backyard's great, we have a pool. Everything.

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Speaker 3: It was like, yes, here's a kitchen, there's a den

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Speaker 3: helping me put things away that were like, oh, shoot,

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Speaker 3: there's a few cabinets under the kitchen counter. There's no

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Speaker 3: I do have a lot of clothing. I have gotten

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Speaker 3: rid of a lot of clothing over the years, but

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Speaker 3: moving into this house, clothing did come with me. And

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Speaker 3: I also was like, oh, shoot, this house doesn't have

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Speaker 3: a closet. Yeah, this slighting door, but like yeah, yeah stuff, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well if I may just yeah, booo problems. But I'm

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Speaker 3: just so it's like going back to this one gift bag.

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Speaker 3: are we all still supposed to go about that whole

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Speaker 2: Well, if it works for you, okay, it has to

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Speaker 2: work for the person. Just because that kind of mantra

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Speaker 2: for this this this person, right, And how can you

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Speaker 2: then it really just requires a team to come in

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Speaker 2: all out, like with like lotions with lotions, gift bags

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Speaker 2: with gift bags, electronics and chords over here. You know,

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Speaker 2: or let's just look at all these gift bags, and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be okay that I'd like to the whole

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Speaker 2: Let's just make a bag for this friend and this

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Speaker 2: friend and this family member and denat.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to.

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Speaker 2: And then we do that, that little section is boom.

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Speaker 2: So then we go to the electrical cords and we say, okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I definitely have duplicates here. I can get rid of

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Speaker 2: three of these cords. They're all the same. So when

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Speaker 2: you see all those items or suitcases and luggage, those

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Speaker 2: are bags, line them all up and that's when they're

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Speaker 2: all together, it's easier to make the decision and you

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Speaker 2: just go boom, boom, boom. And then we have runners

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Speaker 2: taking those things to where they're supposed to go back

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Speaker 2: up to the kids room, out to the garage, give away.

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Speaker 3: To out of the house, gone, out of the house, gone,

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Speaker 3: I was saying last night we were on the phone.

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, you guys really aren't

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Speaker 3: hearing me. Anything that is not living and breathing in

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Speaker 3: the house. Let's give it away.

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Speaker 2: See and can you can I can sense this, and

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Speaker 2: can you see for yourself you're in the right frame

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yes project, yes, yes, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And yes you might if I jump in here, no

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Speaker 3: of human hands, though.

431
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: There it is.

432
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: Do you see where we like, I really go back

433
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: to that. I do.

434
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: I've got some ideas for that, okay, if that's okay.

435
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: Please okay.

436
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: And you may have tried some of these things before,

437
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: but you know, when I listened to the podcast, and

438
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: I get that you guys were really going raw and

439
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: some of it was just you joking around. So I

440
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: get that. But on the other hand, some people need

441
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: a personal assistant and some people need a professional executive assistant. Okay.

442
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: You had also mentioned the term like a mother's helper,

443
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I don't see that for you, okay, Okay,

444
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: I see an executive assistant who really manages your time.

445
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: That's what my brother just said the other day.

446
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh good, good, good, okay.

447
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: Because my brother was trying to help me. He's he

448
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: is very like he's a creative, but he's a life coach,

449
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: so he is good at writing things down and you know,

450
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: doing all of that. He's a libra. So I was

451
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: He's like, let me like help you tell me what

452
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: is your love letter for someone coming in that would

453
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: assist you? And I said, this is so crazy. I'm

454
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: having a hard time because I'm I couldn't merge the

455
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: personal and professional. And he said, I think he said

456
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: the same thing. He's like, you're asking for everything from

457
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: one person that's not and you're not going to end

458
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: up doing it or finding the person. And I said, correct,

459
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: I'll just keep doing it all myself and it's unbearable.

460
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: And he said, I would go to the professional route.

461
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: So you guys are saying the same thing.

462
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh good good. And that's Randy, right, Yes, your

463
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: brother's okay, good good good. Yeah, so he gets an

464
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: A plus for that one. Y, right, But what I

465
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 2: would say is if you haven't tried the you know,

466
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: we live in the Los Angeles area, so you know,

467
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: USC or UCLA is a great place to start in

468
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: terms of going to the MBA, you know, the Masters

469
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: of Business and just seeing if they have people who

470
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: want to assist. Okay, they are in the learning curve, true,

471
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: but they are also smart about how to manage their time.

472
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: And there's another one called the International Association of Administrative Professionals. Okay,

473
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: so it's not the typical look at.

474
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: Us, I'm writing something down. Sorry, it will never this

475
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: just will get lost somewhere in the shovel, but I

476
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: am writing it down. No, I'm hoping it won't be. Sorry,

477
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: Can you tell me that name one more time?

478
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the International Association of Administrative Professionals. Take

479
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: a look there now. Also, you know, you can consider

480
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: there's also the National Association of Productivity and Professional Organizers.

481
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: So it's called NAPO dot net. NAPO dot net, it's

482
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: my industry organization. You'll find me there. You'll find hundreds

483
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: of organizers in the area. They all have different Some

484
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: love love love paperwork, some people like basements and garages,

485
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: you know. So you can find a professional organizer there

486
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: as well.

487
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: Now, would this be to hire an organizer or to

488
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: hire someone that has those skills to help me on

489
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: a professional level? Full with other stuff?

490
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so the professional NAPO dot net, that's where you're

491
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: going to find professional organizers have organizing skills like time management,

492
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: like electronic organizing, whatever it is, like you think is

493
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: the biggest need for you first, And when I say you,

494
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: I mean everybody who's listening, right, And when I talk

495
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: about the administrative Assistance group, that's specifically to find an

496
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: admin who is an executive, which is what I believe

497
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: you might need.

498
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question in your humble pine.

499
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: So I just I say things and ask things just

500
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: kind of as they come to my because this is

501
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: all a realization process as well. So interestingly enough or

502
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: not to anyone. As you're telling me these names, I'm

503
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: writing them down. I already inside got a fear of

504
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: reaching out. Yeah, but maybe, but I don't. Okay, this

505
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: is weird. My whole life, I've had a fear of

506
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: the phone. Yeah, yes, is this common?

507
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Lots lots of people have a fear of the mail

508
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: and mail box too, Keep going, keep.

509
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, So I'm aging myself here. But when

510
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: I was young, we had a landline and there wasn't

511
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: you know, if there wasn't Internet, there wasn't Google, there

512
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: wasn't Siri, like you know, we had to actually pick

513
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: up the phone and dial for one one to get

514
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: the operator to get a business number and connect it.

515
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. If I said this in front of

516
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: my kids, so they would zone out and be like,

517
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: you are the oldest human on the face of this planet,

518
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: and they're like, and then you hammered it into the stone.

519
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: Tablet.

520
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, kind of okay, actually I don't have a

521
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: fear of stone tablets, but uh so, fred Fla, I'm

522
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: starting to get choked up in shake right now talking

523
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: to you. And I'm a public figure, actress, in podcast host,

524
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: and that's I can do all that. But the thought

525
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: of like being younger and having to pick up the

526
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: phone dial four one one ask an operator who didn't know.

527
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: I remember my brother being like, they don't know it's you.

528
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not about that, it's my voice would

529
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: go up super high, like Hi, can I please? And

530
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: ruth Anne knows this voice because to this day, when

531
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: we go somewhere, if it's we call it my ordering voice,

532
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: like ruth Anna, I'll be talking like this and look,

533
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: I'm like can I take your I'm like, hi, please,

534
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: can I have a savage like? I think it comes

535
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: from a fear of anyone assisting me. Yeah, in anything.

536
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: As if I came into the world thinking who I

537
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: was and my family was that I expected things. So

538
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: my brain from a young age went the opposite of

539
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: being ashamed to ask anyone for anything, even calling the

540
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 3: operator yeah, like you don't deserve it. I just realized

541
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: this by the way, as we're talking, thank you, Dorothy.

542
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: You've become very meek.

543
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: Oh, just don't even pay attention to me. I'll just

544
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: take a crumb from the bread baskets as all stop.

545
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: You just said that my heart saying. I was like,

546
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: I don't deserve that even okay, you know, I just.

547
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: Want to share. You know, I've got a similar one.

548
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different, and I'm what I call,

549
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, an HSP, right, a highly sensitive person. Right.

550
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: So for me, there's a lot there. I have a

551
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: ton of fears, you know, and that's what has me

552
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: eat too much sugar. And somebody else out there has

553
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: a different fear, which might have them collect too much stuff.

554
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: You know, this is what goes on. There's anxiety that's

555
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: attached to it. I, for example, can speak to a thousand,

556
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: two thousand people, not a problem. I am out there

557
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: with a scripted thing. I can go off book just

558
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: like you ken when you're doing your acting. And yet

559
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: when I have to host a party, I'm like, you know,

560
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: talking one on one, making sure everybody's okay. I have

561
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: anxiety around that. Okay, So everybody has their thing and

562
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: if yours is on the phone. It's understandable. I mean,

563
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: everybody's got their thing.

564
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: But what you're saying and what ruth An saying, like

565
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: it's all a higher thing. Like it's not just the phone.

566
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: It's emailing someone and asking for help or going to

567
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: this website and actually following through because at the end

568
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: of it, I'm asking someone to step in and assist me.

569
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: And that feels super uncomfortable.

570
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does. And therefore, Hama, may I say

571
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: one reason I would suggest the executive assistant. If it's

572
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: you know, if it's in your budget to do that

573
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: for whatever number of days you can, you can say

574
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: can you call or can you be with me while

575
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm on speakerphone and call? You know, I guess.

576
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: So I've had this in the past and it works

577
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: really well. Like I can't call the doctor's office and

578
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: make an appointment, but if I have an assistant, I

579
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: they yes, and they'll do it, and I'm great, Like

580
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: I can do all the creative It's literally that type

581
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: of stuff that takes me down, things that are as simple.

582
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: And I also have a bad habit though, and this

583
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: is all lines up, is when people do work for me,

584
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: I feel so guilty that we become best friends. I

585
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: want to do stuff for them, like it's it's hard

586
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: for me to separate because of the way I grew up.

587
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we might be twins here, we might be twins.

588
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: You know.

589
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: I just went on a trip to Dubai and Thailand,

590
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: and I just got back last week, and my mom's

591
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: super sick. And even though I had someone caring for

592
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: my mom, a family member caring for my mom, Tory,

593
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: was I feeling guilty or wasn't I you know the answer, Yeah,

594
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: you felt guilty because it's the way I brought I

595
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: was brought up. Okay, So you know, for me, I

596
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: do twelve step programs to manage that emotional stuff. And

597
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I'm not ashamed to say it

598
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: because it is changing my life. Getting rid of the

599
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: guilt is one of the key pieces for my life

600
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: to work better. Just throwing it out there.

601
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: I will just say, guilt for me, I feel is

602
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: the biggest albatross around my neck. So I applaud you

603
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: that you kind of found a way to unload yourself

604
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: of guilt. Thank you, Toy. You know, I feel like

605
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: you suffer from this too. This is you know, guilt syndrome.

606
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: Wait, what is it? What is the proper name for that?

607
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean it is it's just guilt. It's just guilt,

608
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: just guilt. But it's this idea that I mean, I

609
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: don't feel like I can have fun unless everybody else

610
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: is in order and they're.

611
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 3: Okay, same, and then it's gone to the extent where

612
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: I still can't have fun, right, Yes.

613
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: And that requires that's like going to the gym. I

614
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: have to practice this all the time. And what if

615
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: what if those feelings might be a reason that we

616
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: look the other way when there's a bag on the

617
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: table and this is for everybody, and it might not

618
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: be guilt for some of your listeners, it might be

619
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: oh being you know, holding too many resentments. You know,

620
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: if you've got too many resentments, that might be a cause.

621
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: Like again, it's never about the stuff, it's what's going

622
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: on underneath. And if we're finding out there's a little

623
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: bit of guilt for you there and I know there's

624
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: a ton of it for.

625
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: Me, then toun of it for me. Yeah, And guilt

626
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: is oh guilt guilt is not my guilty play like

627
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: I yeah, it's like crazy, but I it's interesting because yeah,

628
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: my dad always had a lot of guilt, so that

629
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: that definitely like was something we grew up like, oh,

630
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, it's in our nature, like we're just we

631
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: feel guilty, and it's like okay, And I could see

632
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: some of my kids have it and some don't. Like

633
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: my oldest feels guilty about everything. So he and I

634
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: like we work on that together. He's said I'm sorry,

635
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm like no, no, no, and then he's like, okay,

636
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: but you don't say sorry. I'm like, you're right. So

637
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: we like, you know, imaginary sorries for nothing, that you've

638
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: done nothing wrong. But it's like, it's so interesting that

639
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: that can be like in our DNA and we're not

640
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: even aware of it. Like I raised all my children

641
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: the same, but certain ones have it, certain ones don't.

642
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: Right right, And look, I was trained in it. Not

643
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: to belittle my mother, but I was trained in guilt,

644
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: really good training. I know what it's like to feel

645
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: guilty and to make others feel guilty. I had to

646
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: let go of that too. So I heard in one

647
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: of the meetings that I went to that it's and

648
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: I don't mean to say this about you, this is

649
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: about me, but I heard them say to me, and

650
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: I was appalled that guilt is very selfish, Like what,

651
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: how could that be possibly be wild? How could that

652
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 2: possibly be?

653
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: No, that makes perfect sense. I've never heard it put

654
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: that way. You're right, guilt is incredibly selfish. Do you think, yeah, well,

655
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: well we're not doing it on purpose. I mean, I

656
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: think I don't know. Words are so loosely thrown around

657
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: in this in this generation, I fear ever saying, you

658
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: know the word narss, you know, if someone's a narcissist,

659
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: And it's like, we all use the word narcissists, we

660
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: all use the word gaslighting. Like it's just so, I've

661
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: come in the last two years to kind of redefine

662
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: words for how it works for me, not what works

663
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: for everyone, because not nothing works for everybody. We're not

664
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: a box, we're not a unit or individuals, we're humans.

665
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: So defining something by a dictionary description doesn't work for everybody.

666
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: So my point is, yeah, I the guilt spills over

667
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: to everyone around you. So that's when I agree it

668
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: does become selfish.

669
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: Oh it does. Imagine me if you will not that

670
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make your podcast about me. But here

671
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: I am I'm in another country with my husband and

672
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, his family, and we're having a great Wait

673
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 2: a second, they are having a great time because I'm

674
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: worried and I'm guilty and I shouldn't have booked the

675
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: trip for so long. Tori, I knew I shouldn't have.

676
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: I just do you know it takes something to get

677
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: out of that. It takes a phone call to somebody

678
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: in one of my meetings to get over this guilt.

679
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: And then I can pull it together and enjoy my

680
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: swim in the ocean, warm, warm water. But again, I

681
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: could either eat sugar or I could manage the guilt.

682
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: I've never been a sugar person.

683
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: Well, you might do something else. You know, I'm gonna

684
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick on you for one.

685
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: Sex please everyone else does. No, I'm just kidding.

686
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: When I listen to the podcast, and I don't know

687
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: if you use the word but I I don't have.

688
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: Is it Ramona? Is that your lady?

689
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 3: No, you're Aramona Mona Mona.

690
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: I took your podcast and I asked chat GPT to

691
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: tell me what word came up the most in that

692
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: podcast about clutter. Do you want a guess or do

693
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: you want me to tell.

694
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: You tell me swirl?

695
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: What if, Tori, what if swirl were your thing? Like

696
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: I eat sugar when I feel guilty, when you feel guilty?

697
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: What if?

698
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm picking up what you're putting across here. So

699
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: let's put aside swirl and say chaos, because that's how

700
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: I used to refer to what you are referring to

701
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: a swirl. It gives me energy and.

702
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: Energy you know, is that carries us. It carries us

703
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: through projects, it carries us through days that we can't

704
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: do the day, whatever it might be.

705
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 3: It's interesting when you refer to this. When I think

706
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: about it, Here's the thing. I'm not a person that

707
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: people think instinctually like, oh, you get defensive and I'm like, no,

708
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you everything, like I'm telling you, and

709
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: it's human to kind of be like, but I am

710
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: this or I have this. It's not that I'm defending

711
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: the situation, but I will tell you about things. So

712
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: this I likened too when I was younger, and you'd

713
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, kind of like bummed down, quiet, and

714
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 3: then someone would come in and be like, oh, did

715
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: you hear so and so was dating so and so.

716
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: In school, you would hear that, and you'd be like

717
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: what what And it was like this chatter woke you

718
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: up even though you were so tired in your first class.

719
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yes, yes, they would. That's a

720
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 3: note so and so because so and so behind the lockers.

721
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just age myself again. Can you'd

722
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: be like zoning out in history class and be like what,

723
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm awake now? It was yeah, swirrel, chaos, the drama,

724
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: the energy. Yes.

725
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: So when one has a big life, yes, I say

726
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: you might. When you have a big family, I say

727
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: you might. When you have a lot of ideas, I

728
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: say you might. Right, you're going to be in the

729
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: spirit of a lot of energy giving and a lot

730
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: of energy sucking. And you know, so there you are

731
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: and who in the world. And this is just something

732
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: I say to anyone out there, who in the world,

733
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: after you do your day, wants to do any organizing

734
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: about anything, especially if it's not in your DNA.

735
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: No, yes, I'm terrible with time management. But even if

736
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: I were to have the odd hour off where it's

737
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: not work related or kid related, I'm speaking freely. I

738
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 3: will literally And Ruth Anne knows this beyond with Mona

739
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: and I've created. Last week, there was one hour so

740
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: I could have yess, technically, I could have organized and

741
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: in that one hour I came away from that hour

742
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: with a leg warmer collection I fully designed it, and

743
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: a jewelry collection.

744
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: You see, beautiful creative projects are practical, doesn't mat.

745
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ideas are practical. I mean, I have to

746
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: say that I think I'm having a revelation about you, Tori,

747
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: is that you're void and behavior is being wildly creative

748
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and genius. Mine is going to take a nap, Like

749
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: when I want to avoid doing something, I'm like, I

750
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: am a narc electic all of a sudden. Tori, on

751
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: the other hand, designs a jewelry collection and getting rid

752
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: of the clutter.

753
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: And I often think about this. I mean, Ruthanne is

754
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: my co host, my producer, but she's also one of

755
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 3: my best friends. We've known each other how long twenty

756
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: five thirty years? Yep, yep, so we know everything about

757
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: each other.

758
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: Right.

759
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: I'm always amazed because I cannot sleep, like sleep. It's

760
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: very hard for me because my brain won't shut off.

761
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: So I'm always amazed that when she's stressed, she does

762
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: When she's stressed, she will sleep, and I'm like, God,

763
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: how can she sleep? I always thought that was a

764
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: male quality, not a female. I always like in that,

765
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: like growing up that men. You know, you see pictures

766
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 3: of everyone being like, oh they have a baby, right,

767
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: and they're like always the photos of the father the baby,

768
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: and the baby's napping, the father's asleep. Meanwhile, women like,

769
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, we would never be able to fall asleep

770
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 3: while we're with our baby. Like it's just like male

771
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: versus female on some level. So I am I always

772
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: think about that, and Jess as well, Rutha. Jess can

773
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 3: fall asleep anywhere. So like two of my best friends,

774
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, how do they do that? But you're right,

775
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: my version of that with stress is creating. We shouldn't

776
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: be like a trillionaire by now.

777
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 2: If that's the case, well it's there's still a lot

778
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: of times chick, yeah, but you're welcome. But here it is, here,

779
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: it is. What's missing is the infrastructure, the infrastructure to

780
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: capture the leg warmers, the jewelry, the yesterday's idea, what's

781
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: coming up, and having someone to support you, like where

782
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: do you put that idea?

783
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: How do you?

784
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: And then how do you prioritize it. Really maybe jewelry

785
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: is it? Does it move way up this? You know

786
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: above other projects? See this is what is not I'm

787
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: guessing in place for you is that project management system

788
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: of toy and Toy.

789
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: I need a project manager. Yeah, like for what project

790
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: Project tory? Yeah, project Tory can make a difference in

791
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: this world for everybody. I'm telling you, I have the

792
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: heart there, I just need the infil structure, Dorothy, I

793
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: I am not kidding, I was. I had anxiety getting

794
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: on this podcast with you today. Okay, I had anxiety,

795
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: and I right now I think I'm in love with you.

796
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: There's so many epiphanies happening during this session with you.

797
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: I am so grateful, Oh God, just because we're talking

798
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: it through and things are coming to light that I

799
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 3: never thought we're associated. If that makes sense, It does

800
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 3: make sense.

801
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: But I will tell you you see you CLA did

802
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: a study on the number of items in the average home.

803
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: It's something like three hundred or four hundred thousand items

804
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: in the average home. Who everybody is facing this? Yeah,

805
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: I see, I hear your shock, Ruthan, But really it's

806
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: it's it's just rampant for all of us. I wrote

807
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: a book toy called stuff your face or face your stuff, right,

808
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: And that's because I either faced my stuff or I

809
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: ate so those one or the other. So it could

810
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: be that, or it could be you know, one about

811
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: you know, guilt avoidance. You know, Ruthanne mentioned the word

812
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 2: avoidance earlier. So maybe it's not really it's a collection

813
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: of stuff. It's the piles that we have. You know,

814
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: I have reporters and you know, sports figures and all

815
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: sorts of folks who have stuff.

816
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: You know, what's coming to mind as we keep talking

817
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: about these things, and I sometimes things just come to

818
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: my mind. So I say it dream catchers. Yeah, what

819
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: would be the version? It's almost like a clutter catcher

820
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: or a we're trying to just think of terms here.

821
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: Whatever gets someone to refocus on somebody that makes them happier, Like,

822
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 3: how do we merge those? Yeah, well, I love a

823
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: new business here.

824
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 2: Well I love the term DreamCatcher inside of it all,

825
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, clutter catcher could work too, But

826
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: there's still the infrastructure.

827
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: We should we trademark that. I can't stop.

828
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: I can't see the brain is and Tori, this is

829
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: it for you, honey, yeah, if I could do anything,

830
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: I would be your full time assistant, twenty four hours

831
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: a day, just writing down your ideas. It's hard to

832
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: have so many ideas and be so creative, it really is.

833
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: And I do you know how many book ideas I

834
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: have in my my in basket over here, just tons,

835
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: so many.

836
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm not making this about me, but I'm gonna

837
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: make this about me. Whenever people give me compliments, I

838
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: can't take them. Correct ruthan, she fell asleep. Sorry, I'm

839
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: just kidding, but I'm bunch that was a call back.

840
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: Sorry she got stressed.

841
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh god, no, uh yeah.

842
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 3: You are correct. You are correct. When you just said

843
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: that someone would follow me around and write down all

844
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: of my creative ideas for once, I didn't say like,

845
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 3: oh no, I'm not worthy.

846
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that would be You say that all

847
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: the time, which is funny because you are always like

848
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: all I need is.

849
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: Following you around writing down your ideas.

850
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: That's all I say. I will drive poor ruth and

851
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: mad because we will be talking about something and I'm like,

852
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: oh my god, wait, you know what would be funny?

853
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: We could do this idea? And she's like, thank God

854
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: bless her brain, semi worklife. So she's like, can follow,

855
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 3: but it's a lot.

856
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so there's this.

857
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: Paper and paper, Yeah.

858
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Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be brief on this. There's a thing

859
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: called body double A and I when I say that,

860
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: I follow people around, like I have CEOs that I've

861
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: worked with, right, who are my clients, And they can't

862
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: understand why they can't even take a lunch. There's no

863
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: time to go to the restroom. You know what's going on?

864
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: The gas is running out of their car. I mean,

865
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: these are very successful people and the electricity bill has

866
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: just turned off. Why is this happening? Because when I

867
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: follow them around, they and I'll use the term because

868
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: it's so common, they are swirling. It's just one idea

869
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: after the next, after the next. They can barely keep

870
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: up with themselves. Their brain is so active, and so

871
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: we need one person to keep track of it, help

872
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: us prioritize it, and a strong person who can say,

873
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: you've got to put one in priority position here because

874
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: all the rest has to wait. I have people doing

875
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: that for me because I've got a lot going on

876
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: in my brain.

877
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Speaker 3: My dear, Okay, wait, what did I say? We needed

878
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Speaker 3: red in stenographer. Now we did say.

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Speaker 1: That, but then we cracked out because that wasn't really

880
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Speaker 1: what we meant.

881
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Speaker 3: But now, well, yeah, I just need someone to follow me.

882
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 3: Everybody to follow you around? Like case no good in theory, Like,

883
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: let's test it out. Let's have someone follow me around

884
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: all day, just for twenty four hours and write down

885
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 3: everything and see what happens. Yeah, that's what a lot

886
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: of Then you actually have to make changes. That's a

887
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: good stup. It's perspect.

888
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Speaker 2: You. Let me know if you want anything. If you

889
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: want me to come and follow you, I'll follow you

890
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Speaker 2: for a day.

891
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: No, I'll follow you. Wait stop, no, seriously, you're making

892
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: me feel guilty.

893
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Speaker 1: Oh Tory, stop let her let her come and help you.

894
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: Please wait, let her help you help me.

895
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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would love to get together with you, Dorothy,

897
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 3: but I know you're super busy, but I would be. Yes.

898
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you. We'll stay in touch, no problem.

899
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Speaker 2: But I'm here for you if you need a little

900
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Speaker 2: bit of anything. No, seriously, thank you. I'm grateful honestly

901
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: for you or your listeners. You let me know.

902
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh my god, I feel so good that

903
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Speaker 3: we did this podcast today.

904
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Speaker 2: Thank you too, You're a gem.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

906
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: Warning warning, warning, warning compliment.

907
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: Look at me. I took it. Now I'm gonna get

908
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: on the phone mic drop.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dorothy, You're welcome. What a pleasure. By Hon