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Speaker 1: Hey, it's West Kosova. We're taking a break to spend

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day here in the US with friends and family,

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Speaker 1: so we wanted to share a team favorite episode you

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Speaker 1: might have missed about the other members of our family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. We'll be back tomorrow. Hey Vicky,

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Speaker 1: you have two sons and two dogs, so here's a

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Speaker 1: question which of them is more expensive?

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Speaker 2: The dog's food is crazy expensive, but the boys are growing,

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Speaker 2: so I feed them sometimes too.

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Speaker 1: From Bloomberg News and iHeartRadio, it's the Big Take. I'm

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Speaker 1: West Kosova today. How much are you spending on your pet?

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Speaker 1: When the conversation turns to pets, and at some point

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Speaker 1: it just always does. After the phones come out and

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Speaker 1: the photos are passed around my.

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Speaker 3: Animals and send them to you all.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, how cute.

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Speaker 1: It's only a matter of time before it's all about

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Speaker 1: how much the care and upkeep of dogs and cats costs.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened when the Big Take crew was

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Speaker 1: putting together this episode.

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Speaker 5: My cat's son, Sylvie costs a lot when it comes

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Speaker 5: to diet. He's on a prescription diet because he is

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Speaker 5: allergic to everything, and that food went up fourteen dollars

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Speaker 5: over the last ten months or so, so it used

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Speaker 5: to be seventy seven. Now it's ninety one dollars.

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Speaker 1: Ninety one dollars Catherine for food.

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Speaker 5: Yep, and that might sound bad already, but something to

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Speaker 5: know about Sylvie is that he of course hates his

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Speaker 5: prescription food. So I spend about dollars a month extra

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Speaker 5: buying things to sort of doctor up the bowl, like treats,

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Speaker 5: beef toppings. We're trying a new beef broth this week.

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Speaker 6: Funnily enough, Catherine, my cat too has a broth obsession.

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Speaker 6: So Wednesday is my cat. She's a Persian cat. She

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Speaker 6: has the classic grumpy flat face. Basically, I have to

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Speaker 6: give her this thing called lysine. It's like an immune support.

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Speaker 6: So what I do is I take a little scoop

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Speaker 6: of lyceing and I mix it into the broth. And

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Speaker 6: the broths are not cheap. It's a liquid and it

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Speaker 6: has solids. She doesn't eat the solids, and I know

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Speaker 6: that's what keeps the cost up.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I lucked out.

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Speaker 7: I have a three legged rescue dog named Igy. She's

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Speaker 7: a little angel. She's not picky at all food wise.

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Speaker 7: She'll eat whatever you put in front of her. But

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Speaker 7: that has also gotten us into trouble because somehow, three

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Speaker 7: legged or not, she managed to get up on the

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Speaker 7: counter while we were gone one day and I had

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Speaker 7: just bought a bag of currents to try on my oatmeal.

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Speaker 7: I was excited. I was like, dried food on the oatmeal. Loo,

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Speaker 7: let me go. And we come back home from dinner,

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Speaker 7: my partner and I and lo and behold there are

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Speaker 7: currents spread across the couch. She ate the whole bag.

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Speaker 7: It's roughly a cup. First we're like, oh haha, how quirky.

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Speaker 1: Then we call.

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Speaker 7: There's apparently a pet poison hotline, so right there, seventy

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Speaker 7: phone and the person goes, okay, there are two options here.

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Speaker 7: One totally harmless, totally fine, option two. Three of them

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Speaker 7: will poison her. So then we had to go to

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Speaker 7: the emergency vet, which up front, I think I had

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Speaker 7: to put something like twenty five hundred dollars on my

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Speaker 7: only being thirteen hundred, so a bargain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say I've also had my poor pop

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Speaker 2: astro who ate something. We still don't know what it was,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, trip to the emergency vet and you know,

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Speaker 2: stomach X rays and everything out the gate. It was

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Speaker 2: agency that I get pet insurance for him. So it

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Speaker 3: Ate something we weren't sure what it was.

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Speaker 2: After that, the monthly premium went way up and it's

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Speaker 3: So it's great if you don't need it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the strangest pet expense you've come across.

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Speaker 6: My best friend has an exotic short hair cat named

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Speaker 6: Pistachio Muffin, and he, much like my beloved persian Wednesday,

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Speaker 6: was just a bad time for a little Pistachio. So

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Speaker 1: So, given how much all of your dogs and cats

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Speaker 1: are draining your bank accounts, do you have any regrets?

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Speaker 1: Would you give them up? Would you not get them

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Speaker 1: if you knew what you were in for? Never?

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Speaker 3: They bring me so much joy it's worth every cent.

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Speaker 6: I used to think that the amount of money people

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Speaker 6: and now I will gladly go into massive debt to

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Speaker 7: Before adopting I Gi, my partner and I sat down

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Speaker 7: what our backup plan was should the worst happen. And

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Speaker 7: then the current happened and we were like, oh, now

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Speaker 7: we get it, but no, wouldn't give her a would

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Speaker 7: keep her in a heartbeat. I will just never buy

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Speaker 5: I die for Sylvie.

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Speaker 1: Hands down reporters Knaka Katan and Brendan Case wondered, if

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Speaker 1: each of us is spending so much on our pet

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Speaker 1: how much are we all spending? They set out to

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Speaker 1: put a number on what they call the global pet economy.

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Speaker 8: So the worldwide pet economy right now is well north

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Speaker 8: of three hundred billion dollars, and the next seven years

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Speaker 8: Intelligence is predicting that number is going to get up

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Speaker 8: to about half a trillion dollars, very close to five

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Speaker 8: accounting for not quite half, but almost half of the total.

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Speaker 8: But you've also got growth in Europe, and you've got

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Speaker 8: And for each pet, you've got rising average spending because

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid. Of course people

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Speaker 9: It's been growing rapidly for a long time. It was

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Speaker 9: recession proof during two thousand and seven, eight and nine.

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Speaker 9: It was continuing to grow through that. But then I

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Speaker 9: this is huge. We have this great anecdote from Zoetis,

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Speaker 9: which is the largest pet healthcare company, saying that their

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Speaker 9: animal livestock portion of their pet business used to be

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Speaker 9: past ten years that has completely flipped to the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: And why is that? Why are people now just spending

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Speaker 9: You just see pets becoming part of the household. They're

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Speaker 9: lifestyle of the youngest generations gen Z and millennials that

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Speaker 9: are also kind of contributing to more spending. And they

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Speaker 9: just you know, before maybe starting families.

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Speaker 4: That's a really big part of the story.

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Speaker 8: You know, you get gen z, you get millennials, and

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Speaker 8: statistically they're starting families a little later. And if you

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Speaker 8: there saying much more than other generations that you know, yes,

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Speaker 8: pets are very much part of the family. They buy

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Speaker 8: into the whole sort of trend towards humanization, and they

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Speaker 1: Brandon, you mentioned earlier that in the US especially, there

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Speaker 1: was this uptick in people getting pets during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: How big an increase was it.

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Speaker 8: The increase in pet ownership was one of the big

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Speaker 8: stories in the early stages of the pandemic, And what

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Speaker 8: that Morgan Stanley estimates that there are about five million

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Speaker 8: last year compared with twenty nineteen. That's an increase of

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Speaker 8: about four percent. So you've got a rising population of

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Speaker 4: Period, but it's close.

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Speaker 8: And so if you drill down into dollar terms, what

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Speaker 9: So those numbers, maybe, on average they're right, But everyone

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Speaker 9: spends more than that. So, for example, we spoke with

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Speaker 9: one woman, Susan Genteel. She's a public school teacher who

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Speaker 9: spent about eight thousand dollars or more on her dog, Elvis,

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Speaker 9: because sadly, he had a heart condition. She was spending

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Speaker 9: on echo cardiograms, she was spending on hyperbaric chain you know,

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Speaker 9: she's spending a lot of money to keep her dog healthy.

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Speaker 9: This is another part of what's really taking pet ownership

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Speaker 9: into the next level, you know, the next big boom,

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Speaker 9: which is the cost of health care, the cost of

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Speaker 9: innovation that you're seeing in the human health sector are

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Speaker 9: transferring into the animal health sector.

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Speaker 1: before the break, you were talking about how more and

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Speaker 1: more expensive medical procedures for pets are becoming the norm. Now,

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Speaker 1: what are some of these procedures that people are having

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Speaker 1: done on their animals that they just didn't do in

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Speaker 9: I mentioned echo cardiograms. There are also a ton of

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Speaker 9: innovative medicines that have just been approved for these sort

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Speaker 9: of big farms companies. They sort of have their roots

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Speaker 9: and became just focused on pets. So you could be

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Speaker 9: treated for osteoarthritis using monoclonal antibodies, which was used for example,

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Speaker 9: to fight COVID. And then there are top line diabetes

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Speaker 9: drugs that you can find now used for pets. And

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Speaker 9: she used the same medication for her dog, Elvis, that

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Speaker 9: to Elvis and her dad would take a full pill.

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Speaker 4: It's not just medicine.

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Speaker 8: It's also a lot more scans like the electrocardiogram I

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Speaker 8: So the thing about pet insurance is that you do

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Speaker 1: Are we already starting to see elective procedures for pets?

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Speaker 8: Certainly, there's a lot of gray area, first of all.

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Speaker 9: This is not elective surgery, but it's in the realm

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, Ben. We've been talking about how

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Speaker 9: And I think actually that's a really clear sign that

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Speaker 9: I'm interested in how human health is trickling down into

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