1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: America will never again give up on the Moon. Those 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: are the words of NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman in a 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: press conference this morning discussing new plans for the space Agency. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: The core of it is twenty billion dollars of investment 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: over seven years, the focus to build a moon base. 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: But there is so much more to it than that. 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: And delighted to say that NASA Administrator Jarediseeman joins us 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: right now here at the Hill and Valley Forum, but 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: on Bloombogue Tech. You will not be surprise Administrator that 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: My first question is about money. Twenty billion dollars. Where 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: does it come from? And I guess you know your 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 2: plans have evolved pretty rapidly since you took post. What 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: does this figure signify in in how you're doing it differently? 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Sure? I mean it's interesting. A lot of people think 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: MAASAID doesn't have the resources to execute on the mission, 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, our appropriations this year is twenty five 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: billion dollars. Twenty five billion dollars an awful lot of money. 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Not to mention, we received a ten billion dollar plus 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: up in the one Big Beautiful Bill which is probably 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: one of the most significant investments in human space exploration 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: that we've seen in an extremely long time. Bottom line is, 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: we have the resources, are we concentrating in the right direction. 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: Are we doing a lot of little things and getting 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: nowhere right? So we talked today, Hey, we're going to 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: hit pause on the on the Gateway, which was a 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: space station designed to orbit above the moon. We don't 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: want to orbit above the moon. We want to be 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: on the moon. We want to build a base. We 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: want to interact with the regular if we want to 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: do insitu resource manufacturing. We want to test out mobility 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: on the surface to power communications. We want to build 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: President Trump's moon base that he called for in the 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: National Space Policy. We have the resources to do this. 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: We have a lot of resources at NASA. We just 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: need to move them in the needle moving direction. 37 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: It's twenty billion over seven years, but all told, over 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: the decade thirty billion. Is this something that you've been 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: able to meet with Kong rest about and appropriate the 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: funds through that mechanism or it's just in the budget, 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: it's planned based on the annual appropriation that you outline. 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: This is within the resource availament of course, we try 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: and subscribe to a no surprise policy, so we never 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, formulate these type of initiatives in a vacuum. 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: We met with our international partners that are supporting us 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: in our great return to the Moon. We met with 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: leaders from the author from authorizers in Congress, the appropriators, 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: the White House. Everybody gets fully aligned around how we're 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: going to achieve this. We talk about these kinds of 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: dollars and you look at it across our budget, this 51 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: is just small percentages of it. You know, we definitely 52 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: have the means within the resource available to achieve this. 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: You think about it. We have a Science Technology Mission 54 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: Director right, does lots of experimentation for future applications from 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the Moon to Mars. Great, we're going to the Moon. 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: We concentrate STMD in that direction. We have a Science 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Mission Director right, they have a CLIPS program. We do 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: lots of scientific missions on the Moon. Great, we're going 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: to move. We concentrate that on building the Moon base 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: and attaching scientific payloads. It's really across the board ESDMD, 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: which is tasked with the return to the Moon and 62 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: thinking through Mars. We've got a lot of resources there 63 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: from Gateway, especially since that. 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: Was plus type in the budget resource. 65 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: And we are repurposing that to the surface where we 66 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: all want to be. So NASA does not have a 67 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: top line problem. I can't emphasize that enough. 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, Administrator. You have gone fast your entire life. 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: You are building businesses in your parents' basement of the 70 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: age of sixteen. You dot shift for you. You move 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: at the speed of founder. Do your partners to artimist 72 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: partners move at the speed that you need them to. 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking to industry and we've been emphasizing 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: now is the time to act. We have to execute 75 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: with urgency. I've said it many times. President Trump and 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: his National Space Policy says we need to return to 77 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: the Moon. You know, before the end of twenty twenty eight. 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Our great rival has said they will return before the 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: before twenty thirty. That means success and failure is measured 80 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: in months night years. We don't have time to do 81 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: things the way we used to do. We have to 82 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: get a gear. That's why I said during my keynote 83 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: this morning, we are not going to sit on our 84 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: hands at NASA and hope industry delivers. We are going 85 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: to do what we did in the nineteen sixties. We're 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: deploying our subject matter experts to every vendor, every subcontractor 87 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: every component on the critical path, not to be passive, 88 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: but active to drive outcomes. We're going to do this 89 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: with our commercial and international partners, your. 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: Great competitor being China. What do you need from a 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: supply chain perspective that you can't get your hands on 92 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: in the here and now? What keeps you up at 93 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: night in terms of meeting a mission? 94 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Well, I look, I think it's there's a lot of 95 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: components on the supply chain that that we care an 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: awful lot about as you would expect. I mean, you know, 97 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: going to the Moon takes the contributions for many. When 98 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: we talk about building a moon base, we need hyper 99 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: golf thrusters. We were sending clips landers to the Moon 100 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: two or three times a year. I said this morning, 101 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: we're going to go from bespoke and infrequent to templated 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: and routine, which means we're gonna need a lot of 103 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: hypergl thrusters. Right, So we are deploying this. This is 104 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: why we're deploying our subject matter experts into the field 105 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: with our partners to drive outcomes. Because if we wind 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: up in a situation where we're going over budget or 107 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: behind schedule, we are going to act. We're either gonna 108 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: act with our partners. We're gonna apply some of the 109 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: best and brightest minds from across the nation to build 110 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: the solution ourselves to get to the outcome. 111 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: You said this morning, and you've just reiterated that you've 112 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: asked industry to find ways to get back to the 113 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: Moon more rapidly. But I guess to try and make 114 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: that a little more crystallized. What are the benchmarks that 115 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: you'll hold them to, you know, what is it the 116 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: milestones that you need industry to hit, and then we 117 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: can get I guess onto the Ultimus program from the well. 118 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: I get. Let's break in two categories. So just returning 119 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: humans to the Moon, we said we got to get 120 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: at a pace of launching a moon rocket with greater 121 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: frequency than every three years. So we need you to 122 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: pull forward production, pull everything to the left, set up 123 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: for another mission. So Artemis two is going to launch 124 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: in a week and go around them moon. Artemis three 125 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: is going to be very alla, Apollo nine launch in 126 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: Earth orbit, rendezvous with one or two Landers, and then 127 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: we'll set up for Artemis four and five, which will 128 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: be a landing on the Moon in twenty twenty eight. 129 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: So we've spoken to industry and told them you have 130 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: to start pulling things to the left. We will again 131 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: deploy resources to help you in that process. We will 132 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: also rebuild core competencies so we can turn our launch 133 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: pad to meet launch cadence. But then there's also building 134 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: the moon base, which is lots of landings in Phase one, 135 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: which is our test and experimentation. 136 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: This is where reportings comes in. 137 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: Yes, so this is where we've sent a demand signal 138 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: to industry today. Again not infrequent bespoke landers and rovers, 139 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: lots of them. Iterative approach land lots lots of landers, 140 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: lots of rovers, do experimentation, comms, navigation, mobility power. We'll 141 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: learn in phase one and form semi habitability in phase two. 142 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: Ultimately get to phase three where we're looking to have 143 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: that enduring presence on the Moon. This is the demand 144 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: signal we're sending the industry. 145 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: Industries responding Straits of Bloomberg reported this month that there 146 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: are two proposals on your desk, so to speak, one 147 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: from Blue Origin and one from SpaceX different mechanisms for 148 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: future missions that relate to the Moon in simple terms. 149 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: In the proposal that Bloomberg reported, which related to SpaceX, 150 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: starship would be involved in some capacity with future missions 151 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: going in lower orbit, combining with Orion, and propelling the 152 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: combined entity to the Moon. What are the status of 153 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: those proposals and what can you say about them? And 154 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: why to those two proposals came up in the first place. 155 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: So we you know, my predecessor asked industry, what are 156 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: your acceleration pathways? Because again we don't have the time here. 157 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Now I will compliment both SpaceX and Blue Origin are 158 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: not trying to build a lander to put boots on 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: the ground to plant the flag and pick up rocks. 160 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: They're building landers that allow us to put lots of 161 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: mass on the Moon so we can build the base, 162 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: have an enduring presence to go far beyond where we 163 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: went with Apollo, and be able to undertake frequent and 164 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: affordable missions to the surface. So, in fairness, they are 165 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: taking on a technically complex approach. We did ask how 166 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: can you accelerate? How can you simplify? Both have come 167 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: back with options that kind of buy down some of 168 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: the technical risks, and in both cases it means different 169 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: orbits NRHO, which NASA originally designed in part to support 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: the gateway nobody likes. 171 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: And emitiate Layman's terms. And HRO is the path around 172 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: the Moon. Could you just explain that that right? 173 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: It is a relatively stable orbit around the Moon. If 174 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: you were going to put a Moon space station, that's 175 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: where you would put it, which was our kind of 176 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: agenda up until now, where we're concentrating on an actual 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: base on the Moon, it had less aboard options to 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: come home. It came, as we would say, a DV penalty, 179 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: or it had it came with a performance penalty, okay, 180 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: for both SpaceX and Blue Origin to actually get to. 181 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: So it didn't really help anyone in that one of 182 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: our HLS, one of our landing providers came back and said, 183 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: I'd rather meet you in a different lunar orbit, and 184 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: the other one said I'd rather meet you into a 185 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: high Earth orbit. In either scenario, it doesn't change the 186 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: fact that Oriyan is going to get to those landers 187 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: via the Space Launch System. 188 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: It's just the NHRO is not included in either plan. 189 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Correct. 190 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 2: Can we speak a little bit about Mars before we 191 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: run out of time? 192 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: We have a really exciting mission to Mars. 193 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 2: Explain it and there is there is a date, so 194 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: there is a timeline for it, which I was a 195 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: little surprised at. 196 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we will never give up an opportunity to 197 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: go to Mars during the planetary alignment window. The next 198 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: one comes in twenty twenty eight. We've got a Mars 199 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: Telecommunication Network orbiter that's going to Mars in twenty eight 200 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: which will carry a science payload. We have a joint 201 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: mission with ISA, the Rosalind Franklin Rover, which is going 202 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: to go search an anal you know, search for our 203 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: or potentially organic matter like it's a part of our 204 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: larger quest for looking for life out in the universe. 205 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: And then the big announcement today is we are launching 206 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: the first nuclear interplanetary spacecraft, nuclear electric powered spaceship and 207 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: it's going to drop the Skyfall payload, which is Ingenuity 208 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: class helicopters on Mars. He did it well, shared Aiascman, 209 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: NASA Administrator, with a lot of news