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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: sixty five, and today in the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Codydquisto of Lone Wolf Custom Gear to dissect his uniquely

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Speaker 1: aggressive and purposeful approach to making his own luck in

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods. Hello, and welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx and today,

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Speaker 1: as I just mentioned him, joined by Cody de Quisto.

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Speaker 1: Now Cody, he's the son of Andre Dequisto, who you

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Speaker 1: might know if he's the founder of Lone Wolf tree

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Speaker 1: Stands and a very well known, accomplished deer hunter. UM,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a legend within many circles of

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Speaker 1: the d I Y deer hunting community. But Cody stands

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Speaker 1: on his own as a tremendously successful hunter too. He's

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Speaker 1: taken scores of big mature bucks. Many many doesn't this

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Speaker 1: very aggressive mobile way, and it's it's a style that's

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Speaker 1: becoming increasingly of interest to folks hunting public land or

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Speaker 1: private by permission spots where hunting pressure can make things tough.

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Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about ways I've done You've heard

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Speaker 1: my buddy Dan talk about ways that he does it,

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Speaker 1: and a number of other guests we've had over the years.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like Cody takes things maybe next level

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Speaker 1: in certain in certain ways, very interesting style, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to pick Cody's brain for a while about this,

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Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. Um So that's been on my radar,

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Speaker 1: But earlier this month, earlier in January, Cody pop back

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Speaker 1: up for me because Lone Wolf Custom Gear became the

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Speaker 1: talk of the two thousand nineteen a t a show

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Speaker 1: with a reviving of this brand and a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of new products that Cody and his dad have been

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Speaker 1: working on. So this is kind of all the buzz

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, and it made me

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Speaker 1: realize I really got to get Cody back on here.

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Speaker 1: Now is a great time to chat with him. And

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Speaker 1: finally that's what we've been able to do. We got

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Speaker 1: it scheduled, we made it happen, and what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do here today is talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: new company, you're kind of this new revitalization of the

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Speaker 1: company and some of the new products coming up. And

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Speaker 1: then we spend the majority of the episode then diving

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Speaker 1: into a bunch of very specific examples of how Cody

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Speaker 1: hunts and successfully tags so many different mature bucks. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I really enjoyed his perspective and his strategies,

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Speaker 1: and a few of the points he makes along away

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Speaker 1: are just man, they're they're things to live by, some

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Speaker 1: really great things to keep in mind as we head

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Speaker 1: into this next season. So I'm excited for you to

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Speaker 1: hear this, but I do want to give you two

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Speaker 1: quick heads ups before we move on. Number One, there

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Speaker 1: is a little bit more adult language in this one

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Speaker 1: and some others, so just fair warning on that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if that's not your cup of tea, you might just

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Speaker 1: want to skip ahead to the next one, or skip

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Speaker 1: back to another one, or maybe just don't listen to

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Speaker 1: this one with the little ones present. And Secondly, about

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Speaker 1: two thirds of the way you're so through our chat,

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Speaker 1: we started having a little bit of a sound quality disruption.

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Speaker 1: I apologize in advance for that, which it didn't happen,

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Speaker 1: but there are a few sections where things get a

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Speaker 1: little fuzzy on his end. Um. I decided though that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep that content in here because I just

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Speaker 1: think it's it's really interesting, the full interview intact. I

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Speaker 1: feel it should be there for those who want to listen.

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Speaker 1: But I do apologize for a little bit of that

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Speaker 1: sound issue that you will catch again eventually. So with

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Speaker 1: all of that out of the way, I think we

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Speaker 1: should just jump right into it. Let's take a quick

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Speaker 1: hot second to thank our partners at Morton Buildings, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get on with the show. So, as I've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this new partnership with Morton Buildings because

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Speaker 1: I've for a long time looked at Morton Buildings out

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Speaker 1: there on folks properties and been very very jealous Morton.

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Speaker 1: They're the builders of very high quality steel pole barns

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Speaker 1: and steel buildings. Um you know, they can be used

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Speaker 1: is what I'm hoping to someday have, And it's kind

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Speaker 1: Maybe someday it will happen. But from what I understand

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Speaker 1: over a hundred years of experience. They're fully customizable. Like

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Speaker 1: have several different features that make these particularly high quality,

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Speaker 1: like their energy Performer installation. They have high ribs steel,

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Speaker 1: It's very low maintenance. And right now there are some

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Speaker 1: special promotional prices going on that are running through February.

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Speaker 1: on your property, you can head over to Morton Buildings

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Speaker 1: on the line is Cody de Quisto. Cody, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me here. Yeah, thanks Mark, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I looked I've been kind of looking forward to the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Yeah, me too, it was. It's

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Speaker 1: actually been something I've wanted to do for a while. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think I maybe reached out once a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: show a couple of years ago, but now it's finally happening,

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Speaker 1: and um, A man of the timing is good. I

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Speaker 1: think because you and your company, Lone Wolf Custom Gear

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Speaker 1: of people asking questions about what's going on, new products

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Speaker 1: it because because your dad started Lone Wolf a long

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Speaker 1: time ago, many of us have used Lone Wolf tree

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Speaker 1: stands in the subsequent years, um, and they've been you know, amazing,

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Speaker 1: amazing products. And now you guys have got some new

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Speaker 1: there's there's just like some questions around what this company is,

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Speaker 1: just just walk us through that. Yeah, yeah, no problem.

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Speaker 1: So UM. I mean essentially what you're seeing now, you

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Speaker 1: But essentially what it is is it's a family based

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Speaker 1: your stand into a framepack. So, UM, it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: So you have a nice even, you know, even shelf there, UM,

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Speaker 1: like aggressive, consistent, you know, um, uh you know, UM,

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00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: I guess it's the biggest thing I would say that

431
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: I've learned, you know, throughout the years and and stuff

432
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: that I've taken from Dad, stuff that I've learned on

433
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: my own, is that make your own luck. Luck is not.

434
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get lucky, but if you if

435
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: you go out in the woods and you think yourself, Okay,

436
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: I need to make this happen like that, don't let

437
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: anything come to you, you know, bring yourself to that situation.

438
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: That would be like, how that's how I look at

439
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: it every time, you know, Okay, hey, I could sit

440
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: on this field as you wait, but I'm not gonna

441
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: do that. It's not I'm not I'm an impatient person,

442
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, Okay, I need to find this.

443
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: I need to find what's going on. I need to

444
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: get myself in the right spot so I can get

445
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: so I can get the job done. So, UM, I

446
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: would definitely think, uh, you know, more of aggressive kind

447
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: of go go go style and just the opposite of

448
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: the opposite of lazy. Yeah, yeah, I heard you. I

449
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: heard you want to another interview say that you don't

450
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: get out just to get out, like you're never ever

451
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna sit somewhere just well it's a it's a Saturday,

452
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: I can hunt. Someone's gonna sit in this tree and

453
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: hunt and see what happens. It sounds like that is

454
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: never what you're doing. You are always hunting somewhere for

455
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: a very specific reason at a very specific time because

456
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna kill right then and there is that?

457
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Is that an accurate summary? Yeah? Now, I mean I

458
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: that right there, that is the goal, you know, going

459
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: into the season, I tell myself, Okay, you know you

460
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: need to be on it, you know. And I'm not

461
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: going to say that I've never sat somewhere that I

462
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: didn't you know. You know, there's there's definitely times that

463
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: that I have gotten into a tree for no reason

464
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: and just sat there to be out and I was like, well,

465
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna kill and if you're not

466
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: out here, you know, And then I sort of smack

467
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: myself in the face and it's like, you could be

468
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: doing way more than this to to you know, be successful,

469
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: to just you know, get down and go go look

470
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: around or or you know, start some eyes in the

471
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: game plan. So um, it's just like the whole thing

472
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: with what kind of you know, when we talk about mobile.

473
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: It happens to me all the time. I'm not gonna

474
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: say it doesn't. Sometimes I do get I get caught

475
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: up in old stuff, or I get caught up in

476
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: and waiting, and then as soon as I I'm just

477
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: really good at checking myself out of it, you know,

478
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: and noticing when I'm doing those things, and I immediately changed.

479
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: So um, to to your point, Yes, I want to

480
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: be in every time. I understand. I want to know

481
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: that that you know, either the deer I'm after or

482
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: a good deal that I think is you know, in

483
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: that area, could die, you know. And if I'm not

484
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: in that spot, I just you know, because I think

485
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's it's like a lot

486
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: of it's mine too. And if you're not in that spot,

487
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: and it may sound sound wacky, but you're sitting there

488
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: and you're you know, it's just if you're all negative

489
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: in that stand, like, I just don't think anything is

490
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: good that's gonna come from that, you know. I mean,

491
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: you know some people, you know, I mean, it does

492
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: happen sometimes, But I think those guys who are getting

493
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, that luck and just by a chance killing

494
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: a good one are just it's a completely different, you know,

495
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: different story. Yeah. Now, I gotta I gotta imagine that

496
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: in order to be able to put yourself in those

497
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: kinds of positions during hunting season where you're that confident

498
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: about being in the right spot for a specific deer

499
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: for a specific reason, I imagine there's got to be

500
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: a lot of work that leads up to that moment

501
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: that makes it possible. A lot of scouting and stuff. Um,

502
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're right now talking in late January.

503
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: Postseason scouting is obviously a hot thing as we get

504
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: here into February, March, April is snow starts melting, different

505
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: things like that. Can you kind of walk me through

506
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: what kinds of things you're gonna be doing in the

507
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: coming months to start laying that foundation? What like specifically

508
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: are you doing? Um? I definitely, I definitely do a

509
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: lot of shed hunting. You don't. And but to be honest,

510
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: even like shedheim, you know, I'll look around, I take

511
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: no um A lot of times I shed hunt pieces

512
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: that I already hunt, so I already kind of know

513
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: what was going on late season, I know what was

514
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: going on early season. Um, and I honestly hardly ever

515
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: hunt shed hunt like new pieces. Um. I think that

516
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: would that would definitely help me, and I'd definitely be

517
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: looking at, you know, all the sign that happened during

518
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: season on those shed hunts where the horns are. I've

519
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of good things of you know,

520
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: killing deer where you find their sheds. I've never really

521
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: personally correlated anything specific to that, like, I mean, you know,

522
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: I find I know a lot of guys who they

523
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: use that as a big piece of the puzzle. Um,

524
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: when I'm looking for sheds, I'm more so looking at

525
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: trying to get okay this year. You know he's gonna

526
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: probably be a shooter next year. You know the area

527
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: he's in late season, I'll probably surmize that much. But I, um,

528
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: you know, I've as far as late season and this time,

529
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean picking up horns, I guess, uh,

530
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: you know, I always take note of where or do

531
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: your feeding and fields where I see them when it's

532
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: really extremely cold out where you know, all that kind

533
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, you know, trails pop up. You've

534
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: got highways that start when you've got deek snows and

535
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and and those sort of things. But as the snow melts, um,

536
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good picture before it greens

537
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: up and everything becomes just you know, covered up to

538
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: see what happened that late last season. If that's if

539
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: that's the stuff you're looking for? Yes, so so is

540
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff you're looking for? Or maybe what

541
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: I should say is when is the most important sign

542
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: for you? Like when do you really try to scout?

543
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: Is it just as soon as as soon as i

544
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: get the bowl my hand and I'm ready to kill

545
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: something that's like my um, I've and and it it

546
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: might be different than a lot of other people and

547
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: how they go about things, but I I've went through

548
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: in the in the years of of like i'd say,

549
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: come coming into my own as like as a hunter

550
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: and really figuring out my own style and how I

551
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: do things. I tried to do a lot of summer scouting.

552
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: I tried to do, you know, and I've you know,

553
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: all those things like you know, I was out there,

554
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: you know, setting up stands after the season or you

555
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: know to where I've seen you know, good bucks in

556
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: that area, um, late season, and they're like, oh, this

557
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: this is a really good spot late season. You know,

558
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: let me just have to stand there. I'll go find

559
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: where they're you know, a nice hot creek crossing in

560
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: the middle of summer, and I set up the stands

561
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: on there and into whereas I killed good deer you know,

562
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: the following year. And it definitely helped. I think it.

563
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: I honestly think it. It hurts just it helped to

564
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: know general patterns and stuff up the land, but it

565
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: never really paid off like it does for me walking

566
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: into the woods. As soon as I know that I

567
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: can go figure something out, as soon as I know

568
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: I can really go after something, finding out what is

569
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: going on at that exact second. You know, I've I've

570
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I've I've hung stands late season on deer before and

571
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: those deer now remain it next year. And you know,

572
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: so a stand that I was banking on thinking about

573
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: last year, Oh that you know that Big eight was

574
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: split in two was coming out here last year, He's

575
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: probably gonna be around here. You know. I'd make all

576
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: these you know, I'd surmise all these uh you know

577
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking. I was like Okay, he's

578
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: probably gonna be right here, and I I'd be figuring

579
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: it out. And I just think that I was getting

580
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: ahead of my I think I was helping myself for

581
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: next season. And then next season would come and you

582
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: know that deer might have you know, not not made.

583
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: It might have got a racking faction, or he just

584
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: wasn't there for some reason. I got poached or you know,

585
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: into where uh, and then you know, the summer signed.

586
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, all these deer are frequent in this well.

587
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: As soon as they come in a heart antler, I mean, boom,

588
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: the pattern changes. They're eating something different there. You know,

589
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: they got more testas when running through them. They're just

590
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: not as lax of there in summer months. So I

591
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: just really started focusing on you know, I take that

592
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: stuff into account and I and I do it here

593
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: and there. But like to me, it's like, you know,

594
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: it's like sitting at that race, you know, and when

595
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: that freaking gun gets fired, that's when I'm like, boom,

596
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: what is going on? Where's it happening? Now? How do

597
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: I kill something? You know? I try not to think

598
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: about that stuff. Well, yeah, they were there late season,

599
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: but who gives a ship. You know that deer was

600
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: here in the you know, in the summer, I was

601
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: getting I got pictures on the velvet at all, you know,

602
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: I hear that from a lot of guys. I gotta

603
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: have pictures, pictures of them all the summer. I velt

604
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: right here and they're hunting right there when the season opens.

605
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Instead of going to look for a sign, figuring out

606
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: exactly where that there is now, well I stopp getting

607
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: picture them three weeks ago. Well white you hunting there?

608
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: You know. I mean so a lot of people just

609
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: get caught up. And I might sound like a broken record,

610
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: but on the past, um, I think it's very important

611
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: to to take things in here, take things in the

612
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: now and just figure them out. And if you find

613
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: out what's going on now is what was going on

614
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: in the past, well whatever that you know, then then

615
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: you're right. You know. Then you've you've checked your work.

616
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: You know, you're not you're not just banking on past sign.

617
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, if if you go check it and it says, oh,

618
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: yet this deer is still doing what he was doing

619
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: in the summer, well then so be it. Go kill him,

620
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, But but what if he's not you know

621
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: why you know why I commit to that. So, um,

622
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like I might what we

623
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: even went off on a tangent. But but that's sort

624
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: of sort of how I feel about the um a

625
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: lot of the summer stuff. And another thing too, I

626
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I really do think that these deer um, well no,

627
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't think. I know, these deer make bigger gains, um,

628
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: And they're more susceptible to be killed if you leave

629
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: him alone and you're not trumping through the piece that

630
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: you're planning on hunting and you're not doing a lot

631
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: of that. Although I think they might take a little

632
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: bit more of that at that point in time because

633
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: it's not so you know, I think the summer there,

634
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: everything is more relaxed. Nothing's really like you know, being

635
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: hunted or whatever. But um, I do think that's a

636
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: big thing as well. And it's a big advantage too,

637
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: like if you know, if you know you've got some

638
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: good deer on the fort of your hunting, stayed hell

639
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: out of it. I mean you let them let them

640
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: have that, let them let them hang out, let them

641
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: let them grow their racks and the stress for the environment,

642
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then boom, I just I jump in

643
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: there right as soon as I can kill them, I

644
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: figure out where they're going, where they're betting, you know,

645
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: I try at least, and then you know, you have

646
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: that element of surprise instead of you know, throughout the

647
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: summer you're in there trimming stuff, you're leaving cent, You're

648
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: you're walking around, You're bumping the deer. You know, you're

649
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: you're putting unnecessary stress on those deer um, you know,

650
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: before it's time. It's it's it's almost like kind of

651
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: showing your cards a little bit, uh in a in

652
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: a poker game, you know, I mean, like, why why

653
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: do it? That's the kind of that's that's the that's

654
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: the mentality I take into it personally. And I and

655
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I know guys that that scout

656
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: the piss out of their property and summer they kill

657
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: good bucks every year. So I'm not saying it's not

658
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: the it's just the way I you know, the way

659
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it. But so so that

660
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: makes sense. But then my immediate next question, though, is

661
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: how do you do that kind of scouting to figure

662
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff out during the season without

663
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: having the same negative impact that you talked about in

664
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: the summer. So how do you get in there learn

665
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: this stuff without spooking those deer out right then and

666
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: there when you actually can hunt them. Um, I feel

667
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: like that's the big like balancing act I imagine you

668
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: have to handle. So in the answer to that is,

669
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't care. I know that right when I go

670
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: in there, I will be setting up a stand that

671
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: time and I will be waiting for that dear. So

672
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't that completely. That doesn't even enter my mind.

673
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: You know that that thought processes. You know a lot

674
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: of guys, Oh, I don't want to go in there

675
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: because because I'm gonna ruin it. Well, I don't think

676
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: like that. I go in there, Well, I have to

677
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: go in there because I want to kill him. Because

678
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: I want to kill that deer. Now to that to

679
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: that point, you know, if I know there's a if

680
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: I'll look at arials, I'll surmise where I think if

681
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: a deer was in that area where you come out

682
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: speed you know or whatnot, And I you know, I'm

683
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: not going to go trump right in there the first day.

684
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you can find out a lot by you know,

685
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: scouting an edge where you know, you know deer aren't

686
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: betting or edge of a food source and hanging a stand, um,

687
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: and you know, damn well, you can be in a

688
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: spot where you can kill him. But my mentality on

689
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: that is simply, well, as soon as he finds me out,

690
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a position to kill him. So

691
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't care, right because when he's when he's having

692
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: that aha moment, you're slipping an arrow of if there

693
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: was that's that's kind of the you know that that's

694
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: definitely the uh, the game plan, you know, I mean,

695
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: if if if you can sneak in there, um and uh,

696
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean think about it. That dear has

697
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: never been tipped off of you. You you haven't been

698
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: scouting that place, you haven't been leaving any he's been.

699
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: He's been there, you know, doing his thing the whole time.

700
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: You come in, you find him and you're immediately hunting

701
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: him instead of coming in finding the spot. You scout around,

702
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, this would be a good spot, and then

703
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: you hang a stand. You know, you leave it. That

704
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: deer might even start to kind of straightler from that area,

705
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: or at least I think that, you know, if you're

706
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: doing that stuff months before the season, and you're you're

707
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: going in there, and then a lot of guys will

708
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: hang camera. It's like right on there there standing thing

709
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: that they hung and then they'd be checking those even

710
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: though they only check them like once a month. But

711
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: any any messing around in there, I just think, you know, if, if,

712
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: and even if you know he's there, if I know

713
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: he's there, I'll get the hell out. I won't trim

714
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: a damn thing, I won't hang a stand, I won't

715
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: set a camera there if I know, what do I

716
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: need five pictures of him for? If I know he's there,

717
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: and I plan on killing the opening with the season.

718
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's just the kind of way I look

719
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: at things. I don't, you know, it's I don't know.

720
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: I also I don't know if that makes sense, but

721
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: but it does, I hope so so so I know

722
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: you kill the buck this past season on I think

723
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: it was October twelve, maybe um was that hunt the

724
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: way that things led up to it. Was that a

725
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: good example of what you're describing here, And if so,

726
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: could you actually walk us through, like from October one

727
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: through October twelve, what you did each hunt leading up

728
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: to that kill. Finally, I'm kind of curious to hear

729
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: if you, like you knew about him, you made a

730
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: move on. I tell her first it wasn't quite right.

731
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: You tweaked it again. I made another move? Is that

732
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: is that kind of what happened that this year? This year? Um,

733
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: definitely is in the typical fashion of how I normally hunt.

734
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: I killed him in the in the timber, you know,

735
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: on the way back to his bed, after figuring out

736
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: where he betted. But as far as a clear, clean

737
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: example of what was going on and in like an

738
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: early season and not messing up the property, um, it

739
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: might not be the best example. I have other deers

740
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: that are like perfect. You know, you can you can

741
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: uh line up the story, you know, um, day by day.

742
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: This one was more so I had no idea where

743
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: he was. I was more so focused on a different

744
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: side of property. Um. You know it. It actually showcases

745
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: maybe another lesson to be learned, you know. I I

746
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: knew there was a good buck on a different different area.

747
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: I was hunting a different area of the majority of

748
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: the beginning of season, you know, and I was hunting

749
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: this deer and hunting this deer, and you know, it's

750
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: one of those things where sometimes you can't, you know,

751
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: you can't allow yourself to be that pinned out. So I,

752
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, started started branching out and started looking in

753
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: different areas instead of just hammering home on the same

754
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: exact area. You know, if if you have that opportunity. Now,

755
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know this buck per se, you know, It's

756
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: just it was more so like, hey, this is this

757
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: is a good buck that I would kill, you know,

758
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: not like, hey this is the buck that I want

759
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: to kill. So you knew that based stuff of what

760
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: off of like big rubs you saw or like in

761
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: past years you saw you know, this one, this one

762
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I had a I actually had a trail camera um

763
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: out on a on a field edge, UM in a

764
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: position to where I like it was a it was

765
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: a spot on the field edge that it's it's a

766
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: primary scrape every year. You know. It wasn't it obviously

767
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: wasn't scraped when I hung in the camera. But I

768
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: knew that as soon as that season will start rolling around,

769
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I would have you know, that thing would be starting

770
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 1: to get shredded up. They shred their velvet in this area.

771
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: I've seen it, you know years before ars and they

772
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: started just raking the seacre tree. It's a it's a big,

773
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: overhanging seedar tree on the edge of the crop field.

774
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: So I just had that camera out there, knowing that

775
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'll probably get it, you know, at

776
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: least a bit of inventory, you know, come when the

777
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: season opens and see if there's anything that that's you know,

778
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: we're shooting here. So I ended up getting one picture

779
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: of this deer, which immediately gave me some information, even

780
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: on that fact that there was only one picture of him.

781
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: But there was a picture of him, and it wasn't

782
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: the best picture, but I was looking at it, I'm like, okay,

783
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you know that that that deer will probably do. Let me,

784
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: let me, let me try and find them, you know.

785
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: Then I um, but to that point, that was a

786
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: couple of days before season, and I checked that camera,

787
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: and then I started to surmising my game plan. Um,

788
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, I started hunting for that deer before I

789
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: even knew about this other this this book that I

790
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: ended up killing. Um. But as soon as I found

791
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: out about that book, you know, then I just or

792
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: even before I found out about that book, this deer

793
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: was was proven, you know, I mean, he was definitely

794
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: had a long he was traveling a long ways, and

795
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: I was, I was, you know, trying to get at that,

796
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: and then I just decided, Hey, you know, I'm gonna

797
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually gonna increase my odds here. And I

798
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: started looking at other places as well, because you know,

799
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't know where that buck was at,

800
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know how often he was freaking that area. Um,

801
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: I had to dive in right away and started trying

802
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: to figure out those things. But at the same time,

803
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't gonna pin myself down and spend

804
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: the entire season right on that spot where I got

805
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: the camera picture, just because you know, I am trying

806
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: not to take that for um two specific either, just

807
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: like a single picture on a camera. So so okay,

808
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: so you how many times did you actually hunt in

809
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: the area where he ended up killing that buck? Actually

810
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: like thinking, okay, I'm gonna try to kill the good

811
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: buck that's in this area. How many hunts did it

812
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: take till you actually had to happen? So can you

813
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: tell me about the first and why? So? So this one,

814
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: this one, like I said, this one is a little

815
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: bit it's not I wouldn't say, uh, it's a little

816
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: bit simpler than some of the other ones, and we

817
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: can dive into something like that, like you said that

818
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: maybe really rings home on that Nose County. But this

819
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: this all comes about of like, okay, you know this

820
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: is a this is the home farm. You know when

821
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: I do you know, I just know from years that

822
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: like okay, when when signs popping up here and you know,

823
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: a deer's you know, I might see it deer feeding

824
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: in in this area, I immediately start to you know,

825
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: ring in my head. Okay, well I think he's you know,

826
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: I make those. It's not like being on a new

827
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: property and and thinking and having to really go, uh look,

828
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: so this was just a simple, um, you know, scouting

829
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: session where you know, I mean I noticed an ice trail,

830
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: some big tracks I you know, paired debt with you know,

831
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: seeing a buck out in the field. Um, and I

832
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, immediately it was just like, okay, well,

833
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: I think he's he's either betting, you know, on the

834
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: backside of this ridge or the one over. So it

835
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: was like slip up there, check it out. You know.

836
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: I seemed a good sign on that ridge. I've seen

837
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: what I you know what I anticipated that nears track

838
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: was because I went out in the field, you know,

839
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: looked at it. Um, there were some there were some

840
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: light rubs popping up, you know, coming in from the

841
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: corner of this wood lot that I figured he was

842
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: probably you know, scraping on as he was coming in

843
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: and out from his from his betting areas. So I

844
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: just I slipped up on a ridge that, um, you

845
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: know I've hunted in the past, Um, that I knew

846
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: would be the perfect ambush point if he was coming

847
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: in with the wind I had, you know, I mean

848
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: to to bet in that corner. And I knew in

849
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: my head that, well, ship, if he's not, if this

850
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: is another book and this is not him, and I

851
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: don't kill him this morning, I'll kill him the mile,

852
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: because I'll go on the next ridge over. And I was,

853
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, I was just sure in my head that

854
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: he had to be better in one of those spots.

855
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: And then if I didn't, if I didn't run into

856
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: him on that other ridge, well then I had really

857
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: just started to dissect it and and kind of you know,

858
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: looking between and see what I was missing, and but

859
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: end up happening on the first one on the first time,

860
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: so it was actually the second sit um. But with

861
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: that being said, you know, I've been I've had properties

862
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: that have you know, never been on and it's like, okay,

863
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: you know or haven't been in two to three years,

864
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: and it's just day one. You get in there, Okay,

865
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: you've got no no previous information, nothing, and you gotta

866
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: just figure it out. You gotta you gotta go look

867
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: for something you know and and then you you know,

868
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: you move from there. But this one, uh, you know,

869
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: I feel like the more you hunt, the more you

870
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: hunt certain farms. Uh. You definitely kind of not only

871
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: just in general, but you should. You should have an

872
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: idea of where you're you know, where your dear typically

873
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: better where you um what previous history coming back to

874
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: help you for sure? Um, you mentioned the fact that

875
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: you looked at those tracks. How big I don't know

876
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: if you actually ever measure or put your hands up

877
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: to or anything like that, but how big of a

878
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: track do you need to see to like interest to

879
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: you to say, oh, yeah, that's that's a big mature buck.

880
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I've seen it. It. Uh, it's

881
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: weird because you know, tracks don't lie. You're gonna have

882
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: a you know, I've hunted. I've killed good deer on

883
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: just a single track, on a single trail and really

884
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: thick stuff and shot him at five yards just sitting

885
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: on that track, like, well, what the hell was it?

886
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: This is a big deer. I mean, if it's a

887
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a deer, I don't want to

888
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: shoot well whatever, but it's a big track. Um, so

889
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: I do like the track thing. Um a four finger track,

890
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: I think is is a is a tank. Um, there's

891
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: there's definitely um, you know deer that I've shot that

892
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: are some of my biggest deer over one seventy that

893
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a big track though, you know. So I

894
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: mean they're just they're just a younger deer. So you

895
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: can't but you can't go wrong with with with hunting

896
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: big tracks if you got if you got big tracks,

897
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: you got big gear, you got old deer. So I

898
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: mean it's not nothing wrong. Just here had a pretty

899
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: good track. I didn't measure it, you know, I just

900
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I see it. I'm like, okay, that's a good box.

901
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: You know it was you know, it was national, um

902
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: nice and wet. You know. I was thinking real deep

903
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: into them love. Um it was good side, good size,

904
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, displayed quite a bit and um, you know,

905
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: and that leaves me even the rubs I phone. You know,

906
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: it's not like I phone. You know, trees of this

907
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: bucks that were you know, twenty inches wide that were

908
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: just shredded the ship. I mean these are little, um

909
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: it's a little sapling type trees. Um that I think

910
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: it was just casual you know, um, you know, regulars

911
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: bass and stuff like that. So I mean I've hunted, uh,

912
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I found areas and and see you the thinks that

913
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: were just shredded. I mean you'd think the trees and

914
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: there were freaking huge and then high and all that stuff.

915
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: And you know, some you know, you gotta figure it out.

916
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: You know. I've had you know, a hundred thirty five

917
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: deer and walking like, oh man, you know, you're you're

918
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: thinking this thing's gotta be hulock like the way this

919
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: place looks. So I mean a lot of that could

920
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: be deceiving, but that's where you got to stay on it.

921
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: And um, I mean when I seen that tra I

922
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: knew I knew a d percent you know, just we're

923
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: he was in the field where the track was, you know,

924
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: where your typically bed, where I thought he'd be bet

925
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: and it was just you know, it was all there. Um.

926
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: I feel like that is the secret sauce kind of

927
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: that a lot of people struggle with. Is you know

928
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: that maybe they figured out, Okay, I need to be mobile,

929
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: I need to move in, try to find this hot

930
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: sign or whatever that's gonna help me know where to

931
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: hunt right now. UM. But actually saying that is a

932
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: lot easier than doing it, like knowing this sign that's

933
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: worth setting up on. UM. So I'm kind of curious

934
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: you alluded to some other examples of past years where

935
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: you have kind of done this from the get go,

936
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: started out early season and worked your way into one. Um.

937
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Is there another example you could walk us through where

938
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: you did that? Um? I'm kind of particularly interested in,

939
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: like what specific sign led you to do X, which

940
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: led you to do why which led you to kill

941
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: that deer? Um? I know you killed an opening day

942
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: booner back in two thousand and fifteen. Is that a

943
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: good example of that? Um? Yeah, I mean that's a

944
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: pretty that was that was a place that I hadn't

945
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: um hunted in a couple of years. UM, And I

946
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: was actually, uh, I was on the road, and um,

947
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I think it was it was Kansas, and I was

948
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: talking in Kansas, and I was just and I had

949
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: never hunted in cancer before, so I was just you know,

950
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: turning and burning, you know, hunting as much find out

951
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: as much afore as I could happen and all that stuff.

952
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: It was real early, it was real hot. Um, there's

953
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: a lot less sign out there. It was just it

954
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: was different. It was a whole different ball again when

955
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: I was used to like thicker more, you know, stuff

956
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: like that, and I and you know, so opening day

957
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I came, you know, so I had already been you

958
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: know kind of you know in that in that mindset,

959
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: and then opening day came and I uh literally just

960
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: went and walked the property. You know, I got the

961
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: I got the wind of my nose and I just

962
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: started looking for looking for good sign. So I started,

963
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: uh you know walking. Um. I actually had to hook

964
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: her on the back side of the property just so

965
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: I could you know, have an idea. Um. And I

966
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: walked through the whole the whole west end of the property. UM.

967
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: And my goal right when I got there was two Okay,

968
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go set up a

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: spot that I think I can kill one in the morning,

970
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: and I'm going to then you know, go hop up

971
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: hopping a spot for the evening, just to just to

972
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: see what's going on. So UM, I ended up, you know,

973
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: coming up, coming up a crick and um, you know,

974
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: finding a a little rub line, you know, go out

975
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: the side of the hill. You know, definitely you know,

976
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: was was picking some interest, but UM, I went more

977
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: so UM I was trying to I was more so

978
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: trying to find where I was really trying to kick

979
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: very here honestly what I was trying to do. Um,

980
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: And this was normally I think I I think I

981
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: had about four days. So if I typically would have

982
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: went there and I was there for as long as

983
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: it takes there, if I had a couple of weeks,

984
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have been this. I would

985
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: have probably started off and a more of a you know,

986
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: outside the timber approach. But um, it was one of

987
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: those things that I didn't have a lot of time,

988
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: and I knew I only had a few days, so

989
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: I went with the soul intent you know in my

990
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: mind to check out a book. So you know, I

991
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: got the UM, I got to win like I said it,

992
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: uh you know, in my fever, and started scouting these

993
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: these uh these ridges and uh now there's a really

994
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: stick on the map and I've killed deer around it

995
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: in the past. So it was one of those things where,

996
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know that some stuff was going

997
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: on here, but I literally ended up able to um

998
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: sneak up on this buck and I seen him betted.

999
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: You know, I could see a rack in the you know,

1000
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: he was really sick brier patch. You know, I'm talking

1001
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: like just supernarly, and I've seen him and I'm thinking, okay,

1002
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: all right, well, you know, immediately in my mind, I'm

1003
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: thinking this books dead. So I then purposely, like kind

1004
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: of was even loud about it. I I sort of

1005
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: jog toward him, like just just know, got a sort

1006
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: a jog toward him. Not I didn't sneak up on him.

1007
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: I just you know, I wanted him to know I

1008
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: was there on his own accord and get away safely.

1009
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: So I just I kind of just you know, dragging

1010
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: his direction. Got let me get out of there. I

1011
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: looked around. I found a couple of beds in the

1012
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: spot that he was betted, you know, and I did

1013
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: not think deeper into it. I literally set a stand.

1014
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: I pulled up my phone. I've seen what the wind

1015
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: was going to be the next day, um, and I said, okay,

1016
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be a north wind. So I

1017
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: looked at that area where he was at. You know,

1018
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: I found some I found some tracks around there. I've

1019
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: seen kind of some trails that were coming into that.

1020
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: I surmised where I thought he was coming from. And

1021
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: I set a stand up four north wind, and I

1022
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: literally walked out of there. In my mind, okay, well

1023
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: that he is dead tomorrow, let me see if I

1024
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: can find a better one. So I went down, walked

1025
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: across the entire other side of the property. UM. I

1026
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: went to my truck, grabbed another tree stand, and then

1027
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: I went out and I actually hung a stand on

1028
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: the south end of the farm, completely opposite end. I

1029
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: didn't want to mess with anything that Buck I thought

1030
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: was gonna be doing tonight. I said, okay, he's gonna

1031
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: probably go about whatever he's doing in the evening, which

1032
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell he's doing in the evening,

1033
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: but I want to be away from him. So I

1034
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: was like, let me go see, let me check the

1035
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: other side of this property and see what I can't

1036
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: get into it. So, um, I found a little good

1037
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: trail through some six CRP betting, and I hung up

1038
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: in a sapling like four ft high and literally and

1039
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: I actually passed up a hundred that night. First sit

1040
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: of just getting out there, walking, getting out a good trail.

1041
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: It was as simple as that good trail, beating the CRP,

1042
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: good tracking it all right, Well this this seems as

1043
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: good as play as any. I'm gonna feel my tech

1044
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: in my morning anyway. So you know that was kind

1045
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: of the thought I had in my mind. Hunted there. Um.

1046
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: You know that one night UM backed out next morning,

1047
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, I came in from the opposite direction due

1048
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: to what the win was doing. I just wanted to

1049
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a better own access from

1050
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: where I've seen that trail where he was coming through.

1051
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bump him if he was still

1052
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: on his way there. I got to put in that

1053
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: stand and killed in my seven ten at ten yards.

1054
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: I literally was, you know, ten yards down wind of

1055
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: the bed that I just kicked him up out of.

1056
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was going to bed in

1057
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: that same spot or he might have betted, you know

1058
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: a little bit down or it was a giant thicket

1059
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: in there, and there were kids everywhere. But I knew that,

1060
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, I just called myself, well if I manipulate

1061
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: you know this area is because as I can, you know,

1062
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: I I'm gonna kill him so and he died. So

1063
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: it's just kind of one of those uh um, those

1064
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: those situations of constantly moving, you know, even even the

1065
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: fact of like I remember talking to Buddy mine He's like,

1066
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: why don't you just jump? And I know, my old man,

1067
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: you should do this a lot like he would have

1068
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: jumped right in that stand when he said it, and

1069
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, just in case that buck with came back, um,

1070
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: and he would have killed him at evening, you know,

1071
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: if he would have came back, I personally, I like, uh,

1072
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: I've had more luck, you know. Um, depending on the

1073
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: temperament of the deer. Like if you bump a deer

1074
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: off his um, his uh his bed and and sometimes

1075
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: you see him and they'll they'll almost like scamper off

1076
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe like fifty yards and stop and look back. That

1077
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: might be a deer You want to be in that

1078
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: stand right away. I mean, if you know he you

1079
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like he might or I think

1080
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: he might have a little bit more of a easy

1081
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: temperament and be more prone to coming right back and

1082
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, you might kill him. He might come back

1083
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: to bed right in that spot when he when he

1084
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: thinks you's gone. Um, if the deer completely leaves, I'll

1085
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: usually give it, you know, I'll let him sort of.

1086
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: I think there's almost like a like, uh I call

1087
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: it like a beat pattern, you know, like a deer

1088
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: might have a pattern, and a beat pattern. You know

1089
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: if he if he runs into danger, he might resort

1090
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: to a bat pattern. And then you know, when he

1091
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: feels like it's all legit and copsthetic, he might circle

1092
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: back to his normal activities. So I in my head,

1093
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm categories and you know, this deer, I mean, this

1094
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: deer took off. He was gone, I mean, you know,

1095
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: like a bat out of hell. He's in me and ran,

1096
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: you know. So um, I'm thinking, Okay, well I'm gonna

1097
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: let him. He's probably in the bed, bet up somewhere else,

1098
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, God knows where, maybe go about a different

1099
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: evening pattern. But I think he'll probably cycle back through

1100
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: and and come back here. So I gave that one

1101
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: an extra day and it proved h it proved to

1102
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: be the right choice. Man. So this is the infamous

1103
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: bump and dump strategy that um, that I've heard a

1104
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: number of people talk about, but in particular your dad. UM,

1105
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: I think has kind of gained a little notoriety around that. UM.

1106
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: I feel like the kind of the crux of pulling

1107
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: that off seems to be setting up properly for that

1108
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: hunt that next Like, how do you actually set up

1109
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: on the bed. So I'm kind of curious what's going

1110
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: through your mind when you you bump a deer, you

1111
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: know it's a buck you want to shoot, when you

1112
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: make that decision of which tree to set up for.

1113
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned in this case he looked at

1114
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: the wind direction. UM, but can you pride any more

1115
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: detail as far as you did you try to set

1116
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: up within range of the trail or a specific bed,

1117
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: or did you think about how the buck might approach

1118
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: when he came back the next morning or anything like that.

1119
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that UM. You know, you know

1120
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned the bumping dump, and that's something that you know,

1121
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: I the old Man coined and I think people years

1122
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: ago I thought that was like, you know, something completely crazy,

1123
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: and um, you know that goes along to where some

1124
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: guys like to be in there right away. Um, some

1125
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: guys you know, wait, I've I took what he always

1126
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: did and I you know, not followed it verbatim. But okay,

1127
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: I sort of found on the way and started killing

1128
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: deer where I you know, it almost weren't better for

1129
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: me the other the other way. So with that being said,

1130
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't start really killing deer with this said for

1131
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: for a while. I mean I I screwed up a

1132
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: more big deer, try and to pull this off. Then,

1133
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, it took a while. And to that point,

1134
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: like you said, you have to where a lot of

1135
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: guys mess up, and I hear it a lot is

1136
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: they'll find these spots, they'll find the deer, they'll kick

1137
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: them off, They'll they'll be in a perfect situation to

1138
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: kind of bring the whole thing home, and they'll they

1139
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: just won't. They won't manipulate the spot. Right. So what

1140
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: I think that comes down to mostly is is really

1141
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: pay attention, look around, don't get um. I think I

1142
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is, you know a lot of

1143
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: guys don't really concept the wind direction um, or they

1144
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: think maybe like, well, if I put my centlock soon on,

1145
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: I I should be able to get on, get anywhere

1146
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: in here and kill this deer. And that's it's, you know,

1147
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: probably not the best best attitude to have. Um. Every

1148
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: time is different, but you have to take I think

1149
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: you have to take everything in account. So, UM, if

1150
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: there's one thing my old man told me back in

1151
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: the day, um that I sort of remembered, uh, and

1152
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: then I've definitely adopted in setting up tree stands in

1153
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: any situation is like, um, you know, don't I don't

1154
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: know what exactly said, but in the lines that don't

1155
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: be greedy like so, you know, so I tell people

1156
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: a lot this you know nowadays that I talked to

1157
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: like you know, something that I you know, learned from

1158
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: him back in the day. But you're never gonna get everything.

1159
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: So so many guys and especially guys like us like

1160
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: we're we don't kill there at fifty yards like we

1161
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: we can't or I mean I can't speak for that.

1162
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I can't kill there at fifty yards. My you know,

1163
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: I like them close. I like a super close shot.

1164
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: You know. I don't want to worry about having a

1165
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: because I don't shoot that much, probably, but but I

1166
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: just so back to what you you know, it's you're

1167
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: never gonna get at all. So so many guys go

1168
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: in there and they start looking like, okay, there's bed

1169
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: right here, there's a rub there, there's a trailer there,

1170
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: there's you know, um, you know just over here this

1171
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: and they start like trying to they start trying to

1172
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: become infatuated with covering uh, you know, a football field

1173
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: size area when like, realistically, if you just if you

1174
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: if you prioritize and you think, you think about it,

1175
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, so win direction is number one. You know,

1176
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: you can't let's say, let's say you got his trail right,

1177
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta beat trail coming into that to

1178
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: that his bed or or this little betting area right. Um,

1179
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: and you know in your body that okay, you know

1180
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: your mind or whatever your mind, your body, what you're

1181
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: thinking about it. You're like, this deer is coming up

1182
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: this ridge on this trail. The you know, the sign

1183
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: tells me this, and he's betting in this, um, he's

1184
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: bedding in this you know this bed right here, and

1185
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: you got it all figured out. But if you if

1186
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: you don't have a wind hunt that trail, well, you're

1187
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, you can't hunt it. So so many guys

1188
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: like I said, well no, I think i'm and then

1189
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: they try and they try and tell themselves why I

1190
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: think I'll get away with it. I'll bring my those

1191
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: eyes in here or else. That's where guys start messing up,

1192
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: like so, first and foremost, I look at the wind.

1193
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: If I you know, even if that near was two

1194
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: right right, I bumped them out of there, and I

1195
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: looked at the wind. The next morning they would have

1196
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: been at east wind. I wouldn't hunt it because I

1197
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: couldn't have. There was that spot. There was just it

1198
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: wasn't plausible. I just so happened to be having a

1199
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: good wind of what was going on. So I think,

1200
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: and I used to try and do that. I used

1201
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: to try and fight it and force it and think like, okay,

1202
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: well yeah, I know he's on this, you know. But

1203
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: to that point, you know, so first and foremon as

1204
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: a wind, you know, I mean, you gotta get a

1205
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: wind that's gonna um let you hunt that area. I think,

1206
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: all I know, um, you know, Then I started looking

1207
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: at like, okay, would'd rather shoot a bedlar rather sho trail.

1208
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: What I'd rather shoot. I'd rather shoot them all. But

1209
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: I let the wind dictate what I can cover and

1210
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: where I where I understand um in that area, that's

1211
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: that's that's it. Yeah. So one of the questions I

1212
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: have then, regarding the wind you hunted on is if

1213
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: hear some people talk about how they tend to see

1214
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: mature bucks coming to their beds. I've heard people talk

1215
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: about like a j hook where they might circle in

1216
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: and come down wind of the bed that they want

1217
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: to get to and check it before walking into it.

1218
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like that or do you think

1219
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: about anything different as far as how you anticipate a

1220
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: buck moving in. I've seen that, Um, but I don't.

1221
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't even think about that like I I have

1222
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I always keep that knowledge in

1223
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: my head about like okay, well, dear, typically do this

1224
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: or you know there are big bucks in the past

1225
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: have done this, or you know, um, but I very

1226
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: rarely try and some all bucks up into into um

1227
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: into like a you know, all the same thing. Um

1228
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: this dear trying to think of how that exactly exactly

1229
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: laid out? Um. I knew that the only place that

1230
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: I could shoot this year with the north wind was um,

1231
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: it was actually I think I was probably twenty yards

1232
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: from where he was vetted, um, you know, ten yards

1233
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: from the trail, and there was a lot of other

1234
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: sign that was that was farther over. Like you know,

1235
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: I could see he was. He was, you know, browsing around,

1236
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: rubbing some stuff up and like he was doing a

1237
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in that area. But I knew that's

1238
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: the only ride could beat. So you know, to that point,

1239
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: if he would have came in in in jay Hook.

1240
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: But if he would have came and you know, um,

1241
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: you know with the wind in the wrong direction, you know,

1242
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: like the like the popular or whatever that may have been,

1243
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: it didn't matter because that was the only place I

1244
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: could beat. So that's not gonna you know, affect um,

1245
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, be being in there now. I also looked though,

1246
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: and I'm I mean, I pretty much I dial it

1247
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: down to where Okay, like you know this, I've seen

1248
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: the trail, you know, I've seen his tracks on the

1249
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: trail coming up that ridge, So I knew he was

1250
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: looking around that ridge regardless, you know. So it was

1251
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: just one of those things that um, you know, in

1252
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: that scenario, I I took that. I took all I

1253
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: to get, you know, that was it? Yeah, I love

1254
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: that point you make about the fact that you can't

1255
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: be greedy, like you can't have it all. I I

1256
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: definitely used to fall into that same trap where I

1257
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: was thinking, I need to cover this and this and

1258
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: this and or or I do the what IF's game,

1259
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: so I would like to think about where to hunt,

1260
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: and I think, well, he might do this, so I

1261
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: should be trying to take advantage of that. But what

1262
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: if he did this, Well, then I may want to

1263
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: move my trees to inten yards further this way, because

1264
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: then I can maybe cover that lane. And then maybe

1265
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: if you hit this scrape and then you have like

1266
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: six different what if scenarios and you try to maybe

1267
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: set up for all of them. But then what inevitably happens,

1268
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 1: at least from my experience, is that if you try

1269
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: to set up for six what if scenarios, that so

1270
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: you maybe have a decent chance at each different scenario,

1271
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: You're not set up perfectly for any one of those.

1272
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of a shitty situation if he

1273
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: does any one of them. But what I've started to

1274
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: do more and more and I'm curious to hear if

1275
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: you think this is if this makes sense or not.

1276
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: But I've kind of started to do this. I'm I'm

1277
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: in my head. I'm kind of calling it like my

1278
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: truth and assumption, like a methodology or something. I'm I'm

1279
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: coining this thing in my own head as I'm saying it.

1280
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: But but I look at the situation and I say, Okay,

1281
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: what do I think this buck's gonna do? Like, what

1282
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: do I think is the most likely thing is gonna do?

1283
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: And so let's say I think the most likely thing

1284
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: is that he's betted in Spot A and he's gonna

1285
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: walk from Spot A down this trail to feed in

1286
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: Spot B. If I had if you put a gun

1287
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: in my head, that would be my number one guest,

1288
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: based off of the sign, or based off of past experience,

1289
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: or based off trail cameras, whatever dad I have. And

1290
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: so instead of looking at that as one of like

1291
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: six possibilities and trying to set up for all six,

1292
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm now saying, Okay, I'm going to assume that my

1293
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: number one guess. I'm gonna assume that's truth, like that

1294
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen. And then I make all

1295
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: my decisions, assuming that's a truth. So I'm going to

1296
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: set up perfectly for that one thing. I'm gonna access

1297
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: perfectly for that one assumption. I'm going to you know,

1298
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: everything is going to be for that one scenario. And

1299
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of fine. That's working better because most of

1300
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: the time you're gonna get it wrong anyways. But if

1301
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: you set up perfectly for one scenario, every once in

1302
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: a while that scenario does happen, and then you end

1303
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: up having the perfect situation to get a shot, versus

1304
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, never ending up getting the perfect situation because

1305
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: you're always setting up for six What ifs um? Does

1306
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: that make sense at all? No? Yeah, I understand um.

1307
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: And And it's it's sort of like, you know, I

1308
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of have the same philosophy and stuff, like for

1309
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: how my my standard set up, Like if you know,

1310
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: I might be covering you know, a trail and US

1311
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: grape or whatever. But and there there's the opportunity to

1312
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: get more. But I have to like set my stand

1313
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: just a little farther over and I know, I, okay,

1314
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: well that that shot will be a standing shot. This

1315
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: want to I don't even do it because like I

1316
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: killed the majority of my dear with I always put

1317
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm sort of a definitely a I wouldn't say O

1318
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: C D per se, but like there's a there's a

1319
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: thing though, there's a there's a way I like to

1320
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: do things. And it's always the same. And the majority

1321
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: of time when I kill a deer, I'm I'm sitting

1322
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: down and I know exactly where he's gonna be, so

1323
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: I'll I'll cut out a lot of access stuff that

1324
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: I could cover just to have my stand at perfect

1325
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: direction towards there's minimal movement, and I'm ready to kill

1326
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: like like in that position, Like I love shooting sitting

1327
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: down and all my stands, you know, I take that account.

1328
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: So I I start to like you said, you know,

1329
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: you got your you know your a route or whatever

1330
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: whatever you're saying it is. But that's what I'm picking.

1331
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm setting up on them. You know if

1332
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: it if I hunt her, you know, you know on

1333
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: my winds, good he does something else, well I'll kill

1334
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: him the next day. I'll move on to the next day.

1335
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's I'm ready rocked in that scenario.

1336
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: You know, there's it's just one of those things where okay,

1337
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: but if that if that deer comes in, he doesn't

1338
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do It's not like one of those

1339
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: deals were like, oh, well, you could coming behind me,

1340
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you don't realize it

1341
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: and then he's behind you a fifteen yards and there's

1342
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: no way you can stand up turn around. Like I

1343
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: never I never want to have that happen, Like that's

1344
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: the worst um, that's the worst feeling in the world.

1345
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: Or even just never want to get handcuffed. Now I've

1346
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: been handcuffed in the past, and that one, No, it's

1347
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: not happening anymore. Like it's just I'd rather miss one,

1348
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 1: and I have missed a lot. I'd rather miss one,

1349
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, just clean, you know, and and being right

1350
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: on the money. Then something something stupid like that where

1351
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: you can't even get a shot, you know, and you

1352
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: never even knew you know, he could be dead, but

1353
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't you tried to, You tried to

1354
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: be a hog and tried to cover too much area,

1355
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: you ain't set up right, and you didn't think it out,

1356
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: you know. I think it's very important for these guys

1357
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: even too, like when they're setting up stands or anybody.

1358
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: Think it out man, like, think okay, think about your

1359
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: thought about this, Think about where I hear is gonna

1360
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: come from. Think about what shot you're gonna take when

1361
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna draw about like a lot of that. You know,

1362
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: there's there's all this scouting process and finding spots and

1363
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: and setting up stands, you know, and then there's even

1364
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: more to it. It's like, you know, some people do

1365
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: all that and they do it great and then all

1366
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden they just crumble when the beer shows up.

1367
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, having it in your mind,

1368
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: no one, what's going to happen, no one, you're gonna kill,

1369
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: no one when you're gonna kill, like all that really

1370
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: makes a big difference. Yeah. Yeah, those little details they matter,

1371
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure. So speaking a little details, um,

1372
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: drilling in just a little bit more on this specific

1373
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of bumping dump type scenario. When you get in there,

1374
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: you've figured out based off the wind and a little

1375
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: bit of the area you can see, you figure out

1376
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: the right tree set up, and um, do you worry

1377
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: about doing any kind of trimming once you get up

1378
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: to the tree or or anything like that, or do

1379
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: you say, okay, I'm just gonna hang the stand right

1380
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: here now and not touch another thing because I don't

1381
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: want to leave my scent anywhere or mess with that anymore.

1382
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: What's your balance? So just goes staying before I got

1383
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: my shirtain way that I do it. So I'm gonna

1384
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: pick that tree where I can get in my position

1385
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: and I can be ready to rock, you know in

1386
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: that seated shot you know across the left shoulder like

1387
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: it's it's that's just what you know, or my my shoulder.

1388
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: It's just that's the way I do it. So if

1389
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: I gotta trend, if I gotta freaking cut down a um,

1390
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: if I gotta cut down the tree slized my leg

1391
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: to make that happen, I'll do it like if if

1392
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: if obviously, if I can, if I'm not, if I'm

1393
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: a you know, a piece store, um, just because I

1394
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be there waiting and I don't carebably

1395
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: I'll senter that freaking area up crazy as long and

1396
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm so bad. If I know I can't get in there,

1397
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: well then i'll keep I'll get out and I won't

1398
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: I won't toun with it. But your first shot by shot,

1399
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: and you know, odds are by the time they realize,

1400
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: oh ship, you know something. You know this this is

1401
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: not the same place. You know, unless you know how

1402
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: they are. You can have dad if you do it right. So,

1403
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: so taking this tree stand setting up question a little

1404
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: bit further than can you just walk us through in general,

1405
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: how you actually go about setting up your mobile stand,

1406
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: whether it be uh, you know, whether it's a bumping

1407
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: dump or just a regular hunt you're sneaking in to

1408
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: set up your standing hunting that day. Um, like the

1409
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: exact specific scenario, like you set your backpack on the ground,

1410
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: you hook up a row, Like what exactly do you

1411
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: do from the moment you pick your tree to the time?

1412
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: Year up in it? Okay, so this is, um, yes,

1413
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: this is how I go about it. Now I'm gonna

1414
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: go through it. How um, I'm gonna use like even

1415
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: our new setup which makes this this this completely and

1416
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,520
Speaker 1: a game changer, completely different story now with how this works. So, um,

1417
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, typically I have I have my stand in

1418
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: my backs um sticks understand, packs it up, you know,

1419
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: strapped to that bone hand. You know, I always always

1420
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: pretty much have my bone hand. So, UM, what I

1421
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: will do when I find that spot? I will you know,

1422
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: take the stand off my back, and you know, with

1423
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: the intention of that being the only time that stand

1424
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: cooped up my back is the first time take the

1425
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: stand off my back and taken the bag, put it

1426
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: on the ground, and I hook my co rope up

1427
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: to my bag and my bowl, so my bag in

1428
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: my bowl are sitting on the ground. You know. I

1429
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: take the sticks off my stand and I put the

1430
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: stand back in my back. So now I got my

1431
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: stand on my back, UM bowl and the UM bags

1432
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: looked up at my tie rope. So then I just

1433
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: I start. I started at the tree. You know, I

1434
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: usually put about UM depending on how I need to

1435
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: get I might start out with a couple of screwings

1436
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, or just my sticks. But I put the

1437
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: first one to two sticks on the tree when I'm

1438
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 1: on the ground, you know, one at at that stepping

1439
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: level and one as high as I can reach. UM.

1440
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: And then I have the the last two sticks UM

1441
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: or three or four you know on my stand, so

1442
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: I can reach right back and grab him as I'm

1443
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: going up. So UM, I just my my goal is

1444
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: to get up in one shot. UM. I don't want

1445
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: to come back, and you know, don't now if if

1446
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm setting up something I'm not gonna hunt for you know,

1447
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: a couple of days, I won't even or I'm not

1448
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: going out until later. I won't even drop my door,

1449
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: or I'll just leave it there. You know. I'm not

1450
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm too worried about getting up there in one shot.

1451
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: But I'm going on like a hanging hunt. I definitely

1452
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: want to get up there once. I don't want to

1453
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: be sweating. I don't want to you know, have any

1454
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: you don't have it be uh um, you know, kind

1455
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: of more difficult than it needs to be. So um.

1456
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: You know, go up with the sticks hanging to stand down,

1457
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, then I get my stand said it, and

1458
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: then then I can pull on me here, you know.

1459
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: So it's it's that one, that one one shut up cover.

1460
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll definitely look for cover over anything. I

1461
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: don't hunt high. Um. I'd say ninety percent of the

1462
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: times I'm I'm between eight and fifty feet um, you know,

1463
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: and more so even I said, if I had to

1464
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: pick a height that I was at, like if I

1465
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: had to pick one, height would probably be you know,

1466
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: majority of the time maybe ten ft twelve feet, you know,

1467
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: if I'm in the bottom and I need to, you know,

1468
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: get away with some some you know, the thermals or whatnot.

1469
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: Or if it's something that I need to get real high,

1470
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll get as high as I need to.

1471
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: I'll get twenty sometimes. But UM, I would rather be

1472
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: low and high any day. So is that for Is

1473
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: that simply because it allows you to get up faster

1474
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: and with fewer sticks, or is that because you know,

1475
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: you just don't want to be high, or is it

1476
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: because the better shot angles or you know, why are

1477
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: you doing that? I think it's everything. So I like,

1478
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: less equipment on my back at all times is definitely

1479
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: a plus. Get up quickly. Um, there's tends to be

1480
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: more cover down low. Um, you know shot angles. You know,

1481
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: nothing's cutter than a you know, ten yard shot, and

1482
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: you're just a couple of feet higher and deer. I

1483
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: mean it's sometimes you get real high and you throw

1484
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: some creased angles and it's and it's a pain. Um.

1485
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: But I truly believe that there's a there's a there's

1486
01:11:55,720 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: a spot in there. Um sounds weird, you you might

1487
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: think it's um kind of the opposite, but I feel

1488
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: like there's a spot in there where you're not like

1489
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: eye level, you're not opposite street, and it's almost like

1490
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: this little money zone that I feel. It's like it's

1491
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: like a miss. Now, don't get me wrong, when you

1492
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: hunt is high, you have to be you gonta have

1493
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: your wits about you. You gotta be s healthy. You

1494
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: can't be swinging your for head left and right. You

1495
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: can't be you know, uh, playing pac Man on a

1496
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: percent of time. I mean, you know, you've got to

1497
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: be ready to rod and you gotta know what you're

1498
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna do. But like when you're in that, when you're

1499
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: at that height, I almost feel like they look for you.

1500
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: They're not even you know, people talk about about they're

1501
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: looked up all the time, you know, and and which

1502
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: they very well might do. And then might be because

1503
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: you're sitting that they've seen in the same stand every day,

1504
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: or you're you know, and they used to looking for

1505
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: those street stands or whatever. But I do feel that

1506
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: there's a there's a mid heighting there that people are

1507
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: scared than that because they think it's too low. But

1508
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: I do it, like think like that's a better height

1509
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: to be at. I feel like there's less association from

1510
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: with danger at that height and you know, it's it's

1511
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: so I feel like it's kind of a in every

1512
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: aspect i'd just like to be you know, especially if

1513
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: you get some covered. Man, if you get some like

1514
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: real not really cover that low. I mean, I think

1515
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: that's the most invincible, like seniors like those you know,

1516
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: not real mature seniors, but man pan street off the

1517
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: ground and a senior tree. Um, I didn't talk. That's

1518
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: like that's like what death should look like in the

1519
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: in the dictionary. I mean it's it's, yeah, that's hard

1520
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: to it's hard to beat that. So. Um So then

1521
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: that brings me to trimming a little a little bit

1522
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: more on the trimming aspect. Are you Are you then

1523
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: in a situation like that, leaving as much cover as

1524
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: possible and just trim me out a lane to your

1525
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: to your one best spot you're like a location or

1526
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: do you try to have multiple shot opportunities available to

1527
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: like how do you balance that? Um? I definitely go

1528
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: so normally, mean, especially like a sediar situation, if it's

1529
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: really thick, I'll definitely focus on the couple of main

1530
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's some stuff that's so thick that

1531
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: I hunt that you couldn't possibly trem lane every every trail,

1532
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: So that's where you gotta be more focused in on

1533
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of times when it's real thick, I'll

1534
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: just I might even just set up on one trail.

1535
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, I know he's gonna come down here.

1536
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be seated ready to shoot him, you know,

1537
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: and this is my only shot, you know. I mean,

1538
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: I gotta by the time I see him, at the

1539
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: time he's dead, it'll probably be two seconds, you know.

1540
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of that that I would like

1541
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: to to go on you know, um where you can't

1542
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: really see a whole lot. But to that being said,

1543
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: if I can trim a little bit extra and cover

1544
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:42,440
Speaker 1: a couple of lanes, I will, Um. I'm pretty uh,

1545
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: I'm pretty critical on myself of of how like I

1546
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,919
Speaker 1: don't know what you'd call it, like my my actions

1547
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: in the stand, Like you know, I know that I'm

1548
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: not getting busted. I'm not moving around a lot like

1549
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I I sit like percent a time,

1550
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: like just waiting for so I'll sacrifice a little cover

1551
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: Like if it's if there's a bunch of stuff that

1552
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: I think, you know, let's say let's say I can't

1553
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, let's say there's so many hot trails in

1554
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: this little spot, which is which is hardly ever, but

1555
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: that where I need to cover cut electra stuff. I'll

1556
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: cut of the electrac stuff like I need to. I'm

1557
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: I've never been like a you know, a trimming nazi,

1558
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: like I need all this stuff. I need to be

1559
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: covered here, I need to be covered there. I'm definitely

1560
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: not like that. But I also don't drop every day

1561
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: and live down on the tree. So I just I

1562
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: guess I find a happy medium to where, um, I

1563
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: get enough shots and I got enough cover. Yeah that

1564
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: makes sense. So so this whole way of hunting, you know,

1565
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: sneaking in with a stand on your back and sticks

1566
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: like you alluded to earlier in our chat, Like that's

1567
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: become a whole lot more popular over the last i

1568
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: don't know, five years or so, give or take um.

1569
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: More and more people are realizing the benefits of hunting

1570
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: new areas. You know that those first time sits can

1571
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: be so great moving around a lot. So with so

1572
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 1: many more people kind of taking this approach and you

1573
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: having you know, a ton of experience doing it, also

1574
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: having learned from your dad, who was one of kind

1575
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: of the pioneers in this kind of hunting. When you

1576
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: see or hear all these other people trying this kind

1577
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: of hunt, what do you see as being the most

1578
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: common mistake that you see people making or hear about

1579
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: people making. Is there anything out there that just makes

1580
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: you cringe when you hear about other people trying to

1581
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: do mobile hunting in certain ways? Yeah? I think I

1582
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: I think what makes me cringe is is when people

1583
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: they people failed to notice the obvious. So with all

1584
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: the my biggest and the whole reason why I never

1585
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 1: really even talked to anybody about hunting. And you know,

1586
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't always get questions from people. I've always been

1587
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: trade show and killed so many good deal like why

1588
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: don't you why don't you talk to I've never wanted

1589
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: to give somebody information and have them take it wrong

1590
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: and mess up or something and be you know, touched

1591
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: or anything. But when people avoid to realize the obvious,

1592
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: Like so, my biggest fear is like even this podcast,

1593
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: people listen to this, and everybody will go out and

1594
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: look for that deer on that bed, and like that

1595
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: that's the only thing they think of in their mind,

1596
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: Like that's you know. And I've had even buddies like

1597
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: this too, you know. So it's like, you know, they

1598
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: go out there and they they hear about this this.

1599
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, they've heard about the bumping up. They hear

1600
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: about oh, man, you know he's been he's been doing

1601
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: like you know, a revise bumping up. It's a little

1602
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: different he's got you know, like they take what we said, Oh,

1603
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: he's got to be the b pattern and that's what

1604
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to do. I'm doing that. And they go

1605
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: out into the timber with that only thing in their minds,

1606
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: and they they avoid the obvious like I've I've seen

1607
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: it happen. I've seen guys so so infatuated with signing

1608
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: a bed or killing a deer over its bed that

1609
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: they overlook like just like low hanging fruit. And that

1610
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: right there is what is what really drives me next

1611
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: because and and here's the perfect example. I was hunting

1612
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, um with a guy never

1613
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: hunted before, and you know, I was seeing a buck

1614
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: that I knew was coming out to a certain certain

1615
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: egg field and feeding, and you know, it was just

1616
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: like one of those and he kept saying, why don't

1617
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: you going to kill that buck. Why why aren't you

1618
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: going in there? Or I'm like, I'm not gonna go

1619
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: in there, or why an't you gonna find his bed?

1620
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: Why didn't he dead yet? Why? And I'm like, dude,

1621
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go look up his betting routine. And

1622
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: if I don't, if I can kill him on his

1623
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: field edge, like he's literally coming out to this field

1624
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: as soon as I get that west wind, I'm slipping

1625
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: in there. Like you know, it's one of those things

1626
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: where where so many guys then they get they get

1627
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: so infatuated with the one way of doing things. You

1628
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: gotta keep your eyes open. You've gotta be open to

1629
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: all aspects of it. That if I'm looking for a

1630
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: bed and I find a hot trail, I'll stop. Oh

1631
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: you know, I was looking for a bed, but ship,

1632
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: this is a hot trail. Let me let me jump

1633
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: up here and see what happens. Like I'm not gonna

1634
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: go start just going nuts if I don't have to.

1635
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: So um, I don't know if that makes sense, but um,

1636
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: you know. And then to that point, I think that

1637
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: deer died three days later on a field edge, and

1638
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't kill a whole lot of deer on the field, yes,

1639
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: and I'd rather kill him in the woods. But like what,

1640
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's no need to make things harder than

1641
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: they you know, then they need to be same thing

1642
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: with scrapes. It's like, okay, well you know you gotta

1643
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: you gotta scrape. It's getting pounded. Let's see you walk

1644
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: by every day. That thing is getting pounded every day,

1645
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: and it's just I mean, it's just getting hammered. Put

1646
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: the damn scrape. You know, some people, like God, they

1647
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: got like this this um, this this thought. Why can't

1648
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: you know? Some they they think it's too easy. They're like, oh,

1649
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: well I can't. You're not gonna come back a scrape

1650
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: and shoot in daylight hours or you know, you hear

1651
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: you hear that the old fable tale of not fable tale,

1652
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: but you hear the tales of like guys shooting bucks

1653
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: right and next to right by the parking lots and

1654
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: puppic crowns. Sometimes people are so don't get me wrong, Yeah,

1655
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: the deeper you can get them, farther away from people,

1656
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: you can get as good. But some people overlooked at

1657
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: that completely obviously obvious sign that is right at the

1658
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: parking area you know. I mean, it's just want to

1659
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: and they see it and they sink in their head

1660
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: it can't be, it can't be it's right next to

1661
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: the parking area. Well, I promise you it is like that.

1662
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: These design ain't lying you. It's not fake, you know.

1663
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,959
Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah, that maybe a long winded explanation

1664
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: of it. But what overlooking the habits, I'd say, yeah, man,

1665
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: that's such a great point, and it's it's you kind

1666
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: of brought up something that that I'm sure we're all

1667
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: guilty of just some degree, which is right. You hear,

1668
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: you hear these kind of rules sometimes in the hunting world,

1669
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: like don't hunt scrapes because of whatever. You know, lots

1670
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: of people have shown research that it's it's just nighttime

1671
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: activity now or so much of it's nightimiative versay, don't

1672
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: hunt too close to parking lots or um. Yeah, there's

1673
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: all these kind of maxims out there that many times

1674
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: maybe you're true, and so they get talked about a

1675
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: lot and then that though, becomes like a rule that

1676
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: some people have, and it's it becomes a real negative.

1677
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: If you're never willing to color outside the lines. Sometimes

1678
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: if you're not willing to see what you said like

1679
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: the obvious sometimes or try different things, or be willing

1680
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: to be flexible you know you're gonna miss out. And uh,

1681
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 1: you know. One example of that, and this is something

1682
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: that I, um, I fall into this myself quite a bit,

1683
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: is the the popular notion that hunting mornings in the

1684
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: early season or in the late season is something that's

1685
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe not recommended in a lot of cases. And so

1686
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: I've been someone who said that often, at least in

1687
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: my scenarios. I found, like, man, it seems really risky

1688
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times to go in there in certain situations,

1689
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: and maybe the upside isn't as high. So because of that,

1690
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't hunt a ton of warnings now, I know,

1691
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: though there's certainly scenarios where it can be great. I

1692
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: know you're a guy who does really like those early

1693
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: season mornings. Um, can you kind of walk us through

1694
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: why that works for you and why that's one of

1695
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: those rules that maybe shouldn't be so set in stone always?

1696
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: You know? I don't. I don't know, and I think, um,

1697
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: I know, I've talked about this a couple of times,

1698
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: but I do not know where the know she came from?

1699
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,919
Speaker 1: So I think maybe a combination of you know that

1700
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: that quote unquote lull of movement um or um you know,

1701
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: temperature or whatever it may be, that it's keeping people

1702
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 1: out of the you know, from hunting in the mornings.

1703
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that stems with people are

1704
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: so conditioned to hunt a certain area and have a

1705
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: certain image in their head, like there's there's so much like,

1706
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, everybody wants to shoot that that that buck,

1707
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, coming diagonal into a freaking decoy on a

1708
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: field age like, and they they have they have all

1709
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: these visions that I think they see through mainstream hunting today,

1710
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: that that they picture in their head and they want

1711
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: that to be right, you know. So you know, guys,

1712
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, this gets built up and they have an

1713
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: idea of how they'd like to kill something or at

1714
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: least what they see on TV, whether it be through

1715
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, on this luscious big food plot you know, um,

1716
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,839
Speaker 1: which is deer coming right in or or you know whatever,

1717
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: and they fail to realize, like you know, you have

1718
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: to um, it's a different like when these deer are

1719
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: killed in the morning, at least when I killed these

1720
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: deer in the morning in October, I'm these aren't. These

1721
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: aren't great hunts that like you you you'd go home

1722
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: and tell your buddies about. They're not like, dude, I've

1723
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: seen you know, I've seen three bucks and they were sparring.

1724
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: Or I've seen I've seen twenty deer today and you know,

1725
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: and and it's um uh you know, or or I

1726
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: was loaded, I was covered up all more. And these

1727
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: are these are specific little missions to kill a specific

1728
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: deer most of the time, or like with me, a

1729
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of these times, like when I kill in the

1730
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: morning in October, like that's the only that's the only

1731
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: deer I see. And and you know, it's it comes

1732
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: down to one of those things that you know, I've

1733
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: said for a long time that I'm I'm sure I

1734
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: probably you know, um picked up from somewhere, but like, well,

1735
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: you want to stay here and have a good time,

1736
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: or do you want to kill it, dear? And if

1737
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: you really ask yourselves that, you know you're gonna see more, dear,

1738
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have quote unquote better hunts in the

1739
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: evening in October on food sources or whatever the hell

1740
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: you're doing. But you know, I mean, I think they're

1741
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna have more it's gonna be a shittier hunt, but

1742
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna have more success. So I think a lot

1743
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: of that is is a is a way people envision

1744
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: themselves hunting, and not a lot of people like there's

1745
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: also that fear of getting into the woods because now

1746
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably not gonna have all that much

1747
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: luck early season October on the field legs in the morning, like,

1748
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: that's probably not where you want to be, you know, Uh,

1749
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: you want to be more so where they're bed and

1750
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know, figure out that pattern and be

1751
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: closer in on them and get them, you know, coming

1752
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: in there. So I think it's just it comes down

1753
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: to it's a different it's a completely different hunt, a

1754
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: different style. Um, you know altogether that makes sense. I

1755
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm can in circles or what. No,

1756
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: it makes sense. UM. Now I want to lay out

1757
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: a scenario for you and you tell me if if Um,

1758
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. I guess. What I'm trying to say here

1759
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: is I'm guessing that that morning hunt approach in October

1760
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: is situational. Right. There's certain situations where it could work

1761
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: really well. There's certain situations where maybe it's not as

1762
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: is recommended, and you tell me if this is if

1763
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: you think it's right around. But let's say you hunt

1764
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: just a small property. You only have a twenty acre

1765
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: property of which there's just one good betting area of

1766
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: timber on it, and on any given year, you'll be

1767
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: lucky if there's one mature buck, and that one mature

1768
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: buck usually like you don't get a whole lot of

1769
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: chances of that deer because you're in Michigan and there's

1770
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: hunting all around you, and if you if you bump

1771
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: that deer a few times once or twice, you're probably

1772
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: not gonna see him moving Daylyn. That's maybe what you

1773
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: know about your area. Now, if that is your scenario,

1774
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: would you agree that pushing in there for morning hunt

1775
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: into that one betting area you can hunt in early

1776
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: October that might be pretty high risk. And maybe in

1777
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: that scenario you would say, well, maybe you try something different,

1778
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: because if you go in there in the morning and

1779
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't give you a shot, but you have to

1780
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: walk out of there and blow it out or whatever

1781
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: it might be, is that kind of scen there and

1782
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: maybe hey, it's it's too risky, you shouldn't do it,

1783
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Versus maybe you got a big property with a bunch

1784
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: of different betting areas. You could hunt in the mornings

1785
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't go good today, you could try

1786
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: again somewhere else tomorrow. Is that make sense? You know?

1787
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: So so there's yeah, there's a I would come at

1788
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: this from so many different angles. I would. I would literally,

1789
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, depending on the property, depending on you know,

1790
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: I think you said you have neighbors are hunting right

1791
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: now when you're hunting, that's what you're saying. I would

1792
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: saying that example, a lot of you know, depending on

1793
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: depending on perimeter pressure. You know what this means, you know,

1794
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: I would take I would really start diving into this.

1795
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, do I have a history with this deer? Like,

1796
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: is you know, do I know where he's feeding? Am

1797
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: I seeing him a day? Like? Do I got pictures

1798
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: of him? Is he a deer that I think he's there?

1799
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Do I know he's there? Like? Is he like if

1800
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: I know? If I know that deer is bettered in that?

1801
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: You know, So this is your forty you should know

1802
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: this thing that's the back of your hand. I would

1803
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: think from shed hunting and all this stuff, if you

1804
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,839
Speaker 1: have that idea where that deer is on that forty, Um,

1805
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: and you know he's better there, and you like maybe

1806
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: he's going out to the I don't know where he's

1807
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: coming out, but um, you know that's where I would calculate. Okay,

1808
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: well here's a chance, like you know, is this dear

1809
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: a world record? Like where I you know, like where

1810
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: like and if I bump him and he runs, like

1811
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I know, there's a guy in a tree stand, you know,

1812
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: freaking I could see him in my com binos, you

1813
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: know that would that would definitely have a have a factor.

1814
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: I've always been the kind of guy that like, you know,

1815
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: if well, if I bump them, I'll find another deer.

1816
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: You know, I'll go, I'll go, you know, hunt a

1817
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: different deer or whatever or if or if if something

1818
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: something happens with that. So I think that would take

1819
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: a play. But where I think guys have the most

1820
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: benefits if they like, if this is your forty and

1821
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: you know this thing like the back of your hand,

1822
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: like and you know where that dear is betted, You'll

1823
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: probably have a really a good idea of like, oh

1824
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: ship I could get in this story and I could

1825
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,799
Speaker 1: be invincible, you know, I mean, how is your access

1826
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: if you can't if you got to run through the

1827
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 1: betting area or uh, you know, access will play a

1828
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: big factor. Um, I do not think I would be

1829
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: able to resist going in and hunting that deer in

1830
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: the morning. I think I would do that immediately and

1831
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I and I think, you know, eight times out of

1832
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: those time, I'd probably come out with that deer. You know.

1833
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 1: But there's also the you know, the factor, well is

1834
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: he coming? Like one of your food plots, like is

1835
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: he coming? Are you seeing him come out? Is he traveling?

1836
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: Like can Like it's one of those things like avoiding obvious,

1837
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: like yeah, you might know he's better there, but are

1838
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: you seeing him in the evening? Like is he is

1839
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: he just making it out there at last light? To

1840
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: where like you think that a couple more days or

1841
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: a week you might kill him, you know, because you

1842
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: also got to think too, my biggest concern, Like in

1843
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: that situation, I think I'd probably be on that beer.

1844
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, I would probably hunt him a couple I

1845
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: would hunt him in the evenings a few times if

1846
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: I was as scared to get in there and if

1847
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 1: nothing was happening, I would go to the deer instantly

1848
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: because I've lost out on so many deer that when

1849
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: they start getting squarely laid out over and when the

1850
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: ruck kicks in, somebody else is gonna shoot that deer

1851
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: anyway that deer is gonna be So if you only

1852
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: got forty eight years, you better get your get the

1853
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: let out and go after that sucker because the odds

1854
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: and him making it through a freaking rut and then

1855
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: through a gun season and then like you know, I

1856
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: feel like you're being patient and holding your vices are

1857
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: they're they're completely like you know, if you if you

1858
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: want to talk to me in a gambler man, you're

1859
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 1: more likely to succeed going in there, and maybe you

1860
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: might bump that buck out of there, but he's better

1861
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 1: there for a reason, You're more likely to succeed by

1862
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope then, you know, betting on that thing

1863
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 1: making the entire season. Yeah, yeah, that's that's something that

1864
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 1: I always, uh have been reminding myself of, is that

1865
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: fact that they're betting somewhere for a reason. Like these

1866
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: deer they're not they're on a whim. They found a

1867
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: safe spot and even if you muck it up once,

1868
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: like they're gonna want to go back to it. Yeah,

1869
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: if you go in there every day for ten straight days,

1870
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: that he might be screwing things exactly. You I've seen

1871
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: people just butcher betting areas, like they're literally in there

1872
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: trying and no fault to them. Stuff they're trying to learn.

1873
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 1: So they go in there all the time. Well, that's

1874
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: not the best. You know that, that's not what you

1875
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: want to be doing, because because by us, for sure,

1876
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna you're gonna run into that situation

1877
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: where you know, if that deer is getting pressured that much,

1878
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna you know, it's just it's just the

1879
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: fact of it. You know, whether that be two times

1880
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: for that deer or six times, I could you know,

1881
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will depend on how long he's been there.

1882
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times there're pecking order two,

1883
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: so who are like you know, some of them you

1884
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: don't want to move because that's there, that's their zone,

1885
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Like they've earned that zone, they've worked for it, you know. Um,

1886
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: and if they move something else, a lot of times

1887
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: come in you know. And that's so I mean, there's

1888
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: a lot of different different ways to look at that too.

1889
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: But you mentioned you mentioned a couple of times that

1890
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: you would go in there and hunt that morning. You

1891
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: know right away you get in there instantly and take

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Speaker 1: a stab at him. Do you mean that literally or

1893
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: do you mean like the first time conditions are right?

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01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking is, are there any certain

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Speaker 1: types of weather triggers or something or moon or whatever

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01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: that makes you think, Okay, this is the best possible

1897
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: day to hunt one of these mornings set ups? You know.

1898
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of guys talk about red

1899
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: moon times or hunting cold fronts, different things like that.

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Speaker 1: Do you wait for anything like that to give you

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Speaker 1: a little better chance or do you just go? Um?

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Speaker 1: I pretty much just I would pretty much go and

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Speaker 1: I would just make sure that when I went in

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Speaker 1: there to make the uh, like, I would make sure

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Speaker 1: my ASSISI situation was right for for that time specifically. Now,

1906
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: if you got you know to that point, you know,

1907
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 1: if you've got a really on moon face coming up

1908
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: and you've got a nice food plot that you think

1909
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: this there is gonna be you know, that's more so

1910
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: like where okay, I'd probably time that, like if if

1911
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of those you know, you know,

1912
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Speaker 1: red moon times where you think that bluff is gonna

1913
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Speaker 1: be feeding being your food plotter in a nearby you know,

1914
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 1: as point in like three days. Well, I, you know,

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01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go in there, and I'd

1916
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Speaker 1: probably give that a shot, you know, if it all

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Speaker 1: depended it on you know, what information I had to me,

1918
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: but not that I would wait for an optimal time

1919
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Speaker 1: to go in there. I would just make sure that

1920
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Speaker 1: when I went in there, I was completely right for

1921
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: you know now like you know that comes back you

1922
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 1: know on the property. I look at it and know

1923
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: where he's betting. It's just completely ship with these wins.

1924
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: I obviously wouldn't go in there then when I had

1925
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Speaker 1: these funds coming up for if I had any start

1926
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: of east Head, maybe make sure I had a you know,

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01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the best win for that spot. And it really makes

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01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 1: it a lot a lot better and you can really

1929
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 1: think about it more when you know the area, Like

1930
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: if you've literally set boots on where you think he's

1931
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: bett it, well, then you can really forming at a

1932
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: game plan, and you might if you think he's so

1933
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, dead's hed in that area, you can you know,

1934
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: you can wait a couple days like okay, it says

1935
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be chilly this morning. I'll probably be a

1936
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: stew a little long and owning I'm gonna slip back there,

1937
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: and I wanna you know, I want to. I'll catch

1938
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: him a little later coming to come into it better.

1939
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would definitely, um, you know, used to

1940
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: is like that to my advantage. But I also like

1941
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 1: to never let that stop me from hunting. Like what

1942
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: I know, that's when it comes back to avoiding the obvious.

1943
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 1: I do believe in the moon phases, right, So I

1944
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: mean I've watched the moon. I take that into account.

1945
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: In no way or shape or form do I let

1946
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: that dictate, you know, everything about my hunt. I have

1947
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: killed great care on field as just when that moon

1948
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: tastes is seeing you know, to be in any it's

1949
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that time. So it's just you know, in vice versa,

1950
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: it's I take it into account. You know, I'm taking

1951
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: account thing. Okay, if you're gonna be more like cakes

1952
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: to be feeding at the time, you know however that

1953
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: works to take you pull out whatever it is, make him,

1954
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, more like that as a whole. Nothing beats

1955
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: that time. So it's like that, you know that that

1956
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 1: signs there and what you know, it goes into the

1957
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: moon fays Well, don't tell yourself. Oh well the moon

1958
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: phase says this, So I can't be hunting this right now.

1959
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: That's that's just I don't. I don't. I don't get

1960
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, I think that that makes a

1961
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: lot of sense. It can be a helpful you could

1962
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: be a helpful tool. But if you just like anything

1963
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of things we talked about, right,

1964
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different kind of tips out there

1965
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: or things that usually this is the case, but if

1966
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: you ever get too deep into any one of these,

1967
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: you start missing out on the obvious things that are

1968
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: all around you that you need to be taking advantage of. Exactly.

1969
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: There's just there's so many things that like, this guy

1970
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: might kill there, and he's a freaking and he's a

1971
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: he's a moon he's a moon advocate through and through.

1972
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: This guy might kill him, you know, all these big

1973
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 1: gear and he's a you know, betting area Taylor and

1974
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: two and through. And then you know you got an

1975
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 1: other guy was there that only hunts field there, just

1976
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 1: only hunts about a southeast wind and only not someone

1977
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: goddamn you know, a certain rare flowers, blood, you know,

1978
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 1: all those things might be great, but it's like we're

1979
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: a guy. I think he has to take those things in,

1980
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, and and figure out, um, you know, figure

1981
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: out for yourself. You know. I was in what its helps,

1982
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 1: but it's it's you know, just like to that point.

1983
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: But you know I have, um, everybody's got thrown smile.

1984
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: But to be open and to and to be able

1985
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: to adapt, um is where you're ultimately going to be

1986
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: the it's gonna be the best hunter you can be.

1987
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: And and I think experiencing those things, like you know,

1988
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: you're better for him. Like you know, you go through

1989
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: those you're constantly learning, you know, and you've got to

1990
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: keep a constant open mind. If I see something like

1991
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: it against everything that we've been talking about, like on

1992
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: this podcast next year, I will completely throw everything out

1993
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 1: of the window and go into what I'm seeing, what

1994
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: is true, what's real right for me? So I think

1995
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that's a um, you know, if if there's something where

1996
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: I think because I've I've been in that situation before too,

1997
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: like i've uh, you know, a big deer that I

1998
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: killed a couple of years ago. Like I was started

1999
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: to seeing silence, right on this road and I'm like,

2000
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: and I really see it, and I'm like, you know what?

2001
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: And I was thinking like, could that be here? Could

2002
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: that be this? You know, there's this big Bucks cup

2003
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: and hunting. No, No, he wouldn't be right here. He's

2004
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,600
Speaker 1: a smart for that. He wouldn't be right here, you know,

2005
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 1: And until I slapped myself in the face and was like,

2006
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 1: who says He's like, well, you know, maybe that's the

2007
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 1: smartest before. You know, maybe this is where he and

2008
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: I mounted it. You know, I heard it that and

2009
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: then four days later I ended up telling it here.

2010
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that you've got to

2011
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: pull yourself out of that that, you know, making assumptions

2012
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: and you know, pigeonal and everything. Yeah. Yeah. If there's

2013
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: anything I've learned from, you know, running this podcast over

2014
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 1: the years, it's that there are so many different ways

2015
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: to do this thing, and you gotta stay open to

2016
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: new ideas and try things out and learn as you go.

2017
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 1: If you get stuck in a rut, I mean, that's

2018
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: one of the worst things you can do. Yeah. Yeah,

2019
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: So we're running up on time here, I'm gonna if

2020
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't catch myself here, I'll sit here talking to

2021
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: me for six hours and your day is gonna shot. Um,

2022
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: So I want to just wrap it up with with

2023
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: a couple quick final questions. If you had to do

2024
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: a really quick like self analysis and think through what

2025
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: your biggest weakness is as a hunter, because we've talked

2026
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 1: about a lot of things that make you successful, why

2027
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,560
Speaker 1: you've done so so well in the woods. But is

2028
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: there anything that you could pick out that might be

2029
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: a weakness of yours that you maybe its hurt you

2030
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: a little bit at some point as a as a hunter.

2031
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, as a hunter, um not I think I

2032
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 1: get so I get so um caught up in there's

2033
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: there's probably two things that come that come around right

2034
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: away and when one would be um falling back into that.

2035
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: I think it's natural for everybody, and it's a big

2036
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 1: thing I preach because I know it's one of my weaknesses.

2037
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: And that's why I try and tell anybody who's interested

2038
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: in listening to not do it. And that's dwelling on

2039
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: the past. I there's so many times where I getting

2040
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: getting situations and I have that I have that corn

2041
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: and tore I should go in there and set up

2042
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 1: should dick me twenty minutes. It ends up taking me

2043
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Did I start to replay all highlight reels

2044
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 1: in my head and think about that slimmer that I killed,

2045
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,719
Speaker 1: that that tree and oh that tree I set up before,

2046
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: it's a regular rock on the trim thing like it's

2047
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 1: right in the area. And I, like I said, I

2048
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: keep myselfing us again and I'm like, what are you doing?

2049
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, like, that's not the trade this year. The

2050
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: trade this year is X trays over, Like, don't be lazy.

2051
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: He's trying something that tree to feed over and get

2052
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 1: down and and that I think that is a big

2053
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 1: I think, um, that's probably one day thing. And like

2054
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 1: I said, I try and um, I considered a weakness that,

2055
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: but but it's constant in my head. So it's something

2056
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: I personally I still hell for because you know, I

2057
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: think it's natural though you know, you know, thinking about

2058
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: things like that. The other thing would be, um, um,

2059
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: probably what I'm gonna focus on now, you know, more

2060
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 1: so spending more time on the archery end of things

2061
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 1: and the honey of things. Like it's it's weird, you know,

2062
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: you talk to different people and you see like where

2063
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 1: you know, you can see where their time is spent,

2064
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: and like, I'm so so much into the hunting and

2065
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: the chess game and the figure out that I'll I'll

2066
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: consistently create opportunities for myself the entire year. But like,

2067
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: like you know, it's like, dang, you know, I should

2068
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 1: have been shooting more like I didn't. You know, I

2069
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: didn't follow with that shot. I didn't follow through with

2070
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: that shot. So I you know, so I missed him,

2071
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, or you know a lot of that kind

2072
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think maybe, you know, on the

2073
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 1: back end of things, you know, one of my biggest

2074
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: weakness is not looking at um all the aspects of it,

2075
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, like like just archery, Like dude, man, you know,

2076
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,600
Speaker 1: get tech, you with your you know, get familiar with

2077
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: your boat a little bit, you know, get to know this,

2078
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: get to know that, you know, do a little bit more.

2079
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm so like just hunt, hunt, hunt, scout, scout scout,

2080
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: like you know, and and it's um, you know, not

2081
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: not a place I really put a lot of my time. Well, uh,

2082
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: that was gonna be. The next question is what's one

2083
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: thing you might do differently this year? So you got

2084
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: that one covered, which is interestingly one of the things

2085
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing too. So um yea man, Cody,

2086
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: this is uh, this has been fun, really interesting stuff.

2087
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed your perspective, I think, uh, I think a

2088
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of it falls in line with a lot of

2089
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: things I've been thinking about. So this is great to

2090
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: hear from you. If if folks wanna I want to

2091
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: learn more about what you guys got going on with

2092
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 1: the gear and everything, you want to give us that

2093
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: website address for war time, Uh, it's www dot long

2094
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Wolf Custom Gear dot com. Um. And you know we're

2095
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: also on on Facebook and Instagram. We just we just

2096
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 1: started those pages as well, so I mean we're gonna

2097
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 1: be uh posting stuff on there. Um And yeah, I

2098
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: mean that's that's pretty much will be the main avenue

2099
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: for the products. Um and uh well also to my

2100
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, my personal Instagram page. I'd like to like

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Speaker 1: I'll be putting out some inside scoops and some of

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Speaker 1: the products and release dates down there as well, so

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Speaker 1: that might be good avenue for people to get would

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Speaker 1: check as well. Perfect well, I'll definitely make sure we've

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Speaker 1: got those links up there. And man, I just want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for taking the time to chat This

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Speaker 1: is a lot of fun, Cody appreciate it. Yeah, thanks

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Speaker 1: thanks again, Mark, Man, I just you know, that's what

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Speaker 1: that's what we do. Man. We love talking about this stuff,

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Speaker 1: so it's always fun. It is a good time, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. Well, until next time, Cody, good luck with

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Speaker 1: your offseason prep and hopefully shoot some slammers. Is here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you too, Mark, and that's gonna do it. So

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Speaker 1: I'll just leave you with a few quick reminders. Um

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Speaker 1: as usual, if you haven't left a review on iTunes,

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Speaker 1: it would be hugely appreciated. It doesn't take very long

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Speaker 1: and helps a ton. Also, if you want to see

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Speaker 1: more of what I've got going on and more of

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Speaker 1: the wire, dhunt content over on the Wire Dun Instagram

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Speaker 1: and posting a lot more now doing actually daily Instagram stories.

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Speaker 1: They're sharing different information, sharing what's going on in my life,

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Speaker 1: some things I'm learning about. It might be interested to

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Speaker 1: see what's going on there, So heading over to Instagram

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Speaker 1: and follow Wire to Hunt and otherwise I just want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you, thank you for tuning in, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your support, Hurt, and until next time, stay

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