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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, September seventeenth, two twenty season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number twenty five. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star. Got David Amber also joining us here at

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Speaker 1: the Star, and we got forty five minutes of Cowboys

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Speaker 1: talk for you guys. Hopefully you will enjoy this next

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes. We got a lot of stuff to

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Speaker 1: get into. We're gonna talk about some personnel things. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Cowboys offense, uh, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into a little conversation with Bucky Brooks a little

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Speaker 1: later in the show. He's going to break down the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcon defense versus the Cowboys offense. First, let's jump

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Speaker 1: though into a little talk around injuries and personnel. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Lewis returned to practice yesterday. He's been out for a while.

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Speaker 1: That means at this point, all players that are on

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Speaker 1: the active roster are practicing looking good heading into the

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Speaker 1: game against the Atlanta Falcons. How much does Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 1: provide for this team? I guess coming back based upon

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Speaker 1: what you guys saw during training camp. Nick, Well, he's

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Speaker 1: the best slot guy, I think, and that's big in

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Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna have to take on whoever's lining

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Speaker 1: I think the best playmaker on the defense, and he

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Speaker 1: anybody else. Not a lot, but it's more than the

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Speaker 1: more depth at a position that's already kind of lacking. Dave,

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Speaker 1: little bit less this week. I guess would be Daryl Worley. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but Worley got a lot of them. Wasn't a great

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Speaker 1: Darian Thompson plays he good enough? I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's proved that he was, Dave, were you about to

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Speaker 1: of whether or not something's worth it. Like Amari Cooper's

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Speaker 1: across the line. You have to give so much, you know,

429
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: looks towards him and and you know, everything his way.

430
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: You've got to figure out where he is, and so

431
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to give help to everybody, especially

432
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: when you need it for for a guy like Aaron Donald.

433
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: So but Atlanta will bring, you know, their share pass rushers.

434
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: I think it makes sure if Terren Steele can kind

435
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: of hold up his own on the right side, I

436
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: think they should be pretty good. But that's that's a

437
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: big if because he's still a young guy. Amber Man.

438
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: I am still heartbroken at the fact that Blake Jarwin

439
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: is out because I think not only is he good

440
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: at catching balls and was having a great camp blah

441
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: blah blah, but everything that I saw from him at

442
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: training camp, I was hoping he would be able to

443
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: help a lot more blocking and helping the offense in

444
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: that way as well. He had done a pretty good

445
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: job at that. So it sucks that at least don't

446
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't see any current tight end being able to

447
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: help with the blocking at that level that I was

448
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: expecting Blake Jarwin to do. But all you know, I

449
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: think that everything that I saw from Steele honestly wasn't terrible.

450
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: I feel okay at having him there the position. At

451
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: least we're the next few what two more games before

452
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: we get Collinsy. We were talking about the whole season.

453
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: That's a different story, But as of now and for

454
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: this upcoming game, I think that the Cowboys can't handle that. Dave.

455
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: It's funny because I mean, obviously the Falcons don't have

456
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: a defender on Aaron Donald's caliber. Nobody does. But Grady

457
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 1: Jarrett's no slouch. He is a very good interior pass rusher.

458
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: So you know, Connor Williams and Joe Looney are probably

459
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna have their hands full again. And I think maybe

460
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: this is debatable, maybe this is a question for Bucky.

461
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: I think I like the pair of Tack McKinley and

462
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler more than the guys that were edge rushing

463
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: for the Rams. You know, we talked about how we

464
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: didn't think that Rams edge rushers were all that special

465
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: and it was really more about Donald. So lesser interior

466
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: still good though, and then better edge rushers, I would guess,

467
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, it's something to be worried about.

468
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: I'll just say, you know, I guess the silver lining

469
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: is Russell Wilson might have gotten sacked three times, it

470
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't stop him from just slicing and dicing that secondary, so, uh,

471
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully I think a heavier emphasis on play

472
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: action maybe and getting Dak moving. It seems like, I

473
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: know he scrambled a little bit, but that that bootleg

474
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: element of his game that we've seen so much over

475
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: the years didn't really seem like it was a thing

476
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: last week, and maybe that would maybe that would be

477
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: a good idea to kind of mitigate the fact that

478
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele is out there. Yeah, I think I agree

479
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: with you, Dave that if you look across this Atlanta

480
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: defensive front, I think they got more horses than the

481
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: Rams do. I think this is going to be a

482
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: classic case of the deciding do you want the one

483
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: guy that can wreck everything and then everybody else kind

484
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: of feeds off of that, or having several guys who

485
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: all at any given moment can wreck right, And so

486
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: I think that's where what you're facing this week is

487
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: you got three guys then I think are a legitimate

488
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: good NFL pass rushers that can get generate some pressure.

489
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: That's going to be a lane for the Cowboys offensive line.

490
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: I think trying to match up and not necessarily being

491
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: able to focus just on one guy, but now having

492
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: a number of guys that can be a problem for

493
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: them and even given time. Let's go ahead and move

494
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: on to the next question I have for you guys

495
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: going back to last season, how what do you think

496
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is doing as your play caller? And if

497
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: you had one thing that you would like to see

498
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: him do more or do less, what would it be.

499
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna start first with you, Nick Um. I think

500
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: he's done okay. You know, kind of liked to grade him.

501
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: I would say like eight and eight kind of was

502
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: what he did last year, kind of like right at

503
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: the middle. He did great against teams that weren't very good.

504
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: He struggled against I mean they didn't they didn't do

505
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: anything against teams that were really pretty good on defense.

506
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: So for a first year coordinator, you know, I thought

507
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: he did okay, But I mean he's got to be better.

508
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: What I think he needs to be more dynamic with

509
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: is just things that you haven't seen. I mean, you know,

510
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I always think it's kind of weird.

511
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: Is a guy who's kind of his personality is kind

512
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: of dry. Is he going to be dynamic as a

513
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: play caller? I mean, I don't know. Is that does

514
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: that happen. I mean, the best coach in NFL history

515
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: is about as blah as you can get from a

516
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: personality standpoint. He seems to always pull something out of

517
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: his act that keeps his team among the best in

518
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, So, I don't know, I don't know

519
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: if that necessarily correlates for me I'm talking about. I

520
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I just want to see more

521
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: cool stuff. I'm with you on that. Amber Well. I

522
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: guess he deserves credit for having the number one offense

523
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: last year, so the kudos to him on his first

524
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: year of coaching as a coordinator. But for this year,

525
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: I think, um, I agree with Nick be just be

526
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: more dynamic on offense, cream or plays. I remember him

527
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: talking a lot about these wrinkles, and I'm still waiting

528
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: to see more ankles, because when you talk about wrinkles,

529
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: that's more than two little things little stripes. I was

530
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: expecting a lot more. But I do have a question.

531
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: And I know that a lot of fans are talking

532
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: about the play caller and Mike McCarthy versus Kellen Moore

533
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: and who should be the play caller? And I remember

534
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was very clear about his impressions on Kellen

535
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: Moore and saying and making sure that, Okay, this is

536
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: the play caller. I don't want to step on his toes.

537
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: I want to let him do his thing. But what's

538
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: how difficult is it on game day to just kind

539
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: of have a combination of both working side by side

540
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: together and making decisions together. I know that in real time,

541
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's difficult to do, but do you see

542
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: that often in the NFL? Like, just how do you

543
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: work together between having maybe two play callers? I mean,

544
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have You're not gonna have two guys

545
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: calling the offense because I think there's too much potential

546
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: for wires to be crossed. But to paraphrase Jason Garrett,

547
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's an ongoing collective deal tip. I mean,

548
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: that's that's what those headsets are for. You know, Kellen

549
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Moore comes up with what he wants and Mike McCarthy's

550
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: obviously going to have final say. I would be very

551
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: surprised if Kellen Moore just has carte blanche like obviously

552
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has the power to override that or offer

553
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: his input. I you know, I really think we need

554
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: to run here. I don't know how I feel about that.

555
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: So that's an every snap deal, and I think it's

556
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: very rare for it not to be that way, Like

557
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, like Sean Payton with the Saints, probably Sean McVay.

558
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: Head coaches who call the offense, it's a little bit different,

559
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: But in a situation like that, I think it's you know,

560
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: it's collaboration basically on every snap of the game. Yeah,

561
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: you know. I'll be interested to see as this season

562
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: goes on. If this offense is again and I don't

563
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: think the offense struggled, I wouldn't put it in the category.

564
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: If they struggled last week, I will say they didn't

565
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: live up to what I think their potential is. And

566
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: I do wonder if that becomes a theme for this

567
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: offense where they're not quite as good as we think

568
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: they should be. I do wonder at some point if

569
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy decides that he wants to be more involved

570
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: in the play calling or actually take the play calling.

571
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: By the way, there have been some really good play

572
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: callers in the NFL that have gotten those duties taken

573
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: from them. And if by the head coach. I remember

574
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Sean Payton being here and Bill Parcels taking those responsibilities

575
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: from him, and he went on to be Sean Payton, right,

576
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: So it happens, and I don't think that you know, again,

577
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is very very early in his NFL coaching career.

578
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: This is a very extremely inexperienced coordinator in the NFL.

579
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: He didn't really do have a much of a coaching

580
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: career before he became a coordinator. And so I think,

581
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you factor all that in, you got

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: a guy like Mike McCarthy, and that is extremely experienced

583
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: as a head coach, extremely experienced as a play caller.

584
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I do wonder at some point, if he's not getting

585
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: the results that he wants, does Mike McCarthy take over

586
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: and kind of impose his will bit more or take

587
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: those responsibilities back. He probably does that more during the

588
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Pope ahead, guys, but no, go ahead. I just hope,

589
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope they open it up a little

590
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: bit more before Mike McCarthy makes the situation, makes a

591
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: decision like that, because I mean, I agree with you, Derek.

592
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they struggled, you know, Dak almost throw

593
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: for three hundred and Zeke had one hundred and thirty

594
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and all purpose and two touchdowns. They just couldn't convert

595
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: on third down. I think that's that's the real difference.

596
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: But to Nick's point, like they just looked kind of boring,

597
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: they looked very similar to what they looked like last year.

598
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm stealing these stats from Seth Walder on Twitter, but

599
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: he charted every team in the NFL in Week one

600
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: and how often they put guys in motion and how

601
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: often they had guys in motion at the snap of

602
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: the ball. The Cowboys only had a guy in motion

603
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: at the snap of the ball on four point three

604
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: percent of their snaps, and for reference, the Rams did

605
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: it thirty four percent of the time. A third of

606
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: the time the Rams had a receiver crossing the formation

607
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: or a guy creating misdirection when they snapped the ball.

608
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: It puts so much stress on a defense, and the

609
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Cowboys are just like, no, we don't really want to

610
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: do that. They also, I think I think dak only

611
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: did play action ten times on thirty nine attempts, and

612
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: when you have a guy like Zeke Elliott, you should

613
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: probably be doing it more than that, in my opinion,

614
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: So I don't think you have to tweak a whole

615
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: lot to make this thing a little bit more dynamic.

616
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: And I hope that they give Kellen Moore a chance

617
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: to do some of that, but you know, before they

618
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: make some kind of decision about changing the play caller.

619
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: I do think the assumption there with what you were saying, Dave,

620
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: is that that somebody is holding him back. It could

621
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: be one of situations where he needs to let himself

622
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: be freer, let himself do more things. Maybe that's not

623
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: something that he's being held from. Maybe he's just not

624
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: being as creative or really pushing on those kinds of

625
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: things to give this offense a little more of a

626
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: dynamic feel. And but did you have something you want

627
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: throwing there? I was going to mention, you know, it

628
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: says a lot looking at the coaching staff that Mike

629
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: McCarthy put together, The fact that he brought in so

630
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: many experienced guys, which is something that wasn't usual to

631
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: see here with the Cowboys. Usually you see a lot

632
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: of guys that don't that end up having coaching jobs

633
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: with not much experience behind them, and the fact that

634
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: he decided to keep Kellen Moore as the offensive coordinator.

635
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I think that it says a lot. He must see

636
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: something in him and fully trust his abilities to coach.

637
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: So I guess I mean the him with so much

638
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: experience that he has Mike McCarthy, the fact that he

639
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: sees this young guy and is giving him that kind

640
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: of power. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the

641
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: doubt and just hope that it works out to his advantage.

642
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point, Amber, because the fact

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Speaker 1: all right, we are joined now. We are joined now

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Speaker 1: by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network. Thanks Bucky for joining us. Today.

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Speaker 1: We're talking Atlanta Falcons defense versus the Cowboys. Offense, and

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Speaker 1: as I do every day when we have you on,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the big picture question. Talk to

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Speaker 1: me about their greatest strength and then their greatest weakness

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00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: as a defensive unit. I think the greatest strength defensively

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Speaker 1: is just their overall team speed. This is a fast defense.

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Speaker 1: They put a premier on making sure that they've collected

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Speaker 1: a ton of what they call urgent athletes. They have

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Speaker 1: guys that can go from side on the sideline and

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Speaker 1: can play very explosive players. And I think it starts

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Speaker 1: upfront with Grady Jarrett. They've complimented him by going and

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Speaker 1: get Dante Fowler. So upfront they have guys that can

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Speaker 1: really get after attack. McKinley has kind of come on board,

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Speaker 1: even though they didn't pick up his fifth year option,

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Speaker 1: played like a madman a week ago, and so upfront

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Speaker 1: they're talented. Dion Jones is the guy that controls them

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Speaker 1: in the middle, and then Kean O'Neil is a guy

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Speaker 1: that is they're enforcing down the middle. So like most

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Speaker 1: defenses that are good, they're strong right down the middle.

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Speaker 1: They just have to do a good job of getting

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Speaker 1: good play on the corners. Now, looking at the defense,

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Fulton's defense and looking at some of what

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys were able to do last week. Which area

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Speaker 1: do you expect the Cowboys to be able to exploit

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Speaker 1: the most in this game? The running game or the

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Speaker 1: passing game? When after that you're gonna look at the

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Speaker 1: yards and see how effishing Russell Wilson was thirty one

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Speaker 1: for thirty five had three hundred and fifty yards and

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Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys should air it out. But really,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys on offense have to think about protecting their defense.

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Speaker 1: This may be a game where Ezekiel Elliott plays a

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Speaker 1: huge role as they continue to try and keep the

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Speaker 1: ball away from the Falcons. Ezekiel Elliott has to get

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Speaker 1: twenty five or more touches. They have to put him

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Speaker 1: over the one hundred yard mark. If they are running

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Speaker 1: the ball efficiently and effectively, that is the best way.

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Speaker 1: Because the problems come when you expose that offensive line

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Speaker 1: to this front four. You can't put them in long

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Speaker 1: yard of situations and allow the Falcons to tee off

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Speaker 1: on this offensive line. Bucky, I don't know the roster

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Speaker 1: for the Falcons like I should. Is Adrian Claiborne on

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Speaker 1: the team? No? Man, Adrian Claiborne. I think he's still around.

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Speaker 1: I think the big thing has been Dante foul attat MCKI.

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Speaker 1: They upgraded there by d N Jones being a major

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Speaker 1: factor there, and then the Nickel package that they have.

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Speaker 1: They play a five safety front. They drop Kean O'Neil

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Speaker 1: down in the box. So this is a team that

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Speaker 1: is a little different in terms of unorthodox four two five,

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Speaker 1: but they can get after you because they have a

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Speaker 1: ton of athletes. Bucky, we actually talked about this in

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Speaker 1: the which No, Nick, Adrian Clayborne is not there anymore.

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Speaker 1: I see what you did there. Yeah, No, it was

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Speaker 1: definitely the joke of Nick to day. Would you would

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Speaker 1: you agree that, I mean, maybe they're not all pros,

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Speaker 1: but this is a better edge rushing situation than they

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Speaker 1: saw last week. Would you agree? By far, by far,

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Speaker 1: a much more complete and more explosive set of edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: They can come at you in waves. Dante Fowler is

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Speaker 1: a guy that certainly has the power and explosiveness to

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Speaker 1: give you problems. Had a half sack a week ago.

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Speaker 1: And then Tad McKinley is a high mortor athletic player,

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Speaker 1: and so we saw the way that they isolated Terry

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Speaker 1: Steele last week. They were able to take a wide

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Speaker 1: nine alignment, get them one on one, and they did

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Speaker 1: some things to be able to keep the Cowboys from

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Speaker 1: helping out. I think you're going to see some of

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Speaker 1: those situations where they can try and use their speed

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Speaker 1: to really create problems in that matchup. Speaking of that

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Speaker 1: pass rush, last week, we saw Terren Steele was a

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Speaker 1: starting right tackle for the Cowboys, got his first start,

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Speaker 1: mixed reviews, I would assume at best with regards to

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Speaker 1: how he played. But that being said, what did you

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Speaker 1: see from him? And how concerned would you be if

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Speaker 1: you were the Cowboys going into this week with him

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Speaker 1: being again their right tackle up against these pass rushings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest. Up front, they got whooped

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different people. Aaron Donald had his way

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Speaker 1: with the interior three. Terry Steele did a pretty solid

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Speaker 1: job until you got into the fourth quarter. The issue

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Speaker 1: that you're always going to have with an undrafted free

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Speaker 1: agent is trying to get acclimated to the speed of

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Speaker 1: the pass rushes, and when the Cowboys win long yarded

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Speaker 1: situations third and seven or more is going to be

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Speaker 1: difficult and tough for him. The best thing that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys can do is they have to win first down.

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Speaker 1: They have to win their early daw So Dak has

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Speaker 1: to work with third and fours, third and five where

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00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: it's a mix down where you can run or pass.

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Speaker 1: But if you get these obvious passing nows, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter who is playing tackle. These athletes that Atlanta has,

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Speaker 1: they can give anybody problems in these one on one

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Speaker 1: situations when they know they only have to worry about

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Speaker 1: a quarterback to wing the ball. Now, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of talk about the Cowboys wide receiver. Obviously, that trio

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Speaker 1: that we keep expecting big things from last week didn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily go as everyone expected, and even Michael Gallup talked

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Speaker 1: recently to the media and he said he's not really

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Speaker 1: concerned about it after looking at the tape. He expect

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Speaker 1: them to be able to do what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: When you look at matchups, specifically looking at the receivers,

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Speaker 1: how does that what does that look like with the

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Speaker 1: Falcons secondary, well, I mean it's favorable match up for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Isaiah Oliver and aj Turell had up and

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Speaker 1: down moments against the Seahawks. A week ago. They're young,

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Speaker 1: they're inexperience, and so you would like to think that

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup and Mary Cooper would be able to have

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Speaker 1: their way in one on one situations. This is a

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Speaker 1: defense that is similar to some of the things that

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Speaker 1: Chris Rashard wanted to do last year. A lot of

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Speaker 1: one on one man coverage, single hot safety looks. So

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Speaker 1: they're going to be opportunities. The key will be can

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Speaker 1: they win against press coverage and more importantly, can they

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Speaker 1: win quick enough so Dak Prescott can get the ball

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Speaker 1: to them before the pass fresk gets home and knocks

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Speaker 1: him around. Oh you said something. You said something about

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys trying to get Zeke, you know, get him

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Speaker 1: going and maybe keep the Falcons off the field. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that that actually goes against what the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are trying to do with building the offense with those

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Speaker 1: three receivers. I mean, sometimes you try to play someone

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Speaker 1: else's game, it doesn't always work. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: there's a way they can mix that where because maybe

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys need to be the team the Falcons want

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Speaker 1: to keep off the field, you know, does that limit

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Speaker 1: them with the receivers they have to play that kind

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Speaker 1: of style. Well, yeah, because you saw that strategy, Employee

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Speaker 1: that we could go by the Rams. The Rams made

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Speaker 1: a concerted effort to keep the ball. I want to

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Speaker 1: say the time the possession was over thirty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: The best way to slow down the Cowboys is to

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Speaker 1: not let the Cowboys offense get onto the field. So

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Speaker 1: you could see that the rub with both of these teams.

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00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons aren't great on defense, and so they

847
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Speaker 1: have to figure out how to protect their defense. So

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Speaker 1: do they play keep away with their offense. For the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: maybe it is come out and be very aggressive in

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Speaker 1: the first quarter, throw the ball all over the yard,

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Speaker 1: and then in the second quarters and later in the game,

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Speaker 1: get the ball to Zeke Elliott. You have to be

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Speaker 1: committed because if you're going to play that style, it

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Speaker 1: puts the pressure on Dak and the wide receivers. They

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Speaker 1: got to win their matchups early because what you don't

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Speaker 1: want to happen is you can't have a series of

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Speaker 1: three and outs early where you give the Atlanta Falcons

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Speaker 1: back to back possessions where they can attack the Cowboys defense.

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Speaker 1: Before we let you go, but I have one more

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Speaker 1: question for you. Talking about those wide receivers at Amber

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Speaker 1: mentioned for the Cowboys and how they match up against

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Speaker 1: Atlanta's secondary. I want to go back to the Seattle

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Speaker 1: game against Atlanta. What kinds of pass routes did you

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Speaker 1: see that those receivers had the most success running against

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Speaker 1: that defensive secondary. You know, it's funny because people are

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Speaker 1: gonna look at the numbers and then think that Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson threw the ball all over the yard outside early

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Speaker 1: in the game, a lot of swing routes to the

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Speaker 1: running backs. They stretched him from sidel on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: did a really good job of getting the ball in

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Speaker 1: the hands. And Chris Carson later in the game in

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Speaker 1: the second half, that's when they attack down the field

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Speaker 1: fourth and five, toy hit DK Metcalf on a go route.

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Speaker 1: I think for the Cowboys, Zeke Elliott has to be

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Speaker 1: involved early in the pass game. You gotta take the

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Speaker 1: check down. You have to be patient enough to force

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Speaker 1: the dbs to come up. Then you take your shots.

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott has to push you down the field, but

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Speaker 1: he has to be selective. A week ago was different

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Speaker 1: because the Rams took away the deep ball. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Atlanta is going to play it because that's

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Speaker 1: typically not in their scheme repertoire to play a lot

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Speaker 1: of two deep coverage. All right, Rocky, Bucky, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us. We'll see you next week. I guess

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Speaker 1: real quick, before we let you go, you want to

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Speaker 1: give us a kind of what you think is gonna

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Speaker 1: happen this week. A prediction for the game. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of pressures on the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have to win this. They can't fall behind two. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so I think you'll see them play with a little

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Speaker 1: more urgency and desperation. It's on the offense. The offense

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Speaker 1: has to show up each and every week because there's

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Speaker 1: a strength of the team. I think you see a

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Speaker 1: much better effort. I would expect him to play very

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Speaker 1: very well against the defensive struggle. All right, man, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. We're gonna be back next week. Actually, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Bucky will be back next week. We're gonna be back

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at eleven thirty. We're gonna get you guys ready

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Speaker 1: for the game. We'll give you our predictions for the

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Speaker 1: game till then. For nickiep and Dave Hellman, Ambergarcia, I

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Speaker 1: am Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on

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