Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Elon Musk joked quote unquote in
Speaker 1: a church about someone killing the vice president. By the way,
Speaker 1: not the first time he's done this. We have such
Speaker 1: a great show for you today. Former Senate staffer and
Speaker 1: he really knows what's going on. Adam Jendilson stops by
Speaker 1: to talk about the state of the race.
Speaker 2: Then entrepreneur Mark.
Speaker 1: Cuban will talk to us about why Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: just wrong about America's economy.
Speaker 2: But first the news.
Speaker 3: So, Mollie, one of the things that you and I
Speaker 3: know that a lot of people kind of miss the
Speaker 3: news is that if there's one thing you could do,
Speaker 3: you could always bet that you will age and to
Speaker 3: be write about something Trump's flag about. And I'm going
Speaker 3: to shock you all the things we said in Project
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five documentary we made continue to age like
Speaker 3: fine wine into being more and more true. What are
Speaker 3: you seeing here with his ties to Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So Jesse and I and really it was Jesse who
Speaker 1: was the driving engine behind this and really got me
Speaker 1: to grow up and do a really good job. Remember
Speaker 1: all the time when you were like your roomors do echoey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you. But Jesse did this incredible
Speaker 1: documentary which I basically just narrated on Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: You can find it on YouTube. And we did it
Speaker 1: because we were worried people weren't talking about it enough.
Speaker 1: We did it this summer in July, and I don't
Speaker 1: think we were the causality. But luckily a lot of
Speaker 1: people have started talking about it. That said, putting together,
Speaker 1: threading the needle to show that it was Trump who
Speaker 1: had these people who worked in his administration, and then
Speaker 1: later wrote Project twenty twenty five that wasn't as commonly known,
Speaker 1: especially because Trump immediately as Project twenty twenty five got
Speaker 1: more famous, it got more unpopular because a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff and it is real Christo fascist stuff, and
Speaker 1: then he disavowed it, quote unquote. But the Yek Times
Speaker 1: is a really great, really beautiful, very well laid out
Speaker 1: piece as they are able to do, which sort of
Speaker 1: breaks down who from Trump world wrote what in Project
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: And none of this should be a surprise.
Speaker 1: None of it's a surprise to us probably none of
Speaker 1: it's a surprised to you, but large portions of the
Speaker 1: mandate for leadership, the driving document behind Project twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five were written by longtime Trump loyalists who were advisors
Speaker 1: during Trump's first term. Okay, so let's just break it
Speaker 1: down for a minute. Eighteen of the forty authors and
Speaker 1: editors worked on the documents worked on the documents served
Speaker 1: in the first Trump administration. That's eighteen out of forty.
Speaker 1: Of the two hundred and sixty seven additional contributors to
Speaker 1: the Project twenty twenty five playbook, at least one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty four also worked in mister Trump's administration or
Speaker 1: on his campaign or transition teams. Twelve worked both in
Speaker 1: mister Trump's first administration and on one of his transition
Speaker 1: or campaign teams. Anyway, the point is twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: which was thought up by the Heritage Foundation, has a
Speaker 1: lot of ties to Trump, and it really was written
Speaker 1: as a playbook for if Trump could get back in office.
Speaker 1: So if you don't like Project twenty twenty five and
Speaker 1: you don't like the eyes to ears behind it, you're
Speaker 1: probably not gonna like Donald Trump's second term.
Speaker 3: Smiley I have been tuning into John Stewart's Monday night
Speaker 3: daily shows because I've been finding them fun. But something
Speaker 3: that I though you have a little umbrage with is uh.
Speaker 3: In the opening segment, he made a lot of jokes
Speaker 3: of saying like please come last, stop going near the
Speaker 3: Cheney's and then he turned to Governor Walls and said,
Speaker 3: you know, what the hell are you doing around these people?
Speaker 3: Gave him a light scolding for bringing them around. What
Speaker 3: are you seeing here?
Speaker 1: As someone who has generationally my grandfather hated the Cheneye.
Speaker 1: My mother thought did Cheney was pretty much the evilist
Speaker 1: person to walk the face of the earth, I want
Speaker 1: to make a case for the Cheneye here. Okay, the
Speaker 1: reason why Harris is campaigning with Liz Cheney is not
Speaker 1: because she likes Liz Cheney. It's not because she wants
Speaker 1: to enact Liz Cheney's policies. She's doing it because Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is not normal. Donald Trump is an autocrat. Liz
Speaker 1: Cheney is, and Liz Cheney is campaigning with Harris because
Speaker 1: she wants to signal that too. This is not about policy,
Speaker 1: This is not about beliefs. This is about stopping a
Speaker 1: singularly destructive force in American politics.
Speaker 2: And while it's.
Speaker 1: Annoying to many of us who don't believe in the
Speaker 1: Cheney zeitgeist, who don't believe in Cheney's policies, all of
Speaker 1: us see, or at least I see, what this signals.
Speaker 1: And it signals that American democracy is way more precious
Speaker 1: than any of the sort of larger policy agenda. And
Speaker 1: the reason that these two unlikely seed mates are touring.
Speaker 2: Is because of that.
Speaker 1: You really want to appeal to these people. You want
Speaker 1: to give them permission, You want to say, look, you know,
Speaker 1: you may have never voted Republican before. Because for Harris
Speaker 1: to win this thing, Republican women need to step up.
Speaker 1: And we know from twenty twenty two that Republican women
Speaker 1: do not like the Dobbs decision. They are largely pro choice.
Speaker 1: They don't like the idea that they can't get medical
Speaker 1: care in the first trimester, that they can't take medicine
Speaker 1: if they are having a miscarriage. They don't like a
Speaker 1: lot of the Project twenty twenty five agenda, and yet
Speaker 1: their whole lives they have voted Republican. So Liz Cheney
Speaker 1: is a symbol right the idea here is not that
Speaker 1: Liz Cheney is where the Democratic Party is headed. The
Speaker 1: idea here is that Liz Cheney can say to these
Speaker 1: women it's okay to vote for Harris. And I think
Speaker 1: it's powerful, and I think that the idea that this
Speaker 1: has anything to do with anything else is really misguided.
Speaker 1: This is the hill I'm happy to die on Somali.
Speaker 3: A lot of fundraising news with the PC filings coming out.
Speaker 3: What are you seeing here?
Speaker 1: This is like just what you think it's going to be,
Speaker 1: right Donald Trump. I mean, I guess maybe it's not
Speaker 1: in a way because Donald Trump did so well in
Speaker 1: his first run with small dollar donors that maybe it's
Speaker 1: a little bit surprising. But this second run is largely
Speaker 1: funded by billionaires and trillion you know, billionaires, people like
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, people like Maryon Adelson. Basically, the transactional nature
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump has gotten these billionaires very excited. Right,
Speaker 1: So Mary Adelson got a lot of stuff that she
Speaker 1: and Sheldon had wanted in the first Trump Admin. They
Speaker 1: are hoping that in the second Trump Admin he's dead,
Speaker 1: so just her, she is hoping the second Trump Admin.
Speaker 1: Who even knows what she wants for Israel? But something crazy.
Speaker 1: And then you've got Elon Musk yesterday the New York
Speaker 1: Times that are really really important piece about how Elon
Speaker 1: Musk was fighting with every different federal regulatory agency and
Speaker 1: how he was being fined by different agencies. And remember,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk has planted himself in Pennsylvania in the hopes
Speaker 1: of helping Trump win, which we'll see how that works.
Speaker 1: He clearly has decided that this could end well for him.
Speaker 1: So we see that Donald Trump is getting this last cycle.
Speaker 1: He's raised half a billion dollars and donors giving one
Speaker 1: million or more or super packs have given about half
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: So, Maley, if we think back to four billion years
Speaker 3: ago with Kamala Harris whooped Donald Trump's ass during the
Speaker 3: presidential debate, one of the many shocking moments that just
Speaker 3: kind of disappeared the next day was that he really
Speaker 3: said some nasty things about the Exonerated five formerly known
Speaker 3: as the Central Park Five. What do you see here?
Speaker 1: We had a member of the exonerated five on this podcast,
Speaker 1: Usef Salam, and he's a city councilman in Harlem now,
Speaker 1: which is exciting. They're all in their fifties now, remember
Speaker 1: their own lives were destroyed by this experience, and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump took out a full page ad saying that they
Speaker 1: should get the death penalty. He has continued to defame them.
Speaker 1: You're going to be shocked to hear it, because that's
Speaker 1: what he does. And now the five men have filed
Speaker 1: the lawsuit in Pennsylvania suing the former president, accusing him
Speaker 1: of false and defamatory statements he made during the presidential
Speaker 1: debate in September where he continued where he continued to
Speaker 1: defame the exonerated five. So we'll see what happens, but
Speaker 1: certainly looks like we're gonna see more of this story.
Speaker 1: Adam Gentlelsen is a former Senate staffer for Harry Reid
Speaker 1: and John Fetterman.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: I don't actually know if you've ever been on this
Speaker 1: particular podcast, Adam, though I was with you before, yes,
Speaker 1: in the olden days, before you went back into staff
Speaker 1: or land. So I want you to give our listeners
Speaker 1: just a little biography of your political history, if that's okay.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 5: Well, I've been doing this about twenty years now, and
Speaker 5: we're so old.
Speaker 4: I know I know what that got.
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, I'm forty six. When you said that I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, twenty years ago.
Speaker 5: Right, well, you know, like green Day albums are being reissued, right, real, real,
Speaker 5: reality check.
Speaker 2: I am was a band we listened to Yes.
Speaker 5: Continue exactly, yes, now these are classic rock backs right.
Speaker 5: So anyway, so I you know, in my twenties, I
Speaker 5: worked with a bunch of different campaigns, a couple of
Speaker 5: presidential campaigns, some other campaigns, and then so of worked.
Speaker 2: Non Mike do Caucus. No, I'm just kidding, We're.
Speaker 4: Not quite but you know, yes, don Erry.
Speaker 5: I think at this point is about you know, same
Speaker 5: reference points for a lot of people who are listening
Speaker 5: to this. And then eventual on my way to the Senate,
Speaker 5: where I worked for the Democratic leader Harry Reid for
Speaker 5: him for about eight years and was mostly doing communications.
Speaker 5: It was his books for a while, rose to be
Speaker 5: whif a staff, learned a lot about the Senate, learned
Speaker 5: a lot about how politics works, and then left that
Speaker 5: back when Trump was elected was the same time when
Speaker 5: Reid retired. So went back to the nonprofit world. Decided
Speaker 5: to use my experience to the Senate to write a
Speaker 5: book about the Senate called Philibuster. Yeah, to make the
Speaker 5: case for why the philibuster is bad and needs to
Speaker 5: be reformed. And then was sort of happily living the
Speaker 5: nonprofit life. And then I hooked up with the Betterment
Speaker 5: Campaign in Pennsylvania in twenty twenty two and then was
Speaker 5: asked to come in and be as chief of staff.
Speaker 5: So did that until very recently left the Senate in June,
Speaker 5: and I'm now a floating Democratic strategist doing consulting for
Speaker 5: various projects to try to advance the cause of good
Speaker 5: here in this world.
Speaker 1: So let's talk first about Harry Raid, because he sort
Speaker 1: of held up as one of the masters of the Senate,
Speaker 1: like Lyndon Johnson level Senate organizing whipping.
Speaker 2: He created a machine in Nevada.
Speaker 1: So can you sort of just give us a little
Speaker 1: bit of a thought of what sort of where he
Speaker 1: is right now and what you think sort of his
Speaker 1: take on this is and your take on this and
Speaker 1: having worked in an organization, you know, having sort of
Speaker 1: done for him and been able to sort of move
Speaker 1: that along.
Speaker 5: Well, I think if you were here with us today,
Speaker 5: I mean, he would be unsurprised that things were are
Speaker 5: as close as they are. He would be unsurprised that
Speaker 5: it's coming down to a very close race in Nevada
Speaker 5: because he you mentioned the read machine. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is this sort of legendary organization that he spent the
Speaker 5: better part of twenty years building up as sort of
Speaker 5: a union of organized labor, state party and align nonprofit
Speaker 5: groups that work year in and year out to do
Speaker 5: things like voter registration, field organizing, driving message selecting high quality,
Speaker 5: successful electable candidates, and working hand in glove with organized labor.
Speaker 5: And the reason he built that is interesting because I
Speaker 5: think it sort of showed his premonition of what was
Speaker 5: to come. You know, back in two thousand and four,
Speaker 5: the Democratics kind of leader was a guy named Tom
Speaker 5: Dashel from South Dakota, and in what was considered a
Speaker 5: major violation of norms at the time, Republicans campaigned against
Speaker 5: Dashel on a national level. Republicans were coming in from
Speaker 5: out of state campaign against him, and they succeeded in
Speaker 5: knocking him off. And so when Reid became leader, he
Speaker 5: knew he succeeded Dashel, and he knew that he was
Speaker 5: going to have to fight not just the normal forces
Speaker 5: that Senators were used to fighting, but he knew the
Speaker 5: national Party was going to come after him and make
Speaker 5: him a target, and so he spent enormous amounts of
Speaker 5: time building this machine, and I think that was a
Speaker 5: precursor to the partisan politics that lay ahead of us.
Speaker 5: So he would not be surprised that things have gotten
Speaker 5: as polarized as they are. You know, a lot of
Speaker 5: his set of leadership was premised on the idea that
Speaker 5: Republicans were acting in bad faith and people he had
Speaker 5: previously worked with and found able to work across the
Speaker 5: aisle on legislation, with all of a sudden, we're responding
Speaker 5: to forces like the Tea Party and going all out
Speaker 5: and obstructing anything Democrats wanted to do, regardless of the merits.
Speaker 5: So he was sort of an early adapter, and I
Speaker 5: think a visionary in a lot of ways at seeing
Speaker 5: the partisan political environment that was to come and building
Speaker 5: structures that could advance democratic interests and fight back against
Speaker 5: Republicans in the face of those gathering forces.
Speaker 1: God, that's so interesting and I think, yeah, that definitely
Speaker 1: tracks with my sense.
Speaker 2: So you went to work for Fetterman.
Speaker 1: That was a race that even though twenty two was
Speaker 1: a lower turnout because it's a midterm, it does speak
Speaker 1: you know, Pennsylvania has become the star of the selection, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if you can sort of take your
Speaker 1: experience from twenty twenty two and sort of broaden it
Speaker 1: out to talk about where we are in Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, I think I see a lot of similarities,
Speaker 5: hopefully good ones, as well as difficult ones in Pennsylvania
Speaker 5: this cycle as last cycle. I mean, look, the thing
Speaker 5: about Pennsylvania is it's one of the states that most
Speaker 5: closely mirrors the nation. It's demographics breakdown in ways that
Speaker 5: are very similar to the overall national demographics of the country.
Speaker 5: It's got really dense urban areas in Philadelphia and the
Speaker 5: Coller Counties. It's got very populous suburbs around Philadelphia, and
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh is a big population center as well. In the
Speaker 5: western part of the state, and then in between and
Speaker 5: especially in the west, you've.
Speaker 4: Got a ton of rural areas.
Speaker 5: You've got a ton of farmland, lots of different industries,
Speaker 5: and lots of towns that have been pretty hard hit
Speaker 5: places where industry has left, steel towns that there are
Speaker 5: no more so, you know, you really the rust belt
Speaker 5: starts in western Pennsylvania, and so it's a microcossum as
Speaker 5: a state of the entire nation. And I think what
Speaker 5: you're seeing there, I believe, is a similar strategy by
Speaker 5: Democrats to win as the one Federman used to win
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, where they are definitely focusing on
Speaker 5: driving up turnout in the big urban areas, and that's
Speaker 5: always very important, but they're also focusing on the suburbs
Speaker 5: and the caller counties where there are a lot of
Speaker 5: people who might have voted Republican in previous elections, but
Speaker 5: who are alienated from Trump by his style, by his
Speaker 5: disrespect for democracy, his authoritarian tendencies, and also by his
Speaker 5: stance on abortion and his opposition to abortion and his
Speaker 5: is desired to take health care away from people. And
Speaker 5: then the third thing that's part of the strategy is
Speaker 5: focusing on the rural counties and not letting Republicans run
Speaker 5: up the score. You know, Democrats are not going to
Speaker 5: win a lot of these rural counties or a lot
Speaker 5: of these forgotten communities, but to win the state overall,
Speaker 5: it's really important to hold down Republicans' margins of victory
Speaker 5: in those rural counties, especially in the western part of
Speaker 5: the state. And if you've been watching Vice President Harris's
Speaker 5: travel schedule and Governor Wallace's travel schedule, they've been spending
Speaker 5: a lot of time in that western part of the state.
Speaker 5: Not because they think they're gonna win out right there,
Speaker 5: because holding down those margins will help them win the
Speaker 5: state overall. Ultimately, I think that that is going to succeed.
Speaker 1: So I wrote this piece for Fanny Fair just like
Speaker 1: a day ago, about how twenty twenty four is not
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen though, were all still so super traumatized. And
Speaker 1: one of the things I went back and looked at
Speaker 1: Clinton's travel schedule. You can say a lot of things
Speaker 1: when you're talking, you can criticize her for whatever, but
Speaker 1: if you look at the actual dates, it's really anemic. Right,
Speaker 1: Like she spent twelve days in Florida. She didn't go
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. Now, obviously there were reasons they thought that
Speaker 1: her going to Wisconsin would not necessarily help her, but
Speaker 1: like even three days in Pennsylvania, you know, it just
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of time. And I talked to a
Speaker 1: congress person who said to me that, in fact, Harris
Speaker 1: is doing the exact opposite of what Clinton did, and
Speaker 1: that every time they're trying to make plans, she's coming
Speaker 1: back to the state. He's in Pennsylvania, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if you can sort of talk us through that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that they are taking nothing for granted.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, look, the Clinton campaign was very tough.
Speaker 5: There was a misread of the data, and there was
Speaker 5: a level of cocky nests going into the final weeks that,
Speaker 5: as we all know, proved unfounded. So you know, the
Speaker 5: Hairs campaign is not taking that approach. They are being
Speaker 5: extremely smart with the candidate's time. They are going to
Speaker 5: all the places that are must have so she's not
Speaker 5: spending a lot of time in nice to have. So
Speaker 5: I think I was reading an article just yesterday on
Speaker 5: I think it was October twenty fourth, in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5: So even later in a game that now, Clinton went
Speaker 5: to Arizona trying to put that on the map, which
Speaker 5: she ended up losing, you know, by a lot. So
Speaker 5: Hair's campaign is not doing that. She is in Texas today,
Speaker 5: but that is for a different reason. She's in Texas
Speaker 5: for a very smart reason, not because they think they
Speaker 5: can win it, but because it is a state with
Speaker 5: obviously very draconian abortion laws, and that is one of
Speaker 5: their strongest closing messages.
Speaker 4: And so she's using.
Speaker 5: That appearance to generate what we in the business called
Speaker 5: earned media, but regular people call clips and news coverage
Speaker 5: about abortion. She's raising the salience of this critical issue
Speaker 5: by going there. So it's a really really smart play
Speaker 5: because you know, so you have to keep generating material
Speaker 5: for stories, you can keep talking about abortion, and you
Speaker 5: can put it in paid media.
Speaker 4: All of that is smart.
Speaker 5: But going to Texas, highlighting the laws there, talking with
Speaker 5: real people, generates a different level of coverage that drives
Speaker 5: one of their strongest closing messages. So I think they're
Speaker 5: being really really smart about how they use the candidate's
Speaker 5: time in these closing days, and ultimately I think that's
Speaker 5: what's going to deliver the election there.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I want you to talk
Speaker 1: about is that Elon Musk has planted himself in the
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania and is now doling out million dollar checks,
Speaker 1: maybe because it's Elon Musk, maybe not for people who
Speaker 1: sign a petition saying they agree with the First and
Speaker 1: Second Amendment and are registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Do you think that a South African billionaire like Elon
Speaker 1: Musk will help Trump in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: We live in this era where it's like you never
Speaker 5: want to say something that strikes you is totally off
Speaker 5: and weird. It's going to end up playing that way
Speaker 5: with the broader electorate because it's been really hard to
Speaker 5: read the way the electric reacts to things the last cycles.
Speaker 5: But having said that caveat, I will go out on
Speaker 5: a limb and say, I do not think this is
Speaker 5: going to help Trump. I think that they've sort of
Speaker 5: over orked the dude bro messaging a little bit. And
Speaker 5: I want to be precise here because I do think
Speaker 5: that if there will be an enormous gender gap, I
Speaker 5: think that Trump will run up the score with men,
Speaker 5: and particularly with young men. But the problem is a
Speaker 5: lot of the messaging that he's using to try to
Speaker 5: run up a score is having you know, everything has
Speaker 5: it as an equal opposite reaction, right, basic laws of physics.
Speaker 5: I think here the equal and opposite reaction is it's
Speaker 5: turning off a huge number of women and men who
Speaker 5: aren't into that version of masculinity. And so I think
Speaker 5: when you look, when I come back to the collar
Speaker 5: counties around Philadelphia, right, and the suburbs there. And I
Speaker 5: think about the people in the suburbs who are potentially
Speaker 5: very moderate, maybe voted for some Democrats, maybe voted for
Speaker 5: some Republicans in their lives, and when they see a
Speaker 5: clown like Elon doing what he's doing, that just adds
Speaker 5: to their sense. If they're undecided at this point, part
Speaker 5: of the reason is that they fear the chaos and
Speaker 5: messiness and disorder of a Trump presidency, and Elon adds
Speaker 5: to the sense that that is what's coming down the
Speaker 5: pike if Trump wins, not to mention that, he's probably
Speaker 5: going to stiff the people that he's promising these checks
Speaker 5: to and it will probably generate a lot of negative
Speaker 5: media in addition to some of the sort of positive
Speaker 5: media around the promise that he hopes it will will generate. So,
Speaker 5: you know, I think on net Elon is a polarizing figure,
Speaker 5: and I think the people who are undecided at this
Speaker 5: late stage aren't looking for more polarization, looking for a
Speaker 5: reason to believe that their lives are going to improve,
Speaker 5: and I don't think Elon delivers that, right, But he.
Speaker 2: Did go to pen so I love that.
Speaker 1: So at this moment, if you're watching this election from
Speaker 1: your living room and absolutely freaking out, as is everyone,
Speaker 1: I know, what would be the things you would sort
Speaker 1: of be looking at to tell you how it's going.
Speaker 5: I think the thing to remember is this is going
Speaker 5: to be a very close race, and we're an all
Speaker 5: likelihood going to go into election day without a clear
Speaker 5: sense of who is going to win. But that's a
Speaker 5: good thing in the sense that two or three months
Speaker 5: ago we were very far behind as Democrat, and you know,
Speaker 5: Harris has put herself in a put in to win,
Speaker 5: and that's in and of itself as a huge improvement.
Speaker 5: She had also improved across the board on really key
Speaker 5: underlying metrics like who people trust to handle the economy,
Speaker 5: who people trust to handle jobs. She's even improved on
Speaker 5: immigration and overall favorability. So she's really done a remarkable
Speaker 5: job at driving up the positives on the issues that
Speaker 5: people are probably going to use when they are late deciders.
Speaker 5: What gives me confidence that even in a very close
Speaker 5: race this is going to tell her way is that
Speaker 5: her coalition is being built on pretty reliable frequent voters,
Speaker 5: and Trump is counting on a historic over performance among
Speaker 5: unreliable voters. He's counting on what we in the political
Speaker 5: science call race depolarization, where democrats historic high performance with
Speaker 5: non white voters is going to break off break his way.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that will happen a little bit because we've
Speaker 5: seen it happen in past election cycles and it definitely
Speaker 5: is this broader trend that that is occurring. But for
Speaker 5: Trump to win, he needs it to happen a lot.
Speaker 5: So I think that's you know, if you ask what
Speaker 5: am I looking at, I'm looking at Harris's performance in
Speaker 5: the suburbs with white college educated voters, and I'm also
Speaker 5: looking at Trump's performance with non college non white voters,
Speaker 5: And if Trump has huge margins with that crowd, then
Speaker 5: he has a decent shot at victory. But if Harris
Speaker 5: has huge margins with the white suburban crowd and the
Speaker 5: college educated crowd in general of all races, then I
Speaker 5: think she's going to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that what you're saying is that relying on
Speaker 1: hyperpensity voters is usually a better bet than relying on
Speaker 1: low propensity voters.
Speaker 5: That's right, Well, I mean, especially because Trump is relying
Speaker 5: on low propensity voters to do something they've never done before,
Speaker 5: and that is break heavily for a Republican candidate. So
Speaker 5: it's betting against history, and it's betting against pretty reliable trends.
Speaker 5: And again he will have He might perform better with
Speaker 5: them than any other recent presidential candidate, but that's not necessarily.
Speaker 4: Enough to win.
Speaker 5: He needs a really significant overperformance with those groups in
Speaker 5: order to deconstruct Democrats winning coalition. And I don't think
Speaker 5: that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really important point.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us, really there's a Senate seat
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, Bob Casey, You know, there are a bunch
Speaker 1: of Senate seats that are like his two right, Rosen
Speaker 1: and Nevada, people who are like really sort of known
Speaker 1: quantities who are defending their seats in states that are unpredictable.
Speaker 1: If you're looking at that map, do you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts you want to add there?
Speaker 4: I feel pretty good about our Senate map.
Speaker 1: Which is amazing considering how bad a map it is,
Speaker 1: the way that incumbency has worked out it is.
Speaker 5: It's a really really challenging map for Democrats. It's one
Speaker 5: of our most challenging maps in several election cycles. Ultimately,
Speaker 5: I think incumbents like Senator Casey, Senator Rosen, Senator Baldwin,
Speaker 5: they have incredibly strong records. They've got not just strong
Speaker 5: legislative records, but electorally, you know, a strong record of
Speaker 5: connecting to the people of their states and representing their
Speaker 5: interests in not necessarily a showy way, but in a
Speaker 5: way that really delivers results. So they've got great records
Speaker 5: to point two, and I think that's going to be
Speaker 5: what carries them over. They've also got, especially in Casey's case,
Speaker 5: of pretty flawed candidated Dan McCormick Republicans. He simply can't
Speaker 5: seem to find a candidate who lives in the comonwealth
Speaker 5: of Pennsylvania to run for Senate there. Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: that's going to be a factor as well. You know,
Speaker 5: it will come down to probably one or two seats
Speaker 5: in Ohio. But I think Senator Brown is looking very strong,
Speaker 5: has run an incredibly strong campaign. Talk about a guy
Speaker 5: who fits the state. I mean, he really really fits
Speaker 5: that state well and has always represented its interests very well.
Speaker 5: If Tester could pull out come from behind victory in Montana,
Speaker 5: it would not be shocking because he's done it before
Speaker 5: and he knows that state incredibly well. But then Democrats
Speaker 5: also have some outside shots at states like Texas and Florida.
Speaker 5: There's Dan Osborne running in Nebraska as an independent, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the last he would couct us with.
Speaker 2: We've had him on the podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's running against the Republicans. So Democrats are
Speaker 5: going to make it really close and then have a
Speaker 5: few shots at getting to the magic number of fifty.
Speaker 5: If this is an election where leaked deciders break Harris's
Speaker 5: way and break democrats way, I think that's going to
Speaker 5: boost these set up races in a really, really important way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Adam.
Speaker 4: You are welcome, Molly, so good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: You are everywhere explaining tariffs. Just explain to me.
Speaker 1: Is it that Donald Trump just fundamentally does not understand
Speaker 1: how tariffs work.
Speaker 4: I think he used to. I think he used to
Speaker 4: have a really good grasp of prey to a certain
Speaker 4: extent in the late nineties and early two thousand and
Speaker 4: I think he just doesn't any longer. And he's more
Speaker 4: salesperson than anything else. And sometimes when you're selling something,
Speaker 4: you get so caught up in what you're saying, then
Speaker 4: you can't go back on it because you said it
Speaker 4: too many times. And I think that's where he is.
Speaker 4: And then I think there's people in you know, the
Speaker 4: Peter Navarro's and the Lighthousers who have kind of explained
Speaker 4: it to him in a way that kind of reinforces
Speaker 4: it so that you know, all those things go. He'll
Speaker 4: talk about one thing and they'll try to do something different.
Speaker 1: Right, It strikes me that there is a kind of
Speaker 1: collective amnesia too. Like one of the things I think
Speaker 1: has made you a very effective messenger here is that
Speaker 1: it feels like Trump can only be debunked by someone
Speaker 1: of sort of equal or greater celebrity status known for
Speaker 1: being and you are actually someone who understands finance.
Speaker 2: But do you see this strange paradox?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, because you know, people know me from
Speaker 4: Shark Tank, and so they me talk about businesses and
Speaker 4: talk to businesses and invest in hundreds of businesses, so
Speaker 4: they know I've been through it. They also know, from
Speaker 4: the most part, I'm an entrepreneur, so I've been through
Speaker 4: the struggles of starting a company with no money. So
Speaker 4: I can relate to people at all level, from people
Speaker 4: who are sleeping on the floor like I did trying
Speaker 4: to start a business, to people who've gotten fired, to
Speaker 4: people who have had success and had excess in their companies.
Speaker 4: And so I've been through all that, so can I
Speaker 4: relate to them? But I can give them specific examples
Speaker 4: to prove that I've been there. That's something that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump can't do because he's never been there.
Speaker 1: So you also actually like live in a red state
Speaker 1: and have been very involved with the MAVs and like
Speaker 1: the sort of larger trajectory of Texas. More broadly too,
Speaker 1: when you talk to people, you know, like the whole
Speaker 1: argument for Trump and more generally the Republican Party is
Speaker 1: this idea that Republicans are very good for business. So
Speaker 1: when you sit down and you say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: these sort of more broad tax cuts actually don't necessarily
Speaker 1: help the economy, and you know, stuff like this sort
Speaker 1: of go through it. This is a question I have
Speaker 1: to ask as like someone who grew up liberal, do
Speaker 1: they ever go oh, yeah, wait a second, you're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course no.
Speaker 4: Look, people look at politics in the state of Texas
Speaker 4: and go these people are crazy. But on the flip side,
Speaker 4: they get out of the way and let business do
Speaker 4: their thing. Now there's a downside that people understand as well. One,
Speaker 4: you know, well there's no income tax, but there's a
Speaker 4: huge property tax. And two there are casualties. There's collateral
Speaker 4: damage with kids and lack of daycare and lack of
Speaker 4: you know, lack of healthcare in many respects, and so
Speaker 4: they understand there's collateral damage. But it's hard to really
Speaker 4: come up with an equilibrium for people of Texas, right
Speaker 4: that they don't look at it that way. It's just
Speaker 4: like the state of Texas gets out of the way.
Speaker 4: I ignore the politics of it all. Just let me
Speaker 4: do my thing. And for most people, that's their life,
Speaker 4: and that's okay. They're not going to be you know,
Speaker 4: people don't want to be deep thinkers about their life.
Speaker 4: They just want to live their lives. And if you're
Speaker 4: in business, Texas is actually is a good state because
Speaker 4: they do get out of the way. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think most people here that I talk to, they
Speaker 4: don't we just dismissed our politicians in this state is crazy, right.
Speaker 1: The problem I think with this sort of modern trump
Speaker 1: Ism is that some elements right, our hands off, but
Speaker 1: things like for example, the abortion ban and it's case
Speaker 1: against metha pristone and their you know, the abortion pills
Speaker 1: and the birth control pills. That's actual like major federal
Speaker 1: intervention at the state level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, but I mean state versus federal two
Speaker 4: different conversations here in the state of texts. You know,
Speaker 4: It's not like people look at Peceessions or Ted Cruise
Speaker 4: and go, Okay, they're doing a great job representing us
Speaker 4: and represent us in Congress. They don't look at that
Speaker 4: at all. It's just like that's why you hear, you know,
Speaker 4: talks of secession. You know. And so when Donald Trump
Speaker 4: starts talking about healthcare and abortion and medications, he just
Speaker 4: goes along with the flow. I don't think really cares
Speaker 4: one way or the other what happens there. He just
Speaker 4: wants to know. Look, he's a salesperson just selling himself,
Speaker 4: and the currency he wants is both, and he will
Speaker 4: say whatever it takes, which is what led to is
Speaker 4: kind of turn around on choice right, on women's right
Speaker 4: to your own reproductive health. He doesn't care. And when
Speaker 4: you don't really care it and you only have one
Speaker 4: of objective, and that is to get boats, you'll say anything,
Speaker 4: and you'll flop in the wind no matter what. And
Speaker 4: it's not that it's bad to change your mind, but
Speaker 4: if you're going to change your mind, have at least
Speaker 4: a reason that you're doing it rather than just panderings
Speaker 4: or boats. And I don't think Donald cares what the
Speaker 4: reason is. He's just going by the polls and what works.
Speaker 1: Elon wants to start a government efficiency agency, which is
Speaker 1: again a government efficiency in itself is the dream.
Speaker 2: Of all of us.
Speaker 1: Right, you like the federal government, you hate the federal government,
Speaker 1: You want it to be efficient. From the reporting about
Speaker 1: Elon's fights with different regulatory agencies, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: his motivation is fully philanthropic.
Speaker 4: No. I don't think he thinks it's stilanthropic at all.
Speaker 4: I don't think Edy Button does. I think everybody realized
Speaker 4: it's self serving, but it's in tune with what Donald
Speaker 4: Trump needs. Elon realizes that in order for him to
Speaker 4: be effective, he's got to play to his strengths and
Speaker 4: what he sells. And Trump realizes in order for Elon
Speaker 4: to help him, he's got to use Elon's grant and
Speaker 4: what Trump sell. This is all salesmanship. But with Elon,
Speaker 4: you know, he's not talking about conflicts of interest. He's
Speaker 4: not talking about subsidies from the government, you know, and saying, well,
Speaker 4: you know, I realize I benefit, so that's going to
Speaker 4: be I know that those programs, so those are going
Speaker 4: to be the first things I got. He doesn't give
Speaker 4: any specifics whatsoever. He's just an industry plan, if you will,
Speaker 4: just for Donald Trump to talk about because it sounds good.
Speaker 1: What do you think the game is with Elon? What
Speaker 1: do you think the ultimate goal here is what's run NASA?
Speaker 4: He wants to go to Mars. If Mark Cuba's ultimate
Speaker 4: goal was to put people on Mars, then what's better
Speaker 4: than running NASA?
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's also AI trying to control AI,
Speaker 1: try and stop government regulation of his many industries.
Speaker 4: Oh, you can't. He already knows you can't stop you
Speaker 4: can't stop.
Speaker 1: AI, right, but I mean can sort of have an
Speaker 1: upper hand when it comes to AI.
Speaker 4: No, you can't control it, you can't regulate it. Some
Speaker 4: kid is going to have access and do something crazy
Speaker 4: that we didn't expect, and that's going to change everything,
Speaker 4: you know. And so I don't think he's worried about
Speaker 4: government regulation of AI at all because he knows that
Speaker 4: there's nothing they do, There's nothing you know, you can put.
Speaker 4: You know, you can put guardrails on it and hope
Speaker 4: they were, but they won't. And then somebody's just going
Speaker 4: to move to the Caymans or something and just have
Speaker 4: access to a you know, put a cloud up there
Speaker 4: with some Nvidia chips that do it down there. Part
Speaker 4: two to that is, you know, the way you build
Speaker 4: models in AI is getting more and more cost efficient
Speaker 4: over time and more powerful over time, so it won't
Speaker 4: cost as much to do the same amount of work.
Speaker 4: So I don't think it's this fear of regulation of
Speaker 4: AI at all, because he knows that's almost impossible.
Speaker 1: And the government has been terrible at regulation, like they
Speaker 1: haven't even regulated Facebook, So why they would regulate AIS mystery?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, and look, you know, the ultimate
Speaker 4: imperative for the United States of America is to win
Speaker 4: the AI race with every other nation. We have to
Speaker 4: win it because whoever wins in AI, and right now
Speaker 4: we're the leader by a long shot. Whoever win in
Speaker 4: AI dominates the economy, dominates, technology, dominates the future, dominates military.
Speaker 4: It's not a zero sum game, but it's pretty damn close.
Speaker 1: So you and I have literally had conversations about AI
Speaker 1: where I don't I just can't understand what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate that I don't understand it and know
Speaker 1: that it's enormous and coming.
Speaker 2: So you've been.
Speaker 1: Out on the road really interesting talking to different groups.
Speaker 1: You did this amazing town hall with Latino men. Can
Speaker 1: you talk about that and what it was like and
Speaker 1: sort of did you feel that you were communicating well?
Speaker 2: And just tell us about that.
Speaker 4: I went to Phoenix and did a group there of
Speaker 4: Latino men, and always it was a bunch of primarily
Speaker 4: Latino but also black business people who were mostly small business.
Speaker 4: Are all small business, and I just talked about why
Speaker 4: kam La Harris is better for business. One. You know,
Speaker 4: there's thirty three million businesses in this company. Ninety nine
Speaker 4: percent of them are small business. Ninety nine percent of
Speaker 4: the entrepreneurs that started those businesses will run those businesses.
Speaker 4: Use something called pass through you know, they're passed through
Speaker 4: company their sole proprietorship sub chapter. Well, you know with
Speaker 4: your businesses right right, I have one. Yeah. So because
Speaker 4: of that, they when Kamala says, if you make four
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars or less, your taxes are not going up.
Speaker 4: And for one hundred million people in this country, your
Speaker 4: taxes are going down. And that applied to all of them,
Speaker 4: you know, because people get kind of confused when Trump
Speaker 4: talks about cutting corporate taxes, that's for sea corps. Those
Speaker 4: are there's only twenty thousand companies with five hundred or
Speaker 4: more employees. That's who he's talking to. For everybody else
Speaker 4: that was in that room who was certain, it was like, no,
Speaker 4: you're you're going to be okay. Your taxes are will
Speaker 4: only go down, they won't go up. And that was
Speaker 4: one thing that was important. The second thing that was inflation.
Speaker 4: And you know, you have to get past the point
Speaker 4: where he says, look the twenty percent increasing in prices
Speaker 4: over the last four years. I might even go in
Speaker 4: cause that we can talk about that for days, but
Speaker 4: we are where we are. The question becomes, you know,
Speaker 4: what do you do to offset those costs? And that's
Speaker 4: where I started talking about healthcare because as small businesses,
Speaker 4: healthcare is terrifying. On one hand, they can't just go
Speaker 4: out there and get a great policy with a low deductible.
Speaker 4: So not only did they as a company have a
Speaker 4: high deductible we're applicable, but their employees have super high deductibles.
Speaker 4: And I explained to them that Kamala Harris has already
Speaker 4: talked about removing or tamping down the pharmacy middleman called
Speaker 4: pharmacy benefit managers, and you know, making that whole pharmaceutical
Speaker 4: industry transparent and from my experiences with costpos Drugs dot Com.
Speaker 4: Then you know, I tell them that's going to cut
Speaker 4: your cost out of pocket for you and your employees
Speaker 4: by twenty to thirty percent, and we'll extend that the
Speaker 4: healthcare over time, and that'll include that'll cut your other
Speaker 4: healthcare costs down by twenty or thirty percent. And then
Speaker 4: I asked them the question how much would that help?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that more than compensates for inflation. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, because they know as small businesses that when
Speaker 4: your employee is sick and they can't afford their deductible
Speaker 4: because the cost of medication is too high, then they
Speaker 4: don't come to work. And if they don't come to work,
Speaker 4: then there's just a cascading list of problems. And so
Speaker 4: I just through the whole idea that healthcare is that
Speaker 4: offset to inflation that everybody's asking about. And Donald Trump
Speaker 4: only knows concepts. He doesn't know healthcare at all.
Speaker 2: He has concepts of a plan.
Speaker 4: Concepts of a plan. Yeah. Then I talked about deportation,
Speaker 4: not about immigration, because you know real Briefly, I said, look,
Speaker 4: I disagree with a lot of the way the administration
Speaker 4: handled immigration. But we are where we are and now
Speaker 4: with the executive order, the numbers are, you know, comparable,
Speaker 4: if not lower than when Trump was in office. Both
Speaker 4: candidates have said that they're going to deport any non
Speaker 4: citizens that have broken the law and violated the law,
Speaker 4: So they're both on equal footing there. But then the
Speaker 4: question becomes what comes next? What happens with deportation? If
Speaker 4: you want a restaurant, what happens now? You know, as
Speaker 4: an employ lawyer, with your I nines, you have to
Speaker 4: say whether somebody is an American citizen, whether they have
Speaker 4: their papers, et cetera, et cetera. But still, what happens
Speaker 4: if Stephen Miller's in charge and all of a sudden
Speaker 4: they're knocking on your doors saying, okay, give me the names, address,
Speaker 4: social Security number, and immigration status for everybody that works
Speaker 4: for you, and we're going to go visit their house
Speaker 4: because we want to know if Brampa is legal ing
Speaker 4: on what happened to your community. Those people are not
Speaker 4: going to be able to come to work. Those people
Speaker 4: that you know, you have worked with for years and
Speaker 4: years and your years that bust their ass, Now all
Speaker 4: of a sudden they're getting dragged out, you know, Elli
Speaker 4: and Gonzales Stock, is that what you want? And just
Speaker 4: see their eyes open up because they hadn't thought about
Speaker 4: it that way that every diverse workforce. Know, somebody who
Speaker 4: you know, whether it's re said, you know, over the
Speaker 4: last ten years or over the last forty years, you know,
Speaker 4: may not have their citizens uh cistenship chat their immigration
Speaker 4: status completely worked out. And I think you know, Donald
Speaker 4: Trump could be knocking on their doors, just dragging them out,
Speaker 4: putting them on the bus and shipping them somewhere, or
Speaker 4: putting them in a camp. Kamala Harris is going to
Speaker 4: have a very transparent process. You might not like everything
Speaker 4: that she says she's going to do. She may be
Speaker 4: struck stricter than you would like, but you're going to
Speaker 4: know exactly what's involved to either change or deal with
Speaker 4: your immigration status. And she's not going to come and
Speaker 4: just close your business down by dragging people out. She's
Speaker 4: going to have, you know, a process in place, which
Speaker 4: would you prefer.
Speaker 1: What Trump is advertising here is mass deportation camps like
Speaker 1: what happened to the Japanese.
Speaker 4: They were terrified, but they don't really look at if
Speaker 4: people hadn't really looked at it as a business issue.
Speaker 4: They looked at it as a social issue. And the
Speaker 4: people if you run a company, if you were in
Speaker 4: a small business you have a diverse workforce. You understand
Speaker 4: completely because you have to file these I nines and
Speaker 4: using Verify and all these different tools to determine their
Speaker 4: immigration status. And if you've worked with somebody long enough,
Speaker 4: you get to know about their family and if your
Speaker 4: employee may be as legal as the day is long
Speaker 4: and have all the right paperwork. But if grandma does it,
Speaker 4: Grandma goes home to the old country, and you don't
Speaker 4: want grandma being dragged out. And then you know, there's
Speaker 4: the sol issues of you know, if a community has
Speaker 4: you know, one hundred grand has tracked out using them
Speaker 4: as an example, that community is not going to be happy.
Speaker 4: I dude knows how they'll respond.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you're talking to people on the ground. Do
Speaker 1: you think that Harris is able to make the case.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she's attracting these sort of the
Speaker 1: voters she needs to get over the finish line?
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, just to be brutally honest, I think
Speaker 4: Joe Biden first was the worst salesperson I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: He tried, but he didn't know how to sell. Kalma's
Speaker 4: not a great salesperson, She's not. She's great at policy,
Speaker 4: she's got GRADYQ, she can communicate with people. What she
Speaker 4: does in rallies is phenomenal, and so that's why I
Speaker 4: think she's just going place to place to place and
Speaker 4: doing rallies. When I've sat down and talked to her
Speaker 4: about business, she's great. She understands, he understands technology. She
Speaker 4: understands the importance of cutting the deficit and using technology
Speaker 4: to approve efficiencies. She knows that she's not at geek,
Speaker 4: but she understands it, and so her getting out there
Speaker 4: where whever she has touch points is always important. But
Speaker 4: she always also knows what she doesn't know, what she's
Speaker 4: not good at, which is why I'm out there, which
Speaker 4: is why Scaramucci is is out there, which is why
Speaker 4: you know Bacari Seller's. So many people are out there
Speaker 4: as surrogates, and I think that really helps. The first gentleman,
Speaker 4: Doug I did in an event with him in Grand Rapids,
Speaker 4: which also had a lot of small businesses but mostly
Speaker 4: black businesses. But he was great too, he's a great surrogate.
Speaker 4: He talks business, he understands business, He's been there, done that,
Speaker 4: and people. He's a great speaker too, so people understand.
Speaker 4: So I definitely feel that there's a great path there.
Speaker 4: I would like to see us, you know, sell better.
Speaker 4: But I also think that's why he's given me basically,
Speaker 4: you know, said just go be you mark, you know,
Speaker 4: go do what you do, be out there talking. You
Speaker 4: understand what I'm trying to accomplish. You understand are you
Speaker 4: know our based realities and the qualities that are important
Speaker 4: to me. And I'm like yes, And so that's you know,
Speaker 4: They're telling me to go out there and I'm talking
Speaker 4: to as many people as I can. But all that
Speaker 4: creates a network effect. It's not just one thing that
Speaker 4: comlict can do or Doug can do. There has to
Speaker 4: be a network effect. And then the other thing is
Speaker 4: like when I was in Grand Rapids the other day
Speaker 4: and I was talking to business people, I tried to
Speaker 4: make them understand that voting and getting people to vote
Speaker 4: and getting them actually to register and getting to the
Speaker 4: polls is one of the best things you can do
Speaker 4: to help yourself make more money because you know that
Speaker 4: startup fifty thousand dollars credit if you're getting ready, you know,
Speaker 4: because all those people are going to have passed through
Speaker 4: tax situations sub chapteristic, et cetera. Like we discussed. That's
Speaker 4: like money in the bank up to fifty K that
Speaker 4: goes against your other income and that's going to increase
Speaker 4: your refund and that's going to help you fund your business.
Speaker 4: The child tax credits, all those things, those are things
Speaker 4: that are money in the bank. The healthcare, those are
Speaker 4: things you need. So by going out there and getting
Speaker 4: your friends and getting people you work with and people
Speaker 4: in your network to realize that voting is important, that
Speaker 4: is probably the best thing you can do for your business.
Speaker 4: And that was the message that I was giving a
Speaker 4: lot of these entrepreneurs one on one. And then you
Speaker 4: can see the light go on, you know, because I've
Speaker 4: done so many of these. You can see the light
Speaker 4: go on when I say something that they hadn't you know,
Speaker 4: put those two pieces together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me that you were at an event
Speaker 1: and Fox News was setting up and you went over
Speaker 1: and just did Fox News. And I think you're brilliant,
Speaker 1: Sarah good and able to go on Fox News. Can
Speaker 1: you explain to our listeners. Why going on Fox News
Speaker 1: is important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't need to convert people that are
Speaker 4: already converted. I need to talk to people who are
Speaker 4: either undecided or maybe you know, hardcore Trump. But I'll say,
Speaker 4: all it takes is one little thing that triggers somebody
Speaker 4: to say, oh my goodness, maybe I hadn't thought that through.
Speaker 4: That's why, you know, he talked a lot about tariffs
Speaker 4: and the impact on small business. That's why I called
Speaker 4: Donald Trump the grinch that is stealing your Christmas because
Speaker 4: people aren't extending. They think Trump's and they think tariffs,
Speaker 4: and they think, you know, that's the tax of four
Speaker 4: thousand dollars tax, and that's true. But then you really
Speaker 4: have to take it further. You have to ask the
Speaker 4: question this next year, if Donald Trump is president and
Speaker 4: he's put on sixty percent tariffs on Chinese goods, do
Speaker 4: you realize that we import so so much of what
Speaker 4: we buy is imported from China? Your books, you know,
Speaker 4: your sporting goods, on your backpacks. The list just goes
Speaker 4: on and on and on. So this time next year,
Speaker 4: if he's put on those tariffs and you're thinking about
Speaker 4: Christmas presents to buy for your kids and your family
Speaker 4: and friends. Those prices are going to be up, aren't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, So you're gonna have You're gonna have
Speaker 4: to buy fewer Christmas presents, aren't you Yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 4: yeah yeah. And when you buy fewer Christmas presents? Who else?
Speaker 4: Does that affect? Every small business? The little dress shop
Speaker 4: down the street, the little knickknack place where you bought
Speaker 4: candles and cool stuff, the sporting goods store, will you
Speaker 4: buy all the gear for your kids to play whatever
Speaker 4: sports they play. Those businesses are going to get hurt
Speaker 4: and a lot of them are going to go out
Speaker 4: of this. And Donald Trump doesn't care, nor does he understand.
Speaker 4: He doesn't understand tariffs and these aren't some esoteric things.
Speaker 4: You have to understand that tariffs will m pack your family.
Speaker 4: He is the grids trying to steal your Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting, Mark, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: And it's not Molly always enjoy I keep on doing
Speaker 4: what you do. No moment.
Speaker 2: Oh fuckly Jesse Cannon.
Speaker 3: Smile junk fast, one of the we just got done.
Speaker 3: In the news segment talking about Trump to faving people,
Speaker 3: you may recall that he said some very not nice
Speaker 3: things and some disinformation about the FEMA workers down in
Speaker 3: North Carolina after the hurricanes, and he was confronted about
Speaker 3: that and I'm going to shock you what happens here.
Speaker 5: And when the rest is charge to make the threats
Speaker 5: gets FEMA workers on Saturdays.
Speaker 4: Ago, DIEMA had a safety stand down. They could incredible threat.
Speaker 4: Is it helping the recovering up to the North Carolina
Speaker 4: complain to exclaimed that demas not doing the job well.
Speaker 4: I think you have to let people.
Speaker 6: Know how they're doing. If they were doing a great job,
Speaker 6: I think we should say that too, because I think
Speaker 6: they should be rewarded. But is they're not doing to
Speaker 6: does that mean that if they're doing a poor job,
Speaker 6: we're supposed to not say it. These people are entitled
Speaker 6: to say it. And these are honest people behind us.
Speaker 6: If FEMA were doing well, they would be saying they
Speaker 6: did a good job. They're not for the most part,
Speaker 6: political people.
Speaker 2: For the most part, they're.
Speaker 4: Not political people.
Speaker 6: But you've obviously seen nothing but you know, very bad
Speaker 6: statements coming out about the job that FEMA and this
Speaker 6: administration has done having to do with this area at
Speaker 6: North Carolina as a whole, and by the way, other
Speaker 6: states also they're also complaining.
Speaker 1: But look, it shouldn't surprise that Donald Trump is spreading
Speaker 1: lies about FEMA when not cause playing a fry chef
Speaker 1: at a McDonald's known for stiffing its workers and refusing
Speaker 1: to say anything about raising the minimum wage. I'm not surprised,
Speaker 1: and I think we'll definitely see more of this. Look,
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump hates the federal government and wants
Speaker 1: ultimately to you know, make it so small that he
Speaker 1: could drown the federal government in a bathtub. And I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, his war on FEMA is that.
Speaker 2: But that's not.
Speaker 1: Really what you want in an emergency situation. But it
Speaker 1: definitely tracks to what we've seen in Trump world, and
Speaker 1: that is highly That is a very very very moment
Speaker 1: of fuckery moment.
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