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Speaker 6: I'm Jay Valentine and this is the R and B

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Speaker 6: Money Podcast, And today we about this business.

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Speaker 4: We about to get into some real business.

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Speaker 6: You know, y'all be asking me, you know, bring some

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Speaker 6: executives on, Bring some people who really do this thing,

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Speaker 6: really understand it, can really tell you how it go.

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Speaker 4: As seriously as we about to be. It's about to

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Speaker 4: be some fake work going on too, man.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's a lot of here records,

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Speaker 6: the it's a lot of cool shits. It's billion dollar business.

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Speaker 6: I got my brother on here, DJ more Millie.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's a pleasure. What's going on, bro, It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe we're finally doing this. I'm excited.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is this is a long time coming for

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Speaker 6: y'all that's tuned in. This is a long time coming, man.

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Speaker 6: This is a long a lot of years of us

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Speaker 6: being friends and brothers in this music business.

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Speaker 3: Man it's true. It's a couple of Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 3: couple of decades. Yeah, which sure, a couple decades. For sure,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty plus years, which is wild. Twenty plus years

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Speaker 3: bro of friendship in business.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and man, and I'm really I'm really happy to

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Speaker 6: have you here today. Bro, what you've done in the

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Speaker 6: music business is your own path. That's the best way

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Speaker 6: that I can put it.

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Speaker 3: That's fair. That's the best way. That's the best way.

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Speaker 3: That the only way I know how to do it.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, fair and man, let's let's let's start.

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Speaker 6: Let's start from the beginning of this for you. You're a

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Speaker 6: kid from New York, yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: And you know the elephant in the room. Let's get

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Speaker 4: it out.

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Speaker 3: You're Jimmy, I mean's nephew that I am. That I am.

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Speaker 3: He's my mom's little brother. So yeah, that's from day one,

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Speaker 3: you know, like that's how I grew up. Like I

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Speaker 3: grew up. You know, I grew up in New York,

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Speaker 3: but but still all the holidays he would come back

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Speaker 3: part of my life early. So I was around, you

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Speaker 3: know him and hearing about him and you know, people

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Speaker 3: being around, like he was dating Stevin Nicks when I

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Speaker 3: So Jimmy was always very very close. Now. I remember

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Speaker 6: We went to breakfast one day and he was telling

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how they raised Jimmy. Yeah, because my father and

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Speaker 3: my mother have been together since they were like fifteen

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Speaker 3: years old, so sixty five years you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So it's crazy to think about. But yeah, so it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, shit, it's lifers. Like both of my parents,

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Speaker 3: Like my dad's known Jimmy since he's seven. Yeah, so

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Speaker 6: Yes, all right, all right, it's very Italian, Yes, very Italian,

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Speaker 6: very Italian, Harry. So as you're seeing this as a kid,

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Speaker 6: is this peaking your interest in music at all?

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Speaker 3: Honestly? No, no, like not in not piquing my interest.

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Speaker 3: But it didn't feel like a path for me at

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Speaker 3: did not process that. I was like very like, I

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Speaker 3: grew older, like I'm gonna do something in stock market.

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Speaker 3: Like my brain was very like business school. I went

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Speaker 6: And that's so that's where a sports junkie kicks ining. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And now if I was an ut numbers okay, all right,

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Speaker 4: He was doing this as a teenage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from like fourteen, you were fourteen, I was like

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Speaker 3: running numbers for God and share. I'm an Talian kid

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Speaker 3: When I'm watching the Met game with my grandmother, who

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Speaker 3: taught me how to gamble, Jimmy's mom when I was five,

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Speaker 3: Like literally, like I was playing, Like my parents would

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Speaker 3: Like that's talent. So like literally, that's that's how I

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Speaker 6: So so back in your neighborhood, was it like a

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Speaker 6: known thing that Jimmy was already moving into music business

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Speaker 3: I mean because you gotta think he's massive that. Like

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Speaker 3: Jimmy like before the Interscope stuff, was like an enormous

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Speaker 3: Patty Smith to that. Like he was like so he

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Speaker 3: was obviously he made it out and he was lived

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Speaker 3: you know, so yeah, it was very much that. But

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Speaker 3: you mean the neighborhood that the neighborhood was more Brooklyn

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Speaker 3: But like but like my friends, like you gotta think,

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Speaker 3: like you know, obviously I had obviously uncle, like I

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Speaker 3: which was ridiculous and crazy for you know, like just

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Speaker 3: like it didn't really translate yet at that point until

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Speaker 4: Because now because now it's is more connected to the youth.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, and now we're old enough to like care

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Speaker 3: being a fourteen year old white kid from Staten Island.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and my uncle owns a label and that's.

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Speaker 3: And and as that and at the same time when

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Speaker 3: like Met the Man's my favorite artist, and the like

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Speaker 3: Were you getting so so?

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Speaker 6: I only take this in my mind goes here because

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Speaker 6: of my nieces and nephews.

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Speaker 4: Were you blowing up his phone for tickets?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't really nag, It was no, It didn't get

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Speaker 3: like I still remember getting like the very first record

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Speaker 3: So I got like the robe, like showed up at

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Speaker 3: think it was the second record overall was Good Vibrations

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Speaker 3: Marking Mark Wohlberg, Marky Mark. So like those records were

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Speaker 3: because I didn't really understand what a record label was,

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Speaker 3: Like I knew Jimmy was already like when I was younger,

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Speaker 3: he worked on like the very special Christmas Album of

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Speaker 3: record run DMC, all those records like the Christmas record.

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Speaker 3: So I was starting to like kind of learn what

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Speaker 3: everything was. But I still didn't really know what he did.

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Speaker 3: I just knew he was in music and he did

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Speaker 3: was successful, you know what I mean. Like I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: to think of how young like like to like now,

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Speaker 3: there's so much more on the Internet. You could process

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Speaker 3: and see things so much, but back then it was like.

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Speaker 6: What's the early moment for you teenager? Interscope, death Row,

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Speaker 6: do you have any moments of like you coming to LA,

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Speaker 6: because I mean death Row was like a very aggressive

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Speaker 6: yeah you know what I'm saying, like borderline scary label people. Right,

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Speaker 3: So it's like Jimmy's kids me, I've never been on

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Speaker 6: But it was do you did you realize though, that

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Speaker 3: Did I realize it wasn't normal?

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Speaker 4: Like all the people you just named, all of you

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Speaker 4: That's the thing.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I was wanting to ask you, because

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Speaker 6: I had another place out there, and I would spend

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Speaker 3: I said, nobody believes you? What what are you talking about?

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Speaker 6: At this point, he doesn't have a phone yet, right,

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Speaker 6: They don't believe you're my dad, right, Well that's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's it's kind of part of I really I value

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Speaker 3: local restaurants like I was already will I knew I

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00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 3: went to Peter, I knew how to go to the

436
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 3: restaurants and make sure they delivered us the best food

437
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 3: on Fridays, like I was going to be the things

438
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,680
Speaker 3: I cared about. I figured out how to get the

439
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,119
Speaker 3: radio in the perfect spots so we could hear the

440
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 3: games during the day while we were on the floor.

441
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 3: I knew how to get the steakhouses to get us.

442
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 3: I wanted the best food to come to us, not

443
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 3: the other boots. So like this, how I knew how

444
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 3: to wire shit. Things I cared about which I still

445
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,879
Speaker 3: care about to this day, sports and food. So like

446
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 3: it's kind of still what my life is. But like

447
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 3: after that sophomore year, as I'm as, I'm like preparing

448
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 3: to go back for my second year. At my internship

449
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 3: after my sophomore year, I talked to Jimmy and he goes,

450
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,719
Speaker 3: you should come visit LA. You should experience it. And

451
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I'm not against it, Like

452
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,479
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you like lap a luxury. I'm sure

453
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 3: it would be fun. But in my head I had

454
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,439
Speaker 3: a path. And he was like, you should you know

455
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 3: more about this stuff than you think you do just

456
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 3: from being around it. You're a smart kid. You absorb stuff.

457
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 3: I think you would. You should least explore the opportunity.

458
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 3: And I said to him, I was like, I don't

459
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 3: know anything about music. I don't ask you to be

460
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 3: a stockbroker, Like I don't know why you're asking me

461
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 3: to work it. Like you're great at what you do.

462
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be great at what I do. That

463
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 3: sounds insane to me. Like I literally at that point,

464
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 3: like I thought it was cool and I listened to music,

465
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 3: but like if I was in a car with my

466
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 3: dad's like sometimes we'd have music on, but it was

467
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: usually sports talk radio. It was usually like I wasn't

468
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 3: like in a ficionado in any way, shape or form,

469
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 3: but I was like all right, I'm gonna give you

470
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 3: three weeks. I'll come out for three weeks. No, no,

471
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 3: in my head I said, I'm yeah, I'm gonna give

472
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 3: it three weeks. I'll come out and I'll and if

473
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like a like, if it feels like

474
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 3: how I expect it to feel, I'll just go home

475
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: and I'll have had a great time. Like I'm still

476
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 3: a sophomore in college going to stay at my uncle's

477
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 3: house in Malibu, who like runs innerscope records, like there

478
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 3: are worse hardships in the world to do over the

479
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 3: yeah summer. So I go out and it was a

480
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it was exactly what I expected. I'm there,

481
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: everybody's like, you know, in my head, like what is

482
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: this kid doing there? He's like Jimmy's nephew. Is he

483
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 3: taking a spot from somebody else? Like what does he

484
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 3: do in Like? But I was like me, I'm like

485
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: a fun love and like I'm like, I'm not trying

486
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 3: to get in anybody's way. I'm not hating on anybody.

487
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm the same goofy guy. I am not like I

488
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: was except I had hair. But besides that, like the

489
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 3: rest of it is pretty much the same, but I

490
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 3: was like, and he put me in the A and

491
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: R department and he's like, oh, intern in the an

492
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 3: R department. I'm like, I don't even know what that means,

493
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 3: forget about like and then he explains it to me

494
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: and was like, listen to demo tapes and I was like,

495
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 3: I don't, like, I'm gonna find an artist, like I

496
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: don't know any but like it's really funny as we're

497
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: going through this process. I found one like in the

498
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 3: first few days that I liked, and one of the

499
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: guys in Jimmy's office liked it, and I took a

500
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: liking to it. So I would drive into the office

501
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 3: with Jimmy every day. I would put it in this

502
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: cassette deck every day cassettes back then, put it in

503
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 3: his tape deck every day and would play and he'd

504
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: be like every day he'd like give me shit about it.

505
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: And like a day, two days before I was leaving

506
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 3: to go home, it just so happens that that artist

507
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: got offered a huge deal by poll Anthony at EPIC,

508
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: I think where she wasn't And then so Jimmy decides

509
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 3: to take a meeting, like you know, all this is

510
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: going on the back and he's like, I better meet

511
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: with these guys because if something doesn't, if something works,

512
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: it would be the craziest thing ever. He ends up

513
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: meeting with them. They ends up signing with Jimmy on

514
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: the spot basically, and then the lead, the guy comes

515
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: in to meet me because Jimmy tells him the story. Yeah,

516
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: the guy ends up being will I Am. The group

517
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 3: is the Black Eyed be will I Am comes in

518
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: and I'm just sitting there. I'm las Alsa was still

519
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: across the street. Interscope was still on Wilshire and Willshire

520
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 3: and Westwood, so it was still in that in the

521
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: ten nine hundred building. So I'm sitting it just it's

522
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: sitting in. My boy Scott I goes office, who was

523
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: working for Jimmy at the time, and I'm just in here.

524
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: Look up and I'm like, oh, I know you. You're

525
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: from there, and we just started talking and we became friends,

526
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: and I now that moment just kind of my whole

527
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: life just changed. I'm also very competitive. I mean I was,

528
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, I was an athlete as much as you

529
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: could be an athlete. For somebody who hates sweating, I

530
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 3: was as good an athletes as you could be for

531
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: somebody who refuses to run. But like like but like

532
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 3: I was that and I was like very competitive. So

533
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: now knowing that I'm somewhere where nobody like I don't

534
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: want to say nobody wants me to be, but it

535
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: felt like nobody thought I could succeed, and I was like,

536
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, a NEPO baby, I was given the opportunity.

537
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, okay, now in my head, now I

538
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 3: want to be great at this because now I want

539
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: to prove in my head like kind of I can

540
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 3: do it, and like I had this in so I

541
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: wasn't all the way but like I was like okay,

542
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: and I became one of the black eyed peas and

543
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 3: or guys from my dorm room in Boston College my

544
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: junior year. So now will I am is like call,

545
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: like so now we're making this their first album from

546
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: my dorm. Like he's sending me like maybe you do

547
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: go home?

548
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 5: I go.

549
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: I like, I went to school for two more years.

550
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: I graduated, so I did not finish. I So I

551
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 3: go home my junior year and I'm legitimately like you know,

552
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: I got a landline. I'm an R and he's calling

553
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: me like, and he's like sending me, Like, I mean,

554
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: this is how crazy it was to begin He's sending me.

555
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: He sent me the first song was Fallen Up, like

556
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: the song before the single from the first album. He

557
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: sent it to me, but it was eight versions. So

558
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so naive and so green that I

559
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: thought he sent me a broken tape that it was

560
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: the same thing. I was like, it's the same song

561
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: you sent me eight times. He goes nah, man, like

562
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: it's like this the mix, this is up, this is down.

563
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: I was like, they all sound exactly the fucking same.

564
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: For me.

565
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: I was like, it sounds like it's twenty five minute song.

566
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: I think you should make it shorter. He's like, no,

567
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: it's not. I remember the and I could picture his

568
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: brain exploding, going I can't believe this is the guy,

569
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 3: Like like part of it was like funny, and part

570
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: of it was like but we grew together and it

571
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: was like this friendship that kind of was like, Okay,

572
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: this is like a real guy, because I was always

573
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 3: convinced that like all these artists and nobody, they weren't

574
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: really like it was all like you know, superstar TV stuff,

575
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, now I know a guy

576
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: and it's a real guy. So I'm like, okay, so

577
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 3: now that's my junior year. Now I go, okay, this

578
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: is it junior summer. I'm going back, and I'm gonna

579
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 3: decide this summer whether give it the full summer and

580
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 3: decide whether I'm gonna do music or I'm I'm going

581
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: to go back because I'm still a marketing and finance

582
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: major of Boston College. I'm still I'm still living that

583
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: dual life, like in my head, like I was giving

584
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: it a shot, but it was still ninety percent of

585
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: my time was still school and like my life, and

586
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: I was helping Will with whatever I was doing, but

587
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: there were other R and R guys in LA like

588
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: really doing the groundwork. So that summer Jimmy's literally looks

589
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: at me and goes, Okay, You're not going to get

590
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: that lucky again. So what you need to do is,

591
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: I mean that's a fluke like so like what you

592
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 3: need to do is you need to go through all

593
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 3: the artists that are already signed to Interscope and attach

594
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: yourself to one or two or however many that you

595
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: feel you can help that haven't already. Like see if

596
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: you work the work well with the A and R guys,

597
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: if you have a good relationship, and see if you

598
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: can insert yourself and help now that you've see in

599
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: how Will and the peas have done what they've done,

600
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: if you have any knowledge or anything that can help that.

601
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: So okay, So I listened. I have few friends at

602
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: the company. I go around. I'm listening to all the acts.

603
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm working closely with Tom Wally. He played golf.

604
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: I like to play golf. So Tom was the president

605
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: at the time I was around there. Evan Bogart was interning.

606
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: Who now is like you know, Evan Bogart was interning

607
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: and consulting A and R there, and my boy Dean Geislinger,

608
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: who was in the mailroom is now assisting Jimmy. He

609
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: had he had moved up to become Jimmy's assistant. I

610
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: come out and so I'm dealing with talking all these guys,

611
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: and you know, there was an artist that they really

612
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: loved that I attached myself to. And I'm just around.

613
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: I'm just around, bringing them to the studio, bringing going

614
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 3: with Dean's here, going to you know, going to Sway

615
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: in tex House, going doing just all the stuff, and

616
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: so I'm working with this. I go back to school.

617
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 3: Now I'm really in it. I got two artists that

618
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: I'm at least somewhat involved in. That Christmas we shoot

619
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: the video for My Name Is. Two months later, my

620
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: Name Is comes out, Yeah it's Emin, and Eminem becomes like,

621
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it's you know I was around and

622
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: I was a part of it. I didn't, but it's.

623
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 6: Like those two stories that are part of your your

624
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 6: your legend that you may not even know about, are

625
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 6: actually merged together. I always thought, even in our friendship

626
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 6: of all these years, I always thought it was Jimmy's

627
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 6: punk nephew who found the tape of emmaim No.

628
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: So you like and everybody it's the mix.

629
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 6: So it's the tape was black Eyed Peas and the

630
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 6: artists that you want to go help with was imminent,

631
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 6: which is actually a greater story.

632
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: And so I got to meet like you know, like

633
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: I'm like still in college now senior year, and like

634
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 3: am and Paul Rosenberg, who's you know, one of my

635
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: dearest friends at this point, like coming up to Boston

636
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: doing shows at the Middle East that like and like

637
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: just around and like my like I have like like

638
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: photo somewhere of like em and Paul in the back

639
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: of my Cherokee with me and my roommate Freddy Cardon

640
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 3: like at the front, like driving my my jeep Cherokee

641
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: to the shows and stuff like crazy stuff like.

642
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: Your first two artists, first.

643
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: To artists I ever was around in my whole life.

644
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: So it's like, I just love DJ.

645
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: You got slow down because you talk fast.

646
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: It's because it's insane.

647
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 6: This is insane, bro, It's insane your first two shots

648
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 6: because like I said, it was and you mentioned people

649
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 6: looking at it the nepo baby thing, you know what.

650
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: It is, the punk nephew.

651
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 6: Like I said, like, people are just saying things like ah,

652
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 6: and this is before I ever beat you. It's like, yeah,

653
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 6: you know, Jimmy, I ain't got this nephew, and he

654
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 6: he did, but he did find eminem right, this is

655
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 6: what people are saying. So when I meet you, I'm like,

656
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 6: this motherfuck is hilarious. And in my mind, I'm like

657
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 6: it works because he's an outsider. That's this is this

658
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 6: is my train of thought. I'm like, oh, all his

659
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 6: shit works and these things have lined up for him

660
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 6: because he don't have none of this quote unquote music

661
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 6: guy thing that tells him that Eminem will never work.

662
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 6: Or the black eyed Peas with the Filipinos and the

663
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 6: black guy and the girl singing, which at the time

664
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 6: ain't fergy yet, right, you know what I mean. Years

665
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 6: before they had another young lady that was in the group,

666
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, like in the band, you

667
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 6: know what I mean.

668
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: So it's three of them officially, but yeah.

669
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: All of these things.

670
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 6: I think for the average music person who comes up

671
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 6: in music and understands the quote unquote aesthetics and what

672
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 6: this is supposed to be, will probably be like, no,

673
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 6: So it took for you to be from another world.

674
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: In a sense to say I just think it's cool.

675
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm like this person, Yep, that's basically I

676
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: don't want to help.

677
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically the whole thing. Like I didn't understand

678
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: like anytime they would start talking, I was like that

679
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: all just sounds like noise and everybody talking just to

680
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: feel like like I mean, most of them, like no

681
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: disrespect with most of the music industry is people just

682
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: talking to make sure they still have a job. Like

683
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: it's like they feel like they need to like and

684
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm from the very first meeting I ever sat in

685
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: until the very last one I sat in as as

686
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: a record executive, it felt like seventy five percent of

687
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: it was people talking because they felt like they get

688
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: in trouble if they didn't right, like and like you know,

689
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: like and we had the conference room book from nine

690
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: to fives. People didn't want it to end up on.

691
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 6: Most people sit on the fence because they don't want

692
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 6: to be on either side of right or wrong right,

693
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 6: and if they were on the fence, they can kind

694
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 6: of be like yeah, no, I did say yep, oh yeah,

695
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 6: instead of standing on it and it being like yo,

696
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 6: you the one said that bullshit was going to work,

697
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 6: and it didn't work. Nobody nobody. People are too scared

698
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 6: to be in that position.

699
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I also understand it because being wrong

700
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: is a lot scarier than being right is rewarding in

701
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: a lot of ways when you're not, especially when you're

702
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: not on the A and R. So like you know,

703
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: like you have a job, like so most of the

704
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: label is like you know, they're they're functioning and they

705
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: can run with the I'm just working the record you

706
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: give me, so like I'm doing my job. I'm doing

707
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: my job, whether you delivered a hit record or not.

708
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 6: But tell me this too in your mind is it?

709
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 6: But my uncle owns the company, It's.

710
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: Part of that in a way that I like, not

711
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: in a yeah this is the way, Like it wasn't

712
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: based on that, Like that wasn't my thought. But as

713
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: I grew it was a lot more like the music industry,

714
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: and just like any industry is based on growth, based

715
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: on advancing, based on like credit that you need getting

716
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: credit for the things you do because you want to

717
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: advance or you want to get a new job, or

718
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: you want to get a better job. That wasn't my experience.

719
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm never like from the Sopranos, Like I'm

720
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Chris from the Sopranos, Like for real, Like that story

721
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: worked way better until you know, I don't want to

722
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: spoil the Sopranos if somebody still hasn't watched it. But

723
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: Tony ends up killing Chris at the end of Sobranos.

724
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: So like me saying that Jimmy's Tony and I'm Chris

725
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: worked a lot better before that episode air. Yeah, but

726
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: conceptually it.

727
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: Was like.

728
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: I was a lifer. I was only in the music

729
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: industry because it was family, and because that's what I knew,

730
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: I didn't want another job at another record company. So

731
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: like I was a safe space and I was somebody

732
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: who could take chances, could believe in what I believed in,

733
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: and I could advocate and fight for other people at

734
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: the company because I wasn't worried about, for obvious reasons,

735
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: people stealing the credit for me, people not people thinking

736
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I didn't want that because I already

737
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: had the thing of people probably thinking I was going

738
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: to go run and tell my uncle anything that happened anyway,

739
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: which was actually the opposite of what was the truth,

740
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: because the last thing I wanted was that I wanted

741
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: that stigma of like, oh, Jimmy's going to find out

742
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: anything you say to DJ, right, So like that was

743
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: actually the opposite. And I kind of became like the

744
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: I feel like I became like the therapist at Innerscope,

745
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: Like I was the person who could like kind of

746
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: thread the line and like be able to help things

747
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: move forward because I was able to help. I was able,

748
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: I was in a good enough position, in a good

749
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: enough place. As I grew that I was able to

750
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: help people get their ideas and get their artists across

751
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: the finish line without feeling like I needed to boguart

752
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: it and be like this shit is mine now now.

753
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: For lack of a better term, you rode in the car.

754
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you said, like you were able to put

755
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 6: that cassette in there, and nobody else would have been

756
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 6: in that car.

757
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: It's not family, all right, you know what I mean.

758
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 6: So it was advantageous for somebody to, especially if you

759
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 6: took the position of not just wanting to in a

760
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 6: sense be a rat right and be.

761
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: Like yeah, da da da they fucking of it.

762
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 6: If you're an advocate for people, like I said, it

763
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 6: was advantaged for somebody to be like, yo, DJ you

764
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 6: fuck with this?

765
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I was. I was the exact opposite. I

766
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 3: took every bullet. I was like, yo, it's me Like

767
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: it was like cause it was like I believed, I mean,

768
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: this is obviously we're skipping years, like not when I'm

769
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: twenty two, because I didn't have enough like equity and

770
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: success to be able to say that. But as like

771
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: the years go on, that position of like being somebody

772
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: who had his opinion and was willing to at the

773
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: end of the day. I never stopped being a gambler,

774
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: Like I would put like, if I believe in something,

775
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: My whole career is based on believing in artists and

776
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: songs and writers and producers and arguing with them till

777
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: like I'm out of breath. But the second we leave

778
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: that room, we are united front and then I kill

779
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: and I would spend every last dollar to execute that vision.

780
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: And that's more important, Like, that's more important than any

781
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: analytic could ever tell me. So like, and that is

782
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: how we had our That's how I had my success,

783
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: and that's how I was able to like, like, obviously,

784
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: the early stuff, I mean, shit, the piece took six years.

785
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 3: I mean, Will ended up moving into my house. Will

786
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: like we ended up being roommates. We ended up like

787
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: really building. And then Jimmy relationship with Will really built.

788
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: And obviously then Ron Fair comes into the picture, Fergie

789
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 3: comes into the picture, and they start making these records,

790
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: and I mean obviously, I mean they become the biggest

791
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: there was. There were years where they were the biggest

792
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: group in the world.

793
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: Like sixty maybe a hundred million records.

794
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: You could argue that Black Eyed Peace were the biggest

795
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: group in the world like they were that big, like

796
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: worldwide massive, like you know, like.

797
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 7: Like I got a feel from where's the lung him

798
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 7: sampling his crowd Yeah on ushers, Oh like come on, bro,

799
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 7: Like you can't do that if you're not hundreds of

800
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 7: thousands of people.

801
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: Will's a genius and he's one of my dearest friends

802
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: to this day. Obviously, Yeah, you're at my wedding, so

803
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: like obviously he's very much like a like family, so

804
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: like and that's how kind of everybody say, like my

805
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: whole career is kind of based on that, Like did

806
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: you have a moment during the eminem phase did you

807
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: go blonde? Did you go did you do it? I

808
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: don't know if I've ever seen a picture of it,

809
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: but I just gotta ask. This is gonna be this

810
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: is the most ridiculous thing ever. Shit, but I had

811
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: blonde hair first I live, I mean to be fair

812
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: eyed his hair because of you. I will never say

813
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: that ever, because I looked horrible, Like it was ridiculous

814
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: how bad it was. But legitimately, when we're running around

815
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: to like do like Swaying Tech Show and that kind

816
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: of stuff, like I have like there's like photos where

817
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: like I have blonde hair and Eminem still has dark hair.

818
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: So it's like kind of funny. It's like ridiculus. I

819
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: mean it's and then like six months later that my

820
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: name is video and obviously I mean it's absurd. I mean,

821
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: if you watch it, just don't give up a video

822
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: Eminem's first video, he doesn't have blonde.

823
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 6: We're gonna we're gonna stamp it on here and say

824
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 6: that Eminem died his hair blinde.

825
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: I hope he used to make fun of how terrible

826
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: I look, so I can't. I'm like, I can't imagine

827
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: that's really where it came from. But that is a

828
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: funny narrative. But yes, I definitely did have blonde hair.

829
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: I blame my aunt VICKI for that. She talked me

830
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: into going to the to this hair salon in l A.

831
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: I was like, this is insane. I'm gonna like blonde.

832
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: It's crazy, Like I looked insane, But like, I'll send

833
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: you a picture. Could you get at it if you want?

834
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: I look insane? How terrible?

835
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 6: So after you do, or after you're part of Black

836
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 6: Eyed Peas, Eminem, what's the next for you?

837
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: Well? I went to go work, like so now when

838
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: I'm graduating, right, you still haven't graduated. I know. I'm

839
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: like Eminem's album comes out like three months before I

840
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: graduated college when I but like, as I'm graduating, like

841
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: it's like the natural thing, moved to LA become an

842
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: A and R guy. I didn't know anything, So I

843
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to do that, Like I

844
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: don't want to jump into something. I need the groundwork,

845
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: I need the I still need some there there in

846
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: like what I'm doing. So like I decided to stay

847
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: in New York initially, and I went to go work

848
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: for Steve Stout, who is now running urban music at Interscope.

849
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: So I became Steve's one of Steve's assistants. And I

850
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: was still co and R of both The Black Eyed

851
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: Peas and Eminem with Dean, but I was an assistant.

852
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: A yes, so now this is legitimately, I would argue,

853
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: probably the greatest floor that I went to go work on,

854
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: like in hip hop history, Like I don't know what

855
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: it would be. Got to think nineteen ninety nine Universal building,

856
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: like the Interscope, Like obviously Interscope said LA office, so

857
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: like it's a very small satellite office, but it's me

858
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: Steve Stout, Ashley Fox who was big marked exacutive, Chris

859
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: Chambers who's now a massive publicist. Yeah, Anton Marshawn, Foxy's

860
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: brother who an a OUR guy.

861
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

862
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: DJ Clue was an A and R guy. So that's

863
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: our that's our little squad. My boy dolph A was

864
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: stoutsy and said, that's our little squad. Then my office

865
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: was the last an R office we ended, Rockefeller began,

866
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: So g Roberson is the next office. So I'm Interscope

867
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: now g Roberson Hip hop Al Branch. Dames up there

868
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: all the time, Like you got like and then you

869
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: got like that whole squad. Then in the same building

870
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: running in and out you got Murder Inc. Is starting,

871
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: Bloodline with DMX is starting. Yeah, everyone is in that

872
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: like every day is like in every day every day

873
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: Like that's like, so I'm fresh out like three hours

874
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: like I went home and Monday I started Like it

875
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: was like so I graduated four days ago, and I'll

876
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: walk in and that's like.

877
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 4: Are you in? Are you living in the city? Are

878
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: you still living now?

879
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm living in my parent I would probably still

880
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: live in my parents' house in Staten Island now if

881
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: it was up to me, but like, but no, so

882
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: I still like like, but but no. I lived in

883
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: Staten Island and I drove into the city every day

884
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: because I don't do public transportation at all, so that

885
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 3: doesn't really work in New York. But like you're driving

886
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: every every day. I probably would have swam home first

887
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: if I was given the options, but before before getting

888
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 3: on like the train or the anything else. But but uh, yeah,

889
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: so I'm driving in and out, so it's taken me forever.

890
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 3: But I mean the night it wasn't that bad because

891
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: I stayed late. So if I'm leaving at eight thirty

892
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: nine o'clock, it wasn't that bad. But getting in if

893
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: I was trying to get into a reasonable time was insane. Yeah,

894
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: but yeah, and that but like so that's where like

895
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: all that initial like and all these crazy like you know,

896
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: get like, so I had that early relationship with g

897
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: and would hop and would and they kind of like

898
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: took me in as well. So I was spending time

899
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: with the studio with Jay and I was doing this

900
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: and Stout was Stout, so he's like so outspoken, So

901
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: like DJ go do this, and it would be like

902
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: some crazy task of the day, and it would be like,

903
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to Jacob the jeweler for this,

904
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: or I'm going to do this. But it was like

905
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: real gro work and real assistant work. And really the

906
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: reason I love Steve is that he was the I

907
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: knew he was the only person who would treat me

908
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: like I was anybody else as opposed to treating me

909
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 3: like Jimmy's Nefinven trying to gain points by me being

910
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: happy Christy and he and he like he his brain

911
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: was the opposite, like I'm gonna I'm gonna make this

912
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: guy like I get it, Like he understood me. He

913
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: knew how crazy I was. He had then been. I

914
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: had already been to Aspen with him at that point.

915
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: We had had funny exchanges and we'd like arguing back

916
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: and forth about things. I was right about a couple

917
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: of them, he was right about it. So we had

918
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: that banter already, so it was like very like give

919
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: and take. He knew I wasn't just I wasn't intimidated either,

920
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: so it was like a very unique Most people were

921
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: like you know him running that show, were very like

922
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: and I was not. I was very like right back

923
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: at him anything, So it was like that kind of relationship.

924
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 3: I ended up not staying there very long because Jimmy

925
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 3: started another company called farm Club dot Com. Oh yeah,

926
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: and it was like and it was like Jimmy and

927
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: Doug Morris's take on the Internet when they didn't know.

928
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: I remember buying him Internet for Dummies for Christmas that

929
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: year because they had and it was like, I have

930
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 3: this picture of him holding the book and his finger

931
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: to his hat. We like. And I ended up in

932
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: November of ninety nine, I came out for I was

933
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: supposed to come out for three days, okay, and I'm

934
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: still here, so like I was like, I didn't I

935
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: thought I was going back home on Sunday, and like

936
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: I never won. It was like twenty seven years later

937
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: this time. Yeah, And I just kind of and I

938
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: ended up going to farm Club. That lasted a couple

939
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: of years. Was I learned a lot that doing that,

940
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: And then when I came back to Interscope, I kind

941
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: of transitioned into like I ended up overseeing like all

942
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: the from the Interscope side, all the shady aftermath stuff

943
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: along with because you had already been because I was

944
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: working with him and obviously I knew dre from like

945
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: just I'm Jimmy's nephew, so for being a kid like

946
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: Dre was like day yeah, and just like so like

947
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: he's Drey, he's always with Jimmy. He's one of his

948
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: best friends. So like I was Jimmy sixteen year old

949
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: nephew is seventeen eight. Now I'm working there. Now I'm

950
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: working like I'm around so like I was like growing

951
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: into it.

952
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 6: That's why you and I are both dressed like doctor

953
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 6: dreda the yes. Yeah, I don't know if he with

954
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 6: noticed we both we I did it purposely. If I

955
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 6: ever get Doctor Dre to come out here, I'm gonna

956
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 6: dress it this way is where because this is the

957
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 6: doctor Dre outfit you wear all black and white Air Force.

958
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: No. I've definitely gone to places where like I can't

959
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: get my shirt or something because he already bought them

960
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: all or something like it's really that black shirt. Yeah,

961
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: like they were like and I'd be like I remember,

962
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: I don't remember. It was James Park someplace where I

963
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna call him and let you give

964
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: me a few of like he would really had everyone

965
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: on hold, and I was like this is insane, Like

966
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: but like so that happened at one point in my life,

967
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, I guess we dressed kind of similar.

968
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: But not kind of but just like yeah.

969
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was kind of my transition that came

970
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: back to Interscope as an R guy, and I was

971
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: really like now I had like a few years of

972
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: really like tough love, hard learning. The Farm Club thing

973
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 3: was crazy because it was like a company that really

974
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: didn't like it was like a great idea, but it

975
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: was very all over them and the ground. Ye, I'd

976
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: never really liked the show and the parties with the

977
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: TV show were like great, but like the label like

978
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: it kind of like the business model didn't was they

979
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: weren't up to speed yet. It was years ahead of

980
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: its time.

981
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 6: So now you're doing Shady Aftermath, Yes, and that's Roland.

982
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: Obvious, that's it's yeah, it's like I mean, it's eminem,

983
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: it's eminem and it and right into fifty into fifty yeah,

984
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: who is Like So now I'm like, you know, running

985
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: around with them finishing.

986
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 6: That album and it's something that's connected to the East

987
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 6: Coast where you from.

988
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's funny because from before that, like I

989
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: actually have because fifty was signed to track Masters, which

990
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: Steve set at Sony before that, so I was actually

991
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: helping him. So you Knewanny, we had met like once.

992
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: We didn't really know each other, but I was helping

993
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: like master the album before everything happened when he got

994
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: shot and everything, and then like the he ended up

995
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: leaving Sony and then coming to Interscope years but like

996
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: so like I had already kind of had a little

997
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: taste of the like that world before before that, and

998
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: then when em and Paul and fifty showed up at

999
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: the studio in La I mean it was lightning in

1000
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 3: a bottle.

1001
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 6: Like it was like, what is the experience like with

1002
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 6: an artist like fifty Cent coming on to the roster

1003
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 6: and you know he's hot, his fish grease, but then

1004
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 6: you get to hear what get Richard Dye try and sounds.

1005
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: Like what it's growing into right in front of your eyes. Yeah,

1006
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: I mean it was. I've been blessed to be a

1007
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: part of more shit diamond albums, like more than anybody

1008
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 3: deserves to have to be a part of fifty Cent

1009
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: and his arrival on the scene and the and the

1010
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: momentum and the release of Get Richard Die Trian is

1011
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: the most insane thing I've ever been a part of.

1012
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: I've never like the energy around it, the groundswell, the

1013
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 3: feeling of just inevitability and like the creation of this

1014
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: superstar like that, even though it couldn't have been any

1015
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 3: less overnight, felt like it was overnight, and just being

1016
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: and how smart he was, besides how hot he was,

1017
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: and how everything like being around him, and like I

1018
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: remember mastering the album and it was literally just me

1019
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: and him and big bass at Jernie Grudman, Okay, And

1020
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: I remember because I was so pissed because we were trying

1021
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: to figure out what the last songs were going to be,

1022
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: and it was the I'll never forget it because this

1023
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: is before phones and you had sports on your phone

1024
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: and whatever. And it was that Miami, Ohio State championship

1025
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 3: game that like they I think they screwed Miami out

1026
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: of the championship when they called the past interference. And

1027
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: I had a lot of money on that game and

1028
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: we couldn't get the album done and I was I

1029
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: was like, nobody else is sitting here because this is

1030
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 3: like you know, obviously, like this is around New Year's

1031
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: and we're putting the album out in February, so we

1032
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: had to get the album in that night, and they're

1033
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: arguing back and forth about the final songs and fifth

1034
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: then like fifty hadn't been to bed in two days.

1035
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: I hadn't been to bed in two days, like, you know,

1036
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: like Dre as a perfectionist. They are mismixed and mastered

1037
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: every song six hundred and twelve times, you know, but

1038
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 3: like I can't argue with it because shit, fucking doctor

1039
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 3: Dre at the end comes out sounding like that album

1040
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: sounds like, but like like he just sitting there in

1041
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: that room that night and him talking to me, and

1042
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: I just thought he was delirious. But he's like, yam it, DJ,

1043
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: it's gonna be crazy, like man, I'm gonna do this.

1044
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have clothing lines, I'm gonna do energy drinks,

1045
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna build this, I'm gonna do this. Like he

1046
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: had like so many steps, and I was like, dude,

1047
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: could we just finish the fucking out, like amazing, I

1048
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: can't wait.

1049
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 4: So you like, you don't you don't see any of

1050
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: those things that he's talking.

1051
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: I mean I couldn't even see my hand in front

1052
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: of my face at that point. Like we hadn't slept

1053
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: in days, but he was so just sandsome, thinking yeah,

1054
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: oh yeah, no about like I didn't say you couldn't

1055
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: see because it sounded brilliant, but I definitely wasn't thinking

1056
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: like that. I'm still you gotta think how young I am.

1057
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: I'm still twenty four or just twenty five? I think

1058
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: it was, was it two or three? I was, But

1059
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: it was like so it was like so like I'm

1060
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: just like this thing is about to be massive, Like

1061
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: this shit is crazy, Like Eminem had just done a

1062
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: bajillion records. We had just done eight mile, like Whane

1063
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: stuff happened like all thinking musically and he's yeah, he's

1064
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: thinking worldly age, he's thinking like business. I mean, he

1065
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: knew because of how he was that even though he

1066
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: was on top of the world, he wasn't gonna have

1067
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: a twenty year run like I think really has no

1068
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: but I mean, but he knew like he was gonna

1069
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: be white hot for so long and like and like

1070
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take advantage of every single opportunity. And I

1071
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: see it and I'm gonna build now and I'm gonna

1072
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: start breaking my artist now. I'm not waiting until the

1073
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 3: next home I'm not like, I'm not doing the normal.

1074
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you've heard him talk about it, but I'm

1075
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: not doing the normal. Two albums before this, like he

1076
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: was talking about all that ship on the fly, We're

1077
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: gonna do this, We're gonna do this, We're gonna and

1078
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: like it was like and I don't know, I think

1079
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: I was like the first sounding board because I was

1080
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: the guy who's around all the time. I'm sure other

1081
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: people maybe was talking to pall anybody. I only knew

1082
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: me because a lot of times I was around, it

1083
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: was just us, but or we were in a studio

1084
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: and everybody else was doing something else and we would

1085
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: when we would talk. But He's like, that was an

1086
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: incredible experience that I value, and I value that friendship

1087
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: with him to this day. He's the funniest guy in

1088
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: the whole universe, the great He's legitimately the greatest. Nobody

1089
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: gets like I mean, like I like, like, that's that's

1090
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: my guy forever.

1091
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: But now you're at fully at the label.

1092
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 6: Yes, fully an R. Yes, you understand what you're doing

1093
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 6: as an an R. Yes, you no longer in its assistant? Yeah,

1094
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 6: in your mind? Are you on the okay? I want

1095
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: to help with the things that are here. I want

1096
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 6: to start breaking new artists.

1097
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the relationships with the artists and the producers

1098
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: and the helping them achieve what they wanted to achieve

1099
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: more than the corporate bullshit that was involved with record labels.

1100
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: But I knew that how valuable it was for them

1101
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: for me to continue to rise in the company because

1102
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: of how I viewed them, how I viewed producers and

1103
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: songwriters more so than even artists, and helping them get

1104
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: off their their business ventures, their dreams, and helping them

1105
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: build their businesses.

1106
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 6: So I think what you guys have built and what

1107
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: has been a staple or what was a staple at

1108
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 6: Interscope was investing in the talent you already have, yes,

1109
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 6: investing in the producers and I mean starting with Doctor

1110
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 6: Dre Yes.

1111
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: I think that model.

1112
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 6: I've seen other labels try it and it's and it's

1113
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 6: been successful for them. But I think it's just just

1114
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 6: really a staple thing at Interscope. I remember hearing other

1115
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 6: producers speak about it, like, YEO, when you get a

1116
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 6: deal as a producer, when you get hot, you go

1117
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 6: do a deal with Interscope.

1118
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: You know, Jimmy always valued that, and he valued the

1119
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: producer as like the best an R, best version of

1120
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: an A and R right, because he's key can create too.

1121
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: So like I did it with Dre and then like

1122
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: you know we like I mean, I mean Will Will

1123
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: talking about it. It's funny, but yes with Will, with

1124
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: Tim Yea Farrell, Polo, Yeah, like he did it like

1125
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: all the way, let's get it to Polo. Well that's

1126
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, the run that y'all had together. It's legendary.

1127
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: I think it is. I think it's like probably the

1128
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: greatest story I never told.

1129
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: We was gonna tell some of them today. Okay, how

1130
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: did that connection happen?

1131
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: So that connection happened because Bubba Sparks. Bubba Sparks who

1132
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: I Love? Who's ship one of the forefathers of what

1133
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: really popular music is today with this country rap or

1134
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 3: like I mean the album him and Timbland we made

1135
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 3: Deliverance is like.

1136
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 4: I remember the first time I saw a video, I

1137
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 4: was like, oh shit.

1138
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 3: Yeah he like Bubba definitely crawl, so all these guys

1139
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: could walk for sure. But like so Bubba like like

1140
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: we were, we were cool, and like he's like, yo,

1141
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: you got I got this group. You got to meet

1142
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: and it was Jim Crow the rap group Jim Crow

1143
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 3: out of Atlanta, which was Polo to Don Missed the

1144
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: Mo and Cuddy Cattel rest in Peace, who was a

1145
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: phenomenal voice. But those three guys were insane and I

1146
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: remember going down to Atlanta to sign them, met them

1147
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: at the Palm at the now Weston which was the

1148
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 3: Swiss Hotel, which is in my career been crazy because

1149
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: I ended up meeting a bunch of artists there. But

1150
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 3: and we signed them as rapper as a rap group,

1151
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: and we thought they were next up. Like it was

1152
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: like they were at a crew. It was like outcast

1153
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: and it was Goodie Mob and then it was going

1154
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: to be Jim Crow and Jim Crow like they were

1155
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: like the more pop leaning like but like Polo was

1156
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 3: like you know pole like and he like we really

1157
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: we connected right off the bat of me and Polo,

1158
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: Polo and like, and we like became super close and

1159
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: they put out a couple of records, but it didn't

1160
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: really connect like we thought it was going to. And

1161
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: at that same time, fifty signed Standards Scope. So the

1162
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: whole company becomes like it becomes like as much as

1163
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 3: it was already eminem or whatever fifty cent had become.

1164
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: Because for a minute there, Jim Crow like it was

1165
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: a big deal. We were competing with other labels like

1166
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: they were like they were next up. That was gonna

1167
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 3: be the first thing that I really signed that went crazy, right,

1168
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: And it didn't because Black Eyed Peas hadn't gone crazy yet,

1169
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 3: so it was going to be like and it didn't

1170
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: happen for real. And I remember telling him. I remember

1171
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: it was Thanksgiving break and I had to call him

1172
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: and tell him were going to drop the group. And

1173
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 3: it was like sickening. I had never had to do

1174
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: that before. And I but in there, I had seen

1175
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: him in the studio with Jazzy Fay and all them

1176
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 3: when Jazzy Fay was produce Jazzy Fay was producing those records.

1177
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: I was like, man, Polo, you could be a producer,

1178
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: Like I see how you see things like you think

1179
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: and you move like you could do this. And we

1180
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: get on the phone and we talked for like two

1181
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 3: hours and I'm like, you really should be a producer.

1182
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: He goes, I don't produce. I'm not a producer. And

1183
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 3: he goes, all right, well you manage me. And I

1184
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: was like well, I'm not a manager. I don't even

1185
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: know what the first thing about being a manager is.

1186
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 3: I was like, but shit, we'll figure it out together.

1187
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: And that's literally how it started. It started as me

1188
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: that next Monday calling everybody, called up my boy Tubby,

1189
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: who was working for Big John at the time. Yall,

1190
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 3: I got the hottest new producer in the game. He's

1191
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: about to be the biggest thing in the world. Polo

1192
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: Polo to don. He's never made a beat. I mean

1193
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: he might have, but I never heard it. So like

1194
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: we're like, like we are now walking into meetings. He

1195
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: had this one beat and it was crazy, and we're

1196
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 3: walking in playing this beat and being like we're I'm playing, y'all,

1197
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: nothing else. This is it? Like this how good? He

1198
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: is only playing one beat? There was only one beat

1199
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: poker yeah, And it was like like it was crazy.

1200
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 3: We were walking around to every single room like you

1201
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: don't understand pull Don. This is the greatest of all time.

1202
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: Like I named him Polo Do Don. By the way,

1203
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: the name was Polo Freege or something, and I was like,

1204
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: what the hell is not even mean? I can't say it,

1205
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: I can't spell it, Like that's a terrible name, and

1206
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 3: I was like, and on one of those jim Pro songs,

1207
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: he goes, y'all know who it is, Polo to Don

1208
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's your name, that's it. I'm

1209
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 3: not asking, like that's what it is. And he stuck

1210
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: with it and he ran because I was like Polo Freeze.

1211
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: I was like, cause I'm French. I was like what

1212
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 3: what now? What does that even mean? Because I'm French?

1213
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 3: I was like what. But so like Polo to Don

1214
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: is born and now we decided that and it's Jimmy's

1215
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: just blind belief because I told him, I said, I

1216
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: promise you, I'm going to make this work. He gave

1217
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: us a song deal. Wasn't a big one, but it

1218
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: was just enough for us to get moving. So he

1219
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: had an eight song deal at Innoscope. Yeah, and now

1220
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 3: we're like starting to figure it out. He's making this.

1221
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: I tell him, yo, I need a beat CD. So

1222
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: you got to figure it out. He made a beat CD.

1223
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: It took him like forever, and I was on him

1224
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: every day, but he made a beat CD like he

1225
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: was making the chronic Like this first beat out CD

1226
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: is like insane, like insane, like I mean, bone Crusher

1227
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 3: did the intro like it was like a beat CD.

1228
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: Like I mean, like I'm talking about the beats for

1229
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: songs that became like London Bridge and Runaway Love and

1230
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: like like and this is the first beat CD ever.

1231
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think there was like a bunch of them,

1232
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: the Pimple all over the world, like all these records

1233
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: and like this beat CD. But like we're walking in

1234
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: and then our good friend, your good friend and his

1235
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 3: good friend from childhood Ethiopia, Yeah, realizes what we're doing

1236
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: and she takes the gamble of her life and stamps

1237
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: us as like no, these guys are the shit. Polo

1238
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: is the next guy for no reason other than we

1239
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: said we were the next people. Like there was no

1240
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: it was based on nothing but belief nothing Like it

1241
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 3: was like we was selling like you know, we knew

1242
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: we could sell ketchup to somebody wearing white gloves, Like

1243
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: it was that kind of thing. We we had it

1244
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 3: figured out. We were we were going to make it work,

1245
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: and it was what's the first hit? First hit was

1246
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 3: Pimped all over the world. Polo did a bunch of

1247
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: resh shaka. We drove him crazy and like he sold

1248
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of beats to Chaka. One of them was

1249
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: one of my favorites, was called all of My Hoses Ridiculous,

1250
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: and it was Polo singing all of My Hoses Ridiculous.

1251
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that was the whole song. And then you

1252
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 3: don't get it. That's still the greatest song of all

1253
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: tom nobody got like you know, it was still like

1254
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: that kind of like but Polo was originally singing pimpot

1255
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: all over the world, and it's like uh and uh,

1256
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: yeah that was. And then when Ludacris did that record

1257
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 3: and he I mean he put it on the album,

1258
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 3: everything he put on the album, and all of a sudden,

1259
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: it was like, wait a minute, like this is real. Yeah,

1260
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 3: like we like we tricked the world like it actually happened.

1261
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: Look like I didn't trick, no, I mean, get it

1262
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 3: in and then we delivered. I'm saying, but it worked,

1263
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: is what I mean. Like yeah, and then and it worked,

1264
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: and that and the snowball that came from his mind,

1265
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: Like the two of us together, we were so because

1266
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: he's a gambler too, we were so in. Yes, we

1267
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 3: were so in tune in, Like if I have fifty

1268
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars, I'll bet fifty one thousand dollars on

1269
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: what I believe, like because I'll drop, I'll lose it

1270
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: all on rather than not take the chance on something

1271
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 3: that I believe can happen that I see now as attainable, right,

1272
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 3: So like and now we're talking like I.

1273
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 6: Mean within that three years, it was in two years,

1274
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 6: three years.

1275
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: I mean he was hot within a year. But within

1276
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 3: three years he had like the number one record on rap,

1277
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: pop and R and B at the same time, the

1278
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: three different records. Like it was like it became like, no.

1279
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: I remember Polo dum forgetting my deal.

1280
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 6: I did my DLJA records, and I just wanted to

1281
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 6: work with all my friends. It was like my way

1282
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 6: of I don't know, I guess that's how I've always been.

1283
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 6: I'm like, if I fuck with you, if I ever

1284
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 6: come buy some money and we can figure out something

1285
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 6: to do together, I want to call you.

1286
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 3: And Polo was one of those calls.

1287
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 6: You were one of those calls right for me to

1288
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 6: work with Polo And I remember him playing me London

1289
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 6: Bridge and I was like, what the fuck? This is

1290
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 6: a great record all time, Valentine, that's time. I'm telling

1291
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 6: you this ship right here so take over the world

1292
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 6: and I'm like, I can't argue with you. It was

1293
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 6: I can't argue this fucking record. I think we were

1294
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 6: at Childless when he played for me. It was just

1295
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 6: like this is special. It was explosive, like this shit

1296
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 6: is what the fuck.

1297
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that just I'm gonna do

1298
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: what you say can't be done right, that's just his

1299
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you I'm one of the greatest, Like yeah,

1300
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: but that's why I'm the ship and why you don't

1301
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: get it, like, and he just goes into the like

1302
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show you, and like

1303
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: and then it's just like and then it's just like

1304
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: and that record. I mean, God, this insanity he put

1305
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: me through with that record, because if you know anything

1306
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: about Polo to Don, he'll give the same record to

1307
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: seventy five people and tell them all like man until

1308
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: they paid for until like yeah ro yeah, I mean

1309
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: and his favorite line to me, ever, you a manager

1310
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: managed the situation. That's why that's what he would say

1311
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: to me again, yeah ro. Like in the craziest like

1312
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 3: he wouldn't tell artists till the day before they were

1313
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: mastering their album and give them my home phone number

1314
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: and they would call me and I wouldn't even know

1315
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: and would be like, like'd be like, oh yeah, I'm

1316
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: trying to clear this record, and I'd be like, okay,

1317
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: cool and playing for me, and I'd.

1318
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 4: Be like that says says as right.

1319
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 3: That's ludacris as single, that's Fergy single, that's this I'm like,

1320
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: what the hell? And I'm like they're like, what do

1321
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: you mean. We already mastered and we already put this

1322
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: guy on it. We are ready. It's like because these

1323
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: are nuclear records cold like like Polo, I don't think

1324
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the catalog most people. Polo doesn't have

1325
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 3: that many album cuts. Polo makes like these, Like a

1326
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 3: lot of guys have these catalogs that are like a

1327
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 3: zillion songs. Polo made the most like punch You in

1328
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: the Face single, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna get

1329
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: this guy with this guy make this record cut and

1330
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: it's like all right, man, go make that, and then

1331
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: he'd make it happen. You'd be like, fuck, okay, now

1332
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: we got it, like and like and that's just kind

1333
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: of how we were. Like everything there was like like

1334
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: a reel run there. Like that was like between what

1335
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: was happening at Interscope with m and Paul and Fifth

1336
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 3: and all those guys and then the Black Eyed Peas

1337
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 3: and then what started to happen with because with Polo

1338
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: on my business because like that was my first management client,

1339
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: right and like like so my company which like so

1340
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 3: fake work was born, and with Polo was hilarious. Yes,

1341
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: it was.

1342
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 6: You call here, you call her company? Fake work was

1343
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 6: the funniest shit to me. I mean because I knew

1344
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 6: you personally. I know you personally, but I knew you personally,

1345
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 6: and I'm like, this is his fuck you to people. Yeah,

1346
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 6: this is his fuck you to people. It's like, yo, listen,

1347
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 6: I get it. I'm Nepo baby. Look at these fucking numbers.

1348
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 6: Look what I've done. Yeah, it kind of draws with you.

1349
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: I want it. Call it fake work. It was a

1350
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: little of both. It was a little of that and

1351
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: a little of Okay, I don't want to get complacent.

1352
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 5: M M.

1353
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: I'm competitive now. If I name my company this and

1354
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 3: I feil I not only embarrassed me, I embarrassed Jimmy,

1355
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: I embarrass everybody. So I have to win if I

1356
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: do this, and I just fucking loved it. It was

1357
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: a great license plate. Like I mean, the shit is crazy,

1358
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: like still my license plates to this day if you

1359
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: walk outside, well like like it like it just kind

1360
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: of was. It just fit like to me. Like the

1361
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 3: other choice for my company name was no Buttons because

1362
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 3: I didn't have any buttons in my closet. I just

1363
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: were and I thought that was funny, but no, it's

1364
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: not fake work. It was like that's where like my

1365
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 3: brain went with everything, and I was like, but fake

1366
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 3: work just kind of cut through and I could tell

1367
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: just from the reaction it either got to laugh or

1368
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: I gotta like it got like a oh man, now

1369
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 3: I got to defend you again for something else, Like

1370
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 3: I remem my brother Chris Clancy, like for who you know, manages,

1371
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 3: but he was my right like I was the A

1372
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 3: and R guy and he was the marketing guy. So

1373
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: we did everything together, every shady, every after, every everything.

1374
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: It was like him and me. And when I named like,

1375
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 3: he was like, bro, like seriously, like I already defend

1376
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 3: you to fucking everybody all the time because you're in

1377
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: nuts and you say the craziest shit all the time

1378
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: and you're just like, you know, marched to the beat

1379
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: of your own drum and do. But now I got

1380
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: to defend. He hated it, but he probably still hates it,

1381
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: but he they don't have to deal with me anymore,

1382
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: so he puts up with it. But like I, it

1383
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: was a lot of both those reactions. But it worked

1384
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: for me because I knew, like I needed that just

1385
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: extra just to try to be to really take it

1386
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: all the way, because at the end of the day,

1387
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: I'm really a family guy who loves being with my family,

1388
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: who loves being at home, who loves doing that more

1389
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: than I really like love being out, love being a studio.

1390
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm competitive and I like doing it, but I needed

1391
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: that extra push to be, like, I gotta be like

1392
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: a one at this at all times, because otherwise I'll

1393
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: make a fool of myself.

1394
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 6: Clearly follows the first management client, Yes, right, and now

1395
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 6: you guys have the song deals all of that, and

1396
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 6: now it's the label time. Yes, and publishing in the

1397
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 6: world of Zone fo break work, Yeah, Ester Dean, Yes.

1398
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 3: Ester Dean comes in. I mean That'ster Dean comes in

1399
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: like five years later. But she got she I mean,

1400
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: Polo saw something I mean, she had already been in Atlanta.

1401
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: She had a deal with she had like a pub

1402
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 3: deal with like a tricky and Mark in them. Yeah

1403
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 3: and shoot. But like I remember Polo call him in

1404
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 3: and be like, man, I got it, I got it,

1405
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: I got the one, I got the one, and I

1406
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: was and he brought I remember him bringing her out

1407
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: to Interscope and introducing her to Jimmy and it just

1408
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: became like one of those like moments. Even though most

1409
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: of Dean's hits ended up not on Interscope like they

1410
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: ended up because if you think about it, if you

1411
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: think about it, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson, Nicki Minaj,

1412
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: none of those records are Interscope.

1413
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 6: No, no, no, but she that grounds of people that don't know,

1414
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 6: as we said, the artists. But let's talk about the

1415
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 6: records though, so people that are just watching that her

1416
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 6: novels are novices toward you know, somebody in inner workings

1417
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 6: and who are the people behind these records?

1418
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 4: Of course, say the records though yes, so esther.

1419
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 3: Dean wrote Rude Boy for Rihanna, and that was like

1420
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 3: really like the first one that really exploded, like and

1421
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,479
Speaker 3: then because she did it with Stargate and then that

1422
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 3: partnership became like her and Polo did records that were like,

1423
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: you know, like throughout the years, like uh Hot Toddy

1424
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: and like Little Freak and like, uh, trying to think

1425
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: of all the records. They had a record that was

1426
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 3: on the Pussycat Dolls. That's invading me at the moment.

1427
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: They had a bunch of they had a bunch of

1428
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: They did the I Think I Love Her for Gucci,

1429
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 3: which is one of my favorite records ever. Completely different, yeah,

1430
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: completely different, But like that run she had with Stargate

1431
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 3: was did they do Fireworks? Boy? They did Firework? They

1432
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 3: did S and m They did what's my Name?

1433
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 5: Do?

1434
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 3: Super Base? Who did? Because she wrote she wrote super Base?

1435
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that's like her. And she wrote another.

1436
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 4: Huge Rihanna record too, What's Name said?

1437
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's my Name? S and m Ude Boy, and

1438
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: then Insane where have you Been? I mean she I mean,

1439
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: she had but like the I mean, Dean just had

1440
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 3: this sound ye and she just had I mean, And

1441
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 3: then she had her own record that Drop It Low,

1442
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: which was another one of those moments. I was at

1443
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: that video shoot, so was I. We were together, but

1444
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 3: it was another one of those moments because that was

1445
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: at a time for Chris after like where in Dean

1446
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: and Dean put I mean Polo put Chris on that record.

1447
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 3: It was adamant, like we're not putting it out, we're

1448
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 3: not doing anything, yes, yeah, and we're not really and

1449
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: he's like nope, he's saying on this record and it's

1450
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: a smash drop it low was what it was called.

1451
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: And it was like the first single from the Lebron

1452
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: James documentary more than a game documentary, and it was

1453
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: a like Dean just was like a like there are

1454
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 3: just moments where you with somebody where like every single

1455
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: thing she did sounded like a hit and it was

1456
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: her voice, but sometimes it was like every artist like

1457
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 3: I can't say it anywhere near as good as her,

1458
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 3: Like then we just put it out with her and

1459
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: say it's me like it was credit like that Kelly

1460
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: Clark song was huge, mister know it all was Dean

1461
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: Like she just had an didn't she end up doing

1462
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: like the Rio song? Yeah, oh no? And then she

1463
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 3: transitioned in then she transitioned to pitch Perfect. She was

1464
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: in all the Pitch Perfect movies. She did the theme

1465
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 3: for she like literally Dean was like, DJ, I want

1466
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 3: to go. I want to be in movies. I want

1467
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: to do voices. So my boy, Tony Siler, who ran

1468
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: TV in film and asgo the Coorse guys guy, He's like,

1469
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: I'll set you up a meeting at Universal. We went

1470
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 3: to one meeting. She left with a job, like like

1471
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: she left with like an acting role, a voiceover roll, and.

1472
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 4: Then managing Dean at the time.

1473
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I managed Dean through that whole thing till

1474
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 3: the tail end of that run. But like she had

1475
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 3: and she was she was her own. She was a

1476
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 3: piece of work herself. But she was awesome, such an awesome,

1477
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: such an awesome person, so fun.

1478
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 4: And then y'all also had hit Boy in Chase.

1479
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 3: Yes, hip Boy was the first signee to the publishing company. Yeah,

1480
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 3: like so it was like hit Boy the publishing company.

1481
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: And then the label was like because we didn't have

1482
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: a label yet, but like so now I'm backtracking a

1483
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 3: couple of years, but the label was we wanted to

1484
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 3: sign artists, right, and we had two artists that we

1485
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: wanted to sign, like, you gotta let us sign. Ron

1486
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: Gillier were still running urban music at the time at Interscope.

1487
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: You gotta let us sign these two artists. We had

1488
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 3: rich Boy, Rich Boy and this other artist who was

1489
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 3: singing the hooks on two of the songs on Rich

1490
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: Boy's demo. We wanted to sign both, but we were

1491
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 3: told you only can sign one, and you guys should

1492
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: sign the rapper because you guys work more in rap

1493
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: music your rapper, Like that's more what you are. The

1494
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: guy singing the hooks on those songs was Acon.

1495
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 4: Man, So wait, wait, wait, he was singing the hooks

1496
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 4: on Rich White songs.

1497
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I want to know kill, I still kill.

1498
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: I gotta find that demo tape somewhere. But it was

1499
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: like yeah, and Acon ended up being somewhat successful.

1500
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 6: What like at the end, back around and doing a

1501
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 6: deal with y'all from the label side right.

1502
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 3: After he ended up. So, Steve Rifkin, I love so

1503
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: I'm happy Steve, all the money you made made because

1504
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 3: they had a kon ended up on SRC. But uh,

1505
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: like he literally was like, because you know, they're always

1506
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: like I tell stories, and I always like kind of

1507
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: like I don't want to say out people, but I

1508
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 3: just tell the truth. So and like back in the day,

1509
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 3: people were wrong a lot because it wasn't like it

1510
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 3: is today where but I mean, but a lot more

1511
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 3: of signings and things are done based on numbers. You're

1512
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: signing something that's already taking off somewhere and you're acquiring

1513
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 3: it and you're hoping they're good, and then you try

1514
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 3: to figure it out after and like, hope they are

1515
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 3: willing to develop artists wise like there, but sometimes you're

1516
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 3: just acquiring and praying for rain. Back then, it was

1517
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: a lot more like you know, you had to like

1518
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 3: you had Yeah, I was galling. Yeah, it was like

1519
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 3: with everything. So I tell a lot of stories.

1520
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 6: So were you Okay, let's ask then our ass Were

1521
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 6: you trying to do the Akond deal?

1522
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: You were trying to do that? Oh? Of course we

1523
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: wanted both. We wanted both, but I understood why would

1524
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: they give us a chance for both? We hadn't done

1525
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 3: anything at that point, so like, why would they let

1526
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: usign two artists? It was there was cocky and greedy,

1527
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 3: but fuck it, we thought they were both great, like

1528
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 3: and it was like and I mean, I still believe

1529
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 3: Which Boy is one of the most underrated albums that

1530
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 3: like that I've been a part of. I think it's

1531
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: an incredible debut album, and then it kind of everything

1532
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 3: kind of went left after that. But like Acon was

1533
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 3: and then what I was saying was I tell those

1534
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 3: stories and like it might sound like like I'm talking

1535
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 3: calling people out when they're wrong or whatever, but I

1536
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 3: do it to myself too, Like I've been wrong a lot,

1537
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: but like it's because I believe in things, and I

1538
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: take chances on the things I believe in. But like

1539
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 3: on the Acon one, missing out on that one really

1540
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: double hurt us because a year or two later or whatever,

1541
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: there was this artist that we desperately wanted to sign

1542
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 3: that my boy, actually my boy stat Quo ended up

1543
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 3: on the remix to the song that ended up launching

1544
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: this guy at least a version that played in LA

1545
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 3: and that's how I even heard it to begin with.

1546
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 3: But that artist ended up being T Pain that we

1547
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 3: were desperately to sign, and who did he ended up

1548
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 3: signing to, but Acon, who obviously if he was with us,

1549
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 3: would have been like so like if you think about

1550
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 3: the how much that one not happening turned into Yeah,

1551
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: like think about Zone four at the beginning with Acon

1552
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 3: and t Pain like is like insane. Yeah, Like it's

1553
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 3: like it's like and who knows how it would have

1554
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 3: played out if Acon was with us, if you but

1555
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: you never know because things change when they when relationships change.

1556
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 3: But if you just do it like on the odds,

1557
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: like we ended up losing the other artists we really

1558
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: wanted to the artists we didn't sign because he took

1559
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: it to jive, you know, cause Acon took pain to

1560
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 3: drive or did a deal there like his con whatever

1561
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: that was with Divine and whatever they would do. But yeah,

1562
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 3: so like that was like so like. But so we

1563
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 3: had rich Boy on the artist's side and then Kerry Hillson.

1564
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 3: Those were the two artists that we started. Kerry was

1565
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 3: a joint with Timbaland, and then we had the publishing side.

1566
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 3: Polo had these guys he heard on I don't want

1567
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: to misspeak, but I think MySpace. They hit him up

1568
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: on MySpace something like that, and it was these two

1569
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 3: young like, uh, well, hip Boy was from the Eye,

1570
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 3: but I think Chase was staying Attitude's from Borland. But

1571
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 3: like and we met them like right around when we

1572
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 3: put out London Bridge. So it's like right, all that

1573
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 3: was like happening at the same time in six So

1574
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: Hip Boy was nineteen, Chase was around the same age

1575
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 3: and might be exactly the same age actually, and but

1576
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: like so they've been with us, and they were with

1577
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: us from that moment as well. So Polo really like

1578
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: together we had something special. And Polo really I don't

1579
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 3: think he gets credit for how good of a talent

1580
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: finder he really is. Yeah, well across the board, so

1581
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: producers to songwriters, to artists and the visionary and what.

1582
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 6: He sees to question a question for that, Yeah, right,

1583
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 6: because there was this whole thing about hip Boy being

1584
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 6: in a publishing deal for fifteen thirty years. Yeah, and

1585
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 6: you being the publisher with that. Yeah, what is the

1586
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 6: story today?

1587
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 3: I mean, the real story is hip Boy's the first

1588
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: person we ever signed. Okay, we had a joint venture

1589
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 3: with Universal shit the I mean very simply the amount

1590
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: of money we were given to sign our first artist.

1591
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: Being able to give them each fifty grand sounded like

1592
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: the greatest thing in the whole universe, like they had

1593
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: never done anything. And like even when I talked to

1594
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 3: Hit at that time, he was telling us that his

1595
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 3: other offers were like five grand, ten grand. So to us,

1596
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 3: we were like, okay, we have this, let's five exit.

1597
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: Forget about giving him twenty twenty five, let's give him

1598
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 3: fifty and like and start this process. And back then

1599
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 3: those deals were like like the same deal Polo signed.

1600
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 3: Polo's deal was for more money, but it was still

1601
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 3: eight hundred percent MDRC and the records have to come

1602
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: out and they have to be licensed and they have

1603
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 3: to be this like it was like the craziest process

1604
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: of all time just to get a song to count

1605
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: that even was out. Forget about having all those songs

1606
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 3: even come out. They even once they came out, Oh,

1607
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 3: the splits aren't settled. This isn't settled. Like that process

1608
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 3: was crazy. But when we did that deal, we thought

1609
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: we were doing something like we weren't, like we didn't

1610
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 3: think we got over on anybody. We were like shit,

1611
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: like we like they gave us, like they're giving us

1612
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 3: a little chance at they given us one hundred grand.

1613
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 3: Fuck it, we're giving it to these two guys, all

1614
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: of it. We're betting on them. Like so to us,

1615
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 3: it was like that was the most we We couldn't

1616
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 3: have given them sixty grand. We couldn't have gotten cleared.

1617
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 6: So that was it, like we maxed so like it

1618
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 6: was never that from my understanding, right, I'm on it

1619
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 6: on the outside looking in.

1620
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 4: It was never about the actual money that was given.

1621
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: Was no, were so about No, I wasn't done with

1622
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 3: That was the start of the Yeah, and then as

1623
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 3: the years go on, then like what happened was it

1624
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: took them a few years to have success, like hit

1625
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: like their first big records were like that, Uh the

1626
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: song with Eminem and Lil Wayne dropped the world. Oh yeah,

1627
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 3: and then obviously hip Boy did Paris for Kanye and

1628
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: Jay and like. But at that point, Polo and I

1629
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 3: had stopped working together, so like I was still managing

1630
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: hit Boy, but like it was so I was still

1631
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 3: working with hit Boy and Chase, but Polo and I

1632
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 3: had gone our separate ways. Everything was fine, but it

1633
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 3: was just we were doing separate businesses and right as

1634
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 3: all the as he was starting to actually make money.

1635
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 3: So now like it's now twenty twelve. That deal was

1636
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, so now he's finally starting

1637
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 3: to like have motion whatever. And then hit Boy decides

1638
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 3: he wants to do the artist thing. We do his

1639
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 3: label deal at Innerscope. He's doing the artist thing, the

1640
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 3: production thing, gets a great deal over there as well.

1641
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: Hit Boy had a deal there as well. I stopped

1642
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 3: working with hip Boy as well. So now hit Boy

1643
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 3: by the time hit Boy and we were trying to

1644
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 3: fix they were trying to fix that deal. None of

1645
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: the people that were working with him and it originally

1646
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 3: are still a part of it. So now he's trying

1647
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 3: to and I was no longer a part of the company,

1648
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 3: like Polo and I had gone our separate way. As

1649
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 3: Polo maintained the company, I maintained my management company. We

1650
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 3: decided we wanted to be clean and befriends and like

1651
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 3: that was what it was going to be. So as

1652
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 3: that happened, like hit Boy got caught up, I think

1653
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 3: and like he went to Rock Nation. They were trying

1654
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 3: to say they could get him out, they were going

1655
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 3: to do this. I don't think Polo was aggressively Like again,

1656
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 3: I'm speaking for Polo enough for myself, but I don't

1657
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 3: feel like he was ever aggressively like no, we're not

1658
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 3: letting him out here, like all right, figure it out,

1659
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 3: like universal, you figure it out like whatever. Like because

1660
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: he had options and he had deals, and then he

1661
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: took another advance and then it was like OK, and

1662
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 3: like and then it just became that snowball, and it

1663
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: just like became this long drawn out process because he

1664
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: was still in this crazy deal. I can't speak to

1665
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: the business side of it because if you look at

1666
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 3: it now, in twenty twenty six, twenty years ago, he

1667
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 3: signed an insane publishing if you looked at it today,

1668
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 3: like options and how many songs you got to deliver

1669
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 3: each time? And but that's what it was back then.

1670
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't like we like we literally thought we were

1671
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 3: doing something for two guys that like hadn't didn't have

1672
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: a placement of any kind yet. Right, we were just

1673
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: betting on him. And as we everything grew, he moved

1674
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 3: Hippoy and Chase down to Atlanta. They were all in

1675
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 3: like Zach's when we rented just goed, rented the whole

1676
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 3: studio out. We had a whole world down there, like

1677
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 3: we were putting everything every dollar. The label was never

1678
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 3: profitable because we were trying to make it bigger and

1679
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: bigger and bigger and bigger, because we were like, no,

1680
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 3: let's reinvest, let's get make them rent the studio thre

1681
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: hundred sixty five days a year, Let's have everybody come

1682
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 3: down here. Let's pay for everybody.

1683
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: To live here.

1684
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 3: Let's bet like it was like just groundswell of that

1685
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 3: and so it's it's really unfortunate. Like me and Hit

1686
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 3: connected over the years a few times and like like

1687
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 3: we're cool and now like hip hooy just did verses

1688
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 3: against Mike Cups, obviously my business partner, and like so

1689
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 3: like so I was cool, cool moment he said something

1690
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 3: really nice about me on stage. That was awesome, But

1691
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: like it's a shame that that happened the way it did.

1692
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 3: And it wasn't And it was like frustrations boiling over

1693
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 3: and something that I think I believe if I was

1694
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 3: still involved, would have been handled very easily, Like it

1695
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 3: would have just been like, let's figure out a way

1696
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 3: to prose, we'll give him his own deal, we'll fix this,

1697
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: we'll do this, we'll still partner you in this way.

1698
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 3: It's not it wasn't. I don't believe it was that hard.

1699
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 3: It was just like a lot of not no, not

1700
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 3: even miscommunication, A lot of no communication is what it

1701
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: felt very important. Yeah, no communication is very and like

1702
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: and once I wasn't involved, me stepping in, I was

1703
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 3: like almost like I don't want to say the bad guy,

1704
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 3: but I was almost like the bad guy in every situation.

1705
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: There was no there was no winning for me. I

1706
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: just wanted everybody to be happy and help. But like

1707
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 3: I wasn't in any part of the business. So my

1708
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 3: opinion was like, yeah, that's cool, but like, what's your

1709
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: skinning it? What do you lose if this happens? Nothing,

1710
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 3: So like that's like, we appreciate your input and advice,

1711
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 3: but like I wasn't working with hippoy or or Polo

1712
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 3: at that time, so like, and I didn't work at

1713
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: Universal Publishing ever, and I didn't even like and at

1714
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 3: that point I didn't even work at Universal anymore. Jimmy

1715
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: and I had left, so like I wasn't even like

1716
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 3: in the building to go down the street to like

1717
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 3: be like, yo, come on, Like it wasn't like me

1718
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 3: and eatth the OPI and all that stuff we had

1719
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: done that wasn't the because we could have fixed that.

1720
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I asked that because a lot of people

1721
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 6: don't they see headline of course, and they don't. They

1722
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 6: don't they don't know the inner workings of business and

1723
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 6: why these things are drug are dragged out, Yeah, the

1724
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 6: way they are sometimes and the unfortunate side of all

1725
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 6: the other intricate parts that people don't know about. If

1726
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 6: it's a renegotiation, if it's you know this MDRC, if

1727
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 6: it's you know, these certain deal points weren't met. Yeah,

1728
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 6: because that's the thing. Like, publishing is a very tricky business.

1729
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 6: It's a very tricky business, a penny business. And the

1730
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 6: whole process behind publishing is for the these publishing companies,

1731
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 6: these major companies, to hold you in it as long

1732
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 6: as they can.

1733
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 3: Yes, So it's like, oh yeah, that don't count. Yeah,

1734
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 3: but it's gotten better. But back then, I mean the

1735
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 3: mdr C, Like you're literally talking about eight songs, and

1736
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 3: you know, you tell them eight songs, people think that

1737
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 3: means eight songs. Like if you have ten percent of songs,

1738
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 3: that's eighty songs, that's thirty two you know what I mean? Yeah,

1739
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 3: I mean, And like so you're and they had to

1740
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 3: be released on majors, and it had to be albums,

1741
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 3: not EPs and sometimes soundtracks.

1742
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 4: And sometimes they don't found them on one album.

1743
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 3: We'll capture capped out at six songs are like one

1744
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 3: hundred percent on an album and your capped out like

1745
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 3: so like there were so many ways to keep you

1746
01:18:51,800 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 3: in the JEP literally One of my proudest moments, which

1747
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 3: is kind of comes from publishing, is Polo was at

1748
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 3: the end of his deal. Polo's at the end of no,

1749
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 3: not his deal. He was at the end of one

1750
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: of his periods of his deal, and we were like

1751
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 3: fifty percent away from being them having to exercise the

1752
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 3: next option. Polo is white hot at this point, white hot,

1753
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 3: like he the hot at his peak. Privately, I think

1754
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 3: he was the number two writer in Universal at the

1755
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 3: time or something like that. He was like it was

1756
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: puloded on at his peak. He had done two songs

1757
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: on the Field Mob album that would have qualified him

1758
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 3: for the uh so it would have once they uh yeah,

1759
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 3: once they counted, it would have done. So my boy

1760
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 3: worked it in his scope and he helped and they

1761
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 3: I sent it in and I called and I said,

1762
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: when these two songs license were good And of course

1763
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 3: they weren't rushing to license it because Polo's next option

1764
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 3: was it wasn't even that big. It was crazy. His

1765
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: option was like two hundred grand up front, but they

1766
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 3: owed him like a million five in royalty, so it

1767
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 3: didn't even matter. If they would have given him two

1768
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 3: hundred they just would have paid him one point three

1769
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 3: two months later, but like, so having this conversation, so

1770
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: it was just and this is what I mean by

1771
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 3: just people getting in their own way, just stupid. So

1772
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 3: like I go, okay, fine, you don't want to pay

1773
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: him yet they were just pushing it on. I don't

1774
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: know if it was the next quarter whatever, dumb thing.

1775
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: So I got the two songs licensed, but I didn't

1776
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 3: say anything about it. I just got him licensed, got

1777
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 3: them official dated licensed, and then I Doug Davis and

1778
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 3: I was sent in the option notice but said nothing.

1779
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 3: Just sent in the option notice and like thirty days later,

1780
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 3: they didn't respond. Polo was out of his publishing deal.

1781
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 3: Oh shit, the hottest producer in the game was out

1782
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 3: of his publishing deal because they didn't respond. Yeah, and

1783
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 3: they they did next second thirty days exercize your option.

1784
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: No response, and it's like, well they responsive, Well you

1785
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 3: didn't like the songs aren't licensed. So I said no, look,

1786
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: and it was like thirty eight days ago. I waited

1787
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 3: a few extra days to say and in the system

1788
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: it said like whatever day and it was like six

1789
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: weeks and it was like they're out, oh shit, Like

1790
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 3: there was no yeah, and so let's just say we

1791
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 3: re signed with Universal for a tad more than two

1792
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars.

1793
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 6: I'm sure, and probably more than at one point three

1794
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 6: down on top of.

1795
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 3: That, so much more like it was like I remember

1796
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: Colling Polo going like we did it, like it happened,

1797
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 3: like oh my god, like oh my god, like it

1798
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: was like and it worked. And it was like, which

1799
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: was a little crazy because I worked at Universal Atis,

1800
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 3: so it was like I have this like crazy thing

1801
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: because I worked for Jimmy. But at the same time,

1802
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 3: like I was like loyal. I mean, I'm I'm I'm

1803
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 3: a team sports player. I'm loyal guy. But at the

1804
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 3: same time, I care more about my clients and my

1805
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 3: business than I do about like if people are like

1806
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 3: when they jerked me around and didn't want to we

1807
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: needed the two hundred gand for something I think we

1808
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 3: wanted to put it into. If I remember what year

1809
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 3: it was, I don't know. If it was like there

1810
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: was a record we wanted to like put money behind

1811
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 3: on our own and pull the man, just go get

1812
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 3: that money, tell me you want this right now, and

1813
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 3: like pay us right and I'll put it in this

1814
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 3: And they said no, and it was like, oh fuck,

1815
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 3: I like, dude, you always like literally, you're gonna give

1816
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 3: it to us in two months. He's your hottest writer,

1817
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 3: he's working with everybody you want. You don't want to

1818
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: just advance us twelve percent of what you owe us already,

1819
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: Like it's the stupidest thing ever just to say what

1820
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 3: just like to make him happy? No, okay, fine, And

1821
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: I just never mentioned it again. I was like, I'm

1822
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: not gonna argue with you. I'm just gonna go and

1823
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 3: like it was like one of those moments where it

1824
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, I can do anything. Like it

1825
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 3: was like like like I like, attention to detail is

1826
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 3: not not especially in the two thousands, So the nineties

1827
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 3: two thousand was not like expertise up in most of

1828
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 3: those places. It was like very like running a million

1829
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: miles an hour trying to keep up with Jimmy or

1830
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 3: whatever idea he had, and like all the staff meetings

1831
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 3: were like us keeping up with him really and being

1832
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 3: prepared and allays being a week behind his next idea

1833
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 3: and playing like running after it like it was. But

1834
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 3: it was, I mean that time at Inniscope Records was

1835
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems compared to like when you go

1836
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: to record labels today and nothing against it, but it's

1837
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 3: very like sterile and very own kind company, your company,

1838
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 3: f so you know I mean, but I mean yes,

1839
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 3: but I'm talking about like the amount of artists walking

1840
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: through there, the energy unfair in the studio building, the

1841
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 3: studio across the street. Ron's working on the fourth floor,

1842
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: Artists running running into my office, going up to Jimmy's

1843
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 3: office for the meeting, then coming back and parking themselves

1844
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 3: in my office the rest of the day arguing about songs.

1845
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: I had, like the sports ticker running around. I had

1846
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 3: like gambling people playing cards at my desk, records playing

1847
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 3: like three sports batt Yeah, everybody just like there's gambling

1848
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: going on, there's records. It's like Sewan, Garrett and Polo

1849
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 3: arguing about a record over there, like fucking like Drake

1850
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: showed up a few times like before well before he

1851
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 3: signed anywhere, because he was close with it boy and

1852
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 3: Chase yeah with a hollow backt slack when they were

1853
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: running around at the beginning, like it was like all

1854
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 3: these different and just different artists and just coming to

1855
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,879
Speaker 3: sh that time at Jasper just showed up there randomly

1856
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: because he came up with I think Dallas or somebody

1857
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 3: and showed up my office wearing a highlighter yellow outfit

1858
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 3: and just sat there for ten minutes, and I was like,

1859
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 3: this is the greatest guy of all time and he's

1860
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 3: still one of my dearest friends of the day, like

1861
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: all these things, and it was like that energy was

1862
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 3: like that's like the most special time, Like just there

1863
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 3: was those years that were just like and you couldn't miss,

1864
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 3: Like it was really like we were making records, like

1865
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 3: a gold record was a disaster, right, platinum record was

1866
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: like all right, fine, you can show your face kind

1867
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 3: of thing.

1868
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 6: Like it was like but it was not because you know,

1869
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 6: it was happening at such a high level.

1870
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 4: It was happening.

1871
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 3: It was like everything that could happen. And then y'all.

1872
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 6: Also another thing that I feel like Polo deserves more

1873
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 6: credit for is being a producer to break artists right,

1874
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 6: because every producer can't do that right. Every producer can,

1875
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 6: every producer tries, but actually accomplishing that, like especially out

1876
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 6: the Gate with Rich Boy, and then now y'all move

1877
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 6: into this R and B space and y'all got Kerry

1878
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 6: Hilson because.

1879
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 3: Esther Dean was a little more. She was hip hop

1880
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 3: R and B.

1881
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 6: She was she was a hip hop R and B artist,

1882
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 6: even even though she's a really great singer. To me,

1883
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 6: she skewed from her artistry. It still felt hip hop.

1884
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 6: Am I wrong in saying that?

1885
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: No? It was also it was also later, But.

1886
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 6: I'm just saying I'm talking about that. I'm just talking

1887
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 6: about the artist that he's working on. Yes, I feel

1888
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 6: like Carrie was the straight ahead R and B artist

1889
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 6: for you guys, and and when she came it was like, Okay,

1890
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 6: can he pull this off?

1891
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 4: To me?

1892
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 6: When I when I saw it, because I had also

1893
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 6: known Carrie. I known Carrie from when she was in

1894
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 6: the group with Anthony Dent from The Hitman and the

1895
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 6: group had performed for me and me and Carrie is funny.

1896
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 6: When she came on the podcast, we talked about it

1897
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 6: and I was like, Oh, she's dope, and me and

1898
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 6: her got cool after that roundabout through Ethiopia and we're

1899
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 6: writing songs together. So when she did the deal with

1900
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 6: Polo and then y'all brought in Timberland or she brought.

1901
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 3: Into the deal was done with them. It was a

1902
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 3: joint with the two of them. It was just like, Okay,

1903
01:25:59,160 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 3: how does this work.

1904
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 4: You got these two super producers at the time.

1905
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 6: You got Polo who's been more so concentrated on being

1906
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 6: like a hip hop producer and having these big beats

1907
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 6: to this whole thing, and then now you got straight

1908
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 6: Ahead R and b artists. Y'all pulled that shit off.

1909
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a it was a it was a

1910
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,919
Speaker 3: long time coming. Yeah, and it was a very unique

1911
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 3: situation because now we're getting into a lot of different

1912
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 3: things on how that all came together. But like Polo

1913
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 3: and Timberland already had to deal it. Timberland had a

1914
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 3: deal it in Polo didn't technically have a deal. He

1915
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 3: was just at Interscope all the time because he was

1916
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 3: with me. So when we did the deal for Carrie,

1917
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, they're gonna split it.

1918
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 6: But wait, so y'all didn't. He didn't have a deal

1919
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 6: at Interscope. For Ridgeboy, he had like a one off.

1920
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 3: But like Zone four, it wasn't a label label because

1921
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 3: if it was a label, we would have signed an

1922
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 3: we would have signed them like so like it was

1923
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 3: like they gave us a chance, and they gave us

1924
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 3: a chance. With Rich Boy, it was like a one

1925
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 3: or like a production deal, but like a treated like

1926
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 3: a like a JV. And then Carrie we got that

1927
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 3: second ants because it was basically Timberland's deal where because

1928
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,560
Speaker 3: he had the label and we gave Polo half like

1929
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 3: it was Polo's deal, but I mean that's how it

1930
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 3: worked and Timberland. So now that whole thing happens, We

1931
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 3: sign Carrie and now there's like this low we're trying

1932
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 3: to figure out what it's going to be, and Timberland

1933
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 3: had this. Timbland ends up losing his deal at Intersculle,

1934
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 3: like Timberland and Jimmy kind of like split ways. And

1935
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: now we're we're trying to figure out care Polo, we're

1936
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 3: trying figure out to him. We're still working on the music.

1937
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 3: But like the because Timberland's original company was called beat Club,

1938
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 3: and the Beat Club was was Bubba and Miss Jade

1939
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 3: and a bunch of the artists. Yeah, Cary Hilson was

1940
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 3: like on the tail end of that, and I don't

1941
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 3: remember if she had technically signed to Beat Club, but

1942
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 3: she was Timbaland and and poland Polo. And then what

1943
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 3: happened was Timbland, Like I remember, like Timblands now out

1944
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: of the Interscull building but was still working on Carry

1945
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 3: Hilson and Polo callsby one and he goes, man, DJ,

1946
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 3: you gotta come to Miami. I'm like, I don't want

1947
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 3: to come to Miami. It's far, it's far. You gotta

1948
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 3: come to Miami. Man, I'm telling you, you got to

1949
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 3: come see Timbaland I'm like, all right. He goes, No,

1950
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 3: you don't get it. You don't get it. You got

1951
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 3: to come see Timbling. So I came down there and

1952
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 3: I hear the beginning of what is this next run,

1953
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 3: which is danger Hands, Timberling, Carrie, all those guys. So

1954
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 3: that beginning of that energy and that whole thing. And

1955
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 3: then I called Jimmy from there and I go, Jimmy,

1956
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 3: we got to give Timbland another label deal and he

1957
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 3: goes part. He goes, you're out of your fucking mind.

1958
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,480
Speaker 3: I remember the other thid. I go, I'm telling you

1959
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 3: you have to do it. Polo was hitting him on

1960
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 3: the side to like, you got, Jimmy, you gotta beat

1961
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 3: with Tim. I go just take the meeting, Please take

1962
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 3: the meeting. Timbland comes to La and he plays a

1963
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 3: few demos. Carry was on them like whatever, right right,

1964
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 3: Jimmy looked. I remember him looking at me like yesterday,

1965
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 3: like he just looks and I saw the face and

1966
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this deal is getting done. In

1967
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 3: the next twelve hours. I was like I knew it

1968
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 3: and he knew it, and that turned into this magical

1969
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean shit, Timberland took over. Like if you think

1970
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 3: of that run Timberland had from two thousand and six

1971
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: to two thousand and eleven, yeah or whatever, that was, Like,

1972
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't because that's the is that the Nelly.

1973
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 3: Nelly thought, well, that's where that whole thing came from.

1974
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: That whole thing came from. So now once Jimmy does

1975
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 3: that deal, they send me the Nelly Fortato album and

1976
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, they had a record together back in

1977
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 3: the day, get Timberland to do a song. We listened

1978
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: to the album and no disrespect, we were like, oh,

1979
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 3: hell no, we're not putting Timberland's new sound on this.

1980
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: We'll do it if you put it on a label

1981
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 3: and we get to redo the whole album that was finished,

1982
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 3: or at least not it was presented to me it's finished.

1983
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 3: It was like Polly and my guy Tom Panuncio and

1984
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 3: but Jimmy was exciting. I listen. I remember calling Jimmy

1985
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 3: and being like, this is what it's got to be

1986
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 3: if you believe in it, because we will deliver. Like

1987
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 3: Tim's excited about it. And I remember hitting me every

1988
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 3: day like what's gonna happen? Is it gonnappen? I'm torturing Jimmy,

1989
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 3: and He's like, I'm working on it. I'm working on it.

1990
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 3: And we got it done, and we went in and

1991
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: we went to the hit factory. I spent so many

1992
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: days at the Mandarin Oriental in Miami, like I can't

1993
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 3: even count, like because they would only work in the

1994
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: middle of the night, so I'm just sitting there every day.

1995
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 3: But like, and we made that album, and that album

1996
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 3: turned into Obviously, then he continues to go work with Justin.

1997
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 3: Then he made Shock Value and then and like that

1998
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 3: run it was a way to kick off Carrie and

1999
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 3: it was a way to and it was like in

2000
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 3: the meantime, we were like figuring out like if those

2001
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: records were gonna stick with Cary because then by the time,

2002
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 3: if you think about it, by the time Carrie came out,

2003
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: even though she was a part of that sound, she

2004
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 3: was like at the tail end of it, you know

2005
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like she even though she was such

2006
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 3: a major part in the creation of it, it almost

2007
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 3: felt like she was like the aph artist to do

2008
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 3: it now because those records hadn't come out with her

2009
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 3: on it, so like Nelly had done it, justin had

2010
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: done it. The Pussycat Dolls had a song that was

2011
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 3: originally a carry song wait a minute on the album,

2012
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 3: Like those songs like I ended up becoming like, oh shit,

2013
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 3: I'm a writer to while we're figuring it all out,

2014
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 3: like what is the then? But then like and then

2015
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 3: it was like, okay, now we have this Timblan's hot,

2016
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 3: Polo's hot, but what's the record? What's the record? And

2017
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 3: that was that moment when like Polo played Turning Me.

2018
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 6: On on was like, oh shit, I still remember and

2019
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 6: I'm sure I said it on the on the on

2020
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 6: the show before. I still remember Ethiopia playing me that

2021
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 6: record and where I was like, you know, that's when

2022
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 6: to me, that's when things are special.

2023
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 3: Imber where I was the first time I heard.

2024
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 6: Grinding by the Clips, And I remember where I was

2025
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 6: the first time I heard Turning Me On. It was

2026
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 6: at the valet of the Westwood w right by where

2027
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 6: I lived at the time, and Ethiopia was like, you

2028
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 6: got to hear this record.

2029
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 3: I just need to need to know what you think because.

2030
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 4: It was so different.

2031
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, so people could act like it was oh yeah, no, no, no,

2032
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 6: really different. I was like, what the fuck is that?

2033
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 6: And why is that not the first record? Yea, oh

2034
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 6: you know the record is it's different than that. And

2035
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 6: I'm like, because I went to the first video was Energy.

2036
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 6: It was Energy, She's boxing the host. I was at

2037
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 6: the video set and I'm like, this ain't turning.

2038
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,600
Speaker 3: Me on this. I think it was just because you

2039
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 3: weren't in the video.

2040
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I had nothing to do with it.

2041
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 3: I had nothing to do with it.

2042
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 4: It just wasn't turning me on.

2043
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 3: Brother. I was like, no, yo, you're right. Who song.

2044
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 4: It's a rocket ship? There are the shot guy in

2045
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 4: your pocket.

2046
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 3: To break an artist and really try to cut through

2047
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 3: in the lane she was trying to cut through, and

2048
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 3: you had to have something that made people say what

2049
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 3: the fuck is that? And it's just kind of like

2050
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 3: what like the bridge was for Fergie Hell and like

2051
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 3: cause it was like, cause you think about London Bridge

2052
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 3: for Fergie, it was like a lot of like when

2053
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 3: we were making that album, Fergie's album, Like they were

2054
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 3: great songs, but like some of them sounded like Black

2055
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 3: Eyedeace songs. The Black Eyed Peas just weren't off right

2056
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 3: Likeeople Master at that time. Like it was like like,

2057
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 3: you know, like those other songs sounded like like beep

2058
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 3: and a couple of the other ones sounded like people

2059
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 3: supposed to get thos no. But the what was the

2060
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 3: second record from I'm Trying to Fur Delicious was like

2061
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 3: sounded like a like it was an incredible record, but

2062
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 3: it sounded like a continuation of the incredible hits, the

2063
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 3: black ib ribbing over and over it with diamond Diamond, Diamond,

2064
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 3: diamond diamond. But it just like but to have ferd

2065
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 3: you have a project that stood out, I was like

2066
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 3: we needed like something that was like who the fuck

2067
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 3: is that? Like you play and you don't know who

2068
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 3: the fuck it is? Right Like Turned Me On was

2069
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 3: kind of like that. Like it was like like Wayne

2070
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 3: was as white hot as anybody could be, and we

2071
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 3: got him on Paula, I Told you, I Got you

2072
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 3: and then him calling it coining miscarry baby, like it

2073
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 3: was like the whole like her Mane and him saying

2074
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 3: it was just like you know yeah, because he was like,

2075
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 3: you know carry.

2076
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 6: And now he has at this point, he has two

2077
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 6: solidified breakout artists.

2078
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It made like hit songs, made.

2079
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 6: Hit songs from them. Nobody had heard these artists publicly

2080
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 6: before this. And to me, like I said, I don't,

2081
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 6: I don't think as a producer, Polo gets the credit

2082
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 6: for that. And obviously, you know he ended up he

2083
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 6: was the first one to bring back this black cowboy thing.

2084
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 3: I mean with with.

2085
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 6: Kane Brown or another conversation I remember having with him

2086
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 6: with I don't change the word again.

2087
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 4: You know he's black.

2088
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 6: You're like, I'm like, ba, I could tell he's black. No, no, no,

2089
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 6: you don't back he black. I'm like, I know he's black,

2090
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 6: Polo up right, But.

2091
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 3: You don't get it.

2092
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 8: You don't get it.

2093
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna be great.

2094
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 6: You always say that if you don't agree fast enough,

2095
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 6: you don't get it. If you knew better, you do,

2096
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 6: which is another part where I remember telling him. I said, bro,

2097
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 6: you're so important to the music business because you're willing

2098
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 6: to stand on the table yep, literally willing to stand

2099
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 6: on the table where most people will just sit in

2100
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 6: the corner. And when you're trying to break new artists,

2101
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 6: you're trying to break writers, trying to tell people that

2102
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 6: this is the next thing.

2103
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 4: You can't just be like, yay, this is cool when

2104
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 4: I got this.

2105
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 6: It has to be you don't understand this is the greatest,

2106
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 6: because I'm the greatest, and I know what the greatest

2107
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 6: sound like.

2108
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 4: And you got to don King this thing, right.

2109
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 6: And I've always had so much respect for him and

2110
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 6: just that confidence to do that and to be one

2111
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 6: of those people in our business, because when people don't

2112
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 6: agree and maybe it doesn't work, it's even more magnified,

2113
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 6: right because just like you said, if you're wrong on

2114
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 6: some things, they love to Oh.

2115
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing better than that. Like I know for

2116
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 3: a fact that like even though it was our company

2117
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 3: or whatever, there were people rooting against our record, sure

2118
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 3: because just because we had such a stranglehold obviously Jimie

2119
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 3: obviously like we had such like a in and like

2120
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 3: if it started working, it was just you know, our world,

2121
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 3: and no. Polo really is a very very unique talent

2122
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 3: because of his ability to live in both his real

2123
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 3: ability to put artists together that other people wouldn't do,

2124
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 3: to try things that other people wouldn't do, and be

2125
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 3: a recommend and be a recommend and be able to

2126
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 3: walk in those rooms and sell it and like really

2127
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 3: like yeah, like we yin and Yang me and him,

2128
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,679
Speaker 3: like when we like wanted something, we very rarely didn't

2129
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 3: get it, so like it was like it was a

2130
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: very and like, you know, we weren't right all the time,

2131
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 3: but we had a really good batting and we like

2132
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 3: that's part of the business, you know, and like but

2133
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 3: like but like we really complimented each other well, and

2134
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 3: it was a really really good run that you know,

2135
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 3: I regret ended, like because but it's it's life. It's

2136
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's part of that and I and I

2137
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,759
Speaker 3: and it's business. And to be fair, I was blessed

2138
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 3: with working with somebody else for the last fifteen years.

2139
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:53,679
Speaker 6: My segue now of then you go and you connect

2140
01:36:53,680 --> 01:37:01,440
Speaker 6: with Mike will and y'all go on another massive, massive run.

2141
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 3: And credit god of money making that got him out.

2142
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 3: Matt big Neil was trying to sign Mike to publishing,

2143
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:15,759
Speaker 3: Okay to Ethiopia. Paulo and I weren't working together anymore.

2144
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 3: Ethiopia calls me and says, you have to go to Atlanta.

2145
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 3: You have to go meet Mike will And I was like,

2146
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 3: I was aware of who he was. He had records

2147
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 3: moving like a no Lie was just moving like a

2148
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 3: two Chains and Drake, and but I'd heard like I

2149
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 3: think two Pac Back was out already, there were and

2150
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 3: all those Gucci Man mixtapes, Like I was a Gucci

2151
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 3: Man fan, so I knew who he was. I go cool,

2152
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 3: but like, I don't really have like an artist in

2153
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 3: mind right then that I wanted. I was like thinking

2154
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 3: like like I don't know, like maybe Soldier Boy maybe

2155
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 3: like who could like who could I like wrap that

2156
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 3: I was in like that I could like try to

2157
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 3: like re resurre whatever, like if it's something that makes sense.

2158
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 3: And then she goes, no, no, no, no, he you

2159
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 3: need to manage him. And I was like he doesn't

2160
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 3: have a manager. I was like, he's like on fire,

2161
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 3: what do you mean no? And I was like yeah,

2162
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 3: She's like because he don't. I was like, wait, doesn't

2163
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 3: have a publishing deal. I was like all right. I

2164
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 3: was like okay. So I got on a plane and

2165
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 3: I go sit down there and I go meet Mike

2166
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 3: and I walk in the room and I just listened

2167
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 3: to him. It was at the what's that place called

2168
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 3: the with that only his the one studio in Atlanta

2169
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 3: Silent Sound, Okay, silent Sound. We're showing Garrett work and stuff.

2170
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 3: And so we're in that room and I'm just sitting

2171
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 3: there looking at him, and he's playing these records and

2172
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 3: he's talking and it's like and he's showed me all

2173
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 3: the business and he already has like Pnasty and Mars

2174
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 3: and plus and this like crew of ear drummers, and

2175
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 3: like he's explaining to me the business and how like

2176
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do anything until they're taking care

2177
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 3: of too, because it's family. And the way he's talking,

2178
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 3: it just sounds exactly like everything my business was built up.

2179
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 3: And we're just talking like and we're just like firing

2180
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 3: through it. And I'm like, this shit is crazy. And

2181
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 3: I leave and like he's at the end, he's like, Yo,

2182
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 3: we're going to the strip club. Like I was like,

2183
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to waffle house. I'm not going to strip club.

2184
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 3: You want to come a waffle house? And he's like, noah, bro,

2185
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 3: he goes. Nobody's ever said no before. And I was

2186
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 3: like that's just not me, man, But I love what

2187
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 3: I'm hearing, and like, if you really want to rock,

2188
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 3: like I see it, and I like, I know it's

2189
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 3: only one meeting. And that's the opposite of me. I

2190
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 3: usually get to know somebody, like I've never worked with

2191
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 3: anyone on purpose in my business that I didn't know

2192
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 3: very well. Like I already knew Polo obviously for a

2193
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 3: long time. Then hit Boy they did the publishing deal with,

2194
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,520
Speaker 3: but I started managing him after we built a relationship.

2195
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 3: Boy Wanda after we built Dean, after I got to

2196
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 3: really know her, Like obviously Kerry, I worked with Ethiopia

2197
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 3: after we already had for a while. Like everything was

2198
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 3: like a derivative of something in my company. Like I

2199
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 3: never like had had done that before, but like and

2200
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 3: I was like, let's just start talking and see what happens.

2201
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 3: And within a week two weeks, it was like, oh, yeah,

2202
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna try this, and then we just built out

2203
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 3: this business. But Mike Will has just the ability to

2204
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 3: pull things out of people that they didn't even know

2205
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 3: they could do, and to have a vision for things.

2206
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 3: And when you talk about breaking artists and like making

2207
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 3: like that step with the person. Yeah, if you think

2208
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 3: of the amount of times he's done that, he doesn't

2209
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 3: get five percent of the credit he should get. Yeah,

2210
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 3: he literally had the record that broke two chains, m future,

2211
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 3: all those early records that like put like all that

2212
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 3: stuff they did. He brought like bands will make a

2213
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,520
Speaker 3: dance juicy Jay, like that solo thing like he did obviously,

2214
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 3: Ray shrummered out of like group. Remember Platinum Records out

2215
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 3: of the first album.

2216
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 6: I think I was there the first day they came

2217
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 6: to Interscope. I want to say I was there. I

2218
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 6: want to I want to say that I was actually.

2219
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,600
Speaker 4: Up there when they walked them in, I believe it.

2220
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 4: I was like, who are these two little guys?

2221
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah? They had not like they had just seen like

2222
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 3: trees for the first time in Mississippi from Atlanta, Like

2223
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 3: they were looking at the trees like they didn't know

2224
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 3: what the hell was happening, like that only existed on TV. No,

2225
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 3: but they I mean, think about what he did with Miley,

2226
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 3: like okay, like basically killed Annah Montana and both Miley

2227
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,759
Speaker 3: Cyrus and like like that. Like twenty three. I remember

2228
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 3: Mike calling me and being like playing me that record

2229
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 3: because he had done it with the tron in Rock

2230
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 3: City and and he's putting people on it. I go,

2231
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 3: who you canna put on? And he said Miley. I

2232
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 3: go who? He said, Miley Cyrus. I said, okay, no

2233
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 3: for real and he goes, no, no, she's I was like,

2234
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:11,600
Speaker 3: you're out of your mind. I mean, I love you

2235
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 3: to death. But and I remember leaving and I come back.

2236
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 3: They recorded that in the basement. What's the studio basement,

2237
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 3: the hotel basement. Oh yeah, night Bird at the by

2238
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 3: the bottom of the market. Yeah. And I walk in

2239
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 3: and that verse is laid and she's standing and she's

2240
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 3: going crazy and he's going and I was like I

2241
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 3: walked in. I was like, all right. I was like,

2242
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 3: I mean I officially know nothing because I was like

2243
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 3: I would have lost every dollar I had, Like that's

2244
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 3: the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but okay, sure, Like

2245
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean I love Miley Cyrus. I

2246
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 3: was like, I liked her as a person. I was like,

2247
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 3: but I was like, this is and we had already.

2248
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 3: It all came from we can't stop, like they wanted

2249
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 3: to cut we can't stop. And I was like, okay,

2250
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 3: I like that direction, but like she's gonna rap rap

2251
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 3: like you're gonna rap, Like it's gonna be her Juicy

2252
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 3: j and Whisky Leva, like they're gonna wrap them. I

2253
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 3: was like, you're out of your mind, and like the

2254
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 3: record is what six times platin like a smash a video.

2255
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 3: It was a billion plays like I mean, it was

2256
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 3: like one of those moments and like I was like,

2257
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 3: all right, I'm not going to doubt, Like I mean,

2258
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 3: he got like future singing on Turn on the Lights,

2259
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 3: like all those kind of things that he like brings

2260
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,679
Speaker 3: out of people that like, and he has a vision.

2261
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 3: He wants to help people like grow as an artist.

2262
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't just want placements just to make placements. I mean,

2263
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. He can make humble and formation

2264
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 3: and like have to smash him on smash across the board,

2265
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 3: like his run was like at the time he had

2266
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 3: like ten records on the radio at the same time

2267
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 3: or whatever he had like that mic like you saw

2268
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 3: it on verses like people forgot and then he went

2269
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 3: verses and it was like, I mean enough people like

2270
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 3: it was like ah because if you looked in the comments,

2271
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 3: there was enough people before it going like I don't

2272
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 3: know Mike, what like and then you watch it, you're

2273
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 3: like he opened with humble, he was like, I don't know,

2274
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 3: I'm playing this far like I'm like, okay, cool, because

2275
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:47,679
Speaker 3: then we're gonna go here here, here, here, here here

2276
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 3: like and it just like and there's ten records he

2277
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 3: didn't play that are massive.

2278
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 6: There's a moment that's been kind of floating. It's about

2279
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:59,719
Speaker 6: the unforgivable record unforgettable. I forget it, yeah, unforgettable. And

2280
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 6: I'm hearing what that is, right, But as I'm also

2281
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 6: paying attention to it, I'm seeing it from a different

2282
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 6: angle personally, right, I see it from the it was

2283
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 6: absolutely bad business, then I don't I think that's clear.

2284
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 6: But from an artist's standpoint, he was a genius French

2285
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 6: Montana in saying I.

2286
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 3: Need this, oh absolutely right.

2287
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 6: And I think that is the part that's being overlooked

2288
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 6: in the whole conversation of never maybe not your conversation,

2289
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 6: just period of like you gotta understand when you gotta

2290
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 6: be a part of something. Right now, how it played

2291
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 6: out maybe could have been handled differently. Well, but if

2292
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 6: it was handled differently, maybe he's not even a part

2293
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 6: Oh never, right, Never.

2294
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm saying so like, if you're talking about and from

2295
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 3: an act of I'm French Montana, yeah, and I want

2296
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 3: this song that was the only life changer, like, but

2297
01:43:58,320 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 3: I was the only like I mean like, there are

2298
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 3: people like, oh, maybe he could have got it if

2299
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 3: like and like and hindsight, anything is possible, but no,

2300
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 3: you gotta think Race Shrummered has the maneqan challenge. Black

2301
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 3: Beatles song sevent Weeks in a Row in the Hot

2302
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 3: one hundred goes right into Swang, which is the next

2303
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 3: single which is five times platinum. Either we would have

2304
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 3: we had Unforgettable. Either we would have a figured out

2305
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 3: how to put Jimmy on it and stripped it on

2306
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 3: deluxed it or b that would have been sway Lee's

2307
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 3: first single. Now calling the spade a spade, I'm not.

2308
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 3: I'll be the first one to tell you I'm not

2309
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 3: a French Montana fan. So I was not happy about

2310
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 3: any of it. Like, I was like, I don't think

2311
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 3: he brings anything to the record. I don't like. I

2312
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,799
Speaker 3: was like, this is crazy. The only reason that record

2313
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 3: cleared is because of people that were involved on that side.

2314
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 3: I was then working at Columbia, so I was in

2315
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 3: the Sony building, so they had a little more access

2316
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 3: to me to try to get me to do it.

2317
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 3: Tubby was working with both companies, so Sean was on

2318
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 3: me like, yo, bro come on, he's sitting at the

2319
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 3: office next to me. Would butter me up talking about

2320
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 3: baseball bets or something and then throw in that he

2321
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 3: needs me to clear the French Montana record. But like

2322
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 3: it was him, and it was Jenny Drake and it

2323
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 3: was Zoe and all the people at Sony that were

2324
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:06,759
Speaker 3: on me every day. And once the record was out

2325
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 3: and it had momentum and it was like we were

2326
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 3: like trying like take it, that will make it this,

2327
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 3: but it was like okay, like we don't have Like

2328
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 3: we know we would have used it. We know it

2329
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 3: would have been a hit, and we're fucking pissed. But

2330
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 3: at the same time, we don't know exactly where it

2331
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 3: would have gone. We don't know exactly when we would

2332
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 3: have put it out. We don't know how it will

2333
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 3: be now if we like take it down, wait a

2334
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 3: year and then try to put it back out, like

2335
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 3: we don't like that other version will always still semi exist.

2336
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 3: Like so like do we try to do the best

2337
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 3: business deal possible and deal with it, or do we

2338
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,839
Speaker 3: just say, which is what I wanted to do honestly,

2339
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 3: was just say now, fuck it, We're just not doing it,

2340
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 3: because like I don't just don't believe in getting down

2341
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 3: like that now do I even know that? I mean shit,

2342
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 3: the French version may be because of how hard they went,

2343
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 3: maybe bigger than Sway's version would have been, even though

2344
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 3: like I don't really think that French added that much

2345
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 3: to the record really, but like he pushed it and

2346
01:45:57,120 --> 01:46:00,759
Speaker 3: he really like went crazy with it, like so went crazy,

2347
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 3: and they bet because they paid everybody involved a whole

2348
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 3: bunch of money to be allowed to use it. Everybody.

2349
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 3: So now it's like, all right, well, this is what

2350
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 3: we're gonna do. And I still don't think we did.

2351
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:11,759
Speaker 3: We did a good deal on it, but we didn't

2352
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 3: do as good of it. Like like like I think

2353
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 3: if we did the deal now, we probably like would

2354
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 3: have held onto the record and let them use it

2355
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,600
Speaker 3: in some way like as we're like learning how to

2356
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 3: like build out our business. But but at at the

2357
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 3: end of the day, absolutely if you're a part of

2358
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 3: French Montana, like I don't really do business like that,

2359
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 3: But if I put my French Montana hat on, and

2360
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 3: my whole life was based on breaking French Montana. That's

2361
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 3: probably the only thing he could have done, which was

2362
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 3: steal the record, which wasn't even like, I mean, he shouldn't. Ever,

2363
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 3: the fact that another artist gave him the record to

2364
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 3: record on in the studio was crazy, Like it didn't

2365
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,640
Speaker 3: come from Sway. Sway didn't give it to him so like,

2366
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 3: and then once he had it, like like he just

2367
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 3: I Like, I can't say I don't blame him because

2368
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,559
Speaker 3: I've been a part of things like poll. I've seen

2369
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 3: people leak records, so I know, and I've seen it

2370
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,480
Speaker 3: work incredibly well. So I understands.

2371
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 6: It's funny because I looked at the situation and I

2372
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 6: put myself in that in that position. Right if I

2373
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,679
Speaker 6: was thinking like an artist and I had a shot

2374
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 6: to do that, Uh.

2375
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 3: Yep, I was gonna say you I had it.

2376
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 6: No, No, I literally had a shot to do that,

2377
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 6: and I was only thinking of helping their record.

2378
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 3: Right, you're a person.

2379
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 6: But yes, if I'm wearing an artist hat and I

2380
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 6: look at it and I'm thinking of what it could

2381
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 6: have done for my career and their publishing and their

2382
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 6: ownership and the record I think a record that is

2383
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 6: I think is probably double platinum. Now I think I

2384
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 6: would have had a diamond record because that record is

2385
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 6: diamond in the streets. The up R and B remix

2386
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 6: is absolutely diamond in the streets. It's ah And there

2387
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 6: was a moment where I had a conversation with label

2388
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 6: people who said to me, you need to just buy

2389
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 6: this record, and I'm like, no, that's their record, that's

2390
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 6: their thing. I get it, but I want to help them,

2391
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 6: And for me, I just look at it like that

2392
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 6: was just how I do business. But like I said

2393
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 6: on the flip side, if I'm an artistan, all I'm

2394
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,719
Speaker 6: thinking about is as an artist and I'm in French

2395
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 6: Montana's position, I'm like, shit, he actually made.

2396
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 3: It's a slightly great this move he could have made.

2397
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 3: It's a slightly different situation because he was also capitalizing

2398
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 3: off of sway Lee being having an on one record

2399
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 3: in the world. Also on the like there like that

2400
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 3: was like their one shot everything line I'm saying, but like,

2401
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 3: like the record you're talking about, that was their one shot,

2402
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 3: So you would have been taking their like they're as

2403
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 3: opposed to them already being at the top and you

2404
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 3: taking one of their you trying to you could use

2405
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 3: the thing. Oh you didn't even put it on your album.

2406
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 3: Like that's that was the argument. It was like, you

2407
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 3: guys just put out an album. You didn't put Unforgettable

2408
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 3: on it. So you're not putting out like your album

2409
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 3: like was out like two months, so you're not you

2410
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 3: don't have an album coming anytime soon, So where is

2411
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 3: it coming? Like what's the like? So they that was

2412
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 3: the that was that was salad and like so like,

2413
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 3: let's be real, like it's not on the album like

2414
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 3: so like they had like some like as opposed to

2415
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 3: which again you still could have, but it was more

2416
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 3: like that was that guy's shot that he was focused

2417
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 3: on a million percent that ye have been taking as

2418
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 3: opposed to something on the like.

2419
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 6: No, because multiple people were trying to take that record.

2420
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 4: Of course they were trying to take up of course,

2421
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

2422
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 6: And with me coming in, I helped calm that of like, hey,

2423
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 6: now we're gonna listen rants my till we're gonna.

2424
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 3: Go do this deal for y'all.

2425
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 6: Remember, So yeah, yeah, I started managing I remember, and

2426
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 6: I'm like no, no, no, we're going to utilize the

2427
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 6: R and B remix to push it up more. But this,

2428
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 6: you guys doing this deal, will now have it where

2429
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,879
Speaker 6: you got the power to fight all of these remixes.

2430
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 3: I remember thinking it was your record. I remember thinking

2431
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 3: it should be your record or whatever. I remember the

2432
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 3: same concept, but I remember I also remember you were

2433
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:54,799
Speaker 3: saying all I mad. I was like, Okay, it's your business.

2434
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 3: Whatever you're doing. You had an idea. Whatever you were doing,

2435
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 3: it was a part of an idea. It was.

2436
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 6: But it was funny though, because it made me think of,

2437
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 6: you know, when the whole conversation happened with Unforgettable, it

2438
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 6: made me think of like that situation and if I

2439
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 6: would have done business that way. And I'm just like

2440
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 6: still when I look at him, like, no, they were

2441
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,759
Speaker 6: just parties. We're just so crazy.

2442
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like getting the phone call about the

2443
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I say it on my own show, but

2444
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 3: like said, the phone call about the publishing when he

2445
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 3: said he literally they literally said that he wanted more

2446
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 3: publishing on the song. I'm like, and I literally said,

2447
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 3: I know the answer is no, but why don't you

2448
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 3: add more parts? And then at least I could play

2449
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 3: it for people and if you're on more of the song.

2450
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 3: And their response was, well, we don't think he sounds

2451
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,120
Speaker 3: more good on more of the song, so we don't

2452
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 3: want to put so we don't want to put him

2453
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 3: on more of the song. But because we stole your

2454
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 3: song and we like your song better, but we want

2455
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 3: more writing on the song you wrote that we took.

2456
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:47,040
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all spoke abyss or not, but

2457
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 6: I want to know did y'all still have a part

2458
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 6: of the master or no.

2459
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 3: We know we have a really strong royalty on the record,

2460
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 3: but it's put y'all on the mask, not our master. No,

2461
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 3: wow right, which would be you know, but which we learned. Yeah, okay,

2462
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 3: we do on some flop mm which post put out.

2463
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 3: That song's pretty big too. But I mean like it

2464
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 3: was about like just nothing. No, I'm just saying, but

2465
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 3: as part of the business, it was like I think

2466
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 3: we did a very strong deal. We did very well

2467
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 3: and we still do quite well off that song. But

2468
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 3: it was also like it was La Reid was involved,

2469
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 3: he was cutting monster checks to everybody, like it was

2470
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 3: like very like it was very flu it was very fluid,

2471
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 3: like the record was already out, So it wasn't like

2472
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 3: a thought out like Jimmy was already out, like if

2473
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 3: Jimmy was around never like you know what I mean.

2474
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 3: Like so it was like kind of like like Jimmy

2475
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 3: wasn't Jimmy was an apple, so like he wasn't Like so.

2476
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that too.

2477
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 6: What was it like for you when you realize that

2478
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 6: Jimmy was leaving Interscope or selling Innoscope or yet pretty

2479
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 6: much because I'm sure and you can tell me if

2480
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 6: I'm wrong or not. You always looked at Interscope as

2481
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:51,759
Speaker 6: like your family's company, business, family business.

2482
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 4: What were your thoughts as that's happening.

2483
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it was such a unique thing because of

2484
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 3: how the Eat thing happened, Like like he like I

2485
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 3: remember him just talking one day, just like being like

2486
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 3: rawn on one of his rants. We're just sitting in

2487
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,680
Speaker 3: the backyard and he's, oh, you know, he got it,

2488
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 3: and he's like complaining about the music industry is like

2489
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. You could have the biggest hit in

2490
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 3: the world, but what are you gonna do tomorrow? You

2491
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 3: have to do something new every day, as opposed to

2492
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 3: like the guy who made Ketchup made it one time, right,

2493
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 3: and they've been selling it for his and every you know,

2494
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,639
Speaker 3: once every ten years. They make it green on Christmas

2495
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 3: or something, and yeah, and like like but like otherwise

2496
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 3: it's like it's like if that's a business, I need

2497
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 3: a hardware, I need a like I want that kind

2498
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 3: of like something that like is tangible, like as a product.

2499
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 3: And they ended up working on Beats and that became

2500
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,560
Speaker 3: that overwhelmed all of us. Like I remember we'd be

2501
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 3: sitting and I'd be trying to finish records, and he

2502
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 3: put a new pair of headphones that to try to

2503
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 3: get me to pay attention, he paint the he had

2504
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,559
Speaker 3: like New York Giants version. I have like the original

2505
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 3: version of the Beats headphone with giant logos on the

2506
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 3: side of it. I still have it somewhere. I have

2507
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 3: a Mets version, you know what I mean. Like it

2508
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 3: was like, how do I get you to pay attend?

2509
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna paint something you'd like on it. Maybe you'll care,

2510
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 3: but like and I'd be like, man, we got to

2511
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 3: get turned this record in tomorrow. You're playing my headphones

2512
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 3: on my head But like he was so dedicated the

2513
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 3: way they built that out. I remember being tortured at

2514
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 3: so many different video shoots, like you better not come

2515
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 3: back unless the uh, you know, the Soldier Boy video

2516
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 3: has beats in it, you know, interjection and we'll get

2517
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 3: back to it.

2518
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:27,679
Speaker 6: I'm sitting in your office and Jimmy calls you are

2519
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 6: maybe you guys were already for one or the other,

2520
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 6: and I think he was having He think he was

2521
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 6: going into surgery for something.

2522
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know what it was.

2523
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 6: Okay, And when you guys hang up, we're joking about

2524
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 6: y'all conversation. You're like Jimmy said, if I die, make

2525
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:47,640
Speaker 6: sure that the beats are in all videos. And I'm like,

2526
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 6: oh shit, you do you remember what I'm saying the conversation.

2527
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 3: I mean he said that enough to me, Yeah, because

2528
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 3: I would say can we talk about something else? And

2529
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 3: he would say basically a version of that all the time.

2530
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what, no doubt, but it was like

2531
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,480
Speaker 3: something like that was like the end of every conversation

2532
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 3: was like is it inocent in that? Did you get

2533
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 3: the picture? Did you do this? And I was like

2534
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 3: this is crazy, Like I'm trying to get like a

2535
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 3: record done, I'm trying to get this like we have

2536
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 3: a day to turn it in. So that's the shift

2537
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 3: and the shift that and then when that started happening,

2538
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 3: I because I always felt like, you know, my life

2539
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 3: was incredible. I was like, and I had this blessed

2540
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 3: life and like it was like, you know, there were

2541
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:26,640
Speaker 3: some issues with being his nephew and know the things

2542
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 3: I had to deal with and the things I had

2543
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 3: to Like, I wasn't able to be as forward as

2544
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 3: I was because I think Jimmy didn't want to feel

2545
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 3: like I was like getting played favorite too. I was

2546
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 3: never like I never did any press. I never did

2547
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 3: anything my whole career, Like until I started my own

2548
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 3: podcast six months ago, I don't think I never show

2549
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 3: the of the podcast. The podcast to the podcast is

2550
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 3: called the third Verse. It's fun. It's me my guy

2551
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 3: stack Quo, who is the craziest person in the whole

2552
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 3: world and an incredible hip hop journalist, justin haunt tous

2553
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:56,839
Speaker 3: brains of the operation and deals with us two idiots.

2554
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, no, it's that's a blast. But I

2555
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 3: mean until I did that, I had never spoken. Yeah,

2556
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 3: like I had like I had like if you think

2557
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 3: about the amount of records I was a part of

2558
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 3: the way all these A and rs and all these

2559
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 3: people take credit for things just because their name is

2560
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 3: on them. Like, if if that's how it works, then

2561
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't know how many records I saw the billion,

2562
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 3: I'm not like a hundred if you put because my

2563
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 3: name's on every M and M record, every fifty record,

2564
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 3: every Black Eyed Fe's record, Like if you like, if

2565
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 3: that's how it works, I mean, okay, okay, then I'm

2566
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 3: a music g No.

2567
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, like, you know who you are, you McDonald's.

2568
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so it's like but but I never like

2569
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 3: said it so but outside of that, like, my life

2570
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 3: was incredible based on the opportunity I was given, and

2571
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 3: I get to like do all this amazing stuff for

2572
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 3: all the people I love. I'm able to give everybody

2573
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 3: an opportunity, Like if you think of all the like

2574
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:43,920
Speaker 3: basically every assistant I ever had is now a big

2575
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 3: shot somewhere, like I like, and that's I take as

2576
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 3: much pride in that as I did like either either

2577
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 3: either assistant or in turn at the neighboring neighboring. But

2578
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 3: in our world, I mean between like yeah, I mean

2579
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Eric is doing great Erica Coulter I mean Chess,

2580
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 3: he's doing great, Like Tungi's TUNGI like Manny is Manny,

2581
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,120
Speaker 3: Archie is Archie. Like these guys are all like you

2582
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 3: you got, They're all I mean, they've all built insane businesses. Himself,

2583
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 3: I could work for any one of those people at

2584
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 3: this point, Like so that's insane and like, but so

2585
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 3: now I have this. But then when Jimmy, I could

2586
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 3: see him starting to transition out, like I kind of

2587
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 3: was like I was happy for him at the end

2588
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 3: of the day because I like, I was never like

2589
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 3: married to being a record executive, like at a record label,

2590
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 3: Like I don't mind doing it, and I like doing

2591
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 3: it because of the opportunities it gives my clients, But

2592
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 3: I never, like I never loved it for that, Like

2593
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 3: I like, I don't like, I'm fine I do it.

2594
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 3: If an amazing opportunity came up again, I might just

2595
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 3: do it again. But like as far as like it wasn't,

2596
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 3: like I was like, man, that's I can't believe he's

2597
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 3: like leaving, Like I mean, like I felt like it

2598
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 3: was time for him, he was ready and it was

2599
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 3: such an incredible opportunity, an incredible ride. What he did

2600
01:56:55,800 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 3: build that into a multi billion dollar business, and I

2601
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 3: technically left first. So I once I knew that was happening,

2602
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 3: I kind of transitioned myself out of it and stayed

2603
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 3: on as a consultant, started building my own ship and

2604
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 3: like really started building the stuff with Mike.

2605
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 4: And so it was you own some of beats? No,

2606
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 4: So wait, you weren't even in the first round.

2607
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 3: Do I own beats? I'm not, it would be amazing,

2608
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, did you did you get flight up

2609
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 3: of two of these? So three is hilarious? Sure, but

2610
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure.

2611
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like you weren't in like the first round

2612
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 4: of investment or nothing.

2613
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 3: I was not in the first round of investment. So

2614
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 3: lebron more beats?

2615
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, what the we could have got out there?

2616
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 1: I know?

2617
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 3: Is that crazy? I mean you're not in the head

2618
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 3: No kind of no.

2619
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 6: Kind of fucking not bro kind of I mean, damn dog,

2620
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 6: you didn't get No, you didn't get No, I got

2621
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 6: a headphones, some stock.

2622
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 4: It's about stock.

2623
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 3: No, I got some stock. I got some applestock. Like

2624
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm I'm like, I mean, I'm smart

2625
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 3: enough to make sure I had that. But I'm like,

2626
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 3: all right, as far as like, because you.

2627
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 4: Did put it in all the videos.

2628
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 3: I did put it in a lot of videos, Jimmy,

2629
01:57:58,400 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 3: a lot of videos. If you get if that's how

2630
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 3: you paid that, like, definitely got the short end of

2631
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 3: the stick. If it's abody putting it in videos, yeah

2632
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 3: I should be.

2633
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 8: I know.

2634
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 3: It's funny.

2635
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 6: I remember I'm at I don't know if I'm at

2636
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 6: the office or we were at Larry's house for no

2637
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 6: we were at Larry's house for something it was, and

2638
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 6: Jimmy goes Jay right, just random, he's back there, and he.

2639
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 4: Said, Jay, isn't your friend one of those baseball guys?

2640
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, He's like, this.

2641
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 3: Is one dating me on it? Right, I'm like he is.

2642
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 3: Should he wear beats? Not as simple as it was?

2643
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,680
Speaker 3: And I'm like he should.

2644
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 6: I'm gonna call him, call his agent man, And next

2645
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 6: thing I know, Matt Kemp is in the middle of

2646
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 6: Times Square with BT phones on on the big ass building.

2647
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 6: It was so interesting how Jimmy operated. It was so

2648
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,080
Speaker 6: interesting how he operated.

2649
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 3: Literally, it was like, yeah, he was walking around handing it.

2650
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 3: He was literally walking around putting it on people's hats

2651
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 3: and taking pictures.

2652
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 6: That was the conversation. It was crazy, your friend is

2653
01:58:58,160 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 6: the baseball guy, like you said.

2654
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember just showing up at the house

2655
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 3: one day and I'm eating dinner with his kids and

2656
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 3: we're just talking. He shows up and he had like

2657
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 3: polaroids and it was like not polaroids, but like actual

2658
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 3: photos and it was like Dwight Howard and then like

2659
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:11,760
Speaker 3: this person and that I'd be like, what did you do?

2660
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 3: Just like walk around and just.

2661
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 4: Put it like what listen.

2662
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 6: The very long, the funniest experience and the worst super

2663
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 6: Bowl experience for me was watching a Super Bowl at

2664
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:24,800
Speaker 6: his house and all he cared about was the halftime

2665
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 6: show so that they could talk about or I think

2666
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 6: it was I don't know if it was the launch

2667
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 6: of Apple Music or it was something, but like I'm like,

2668
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 6: Jimmy was a football game going on?

2669
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:35,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was. No. The football game was the

2670
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 3: atmosphere for the beach commercial. For the commercial was the

2671
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 3: one with the black eyed peas when he had to

2672
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 3: be yes like they really he really worked it into

2673
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,839
Speaker 3: the stage. I mean, will I am? I mean, let's.

2674
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 6: Jimmy gave two ships about the football game. Oh, of course,

2675
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:50,680
Speaker 6: I'm trying to watch the football game. He's like, right

2676
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:52,480
Speaker 6: where Like he's like this halftime show.

2677
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, the twenty two guys are in the

2678
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 3: way of what we're trying to do here. Yeah, no,

2679
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 3: one hundred.

2680
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 6: But not even a halftime show, the halftime commercial. Yeah no,

2681
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,240
Speaker 6: it was like the whole Like he I want to say,

2682
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 6: he was rewinding the commercial as the game had started

2683
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 6: back on. I'm like, hey, Larry, I'm out here. Jimmy

2684
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 6: just wants to watch commercials. But he wasn't want.

2685
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 3: To watch commercials.

2686
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 6: Exactly, but he was so for lack of a better time.

2687
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 6: He was so hell bent on on.

2688
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:24,760
Speaker 3: Once he smelled it, it was like it was like there

2689
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 3: was it was relentless him like you know, dre like

2690
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 3: he like it was I mean, Chip, it's the blueprint.

2691
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:43,280
Speaker 6: Another funny moment, Okay, as we're at breakfast with your

2692
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:46,160
Speaker 6: dad and you and this I think this might have

2693
02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 6: been my first time meeting your dad and you go, hey, dad,

2694
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 6: guess who Jay's friend is. I don't know if you

2695
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:57,200
Speaker 6: remember this ship. I'm eating my breakfast and you go,

2696
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 6: that's how And your dad stops and he goes you're

2697
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 6: talking about the guy who almost fucked up.

2698
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, I was like it was right

2699
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 3: after to kill me, right after all that shit happened after.

2700
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 4: Now sing the deal when nobody.

2701
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,680
Speaker 6: Knows that, I'm like, oh, ship, that ship was pos

2702
02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 6: about to get me knocked off, man, because I know Tyrese.

2703
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 3: Oh that was funny. I remember that. I do remember

2704
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 3: that because that was like right after it had all

2705
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,920
Speaker 3: calmed down, Like it was like right after like the

2706
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,200
Speaker 3: deal got done, obviously had the new number whatever, but

2707
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 3: it got done, and it was like it was like, okay,

2708
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:44,640
Speaker 3: everybody can breathe. But I that day, Oh my god,

2709
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 3: I remember seeing it and being like like I I

2710
02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 3: bust Jimmy's balls over, like we used to get out

2711
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,840
Speaker 3: each other like about anything. Like I didn't that day.

2712
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,520
Speaker 3: I didn't even Like there was no like I did.

2713
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 3: There was no work. I don't. I couldn't even imagine

2714
02:01:58,600 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 3: because I know him so well and I know like

2715
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 3: I've been around him in some crazy moments, like I

2716
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:05,000
Speaker 3: can't even imagine what he what like that what went

2717
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 3: through his mind at that moment. But all things worked

2718
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:09,080
Speaker 3: out and it worked. Everything is okay.

2719
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:13,920
Speaker 7: But like, yeah, that was crazy versus is still and.

2720
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:15,000
Speaker 4: They let him in the Apple building.

2721
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 6: They let him him in Apple building, let him in

2722
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:21,080
Speaker 6: the verses I think him and Dre I mean, I mean.

2723
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they probably carried him into the building.

2724
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:31,560
Speaker 6: No, we have your three hundred million dollar carre.

2725
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:36,200
Speaker 3: Well, I was like, that's the wrong side of that.

2726
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:43,840
Speaker 6: So yeah, your management, Yes, yeah, you went full R

2727
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:47,200
Speaker 6: and B. Yeah, you went full R and B. After

2728
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 6: all your years and labels, all all of hip hop,

2729
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,480
Speaker 6: all the ship, You're like, Okay, I'm a man's Kishko.

2730
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 3: Keisha Cole has been one of my dearest friends for

2731
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 3: twenty years. Yeah, so probably about as long as I

2732
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:04,040
Speaker 3: know you in that same ballpark, so I got to

2733
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:07,839
Speaker 3: watch her grow. She was originally signed to Damon Elliott

2734
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 3: and my girlfriend at the time was Damon's assistant, so

2735
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,080
Speaker 3: she was always like getting driven around and whatever. So

2736
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:16,560
Speaker 3: I met her very early on and then obviously watch

2737
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:19,760
Speaker 3: vadn't have a license with Yeah. I mean, so many

2738
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 3: people I work with don't have drug I don't understand.

2739
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,480
Speaker 6: Them, but yeah, but yeah, I wanted with Keisha to

2740
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,240
Speaker 6: buy her first car, I believe it, and she didn't

2741
02:03:25,240 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 6: have a license and she was mad at Ron fair

2742
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 6: because they wouldn't let her buy the car that he

2743
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 6: had given her more migive whatever, the advanced, whatever it

2744
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 6: is to get the car and told her she was

2745
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 6: going to get it. And she's like, Ron, they won't

2746
02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:39,920
Speaker 6: give me the car. And I'm like, Kesha, you don't.

2747
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:42,760
Speaker 6: You don't have a license, and I don't think they're

2748
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:43,360
Speaker 6: going to sell it to.

2749
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:46,400
Speaker 3: The whole process involved.

2750
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 4: You gotta have a driver, balls and stuff. Pissed.

2751
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about right. But so, I mean, you know,

2752
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:55,360
Speaker 3: I've been around for all of it, and I've watched

2753
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 3: all her you know, her growth or ups, her downs,

2754
02:03:58,040 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 3: everything that she's been through.

2755
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 4: And well, you weren't at the first video.

2756
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:02,440
Speaker 3: I was not.

2757
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 4: You weren't there.

2758
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:06,680
Speaker 3: And then you're still the like arguably the greatest video

2759
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:07,440
Speaker 3: vixen of all.

2760
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:11,920
Speaker 6: Time, and you weren't there. Bro, I didn't. I didn't

2761
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 6: know until ask the fact I would have to sign

2762
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:14,160
Speaker 6: an autograph.

2763
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 3: It was tough.

2764
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 6: I still talk about it. If you was there, I

2765
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:20,440
Speaker 6: might have got paid because I didn't get paid for

2766
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:21,080
Speaker 6: that video either.

2767
02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 3: You're incredible, It's fine, were incredible, but yes, so you know,

2768
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 3: you being in the video made her a star and

2769
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:32,640
Speaker 3: then after that, no, but then I'm just saying after that, like,

2770
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:34,720
Speaker 3: so now I'm you know, I've been able to watch

2771
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:36,920
Speaker 3: her whole career as a friend and be around obviously

2772
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,800
Speaker 3: I'm ron fair incredible with the party, like got to

2773
02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 3: be like a fly on the wall for a lot

2774
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 3: of that. Just supportive and just we were very close

2775
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:47,480
Speaker 3: forever and we just remained friends after I left Innerscope,

2776
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:50,320
Speaker 3: after she left Inner Scope or an m but part

2777
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 3: of Interscope. Yeah, And like I believe she is one

2778
02:04:56,200 --> 02:04:59,480
Speaker 3: of the greats. I just truly believe that. And I

2779
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 3: believe she is greater than she is even given credit

2780
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 3: for considerably great and she was given credit for so

2781
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 3: I always told her that I was always on like

2782
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:11,600
Speaker 3: I believe you're like one of those ones, like you

2783
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 3: are every bit in that goat conversation. That's just how

2784
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:18,320
Speaker 3: I feel about you, and I'll never change that. And

2785
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:19,760
Speaker 3: when she would always tell me you should work with me,

2786
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 3: you should do this. But I always had like jobs

2787
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:25,720
Speaker 3: and like managing producers and songwriters and things like that

2788
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 3: is like and especially somebody I don't want to say,

2789
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 3: I don't care about all artists, but somebody that I

2790
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:33,040
Speaker 3: care that deeply about and that has been my friend

2791
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:35,720
Speaker 3: for that long, and that I've been campaigning for her

2792
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:38,400
Speaker 3: to be the biggest thing on earth to her for

2793
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 3: so long. I knew what that would take to do that.

2794
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:46,960
Speaker 3: So when I left def JAM, when I left finally

2795
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,440
Speaker 3: three years ago, literally my first call was to her

2796
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:52,480
Speaker 3: and I was like hey. I was like, because she

2797
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,800
Speaker 3: had talked to me like a little while before, like hey,

2798
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm figuring out stuff.

2799
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out like where I am. And

2800
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 3: she came to visit me at how years every once

2801
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 3: in a while she would come to eat and we

2802
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 3: were still friends, but like we and I was like, well,

2803
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 3: if that's really what you're talking about, I'm not big

2804
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:09,520
Speaker 3: on taking or poaching or doing any of that stuff, but

2805
02:06:09,560 --> 02:06:11,640
Speaker 3: if that's what you're going to do, like the timing

2806
02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 3: would be now because I have and I see a path.

2807
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 3: There's like like you were business. You got to take

2808
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 3: the business more seriously to me, Like you should be

2809
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:22,480
Speaker 3: doing so much bigger shows. The next album you make

2810
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:27,920
Speaker 3: should be incredible ode to everything you've done, and like

2811
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 3: a resurgence, like all these things that if I want,

2812
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:32,840
Speaker 3: like if we do this. I don't want to jump

2813
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 3: in just to be like somebody who gets a piece

2814
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:36,640
Speaker 3: of what you're already doing that you don't like that.

2815
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 3: Anybody can do that. I'll just be a friend. I

2816
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,560
Speaker 3: don't need to do that. If you want to really

2817
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 3: swing and you want to try to build this thing

2818
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:45,839
Speaker 3: out the way I think we can build it out,

2819
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,440
Speaker 3: let's do it. And I know and you know, and

2820
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 3: like we've started. It's taken a couple of years, but

2821
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:53,080
Speaker 3: we've really I think built the live business to a

2822
02:06:53,120 --> 02:06:56,760
Speaker 3: place where she did her real first two headline arena tours,

2823
02:06:56,760 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 3: including a twenty year anniversary arena AE BE great tour

2824
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:05,280
Speaker 3: that you know, she had a great run on, and like,

2825
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm proud of that. I'm proud of how she's built

2826
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:09,240
Speaker 3: and how hard she's worked and how she's built her

2827
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:14,360
Speaker 3: and really reasserted herself in the conversation. And now it's

2828
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:16,440
Speaker 3: the fun part to me. Now, it's when we go,

2829
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:19,240
Speaker 3: I think, make that album that makes everybody yeah, you

2830
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:22,080
Speaker 3: know remember, And that's where I think, and that's where

2831
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 3: we're at now. We're about red at that.

2832
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:25,520
Speaker 6: And you're full in R and B world now, bro,

2833
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:27,600
Speaker 6: And that's you know, when most people can watch this

2834
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,920
Speaker 6: and be like, why you know we get that ship.

2835
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:31,360
Speaker 3: He don't do R and B.

2836
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,120
Speaker 6: Well, yes, he does do R and B and he's

2837
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:35,080
Speaker 6: been a part of R and B shit and great things.

2838
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 6: But this is also a show of business. But the

2839
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:41,960
Speaker 6: fact also that you were working with you know, a

2840
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:43,560
Speaker 6: dear friend of mine who I love, and you are

2841
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:47,320
Speaker 6: a dear friend of mine and who is a legend

2842
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:49,960
Speaker 6: in the R and B space, right, And I love

2843
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,880
Speaker 6: what you're doing business wise, what you guys are doing together,

2844
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:56,440
Speaker 6: because I've been watching I've been watching the resurgence. I've

2845
02:07:56,440 --> 02:08:00,680
Speaker 6: been watching the moves of, like you said, the touring

2846
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 6: business and figuring out how to put her in a

2847
02:08:03,240 --> 02:08:07,240
Speaker 6: space that she deserves to be in. And that's not easy,

2848
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:09,840
Speaker 6: and most people just think like, oh, it's such and such.

2849
02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:12,480
Speaker 6: So no, there are things that have to happen, There

2850
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:15,000
Speaker 6: are conversations that have to happen, and there are moves

2851
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,960
Speaker 6: that need to be made to put you in that space.

2852
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:21,960
Speaker 6: And man, I'm glad y'all working together. Me too, Like

2853
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:23,920
Speaker 6: I can't wait to hear the album.

2854
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:26,120
Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's like trying to think of the

2855
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:28,840
Speaker 3: right words, but like I'm very excited for what the

2856
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 3: next year. Like it's a challenge and it's going to

2857
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:32,480
Speaker 3: be a challenge, but it's it's.

2858
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:34,800
Speaker 4: So y'all working on it. It's ya ya emotion.

2859
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 3: Were we're in the we're in the stage of really

2860
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:40,520
Speaker 3: like locking in on what it's going to be. But

2861
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 3: it's like we're there and we're to the point where

2862
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:44,400
Speaker 3: now we've built the business. We've built the life businessupright,

2863
02:08:44,440 --> 02:08:46,240
Speaker 3: We've built it up to a point that we could

2864
02:08:46,240 --> 02:08:48,400
Speaker 3: do this and not like and that won't slow the

2865
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:50,840
Speaker 3: momentum of having done the tours and not being like,

2866
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:55,120
Speaker 3: well we kind of we kind of like planted the seeds,

2867
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 3: but then we stepped away and then so now it's like, okay,

2868
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,120
Speaker 3: now it's like time to make.

2869
02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 6: So the other question that that my audience wants to

2870
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:05,360
Speaker 6: know when the funck is she coming on the R

2871
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:06,320
Speaker 6: and B Money Podcast.

2872
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:12,200
Speaker 3: You're the manager, manage the situation. Situation. It all comes

2873
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:12,760
Speaker 3: back to follow.

2874
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 4: Everything comes back too.

2875
02:09:14,720 --> 02:09:17,360
Speaker 3: Comes back to follow the dawn. We gotta I mean,

2876
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:19,560
Speaker 3: that conversation would be too epic. We have to make

2877
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,200
Speaker 3: it happen. The two of you guys together. Is that fun?

2878
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 3: Is it like as fun as I know how the

2879
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 3: two of us talking are in the two ocation and

2880
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:29,560
Speaker 3: I talking like we like, we gotta we gotta figure

2881
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,840
Speaker 3: coming on this podcast. We gotta figure it out. Do

2882
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,960
Speaker 3: you guys have a you guys have a Southeast edition?

2883
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:37,280
Speaker 3: We gotta you want me to go where she's at.

2884
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:40,040
Speaker 3: We gotta figure it out, saying I'll go where she's at.

2885
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:42,560
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. All Right, we gotta figure it out.

2886
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 6: Now, don't give me this figure this ship out? Is

2887
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,440
Speaker 6: she coming on the podcast?

2888
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:49,680
Speaker 3: You want me to say? Yes? Okay, yes, she's coming

2889
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 3: on the Yeah, we're gonna my real friend in real life.

2890
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:56,160
Speaker 6: I'm not about to do this ship with you talk

2891
02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:59,680
Speaker 6: about what you will, but yeah, say yes, ship.

2892
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,000
Speaker 3: Love it is coming on the podcast.

2893
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:05,760
Speaker 6: You heard DJH that's the manager. He's going to manage

2894
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:09,520
Speaker 6: the situation and we're gonna make it happen. So, DJ,

2895
02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:14,120
Speaker 6: what's next for you? I mean, especially in its R

2896
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:17,200
Speaker 6: and B space. Well, I think that's a very unique thing. Actually,

2897
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:20,840
Speaker 6: Mike just dropped his album like we just dropped Reset.

2898
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:22,800
Speaker 6: It's a long time between albums and I think it's

2899
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:24,800
Speaker 6: really and I think it's a really special project. He

2900
02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 6: really touched on a bunch of certain things, a couple

2901
02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:28,280
Speaker 6: of songs that are really impressive.

2902
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:33,800
Speaker 3: One of them is it's the song AAA and it's

2903
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:39,000
Speaker 3: with Sig for Ram is a spectacular carnatic singer from

2904
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,680
Speaker 3: well from the Bay and India back and forth. But

2905
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:47,200
Speaker 3: he's I mean, he's a legend. And and they have

2906
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:50,120
Speaker 3: they have started working together and but if you listen

2907
02:10:50,120 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 3: to that record, you could hear the beginnings of it.

2908
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,160
Speaker 3: But some of the music I've heard with the two

2909
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:58,080
Speaker 3: of them, I think is the most groundbreaking ship I've

2910
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 3: heard in a long time. And it's really special, and

2911
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:04,280
Speaker 3: like Mike is a genius, and like when he sets

2912
02:11:04,280 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 3: his mind to something, especially as parts of breaking somebody

2913
02:11:06,840 --> 02:11:10,560
Speaker 3: and entering somebody into and this is on a level

2914
02:11:10,640 --> 02:11:13,760
Speaker 3: that I think it's going to be very very special,

2915
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:15,680
Speaker 3: and uh, we'll see how it all turns out. But

2916
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,280
Speaker 3: I've heard a couple of the other records and like

2917
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:21,320
Speaker 3: and like it's it's magic and like, so to hear that, like,

2918
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:22,760
Speaker 3: you know, I've been blessed to work on a lot

2919
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 3: of incredible things, So for me to feel that way,

2920
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:27,840
Speaker 3: I feel like it's something like that excites me. And

2921
02:11:27,880 --> 02:11:29,360
Speaker 3: it's somebody I met a couple of years ago, and

2922
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:30,840
Speaker 3: then I was working with and then I was like

2923
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:32,760
Speaker 3: my dream for him to meet Mike, and then they

2924
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 3: did and then obviously it just like it come together.

2925
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,640
Speaker 3: It felt it's like better than I hoped, so like

2926
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:41,600
Speaker 3: it's and then like you can hear it off this song,

2927
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 3: it's really catching, like let's check out AA on Mike's

2928
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:48,640
Speaker 3: album Reset. But like the it's it's magic and I'm

2929
02:11:48,680 --> 02:11:51,840
Speaker 3: excited for everybody to hear it. What's the artist name again? Sid?

2930
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:58,720
Speaker 3: Sid Sid S R I R A M. And from

2931
02:11:58,760 --> 02:12:02,440
Speaker 3: I mean from up like remand up India, So back

2932
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:03,720
Speaker 3: and forth, back and forth, and it's.

2933
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 4: Like like you know, it's Freemont India.

2934
02:12:06,360 --> 02:12:09,240
Speaker 3: Freemont India. Yes, okay, yes, freem On India is exactly

2935
02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:10,880
Speaker 3: where he's from. No, but it is from the Bay

2936
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:13,040
Speaker 3: but no, he's from the bed like I mean, like

2937
02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:17,720
Speaker 3: it's it's yeah, well we got over here, man, let's

2938
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:23,440
Speaker 3: get talented fu. Yeah, your top fun. Come on, we

2939
02:12:23,480 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 3: want to know you fun. I love this so tough.

2940
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:42,080
Speaker 5: Beasings are and songs we got to know before you

2941
02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:44,160
Speaker 5: go they're wrong this shore.

2942
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 3: They want to know, Yes.

2943
02:12:54,840 --> 02:13:11,240
Speaker 8: To you, that's incredible.

2944
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:15,000
Speaker 3: We want to know that's incredible. I feel like Tank

2945
02:13:15,120 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 3: is here.

2946
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 4: He would have been singing it louder.

2947
02:13:17,960 --> 02:13:19,280
Speaker 3: He would have been singing it loud. He would have

2948
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 3: been doing his I know, I know what I feel it.

2949
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, no matter how loud Ruben turns it up, I

2950
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:24,800
Speaker 6: feel I turned it down.

2951
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:27,120
Speaker 3: I feel that's my guy. By the way, I appreciate.

2952
02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:30,320
Speaker 3: I may not let he. I have just real quick

2953
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:32,800
Speaker 3: for the top five. I have a great Literally, I

2954
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:36,200
Speaker 3: was by my house and he literally we must have

2955
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:37,520
Speaker 3: been walking out of me and walked right in front

2956
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 3: of my car and I like hit the jam on

2957
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,560
Speaker 3: the brakes and I was like, bro, and he goes, hey,

2958
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:46,400
Speaker 3: how you doing? And I was like, Mike, you're gonna

2959
02:13:46,440 --> 02:13:49,240
Speaker 3: look up? Well that what you do? Like yeah, it

2960
02:13:49,320 --> 02:13:50,919
Speaker 3: was right? And I was like, it was like incredible.

2961
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:52,560
Speaker 3: He's like something like I don't remember. It was like

2962
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,400
Speaker 3: a dentist. So I forgot, but he's I forgot what

2963
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:58,680
Speaker 3: he said because I was terrified that like like like

2964
02:13:58,680 --> 02:14:00,480
Speaker 3: like I was like I almost ran over R and

2965
02:14:00,520 --> 02:14:03,640
Speaker 3: B Royalty. I was like insane, but it was a

2966
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:07,520
Speaker 3: man love Tank and like that song is amazing. That's definitely.

2967
02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 3: Can I put that in my top five if he

2968
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:11,560
Speaker 3: wants anybody ever put that song in the top five.

2969
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:14,200
Speaker 4: They haven't, I don't think so, but you can.

2970
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:17,080
Speaker 3: If you want to. I mean that could be that

2971
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:17,680
Speaker 3: could be five A.

2972
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:19,120
Speaker 4: It's a jam.

2973
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 6: So okay, So we got we're doing songs first, or

2974
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:25,120
Speaker 6: want to do top five R and B singers first.

2975
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go more things like because

2976
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:31,440
Speaker 3: I feel like just setting for my list, I'm going

2977
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:33,320
Speaker 3: to go more people like that affected me and like

2978
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:35,680
Speaker 3: my lifetime as opposed to like obviously the Stevie's and

2979
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:37,880
Speaker 3: the Michaels and all those guys who are incredible. I'm

2980
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 3: going to do the things that like Kim in my life,

2981
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:41,880
Speaker 3: like what my life and what I listened to them.

2982
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:45,200
Speaker 3: So first off, which is what got me into the

2983
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:47,880
Speaker 3: genre at all, would be Jodasy, who was like the

2984
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:50,760
Speaker 3: first like I remember being a kid and like you.

2985
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:51,800
Speaker 4: Taking, You're taking.

2986
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:55,520
Speaker 3: The whole group is one like that, like that moment.

2987
02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:57,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking of like projects, albums like that's what

2988
02:14:58,080 --> 02:15:02,520
Speaker 3: got two. I mean for everything the Goat. As far

2989
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:05,160
Speaker 3: as I'm concerned r Kelly, there's no like as far

2990
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:09,120
Speaker 3: as songs, as far as like what he is what

2991
02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:12,280
Speaker 3: what those records were, and just like what the fuck

2992
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:14,879
Speaker 3: like over and over in one hundred percenters and everything.

2993
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:15,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2994
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 3: R Kelly is absolutely king of R and B, the

2995
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:21,960
Speaker 3: king of R and B. Third Usher who has maintained

2996
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 3: for such an incredible long time and is like recreated

2997
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:30,240
Speaker 3: himself and what he's done just across decades is remarkable.

2998
02:15:31,320 --> 02:15:34,360
Speaker 3: And then the greatest reclamation story of all time. Chris Brown,

2999
02:15:34,440 --> 02:15:38,160
Speaker 3: who I think is the like, shit, it's hard to

3000
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:41,600
Speaker 3: like just what he's done, dealt with, come back from

3001
02:15:41,640 --> 02:15:45,040
Speaker 3: and just the person, the performer, the artist he is

3002
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:49,960
Speaker 3: is second and none, second to absolutely none. Yeah, and

3003
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:51,400
Speaker 3: then fifth is no way. I'm doing a list with

3004
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:55,320
Speaker 3: Alkisha Kole, so Keisha call is five. That's my favorite

3005
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:57,360
Speaker 3: R and B female singer of all time. Yeah, are

3006
02:15:57,360 --> 02:16:01,360
Speaker 3: other incredible ones obviously, but if you talk about my artist,

3007
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:03,960
Speaker 3: that's what it is. Yes, very soon and I love that.

3008
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:06,480
Speaker 6: Top five all right now, we're gonna go Top five

3009
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:08,760
Speaker 6: R and B songs.

3010
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:12,160
Speaker 3: Okay again, Five songs that very much influenced my life

3011
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:16,320
Speaker 3: in different places. Okay. The first one is The Great

3012
02:16:16,360 --> 02:16:22,120
Speaker 3: Pretender by the Platters h legitimately my father. I remember

3013
02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:25,920
Speaker 3: driving to baseball games, and my father is a Platters fanatic,

3014
02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:29,760
Speaker 3: so he would play that Greatest Hits album. Yeah, and

3015
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:34,360
Speaker 3: it was Great Pretender Twilight Time only you trying to

3016
02:16:34,360 --> 02:16:36,160
Speaker 3: remember like off the top of my head, but like

3017
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:39,800
Speaker 3: every day Frett and the Great Pretender to this day

3018
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:42,680
Speaker 3: is like it reminds me of such an incredible time.

3019
02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it's supposed to do.

3020
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:51,640
Speaker 3: That like it it like it just to me. That's

3021
02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:53,440
Speaker 3: like when I think of it, I'm like, like, it

3022
02:16:53,480 --> 02:16:55,080
Speaker 3: makes me so happy and I'll remember it like for

3023
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:56,560
Speaker 3: the rest of my life. And they bring me back

3024
02:16:56,920 --> 02:17:00,400
Speaker 3: to being in that car and driving to Shaye Stadium whatever,

3025
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:06,240
Speaker 3: and like those records playing in the car. Second is

3026
02:17:06,480 --> 02:17:10,360
Speaker 3: probably my favorite song. Interscope Records is Ever put out Okay,

3027
02:17:10,560 --> 02:17:16,160
Speaker 3: which is no Diggity by Blackstreet, fucking jam so Blackstreet,

3028
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 3: and I remember they made that record. Like the very

3029
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:20,320
Speaker 3: first thing I did, the very first day I ever

3030
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:22,800
Speaker 3: was visited Jimmy. The first summer that we did is

3031
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:24,920
Speaker 3: I picked up Teddy and Chauncey from the airport so

3032
02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:27,720
Speaker 3: like and brought him to and brought him to your

3033
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:30,720
Speaker 3: life that's crazy. And I brought him to Gary Shandling's

3034
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:32,680
Speaker 3: house to watch a movie with Warren Baty so like

3035
02:17:33,320 --> 02:17:36,119
Speaker 3: so that that was the first hour I was in

3036
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:40,240
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. So but that song is one of my

3037
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:47,760
Speaker 3: legit favorite songs ever, like Dre coming in remember the

3038
02:17:47,800 --> 02:17:50,000
Speaker 3: Girl Queen Penn on the end the Teddy. But I

3039
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,480
Speaker 3: that song was just I can remember the video, everything

3040
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:54,040
Speaker 3: about it just made me happy.

3041
02:17:54,120 --> 02:17:58,920
Speaker 6: It's crazy you mentioned Warren Baty. I meet Warren Baty randomly.

3042
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:03,119
Speaker 6: When I go to meet Jimmy my first time, when

3043
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:07,600
Speaker 6: I'm eighteen years old. Bo I go to me and

3044
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 6: me and Damon Thomas go to Jimmy's house because at

3045
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:13,879
Speaker 6: the time, everybody was trying to sign me as an artist.

3046
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 6: When I first got to LA and we got invited

3047
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:19,280
Speaker 6: to like one of his parties, I think he was

3048
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:21,920
Speaker 6: at the Malleible House. Still, I think it was Malleable

3049
02:18:21,959 --> 02:18:24,199
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm not sure. If I'm eighteen, this.

3050
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:25,520
Speaker 3: Is he moved to ninety nine.

3051
02:18:25,879 --> 02:18:29,240
Speaker 4: Yep, this is ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight or somebody.

3052
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:31,080
Speaker 3: Working on board. Yeah, that's what it was. Well, that's

3053
02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:32,680
Speaker 3: what it was. So that's what the movie was. Nine.

3054
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:34,119
Speaker 3: You're lying undred.

3055
02:18:33,879 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 6: Percent and we're walking in and Warren Baty has the

3056
02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:40,360
Speaker 6: biggest head I think I've ever seen on a human.

3057
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:44,800
Speaker 4: I don't know why, and I haven't seen him since.

3058
02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:46,160
Speaker 4: I haven't seen him since.

3059
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:48,520
Speaker 6: But maybe I'm just a kid and I'm still I'm eighteen,

3060
02:18:48,560 --> 02:18:50,520
Speaker 6: But I'm like, yo, his head is fucking big as

3061
02:18:50,720 --> 02:18:51,600
Speaker 6: this is what movie.

3062
02:18:51,360 --> 02:18:52,080
Speaker 3: Stars look like.

3063
02:18:52,120 --> 02:18:54,480
Speaker 6: This is what I'm figuring in Hollywood, and Hollywood have

3064
02:18:54,560 --> 02:18:57,080
Speaker 6: got big as heads, you know what I'm saying. Like

3065
02:18:57,120 --> 02:18:58,720
Speaker 6: me and Ty reached the same height, but he looks

3066
02:18:58,760 --> 02:19:00,640
Speaker 6: taller than me because he's had is bigger mind. I'm like,

3067
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:03,920
Speaker 6: you gotta have a big head to be a Hollywood superstar.

3068
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:06,160
Speaker 6: But Warren Baty has the biggest head I ever seen

3069
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:11,400
Speaker 6: in my life on a human. And I'm like, no, baby,

3070
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:12,920
Speaker 6: and he's walking out like.

3071
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:16,720
Speaker 3: A nice to meet she. I'm like, yep, okay, this

3072
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:20,280
Speaker 3: shit is different. No, yeah, it was a very uh yeah.

3073
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:22,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's my I met Warren Baty's story.

3074
02:19:23,480 --> 02:19:25,600
Speaker 3: But Black Street was I always a big Black Street fan.

3075
02:19:25,640 --> 02:19:30,080
Speaker 3: I love Teddy and yeah and that yeah, that's all

3076
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:34,800
Speaker 3: that one third. I mean another probab. Maybe my favorite

3077
02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:37,720
Speaker 3: song is R Kelly remixed to Ignition, which is like

3078
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,120
Speaker 3: and it was a song that the kitchen like that

3079
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:42,760
Speaker 3: I could picture like was jimmy'savorite song for so long,

3080
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:45,000
Speaker 3: and it would be like playing somewhere and like it

3081
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,000
Speaker 3: was like the remix to Ignition will come on at

3082
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:48,560
Speaker 3: the party and it would be like what damn Like

3083
02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:51,439
Speaker 3: it was like so Remix to Ignition brings back incredible

3084
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:54,480
Speaker 3: memories for me, and I absolutely love, you know, love

3085
02:19:54,560 --> 02:20:01,039
Speaker 3: that record. Fourth probably my favorite real like not that

3086
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:02,720
Speaker 3: No Diggity isn't a real arm B song, but or

3087
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:05,119
Speaker 3: like R and B R and B song I should

3088
02:20:05,160 --> 02:20:08,200
Speaker 3: Have Cheated, which is my favorite Cole record, which is

3089
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:10,600
Speaker 3: like when I heard that, I was like, just the

3090
02:20:10,959 --> 02:20:14,320
Speaker 3: and just the and I was like that's when I knew,

3091
02:20:14,480 --> 02:20:16,280
Speaker 3: Like that's when I knew Keisha, Like that's when I

3092
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:18,760
Speaker 3: was like, okay, she could be like that one ron

3093
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:22,080
Speaker 3: and from twelve twelve yep, like and it's like he's

3094
02:20:22,200 --> 02:20:24,680
Speaker 3: an incredible writer in her own right that song like

3095
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:26,440
Speaker 3: is I was like, I shouldn't she just still my face?

3096
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 3: Like I fight for it to be in every set,

3097
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:29,640
Speaker 3: every time we do anything. I'm like it has to be.

3098
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:31,959
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like it's my and then we already

3099
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:37,800
Speaker 3: talked about it, so I kind of already like already

3100
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,680
Speaker 3: discussed why this song is so important to me. But

3101
02:20:41,080 --> 02:20:43,920
Speaker 3: my fifth song, which is the only time like in

3102
02:20:43,959 --> 02:20:47,800
Speaker 3: my like I we cracked the code and released a

3103
02:20:47,959 --> 02:20:51,800
Speaker 3: record that was so infectious is Turning Me turning Me

3104
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:54,240
Speaker 3: on carry Hillson a little Wayne, And that was so

3105
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:56,160
Speaker 3: impactful to my life because we figured it out and

3106
02:20:56,200 --> 02:20:59,840
Speaker 3: we cracked we broke broken artists. Yeah, and then that

3107
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 3: went into Knock You Down and went into all of that.

3108
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:07,959
Speaker 3: But like that song was and then and like honorable

3109
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:10,440
Speaker 3: mention to promise because that was such a special moment

3110
02:21:10,480 --> 02:21:12,960
Speaker 3: with us with Polo slowed it down when everybody wanted

3111
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,240
Speaker 3: to speed it up and him and Jasper made that record.

3112
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:17,480
Speaker 3: That was a really cool moment and all that stuff.

3113
02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:22,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, topicks, those are my top five, top five

3114
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:26,400
Speaker 3: and top five, Oh and tanks top five well yeah,

3115
02:21:26,840 --> 02:21:33,200
Speaker 3: top seven really tanks top five really really deserves to

3116
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:34,920
Speaker 3: be Like it doesn't get enough credit.

3117
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:38,959
Speaker 6: I don't now listen he just like on verses he

3118
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 6: made up the turtle neck, so like he made up

3119
02:21:41,560 --> 02:21:44,600
Speaker 6: to have We talked about segments and we needed segments.

3120
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:46,720
Speaker 4: He made up that song on the spot.

3121
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:49,520
Speaker 3: He's like I got one, Like what the fuck roast,

3122
02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:52,880
Speaker 3: but I believe he made that up on the spot.

3123
02:21:52,959 --> 02:21:56,120
Speaker 3: For shoot, each version is sounds like a song I

3124
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:58,199
Speaker 3: would make up, like pick up a word.

3125
02:21:59,080 --> 02:22:02,080
Speaker 6: Probaby version of it. Know it's different. Yeah No, he's

3126
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:04,400
Speaker 6: I mean he is the remix to Ignition.

3127
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:06,560
Speaker 3: I mean, but it's I mean, Tank is funny as

3128
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:13,000
Speaker 3: he's like he's he's one on one as well.

3129
02:22:13,080 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 6: All right, so now let's get into your voltron vultron

3130
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:21,320
Speaker 6: thing where you build this super R and B artists

3131
02:22:21,959 --> 02:22:27,760
Speaker 6: from top to bottom, the vocals, the stage performance, the styling,

3132
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:32,800
Speaker 6: and the passion behind the artists or the passion of

3133
02:22:32,879 --> 02:22:38,320
Speaker 6: the artists. So first, if you're building your perfect R

3134
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:45,520
Speaker 6: and B singer megatron votron, who's the vocals, who's singing

3135
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:46,080
Speaker 6: the songs?

3136
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:48,880
Speaker 3: I feel like it's impossible for it, like I mean,

3137
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,800
Speaker 3: not to be Whitney Houston as much as like I want,

3138
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:54,720
Speaker 3: I want to, like, it's just not like so it's

3139
02:22:54,760 --> 02:22:56,240
Speaker 3: kind of hard not not to be.

3140
02:22:58,400 --> 02:23:01,720
Speaker 6: I guess Whitney Us is my singer who stays performance,

3141
02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:05,400
Speaker 6: Like who is going to kill the show as a performer.

3142
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:08,040
Speaker 3: Making you some making you choose between Chris and Usher

3143
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:11,080
Speaker 3: is unfair. But I guess you want to do this. No,

3144
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,959
Speaker 3: I mean like I mean, like literally like Chris Raymond

3145
02:23:14,120 --> 02:23:16,959
Speaker 3: Usher Brown. I mean that's I mean, that's what it is.

3146
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:23,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus, like two absolutely incredible, But are you

3147
02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:26,080
Speaker 3: choosing one over the other. I mean, I hear you.

3148
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're doing you should I should have done

3149
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:30,400
Speaker 3: it beforehand, but I didn't. So I'm really thinking on

3150
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:30,959
Speaker 3: the fly.

3151
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:33,920
Speaker 4: If you can't decide to do Usher Brown.

3152
02:23:33,959 --> 02:23:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Usher Brown slash it for all right, muches, I

3153
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:38,960
Speaker 3: like competitive and being that who's gonna put the fly

3154
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:45,200
Speaker 3: sh it on Olia Fly some great ones. Yeah, Aliah

3155
02:23:45,240 --> 02:23:48,400
Speaker 3: was Flyna's great, Maya is great.

3156
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:50,560
Speaker 6: But yeah it was fly who got the passion who

3157
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:52,800
Speaker 6: makes you feel it just you just see him just

3158
02:23:52,840 --> 02:23:54,800
Speaker 6: like ah, they just they live in this ship.

3159
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:58,360
Speaker 3: Tisha j BLI I mean, but it's but it's but

3160
02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:02,440
Speaker 3: it's I mean, I love Mary Jame. I mean but

3161
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:04,240
Speaker 3: like because I mean, and I mean and honored to

3162
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:06,720
Speaker 3: Chris because like what he's been through for sure, just

3163
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:08,800
Speaker 3: that passion just to be here is insane. But like

3164
02:24:09,360 --> 02:24:11,480
Speaker 3: you know, I'm riding with Keisha till the wheels fall off.

3165
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:14,680
Speaker 3: So that's what I mean. Like the that's okay. And

3166
02:24:15,000 --> 02:24:17,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you this one. Who's the record executive

3167
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:21,480
Speaker 3: that gets to have this artist. Who's the executive.

3168
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:23,920
Speaker 6: Who's the executive that you know is gonna make sure

3169
02:24:23,959 --> 02:24:25,920
Speaker 6: this artist sells a trillion records?

3170
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:29,080
Speaker 3: Red, come on record, man, I saw how he got

3171
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:35,400
Speaker 3: unforgettable for me, like you gotta like like respect it,

3172
02:24:35,480 --> 02:24:38,119
Speaker 3: like you gotta respect it. Don't get me wrong, Jimmy's

3173
02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:40,000
Speaker 3: a monster in so many ways. But on R and

3174
02:24:40,040 --> 02:24:42,480
Speaker 3: B and going here with those kinds of things, La

3175
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,200
Speaker 3: Red l A Red. I mean I've seen it. I've

3176
02:24:44,200 --> 02:24:45,840
Speaker 3: seen the jump on the table, I've seen all of it.

3177
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:48,480
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you get me to this day. L A

3178
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:52,280
Speaker 6: not fucking around. No, he's not fucking around. If he

3179
02:24:52,400 --> 02:24:54,400
Speaker 6: believe in something, he gonna fight.

3180
02:24:55,560 --> 02:24:55,640
Speaker 5: Now.

3181
02:24:55,720 --> 02:24:58,440
Speaker 3: I love that. I love that. No, that was great, bro,

3182
02:24:58,720 --> 02:25:00,600
Speaker 3: I mean it was Yeah, that was great.

3183
02:25:00,840 --> 02:25:03,360
Speaker 4: That was great. That's a great vote, Tron. I think

3184
02:25:03,400 --> 02:25:05,960
Speaker 4: so that's a great executive to bring it all home.

3185
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:07,160
Speaker 3: Yep, I think so.

3186
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:07,800
Speaker 4: All right.

3187
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:10,720
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna ask me like producer, it's

3188
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:11,160
Speaker 3: not prepared.

3189
02:25:11,320 --> 02:25:11,960
Speaker 4: I know you wasn't.

3190
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:14,160
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh wow, I'm telling you curve balls, bro,

3191
02:25:14,360 --> 02:25:15,240
Speaker 6: because You're not a producer.

3192
02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:16,760
Speaker 3: You're an executive, So I'm not I'm not.

3193
02:25:16,920 --> 02:25:18,920
Speaker 4: No, you're an executive.

3194
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:20,600
Speaker 6: So that's why you got to You gotta tell us

3195
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:23,520
Speaker 6: who your top when for that artist? Who that is?

3196
02:25:23,560 --> 02:25:26,400
Speaker 6: And that's l a read. We got one more section, man,

3197
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:28,640
Speaker 6: we got one more section. But what we got?

3198
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:31,080
Speaker 4: What we got before we let you go? Ruben got

3199
02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:31,640
Speaker 4: something else for.

3200
02:25:31,720 --> 02:25:32,320
Speaker 3: You real quick?

3201
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:43,879
Speaker 4: Hey yeah, yeah, DJ, come on, but what.

3202
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:57,640
Speaker 3: Huh? Very important part of this show? Will you tell

3203
02:25:57,720 --> 02:25:58,880
Speaker 3: us a story? Funny?

3204
02:25:58,879 --> 02:26:02,400
Speaker 6: Are fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only

3205
02:26:02,480 --> 02:26:05,200
Speaker 6: rude to the game. DJ can't tell us no name.

3206
02:26:05,480 --> 02:26:07,240
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever told the story without saying name.

3207
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:09,560
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be fun. But I got I got

3208
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:14,760
Speaker 3: two like what you got. So very first year I'm

3209
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:18,039
Speaker 3: in I come to visit m hm. I go to

3210
02:26:18,320 --> 02:26:23,760
Speaker 3: lunch with one of my boys who's meeting another guy

3211
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:28,080
Speaker 3: who works in the industry, and they start talking and

3212
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm just there. I'm just a fly on the wall.

3213
02:26:30,320 --> 02:26:33,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't really whatever. I'm just there and they start

3214
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:38,879
Speaker 3: talking and they are talking about how to make it

3215
02:26:38,920 --> 02:26:40,400
Speaker 3: in the industry and trying to come up as young

3216
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:43,120
Speaker 3: a and RS and all this stuff, and all of

3217
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:49,320
Speaker 3: a sudden they start talking about how, well, I guess

3218
02:26:49,320 --> 02:26:55,080
Speaker 3: I can't say any names. Someone's nephew now works records

3219
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:58,840
Speaker 3: and he's gonna try to take somebody's job, and and man,

3220
02:26:58,879 --> 02:27:00,680
Speaker 3: that you with why we all got to stick together

3221
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:05,080
Speaker 3: now mineus saying. I'm sitting at the table, So I'm

3222
02:27:05,160 --> 02:27:08,040
Speaker 3: jumping into this conversation being like, yeah, man, that shit

3223
02:27:08,120 --> 02:27:10,360
Speaker 3: is crazy, Like you got to like make sure like

3224
02:27:10,440 --> 02:27:13,160
Speaker 3: this doesn't happen, and you got to make sure like

3225
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:15,600
Speaker 3: people like nepotism is crazy. It's like I can't believe

3226
02:27:15,640 --> 02:27:17,440
Speaker 3: they let that happen because like he didn't earn it.

3227
02:27:17,560 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 3: Now I'm just like diving into this because I think

3228
02:27:19,360 --> 02:27:21,520
Speaker 3: it's hysterical. Like at this point, I have no interest

3229
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:23,320
Speaker 3: in working in the music anstrua. I'm literally just visiting

3230
02:27:23,480 --> 02:27:25,400
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm like, this is the funniest shit in

3231
02:27:25,440 --> 02:27:27,920
Speaker 3: the whole universe. So I literally took place in this

3232
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:34,080
Speaker 3: absolutely this like full shit talking meal about you about well,

3233
02:27:34,120 --> 02:27:35,320
Speaker 3: I don't know who it was it was. I can't

3234
02:27:35,360 --> 02:27:39,120
Speaker 3: say names, so it was somebody's nephew and it was

3235
02:27:39,400 --> 02:27:44,760
Speaker 3: literally absolutely incredible. Like so that is like and still

3236
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:49,560
Speaker 3: to this day, it's like absolutely hysterical, but like, yeah,

3237
02:27:49,560 --> 02:27:51,279
Speaker 3: that was legitimately amazing.

3238
02:27:51,480 --> 02:27:55,720
Speaker 6: And then so you can say your name. Yeah, they

3239
02:27:55,720 --> 02:27:56,720
Speaker 6: were clearly talking about you.

3240
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:57,120
Speaker 3: We know that.

3241
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:00,560
Speaker 6: So my question though is that the did you ever

3242
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:03,320
Speaker 6: at any point did you ever be like, yeah, I

3243
02:28:03,360 --> 02:28:04,840
Speaker 6: remember when I was talking about.

3244
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:10,800
Speaker 3: Years later, Yeah, it's amazing, amazing honestly they realized it. Well,

3245
02:28:10,840 --> 02:28:12,520
Speaker 3: I don't like that, like you know, it's kind of

3246
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:14,879
Speaker 3: like a I don't remember, but like it was like,

3247
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:18,080
Speaker 3: but whatever, it is what it is amazing. Second, so

3248
02:28:18,840 --> 02:28:22,640
Speaker 3: for a long time, have made obviously restaurants my home,

3249
02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:25,760
Speaker 3: like where I like ever since I stopped working at Interscope,

3250
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:30,039
Speaker 3: I've kind of like moved around. I've been all the places,

3251
02:28:30,040 --> 02:28:31,720
Speaker 3: but I kind of like I liked that energy. So

3252
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:33,360
Speaker 3: the only way I could rebuild that was by moving

3253
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:35,800
Speaker 3: into restaurants. And that's kind of how like to make

3254
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:37,680
Speaker 3: it like kind of like my own world as opposed

3255
02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:39,200
Speaker 3: to like sitting in a satellite office it kind of

3256
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:41,959
Speaker 3: feels like a library. But I started doing that early on.

3257
02:28:42,480 --> 02:28:46,400
Speaker 3: And this is when I'm still at Interscope. I had

3258
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:52,400
Speaker 3: a client and the client was doing really well, but

3259
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:56,800
Speaker 3: they were they were approaching the end of their deal

3260
02:28:57,000 --> 02:28:59,920
Speaker 3: with me, and I honestly don't even believe in deal.

3261
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm very much a handshake person when it comes to management.

3262
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:03,520
Speaker 3: So this was like a weird situation, but it just

3263
02:29:03,560 --> 02:29:07,840
Speaker 3: happened that way. But like a conversation come up with

3264
02:29:07,879 --> 02:29:10,600
Speaker 3: another executive who reached out to me about possibly partnering

3265
02:29:10,879 --> 02:29:16,320
Speaker 3: about this artist, about this client, and I explained to

3266
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:18,720
Speaker 3: them why it couldn't happen, and then not that I

3267
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:20,280
Speaker 3: didn't like the idea, but I was already in a

3268
02:29:20,320 --> 02:29:22,560
Speaker 3: situation so it couldn't happen. We go back and forth,

3269
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:25,480
Speaker 3: and I'm like, listen, I'm a very straight shooter. I'm like, listen,

3270
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:27,840
Speaker 3: like my situation, like I don't know what this artist

3271
02:29:27,879 --> 02:29:31,879
Speaker 3: is thinking. But if they I'm hoping we work together

3272
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:34,640
Speaker 3: because we're doing really well. But if it doesn't work out,

3273
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:38,720
Speaker 3: like I understand, business is business like shit happens, like

3274
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:41,080
Speaker 3: like if it's something like I don't control people, like

3275
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:43,720
Speaker 3: I'm a businessman, so I understand I don't. I won't

3276
02:29:43,720 --> 02:29:47,080
Speaker 3: feel any type of way whatever person says, there's zero

3277
02:29:47,240 --> 02:29:49,440
Speaker 3: chance now that you've told me what it is, that

3278
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:52,000
Speaker 3: I would ever do that. Like the relationship isn't worth

3279
02:29:52,040 --> 02:29:55,680
Speaker 3: it. It's just not worth it. You're like my guy and

3280
02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:57,880
Speaker 3: your guy's relationship is too big. This is too big.

3281
02:29:57,959 --> 02:30:00,680
Speaker 3: Everything is too big. There is no reason and there's

3282
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:03,720
Speaker 3: nothing about it that's worth it. And I go, okay,

3283
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:05,720
Speaker 3: but I was like, you don't got to do all that?

3284
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:07,800
Speaker 3: But all right, fine whatever he goes, No, for sure,

3285
02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:14,120
Speaker 3: beat it to death. Okay, cool. Needless to say, a

3286
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:20,640
Speaker 3: couple months later, contract runs out the person we don't continue,

3287
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:23,600
Speaker 3: it goes and the person ends up working with the

3288
02:30:23,640 --> 02:30:31,240
Speaker 3: other person. I reach out like, hey, what's up. No response,

3289
02:30:31,400 --> 02:30:34,520
Speaker 3: no response, no response, and literally the text that I'll

3290
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:39,040
Speaker 3: never forget is I gotta feed my kids. And that

3291
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:41,560
Speaker 3: was it. And it just kind of like I was like,

3292
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:45,560
Speaker 3: but I said, it was fun Like what, like why

3293
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:49,120
Speaker 3: go through all that extra? But and the reason I

3294
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:51,720
Speaker 3: brought up the restaurant is that the like the meeting

3295
02:30:51,720 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 3: actually happened to Jerry's Deli in Westwood to where I

3296
02:30:53,800 --> 02:30:55,520
Speaker 3: made where I started making people come to visit me

3297
02:30:55,560 --> 02:30:57,320
Speaker 3: at times because I was like, this is funny making

3298
02:30:57,360 --> 02:30:58,840
Speaker 3: all these hot shots come to a deli you need

3299
02:30:58,879 --> 02:31:00,760
Speaker 3: a turkey sandwich with mestead of going sit at their

3300
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:03,840
Speaker 3: cool guy fancy places, but like which was also in Westwood,

3301
02:31:03,879 --> 02:31:06,039
Speaker 3: right by the name right by that Jerry's. But there

3302
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:08,200
Speaker 3: were a lot of Jerry's. But yeah, so that was like,

3303
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:10,440
Speaker 3: so the first one was really funny and it's kind

3304
02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:11,959
Speaker 3: of fucked up. The second one was just really fucked

3305
02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:13,320
Speaker 3: up and just shows like how I mean, at the

3306
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:14,280
Speaker 3: end of the day, it was what it was. It

3307
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:16,120
Speaker 3: was the deal that was. Nothing was taken, the deal

3308
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:17,360
Speaker 3: was up, and it was it was just like the

3309
02:31:18,120 --> 02:31:22,360
Speaker 3: the mindset like I have to lie even though you're

3310
02:31:22,360 --> 02:31:24,879
Speaker 3: giving me the opportunity to not lie, Like I just

3311
02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:27,200
Speaker 3: have to say the opposite of what would make it

3312
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:29,080
Speaker 3: easy for no reason, now you know what the DJ

3313
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:31,000
Speaker 3: I gotta feed my kids, ye.

3314
02:31:34,879 --> 02:31:40,480
Speaker 6: Like like fuck, yeah, this is the business that we're in.

3315
02:31:40,840 --> 02:31:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even that the business that we're in.

3316
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:47,280
Speaker 6: It's business it is, you know, and everybody handles their

3317
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:48,280
Speaker 6: business the way they do.

3318
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:53,240
Speaker 3: I just didn't believe, Yeah, that went that far out

3319
02:31:53,240 --> 02:31:55,720
Speaker 3: of their way to say this, to just say the

3320
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:58,199
Speaker 3: exact opposite of what the world when it didn't matter.

3321
02:31:58,480 --> 02:31:59,959
Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were trying to take somebody who

3322
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:02,880
Speaker 3: years up and like it was like Okay, I mean,

3323
02:32:02,920 --> 02:32:04,800
Speaker 3: no matter what, I'm not a real contract guy. But

3324
02:32:04,840 --> 02:32:06,440
Speaker 3: when you sign a contract, the reason is because when

3325
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:08,600
Speaker 3: it's up, you get to make another decision. That's basically

3326
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:11,480
Speaker 3: the concept. Like, so there's no like, I'm like a

3327
02:32:11,560 --> 02:32:14,200
Speaker 3: very logical person. Obviously there's a motion involved in everything.

3328
02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:15,680
Speaker 3: You work hard on things. But still it was like

3329
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:19,400
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is wild. But I was like,

3330
02:32:19,959 --> 02:32:22,199
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I was like, I that's cool.

3331
02:32:22,920 --> 02:32:27,080
Speaker 6: A man, you've had a you've had an amazing career

3332
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:28,600
Speaker 6: and you're having an amazing career.

3333
02:32:28,680 --> 02:32:33,400
Speaker 3: Bro, this has been cool. It's been a blast. I've

3334
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:36,080
Speaker 3: I mean, watching you grow to what you guys have

3335
02:32:36,120 --> 02:32:38,680
Speaker 3: built this thing to is incredible than you like knowing

3336
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:40,400
Speaker 3: you a long time and watching you and seeing how

3337
02:32:40,400 --> 02:32:42,520
Speaker 3: good you are at it. I mean, honestly, you're to

3338
02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:47,960
Speaker 3: be fair, you're, if not the person one of the

3339
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:50,480
Speaker 3: two or three people that convinced me to do it myself.

3340
02:32:50,879 --> 02:32:53,240
Speaker 3: So like and like, but like, what you guys have

3341
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:54,920
Speaker 3: done is incredible and it's a blast, and I love

3342
02:32:54,959 --> 02:32:56,720
Speaker 3: watching it and I love getting a chance to be

3343
02:32:56,760 --> 02:32:57,000
Speaker 3: a point.

3344
02:32:57,040 --> 02:32:59,280
Speaker 6: No, man, thank you, and before you, before before we

3345
02:32:59,320 --> 02:33:01,039
Speaker 6: get out of here, man, I want to say too,

3346
02:33:01,280 --> 02:33:02,760
Speaker 6: I had a blast at your wedding.

3347
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:06,800
Speaker 3: The fact that you did the.

3348
02:33:06,920 --> 02:33:11,800
Speaker 6: Crank that Soldier Boy with Soldier Boy at your wedding

3349
02:33:12,800 --> 02:33:14,720
Speaker 6: and also had the Yin Yang twins.

3350
02:33:14,879 --> 02:33:17,480
Speaker 3: That was the fact that I was able to have

3351
02:33:17,640 --> 02:33:19,680
Speaker 3: incredible the fact that I was able to get people

3352
02:33:19,720 --> 02:33:21,720
Speaker 3: to stay like and everybody assumed because I said, you know,

3353
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:23,600
Speaker 3: the greatest rap group of all time is closing the wedding,

3354
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:26,320
Speaker 3: and like obviously like Paul and everybody that I'm from

3355
02:33:26,320 --> 02:33:28,600
Speaker 3: Staten Island, They're like the Wu Tang clan is coming.

3356
02:33:28,600 --> 02:33:30,959
Speaker 3: Who is like my But I love the y They're

3357
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:34,040
Speaker 3: in a better party in the world. So I mean, no,

3358
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:36,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Soldier Boy was incredible. Will what he did

3359
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:38,400
Speaker 3: was amazing. Timberland was I mean, I mean the fact

3360
02:33:38,400 --> 02:33:40,080
Speaker 3: that everybody showed up and really showed out for me,

3361
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:42,560
Speaker 3: it was an absolute blast. I mean my wife, like

3362
02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:47,000
Speaker 3: everything she put into that was insane. But uh, it was.

3363
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:48,800
Speaker 3: It was an incredible night and I appreciate you for

3364
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:51,080
Speaker 3: being there, but it was absolutely I wouldn't missed it.

3365
02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:52,520
Speaker 3: It was a it was a it was a blast,

3366
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, I feel about you and your wife. Man, Yeah,

3367
02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 3: my peoples, bro was it was a blast.

3368
02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:59,320
Speaker 6: No, so thank you for pulling up on me. Bro,

3369
02:33:59,640 --> 02:34:03,040
Speaker 6: this is gonna be great. We dressed tolike and you

3370
02:34:03,080 --> 02:34:06,400
Speaker 6: don't have I don't have favy socks. Oh I don't.

3371
02:34:06,840 --> 02:34:08,400
Speaker 3: My daughter, he's a real girl.

3372
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:08,760
Speaker 1: Dad.

3373
02:34:08,879 --> 02:34:10,840
Speaker 3: Every time I got like thirty different pairents of these

3374
02:34:10,879 --> 02:34:13,720
Speaker 3: socks with different pictures of herself a single day.

3375
02:34:13,600 --> 02:34:15,680
Speaker 6: I wish we still had the fake work run so

3376
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:16,680
Speaker 6: you could hoop in those.

3377
02:34:16,760 --> 02:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Bro. DJ can shoot the ball, just so y'all know this.

3378
02:34:19,800 --> 02:34:21,480
Speaker 4: He don't. He don't do much sweating and running, but

3379
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:22,959
Speaker 4: still if he catches.

3380
02:34:23,080 --> 02:34:26,680
Speaker 3: A standstill Olympics I'm a Michaels type athlete, his catch

3381
02:34:26,720 --> 02:34:31,720
Speaker 3: and shoot is deadly. The condition if there's air conditioning,

3382
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:33,760
Speaker 3: somebody brings me an iced t I could do almost things.

3383
02:34:34,200 --> 02:34:35,400
Speaker 3: That's basically the whole thing.

3384
02:34:35,440 --> 02:34:39,680
Speaker 6: And listen, I'm J Valentine. This is the RB Buddy Podcast,

3385
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:41,840
Speaker 6: and this is my brother DJ mar Milly.

3386
02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:43,160
Speaker 3: Let's see y'all next week.