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Speaker 2: We are going to talk now with Michael Miche. We've

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Speaker 2: had Michael Miche on twice already in recent weeks. He

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Speaker 2: that after studying fifty years of California gas prices, he

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Speaker 2: came to this conclusion, Virtually all the problem has been

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Speaker 2: with the California government. That's why you pay five bucks

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Speaker 2: a gallon for gas. It's taxes, fees, regulations, just the

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Speaker 2: hostility has created a climate where gas ends up costing

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Speaker 2: you five bucks ago.

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Speaker 1: It's simple.

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Speaker 2: And he found no widespread price manipulation or price gouging.

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Speaker 2: That's another big lie that Kevin Newsom tells now he's

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Speaker 2: created mooring more more.

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Speaker 1: Discomfort for Gavin Newsom. I think that's the word.

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Speaker 2: Because two refineries are closing over the next year. And

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Speaker 2: a half or so of the Phillips sixty six refinery

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Speaker 2: in northern California. So Michael mcchee says that that's going

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Speaker 2: bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and he's only guessing anyway. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's get to Michael mache and see see about all this. Michael,

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Speaker 3: I'm terrific, John, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, I'm certain that your research is correct. If

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm stunned. H absolutely stunned at the response. Didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's it's really childish. Because Newsom, I

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know how to handle it because he has

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Speaker 2: there's no other political party, and the news media is

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Speaker 1: And that's why you got the big smear.

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Speaker 2: Where did he get the idea that you're being paid

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Speaker 3: I have no clue, absolutely none. Back in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: it's been disclosed since twenty eighteen. I did a piece

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Speaker 3: It had everything to do with diversifying the Saudi economy

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Speaker 3: away from petroleum. It's called Vision twenty thirty and in

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Speaker 3: So we import a lot of oil from Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: I read your analysis.

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Speaker 2: I read your analysis and recommendations, and that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Is that you were warning people that if we lose

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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, you have other oil producing nations too, and

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Speaker 3: financial statements and anticipation and closing operations. The question then becomes,

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Speaker 3: the reduction and in state production. It's a simple question,

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Speaker 3: greenhouse effect by importing all this oil? Are we actually

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Speaker 3: increasing greenhouse emissions by doing this or reducing greenhouse emissions?

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Speaker 3: That's one. But we know we're going to increase the price.

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Speaker 2: So no, this is a political sphere job.

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Speaker 1: That's what they do. Yeah, you know, look.

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Speaker 3: I like I said, I thought I thought that the

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Speaker 3: if I had been invited by the governor to come

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Speaker 3: the first plane at my own expense and said, look,

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Speaker 3: you know here, you know, here's here's what the models

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Speaker 3: but we do know this that there are controllable components

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Speaker 3: components are the state excise tax, the cap and trade fees,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the proof that you're right is every day I

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Speaker 2: look at the Triple A site. It has state by

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Speaker 2: at your research is one hundred percent right. It's entirely

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, I mean, as I said, over the

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Speaker 3: price gouging or price manipulation or supply manipulation. Yes, do

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Speaker 3: refinery shut down, yes. Do they have unplanned shutdowns, Yes,

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Speaker 3: And I might add that California refineries are some of

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Speaker 1: Michael, thank you for coming on again.

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Speaker 2: You know you're doing honest research and producing facts, and

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Speaker 2: That's just the way the political world is. They lie

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Speaker 3: Thanks John.

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Speaker 2: It's a book by Susan Crabtree and Jed McPhatter and

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Speaker 2: it is a whole review of Gavin Newsom's political life.

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Speaker 2: And I have I've read some of this book and

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Speaker 2: we had the uh he had Susan on and what

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Speaker 2: what Michael has done is really honed in on what

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Speaker 2: Newsom did to contribute to the massive homelessness that's overtaken

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Speaker 2: much of California. Let's get Michael Schellenberger on. Welcome.

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Speaker 1: How are you great?

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Speaker 2: John?

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Speaker 2: I really, I really do enjoy your your newsletter, your

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate that quite a bit, and.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend everybody subscribe to it. So you focused

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Speaker 2: on in this particular post the other day was how

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Speaker 2: much Gavin Newsom contributed so dramatically increasing homelessness and crime

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Speaker 2: here in California. Talk about his policies which created or

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's pretty straightforward, and I think a lot

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Speaker 5: of your listeners will understand this, But the policies have

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Speaker 5: essentially incentivized homelessness, drug addiction, untreated mental illness, which are

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Speaker 5: at the heart of the problem. Three numbers for you

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Speaker 2: Why the guys a rich kid from the Bay Area.

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Speaker 2: And now that it's clearly a massive failure, they just

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Speaker 5: Oh, you just said it right there. I mean, so

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Speaker 2: Sure, I want to talk about that when we come back,

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Speaker 1: It's clear. Yes, Michael Schellenberger is on.

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Speaker 2: He's got a great piece Public dot News is his website.

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Speaker 2: You should subscribe to it, on how Gavin Newsom has

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John cobelts on demand from KFI six forty.

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Speaker 2: We're on every day from one to four and then

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Speaker 2: continue with Michael Schellenberger. He's got a several great pieces

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Speaker 2: out this week. Gavin Newsom is the worst governor in America.

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Speaker 2: That's the title of one of them at his news site,

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Speaker 2: public dot News, which you ought to subscribe to. Well,

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Speaker 2: and he's acting in strange ways, trying to embrace right

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Speaker 1: What is he trying to do? What is he going

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, Gavin made a mistake. He listened to

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's another characteristic of his reign, is that

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Speaker 5: So you know, look, lives have been lost as a result.

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Speaker 2: You think he goes through with running for president because

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Speaker 5: Well, No, I think you're exactly right. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: think he's deaf running I mean that's why he did

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Speaker 5: the podcast, That's why he's having conservatives on his podcast

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Speaker 5: with him. That's why he's been carefully and deliberately changing

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Speaker 5: his position on a number of issues. But I think

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Speaker 5: you're right. I mean, it is the podcasting era, it's

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Speaker 5: the social media era that has been disruptive. It allowed

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Speaker 5: for the election of Donald Trump and a Republican majority

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Speaker 5: really only made possible by Elon Musk. Purchase of x

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Speaker 5: X is not a friendly place for Gavin Newsom anymore.

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Speaker 5: You know, the media are themselves more skeptical because in

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Speaker 5: some ways they are now following x which is the

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Speaker 5: leading media platform. But I think you're exactly right. The

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Speaker 5: problem for Gavin Newsom and for really all Democrats is

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Speaker 5: that they need to appeal to swing voters, and those

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Speaker 5: swing voters agree much more with the base of the nationalist,

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Speaker 5: populist Republican Party than they do with the base of

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Speaker 5: the Democrat Party. The base of the Democrat Party wants

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Speaker 5: to transgender children, and they want trans and sports. They

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Speaker 5: want they want to make energy expensive, they want to

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Speaker 5: let people out of prison, they want to leave people

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Speaker 5: on the streets to die. That's what the base of

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party wants.

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Speaker 1: All Right, one more question.

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Speaker 5: Voters won the exact opposite.

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Speaker 2: All Right, one more thing before I got to go

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Speaker 2: eight point fifty a gallon for gas? How did if

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Speaker 2: that happens, How's he going to survive that?

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Speaker 5: It's a great question. I mean, there's a way in

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Speaker 5: which he's still it's kind of still. You see him

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Speaker 5: pivoting a little bit. But the real world has moved

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Speaker 5: so far, so fast than the last year or two,

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Speaker 5: and he's still sort of stuck in that night, that

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty period, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty period when climate

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Speaker 5: apocalypse was, you know, maybe the biggest issue in the world.

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Speaker 5: I don't I think he's pivoting. I don't think he's

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Speaker 5: pivoting fast enough.

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Speaker 2: Good talking with you again, Michael, Michael Schellenberger, Public Dot News.

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Speaker 5: Jean, great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: You should too, and you can keep track of every

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Speaker 2: single thing we do here. Well, listen to this. There's

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Speaker 2: just nobody you can trust, Nobody to believe in. A

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Speaker 2: Westminster police officer claimed over six hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: workers comp for a head injury that she claimed kept

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Speaker 2: her from working. Investigators found that she had no trouble

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Speaker 2: skiing at Mammoth Mountain, going to Disneyland, or dancing at Stagecoach.

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Speaker 2: She's now facing fifteen felonies workers' comp insurance fraud. Her

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Speaker 2: name is Nicole Brown. If she's convicted of all the charges,

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Speaker 2: she faces up to twenty two years in prison. That's

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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars tax money. Yeah, she ought to

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Speaker 2: go to prison for twenty two years. She had a

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Speaker 2: minor cut on her forehead while trying to handcuff a

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Speaker 2: suspect in March of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: She go to the emergency room.

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Speaker 2: The er doctor releases her no restrictions, but she didn't

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Speaker 2: return to work for more than a year. She claimed

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Speaker 2: severe concussion syndrome she was diagnosed with. That found some

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Speaker 2: suspect doctor and started collecting over six hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: They also think her stepfather, Peter Schumann, worked with Nicole

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Speaker 2: Brown to I just realize her name, to orchestrate the

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Speaker 2: whole scheme. She claimed she couldn't work, she had headaches, dizziness,

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Speaker 2: sensitivity to light and noise. However, in April of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, she was and drinking at Stagecoach. Seventy five

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Speaker 2: thousand other people were there, seventy five thousand witnesses, loud music,

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Speaker 2: bright lights, the temperatures were over one hundred degrees and

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Speaker 2: she was having no problem. They also found that she

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Speaker 2: went snowboarding or skiing at Mammoth Mountain and Big Dare,

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Speaker 2: Big Bear.

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Speaker 1: She ran two five k races.

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Speaker 2: She went to three soccer conferences, she went to Disneyland,

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Speaker 2: went out golfing, and she started taking online courses with

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Speaker 2: the local university. Three days after she was at Stagecoach,

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Speaker 2: she had a zoom meeting to talk with the Westminster

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Speaker 2: Police Department about what duties she still could perform even

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Speaker 2: though she had this head injury. Brown was sitting in

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Speaker 2: a dark room, claimed she could not look at the screen.

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Speaker 2: The stepfather Schumann did all the talking and stated she

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Speaker 2: couldn't even She couldn't even do the paperwork. Maybe can't

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Speaker 2: do phone calls either, and then she was admitted to

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Speaker 2: an impatient center for traumatic brain injuries, all apparently fake

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Speaker 2: according to prosecutors. You know what she for one of

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Speaker 2: the jobs she had when she was a Westminster police officer,

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Speaker 2: a homeless lives on offer, lives on officer trying to

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Speaker 2: connect people experiencing homelessness to resources. What why do journalists

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Speaker 2: write in government jargon which is designed to obscure the truth.

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Speaker 2: It's drug addicts and mental patients. They're not experiencing homelessness,

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Speaker 2: They're experiencing drugs and mental illness. And what's resources somebody

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Speaker 2: who could treat the drug addiction and the mental illness?

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Speaker 2: Could you write in English as well? It's the La Times.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course they write in non sensical gibberish.

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Speaker 1: Go back to the English language. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: That is a lot, you know, And I know there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of fraud in fake

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Speaker 2: in workers comp There always has been. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: really have to be outrageous. But because you know, when

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Speaker 2: you go to a when you go to a Stagecoach festival,

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Speaker 2: there's seventy five thousand people, and you go to Big Bear,

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Speaker 2: and you go to Mammoth where there are thousands of people,

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Speaker 2: and then you're running publicly in five k races.

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Speaker 1: People are gonna notice.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get wind of it and make a phone call,

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Speaker 2: leave a tip. That's outrageous. Nicole Brown. Prison, Prison for

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Speaker 2: that woman if she's guilty, all right, and uh Debra

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