1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: We just sing about what we're going through and how 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: we're feeling, and it resonates with people and I mean 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: it's incredible. It's I feel like humbled by it. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 3: I guess. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Music Saved Me. I'm Lynn Hoffman and today 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. We are joined by two members of 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: one of Canada's biggest, most electrifying rock bands, The Truths. 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: For over two decades, they've been delivering powerful songs and 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: unforgettable performances. They've shared the stage globally with the likes 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: of Springsteen and Aerosmith and The Stones and Kiss and 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Guns and Roses, to name a few. They've won multiple 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: awards and reached platinum status congratulations, and their music has 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: been streamed. This just blew me away over one hundred 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: million streams around the world. When have you ever heard 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: of that? That's incredible. On this episode, we will dive 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: deep into the moments when music became more than just 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: a soundtrack for The Truths, when it became a lifeline. 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: We'll hear about the songs that help them through tough times, 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: and how creating and sharing music has shaped their journey 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: and the ways their art has touched the lives of 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: fans around the world. So whether you're a longtime fan 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: of their truths or just discovering their awesome and uplifting, 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: inspiring sound, get ready for an honest, inspiring conversation about 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: the power of music to lift us up, bring us together, 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: and sometimes even dare I say, save us. Colin MacDonald 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: and John Angus, Welcome to the Music Save Me Podcast. 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: So great to have you guys here. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: It's great to be here. Thanks for having us. 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say congratulations because I 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: just found out you've released a couple of singles off 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: of soon to be released album call the Bloody Light. 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: But currently The Breakdown is number one on rock radio 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: all across Canada. I know that's still going to be 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: a huge feeling for you. Even after being rocking for 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: twenty plus years, it still must be an exciting feeling 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: to reach those heights agar with your fans. 38 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: It almost feels even better now because it feels like, 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: you know, people still care after all these years, and 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: that's always really great, and. 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: We still put a lot into it. 42 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: Like the first few times we had some major success 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: at radio, it was all such a It was also 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: new and it was exciting and we we really but 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: now it almost feels a little bit better because it's like, oh, 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: it's still resonating. That's that's really great. 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you still have it. And it's a testament certainly, 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: not only to the skills and talents and the perseverance 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: of you as a band, but also your legions of fans. 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they're still there and they're still strong, and 51 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: they love you so much. 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: That's truly the humbling part. 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 4: When you're a young man, you take so much for granted, 54 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: and like when you get to the top of the 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: mountain for the first time, you just think, hey, this 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: is just. 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 3: The way it is. 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: And then you realize, through all the trials and tribulations 59 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: of a long career, just how incredibly rare success actually is. 60 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: And to get back there it speaks to a couple 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: of things. 62 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: The support of our fans and the support of the industry, 63 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: and then the fact that we've kept up a you know, 64 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: if I may say so, like a fairly high level 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 4: of albums too. So all that takes so much work, 66 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 4: and it takes a team, and it takes you know, 67 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: a good loyal fan base to maintain it. 68 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: That's for sure. And speaking of your fan base, it's 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: obvious that connecting with your fans is important to you. 70 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: And because I know time is of the essence with you, guys, 71 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I want to get right into the meat of the 72 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: conversation right up front. Can each of you remember a moment, 73 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: whether it was during a personal struggle or a tough tour, 74 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: or a pivotal moment in your personal life, that music 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: truly saved you. 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Colin, you want to go first. Yeah, Like I almost 77 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: way too many times to count. I think that's what 78 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: led me to want to do this for a living 79 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: and do it so. It has brought me back from 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: the brain, whether it was a teenage heartbreak or if 81 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: it was you know, major shifts in life as I 82 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: got older. You know, there's been many songs that have 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: helped me along the way. You Know, one that comes 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: to mind is listening to Clay Pigeons, you know, a 85 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: bunch of years ago, going through a bit of a 86 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: rough time, and just in that that those lyrics and 87 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: but both versions, the Blaze Folly in the and the 88 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: John Prime version, we're both very every They were everything 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: to me. It was like those songs that are written 90 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: that like they it's like songs that see you, you know, 91 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: in those moments of vulnerability and when you're kind of 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: just floating and they kind of bring it back down 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: to earth and remember and remind you that you know, 94 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: you're not alone in this in this sadness, you know. 95 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: And that's definitely always been one of my main focuses 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: when when working on a song, I'd like to provide 97 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: that kind of comfort for people, whether it's just when 98 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: they want to rock out and have fun, or when 99 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: when they need something a little bit more you know, emotional, 100 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: like to help them through a rough patch, you know. 101 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: And so that's just one of the moments of many 102 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: where a song has saved me. And I'll just listen 103 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: to it like fifty five times a day age, you know, 104 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: until I feel better, and I always do, you know. 105 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: So I think music's quite powerful like that. 106 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 4: I'll go back to like my teenage years. Colin and 107 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 4: I are brothers, and we were raised a little bit 108 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: like military brats, even though our dad was he was 109 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 4: like an intellectually worked for the universities, but that kept 110 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: him moving around from campus to campus and taking all 111 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 4: five of his kids with him, and we ended up 112 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: down in Jamaica in nineteen ninety three, and I was 113 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 4: like thirteen years old and wrenched out of my social 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: life and put it in like a sort of foreign country. 115 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 4: Certainly felt foreign to me coming from the East Coast, 116 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 4: and all I had was like a Sony Walkman and 117 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: four cassettes. There were three Beatle cassettes, assess that the 118 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: Beatles and Rams automatic for the people. And every day 119 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: I'd get home from school and play all four cassettes 120 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 4: and my headphones front to back, and it just kept 121 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: me connected. 122 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: To like my old life. 123 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: You know. 124 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: It just brought me an incredible comfort when I was 125 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 4: pretty lonely and out of sorts. And those records, like 126 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: to this day, they still they're like my comfort food, 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: you know, Like if all else, you know, I love 128 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: exploring and listening to other things and discovering things, but 129 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: if I can come back to these certain records and 130 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: they feel like home base, you. 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Know, it really is medicinal. Yeah, in nature, for sure. 132 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I was just going through a 133 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: really rough patch the other day, just a little depressed 134 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: over something personal in my life. A friend of mine 135 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: who's not well, and I am so fortunate to get these. 136 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I got to hear your whole album before anyone else 137 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: because you're not releasing it until October. And I'll tell 138 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: you what song did it for me? It was Manifest 139 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: So wait until that one comes out and hits. That 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: was I don't even know what it was truly about. 141 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: But for me, when you look back in hindsight and 142 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: you see what you've manifested and you didn't realize you 143 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: were doing it at the time, that it really happens. 144 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: You can bring about what you want if you put 145 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: your mind to it. 146 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad to hear that you liked that one, 147 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: and yeah, nice to hear that, and I hope it 148 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: helped you out a little bit. 149 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: It certainly did it, really did it? You know, just 150 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: something just clicks in your mind. And depending on how 151 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: many times you want to play it is how many, 152 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: like I would say, if you were going in a 153 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: medicine cabinet and how many advil do you need for 154 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: your pain? Exactly? 155 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: The dosage is how many times you got to put 156 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: it on repeat. Yes, we should have. 157 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Instead of drug commercials, we should have music drug commercials. 158 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: It would be so much better. 159 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: I'll probably safer in the long run too, right, that's 160 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: going to not as many weird side effects now only happy. 161 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 4: Your state is going to call for seven everybody hurts 162 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: seven times, and the. 163 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: Side effects will be like you will develop more empathy, Like, 164 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: they'll be good side effects. 165 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 3: You know. It may cause, may cause crying, may. 166 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Cause spontaneous laughter and happiness. 167 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because healthy expressions of emotional baggage. 168 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: I love it. Hey, after this, we should do that. 169 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: We should do a commercial for it. 170 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I love it. 171 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: That would be so fun band dynamics. I have to know, 172 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: you guys have been together a long time. In what 173 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: ways has being a part of the truth helped you 174 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: navigate life's challenges a lot of times? You know you 175 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: can being in a band. It's like a marriage. You know, 176 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: you're together more than you are with your families. 177 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: It's very true. 178 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: It's it's it's kind of our entire lives and a 179 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: lot of the way our lives shaped up because we've 180 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: been doing this for a very long time. They kind 181 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: of all came together through the band, you know, like 182 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: John I has met his wife and now mother of 183 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: his three children at Age tru Show in like two 184 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: thousand and five, you know, and and I mean, all 185 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: of our lives are kind they kind of revolve around 186 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: our career because it does take so much time, and 187 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: we have that very antient partners and lives and stuff, 188 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: and so yeah, the band's definitely shaped us a lot, 189 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: and in pretty much every way. So oh, hey there's one. 190 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 4: Now, Hi, they won't and now they won't leave me 191 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: alone while I'm doing interviews. 192 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: I love it. Family is welcome. 193 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, if you guys don't mind, I think it's great. 194 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: I just pretty much to echo everything that Colin said. 195 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: It's like you learn a lot about yourself. The really 196 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: challenging thing about being in a band as you start 197 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 4: it when you're in at least in our case, you 198 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: start it as a teenager. 199 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: You know, you start it like with an undeveloped frontal lobe. 200 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: You know, like you're not you're not quite a man, 201 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: and you have to become men together. 202 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't survive. 203 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: That transition because it's really tricky, like it's not your 204 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: wholesale different people. By the time you reach thirty, you 205 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: know so, and then again by the time you reach forty. 206 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 4: So it's like just navigating those waters. I guess we're 207 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 4: lucky that we don't take things too personally. Yeah, I've 208 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 4: been through a lot together and we still managed to 209 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: come together over the music and love what we do, 210 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 4: and so that's that's good fortune. We've lost some members 211 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: along the way because it's really hard to keep everybody together, 212 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: you know, just really it's like life is demanding, and 213 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: life demands different things of different people at different times. 214 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: So we're just I guess we have some good fortune. 215 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 4: Going our way too that we were able still to 216 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: pull it together and do it, that's for sure. 217 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, has there ever been a time where the 218 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: band sort of served as a support system for each other? 219 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: Oh? 220 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, like so many times for me just going through 221 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: times in my life where you know, things haven't felt 222 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: very stable, and I've always sought comfort in writing and 223 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: working with the guys. The music has carried me through 224 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 2: a lot of times. So I always remember that when 225 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: things are kind of going really well, how much I've 226 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: I have leaned on this to get through a lot 227 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: of things. And unfortunately, because the music has always been 228 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: something that's driven me and something that's inspired me, it's 229 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: kept me sane. Actually, it's kind of funny to think 230 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 2: that you a rock and roll band can keep you 231 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: saying because it's kind of an insane profession. 232 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: But I but I do. 233 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: I am very grateful for those times where the band 234 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 2: has kind of carried me through, you. 235 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: Know, ups and downs. 236 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me. You were just talking about the 237 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: band and how members have come and gone, and you 238 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: two are brothers. I mean, you grew up together, you're 239 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: together all the time. I mean that can't be easy 240 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: in general as a dynamic. 241 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's we're not quite as I mean, we know 242 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: some other brother bands that are a little bit more 243 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: tumultuous than we are. But the other thing about brothers 244 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: in the band is like, you know, we've been fighting 245 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: and making up since we were two and zero, do 246 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So and and I think 247 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: sometimes if it's not too much of a rift, and 248 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: it hasn't been yet, like we can have our our 249 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: ups and downs with you know, when your family you 250 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: kind of have to make up or like, you know, 251 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: there's the ramifications, you know, can be pretty dire, like 252 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: when families become like alienated from one another. So you know, 253 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: we've been pretty good, like Dot and and then Jack 254 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: who's been with us since we were we started as well, 255 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: and when he was a kid, my mom used to 256 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: babysit him, like so we were like Jack's brother as well. 257 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: And we've just been you know, I'll knock on wood 258 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: because you know, so far, so good, but we've been 259 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: able to get through some of the. 260 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: Rougher stuff. 261 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: I'll say, so far, so good. Now. Songwriting and performing 262 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: two are probably I'm going to guess your most favorite 263 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: things to do. Would you find that they're therapeutic for 264 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: you as well? 265 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: I mean one like for me, the making of new 266 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: music and writing and recording is my absolute favorite thing. 267 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: And I love playing live. 268 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: I mean, we have a great live show and we 269 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: have great crowds and stuff, and but my favorite part 270 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: is that excitement around writing and discovering new stuff. Like 271 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: that's always kind of been the guiding force for me 272 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: ever since I started. Just just the idea that you 273 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: know something's not there this morning, and you make it 274 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: there this afternoon, and if it's any good, that can 275 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: resonate with people and become something so beautiful and you 276 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: can connect with people, And that to me is the 277 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: closest thing I've ever brains to magic in life. 278 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: It's very magical. Do you can you give an example 279 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: maybe of a song that was specifically you know, cathartic 280 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: to write. And also what's the hierarchy of the writing, 281 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean, who does most of the writing? 282 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 4: You should talk about the end and Once upon a Time, 283 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: which is coming up off of our next record, because 284 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: I think I wasn't involved in that one too much, 285 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: but I think you said it was the first one 286 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,239 Speaker 4: you wrote when you started writing during the lockdowns. 287 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in terms of the writing situation in the band, 288 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: like we all, we collaborate genius Jack and myself and 289 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: then sometimes we'll we'll collaborate with whoever's producing, and we're 290 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: very we're very open. We always switch up producers between 291 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: every record because we're always looking for ways to shake 292 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: things up. And I think for me, I write every 293 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: day almost out of It's like it is like a 294 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: therapy to me just to create, Like I just believe 295 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: everybody should create every day. I even if it's not 296 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: a great song, when I go listen back, I still 297 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: get something out of it. And then sometimes even within 298 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: those songs that you work on that might not be 299 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: anything special, you bring that to I bring it to 300 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: Janigus or I bring it to Jack, or I bring 301 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: it to one of our producers we're working with, and 302 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: that can become this little, you know, acorn that becomes 303 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: this beautiful oak tree you know, in the in the studio, 304 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of really neat to me too, Like, 305 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: you know, it might just be oh, the second verse, 306 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: really something really happened there, and then you just take 307 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: that little bit and that grows into something. 308 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: So that's usually the way all of our. 309 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: Songs come about in terms of of just you know, 310 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: I write every day and except for when I'm on 311 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: the road, but I write every day, and then I 312 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: bring it to the guys and we see if we 313 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: can make something great out of it. 314 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: You know, I can I imagine that process, like I 315 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: got these lines. I just you know, you think of 316 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: things that, oh my god, I can make a T 317 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: shirt out of that, and you make an incredible song, yeah, 318 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: out of something which is amazing. 319 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 320 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: But also like I think one of the things, I 321 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: think one of the key to our longevity has been 322 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: like not to get We try to keep our I 323 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: mean it sounds kind of cliche, but we try to 324 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: keep our egos in check. 325 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: And like the idea is. 326 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: Look, it's not when your idea isn't well received, it's 327 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: not a personal attack on you. It's just we we 328 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: kind of let the idea be more important than the 329 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: three or four guys in the room. So whatever is 330 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: going to make that better is always what we try 331 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: to like. Okay, that's that's the goal, and however we 332 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: can get there. 333 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: That's so hard, number one, But number two, what an 334 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: incredible exercise in life overall, just how to deal with people. 335 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: It's been a long That was the thing we had 336 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: to learn. That was the kind of the hardest thing 337 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: to learn. 338 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 4: But everybody's a bit every I think it's natural to 339 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 4: be a bit protective and precious of your idea off 340 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: the off the head. But I think we've all created 341 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: long enough. 342 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: Thank you about that. 343 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: We've all created long enough to to see the results improved, 344 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 4: to see the idea go from being this little thing 345 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: to this flourishing thing that now two thousand people are 346 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: thinking back to you and that that we've all seen 347 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: the magic work. That we trust in that process, and 348 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: if it can get better, then it should get better 349 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: and it shouldn't stay the same just because you like 350 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: it a lot, you. 351 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. 352 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's and that's the nature of being 353 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: in a band. And if you didn't want that, then 354 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: you have to be a solo artist, you. 355 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. 356 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: Like otherwise, if you're in a band, you kind of 357 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: got to go all for one and one for all 358 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: and let's let's do it together kind of thing. 359 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's nothing better than working with a creative 360 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: team of people that can do that. I mean, that 361 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: truly would be the penultimate way to be in any 362 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: group of creatives. 363 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,479 Speaker 2: I think when you have people that have that incentive 364 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: as like you can feel it, you know, like when 365 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: you're when you're working on the idea, everybody you're getting chills, 366 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: Like it's it's not it's not even a thinking thing. Eventually, 367 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: it's just a feeling and everybody's like, oh, we're all smiling, 368 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: we're happy. Time is going by quickly, And like, if 369 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: you have that, you have to like, that's the most 370 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: precious thing in the world. Now, if you're lucky enough 371 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: to be Bob Dylan and you just wake up in 372 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: the morning and that happens before coffee, but in a 373 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: band dynamic, you can you know, we know it and 374 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: like some nights, some days it doesn't work, but then 375 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: when it is working, we're like, this is the this 376 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: is it's right, you got chills, you're smiling, it's it's enthusiastic. 377 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: So that's what we're kind of chasing. 378 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 5: We'll be right back with more of the Music Saved 379 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: Me Podcast. Welcome back to the Music Saved Me Podcast. 380 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Hindsight's always twenty twenty kind of like we discussed earlier, 381 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: But are there lyrics specifically in your back catalog that 382 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: stand out to you as meaning like new meaning to 383 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: you today than even when you wrote it originally? 384 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all the time. Like there's there's songs where 385 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: even I'm on stage of the night. We have a 386 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: new song called Don't Get Lost in the Dark. We 387 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: played it at a show the other night and I 388 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: while I was playing it, I'm like, oh, I think 389 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: I think this song might be about this thing. And 390 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: it was just it was just something that had happened 391 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: on the East Coast years ago, and I was like, 392 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: and I just got chills. 393 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I didn't even I didn't have 394 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: any intention of this. 395 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: It's just it just caught fire in my imagination and 396 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 2: it made the song so meaningful to me, and I 397 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: was just so. 398 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 3: Impressed with that, like not impressed by me or the. 399 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: Song, but like I was like, oh, this is cool, 400 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: Like I feel like I'm getting something out of this 401 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: that I never thought i'd ever get. 402 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 3: And it was a nice moment. You know. 403 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: It's like those moments that people say to you cliche lines, 404 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: or you know, time flies when you're having fun, or 405 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, just anything that comes to mind, and then 406 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: you're going through life and something happens here and you're like, 407 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's why that person said that to. 408 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: Me, or that's what that song meant, or those lyrics 409 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: meant clich cliches for a reason they that doesn't happen 410 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: to you. 411 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah. I'm just curious how you take care 412 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: of your mental health, both of you individually, when you're 413 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: on the road, when you're in the studio, I mean, 414 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: what what type of are there any rituals or habits 415 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: that sort of keep you grounded when you're out playing 416 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: for thousands of screaming fans and living that life that 417 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: almost seems like you're in a dream or it's you know. 418 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to go in this one first? Surgery. 419 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: No you go, okay, Well, yeah, I had to, Like 420 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 3: I've had to do a lot for that. 421 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: Like I've been sober for four and a half years gradulations. 422 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: That's a big deal. 423 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, after many years, not quite four and a half 424 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: four for a couple of months, and I I've had 425 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: to do a lot. I have quite a few things 426 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: to do on the on the road to stay grounded 427 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: and stay you know. I you know, meditate and I 428 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: try to exercise it. I do a lot of reading 429 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: and writing just to stay grounded because I find, especially 430 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: when you're like performing for people and and like there's 431 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: there's so much like pressure, and then there's there's ego 432 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: and there's anxiety and. 433 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: You're just trying to stay grounded by that. 434 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't always win the win the fight, but I 435 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: have to do a lot to keep to keep. 436 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: Regulated. 437 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: I guess you could say when I'm out there, because 438 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: I can get kind of swept away in it for 439 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: better or for worse. 440 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: I. 441 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: Mean beyond Like I try to go for a run 442 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 4: every now and then, but you know, I keep myself 443 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 4: very busy. Now you could say that's like just a 444 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: big old distraction or or you know, maybe I'm putting 445 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 4: things off, but I do like to keep myself busy. 446 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: I like to have a lot of projects on the go. 447 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 4: You know, I'm producing this, or I'm hosting this radio show. 448 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 4: I'm raising three kids and dealing with a lot of 449 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 4: the band's affairs, and so yeah, I'll probably have a 450 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 4: breakdown at some point in the future. 451 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: No, no, don't say that. 452 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: We don't want that. 453 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: But it's it's really good. 454 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: That was That was a joke. That was a joke. 455 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: Guys didn't laugh because it wasn't a good joke. 456 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: No, but I mean you have to laugh because you know, 457 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: life is just so it's so hard in general, and 458 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: then you pile on it success and you know, and 459 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: then issues that you may have along the way, and 460 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: it's just it's a lot to navigate, even for those 461 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: of us who aren't in a major rock band touring 462 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: the world, in which case I would love to know 463 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: your advice that you might have for someone who might 464 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: be struggling and needs to turn to music for solace. 465 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for them? 466 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: The only thing I'll add is you said even if 467 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 4: you're not in a rock band. But I think that 468 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 4: the sort of inverse of that is like we get 469 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 4: to have that outlet and like people always say, like 470 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: life is so hard anyway, and you add the stresses 471 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 4: of performance. But at the same time, the flip of 472 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 4: that is like we get to wear our emotions on 473 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 4: our sleeves and sing them at the top of our 474 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: lungs for five to ten thousand to like up to 475 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 4: like sixty whatever, the biggest crowd we've ever played for. 476 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 4: And they're just our emotions, They're just our feelings in 477 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: the moment. 478 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: I can might have had a bad day, I can 479 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: go guitar solo for an hour, you know what I mean. 480 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: Like, it's not this is like an unappreciated part of 481 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 4: what it is to express yourself in art. And I 482 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 4: think that my advice would be, if you really are 483 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 4: having a hard time chronically, then to try to find 484 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: that outlet. You know, it's it might be writing, It 485 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 4: might be writing a book or painting, it might be 486 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: Artisa will work, maybe maybe you're a wood work or 487 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 4: it could be like but try to find some method 488 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 4: of creative expression and I'm sure that will go a 489 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 4: long way. 490 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: That's at least taking your mind to at least taking 491 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 3: your mind off of it. You know, that's for sure 492 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: good advice. 493 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: And like there's a book called The Artist's Way, and 494 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: I always thought it was really great, and it's like 495 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: for anybody who wants to be an artist, and I 496 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: think everybody is an artist. I just think that, you know, 497 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: it's not all meant to be released to the public. 498 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: And there's this great book about just these things you 499 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: can do to feel a little bit more I mean 500 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: artistic in your life. You know, journal in the morning, 501 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: like there's things to do that are creative, that are 502 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: powerful outlets. And that book's a good one. So check 503 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: out The Artist's Way. 504 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: I just wrote it down. I'm curious. I would like 505 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: to read that. That's I want so much more time 506 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: with you. I need to know just a quick guest 507 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: or note. Did you have mentors when you were growing 508 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: up that people sort of reaffirmed to you that you 509 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: were on the right track, or that you did have 510 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: these skills? 511 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, he did have. We had. 512 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 4: We had many, like but they're unexpected. Like I think 513 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 4: of our old friend Ian McDonald, Ian Charles McDonald, who 514 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 4: we've lost a bit of touch with, but we grew 515 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 4: up with him and he really informed our playing style 516 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: in our teens because he had such a deep knowledge 517 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: of what we were going for. We had a kind 518 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 4: of a surface, like we knew our records, but he 519 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 4: had like a library of records that he was sort 520 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: of hpping us to and he really informed. It was 521 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 4: a guy named Blair Steve Boyer who believed in our 522 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: band and let us jam at his house. He did 523 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: our sound for next to nothing, and then eventually we 524 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: ran into like our business mentor was a guy named 525 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: Larry Wanagust who saw what we were doing. He was 526 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 4: managing Katie Lang for fifteen years and he managed Big 527 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 4: Sugar and other big Canadian act and he became our 528 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 4: business mentor. He'd manage our band for fifteen years, and 529 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 4: he introduced us to our first producer, Gordy Johnson, who 530 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 4: again was a tough love mentor. He saw what we 531 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: were going for and thought, I can I can improve this? 532 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: You know, this is what harness it. 533 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, And he was right and he was rough honest, 534 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 4: you know, as a producer, he was right though. 535 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: He got yeah, and. 536 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: Sometimes you need that sometimes you need to, you know, yeah, 537 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 4: kick and sometimes you need to carry it. 538 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: But he was the kicking kind. But it helped us 539 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: as a band for sure. 540 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: Well a lot of times, that's all somebody needs to 541 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: make a big change and an impact on them is 542 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: just to hear it from somebody who's doing it or 543 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: has done it, and then you're off to the races. 544 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: And he took us on tour and he didn't have 545 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 4: to do that and gave us a lot of national exposure. 546 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: So and then then that list goes on. We really 547 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: really have always looked up to the Tragically Hip. Do 548 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: you know that Tragically Hip? 549 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, coming Canadian? Yeah? 550 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: Okay, God, I don't know. When I'm talking to an American, 551 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 4: I never know, but. 552 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 3: I never know. 553 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: There's so big in Canada. They loom as large as 554 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 4: like our most famous prime ministers do. And we always 555 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 4: looked up to them as fans. And then they took 556 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: us under their wing and treated us kind of like 557 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: little brothers. And we eventually made music at their studio 558 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 4: and collaborated with their bass player, Gords and Claire, who 559 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 4: became a mentor on like how to be an adult 560 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: in this music business, you know, how to really navigate 561 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 4: yourself and compose yourself. And that band we just idolized 562 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 4: and looked up to and they became mentors in a 563 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 4: way too, so it never really ends really in that way, 564 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: you know. 565 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: So do you ever really want to be an adult? Really? 566 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, we all none of us. 567 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: Want to grow up join a rock band and then 568 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: you know, at least to keep one foot and being 569 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: a teenager still. 570 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: It's just I wish that I could be. I know that, 571 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: like just in a minor sense, the feeling it is 572 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: to be on that stage, and like you were talking 573 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: earlier about getting all of that out, you're giving it 574 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: to the audience too, and they're giving it back to you. 575 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: So it's like this huge, you know, cathartic session of inspiration, 576 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: and it's it's pretty amazing, pretty powerful, very powerful. Has 577 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: a fan ever told you a story, either one of you, 578 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: that how your music specifically has helped them through a 579 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: hard time. 580 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: I was just talking to a gentleman at our gig 581 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: at a place called the Kid to Bala last Friday, 582 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: maybe it's up in like it's like a cottage country 583 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: Ontario gig, and he said he just got over about 584 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 2: with cancer. 585 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: And he said he just listened to this our song 586 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: to break down over and over again. It really, really 587 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: helped him, and I was like, wow, that's I didn't 588 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: even know how to respond. 589 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: It just kind of gave him a hug and a handshake, 590 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: and I said, I'm so happy to hear that the 591 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: cancer's gone. And I'm sure the medicine had a lot 592 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: more to do with it than the song, but I 593 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: think the song kind of helped in a weird way 594 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: for him. And he was like he really wanted me 595 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: to know that, and I was just kind of it 596 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: was just like one of those we were doing a 597 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: meat and greet with our fans and and he just 598 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: kind of sprung this on me. Like I was in 599 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: the middle of like, you know, people ask me what 600 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: song for playing that night and signing stuff, and he said, like, 601 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just got over cancer. And I listened 602 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: to the Breakdown every day for months, and I was like, 603 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so incredibly heavy and amazing in 604 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: every way, you know. And so yeah, I've had a 605 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: few people tell me some very very similar stories, and 606 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: it's always it's almost too. 607 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: Much to take in. 608 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: Like at the time, you're kind of like, that's incredible, 609 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: and you know, my my first thought is I hope 610 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: you're okay. I hope you continue to be okay, and 611 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad that our our music is helping in some way, 612 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: shape or form. But yeah, I've had quite a few 613 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: of those moments over the years. 614 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. 615 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, John, you Yeah, there is, there's a lot of them. 616 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 3: You know. 617 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 4: We have a song called the Highway of Heroes, which 618 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: is a trip to a woman we knew that when 619 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 4: to fight in Afghanistan was tragically killed, but it's resonated 620 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 4: much beyond her story. And we've had people show up 621 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 4: to our shows with like their siblings tags who are deceased, 622 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 4: you know, from from conflict, and like hand them to 623 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 4: us on stage and said we want you guys to 624 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 4: have these or something like that. It's just like the 625 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 4: power of those moments. It's like a little bit overwhelming 626 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: because it's enormous, But you know, you don't you don't 627 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 4: know these people the way they do. You know, the 628 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: tragedy is not the same for you as it is 629 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 4: for them. But they've connected your song to it, and 630 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 4: then they've connected us to it because of the song, 631 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: and it's it's just proof of how powerful music can be, truly, 632 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 4: especially in moments like that. 633 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: Did you expect that when you first got together as 634 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: a band those types of stories coming at you. 635 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 636 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, we like music is our 637 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: is our profession, and we put everything into it, and 638 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: we like to write songs that are meaning to us initially, 639 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: and you never think in a million years that like, oh, 640 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to write a song that a guy 641 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 2: got through cancer, because like that, that would be a 642 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: weird thing to think, you know, for for the creator 643 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: of a song. 644 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: But but I've you know, I don't know what it is. 645 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: I just we just sing about what we're going through 646 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: and how we're feeling, and and it resonates with people, 647 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: and I mean, it's it's incredible. 648 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: It's it's I feel like humbled by it, I guess. 649 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: And I don't want to think like too much beyond that, 650 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: because I just I songs are songs and I love 651 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: them and they've gotten me through hard times too. 652 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know what else to say. 653 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: Now I understand because it's not why you why you 654 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: do it, but then it becomes sort of self fulfilling. 655 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and it's amazing that there's more. This is 656 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: something that I always say we're all more alike than 657 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: we are different. So chances are when you're making this 658 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: incredible music and writing these words that they're going to 659 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: stick with a lot of people. 660 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: And that's It's like I think with us, it's always 661 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: like how do we what's the best song? Like we're 662 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: always thinking what is the best song? And the best 663 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: song is something that Scott There's many elements. You know, 664 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: memorable is probably the first one, and then you know 665 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: a little bit of lyrical depths without being pretentious, and 666 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: then you know, and then a good groove and a rhythm, 667 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: and we kind of almost approach it like that, and 668 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: some of those creations end up really resonating with people, 669 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: and that's amazing. 670 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: It sure is. And I got a couple of quick 671 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: questions before I let you go looking forward The Bloody 672 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: Light is your album coming out in October. There's themes 673 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: of hope and resilience and healing in all of it 674 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: throughout Again, lucky me, I got to hear before anyone else. 675 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: And is there anything particular within the album that you 676 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: hope listeners really connect with? Is there a message that 677 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to put out there that you want them 678 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: to know? 679 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of it, you know. 680 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: I think it's like it hasn't been the easiest five 681 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: or six years between anywhere in North America, you know, 682 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: between everything that everybody's kind of gone through, and I 683 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: think the message we have is, Yep, it's not easy. 684 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: We're not going to pretend like it is, but we're 685 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: still going to try to make music and move forward 686 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: and move through it together. 687 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: I think it's awesome. I mean, just the fact that 688 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: you are still doing it again, hitting number one after 689 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: all these years is enough for me alone. Just to 690 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: hear that story about you not even hearing your music, 691 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: it's a really incredible feat. Yeah, much less your sobriety, 692 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: which is another really big deal. I don't care what 693 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: anyone says. I really congratulate you on it, and I 694 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: hope they continue forward down that path. And you're certainly 695 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: helping a lot of people more than you know. My 696 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: last question to you, John and Colin is if you 697 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: could go back and play one song for your younger 698 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: self during a tough time in your life, what would 699 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: it be and why of any song? Of any song? 700 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: Really, it's a very good question. 701 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 4: I think the songs that really help me are songs 702 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 4: I might have already known then I you know, I don't. 703 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to go with one. 704 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 4: Of our songs just because it's easier because those edwards 705 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: invented when we were on But like Between the End, 706 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 4: Once upon a Time certainly has and that's coming up 707 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 4: on our next record. It certainly has like a there's 708 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 4: like a totality to it. And I feel like if 709 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: you could have played that for our band when we 710 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 4: were first starting out and been like, you're going to 711 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 4: write this song in like third twenty five years however 712 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 4: long he was, I'd be like, oh, that's a reason 713 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 4: to keep going because it's not exactly the style we're 714 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 4: working in for a long time, but it has like 715 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 4: a depth of emotion and like a large scope to it, 716 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 4: and I really like it a lot. So I'm just 717 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 4: going to go with that. And nobody can even hear 718 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 4: it yet it's coming out in October, but you can 719 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 4: come back. 720 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: Okay. 721 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: It's funny because it's such an emotional question, but my 722 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: analytical brain kicked in, So I'm just going to go 723 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: with that. And so I've been listening kind of religiously 724 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: to the Anthology of American Folk Music this whole year, 725 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: and it's about it's a playlist on Spotify. I don't 726 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: know how long the original album is, but it's about 727 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: sixty five songs long on the playlist, and I've been 728 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: studying it. 729 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: I've been listening to it. I've been learning it. 730 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: I went online and wrote because it's hard to get 731 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: the recordings are some of the first recordings in American music, 732 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: so it's really hard to decipher the lyrics. So Spotify 733 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: doesn't even have the lyrics because they can't pick them up, 734 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: you know. So I had to go with cour the internet, 735 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: and I've written them all in my voice notes on 736 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: my phone. So when I'm warming up for a gig, 737 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: I'll go and listen to the anthology and just sing 738 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: the songs. And I wish I could go back to 739 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: me starting in a band and go like, you need 740 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: to listen to this phrasing because by the time you're 741 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: twenty one, you'll be the coolest fucking guy in the world. 742 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: And I instead, I was listening to like what everybody 743 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: was listening to, you know, alternative. 744 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: And grunge and blah blah blah and whatever. 745 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: But no, you should be listening to this right now 746 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 2: and you will kick so much as but I would. 747 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 2: That's my ambition is if I could go back to 748 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: seventeen sixteen year old me, like throw out the grunge records. 749 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 2: Those are great, we love them. Go listen to only 750 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: this record for four years and copy it and then 751 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: start your band. 752 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: That's what I would do. 753 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: I love it. I love talking with you too, and 754 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: I also wrote that down by the way. See, I 755 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: love learning new things from people and discussions. There's nothing 756 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: better yeah than that's and you certainly both have taught 757 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: me a lot and hopefully our listeners a lot as well. 758 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: Colin McDonald, John Angus McDonald, the Truths, thank you for 759 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: being on music save me and good luck with everything 760 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: in the future, and please come back and see us 761 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: maybe when you're a trave went through America. 762 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 3: Und percent for having us m