Speaker 1: We like to welcome you to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Gainst the Chronicles podcast, and I'm big steal Jill. Y'all
Speaker 1: already know what it is. Today we got one of
Speaker 1: my homeboys. I don't like to use that word special guest,
Speaker 1: because the last few weeks we just had homies just
Speaker 1: happened to be here and we said, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: you're coming on the show. Today we got the homie Man,
Speaker 1: one of the illest lyricists on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He was part of the group that just came in.
Speaker 1: They din't just come in, man, they kind of kicked
Speaker 1: the door in, Man, the New West, Yes, sir, the
Speaker 1: New West.
Speaker 3: I remember it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of cats that was real
Speaker 1: sick about that. And I guess he don't need no introduction,
Speaker 1: so it speak Bishop Lamont, Bishop's cracking dog.
Speaker 4: To be here.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You know what, we might as well go into that
Speaker 1: because we got two people here, because I know eight
Speaker 1: was very much. It was one of those dudes that
Speaker 1: was real vocal about what the fuck is these new
Speaker 1: niggas coming in talking all this shit.
Speaker 2: For all all, there's nothing personal against any particular artists
Speaker 2: or that I've never had any drama, so to speak,
Speaker 2: with any new artists. I love any artists coming up
Speaker 2: out the West Coast trying to uplift what we have
Speaker 2: as far as music and the foundation of the West Coast,
Speaker 2: you know. But as you know, some of us old cats,
Speaker 2: we just had a took it a little a little
Speaker 2: offensive by saying new West because we felt like we
Speaker 2: were all West as a whole and what was changing
Speaker 2: as far as new artists coming from the West Coast,
Speaker 2: we just wanted to keep it West Coast, you get me.
Speaker 2: But no disrespect to none of the new artists representing
Speaker 2: the West Coast, because let's face it, you all got it.
Speaker 2: We all gotta advance, and we all gotta uplift whatever
Speaker 2: is coming out of the West Coast and representing us
Speaker 2: as a whole, because you know, a lot of people
Speaker 2: kind of write us off every now and then when
Speaker 2: we tend to not follow the trendy shit or try
Speaker 2: to follow what's going on as far as hip hop concern.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Message, But first off, thank you for bringing up this conversation,
Speaker 5: because to have this conversation with you of all is
Speaker 5: a blessing because we never had that back then. But
Speaker 5: the first misconception about the New West was thinking that
Speaker 5: we was excluding our big homies, our peers. We were
Speaker 5: saying New West for anybody never got an opportunity. A
Speaker 5: nigga could be fifty something years old. You could have
Speaker 5: been the Ghost Riders or the producers, whatever it was
Speaker 5: behind these other people were tired of being stepped on
Speaker 5: and used.
Speaker 3: As X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5: And so that's what that rebellion was really about. And
Speaker 5: it was only targeted at those that was hating on us.
Speaker 5: And that was Ice Cuban snoop at the time. Okay,
Speaker 5: clearly that's what that was, and it was it was.
Speaker 5: It was crazy to see it happen, and I never
Speaker 5: I never knew that exactly.
Speaker 2: Y'all felt like why did you feel? Because I never
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, when it came to guys
Speaker 2: like you, I knew what you was about, Enmanship. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Uh, you you put your work in.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of the homies you knew about Bishop.
Speaker 2: You feel me so.
Speaker 3: And I was your.
Speaker 5: Biggest fan because I lived off climart and a laundry.
Speaker 5: I would be up at West Park and I would
Speaker 5: be down there at the liquor store.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen you.
Speaker 5: So there's a difference with the real ones that we
Speaker 5: look up to and then others.
Speaker 4: That was like, no, fuck that.
Speaker 5: What we were frustrated about, though, was that why do
Speaker 5: we have to keep going through this concentration camp. It's
Speaker 5: not a thing of an institution. It's a thing where
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use you for all your right and take
Speaker 5: all your styles. I'm gonna use you for all your
Speaker 5: producer ideas, your fashion ideas well. Once I've drained you,
Speaker 5: then I'll release you. But what would you look like?
Speaker 5: You'll look like a replica? So why do we have
Speaker 5: to partake that way? We are down to work with y'all.
Speaker 5: That's what we were doing. But when you don't want
Speaker 5: to pay us, or you don't want to treat us right,
Speaker 5: or you don't want to you don't want.
Speaker 4: Us to have our space.
Speaker 5: I remember when Snoop told me on the phone after
Speaker 5: it was done, shouts out to doada in and day one
Speaker 5: for making that happen. But he put us together on
Speaker 5: the phone and he was like, I want to apologize
Speaker 5: for what went on with that, but I just felt
Speaker 5: like it wasn't your time to be on the court.
Speaker 4: Yet, you know what I'm saying. It's the little homies,
Speaker 4: And I said, I understand.
Speaker 5: That, but it isn't your right to tell us that
Speaker 5: if we can ball you up on the court, it's
Speaker 5: our time, just like when it was your time and
Speaker 5: y'all had to bust out from under easy. Even though
Speaker 5: we didn't like the way that went down, that's what
Speaker 5: happened because it was like a civil war to us
Speaker 5: because we fans of everybody, so that's not what the
Speaker 5: New West wanted. My principles was based on like the
Speaker 5: barbershop picture, the on reaching over the wall. I believe
Speaker 5: in bunch of Carter. I believe in Fred Hampton. You
Speaker 5: understand the principles of each one teach one in reach.
Speaker 5: That's the movement, because the more people we put on,
Speaker 5: the more.
Speaker 4: Power we have.
Speaker 5: Like the South, we was losing more niggas was having
Speaker 5: to run to the East coast and get signed the
Speaker 5: East Coast labels instead of having it thriving on the
Speaker 5: West coast and having all this talent in our backyard
Speaker 5: so we can fortified things and do it better than
Speaker 5: niggas did it before. That's what it was supposed to
Speaker 5: be about. But then ice Q started saying so much
Speaker 5: shit and.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I just went real left and they started picking sides,
Speaker 5: sninking it was a agism. No, this is about niggas
Speaker 5: having an opportunity to shine. All these niggas that never
Speaker 5: got credits on albums, that never got their names on
Speaker 5: what they wrote, that never saw no royalty checks. Fuck that,
Speaker 5: we knocking down the doors. I'm up at the beach
Speaker 5: trying to get every nigga on the radio, Twala. As
Speaker 5: Twala asked Dorsey Fuller, I was. I was trying to
Speaker 5: get everybody through the door. We go to Power six.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, man, listen to all these niggas. Why
Speaker 5: an't we playing West Coast niggas? That was the New
Speaker 5: West movement. Kiki Loko was with us, All Blessings, all
Speaker 5: kind of people was with us, Little ice Cube, I
Speaker 5: can't remember all the cat that was with us, Dale
Speaker 5: Ron so many OG's was was Jazzy. Jazzy Blessings to
Speaker 5: Jazzy was navigating me. I had counsel with Elders. I
Speaker 5: wasn't going against my heroes.
Speaker 4: So that's it. I'm gonna stop. Thank you for this.
Speaker 4: I ain't even thought about that ship year.
Speaker 2: I should definitely feel that because as a as an
Speaker 2: artist coming up in that time, I never, you know,
Speaker 2: felt like I was even on that you know, Ice
Speaker 2: Cube Snoop Dogg level.
Speaker 3: I used to. I never reached out to nobody's camp.
Speaker 2: You feel me Like, I guess just from day one,
Speaker 2: I just like felt like, fuck it. It was just
Speaker 2: me and Chill and Slip and I'm not gonna try
Speaker 2: to give a demo to Cube. I'm not gonna try
Speaker 2: to give a demo to Drake. I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: fuck it because I came up off hood mentality. It
Speaker 2: was just me and the homies in the hood, fuck
Speaker 2: everybody on the outside. So I never looked to go
Speaker 2: get discovered by nobody else. So you know, did I
Speaker 2: feel like, damn, come, I ain't you know the Ice
Speaker 2: Cubes And I come like I felt like at a point,
Speaker 2: like what Nigga's blackballing the niggas because I'm spitting the
Speaker 2: same get on fucking tails and I'm fucking preaching about
Speaker 2: the tales from the hood, and you know, and I
Speaker 2: wasn't about you know, let's go to the club and party.
Speaker 2: I was about like niggas getting shot on the blocking and.
Speaker 5: Let's say this on top of that, how dope is
Speaker 5: it when we looking at can it all be so simple?
Speaker 5: And your ass is right there with Wu Tang, then
Speaker 5: you're on the y'all remix.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of respect from East Coast dudes.
Speaker 5: But that's how dope you was, and they recognized it,
Speaker 5: and we saw that like he on he he universal.
Speaker 2: I got that was shot out pre boat shout out
Speaker 2: Wu Tang, shot out old dirty, I mean, shout out uster, sir,
Speaker 2: our motherfucking Pete Rock. Like I fucked with a lot
Speaker 2: of East Coast dudes. I know, not that you know.
Speaker 2: I didn't fuck with my West Coast homies, but like
Speaker 2: you said, I seemed to got more respect from you
Speaker 2: MC Coast dudes, and.
Speaker 3: That was me m C eight.
Speaker 4: I know what it is. I know what MC. When
Speaker 4: I hear him rhy, I'm saying I studied, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: See, at that time, the West Coast suffered really bad
Speaker 1: from like what I call a quoted down syndrome. Everybody
Speaker 1: that ever came out the West Coast that was successful,
Speaker 1: came up under the n W A family tree, right.
Speaker 1: You know, they were either byproduct of doctor Dre. They
Speaker 1: were either a byproduct of ruthless records they feel from
Speaker 1: that bring as a matter of fact, Above the Law
Speaker 1: had Snoop before Dre did. Yes, they had you know
Speaker 1: Snoop and Warren. They was messing with above the Law
Speaker 1: and they kind of took the whole g funk thing
Speaker 1: over there, you.
Speaker 3: Know, to Dre.
Speaker 5: And that's how we used to have a lot of credit.
Speaker 5: We used to talk on the phone about it. Hutch
Speaker 5: was put me up on all that in the real history.
Speaker 5: That's why it was so weird when you know, all
Speaker 5: this stuff happened with Easy and all that. But that's
Speaker 5: what happens with business and stuff goes wrong and it's
Speaker 5: the wrong people in the mix. But yes, but that
Speaker 5: was the problem because imagine, why does everybody have to
Speaker 5: come under the.
Speaker 4: Umbrella of just these individuals.
Speaker 5: Let people go be their own people, because it's like
Speaker 5: a molestation situation. They want everybody to get fucked No,
Speaker 5: learn from the mistakes and let other people do better.
Speaker 5: Get off that sick disease and stop handling that down.
Speaker 5: We need more success here. A lot of our young
Speaker 5: cats that were on their way to success got murdered.
Speaker 5: Think about the.
Speaker 4: Young cats we had. Was it to teach me how
Speaker 4: to dugy.
Speaker 3: That blessed big?
Speaker 5: Why so it's like you think about this and opportunities
Speaker 5: and how big these songs are going, and what can
Speaker 5: change these children's lives and their families lives, and how
Speaker 5: big we can go. It kept getting knocked down. That
Speaker 5: was a whole other aspect of it. We got to
Speaker 5: push and be able to get people other places. But
Speaker 5: you know, when we go to Capitol or we go
Speaker 5: to death jam, are you down with doctor Dre? Are
Speaker 5: you down with Snoop? Are you down with so and so?
Speaker 5: Why do we gotta be down with anybody? Why can't
Speaker 5: you just listen to the demo? If you ain't got
Speaker 5: no affiliations with any of those houses, they don't want
Speaker 5: to sign you.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of that back then.
Speaker 2: That's almost I was fortunate enough to like sneak in
Speaker 2: the side door. When when Easy and Dre and them
Speaker 2: started cracking. You know how the labels due they sit
Speaker 2: up and.
Speaker 3: Go, oh we gotta ooh, that's cracking. We need to
Speaker 3: find one of them.
Speaker 2: It was fortunate enough that I had a motherfucking you
Speaker 2: know snake who was able to snake his way in and.
Speaker 3: Use the shoulder rubs.
Speaker 2: He knew from oh I know this cat, I know
Speaker 2: this cat, and I know this cat. Listen to these cats,
Speaker 2: you get me And they were like, oh so to them,
Speaker 2: it was like we got us one of them, Like
Speaker 2: we didn't actually fall from up under the easy umbrella,
Speaker 2: but like a motherfucker was breaking in the house and
Speaker 2: they left the motherfucker's side window. We was able to
Speaker 2: climb through the side window before the whole trickle down
Speaker 2: of you know, oh do you know easy, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know Dre do you know snoop or cube or you know.
Speaker 2: We was able to get a deal off of that,
Speaker 2: and fortunate I was able to build off of that
Speaker 2: to where I didn't have to wait to come up
Speaker 2: under the the easy Dre cube umbrella. I mean, because
Speaker 2: let's face it, that was the West Coast. You fell
Speaker 2: up under those umbrellas. It was that in the area
Speaker 2: was like holding on the gallows, and we.
Speaker 4: Missed the opportunity with them.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't support them when that high move was moving
Speaker 5: big if we can just unify, we could put a
Speaker 5: stranglehold on ship like the South did, like the New
Speaker 5: York did.
Speaker 4: It's time for us to get some rings. That's what
Speaker 4: the New West was about.
Speaker 3: You know how we are.
Speaker 2: But it's just how we are as far as and
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate for us, as far as you know. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to put that on
Speaker 2: neighborhood ties or I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 2: as far as with the West Coast, we just can't
Speaker 2: do that ship, and we should, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: We just I don't want to see that, and I
Speaker 2: always want to ask. It's funny because if you did
Speaker 2: come up under a nigga, you not fitly get with
Speaker 2: that nigga, get you feel beat message all you go.
Speaker 2: I believe be subject to be held up under a
Speaker 2: certain level. If you sign to a motherfucker, the big dog,
Speaker 2: I don't want you.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: You got as much talent you probably you probably could.
Speaker 2: You probably could lap a nigga on the on the
Speaker 2: track a couple of times. And so if the big
Speaker 2: dogs see that, they're probably gonna do whatever is in
Speaker 2: their power to keep you at a certain level. You
Speaker 2: ain't gonna get as much promotion. You're not gonna get
Speaker 2: as much radio play. You're not Instead of seeing the
Speaker 2: vision of I can promote this nigga, I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck. I sell platinum, So what if he selled
Speaker 2: double triple platinum. That's more motherfucking money and my motherfucking cut.
Speaker 2: Because I'm a businessman.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, man, I'm at the speaking
Speaker 1: how could you How didn't you wind up on Ruthless Records?
Speaker 1: I didn't wind up on Ruthless because at the time,
Speaker 1: like I said, my mentality was on some neighborhood shit.
Speaker 2: So Easy and them was from the East side of Country.
Speaker 2: I was from the West side of Content.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I just always had my own identity because of gang
Speaker 2: banging and shit. Everything was about the hood. So when
Speaker 2: it came to music and and doing shit like that,
Speaker 2: like we like even though we was crip niggas, it's
Speaker 2: like they was from over there.
Speaker 3: We from over here. So I didn't. I I never
Speaker 3: pushed like all easy, sign me, sign me nigga.
Speaker 2: You know we hard we see him dub you know,
Speaker 2: me and Chill woof the wom nigga, I just said
Speaker 2: fuck it. And me and child just got to making
Speaker 2: demos in the garage with the homie and I started
Speaker 2: rapping about the hood, nigga hood, this hood, that hood,
Speaker 2: this hood that. So when it came time for us
Speaker 2: too ready to get busy, we went like everybody else went.
Speaker 3: We went to lonzo Route. You get me.
Speaker 2: I went to I went to Lonzo's with some other
Speaker 2: niggas and a known happened to be there.
Speaker 3: You get me.
Speaker 2: And like I said, when when you when you when
Speaker 2: you got that mine of you know, greediness and you
Speaker 2: know shit, and then you know.
Speaker 3: It's the nigga that's talent right there right.
Speaker 2: And then you see the for ma, you see the
Speaker 2: formation of Okay, easy cracking right now, that easy e
Speaker 2: shit and that that ship that Linzo in them was
Speaker 2: like fuck now they sitting up like these motherfuckers is
Speaker 2: taking off. So just imagine a little seventeen year old
Speaker 2: cripp ass height come walking through the door. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And I'm like, nigga, the hood, this
Speaker 2: nigga hood that and fucked the one times nigga we
Speaker 2: sipping Thunderbird to block this and block that them niggas
Speaker 2: was like ding d.
Speaker 3: Feel me.
Speaker 2: So like, that's how I didn't go to the easy
Speaker 2: because Unknone was like, hen, come on, nigga, we can't nigga.
Speaker 2: I can't take.
Speaker 3: Belling through nigga.
Speaker 2: This motherfucking motherfucking blue Timbot boots on nigga, the khaki suit,
Speaker 2: the sweatshirt. Nigga came in that motherfucker spitting about nigga
Speaker 2: on the west side of camp. The niggas trag new
Speaker 2: and Blue this and woofy wo them niggas was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit.
Speaker 3: Uh uh.
Speaker 2: Aknone was like shit, hey, what's your name, little nigga?
Speaker 2: And this is DJ Slip and Woofi Woo and the
Speaker 2: rest was history. That's how I didn't come up because
Speaker 2: they was already like they already had labels. A No
Speaker 2: had Techno Hop, A No had all the hood shit.
Speaker 2: A No one had keen t he had ice tea
Speaker 2: he like he had the hood shit. So and I
Speaker 2: used to listen to those records and buy those twelve inches, sir.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: I used to buy that little yellow twelve inch with
Speaker 2: the red white and tech No Hop. So when that
Speaker 2: nigga was like, yeah, that's my label tech No Hop,
Speaker 2: I'm like this nigga no ice tea six in the morning.
Speaker 2: Message this nigga no keen t payback to mother and
Speaker 2: if you're from compting, you better bring the gun. I'm
Speaker 2: like this nigga know the niggas, So of course I
Speaker 2: was like a fucking with this dude. And that's how
Speaker 2: I didn't fall up under Ruthless. I fell up under Tech,
Speaker 2: No Hop and Unknown.
Speaker 1: But you know, same shit, And that's crazy because when
Speaker 1: you think back on it, Easy was poised to have.
Speaker 1: If he wouldn't have had them cats wouldn't defected from
Speaker 1: Ruthless records, right, he would have won.
Speaker 3: That was Snoop, Warren g and all of them possible.
Speaker 2: But if they all because but you gotta understand this
Speaker 2: is what I say, and I'm sure you done went
Speaker 2: through it because we all have. You get fucked when
Speaker 2: you come into this business and it just trickles down.
Speaker 3: You get me.
Speaker 2: This nigga fucked this nigga, so he learns how to
Speaker 2: fuck this nigga. He learns how to fuck this nigga,
Speaker 2: and so on and so on and so on. You
Speaker 2: never have a motherfucker who go you know something, this
Speaker 2: nigga write all his shit he produced his shit.
Speaker 3: Whut he won't.
Speaker 2: I don't do nothing but put his shit out. I'm
Speaker 2: not finna take ninety percent of his money. I'm finna
Speaker 2: give a nigga his money and then we gonna built
Speaker 2: like that because this nigga gonna introduce me to this nigga,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna do the same. And now you're sitting
Speaker 2: up like, motherfucking what's my nigga who was from Arrows?
Speaker 2: Or my nigga Berry Gordy or.
Speaker 3: Get me? Because you you you, you.
Speaker 2: Gotta learn you Sometimes you have to be good to
Speaker 2: the artists.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to.
Speaker 2: But sometimes, like I said, when you come into this
Speaker 2: rap game, I don't give fuck who you are. From
Speaker 2: the time you start, you're gonna need a manager or
Speaker 2: producer or a fucking independent label or production company or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then they gonna sign you and you naive. You
Speaker 2: know you want to get in. It's your dream. I
Speaker 2: wanted like I was naive. I didn't know nigga. I
Speaker 2: was seventeen y years and what motherfucker, I'm on the
Speaker 2: block selling crack nigga. Nigga contract nigga here, I don't
Speaker 2: know ship nigga. You might well like the easy video, Nigga,
Speaker 2: you probably had to be a fucking forty out to
Speaker 2: put a big rope on my deck.
Speaker 3: And Nigga, what the game? I don't know. Ship, Nigga
Speaker 3: taking your money for this? He taking your money for that.
Speaker 2: But I'm my dream is like my nigga biggie said,
Speaker 2: I see my name on fucking right on magazine. I
Speaker 2: see my picture, Nigga, Limos is coming and pick me up.
Speaker 4: And Ship.
Speaker 2: I'm walking around Sony music and ship like that, and
Speaker 2: niggas is treating me like, oh hey, hey, nigga, I'm
Speaker 2: walking through grabbing all kind of fucking CD.
Speaker 3: Ship, going through the cabinets.
Speaker 2: I take this micro, I take this sharp day, let
Speaker 2: me take this open and found cabinets. Feeling Nigga, I'm
Speaker 2: feeling great. Talked about knowing you're getting fucked like a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: And that's and that's don't know.
Speaker 2: You go, your dream is to be something other than
Speaker 2: what I was.
Speaker 3: Nigga.
Speaker 2: I was motherfucking riding beach cruisers through the hood, sweating
Speaker 2: niggas and fighting school, ditching school, and and I had
Speaker 2: no vision of nothing. Rap came along and the nigga
Speaker 2: handed me a fucking like I said, a forty ounce
Speaker 2: in the gold change.
Speaker 3: It was over with what the fuck?
Speaker 2: So you know, it's thank you for this unfortunate man
Speaker 2: that that we on the West Coast have this. You know,
Speaker 2: look down or don't want to congratulate or even help
Speaker 2: the accomplishments of a nigga who might be better than you.
Speaker 4: And that was the pack that we made.
Speaker 5: That's what the New West was me Mike Stroke Glasses,
Speaker 5: hym Bochy Lok. I forget who always sitting at battle
Speaker 5: cast Mama's house, But I said, whoever gets signed first,
Speaker 5: then we get the next person signed, then we get
Speaker 5: the next person signed.
Speaker 4: That's the way it works.
Speaker 5: I got my shot first because what I did was
Speaker 5: when I made a mixtape, I made sure everybody was
Speaker 5: on it. He pulled our money and put it was
Speaker 5: called who I Got to Kill to get a record deal?
Speaker 4: And then I snuck up inside Interscope and in the
Speaker 4: meling room.
Speaker 5: He slipped it in with their promotional shit, and it
Speaker 5: got everywhere, and I said, they gonna pick somebody. They
Speaker 5: might not like all of us, but that shit started
Speaker 5: to trigger and opportunities happened. So I got signed the aftermath.
Speaker 5: But when I was going to my final meeting with Dre,
Speaker 5: I brought Glasses just to make sure, let's put another
Speaker 5: face in front that's supposed to be coming next. You
Speaker 5: never know what can be advanced with this situation right here,
Speaker 5: and he'll get more familiar with Glasses.
Speaker 4: But on with the show.
Speaker 5: Then, when Glasses was meeting with jay Z, I was
Speaker 5: there for that meeting to make sure I could support
Speaker 5: him at death Jam and everything we did to make
Speaker 5: sure it was right. Now, if you keep doing that
Speaker 5: with each artist, making sure they got good lawyers, making
Speaker 5: sure they got good counsel, making sure they start staying
Speaker 5: away from all that bullshit so they can really succeed.
Speaker 5: Look at the difference that happens. That's all the New
Speaker 5: West was to be, and it's still gonna be that.
Speaker 5: So that's the energy though, because we shouldn't have to
Speaker 5: go through that same frustrating shit. A lot of people
Speaker 5: ain't here no more. It took their souls, It destroyed them,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It sucks, and their health
Speaker 5: was so bad that they gone when they deserve to
Speaker 5: be so wealthy. So that's the energy for me, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, it's still doing that work.
Speaker 4: That's it. Holy Water.
Speaker 1: Ask you man, how much writing did you How much
Speaker 1: writing do you think you did that time that you
Speaker 1: didn't get credit for so much?
Speaker 4: But remember you paint the picture.
Speaker 5: What was passive feak like when we was when I
Speaker 5: had to do all the detox sessions. Everybody was up there.
Speaker 5: It was cracking bringing everybody together. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: On my budget though, because they didn't have no budget anymore,
Speaker 5: everything was shut down.
Speaker 4: So I signed here, but I'm I'm getting.
Speaker 5: My budget fucked for this. But I can't put my
Speaker 5: own album out. So I gotta keep putting my album
Speaker 5: out as a free mixtape because I keep getting turned
Speaker 5: down for a release date.
Speaker 4: But my shit's on fire.
Speaker 5: If I didn't do that, I would nobody would ever
Speaker 5: know who I was.
Speaker 3: What do you think I mean? Your progress over there?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: Jimmy Iveen Because Jimmy Iveen wanted detox. He didn't give
Speaker 5: a fuck about nothing else. And that was dre stress
Speaker 5: and it sucked because I'm gonna support my bro to
Speaker 5: the end, and that's what I did. But at a
Speaker 5: certain point, after being on a label for five million
Speaker 5: years and your Granny just dies, and you feeling like
Speaker 5: a failure because you can't be where you need to
Speaker 5: be to take care and things because you kind off
Speaker 5: track from when you should have been out. It just
Speaker 5: frustrating and it can go dark. But I loved my brother,
Speaker 5: but there was so much that he had on his
Speaker 5: back and shit to deal with that. The headphones and
Speaker 5: all that shit blessed and made it better, but there
Speaker 5: was so much that that business. When the business comes
Speaker 5: into it, it fucks everything up. Because the fun we'd
Speaker 5: have in the studio, the ship, me Andre would do everybody,
Speaker 5: Mark Batson focused the whole movement.
Speaker 4: Bust to everybody.
Speaker 5: We're doing hip hop shit, Let's do some great You
Speaker 5: saw what we was doing. We got everybody at pass
Speaker 5: the feet lady your rage, Pete Rock when he was
Speaker 5: k dot Jay Rock because the first day Jay Rock
Speaker 5: got arrested because he didn't have a license, so then
Speaker 5: Kendrick had to drive him there.
Speaker 4: Everybody was there. Tarry Smart.
Speaker 5: Think about all the people we had there writing. I
Speaker 5: wanted to make sure all these people was involved. Even
Speaker 5: when Crooked was still with death Row and people didn't
Speaker 5: want to deal. I'm sorry and deal with and deal with.
Speaker 5: I said, how we gonna do some West Coast shit
Speaker 5: without crooked. Never, I'm gonna go get crooked. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: fight for this shit. I kept fla I caught so
Speaker 5: much flak for this shit I was trying to do
Speaker 5: for niggas.
Speaker 4: But it's all right, that's on my back. That's what
Speaker 4: I want to do.
Speaker 1: No, No, Bishop, explain the people out there, because you
Speaker 1: said it came out your budget. You had to spend
Speaker 1: over a quarter million dollars up in there.
Speaker 4: I don't look like he said.
Speaker 5: I was aware of so much from reading Kashif's business
Speaker 5: book is Different shit and hearing horror stories because I
Speaker 5: was ghostwriting way before i'd signed The Aftermath. I think
Speaker 5: Kim Rock Kim and Joe Beaeste was there at the time,
Speaker 5: and I got put into do some ghostwriting. So I
Speaker 5: started becoming aware of the system and what goes on,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. As I moved around the industry,
Speaker 5: so I was already familiar with a lot of how
Speaker 5: bad business can get done. So I came in with
Speaker 5: my eyes open. I had to switch lawyers twice because
Speaker 5: they was in cahoots all kind of shit.
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I always believed in being the spook that sat by
Speaker 5: the door, you know what I'm saying, Because we gotta learn,
Speaker 5: we gotta be better. Bunchie Carter is my hero, Malcolm
Speaker 5: X is my hero. Harry Belafonte rest in peace, a
Speaker 5: true idol. But it's like, with that knowledge and that
Speaker 5: power through music, we can do so much more.
Speaker 4: So that's where I was at.
Speaker 5: But when you're dealing with them places like that, it's
Speaker 5: gonna go left on you, especially when you know too much.
Speaker 5: So me being too smart was the real problem. And
Speaker 5: then me being too spiritual because I'm praying over all
Speaker 5: my males. In that industry, you have people that will
Speaker 5: be mad at you for praying. Imagine that. So then
Speaker 5: I'm like, how can I how can I be a
Speaker 5: part of something if this is the enemy of God.
Speaker 5: When you got presents like that, that's when they can
Speaker 5: go wrong. And I started getting tainted with demons and shit.
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have been around. I'm hip hop. Dyla was
Speaker 5: supposed to be a part of my album, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I was trying to put Dylan Dre together,
Speaker 5: and Deyla passed proof got killed. It was horrible. It
Speaker 5: was just curse after curse. It just got dark over there.
Speaker 5: It was crazy. I never talked about that shit.
Speaker 3: It's us.
Speaker 4: So we churched, you know what I mean, We testify
Speaker 4: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: We leave back a few episodes eight and then and
Speaker 1: we were sitting up here having a conversation just about
Speaker 1: the industry, and they was even saying that when gangster
Speaker 1: rap first came out, people were kind of scared of it.
Speaker 1: They backed away from it. Then you had the whole
Speaker 1: ice teeth thing, the cop killer thing. People really hit
Speaker 1: the panic button. But then it started coming around again.
Speaker 1: What happened was you had the rise of dra and
Speaker 1: Snoop all this other stuff. So gainst the rap is
Speaker 1: back in vogue now, right, it's commercial now. At this point,
Speaker 1: eight was saying that they pretty much go out and
Speaker 1: look for a certain kind of artists and if he's
Speaker 1: not that type of artist, they want to mold you
Speaker 1: into that.
Speaker 3: Type of artist, absolutely because they they know that.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, like you know, you had the Takashi six to
Speaker 1: nine situation, you saw the whole thing that happened with that.
Speaker 1: You started getting a lot of people just kind of
Speaker 1: coming in under this false gangs, the pretense, because that
Speaker 1: was with that's what's polarizing people, that's what gets people engage.
Speaker 1: How much of that did you see? People just trying
Speaker 1: to just lead you down the path of debauchery.
Speaker 5: That's all there was, Just like the Pinocchio. It's a
Speaker 5: Pinocchio cartoon, you know what I'm saying. When they go
Speaker 5: into the taverns and they lure all the young boys in,
Speaker 5: this is where all the temptation is. This is where
Speaker 5: all the manipulation can happen because they know you don't
Speaker 5: know what you need to know. That's why part of
Speaker 5: the designer the label was to make sure the artists
Speaker 5: died young or their careers go left and we pull
Speaker 5: out the greatest hit so you can't have a career
Speaker 5: after us because we don't want you to succeed. That's
Speaker 5: always they shit. So it's like no thank you, but
Speaker 5: that's all they pushing. You see people jumping out of
Speaker 5: windows with their lives now because they are part of
Speaker 5: propaganda and they're being told to write like this and
Speaker 5: dress like that and become this character. And so they
Speaker 5: forfeit they soul and now they can't go home and
Speaker 5: don't even recognize theirself in the mirror, but all the
Speaker 5: fans think they're amazing and this and that. These motherfuckers
Speaker 5: are to blow their own brains out. There's a price
Speaker 5: to this shit. There's a cost for this shit. It's
Speaker 5: not all, you know, the glamorous shit that's I mean. Sure, man,
Speaker 5: the devil is real, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: The discipline is the stay where you're supposed to be
Speaker 5: and let your blessings come to you as they're supposed to.
Speaker 5: That's why I backed the way I got. I got ghosts.
Speaker 5: I do anything for Dre anytime whatever. With the music
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. We pop up when we need to
Speaker 5: jam whatever. But I like being in a peaceful place.
Speaker 5: I like being able to creep music purely from the heart,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And I had that ship
Speaker 5: hanging over your head with somebody telling you, no, you
Speaker 5: gotta wait to come out, you gotta wait to do this. Man,
Speaker 5: ain't no time to wait. Our days are numbered always.
Speaker 5: We don't know when it's going in.
Speaker 4: We gotta put out as much music as possible, that's
Speaker 4: for sure. Hodly Water Splash.
Speaker 5: Now we can make it more positive, happy, I'm sorry
Speaker 5: but I shared that. But but artists out there need
Speaker 5: to know this shit. It's not all glamor and glitch.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of weird stuff going on and pays
Speaker 1: a lot of weird stuff. We've had some off the
Speaker 1: record conversations I won't really bring up, but it gets deep.
Speaker 3: Bomb.
Speaker 1: You know one thing that we will talk about. They're
Speaker 1: always you know, on the internet, you find a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff, a lot of us bullshit, a lot of
Speaker 1: us lives right, but it's some stuff that kind of
Speaker 1: got like a little hint the truth to it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You hear about these weird parties that these people be having.
Speaker 1: You hear about these weird parties be having where people
Speaker 1: be congregating, and just kind of as the night goes on,
Speaker 1: it kind of just get weirder.
Speaker 5: I say, like pimc Ew, Yeah, you know, I ain't
Speaker 5: know where you're going.
Speaker 3: It gets to be a bit much.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, man, because you know when you come from the
Speaker 1: streets like, hey, I'm pretty sure you don't saw some
Speaker 1: shit because I know your ass ain't gonna talk about shit,
Speaker 1: but he ain't gonna say a word.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm smart, i'mpleting the fifth I pleaded the fifth.
Speaker 3: You know, I ain't seen shit.
Speaker 4: Right, ain't seen ship, ain't heard shit, you know.
Speaker 1: But without naming names and all that stuff. Man, how
Speaker 1: much weirdness did you get to see?
Speaker 4: Though? Too much weirdness?
Speaker 5: That's just when you when you at the biggest label
Speaker 5: in the world and everywhere you go. I was in
Speaker 5: Miami for like too much with Scott Storch, So imagine
Speaker 5: what that was like down there. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: I've seen some ship. I mean, we throw parties in
Speaker 5: k fans how shout out the k FED and Britney Spears.
Speaker 4: Mom is in the JACUZI wit ERUs.
Speaker 5: There's some crazy ship and keenan ivy wad is yelling
Speaker 5: at us over the fence telling us to shut the
Speaker 5: fuck up like it was movies. Man, it was. It
Speaker 5: was crazy shit going on. So the kind of parties
Speaker 5: I would go to would be full of tit tags, understand.
Speaker 5: So my weirdness was my first twos and threesomes, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, and getting turned out to that
Speaker 5: ship in the in the in the studio because I
Speaker 5: never I never listening to the digital Underground sex package
Speaker 5: and ship, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That ship freaks the industry.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's going, but not like that, but yes, like that.
Speaker 5: So thank you doctor Dre. Thank you Mark Batson Fitness.
Speaker 5: So you said you a little bit of fun.
Speaker 4: Man, I had too much. I had too much fun,
Speaker 4: a little bit of fun and I am raw dog king.
Speaker 4: Didn't you understand me?
Speaker 5: I played Russian Roulette with my dick something awful and
Speaker 5: I loved it.
Speaker 3: Especially from where you was at. Dog. Oh my god, man,
Speaker 3: it's a whole bunch of stuff like and.
Speaker 4: I was the monster.
Speaker 1: I was being a real nigga. Sometimes dog ain't good
Speaker 1: for business, right because it's so much stuff I got
Speaker 1: in my head, Dog that the fuck just got just spiling.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, there's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of herpies running around that motherfucker. It's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of HIV.
Speaker 4: Running around it.
Speaker 3: Get rid of human pappa loma and all kinds of shit.
Speaker 5: That's how I know God loves me because I should
Speaker 5: have had that ship.
Speaker 2: I was just jumping everywhere. Give it to me, and
Speaker 2: it's a whole bunch of something something to that.
Speaker 5: Because O D b Told me, I like it raw
Speaker 5: I got burnt once, but it was only got rhea,
Speaker 5: so I said, fuck it. Oh he did it in Chamydia,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, that's all good, thank you,
Speaker 5: dirty rest in piece.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did that.
Speaker 2: If it was into the the I told you much
Speaker 2: to the crazy party shit, I can really vouch for that.
Speaker 2: I was the type of nigga that I didn't have
Speaker 2: females in the studio when I recorded.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't have party types like. It was just me
Speaker 2: and Slip and maybe a couple of hood niggas and
Speaker 2: that was it. I never, you know, went to the
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, the wild chacuuzie parties where
Speaker 2: you know, motherfuckers sniffing cocaine or just titties and shit
Speaker 2: like that. I've never been to those.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I was too motherfucking I was scared of
Speaker 2: that side. Fun to me was coming back home from
Speaker 2: off the road and being able to go to the
Speaker 2: neighborhood or jumping my lowrider or you know. I never
Speaker 2: experienced the wild side of being in the in the
Speaker 2: industry because I always was a I wasn't a people person.
Speaker 3: You get me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up and all I knew was
Speaker 2: niggas from my neighborhood. Like I was the type of
Speaker 2: nigga that before I started rapping, nigga, I didn't even
Speaker 2: go out of Compton, Like we didn't go to La
Speaker 2: and the Valley and Hollywood and shit like that. Nigga,
Speaker 2: I stayed in Compton. Everything you give me, you want
Speaker 2: something to eat, burger joints, Louis Burgers, churches.
Speaker 3: The fucker you wanted.
Speaker 2: Weed that was on the block, you know, the homies,
Speaker 2: and drink and pussy that was around the corner in
Speaker 2: the hood at.
Speaker 3: The home girl house, you know.
Speaker 2: And then when it was time to go to bed, nigga,
Speaker 2: I was at the career.
Speaker 3: Bet moms, what else you needed? You give me? What
Speaker 3: else did the nigga? So I didn't.
Speaker 2: So by the time I got to the industry life
Speaker 2: and you know, traveling and parties in New York and
Speaker 2: Miami and traveling and meeting people and motherfuckers be like,
Speaker 2: are we partying the night? Come to the after party?
Speaker 2: Wont through one? I let the.
Speaker 3: Homies do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made the mistakes that my mother fucking ass
Speaker 2: back to the room smart and was like focused nigga,
Speaker 2: what time.
Speaker 3: The plane leave to get back to Compton. That was me.
Speaker 3: I made the mistake of going to one of them parties. Bro.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you mistake. We up in Hollywood Hills,
Speaker 1: you know, we deep up in Hollywood Hills. I'm over
Speaker 1: some people's house. This is when I was working for
Speaker 1: the publishing company, right, I wind up up there. It's
Speaker 1: normal at first, but then some of the people start
Speaker 1: to thin out, and next thing you know, it go
Speaker 1: from being you know, one hundred some people there that like,
Speaker 1: it's forty people there, and they start passing these trades
Speaker 1: around the room. It's different trades, and they passed me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm good.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm cool with It's the weed I got right in
Speaker 1: this drinking mind. I'm cool with that. So I asked,
Speaker 1: what is that shit? It's some other shit to come
Speaker 1: but to look real crystal last thing. Late, girls like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's m D M A. That was the first time
Speaker 1: I ever heard of that shit. But they were snorting
Speaker 1: and shit, and I didn't know. You know, I'm dumb. No,
Speaker 1: I'm ignorant to all that ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So when I tell you, dog, these motherfuckers start taking
Speaker 1: this they this Christal. It's like everybody in the room
Speaker 1: get a mask and everybody in the room getting weird
Speaker 1: except for you. Me and my homies. Get sitting there
Speaker 1: looking at this ship. Right, it's dudes leaving their girls
Speaker 1: to go kiss other niggas, and it's girls leaving them.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody in there niggas all all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: women start taking their shirt.
Speaker 4: Soft Dog.
Speaker 2: It was just like you remember that ship Truth Lies
Speaker 2: Wide shut of something vampire shut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you remember that one lady walk around, she get
Speaker 1: to shake and that ship motherfuckers to start fucking everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was like that, Dog, I'll look up.
Speaker 5: I remember that she was some kind of guy that
Speaker 5: was on HBO years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: Mother, just too much of adorable lives.
Speaker 4: Man, you're not normal, ship, Like you're not normal.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you some shit like that, like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give a fuck nigga from comed and gang Bang
Speaker 2: Hard Nigga whatever, shit like that.
Speaker 3: I used to spook the shit out. Shoot you get me.
Speaker 2: Just watching motherfuckers in the hood off of shit that
Speaker 2: we were serving made me go I don't never want
Speaker 2: to do no shit like that, nigga. Look at this nigga,
Speaker 2: This nigga running in circles in the middle of the street,
Speaker 2: butt ass naggd off some wet or this motherfucker just
Speaker 2: talking to the like. After seeing shit like that on
Speaker 2: the block, I'd be like, nigg I don't know why
Speaker 2: niggas wanted.
Speaker 1: If you would have been at this motherfucking party, weed,
Speaker 1: if you'd have been at this motherfucking party, my nigga,
Speaker 1: you would be like me and not want to go nowhere,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna tell you. And where we was at
Speaker 1: was weird because you know the house to be so
Speaker 1: big you don't know how to fuck to get out, yes,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to remember because you done went down
Speaker 1: some stairs and made a lift right there. So me
Speaker 1: and a hommy when we see motherfuckers start banging vicus
Speaker 1: on the wall, I say, oh, it's time to get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of there. So were trying to find
Speaker 1: a place, and we wind up in some little deep
Speaker 1: ass a cellar, like it's like a little thing, right,
Speaker 1: he's in the cellar, chickens was in some swinger and
Speaker 1: it's dark, right, And so a motherfucker looking for a light.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get out that motherfucker we don't remember
Speaker 1: how we came in. Is scary, and so we go
Speaker 1: to this one room dog it got a pentagram on
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 3: Went to some eyes wide shin hell razor.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. You know how that mouth
Speaker 1: ze was out there? You got them little windows on
Speaker 1: the side of the hill. Me and a homie crawled
Speaker 1: out the motherfucking window. Dog was on the side of
Speaker 1: these people's house walking. We were so scared. I had
Speaker 1: to walk way back around there. A dog came out
Speaker 1: and chased his dog. We had to walk and then
Speaker 1: walk up a big ass heel. I got to my
Speaker 1: car and chirped out, dog, I don't know where the fuck.
Speaker 3: We was at.
Speaker 4: I'm never going to any party.
Speaker 3: With you was at.
Speaker 4: That's scary.
Speaker 3: That one.
Speaker 2: You got a run where they where they all wear
Speaker 2: the robes and ship dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that goolies movie.
Speaker 3: But that's why your motherfucking asked what's scary?
Speaker 2: You need to stay out of a Hollywood exactly lifestyle.
Speaker 3: Niggas no parties like that.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker asked me, she will ask me to go
Speaker 1: to this album. Release my nigga, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: no more motherfucking party.
Speaker 2: Mother, and then clothed everybody up and ship and that's
Speaker 2: scary fire fire ships all over the water.
Speaker 1: Sleep when you're kindogram Because I saw a pentagram and
Speaker 1: they had like theseus on the wall with all these
Speaker 1: ship I was like, he don't know.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to get deckad and let him put you
Speaker 2: all the mother patterstal thing. Everybody come over, get the
Speaker 2: liqued hot.
Speaker 3: See the people don't know no dog. You know you
Speaker 3: said that. You know what they said.
Speaker 1: You know you said they tripped on you for praying, right,
Speaker 1: it's an element of Satanism, Satanism of that ship.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was a scope. That was a scope.
Speaker 4: You got people that don't fuck with God and when
Speaker 4: you are.
Speaker 2: That A lot of that ship right now don't see it.
Speaker 2: They had like crazy you see it now. But then
Speaker 2: they turn around and say, no, I'm not worshiping or nothing.
Speaker 3: To do with Satan.
Speaker 4: It's a philosophy.
Speaker 2: But you know they dressing, they changing their eyes, putting
Speaker 2: in different this you and everything is fire and red
Speaker 2: and little pentagram shits and how they're saying it and
Speaker 2: they raps about Satan and all that and demonic shit,
Speaker 2: and then they'll tell you mind your business or ain't
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with that, like you just like
Speaker 2: motherfuckers think people are just totally blind to the fact
Speaker 2: of bullshit nowadays.
Speaker 4: Message.
Speaker 2: I remember when when hip hop was just hip hop, man,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, motherfucker's just identified with the
Speaker 2: struggle of whatever it was, whether you're Black, whether you
Speaker 2: motherfucking Mexican, whether you're Asian. You know, hip hop was
Speaker 2: just hip hop, man, you know what I'm saying. A
Speaker 2: couple of breakdancers and pop lockers and shit niggas DJing
Speaker 2: and hitting up on motherfucking shit and graffiti and niggas
Speaker 2: spitting you know about the oppression of that was our music.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Now it's like all kind of shit that's involved, like
Speaker 2: hip hop ain't hip hop no more, Like let's kind
Speaker 2: of put that shit in some other category and shit,
Speaker 2: and let's leave hip hop to motherfuckers who truly or
Speaker 2: connoisseurs of what hip hop really means and shit. And
Speaker 2: I'm giving a fuck whether if you want to call
Speaker 2: it street rap or motherfucker's partying like it like you
Speaker 2: know young in see or if you want to be
Speaker 2: on the direction of eight and Dre and Bishop or whatever.
Speaker 2: And but hip hop just got to remain hip hop message.
Speaker 2: We gotta start putting so much dumb shit into into
Speaker 2: the music. You know that that that was ours. Motherfuckers
Speaker 2: want to take it so left right now, it's crazy hop.
Speaker 3: It's always mirrord with saying in the world.
Speaker 1: You know, hip hop has always been like a direct
Speaker 1: reflection that what was going on in the streets right
Speaker 1: and right now. You got some times and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get into it. Jar He told me to calm
Speaker 1: down a little bit. But we lived in the era
Speaker 1: right now. Bro to where if I came on this
Speaker 1: motherfucker next week with lines carved in my skin and
Speaker 1: some greenish brown eyes with the little pupil dilated pupils
Speaker 1: in there, and I put some gills on my neck,
Speaker 1: I can come up here and say I'm a lizard.
Speaker 4: Don't motherfucker lizard you identify as a lizard.
Speaker 1: Identify as a lizard, do not call me or I
Speaker 1: come up here with a bunch of tree bark on.
Speaker 3: What's my big group? Big group? I am groot And
Speaker 3: just said I am groot all day. Yep, I could
Speaker 3: do that. I am grout, I am groot. We have
Speaker 3: that right now.
Speaker 1: We live in that area to where I could become
Speaker 1: a tree. Yes, I can come on this motherfucker paint
Speaker 1: my skin brown and say I'm Mexican.
Speaker 3: I can come on and say I'm anything. I can
Speaker 3: say I'm that candle right there.
Speaker 5: You can say you're a candle. I'd like to see
Speaker 5: that and say you identify as a candle.
Speaker 4: We are living in a weird world right now. If
Speaker 4: I had the right.
Speaker 2: When motherfuckers say you rather to do it right there?
Speaker 2: Real light, yeah, real light. I ain't check this out.
Speaker 2: I don't have the right to have an opinion and
Speaker 2: say I don't like that, but they do. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2: I can't say nothing. If I say something what I
Speaker 2: tell you. Sometimes shit just can't be fucked with. Man,
Speaker 2: we had a great he left it there.
Speaker 5: He left it with a great hip hop speech that
Speaker 5: was beautiful, and then you went so where we're going though,
Speaker 5: So we gotta ral you back here.
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna get real back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Hip hop mirrors the world, yes, right, so what we're
Speaker 1: seeing the hip hop is just a direct reflection that
Speaker 1: what's going on in society right now, Yes.
Speaker 2: Sir, right right, like like you know, like you said,
Speaker 2: motherfuckers have the right nowadays to with hip hop.
Speaker 3: You can whatever.
Speaker 2: This is my this is my interpretation of what hip
Speaker 2: hop is to me. But then it's not hip pop
Speaker 2: to them. It's like, I don't know if it's an
Speaker 2: expression of their artistic you know, view or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But like I said, from where I come from, there
Speaker 2: was no different identification of what hip hop was, you know,
Speaker 2: hip hop.
Speaker 3: You know what it was.
Speaker 4: It was either dope, it was what the fuck that
Speaker 4: was it?
Speaker 2: It was a it was a DJ, it was a
Speaker 2: motherfucking MC and and scratching whatever.
Speaker 4: Dancing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes, like I said, some pop locking or some breakdancing,
Speaker 2: and that was hip hop. You give me. It wasn't
Speaker 2: nothing else. It wasn't like, you know, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this and call it hip hop or
Speaker 2: you know it is.
Speaker 3: It was what it was.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know, with the transition of times,
Speaker 2: you know, people certain people start feeling like, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to change the game. Up and and it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be that way. Sometimes ship should stay original. Man,
Speaker 2: you feel me, don't fuck with the with the with
Speaker 2: the with the nature of things. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: don't the nature of things? The ship is what they
Speaker 2: naturally should be. That's how I look at ship when.
Speaker 1: You talk about natural dog like we were talking about
Speaker 1: AI earlier, you know, shout out to Brian, our producer
Speaker 1: of the show. He came in and said, man, did
Speaker 1: you hear the biggie ship with the AI over the
Speaker 1: New York state of mind? It's ill, no man, what
Speaker 1: they can do with AI. And that's gonna cause a
Speaker 1: shipload of problems. It's cool to hit these rap verses,
Speaker 1: it's cool to hit these rap verses and different versions
Speaker 1: of songs and stuff, but it's not Can you imagine
Speaker 1: when somebody sends somebody a phone call in their daughter's voice, Dad,
Speaker 1: they got me.
Speaker 2: You know, I need you to send some money over here.
Speaker 2: Now they're gonna kill me, let me tell you so.
Speaker 2: And shit happened to my ship. Happened to my homie, uh,
Speaker 2: one of my homies, And shit, I call his phone
Speaker 2: fucking voicemail pickup right fucking and it's his voice. The
Speaker 2: motherfucker say, I'm not here right now, dowsing myself with
Speaker 2: whipped cream and rolling in motherfucking salted carol mail and nuts.
Speaker 2: He said, you don't even want to know what I'm
Speaker 2: about to get into, so hit me up later. I
Speaker 2: listen and I go the fuck. I doubted, motherfucking yeah
Speaker 2: it listen. The motherfucker like, yeah, dousing myself in whip creak.
Speaker 3: So I said, what the fuck.
Speaker 2: So when the nigga hit me, I said, nigga, what
Speaker 2: the fuck do you got on your answering machine?
Speaker 3: He said, what is it?
Speaker 2: I said, the nigga say some shit about you dousing
Speaker 2: yourself with whipped cream and rolling in salted caramel nuts.
Speaker 2: As soon as he heard me say that, he said,
Speaker 2: the fucking hold me Joe. He that got into my voicemail,
Speaker 2: and bro, I said, what the fuck is that? He
Speaker 2: said that Hoby Joe, that got into my foulded by
Speaker 2: voicemail and he done recorded and fuck it, I said,
Speaker 2: using your voice?
Speaker 3: He said, yeah?
Speaker 2: He said, what is it saying? He said, because everybody's
Speaker 2: calling me like, what the fuck is that? On your
Speaker 2: answer for SID? So I'm like, nigga, you got to
Speaker 2: go lit. He called me back and was like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? I said, Yeah, nigga, you're playing and whipped
Speaker 2: cream yourself cream, so like, yeah.
Speaker 4: You don't want to show what I'm about to do.
Speaker 3: That ship could really get you in some fucking hell. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just call the motherfucker's jump.
Speaker 2: About calling your motherfucking fuck your job or some imagine
Speaker 2: the motherfucker calling your broad or your nigga. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: would fuck you up. You get me on some ship,
Speaker 2: like some ship, a ship I've been fucking you up.
Speaker 2: You need somebody using your voice and call your girl
Speaker 2: and in the background acted like fucking the bitch. That's
Speaker 2: why the fucking ship is the bob listening to the ship.
Speaker 2: It's somebody playing. That's some fun. How do you get
Speaker 2: out of that call? It be like you, this is
Speaker 2: your voice and it say nigga, swear up it down.
Speaker 3: That is not me.
Speaker 5: And it's to be hard to understand if it's a
Speaker 5: real video or fake when you see these things, because
Speaker 5: it's gonna generate images as well.
Speaker 4: Ship, so it can, it can, it can incriminate.
Speaker 5: You with ship, just like the voices, So our eyes
Speaker 5: is gonna be playing tricks.
Speaker 4: On us that ships. Yeah, it's all kinds of ways
Speaker 4: it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Work, and it's not gonna be used for anything good.
Speaker 3: Message that's gonna be up.
Speaker 4: Dude, we saw a terminator.
Speaker 1: Well, the godfather of AI, Geoffrey Hen he recently stepped
Speaker 1: down from Google. He said that this goal it was
Speaker 1: he was warning them about dangers of a He said,
Speaker 1: he thinks to go destroy the world.
Speaker 4: It will.
Speaker 2: I mean, just imagine, I don't give a fuck business motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: You could be a leader, a presidential motherfucker. You could
Speaker 2: be the president of a bank and the motherfucker got
Speaker 2: your AI. Oh yeah, I need it out. There's somebody
Speaker 2: coming in. I need you out to their money at
Speaker 2: all kindage. Man, Come on, do you know what kind
Speaker 2: of it's the It's the easiest way to destroy your
Speaker 2: motherfucker if you ask me.
Speaker 3: Oh man, and can you imagine? Because up?
Speaker 2: But then, like I said, when people do shit like that,
Speaker 2: it's already thought of to where it's gonna be used
Speaker 2: to fuck up some shit. Never never like, oh, we
Speaker 2: could do so much good with this shiit automatically gonna
Speaker 2: be thought like, who can we fuck over by this shit?
Speaker 1: Listen to this the godfather of ay, I just quit
Speaker 1: Google and says he regrets his life's work because it
Speaker 1: can be hard to stop bad actors from using it
Speaker 1: for bad things.
Speaker 2: Get ready, somebody gonna use it or you would?
Speaker 3: Please don't these niggas no idea.
Speaker 2: Don't doubt yourself and with creeve this something.
Speaker 1: You already got something? How you chants out, you already
Speaker 1: got some sixty hero peen here here on mind talking
Speaker 1: time me up somewhere. Yeah, they gonna.
Speaker 2: Use the ship and be like I got something, y'all
Speaker 2: Yo tied theg.
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna have your ass.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a nigga somewhere sitting deckon share with
Speaker 2: your faces.
Speaker 3: They gonna.
Speaker 1: You know, but check out what dudes said though, man,
Speaker 1: he said, it's hard to see how you can prevent
Speaker 1: the bad actors from using it for bad things. I
Speaker 1: console myself with the normal excuse. If I hadn't done it,
Speaker 1: somebody else would have. Hinton, often referred to as the
Speaker 1: godfather of AI, spent years in academia before joining Google
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, when it brought his company for forty
Speaker 1: four million. He told The Times Google has been a
Speaker 1: proper steward for how AI tech should be deployed and
Speaker 1: that tech Giant has acted responsibly for his part. But
Speaker 1: he left the company and made it so that he
Speaker 1: can speak freely about the dangers of AI. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, it could lead to more fake of frogs
Speaker 1: than content being created, and how the average person would
Speaker 1: not be able to know what it's true anymore.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, that's the age, Renery.
Speaker 1: Well, he ain't right now because pretty much anything on
Speaker 1: the Internet, people take his fact now already, without none
Speaker 1: of this stuff, without AI, people already saying, well, shit, Bishop,
Speaker 1: they said that you fucked this fat biction.
Speaker 3: Over the you know, over the week or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know that you did this, you did shut out
Speaker 1: to the fat girls. I don't want to get nobody mad,
Speaker 1: so we go edit this all the shit.
Speaker 2: It's not a it's not a it's not motherfucker's job.
Speaker 2: It's not motherfucker's job right now to divert to to
Speaker 2: figure out what's true. Basically, it's just fuck it. It's
Speaker 2: our job to report the story first. I don't give
Speaker 2: fuck if it's true or not. I just want to
Speaker 2: be the first motherfucker to post or or or put
Speaker 2: it up, and I'll let everybody else figure out if
Speaker 2: it's true or not. You get me, It don't matter
Speaker 2: if a nigga got a fact or fiction, it don't matter.
Speaker 3: Fuck it Like, oh they said it.
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's it's gotta be subtrut because why
Speaker 2: would they say it? Like the days of proving if
Speaker 2: shit is right or wrong or true or lies is
Speaker 2: over with man, all it is. Motherfucker you go viral
Speaker 2: just for posting this ship. Look, I'm gonna be the
Speaker 2: first one to say, oh they said Bishop was blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, and nigga like, what the fuck? I don't
Speaker 2: even know who yet. Well, shitga, they said it. So
Speaker 2: that's what I heard. What I heard is what becomes
Speaker 2: your truth for you.
Speaker 1: And I tell you how fast that shit could twisted up.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking to Homie. Tyrant gets their Tyrann Turner.
Speaker 1: He says, you know, Tyron, how you talk?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Still, man, Uh, somebody just told me some ship that
Speaker 1: when the last time you've been in the fight. I said, huh.
Speaker 1: He said, because they said some dude name. Mom, they
Speaker 1: say some dude name. They said something. They said some
Speaker 1: dude named BJ or this thatt He tied you up
Speaker 1: and did this and that. I said, Bro, I ain't
Speaker 1: been in the fighting about fifteen years. I said, but
Speaker 1: that ain't true. It's not real. I say, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that was that Ai, but that was.
Speaker 3: You in somewhere.
Speaker 1: But they say it goes for me to getting tired up,
Speaker 1: to getting beat up just that quick. In in the universe,
Speaker 1: because people just believe any fucking thing.
Speaker 3: The story.
Speaker 2: You'll go from you got tied up to you got
Speaker 2: hung up till you got through in the trunk, to
Speaker 2: the story go from one person that one person. By
Speaker 2: time they come back to you, nigga, a nigga that
Speaker 2: tied you up, downs you and we creams you on
Speaker 2: video at your running behind the horse like niggas.
Speaker 3: Story go for.
Speaker 2: Nigga, you'd be like what the nigga was at home
Speaker 2: in the beds and working in this.
Speaker 1: She sets it.
Speaker 3: Nigga. Nigga said he tied you up. Nigga seits it
Speaker 3: and theig can had the aliens a duct you.
Speaker 4: Nigga.
Speaker 3: Aliens was up working in this.
Speaker 2: They were probing your ass and everything you was giving
Speaker 2: you was giving up all kind of information. Nigga's the
Speaker 2: information to the aliens it's over. That's why when you
Speaker 2: miss with this stuff, people ask me sometimes that see stuff.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I do research for the show on what we go
Speaker 1: talk about right, generally having me to talk about it, right.
Speaker 1: But motherfuckers believe anything. Before in journalism, you would have
Speaker 1: to go to two or three sources before you report
Speaker 1: on something. They wouldn't say nothing if you didn't have
Speaker 1: another source to verify with you, so they wouldn't run
Speaker 1: it because they didn't want to be.
Speaker 3: Looked at as frogs.
Speaker 1: Now a motherfucker, we just go online and say say they.
Speaker 3: They they don't care.
Speaker 2: Like even news channels do this shit now they real
Speaker 2: fucking just report a story off.
Speaker 3: Of no facts.
Speaker 2: It's not about a fact that, like you said, they
Speaker 2: used to fact check.
Speaker 3: I can't puck, I can't.
Speaker 2: Post the story, newspaper, nothing like that until we got
Speaker 2: one hundred percent fact check.
Speaker 3: If we post this story, we don't.
Speaker 2: Want to have to have a retraction, apologize or get
Speaker 2: sued by motherfucker now nigga, I saw a nigga blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. They don't give a fuck if it's a
Speaker 2: new fact or not. What we gotta do is report
Speaker 2: the shit first before NBC or ABC or WOOTI won't.
Speaker 2: We want to be the first ones to report the story,
Speaker 2: whether it's true or not. We want it just first
Speaker 2: on our platform, so everybody get to tune in in
Speaker 2: or whatever whatever. So so ship about truth and ship
Speaker 2: is that's been gone.
Speaker 4: That's gone.
Speaker 3: It's gone.
Speaker 2: All I gotta do is start a rumor and motherfucker's
Speaker 2: gonna post that ship. They're gonna run crazy with it.
Speaker 2: True or not, it don't matter. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I can go outside right now say Nigga sky yellow
Speaker 2: and oh you hate said the sky yellow out.
Speaker 3: There, so it gotta be in the motherfucker are you down?
Speaker 2: And that.
Speaker 3: They said it's yellow? Nigga's really blue? Right now?
Speaker 2: Man, Man, that's if that's what you think for an
Speaker 2: hour ago theow.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's just how ship works, how the world works now, man,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to I don't want to know the truth
Speaker 2: behind the ship. The truth is boring, man. I'd rather
Speaker 2: you tell a motherfucking lie or make up some ship.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you what.
Speaker 1: People are so thirsty for authenticity and what's real because
Speaker 1: they're not getting to think about reality TV. When they
Speaker 1: first came with that, it started becoming scripted. You know,
Speaker 1: I want you to get into a fight with him,
Speaker 1: where they would you know, they would actually coordinate little
Speaker 1: situations to happen, right, It wasn't real so right now,
Speaker 1: that's why you got people that. Look, if you look
Speaker 1: at it now, all the popular stuff is based on reality.
Speaker 1: You know from the show that Blue Face got with
Speaker 1: his girl that's blowing up.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 1: Everybody talk about it all the time. They just on
Speaker 1: there just doing the wildest shit, right, But people are
Speaker 1: so into that because people are so scared right now
Speaker 1: on the low they want escape in. It's something right now,
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with is a lot of escapism. People
Speaker 1: is davving into the dumbest, weirdest shit ever, right, and
Speaker 1: they believe in it because they lives are so fucked up.
Speaker 1: They rather live your life. You'll have a motherfucker arguing
Speaker 1: you down in the comments about some shit. He knows
Speaker 1: nothing about, telling you how you wrong, you did the
Speaker 1: homies wrong, don't know nothing about the situation, don't have
Speaker 1: no clue about it. But they worried and they really
Speaker 1: invested to the point to where they'll tell you how
Speaker 1: much they hate you. But they on the like clockwork
Speaker 1: every six thirty herolling, They ask you, they ask you,
Speaker 1: and God forbid, you give a motherfucker some attention, you
Speaker 1: gonna go back on there have ninety nine threads about
Speaker 1: some shit and them tell you, oh yeah, at two in.
Speaker 4: That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, most of the time, a motherfucker just wants
Speaker 2: some attention.
Speaker 4: That's what it's about.
Speaker 3: I've learned.
Speaker 2: I've learned to avoid that. That's you know, it's just
Speaker 2: some people like shit. That's like you said, that motherfucker
Speaker 2: he making it a habit, Like you said, nigga gonna
Speaker 2: talk shit, and then like you said, the next day,
Speaker 2: same bat time, same back channel. He right there, like
Speaker 2: shit has become just so, it's just become so motherfucking
Speaker 2: fake and bullshit with people wanting to get noticed. That's
Speaker 2: what I'll say. We got a lot of motherfuckers who
Speaker 2: just want attention nowadays, And like you said, you give
Speaker 2: a motherfucker two minutes of fame by going back and
Speaker 2: forth comment they feel they then done something. Next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't post your whole conversation on their page,
Speaker 2: like Look, I was going back and forth with Steele.
Speaker 2: That that made the highlight of they motherfucking day. They
Speaker 2: done sparked your attention. And now you're going back and
Speaker 2: forth with him and the motherfucker gona they gonna say that, Nigga,
Speaker 2: they gonna fuck you and all this shit, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna be fuck you back and won't you won't, And
Speaker 2: that motherfucker gonna be sitting right there showing.
Speaker 3: People you surping your energy for nigga.
Speaker 2: I'm a nigga with two followers and ship, and I
Speaker 2: got this nigga so pissed off. He's just nigga. Every nigga,
Speaker 2: Fuck you, nigga. You don't know me, nigga, fuck you niggas.
Speaker 2: That's that's making this highlight nigga. And they don't get
Speaker 2: me screen shot and all of it, and Niggy gonna
Speaker 2: post it big. Look he called me a motherfucker. Look
Speaker 2: right here, got a viral.
Speaker 3: Man I had.
Speaker 1: I had a dude that couldn't have been no more
Speaker 1: than sixteen years old. He's probably one hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 1: soaking wet. He sent me a thing saying, man, when
Speaker 1: I see you, I'm anna peel your scalp home. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, turn wow.
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 1: Like, but you know what the world is under some
Speaker 1: kind of veil right now, man, The world is under
Speaker 1: some kind of like I don't not to get all
Speaker 1: spirits on this stuff, but it's under a deep minic
Speaker 1: influence almost right now, dog, and stuff is really crazy now.
Speaker 1: Like I was in the grocery store. I saw a
Speaker 1: little girl talking so crazy to her mama. And that
Speaker 1: had been my mama. It had been bit back in
Speaker 1: the hour five right, yea. She have to calling her
Speaker 1: mama like calling her mama a bix like bitch ill
Speaker 1: told you I didn't like no chocolate, Bichall told you
Speaker 1: to get this one.
Speaker 3: I'm like looking, I'm like, is this her homegirl or
Speaker 3: her daughter?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: And it's like she just talking to her mom crazy,
Speaker 1: and her mom just like, oh God, you're just so ignorant.
Speaker 4: You're so ignorant, like karate chopped to the throat. Would
Speaker 4: it came so fast? So ignorant? Man?
Speaker 1: And I'm like thinking, like when did when did we
Speaker 1: lose respect on this most basic level? We didn't well
Speaker 1: as a society though, because you see all kinds of
Speaker 1: crazy ship.
Speaker 2: That's the generations of of what what motherfuckers you know,
Speaker 2: with with with where we are as far as you know,
Speaker 2: with with the generation that's coming right now, the young
Speaker 2: kids and whatever. I mean, there's a lot of ship
Speaker 2: that we didn't do the kids do today, like ship
Speaker 2: out of never in a billion years got away with,
Speaker 2: you know. So I just put that on society. You
Speaker 2: know what motherfuckers see now, what they accept, what's acceptable,
Speaker 2: what's tolerated.
Speaker 3: And you give me and we.
Speaker 5: Gotta remember when government stepped in and started trying to
Speaker 5: police how people raise their children and how they get
Speaker 5: their children in passing.
Speaker 2: Policy Poe and knock the ship out of me with
Speaker 2: a fucking with a fucking phone message and tell you
Speaker 2: and minute, nigga, keep talking, I'm gonna pick up this
Speaker 2: god damn phone while here and knock you upside the
Speaker 2: motherfucking head like I'm gonna call the police or you.
Speaker 3: Out of her.
Speaker 2: Nothing but but phone rings up. You get me to parents.
Speaker 1: Sure told my brother when he told her he was
Speaker 1: gonna call the police or her, she said, you need
Speaker 1: to number to the corner too, right, because it's going down.
Speaker 3: I was raised by mother.
Speaker 2: I was raised by you know, my parents who you know,
Speaker 2: they came through that generation where it was hard.
Speaker 3: So I'm not finna play with you. Nigga.
Speaker 2: You think you're finna be on the wrong path and
Speaker 2: doing something with all the ship I had to go
Speaker 2: through just to get here. You give me of what
Speaker 2: I had to see my parents and grandparents go through. Nigga,
Speaker 2: I was slave they ship.
Speaker 3: Now you all right?
Speaker 2: Parents, you think you're finna be out here talking crazy
Speaker 2: to me and walking in a different path than what
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: And please, nigga, I knock you silly, nick.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: It's like for nowadays and kids be like ship, pull
Speaker 2: a motherfucking heed on you. That's what these kids nowadays like,
Speaker 2: I pull a heed on you or fuck.
Speaker 3: You or call the people on your ass because.
Speaker 4: Where they where they in your social services, they internship.
Speaker 2: They introduced that to the kids. Nigga, it was over
Speaker 2: the kid like what I could call them. She fought
Speaker 2: to whoop my ass from doing some ship I need now.
Speaker 1: I think we covered it last week, so I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna need to speak on again. But they just passed
Speaker 1: the law Washington dog to where if your child wants
Speaker 1: to change identity said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. You keep all going. No this nigga
Speaker 2: keep all going. Okay, listen, yeah that's all. Let's see
Speaker 2: if they changed identities.
Speaker 3: Right when I was I'm gonna hear you, hear you, hear.
Speaker 1: You, they changed identities that you don't have no rights
Speaker 1: and they don't have to tell you.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 1: Then I saw another thing to where if your daughter
Speaker 1: is in another state, of your daughter is thirteen and
Speaker 1: decides to leave with a grown ass man somewhere, you
Speaker 1: can't do a damn thing about it.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man, Yeah, shit is crazy. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: touch on that. I'm gonna leave it to another time.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it seems like things that you
Speaker 2: know they're allowing or whatever. It's just a reflection of
Speaker 2: what people you know, truly have and depth of what
Speaker 2: they really want to try to push their agenda to. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we really need to think of welfare of
Speaker 2: the next generation, which is our kids, and where we
Speaker 2: want them to try to lead because a lot of
Speaker 2: these kids are going to be the next presidents and
Speaker 2: senators and police and lawmakers and whatever. So we have
Speaker 2: to be open minded to the way that the youth
Speaker 2: are raised and what they are, you know, what's accepted
Speaker 2: with the you know, with allowing the youth to participate
Speaker 2: in because you know, I'd raised my son on being
Speaker 2: a man, on being a father, on being you know,
Speaker 2: a contributor to society, having a family. You know, that's
Speaker 2: just the values I raised my son on.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't look at it like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's right to say this, but I didn't give my
Speaker 2: son a choice. You feel me, I didn't give my
Speaker 2: son a choice. This is what the fuck you gonna be?
Speaker 2: What it is, this is what you this is what's raised.
Speaker 2: You know, you gonna you know, you're gonna be a provider,
Speaker 2: You're gonna be a husband, You're gonna be a family man.
Speaker 2: You're gonna grow up on those those values used that
Speaker 2: I grew up on and my dad and his grandfather
Speaker 2: and whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know, I don't know where
Speaker 2: that line stretches with with a parent and you know,
Speaker 2: giving your child freedom and not wanting to be the
Speaker 2: hard disciplinary or wanting to be you know, the kids buddy,
Speaker 2: or you know.
Speaker 3: It's just though, man.
Speaker 1: Because the media's prisons is so strong and they can
Speaker 1: be very They influenced things because you remember, at one time,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was cool with everybody, all the brothers.
Speaker 4: Everybody put him in their wraps.
Speaker 3: She would put them in their wraps.
Speaker 4: He was the coolest dude around Hungers on WrestleMania. He
Speaker 4: was in home alone too. Nigga was everywhere.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people know this story, but
Speaker 1: Donald Trump a little black woman staying the Trump Towers
Speaker 1: for a long time time for free, because you didn't
Speaker 1: have nowhere to go. They called him and said, what
Speaker 1: do you want us to do with her? Kick her out?
Speaker 1: He said, no, she has no place to go, just
Speaker 1: leave her there. But I'll say that to say, you know,
Speaker 1: he's running again in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Not surprised.
Speaker 1: No, he's runned again. And right now him, I kind
Speaker 1: of like him over our current president. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to get too much no politics, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But you see what he keeps doing, keep doing what. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the general the politics thing. As
Speaker 1: far as the presidential thing, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: people people, people have you know experienced Biden, We've experienced Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think I think in anybody's
Speaker 1: eyes right now on that aspect.
Speaker 2: And I don't do politics. I'm not a politician. I
Speaker 2: don't do none of that shit. But from the opinions
Speaker 2: of the people, some people would rather Trump be back
Speaker 2: than having Biden.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean like Trump controversial, Bishop, because I don't think
Speaker 1: I was seeing them controversial.
Speaker 2: I like how you're trying to go about it. Like
Speaker 2: I said, we know what we're talking about. As far
Speaker 2: as that concern.
Speaker 5: Political stuff is nonsense, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 5: don't even get into it because.
Speaker 3: We know I've never done.
Speaker 4: Nobody for us, nobody cares about it.
Speaker 2: I've always felt that I felt I don't know age one.
Speaker 2: Since I learned all the chol since I learned in
Speaker 2: school about good since I learned in school about history
Speaker 2: and the presidents and voting and all that ship and whatever.
Speaker 2: For as long as I've gone back and remembered each
Speaker 2: president has been, it has still been the same.
Speaker 3: When I grew up in Compton. Everything you think.
Speaker 5: That that president's making decisions on his own is foolish,
Speaker 5: so we understand what it really is.
Speaker 4: That's why it's some way.
Speaker 3: Watch it.
Speaker 2: Watch it by Bob again, watching my motherfucking live it
Speaker 2: and copt it and growing up and gang infested the
Speaker 2: hood and all that every four years when it was time,
Speaker 2: from the time I was four to eight to twelve to.
Speaker 3: The ship was the.
Speaker 2: Exact same as on Johnson Street.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
Speaker 5: Saying that you make your own choices, But what I'm
Speaker 5: saying is when you look at what it really is.
Speaker 2: You vote yeah, you vote right and tell us how
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking on myself. You vote okay, and you
Speaker 2: go down there and you mark the ballots and they
Speaker 2: tell you, okay, this issue and he's going for this,
Speaker 2: and this is gonna change this and this is so
Speaker 2: you mark all that shit down When you go home
Speaker 2: and you're watched, you sitting up and you're watching the
Speaker 2: polls and so and so on. Do you in two
Speaker 2: years look up and go all that shit I marked
Speaker 2: down as it benefited.
Speaker 3: Me at fucking all? Not at all?
Speaker 2: I mean, really think about it. You mark your ship down.
Speaker 2: You and the wifey and y'all mark your ship down
Speaker 2: when you go in there and you look up two
Speaker 2: years after you done mark that ship down and did
Speaker 2: all this ship? Are you looking up and going Ooh,
Speaker 2: that benefited me.
Speaker 5: That did because it's look up when you get out
Speaker 5: of fucking bed every morning and put on your clothes
Speaker 5: and jump in the car and come down here.
Speaker 3: Do you go? Damn all that ship? I'm marked down
Speaker 3: and voted for it.
Speaker 5: A god damn thing changed message and the thing I'm
Speaker 5: gonna add to that, the thing I'm add to that,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm adding you.
Speaker 2: That's my perception of voting for. What the motherfucker tell you. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm finna change this.
Speaker 5: And they're not just the way you vote for them,
Speaker 5: and they act like they act like.
Speaker 2: They talking to you personally, Still it's for you, vote
Speaker 2: for me. I'm gonna do this for you and your community.
Speaker 2: I'm gonnas and I'm gonna do this. And a year
Speaker 2: later after you put that motherfucking off it, still personally,
Speaker 2: do you feel like, hmm, someone said they was gonna
Speaker 2: do this for me, They was gonna do this and
Speaker 2: do that. Goddamn But I'm still waking up every morning.
Speaker 2: I gotta pay this, I'm paying this, I'm paying this.
Speaker 2: I still gotta do this. I put my shoe on
Speaker 2: left right at a time, and god damn it, what
Speaker 2: has changed?
Speaker 3: For you.
Speaker 2: Do you feel honestly the ship that you have marked
Speaker 2: and voted for has benefited that you any way a
Speaker 2: year or two after you don't put a month fucking office.
Speaker 1: Well, I personally don't think the president has their own agenda.
Speaker 4: I think so he's gonna avoid saying no.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, no, it's the truth. Nothing happens.
Speaker 4: But okay, so that's what we said.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, My thing off real quick. I
Speaker 1: believe that it's important. It's more important to voting the
Speaker 1: local issues. Yes, because I think that you can touch
Speaker 1: it directly impacts us. Yes, it directly impacts us. So the
Speaker 1: person who's the mayor of the city I'll live in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's going pack me.
Speaker 3: Are they going to fix this?
Speaker 4: You can go to town hall, city meetings or whatever.
Speaker 5: But what I want to say is when you talk
Speaker 5: about these presidents, you talk about these administrations.
Speaker 4: Two things.
Speaker 5: All that money they gave to the Ukraine when all
Speaker 5: the banks and the companies in Silicon Valley started falling apart.
Speaker 5: Look how quickly they replaced billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 5: But when people needed stimulus packages, look how they've been doing, motherfuckers.
Speaker 5: Look at all the unemployed. They don't give a fuck
Speaker 5: about nobody. It's a game. And see and when you
Speaker 5: see that clearly, then it's a different way. You look
Speaker 5: at it through the lens that's all. Bless all them
Speaker 5: for the hustle that they're doing. But we know it's lies. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know it's.
Speaker 4: Lies too.
Speaker 1: As far as the president goes like the White House
Speaker 1: and all that. Bro think about it when you start
Speaker 1: thinking about like all the money that they gave to
Speaker 1: the Ukraine and we got motherfuckers, you know, we got
Speaker 1: people laying out in front of thirty thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: month condoes down to right here, we can't get money too,
Speaker 1: but we got money for that.
Speaker 4: But bless the new mayor because she push him and
Speaker 4: I look.
Speaker 3: At the way.
Speaker 1: It's just the whole thing, and just from things they're
Speaker 1: doing with taxes quietly right because you saw what they
Speaker 1: just did the taxes. Like the person that may occasionally
Speaker 1: sell something their garage or something like that. Now they
Speaker 1: dropped the limit from it being twenty thousand, you know
Speaker 1: on ten ninety nine income to six hundred dollars. What's
Speaker 1: gonna happen to the little girl that's babysitting is getting
Speaker 1: money from you know, from people of baby fifty bucks
Speaker 1: here and there. The baby sits some kids. So now
Speaker 1: she's gonna have to go at thirteen or fourteen years
Speaker 1: old and fill out all these forms. And most people
Speaker 1: don't even know about this. It's people cash uping people
Speaker 1: each other right now. And at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: they gonna get a big ass ten ninety nine. Oh,
Speaker 1: you got an extra ten thousand dollars that you done
Speaker 1: made and you might have spent that ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: on gas. It might have been for you doing something
Speaker 1: for somebody or something.
Speaker 5: And you're gonna see the eradication of the American dollar.
Speaker 5: You're gonna watch the whole motherfucker collapse. It's inevitable five
Speaker 5: to six years if we're talking about doing facts and
Speaker 5: real research. Yes, indeed, just the whole Oh, all this
Speaker 5: shit is systematically done. It's on purpose, it's on design.
Speaker 5: They destroyed the middle class. What they just want a
Speaker 5: working class system where they just pouring then the a
Speaker 5: leader here, Look how they're just taking away everything. The
Speaker 5: pandemic work two ways to cripple a lot of independent businesses,
Speaker 5: to wipe out a lot of competition. It's a lot
Speaker 5: of bullshit to that, not just some fucking outbreak. And
Speaker 5: then you look at what they're doing. So that's why
Speaker 5: I go again with people being evicted, with all the
Speaker 5: homeless in the streets, people without fucking jobs, but yet
Speaker 5: they talking about sending money to all these other countries.
Speaker 5: There's wars here, there's poverty, there's addiction, there's all kind
Speaker 5: of dysfunctional issues with our children. There's all kinds of
Speaker 5: shit that's got to be done. So that's why I say,
Speaker 5: if it's not with us street the street, block to block,
Speaker 5: it's not gonna get done correctly. These strangers don't know
Speaker 5: your refrigerators empty, they don't know your woes.
Speaker 4: They don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: And you wonder, though, you know I was talking about
Speaker 1: the taxes early and stuff like that, You wonder what
Speaker 1: are they doing with our text that was right? And
Speaker 1: you think it's becoming more and more frequent, right, because
Speaker 1: if you remember when we first broke off from Britain,
Speaker 1: they established the thirteen colonies, right whatever, right there? What
Speaker 1: did them in England go to beef over the tax
Speaker 1: tax right? Boston Bush tax?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So America and y'all correct me if I'm wrong with
Speaker 1: any point, because I'm not really versed on it. I
Speaker 1: know a little something, but not a whole lot. I
Speaker 1: do remember up into the First World War that there
Speaker 1: were no you know, personal income taxes, right, and they
Speaker 1: just put the tax in place just to fund the war.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 1: America has managed to stay in conflict since then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somewhere on the planet. Somewhere on the planet. So it's
Speaker 1: just all a game thog.
Speaker 5: That's when King I think it was King Ferdinand and
Speaker 5: his and the queen got assassinated. That's what started that,
Speaker 5: with the with the with the Bolshek. I forget what
Speaker 5: it is, but that's how it started. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's so much to that. Yeah, that's history. This tax
Speaker 5: American history is interesting. But remember this was supposed to
Speaker 5: be the colonizers for Britain and then they betrayed their
Speaker 5: own people and went rogue.
Speaker 4: So remember who you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they turned right around and did the same
Speaker 1: thing that they went to warld with Britain over there
Speaker 1: you go, just just twisted it back a little bit,
Speaker 1: just saying Okay, I'm gonna tax you now.
Speaker 4: Was that not white on white crime back then.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, now, if I give nephew, let's say eight,
Speaker 1: tell Karan a couple of his buddies to come over
Speaker 1: this weekend, and I got a couple of dollars for
Speaker 1: him before they go to school. Gets for cutting some grass, right,
Speaker 1: they cut the grass, I pay them some money. I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to ten ninety nine them now at the end
Speaker 1: of the year for foul.
Speaker 5: But that's how they're trying to crush anybody being able
Speaker 5: to get up. Think about somebody that's sick when they're
Speaker 5: on that much of a micro level to trying to
Speaker 5: stop anybody from even having any kind of trickle down effect.
Speaker 4: They want the fucking well dried because then what is there.
Speaker 5: There's the streets in prison, and eventually from the streets,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be prison. And since they privatize and they
Speaker 5: make money, it's an easier way contain motherfuckers. So it's
Speaker 5: great to have these tiny little homes and ship get
Speaker 5: motherfuckers ready to be boxed in more so, Yeah.
Speaker 1: For real, shit is fucked up now. So what you
Speaker 1: got going on now with your music though, how.
Speaker 5: You're gonna switch from deep ship like that and.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't talk because I don't want nobody snatch
Speaker 1: me up from one of them little vans dogs.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna happen to you too much.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna tie you up and down and keep
Speaker 3: him off of some ship. You know.
Speaker 2: I think they call keep hearing. He's doused in chocolate
Speaker 2: right now. Thank you, no, thank you? But uh what
Speaker 2: was the question?
Speaker 1: This this new amazing music that you've been putting together,
Speaker 1: They just.
Speaker 5: Don't die album. Man, it's my it's my best work ever.
Speaker 5: I'm just happy. I always come around when it's time.
Speaker 5: I don't never want to be out there just to
Speaker 5: be seen. I want to serve a purpose, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean with the music and with the energy
Speaker 5: and what it can create, especially in the times that's coming.
Speaker 4: So just don't die.
Speaker 5: As a mantra to tell people in every which way
Speaker 5: in spirit and mentality and hope and even in heartbeat.
Speaker 4: Just don't die.
Speaker 5: Because the ship that we're about to face, the ship
Speaker 5: that we have to do already.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be worse.
Speaker 5: So I want to create music to be a soundtrack
Speaker 5: to real life. And so that's that's the ship. And
Speaker 5: so I've been blessed with my ogs. Chuck D on
Speaker 5: the album Iced Tea on the album, Exhibit on the
Speaker 5: album Too Short, KD.
Speaker 4: Get This Man on the album.
Speaker 5: But it's it's my greatest work and it's and it's
Speaker 5: the it's gonna move, it's gonna move, it's gonna touch people,
Speaker 5: it's gonna do what it's supposed to do. So I'm
Speaker 5: just excited to to to really serve the right way.
Speaker 5: So that said, I'm just getting ready to put out
Speaker 5: a lot of great music, connect a lot of dots,
Speaker 5: and just try to create a lot more unity and healing.
Speaker 5: The same shit I started with I'm gonna finish with.
Speaker 5: It's very necessary on all levels. And so when you
Speaker 5: find your purpose and what you know your heart beats for,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm committed to. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: because with music, with the push of a button, we
Speaker 5: can change motherfucker's minds, motherfucker's changed their lives. Motherfuckers take
Speaker 5: our words and take them to the wind and move
Speaker 5: so with the blessing like God with the word is
Speaker 5: powering that I.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't play with it.
Speaker 5: I learned that from being on the major because you
Speaker 5: don't know what people gonna do with your music.
Speaker 4: You feel me exactly.
Speaker 5: So I'm very mindful what I'm creating and what the
Speaker 5: gift that God has given me.
Speaker 4: So that's it. It's just some real It's dope, that's it.
Speaker 5: I've been busting my ass to make sure it's my
Speaker 5: best work. That's why it's been taking so long. I
Speaker 5: want to make sure it's something great for people. I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to take people's money. I'm trying to give
Speaker 5: people something, soul protein. I'm trying to give people something.
Speaker 1: You for sure got some stuff on it, man, And
Speaker 1: that's why it's dope having you on this episode because
Speaker 1: I know you have a deep train of thought and
Speaker 1: you probably you're probably the only person I know that
Speaker 1: reads more than me. Shit glasses glass reads a lot,
Speaker 1: last reads a lot because I prefer reading over the
Speaker 1: actually looking at television.
Speaker 5: And I love having the you know, it's just like
Speaker 5: being MC. You want to write in a notepad because
Speaker 5: in pages is something else to turn them. It's the
Speaker 5: same thing when you have a book and you put
Speaker 5: notes in, you know your highlight. There's a relationship with
Speaker 5: books the same way with a DJ and carrying Crates.
Speaker 5: Back in the day when I was paying dudes, I
Speaker 5: was carrying.
Speaker 4: My homeboy DJ. For reals, Crates, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's it's a it's a it's a it's a rite
Speaker 4: of passage.
Speaker 5: When it comes to knowledge and researching, it's not just
Speaker 5: googling some ship. I remember when I wanted to learn
Speaker 5: big words, I had to just be in the fucking dictionary,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's like that the energy of what books.
Speaker 5: Give you, man, and then in a backpack, the motherfuckers
Speaker 5: make you strong.
Speaker 4: I got a backpack full of books. But it's so
Speaker 4: key to be.
Speaker 5: Educated, right because a lot of ship that's out of
Speaker 5: print will have more to purity. So you got to
Speaker 5: go for a lot of a lot of different references
Speaker 5: to really get to the truth. And and that's a
Speaker 5: lesson from John Henry Clark, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Sure of of learning that shit is necessary and shout
Speaker 5: out to the last bookstore.
Speaker 4: Down in the church, that shit is amazing.
Speaker 1: That it is amazing. You remember going to the mall.
Speaker 1: You would see a bunch of bookstores and me, you know,
Speaker 1: my wife go shop and I always just go in
Speaker 1: the bookstore, and I would look at the magazine a
Speaker 1: little bit. I would look at the source a little bit,
Speaker 1: look at the source and see what they have popping.
Speaker 1: Then I would go I would buy an issue with
Speaker 1: a source. I used to take that with me. Then
Speaker 1: I would go find a book, like you know, that's
Speaker 1: where I found Behold a Pill hor So, yes, well,
Speaker 1: you're mate, Cooper. What's my other one? Illuminati six sixty six,
Speaker 1: all those books, you know, those different books. That's my
Speaker 1: preferred reading list right there. I'm in all the strange
Speaker 1: and stuff because I want to know what's going on.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of stuff we don't get told.
Speaker 5: Ancient coushatte empire, it's all kind of stuff. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: it's like that's where the knowledge is about the ancient Morris.
Speaker 5: But but that's why readings so dope. But it's just
Speaker 5: as an emc. It's the same thing when you studying
Speaker 5: records and you're watching show performances. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: You researching and studying like a scientist, you know, every
Speaker 5: which way. That's just the way I believe in it
Speaker 5: because that's the only way to be dope with the craft.
Speaker 5: It's gotta be every day, and you gotta know where
Speaker 5: it comes from. You gotta see all these different you know,
Speaker 5: compartments or departments. Be like, let me emmer myself in
Speaker 5: jazz for a while and understand Miles Davis deeper, let
Speaker 5: me understand why jazz was just to give birth to
Speaker 5: hip hop in this way.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Infuse, how is hip hop such an amalgamation where you
Speaker 5: can sample anything and it is still hip hop. You
Speaker 5: see that it takes on everything and fuses it. That's
Speaker 5: a scary thing for them because it wasn't supposed to last,
Speaker 5: and look.
Speaker 4: What it's done.
Speaker 5: So for every fucking ioda in my body, I gotta
Speaker 5: give my allt to hip hop because it changed my
Speaker 5: life and bless my life. So I know what it
Speaker 5: can do for others and MC's and artists coming behind us.
Speaker 5: That's the real energy. Let us demonstrate how it's really
Speaker 5: supposed to be done before motherfuckers lose that art and
Speaker 5: understanding of it's all right to be real, and it's
Speaker 5: alright to be genuine, it's all right to be original,
Speaker 5: it's alright to be cool. With this much of a
Speaker 5: fan base, I'm still successful because I'm making a living
Speaker 5: off what I love to do. I'm not worried about
Speaker 5: world level. I'm in the world, not of it. You
Speaker 5: feel me.
Speaker 4: Holy water splash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a couple of people in this room.
Speaker 1: There was around one hip hop wasn't here. We just
Speaker 1: started kind of, you know, emerge from the underground. I
Speaker 1: think everybody first first record they heard was it's my
Speaker 1: boys right there, Sugar Heel Game, first rappers, the Light
Speaker 1: and my uncle came back from the military from Germany.
Speaker 1: He had a tape with a bunch of different rappers
Speaker 1: on this super rapping all that Jimmy Spicer and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I can remember when it all first
Speaker 1: came through. But man, I really appreciates you stopping by.
Speaker 1: Dog Oh listen with your presence, man the Honorable Bishop Lamon.
Speaker 4: Day, yes and day, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: We gon have more details about our two hundred episode session.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be thing May twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: Is that it May twenty seven, twenty seven, we have
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Speaker 2: just have a good time where everybody celebrating the show.
Speaker 2: A couple of fans come out, get to see us
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Speaker 1: Sure message, I'll be back XHL with the location in
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