Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is Mick
Speaker 1: shot screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the
Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And here we are, well, here some
Speaker 1: of us are. Yeah, inside the SWBC podcast studio on
Speaker 1: Draft Day, two thousand and twenty two. It's one of
Speaker 1: your earliest pregame shows of the day. There have been
Speaker 1: others that have already started. I am sure, but we
Speaker 1: are here to preview tonight's draft and it should be
Speaker 1: a very interesting day and a very interesting weekend, and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what unfolds. Mickey Spagnola. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody keeps asking me, so you're going to Vegas for
Speaker 1: the Draft. It's like, no, we don't need to go
Speaker 1: to Vegas. You got it happens right here at the
Speaker 1: Star And by the way, even bigger happenings outside with
Speaker 1: the draft party going on. I when I came in today,
Speaker 1: I walked by the plaza and uh, it's getting set
Speaker 1: up for the party. So the draft party, I think
Speaker 1: starts at six o'clock something like that. It looks like
Speaker 1: we've got good weather for it. Yeah, it was supposed
Speaker 1: to rain this morning, but the rest of the day
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear, So yeah, it would be a good day.
Speaker 1: And God built. As I wrote in my mix SHOT's
Speaker 1: column for last night, thank God this draft is here.
Speaker 1: It just seems like it's been going on forever, ever
Speaker 1: since they lost on what was it, January sixteenth. That's right,
Speaker 1: we've been talking draft, you know, at night. Started by
Speaker 1: that way, yep. And for a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of people that started before the season because they like
Speaker 1: to talk draft. I'll see all year long, and I'll
Speaker 1: plug this right off the top at eleven o'clock on
Speaker 1: Saturday night on CBS eleven and other affiliates across the
Speaker 1: Great Southwest and beyond. The Dallas Cowboys Draft Special will
Speaker 1: chronicle the lead up to the draft, and in fact,
Speaker 1: there's some great exclusive behind the scenes footage and of
Speaker 1: meetings here at the Star, of coaches and scouts talking
Speaker 1: about players and stuff leading up to it, gone the
Speaker 1: road with scouts, Senior Bowl, Combine, Pro Days and so forth,
Speaker 1: and so that will be and of course a recap
Speaker 1: of the draft as well, but the hour long show,
Speaker 1: the hour long Draft Special, the annual Cowboys Draft Special,
Speaker 1: has some pretty good stuff behind the scenes of just
Speaker 1: what all goes into this month long process, and of
Speaker 1: course it's a year long process for all the scouts. Well,
Speaker 1: they reveal what they were going to do before they
Speaker 1: did it. Well, we'll have to see, We will have
Speaker 1: to see. And speaking of undrafted guys, the Draft show,
Speaker 1: the draft was never important. I hated. He wasn't worried.
Speaker 1: He wasn't worried about the day of all days. I
Speaker 1: decided to those priority free agents. You know, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a bunch of priority free agents, and we're
Speaker 1: our priority free agent has just arrived, and they'd probably
Speaker 1: be more than normal with the amount of people in
Speaker 1: the draft today. That's right. You know they tried to
Speaker 1: talk about this as being like a bum draft. Do
Speaker 1: you think that? Do you think it's because the focus
Speaker 1: is on the first round when people are talking about
Speaker 1: it being above draft, it's because you don't have the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks up and at the top of it, you know,
Speaker 1: there's not somebody that you just has not got to
Speaker 1: have Clowney who you just know is going to have
Speaker 1: a wonderful. Yeah, so you don't think any clowns are
Speaker 1: uh T J. Watts out there? I mean or J. J.
Speaker 1: Watts j J or T J P either way, So
Speaker 1: there's none of those out there. To what you say,
Speaker 1: that guy, well, we don't know that yet. So we
Speaker 1: didn't know J. J. Watt was J J. Watt until
Speaker 1: j J. Watt. Yeah, No, I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody you just got to have.
Speaker 1: That's why we need to record this and uh and
Speaker 1: it will be archived and we'll go back five years
Speaker 1: from now. Oh no, we didn't. There's nobody in this.
Speaker 1: We'll just go back to seventeen years from now when
Speaker 1: we had it right. And two, Thibodeau is a Pro Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: perennial Pro Bowl or Hall of Famer. But but to him,
Speaker 1: he already thinks he and you know what, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some guys that the teams look at right
Speaker 1: now where I just gotta have that guy, right, We
Speaker 1: just don't know, you know, because no one talks. And
Speaker 1: if they're talking, you know, as Jerry said, I don't
Speaker 1: mind chumming. It's not like it's not like last year's
Speaker 1: draft when Mickey Spagnola just gotta have that guy. He
Speaker 1: just had to have that guy, right, And who is
Speaker 1: the guy you just had to have a guy? Who
Speaker 1: was the Lion backers Parsons from from day one of
Speaker 1: the draft process. Mickey Spagnola says, I gotta have that
Speaker 1: and it was Michael Parsons. So that makes him like
Speaker 1: one absolutely, So who is it this year for you? Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, for the Cowboys? All right, there's there's rumors
Speaker 1: because one of the ESPN guys headed mock draft that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were trading up to thirteen with Houston, and
Speaker 1: that got it all started. The next starts part came
Speaker 1: out that they're going to fourteen the next twelve. So
Speaker 1: if there is a guy, if there is a guy
Speaker 1: that you would trade a first and second round draft
Speaker 1: pick to move up for, who might that guy be?
Speaker 1: If he has to speculation, if he has to go
Speaker 1: to the paperwork, then he's got to go low down us.
Speaker 1: That that's what happens when you're picking twenty fourth. Instead
Speaker 1: of language, we're looking at here. You don't like anything? Nope, nope, check, nope,
Speaker 1: check nope. I don't what position? Okay, position it won't
Speaker 1: be we know what position. It won't be guard guard,
Speaker 1: all right, So what position would you trade? Oh, it
Speaker 1: would have to be a offensive tackle, knowing the needs
Speaker 1: that this team has right now, an offensive tackle, a
Speaker 1: defensive end, or a wide receiver. Okay, all right, so
Speaker 1: I'll throw out what I mean. This is not going
Speaker 1: to happen because now Charles Cross is talked about as
Speaker 1: being a top five pick. Yeah, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: Charles Cross falls to thirteen, and well, the Texans would take.
Speaker 1: But if they've already taken their tackle, let's say at
Speaker 1: three and Charles Cross is there at thirteen, or which
Speaker 1: one of those wide receivers if they're at thirteen would
Speaker 1: you be interested in? And which one of the edge
Speaker 1: rushers if they fell would you be interested in? Well, Tibodaux, Okay,
Speaker 1: Thibodeaux if he fell, would be one that you would
Speaker 1: you would trade a first in a second to move up.
Speaker 1: It might take a first second in a fifth. See
Speaker 1: that's just too much. That's too much. That's why I
Speaker 1: first second in a future. Yeah, next, next, I mean
Speaker 1: that would be somebody that I think you would definitely
Speaker 1: take based on talent. Yeah, I say, what about his attitude.
Speaker 1: What about his well part, I don't know. And then
Speaker 1: I guess the wide receiver to go off that high
Speaker 1: would be Drake London. Drake London, Okay, he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: interested in Jamison Williams because he's coming off at ACL.
Speaker 1: So here's the deal on Jamison Williams. He's going to
Speaker 1: start the season on PUP and I can't give up
Speaker 1: three draft choices and my first round pick, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna come here and he's going to rehab all during
Speaker 1: training camp and probably miss at least he may end
Speaker 1: up on PUP and missed the first six weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. All right, let me ask you this, because
Speaker 1: there'll be another wide receiver. This isn't like the last
Speaker 1: wide receiver on the Earth. Same thing with the offensive tackles.
Speaker 1: It's not the last offensive tackle on the Earth. Well,
Speaker 1: let's say that Jamison Williams coming off his ACL slides
Speaker 1: because of his ACL, and he is down there approaching
Speaker 1: twenty four. Okay, let's pay pick number twenty and all
Speaker 1: it takes is a fifth to move or what whatever
Speaker 1: it might be. Let's say a fifth to move up
Speaker 1: to get him move up one spot, two spots or
Speaker 1: or if you made it all the way to you
Speaker 1: would you take a wide receiver at twenty four who
Speaker 1: is coming off an ACL and is probably going to
Speaker 1: miss the first six weeks of the season, So then
Speaker 1: two of my top three receivers aren't going to play.
Speaker 1: So that so right, that is I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: one of those shake your heads as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, if Jamison Williams was there at twenty four,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm taking that guy because because it's
Speaker 1: you can find guys. What would you put you can
Speaker 1: find guys you can find. I would put him on
Speaker 1: pup to start the year, and then when he's ready
Speaker 1: to go, what would you would you like to be slot?
Speaker 1: Would you like? You can do all three? And that's
Speaker 1: what I gotta have. This guy. Look at his speed,
Speaker 1: Look look at the screen. Yeah, okay, this guy, I've
Speaker 1: seen him run away from right. Yeah, that's it's jaw
Speaker 1: dropping the speed that this guy's got. It seems like
Speaker 1: he toys with him when they that's right, and that's
Speaker 1: why a talent like that. When I saw, yeah he's
Speaker 1: toying with him. Yeah, a talent like that or on
Speaker 1: end a round's goodness, I mean, it's it's like, stop,
Speaker 1: it was too fast. You know what he reminds me of.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Bob Hayes. Oh no, no, man,
Speaker 1: don't say that. He does the way he runs away
Speaker 1: from people about Bob. Bob had to work on his
Speaker 1: receiving and then he became the amazing Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: that he turned out to me. Yeah, now this guy's polished. Now.
Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting about him is that he was
Speaker 1: fourth on the depth chart at Ohio State, behind Chris
Speaker 1: Lave and Garrett Wilson and uh Jackson Smith and Jigba
Speaker 1: who is still at Ohio State and spurred Alabama to
Speaker 1: be able to play. I just still take offense watching Bob.
Speaker 1: He's run is a religious experience. Okay, So let's let's
Speaker 1: just the way, just the way he runs away from people,
Speaker 1: all right, that's the Wow, what talent that guy is? Well,
Speaker 1: it is and you have to judge it. And my
Speaker 1: understanding is that they did a recheck on him, yea,
Speaker 1: and all the teams weren't on the virtual recheck, but
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were. So if you want to add to
Speaker 1: your speculation, speculation, well you called the ceede lamb draft,
Speaker 1: didn't you, Well, it was a no brainer pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you always say no brainer. You like them, But who thought?
Speaker 1: Who thought he was going to fall to seventeen? Right?
Speaker 1: I didn't. Didn't they were going to fall, And they
Speaker 1: didn't either because they were ready to take a defensive
Speaker 1: end of Chase. Yeah that's right. So um, but again
Speaker 1: you have to understand he's going to start the season
Speaker 1: on pop right, I mean because he had his surgery.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like Michael Gallup. I mean Gallup had
Speaker 1: his surgery in February and he got hurt in the
Speaker 1: National Championship game. Right, So he's a month ahead of
Speaker 1: gall but still the Cincinnati and he said he's a
Speaker 1: semi final ahead. He said his rehab is even further
Speaker 1: ahead of progress. Yeah, but further ahead is fine. But
Speaker 1: so still, for guys you're anticipating, it would be a
Speaker 1: surprise if he were ready to start this. They're all
Speaker 1: to be top. It's nine to twelve months. What's this
Speaker 1: guy's dimension? What is it? What is his numbers? I
Speaker 1: mean is tall? Well, I just happened to have a
Speaker 1: big green NFL draft scouting book here that I was
Speaker 1: all the details. We've got a lot of lean, diminutive
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You know what you're gonna say, he's lean
Speaker 1: and diminutive. When I tell you six to one and
Speaker 1: a half one seventy nine, yeah, yeah, I could jack
Speaker 1: somebody the other. And he doesn't look like other than
Speaker 1: that he wants he can't get off that jam. Doesggan
Speaker 1: that he looks smaller, he does. He actually looks smaller.
Speaker 1: He didn't look sick. He looks bigger than me because
Speaker 1: he wears the hip pads up higher. His probably the
Speaker 1: number you have to worry about. His probable h forty
Speaker 1: speed is four point three something. Yeah, that's as a defender,
Speaker 1: that's what you're worrying. That's probable. He couldn't run it,
Speaker 1: and so it was actually the way that guys were
Speaker 1: running four threes at this combine his probable as four
Speaker 1: two something. Yeah, right exactly. He's gonna be fine, so
Speaker 1: he'll you know, And and my understanding is the surgery
Speaker 1: was clean, so he there wasn't any complications in there.
Speaker 1: But again, you know you won't get his best until
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So let me ask you about another one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm Charles Cross isn't gonna fall all right. Trevor Pinning,
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Northern Iowa who is projected to
Speaker 1: go mid first round. Okay, Caking, definitely, I think definitely.
Speaker 1: He's got a nasty demeanor and definitely he can play
Speaker 1: guard his first year. Right, you would be on board
Speaker 1: with that. I could first, in a second, move up
Speaker 1: to thirteen or fourteen. Yeah, well you mean first, you
Speaker 1: mean another first? No? No, you're yeah switching and just
Speaker 1: giving up, just like you did with Mo Clayboard. No,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna move that far for a second. You
Speaker 1: can go if you look at the value chart. Okay,
Speaker 1: the highest the Cowboys could go if you look at
Speaker 1: the value chart is to about fourteen with a first
Speaker 1: twenty four, fifty six, their second, and a fifth round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the fifth. I know. That's why I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't even include the fifth. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: way in your hand this way when you start talking,
Speaker 1: don't dismiss me like that. I mean, I know, embody,
Speaker 1: I embody, I'm drafted this But come on, say you
Speaker 1: say you get Penning right, right, and then when when
Speaker 1: do you deal with your problem at wide receiver? Now
Speaker 1: you got eighty eight now you got it. Third, Now
Speaker 1: you got to take your fourth and third and move
Speaker 1: up about ten spots as all you can move up
Speaker 1: with a fourth, Yeah, combine with your third to get
Speaker 1: David Bell from Purdue. Okay, here's what I need. So
Speaker 1: you're what you are you saying that with this wide
Speaker 1: receiver crew, if we don't draft anyone, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about? Not very good? Not very good at not
Speaker 1: at all, not at all, not at all. You don't
Speaker 1: think they have any capabilities of being competent as they
Speaker 1: were last year? I think I think that. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about just holding on for six for six weeks, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you got cdee Lamb, James Washington, Noah Brown, SIMI
Speaker 1: that's not chicken living man, right, No, these guys are
Speaker 1: pretty that if none of them get hurt, don't get hurt.
Speaker 1: And assuming that Ceedee Lamb could be my number one guy, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, which we haven't seen yet, and he's ready
Speaker 1: for that, I think. So he's ready for that. But
Speaker 1: again it's unknown. And but there are veteran wide receivers
Speaker 1: out there too, and they're still can get us out
Speaker 1: there market value. So then after today, there's better After today,
Speaker 1: then we'll know more. We'll know more about Landry. Right,
Speaker 1: we might bring your boy back. You know, since the
Speaker 1: vaccine man date is lifted, no mask man date, will
Speaker 1: we bring him back? The name not to be mentioned,
Speaker 1: I mean not to be mentioned. Sorry, I was trying
Speaker 1: to think who you're talking about. Oh yeah, so here,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you did that. Here's my premise. Here's what's
Speaker 1: got to happen. They've got to have a first round
Speaker 1: pick that's a walk in starter, right, it seems that
Speaker 1: that's what you want, and I don't. I don't. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever position, because there's needs at about four of them.
Speaker 1: And then the second pick has got a challenge for
Speaker 1: a starting job, and the third pick has to get
Speaker 1: in the rotation at some position. Doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a starter, but you've got to be a contributor. They
Speaker 1: need those three things. However they work it out, you
Speaker 1: give up your second chances are the next pick is
Speaker 1: is he a walk in competitor for a starting spot
Speaker 1: in the third round? I don't know? Or could he
Speaker 1: be a top three wide receiver on your team? Is
Speaker 1: he better than Noah Brown? Let's put it ready for
Speaker 1: be ready for a slow start, now, to the season. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're going to hope, hope for improvement by some players.
Speaker 1: They might be able to step up and do more
Speaker 1: than they've ever done before existing players. We don't have
Speaker 1: to get anybody. Someone's gonna have to say Brown's gonna
Speaker 1: have to step up, while Brown is gonna have to
Speaker 1: step up. They've got to be better than what they've shown.
Speaker 1: And that is a possibility. You know, everyone doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be believe in the narrative that's written on them.
Speaker 1: You know, some guys might actually step out and do
Speaker 1: better than what we say they are because they are
Speaker 1: they have been something that have been teetering on, you know,
Speaker 1: being better, doing better. So if like a guy like
Speaker 1: Dorin Sarmstrong gets more opportunities, does he get more than
Speaker 1: five sacks in a season? Yes, And they're kind of
Speaker 1: banking on that, right. Can Dante Foller returned to what
Speaker 1: he did three years ago and play in a position
Speaker 1: he's more comfortable in? Um It happens on every team
Speaker 1: year and the safety position. Donovan Wilson, does he stay healthy? Uh?
Speaker 1: Is Malik Hooker uh further removed from his achilles terror
Speaker 1: that he plays better because I thought he was just okay, um,
Speaker 1: and then at linebacker. So you'd like to see him
Speaker 1: draft a safety at some point maybe, no, no, sooner
Speaker 1: than the third round. Okay, it's third round, Nick Cross, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said that, I got that written on my thing, right,
Speaker 1: and that would that would be that would be fine.
Speaker 1: But that's a position of need, you know, and and
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned last year Hooker on a one
Speaker 1: year deal. Well technically it's I got corrected on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's a two year deal, but it's only one year
Speaker 1: of guarantees, so they can get out of it if
Speaker 1: they don't if he doesn't produce for like eight hundred
Speaker 1: thousand and dead money, so it's no big deal. But
Speaker 1: it's really a one year deal. Donovan Wilson's in his
Speaker 1: last year, right, then he's a free agent. And even
Speaker 1: though you sign jay Ron Curse, it's a two year
Speaker 1: deal Curse. The way they play Curse, it's more it's
Speaker 1: more of a linebacker and kind of linebacker. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: when you look at it, you name me a position,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a reason to draft it. Yeah, your quarterback,
Speaker 1: you can give a reason. Seventh round, they don't have
Speaker 1: one you could give. You could give a reason to draft,
Speaker 1: but you also look forward to what you have here,
Speaker 1: those players that you stop in the back to step up.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. If I'm one of those players,
Speaker 1: and I'm a friends player this offseason, after what happened
Speaker 1: last year, somebody's got to be thinking, well, maybe I
Speaker 1: should play beyond what I'm getting paid, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I should play beyond my reputation. Maybe I should work harder.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I can I can see well I
Speaker 1: can be better. I mean, I know I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one that thought like that when I played a
Speaker 1: million guys. I say, there's a log jam of those
Speaker 1: guys at defensive tackle, right, can and Osa Odiggy Zoa
Speaker 1: take The next is Tristan Hill? This is it, right,
Speaker 1: either he's a trade candidate do or get off the pot,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's going into his last year. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you move guys if if if
Speaker 1: you don't, if somebody takes them, yeah, right, I mean
Speaker 1: if you can get something for I'm not saying in
Speaker 1: his case, but that typically is the time that you
Speaker 1: would move a guy. If you've drafted a younger guy,
Speaker 1: that it's going to create a log jam there right,
Speaker 1: and and so and so, you know, cornerback, they don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on with Kelvin Joseph Right,
Speaker 1: you know, can you count on it because again, you know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown in his last year um so um, I
Speaker 1: don't know that mattered for that matter, digs as two
Speaker 1: years left. I mean, he's going to be a right
Speaker 1: humongous contract here very soon. So can na Sean Wright
Speaker 1: step up and say, oh, okay, I can be I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Those are the guys that I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the tackle Josh Ball fourth round
Speaker 1: draft pick last year. Right that when when we on
Speaker 1: the outside are making these declarations that they need a tackle,
Speaker 1: they need this, they need that. We don't know what
Speaker 1: the coaches, how the coaches feel about the progress of
Speaker 1: the guys that they drafted last year, because we haven't
Speaker 1: had an opportunity one has to progress. Yeah, right, so
Speaker 1: right there we remain staged. Okay, I'm only and there's
Speaker 1: another guy that that's down to his last shot too,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern. And you know I was told he put
Speaker 1: on fifteen twenty pounds and it was more strength, yeah
Speaker 1: than just eating, right, I hope though, so, but it's
Speaker 1: his last year. I mean, you're a third round pick,
Speaker 1: you either do it or We've seen got stop up
Speaker 1: on many teams, right, especially on the offensive line. You
Speaker 1: can see offensive lineman who third or fourth year in
Speaker 1: Josh Ball. Can Josh Ball be my swing tackle? Right?
Speaker 1: You know they were high on him when they got
Speaker 1: him in the shelves. Is not really that good of
Speaker 1: a tight end two years ago, and he'd improved And
Speaker 1: now look at them, right, you see. So you've got
Speaker 1: players who've got pride and they understand what the value
Speaker 1: is even though we don't see it. See, And that's
Speaker 1: what I pointed out Friday, And Mike Wilson was one
Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, they're entering this unknown territory because what
Speaker 1: we talked about you would like, but you don't know sure,
Speaker 1: right And and even you know at linebacker, the assumption
Speaker 1: as well, Jabril Cox, well, Jabill Cox is probably not
Speaker 1: going to be in the beginning of training gam you know,
Speaker 1: if you can get them for the start of the
Speaker 1: preseason maybe, but he's going to be rehabbing with Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop and when they go out here, when they start
Speaker 1: on field work, those two guys will be probably the
Speaker 1: only two guys because of injury not taking part. We
Speaker 1: don't know. Jabril Cox had nine defensive snaps last year, right,
Speaker 1: and he played one year at LSU, and he played
Speaker 1: three or four years in order to go to Stay
Speaker 1: before that, Right, So can you count on it? We
Speaker 1: don't know. They don't know. They can project and say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he looked like he could do this, this and this,
Speaker 1: but okay, now let's see it, and he's gonna get
Speaker 1: a late start, so you want that's not Devin Lloyd
Speaker 1: or Nakobe Dean. Uh, probably more Lloyd than Dean. Okay,
Speaker 1: I looked at his his history. Uh, Dean, he's had
Speaker 1: a lot of little injuries in phil He'll slide to
Speaker 1: the second round maybe, But then if you're giving up
Speaker 1: your second to go get Petty, ain't gonna be We're
Speaker 1: saying we don't want to do that. And as I
Speaker 1: look at it, I mean, let's look at the division
Speaker 1: we're in. Hopefully we can afford a slow start, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's a long season. Yeah, yeah, hopefully we can
Speaker 1: afford the slow start just because of the division. Maybe
Speaker 1: they'll just turn into a running team. That would be nice, right,
Speaker 1: that would be great. It's healthy. I remember DeMarco Murray
Speaker 1: how many times even him that year? Well, three hundred
Speaker 1: plus times to gain eighteen hundred years twenty fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we almost filled a whole half hour there.
Speaker 1: We kept going and we will keep going here. And
Speaker 1: how much pressures on this coaching staff to get this
Speaker 1: draft right? Jerry? We know Jerry Jones listens to the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Don't answer that question now, this is a
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Speaker 1: dot Com. A chuckle from Everson there, I just I
Speaker 1: think zero was there kind of caught up in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I was going to go, oh, and then I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to zero. Yeah, all right? Um, how much
Speaker 1: pressure is on this coaching staff heading into draft day
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and does that affect you know? Jerry
Speaker 1: has always been one that he listens to um the
Speaker 1: coaches and scouts. But the coaches have a lot of
Speaker 1: say and what the final decision is, or at least
Speaker 1: they he listens to them and takes them their advice
Speaker 1: to heart. As he makes this, I would imagine they've
Speaker 1: already had their say right and um, and they've gone
Speaker 1: through this, and I would imagine they have a game plan,
Speaker 1: so it's not like, oh okay, Joe, Phil can get
Speaker 1: in here. We're thinking about taking an offensive which one
Speaker 1: do you? They know? I think some of that goes
Speaker 1: on if they're if they're choosing between an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: and a wide receiver where but they've gone over that,
Speaker 1: they've gone over it, but they just they'll just re
Speaker 1: re go over it. Yeah. When we say Jerry, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Jerry still that guy that's you know,
Speaker 1: overriding no draft picks and things of that nature. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think to his credit, I think I think he
Speaker 1: gets a bad rap for that because I think through
Speaker 1: the years, and especially maybe more so recent years, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, he really uh takes the heart,
Speaker 1: you know what the what the scouts and the coaches
Speaker 1: say and and tries to make the prudent decision on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think he you know, he talked about it
Speaker 1: on Tuesday because he said, you know, everybody writes this
Speaker 1: and that, and the misconception is is, you know, when
Speaker 1: we make a decision, it'll be ten people have a
Speaker 1: say on it, and we think that right, that didn't
Speaker 1: come out of no well you know what, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, we can go back to the nineties
Speaker 1: and two thousand exactly then when that's the persona that
Speaker 1: he put out there, so all of a sudden to say, well,
Speaker 1: I think it started well, and I think it has
Speaker 1: to do with the personality of the head coach right too,
Speaker 1: and and the like for instance, parcels that he was
Speaker 1: he had. He wanted to be a part of the
Speaker 1: whole thing, right. Wade Phillips did not not soting. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like whatever they give me, that's fine. You know.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett he had a hand in it. He was
Speaker 1: big time, and it was in his It's in his blood,
Speaker 1: you know, his dad being a scout. And Jimmy and
Speaker 1: and I'll be going back to Jimmy um So and
Speaker 1: Barry Berry was he was fine. He was fine. He's
Speaker 1: a great evaluator or a talent, right say that man.
Speaker 1: And and Wade was kind of oh sure it was.
Speaker 1: Wade was kind of the same way. But I thought
Speaker 1: I thought Jerry, you know, he kind of talked about
Speaker 1: it and one of the things he pointed out and
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good quote. He said that
Speaker 1: if you give others credit, you can conquer the world.
Speaker 1: And he said he had this little quote on his desk.
Speaker 1: Uh and and and he sort of does. It's not like, okay,
Speaker 1: we got to do you know, the story about Mansell
Speaker 1: got exaggerated, right, Jerry had the card in his hand. Well, no,
Speaker 1: the cards in New York getting right. Uh So that
Speaker 1: whole thing. Um. And part of part of the job
Speaker 1: of the guy who's making the decision is paying the check, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is to present all scenarios too. Yes, right, And that's
Speaker 1: why at the last minute, while you're on the clock,
Speaker 1: you might have the position coaches there, you know, right,
Speaker 1: just and they do, they'll call the guy in before
Speaker 1: they make it. Okay, you can see here's where we're
Speaker 1: going that you think, and and give me some more
Speaker 1: information on him. Will They do a very good job
Speaker 1: of listening to Will McClay um and so, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think that that just we heard much from Will. Ah,
Speaker 1: he's done a couple of interviews, not many. We don't
Speaker 1: usually hear much from Will. Yeah in the house, and
Speaker 1: he would rather it that way. But he has, but
Speaker 1: he has, but he has a big say, I mean
Speaker 1: he has a big right, Yes, yes, and so and
Speaker 1: and even you know people, and Jerry reminded everybody that
Speaker 1: you know, Steven's been doing this for thirty three years.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, Steve learned something along the way.
Speaker 1: You know, all all that Stevens there's no football guys,
Speaker 1: Stevens print is on. Yeah, a lot of a lot.
Speaker 1: This is a lot of the decisions on the cap too.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't get any blame, right, I think he
Speaker 1: liked it like that. Yeah, he's fine with not getting
Speaker 1: credit because he don't get credit, you know. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is the overriding most important thing that needs to happen
Speaker 1: with the twenty fourth pick in the first round. It's
Speaker 1: like I said, it needs to be a walk in starter, okay,
Speaker 1: day one, and so it doesn't matter what position. It
Speaker 1: needs to be a walk in starter. Yes, I agree
Speaker 1: with that because, like you can, there's so many mock
Speaker 1: drafts saying Zion Johnson or Kenyan Green offensive guard. And
Speaker 1: but if there is a player that you've got ranked higher,
Speaker 1: substantially higher than either one of those guys who can
Speaker 1: come in and be a walk in starter for you.
Speaker 1: Get them. Get them because there are guards that you
Speaker 1: can get in the second, third, fourth round who can
Speaker 1: who can also actually come in and be a walk
Speaker 1: in starter for you, But you don't want to draft
Speaker 1: him in the first round. I take him in the
Speaker 1: best because I can get a story. You got the
Speaker 1: guy that come in at guard that could be in
Speaker 1: an immediate starter if and and and. If he's in
Speaker 1: the first round, you're like, ah, never mind, I gave you.
Speaker 1: But if he's in the second round, yeah, I'll take it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you the two I'll give
Speaker 1: you the two reasons why. Okay, Number one, you always
Speaker 1: follow the money, right, guards are probably eighth in line
Speaker 1: for how much they get paid around the league. And secondly,
Speaker 1: in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, in the first round,
Speaker 1: they've taken two guards two John Niland and Zach Martin
Speaker 1: in the first round turned up and they all turned
Speaker 1: out pretty good. What does that mean? My point is
Speaker 1: they haven't imagine if they would have taken more guards. Right,
Speaker 1: that's my point. They won five Super Bowls just kind
Speaker 1: of finding a guard. Right, go ask Nate Newton, right, see,
Speaker 1: I mean you found one. He was a USFL. Not
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them out there. It's not a
Speaker 1: bunch of Nate Newtons out there, right, Okay, So you
Speaker 1: can't just act like you can just find them anyway
Speaker 1: when you're looking at off hanging fruit. But when you're
Speaker 1: looking for offensive lineman, what's your priority tackle? What's the
Speaker 1: next priority center? Okay? The rest of you guys are guards. See,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I thought
Speaker 1: guards were respected. Well, I was putting it just got
Speaker 1: talking about the money situation. So now you're getting down
Speaker 1: off into the dB status. So if you're looking at
Speaker 1: the defensive back, they don't pay much for dB. All
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks, dude, the cornerbacks, dude. So if you got
Speaker 1: safety out there who's a stud, you don't want to
Speaker 1: draft him in the first round because he better be
Speaker 1: a real stud. Who's out there like that? Um? The
Speaker 1: safety from Notre Dame, Kyle Hamilton, Nick Cross is a
Speaker 1: real stud. Come in and start right, Come in and start, yes,
Speaker 1: come in Cross Crosses like second third. He's he's projected
Speaker 1: as a second round, second, second to third round and
Speaker 1: can still come in and start. In my opinion, he
Speaker 1: could challenge for it, in my opinion, and I think
Speaker 1: the second guy's got a challenge for a starting job.
Speaker 1: So if so, you wouldn't take the first round. Probably
Speaker 1: not unless it's the when you when you start talking
Speaker 1: about trends, I trans can kiss my button. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, don't get you a damn, but the guy's
Speaker 1: got to be really special to do that, right, true,
Speaker 1: And if you follow the money at safety, unfortunately it's
Speaker 1: not that high. The other thing they need is a kicker.
Speaker 1: No fifth wound, fifth round, that's as high as we go.
Speaker 1: So so kickers. So one of those kicker in the
Speaker 1: third round. I mean, you know, you know this guy's
Speaker 1: a stud. You know. Somebody asked me that had the
Speaker 1: Cowboys ever h drafted a kicker, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: Nick Folk beeler. And then I started going through all
Speaker 1: the drafts they've drafted over the years, like nine kickers.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys you never heard of the Coos,
Speaker 1: they never became anything Cowboys. But yeah, they've drafted kickers
Speaker 1: um back in the day, like in the in the sixties, seventies, seventies,
Speaker 1: and a couple of years they drafted him one after another,
Speaker 1: a couple of years were you know, Gil probably thought
Speaker 1: they were great athletes and they could come in and
Speaker 1: do something that Max maxin day Has, Do you remember him?
Speaker 1: I believe that was eighty six. That was the bounty
Speaker 1: on the That was the bounty on Days right, it
Speaker 1: was different, it was it was m Louis Louise Louise, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was my teammate. They were the Kickings
Speaker 1: and day Hasses, like the flying little Max and day
Speaker 1: Has was a fourth round pick. Yes, yes, holy was
Speaker 1: he the highest well in eighty six though there was
Speaker 1: still he was one hundredth pick in the draft. There
Speaker 1: was twelve picks, right, they hadn't they've gone twelve round
Speaker 1: twelve rounds. Yeah, well that's what I meant. Yeah, didn't
Speaker 1: come out the way four fourth round, one hundredth pick
Speaker 1: in the draft was magazine day Hoss kicker. Wow, No
Speaker 1: wonder we fell on hard times there in the late eighties.
Speaker 1: No talent in the draft obviously, you know, no talent
Speaker 1: in the draft. So I'm just wondering at eighty sixth
Speaker 1: draft was Mike Schirard in the first round, Darryl clack
Speaker 1: in the second, Mark Whylan third, Maxi Das and the
Speaker 1: fourth Thornton Chandler. Is he called me? He just called
Speaker 1: me this morning. Yes, he did. Garth Jacks in the
Speaker 1: eleventh round. Crazy turned into a great country western singer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Garth Jackson, mate, he made he made his
Speaker 1: Uh that's a joe. That's awful. That's why I was
Speaker 1: how didn't even want to get him credit for he
Speaker 1: made his name on the replacement team Garth Jacks, Yes,
Speaker 1: it did. I think he ended up going to the
Speaker 1: come on was later on this by the way, speaking
Speaker 1: of Garth Brooks, Uh, do you remember in the eighties
Speaker 1: his concert at Texas Stadium when he went flying through
Speaker 1: the I believe it was the nineties. It was in
Speaker 1: the nineties. It was in the nineties, early nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: early night. You remember that. Okay, were you there? I
Speaker 1: was there, Yes, the rafters give us some great I
Speaker 1: was hoping he was covering it. He's having a cancer.
Speaker 1: This is a tie end to a T and T
Speaker 1: s or is Maybe it's Globe I Field. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Maybe he won't be flying around this July thirtieth. July
Speaker 1: thirtieth concert. Okay, we interviewed him. Uh, some of the
Speaker 1: people at CBS eleven and reviewed him at leading up
Speaker 1: to that a week or so ago, previewing this concert
Speaker 1: and ticket sales and so forth, and so um. I
Speaker 1: mentioned to Doug Dunbar, our anchor, I said that I
Speaker 1: went to a concert Guarth Brooks. He was flying through
Speaker 1: the air. It Texas Stadium whatever. And then Doug Dunbar says, well,
Speaker 1: Karen Border and I we did a live broadcast from
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium when they blew up the place. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was there for that too, yeah, and that I said,
Speaker 1: what TI, I don't know it was Texas Stadium was
Speaker 1: the tie. I've been at Texas Stadium when they won
Speaker 1: an NFC title. So then I re upped him. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, I used to ride my
Speaker 1: bike down to Texas Stadium when it was under construction.
Speaker 1: So there I win. So anyway, all right, this is
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Speaker 1: twenty ten, Dallas has selected sixteen players that have gone
Speaker 1: on to make at least one Pro Bowl, the most
Speaker 1: in the NFL over that span, second Kansas City in
Speaker 1: Minnesota with fifteen. How about that since win so that
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Speaker 1: pick spanning the previous nineteen drafts since twenty two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, have been selected to eighty four Pro Bowls,
Speaker 1: twenty eight different players, and that is twelve more than
Speaker 1: any other team over that span. Kansas City second at
Speaker 1: seventy two. You know, as we get more into you know,
Speaker 1: present times, I wouldn't that might be based on popularity
Speaker 1: more than but not not the pro not the all
Speaker 1: pro thing. Yes, most all pro draft picks since twenty
Speaker 1: ten Dallas nine, San Francisco seven, Kansas City, Minnesota, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Rams and Ravens six. And the other thing that happens
Speaker 1: on the Pro Bowl more recently is the opt outs
Speaker 1: of the Pro Bowl. And so there are more people
Speaker 1: making the Pro Bowl right than in years. But that
Speaker 1: that applies for all the other teams too, That's right, right,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. That's something to be thought of,
Speaker 1: all right. That doesn't count like finding Tony Romo, although
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever got to he probably
Speaker 1: went to a Pro Bowl. Yes, yeah, well, he was
Speaker 1: always in line behind was draft police. Yeah. Four Pro
Speaker 1: Bowls per tony okay, yep um. Ever, since you want
Speaker 1: to do what you want to do, Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: got this uh from Yahoo. They had Remembering News and
Speaker 1: radio executive Jerry Lopes. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: ever had heard of the Sheridan family s H E
Speaker 1: R I d A N. Black family that started their
Speaker 1: own radio network, a Sheridan Broadcast, No, I s b N.
Speaker 1: That's amazing to me because they gave me my first shot,
Speaker 1: you know, I had and this stuff. No, not this crap,
Speaker 1: my real job. No. They actually they had the Sheridan
Speaker 1: Broadcasting All American Bowl Game, which gave you know, black
Speaker 1: college players like myself who didn't get drafted. We weren't
Speaker 1: even highly thought of, so we were able to have
Speaker 1: our own All Star game, All American Game in Jackson, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. It was freezing out there in January or something,
Speaker 1: and I recalled there were fifteen hundred people in the stands,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred people in Jackson Stadium, Jackson Memorial Stadium,
Speaker 1: Mississippi Memorial status. And so went from there. They had
Speaker 1: all kinds of all American teams. They had guys like
Speaker 1: Doug Williams and James Shaq Harris who were tolding the
Speaker 1: you know, the torch for to make sure that people
Speaker 1: understood how important they were for HBCU players. So this
Speaker 1: man has died at the age of seventy two of
Speaker 1: natural causes, but he was extremely instrumental in my development
Speaker 1: as a person as well. Um, we had one event
Speaker 1: where the remember the Potomac, the planes crashed into the
Speaker 1: Potomac at that time. Well, it held up of course,
Speaker 1: it was tragedy, of course, but it also held up
Speaker 1: traffic to where airline traffic to where the MC for
Speaker 1: the event couldn't make it. So here I am just
Speaker 1: after the San Francisco game, you know, the catch game,
Speaker 1: and I had to go there and fill in as
Speaker 1: an MC because the other guys couldn't make it because
Speaker 1: the crash caused. And I met a guy there name
Speaker 1: Armstrong Williams. I don't know if you guys ever heard
Speaker 1: of him. He's like a right wing black guy who
Speaker 1: is still to this day is is extremely popular on
Speaker 1: the right side. Uh, And I just it was just
Speaker 1: a y. It was a great development for me. Because
Speaker 1: I had to be the MC and Armstrong Williams. I
Speaker 1: had never done that crap before twenty four years old
Speaker 1: BNMC for this inventiment. I don't even know these people.
Speaker 1: It gets invited me and so I'm strong. Williams wrote out, uh,
Speaker 1: just some notes for me, a scripts, a little script
Speaker 1: because he could see me sitting up sweating bullets. So
Speaker 1: he helped me out. Jerry Lops also helped me out.
Speaker 1: And I did a great job. I came up and
Speaker 1: first thing they said, it was a tell a joke,
Speaker 1: so well out there, and I told a joke and
Speaker 1: it went well and from then on, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: flying on through. So it was just a good a
Speaker 1: good development for me as a person. Of course, they
Speaker 1: helped me out in my career, uh in my college career,
Speaker 1: and they helped out many other HBCU players to get
Speaker 1: that Sheridan Broadcasting All American game. Now it has morphed
Speaker 1: into the HBCU a Black College Hall of Fame game
Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame awards as well. So what we
Speaker 1: have is uh them starting something with the American Urban
Speaker 1: Radio Network. Once they started that, we kind of morphed
Speaker 1: into what we have now to where we're still noticing
Speaker 1: and you know players that you know from HBCUs that
Speaker 1: don't necessarily get the coverage that the PW eyes get.
Speaker 1: So now I just had to mention that Jerry Lows
Speaker 1: is a good guy at seventy two years old, that
Speaker 1: the natural causes, great guy, fought for a lot of
Speaker 1: black journalists out there, going all the way up to
Speaker 1: the White House. We just did a great job. He
Speaker 1: did a great job, and he influenced so many people.
Speaker 1: So just sad to see him go and just had
Speaker 1: to remember all the things that Sheridan family did for us,
Speaker 1: and also Jerry Lows, he did a great job. He
Speaker 1: did a great job for a lot of people. All right,
Speaker 1: the American Urban Radio Network, you are in the nation's
Speaker 1: only African American owned and controlled radio network for many years.
Speaker 1: It's right Sheridan Sheridan Broadcasting. So thanks to Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it last Friday. He mentioned a
Speaker 1: guy and I went back and looked at his highlight
Speaker 1: films and I'm all in on Christian Watson. There you go,
Speaker 1: Christian Watson. Remember we talked about him that he was
Speaker 1: six to four and run four what was it? A
Speaker 1: four three six, right, someone listened to me, Well, how
Speaker 1: could you not listen to that? I went I went
Speaker 1: back and looked at that, and it left my jaw dropping.
Speaker 1: How he was running by people, not people that people
Speaker 1: that had an angle on him. He was running by
Speaker 1: people that were side by side, and he just split
Speaker 1: them and went right down the middle past them all
Speaker 1: and they were losing ground as he was getting closer
Speaker 1: to the goal line. Okay, so where do you want
Speaker 1: to draft him? I'd like to use my second round
Speaker 1: on him. But you know what, I just saw a
Speaker 1: mock draft that had him in the first that's right.
Speaker 1: So would you take him at twenty four? Yes? I
Speaker 1: would totally would. Hallelujah, he's my guy all along. Oh man, finally, finally,
Speaker 1: and I don't care that he was playing FCS or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, right right, FCS North Dakota State. I
Speaker 1: go back, I go back to two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy reminds me of Jordy Nelson. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I go back to two thousand and eight and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had two first round draft picks, had a great
Speaker 1: need for a cornerback in or running back. Took Mike
Speaker 1: Jenkins took Felix Jones, Jordy Nelson went early second round
Speaker 1: of the Green Bay Packers. And what happened that year? Okay,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in two thousand and eight, they get to
Speaker 1: mid season and they were they needed a wide receiver
Speaker 1: so badly that they traded at midseason for Roy Williams,
Speaker 1: giving up the two thousand and nine first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: And how awful was the two thousand nine draft, as
Speaker 1: it turned out, for the Cowboys drafted eleven guys and
Speaker 1: only one of them they could turn out to anything,
Speaker 1: be anything, John Phillips, a tight end river in the
Speaker 1: fifth round or whatever. All right, but the point being, Okay,
Speaker 1: in April, we didn't think we really needed a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and then six months later, lo and behold, we needed
Speaker 1: a wide receiver so badly that we gave up a
Speaker 1: first round pick the next year to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: and obviously the team needs a wide receiver right now.
Speaker 1: But it's a great illustration, I think. And by the way,
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, had the Cowboys had that
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, you know who they could have
Speaker 1: drafted for Boyd Phillips defense Clay Matthews. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say not James Williams. H Clay Matthews, who with
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips history in Houston, he would have been he
Speaker 1: would have that would have been one pick he would
Speaker 1: have been pounded the table for. And of course who
Speaker 1: got Clay Matthews. It was the Packers. Packers were playing
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl what the next year. And this
Speaker 1: guy can return kicks too, by the way, even though
Speaker 1: he's six, and so could Jordy Nelson. Yeah, so Clay Matthews,
Speaker 1: that's my guy. Yeah, right, so you're on board. That's
Speaker 1: a good deal because once again, I love these little,
Speaker 1: fast guys, but we have to get six four. We
Speaker 1: need more physical wide receiver and that's what it's getting to.
Speaker 1: You've got the Tiwick Hills, of course, and we've still got,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the smaller receivers. But when you
Speaker 1: start talking about a big receiver that can make an
Speaker 1: impact getting off the line of scrambles, he will. He
Speaker 1: won't always be open, but he will always have a
Speaker 1: chance to catch the ball. That's Drake London too, the
Speaker 1: USC guy. Because if you throw it up yeah I
Speaker 1: saw that too. Yeah, if you throw it up, he
Speaker 1: might be might be open. Right, That's my point. The
Speaker 1: other the other thing I noticed has taken place right
Speaker 1: now is everybody's picking up there uh or not everybody
Speaker 1: not I think maybe ten so far picking up their
Speaker 1: fifth year option on the first round picks from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: And I was going, oh, what did Oh they didn't
Speaker 1: have a draft choice in twenty nineteen because they gave
Speaker 1: it up for Maury Cooper. Well, they didn't get five
Speaker 1: years out of that first round pick. They got three
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, at a high cost. Right, and
Speaker 1: and so you your deal with first round picks. You
Speaker 1: want to get five years. Uh and and they didn't
Speaker 1: get it because they had to. They gave up the pick.
Speaker 1: And what was minute mid season twenty eighteen? Right, Um,
Speaker 1: still was a good sign for us? No, no, it was.
Speaker 1: But you would you would like that time? Right? No? No,
Speaker 1: it did. It saved the season. But if you would
Speaker 1: have drafted Juju Smith Schuster had that year, then in
Speaker 1: twenty seventy you might not have had Yeah, you might not,
Speaker 1: you might not. Yeah. So anyway, I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: out Christian well the well, the good thing about this
Speaker 1: draft is it's obvious the team has needs across the board,
Speaker 1: and so there are no disguised needs on this team
Speaker 1: right now. You know, we don't have that luxury at
Speaker 1: this point, and that's because there had it's been it's
Speaker 1: been different the this off season as far as the
Speaker 1: free agent signings, the lack of free agent signings the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have made. Now, that doesn't mean, as Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: has been quick to point out in every press briefing
Speaker 1: he's had, that free agency isn't over and so it's
Speaker 1: the way it's played out in free agency. I'll just
Speaker 1: take the offensive line. There are ten offensive guards and
Speaker 1: ten offensive tackles who haven't found jobs, who are veteran
Speaker 1: free agents out there right now. Who started. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not they started not The second team is span
Speaker 1: see where you hit. Give you some names because I
Speaker 1: did write five of them down, okay, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if they were listed in this list in order.
Speaker 1: H Eric Flowers, former first round draft picker and he
Speaker 1: flamed out, Trey Hopkins trades, uh Laurence Druvenay Tardiff, and
Speaker 1: Quintin Spain who started for the Cincinnati Bengals and they
Speaker 1: didn't want them back. You know, the super Bow because
Speaker 1: you say it in their kind of cheeky manner. That
Speaker 1: started started. I wouldn't know if they're ever not ever
Speaker 1: started for the Cincinnati Bengay. You know how bad the Benga. Well,
Speaker 1: their offensive line. They made it to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: by some damn miracle with that offensive line. If you
Speaker 1: had those that offensive line and you went to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, you'd be fine, right, that's you should be.
Speaker 1: And they and they were restructuring the whole dude, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. They're probably taken. They are they listed to
Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman, all right, they are ill. I
Speaker 1: bet they'll take a guard too. Oh they have to.
Speaker 1: Could Quin Spain was their start. They would take a
Speaker 1: guard in the first round. But there are you're right there.
Speaker 1: You can bring in a veteran guy and you probably
Speaker 1: can get them for one year and whatever. I go
Speaker 1: to Daryl Williams is one started for Buffalo last year.
Speaker 1: Seventeen starts out of Lake Dallas. There's one for you
Speaker 1: right there that you didn't mention. I guess he because
Speaker 1: he was looking at pessimism. Oh, he probably was down
Speaker 1: farther on the list. They called it up and you
Speaker 1: got JC Treader, who as a history with this coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Who's heard I read capped casualty in Cleveland. They had
Speaker 1: an injury issue. Yes, he does sixteen games last year,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't practice hardly all season because of
Speaker 1: his injury. About you want Zack Martin's brother guard, He's available,
Speaker 1: Nick Martin? Is he really? Yep? No? Is he really? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought he played it here. He was the second
Speaker 1: round draft pick of the Texans in twenty sixteen. Oh
Speaker 1: didn't I know that? Ye started started sixty two games
Speaker 1: there see. And that goes to my premise on the guard.
Speaker 1: The guard. The guard's got to be able to play tackle,
Speaker 1: and if you draft a center, he has to play guard?
Speaker 1: How to do both? So I need some and and
Speaker 1: and actually Mike pointed it out about position flex. It's
Speaker 1: very important. He was talking about defensive lineman, like can
Speaker 1: you play the three technique or the one technique at
Speaker 1: defensive tackle? You want guys to do both. And he's
Speaker 1: always talked about position flex. So I think that's important
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Okay, uh, final minute here, our
Speaker 1: pick to click Kristen Watson Penny. So yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So at twenty four, let's say the Cowboys stay at
Speaker 1: twenty four. Who are you hoping the Cowboys pick at
Speaker 1: twenty four? Who is your pick to click? I'm taking
Speaker 1: Christian Watson. I'm taking that's my guy, my guy up
Speaker 1: with somebody else. It wasn't until the last few minutes
Speaker 1: you decided he was at first, the last few minutes.
Speaker 1: It was the next day when I looked him up
Speaker 1: and watched, I can't take my guy. Who's your guy, Christian?
Speaker 1: Watch who you don't know who's available? Um, I'll take
Speaker 1: I'll take a Larvae Who is he wide receiver of house? Nice? Nice?
Speaker 1: And he can It looked like he can play all
Speaker 1: three positions. And if he's gone, well he didn't ask
Speaker 1: me that. Yeah, man, come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Let me look at my not going to say a
Speaker 1: guard there's no no, no no. If if it's a guard's,
Speaker 1: it's got to be Zion. I like. I like Kenyan Green,
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green. I've read things about his knees. Knee, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's something we'll get him in the second round.
Speaker 1: And well maybe, but you you, I think the concern
Speaker 1: is you're not gonna get five years. You might not
Speaker 1: get five years out of him. How many years you
Speaker 1: get out of round Leary Blatin literally wasn't drafted right
Speaker 1: and but he was your starting guard. But he ended up.
Speaker 1: But in the end his knee did give out. Not here,
Speaker 1: not here, fine here on the way. So in the end,
Speaker 1: his knee gave out. Everyone goes out. Remember Larry was
Speaker 1: projected as a first round draft. Yes, he was well,
Speaker 1: and he fell right out of the draft, and he
Speaker 1: fell right into the starting line up for the greatest,
Speaker 1: the greatest offensive line ever assembled in twenty sixty. We
Speaker 1: don't care if his knee gives out in Denver. But
Speaker 1: he wasn't a first round pick. You can't, as it
Speaker 1: turns out, you can't. But as it turns out, if
Speaker 1: you went back and redrafted and looked at their careers,
Speaker 1: you was Ronald Learry. That's a good pick in twenty
Speaker 1: four the first round. Yeah, we only need four or
Speaker 1: five years out of it. If you were going to
Speaker 1: take that chance, yeah right, yeah, And so yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going for the small school guys man. Guy, dude, he's
Speaker 1: my guy, Zion Johnson. I wouldn't because I penny he'll
Speaker 1: be gone. You got a trade up for him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson, he can play center or guard and maybe
Speaker 1: tackle who knows. Okay, so that would be if if
Speaker 1: they were at that spot the wide receivers were we're
Speaker 1: wiped out. Defensive ends of any note were wiped out.
Speaker 1: I'm on the record. I'll trust to kidd in Green. Okay,
Speaker 1: yea if I'm going guard, but Christian Watson otherwise, all right,
Speaker 1: that does it? What we're done already, We're not done.
Speaker 1: The day is just beginning. It has that's right, yeah, Okay,
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