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Speaker 1: the first fully inclusive fashion brand that celebrates all dimensions

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Speaker 1: just happy to be sitting with a fellow brit in

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Speaker 1: La and just so grateful, Emma, because I've been watching you,

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Speaker 1: I've been following you. Your energy, whether it's a picture

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Speaker 1: now I meet you in person. I'm like, it's amazing,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I could not be more happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: This is like the thing that I've been most excited

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're the sweetest and I want you to know literally,

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Speaker 3: You were really raised to, you know.

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Speaker 2: But it was pretty devoid of any aspiration and certainly

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Speaker 2: And I just fell into this like fashion magazine land,

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Speaker 2: And it was that great moment sort of late eighties

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Speaker 2: And I saw that as a means of escapism. I

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Speaker 2: And so when I think about my childhood, I think

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Speaker 3: And then this other part that was like get me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And how do where do you think that comes from?

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Speaker 1: I think some people are like, you know, we've become

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Speaker 1: where did that come for you personally? Like? Was it

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that it must have come from

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Speaker 2: there was no vocation, there was no like purposeful doing

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Speaker 2: And for me, I really thought that, you know, there

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Speaker 2: the sense of ambition has always been at me and

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Speaker 2: people always say to me, you know, like how did

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Speaker 2: it's much more simple than people think, you know. It's

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Speaker 2: like I've really value myself and I've really value my goals,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think it's much more complicated than that.

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Speaker 2: But I was taught that by my mum, who was

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Speaker 2: very very much like, listen, Emma, You're not better than

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Speaker 2: so when people talk about imposter syndrome, like I look around,

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Speaker 3: I still feel like that today.

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Speaker 2: I don't expect things to be easy, but I've never

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what a great way for your mom to set

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Speaker 1: to hear that because I love that perspective of no

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Speaker 1: Like that's such a great equalizer.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the two things are really important, right because

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Speaker 2: I grew up with such a respect for everybody else

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Speaker 3: It was like it was a means to dream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I love that, and tell me about you

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Speaker 1: touched on it there. But I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: your first job. And I like doing this with people

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Speaker 2: Now right, because we have this idea through like social media,

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Speaker 2: like I've been grafted in a way since I was

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Speaker 2: have worked every job imaginable. I had a paper round

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Speaker 2: when I was twelve. Until I was fifteen, I worked

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Speaker 3: Right, It's like I've done all of it.

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Speaker 2: But actually for me, you know, when you talk about

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Speaker 2: listening to that us absolutely know that. And so there

437
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Speaker 2: is always that you open your mouth and immediately you're judging.

438
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Speaker 2: You know exactly where I'm from, and you can attribute

439
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Speaker 2: a set of circumstances to that. But I think it

440
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Speaker 2: was much more about the voice in my own head.

441
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Speaker 2: And I think about that an awful lot now in

442
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Speaker 2: the way that I've set up my life and my businesses.

443
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Speaker 2: And you know, I believe very much in this idea,

444
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Speaker 2: like this rule of thirds, right, I think about it constantly.

445
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Speaker 2: You know, when you are doing something very difficult, or

446
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Speaker 2: you are chasing a dream, you're going to be happy

447
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Speaker 2: about a third at the time. You're going to feel

448
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Speaker 2: okay about a third of the time, and the other

449
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Speaker 2: third at the time you're going to feel pretty crappy,

450
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Speaker 2: you are going to feel bad. And if the ratios

451
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Speaker 2: get out of whack and things are not actually you're

452
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Speaker 2: too happy, you're probably not pushing yourself hard in it enough.

453
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Speaker 2: And if you know you're actually spending too much time,

454
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Speaker 2: you're probably not you know, you're not thinking about it right.

455
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Speaker 2: But I do think that that leaning that I've had

456
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Speaker 2: my whole life, like the idea that I shouldn't and

457
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Speaker 2: be comfortable and happy all of the time, actually really

458
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: helps me so much. And I think about that idea

459
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Speaker 2: of the third and the third and the third, and

460
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Speaker 2: it doesn't scare me anymore. I'm like, oh, I'm just

461
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Speaker 2: having one of the days that is my crappy date.

462
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Speaker 2: That's okay because what I'm doing isn't straightforward, it isn't

463
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Speaker 2: what everybody's doing, and it's supposed to be difficult. It's

464
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Speaker 2: supposed to be heavy, it's supposed to not be comfortable

465
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Speaker 2: all the time. And I think that that for me

466
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Speaker 2: has been a way that I can actually get through

467
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Speaker 2: those times that are a bit more tricky.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love that. I've never heard someone say

502
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Speaker 1: it like that, but really, yeah, that's such a unique

503
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Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. She said. The third's are okay, yeah,

504
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Speaker 1: happy and then terrible.

505
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Speaker 3: And then terrible.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so spot on, and I've never heard someone

507
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Speaker 1: break it down like that simply. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I am a very simple girl. You know that

509
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: I have to break it down like that for myself.

510
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Speaker 2: But you know, it's really helpful because I think in

511
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Speaker 2: any part of your life, like there is especially now

512
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Speaker 2: because I work with so many people, there is this idea.

513
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Speaker 2: And also you know, I'm a mom of four, right,

514
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Speaker 2: so there is this part of me it's like, I

515
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: just want my kids to be all right and to

516
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Speaker 2: be happy all the time. And I'm like, actually, no,

517
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: because it's in those moments and you know this more

518
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: than anyone of challenge of difficulty, that's when you grow

519
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: the most. But we shouldn't rather than like trying to

520
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Speaker 2: remove that from my children or take those times away

521
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Speaker 2: from my employees, or think that's not okay, it's like no, no, no, guys,

522
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Speaker 2: Like that's what it's about.

523
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Speaker 3: And if you're.

524
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Speaker 2: Coasting through life and doing something like really simplistic, fine,

525
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Speaker 2: you might just feel all right all the time. But

526
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Speaker 2: I am so happy when the good is good that

527
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Speaker 2: I'll take the okay and the bad. You know it's

528
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Speaker 2: worth it because it actually all comes out even in

529
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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, when you were chasing the dreams back in

531
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Speaker 1: the day, or like trying to build it up, were

532
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Speaker 1: you dating, did you care about that. Was that like

533
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: because a beautiful family. Yeah, now you have a beautiful family,

534
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: you have a wonderful partner, you have four kids, as

535
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Speaker 1: you said. But I wondered then, like I feel like

536
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Speaker 1: a lot of us spend a lot of our teams

537
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Speaker 1: and our twenties thinking about love totally? Was that how

538
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Speaker 1: you were too or one hundred percent? I don't think

539
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Speaker 1: I've ever been without a boyfriend. I'm a person that

540
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: needs someone, and you know, I went around a little

541
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Speaker 1: bit and I was very happy to settle down at

542
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Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty six. I don't feel like I missed out,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, because we started so early. I feel like,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, I was like out in the clubs when

545
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Speaker 1: I was thirteen fourteen, and then I had this stint

546
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Speaker 1: in Abizza when I was asked to leave school. So

547
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Speaker 1: it's like I've had a lot of living before I

548
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Speaker 1: got there.

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Speaker 2: And I think that I've always been someone that has

550
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Speaker 2: chased love, Like I love that feeling, but as you

551
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: get older, you realize you know what that really means.

552
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Speaker 2: Like today, it's like I want to be loved back,

553
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: but it's not all about that rush, you know. It's

554
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Speaker 2: like I've been with my husband now for fifteen years,

555
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Speaker 2: married for eleven, and the things that I value have

556
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Speaker 2: completely shifted.

557
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Speaker 1: Right.

558
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Speaker 2: It's like and we've been on a journey together. And

559
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Speaker 2: I think that in life you need chapters and just

560
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: as the same, you know, like in carea and you

561
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: need you know, needing transitions and to transform. Relationships need

562
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: chapters like that too. The first five years, we traveled

563
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Speaker 2: the world, we parted, we got drunk, we did all

564
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Speaker 2: the things that you do, and then we went through

565
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Speaker 2: a period of having children and that's extremely challenging on

566
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Speaker 2: any relationship, especially while the two of you are enormously ambitious.

567
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Speaker 2: And I think that what I have with my husband

568
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: is this extremely unique partnership where he always understood that

569
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Speaker 2: I was ambitious and I needed to do things and

570
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Speaker 2: he's completely supported that. And I think that the love

571
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: that I have for him has grown exponentially because we've

572
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: been still I've still been able to chase all of

573
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Speaker 2: my dreams outside of the relationship and the family structure

574
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Speaker 2: while having someone really support me do that.

575
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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, we won't, we won't go down the stint.

576
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Speaker 3: And no, it's really fun a calling part.

577
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Speaker 2: No, I just feel like, you know, it's like you

578
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Speaker 2: have there's a part of my life life where I

579
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: think there was a need to escape, you know, and

580
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: I found that I was a real club kid. That's

581
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: what I enjoyed. I wanted to go out. For me,

582
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: it was actually never about getting smashed, but it was

583
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: like the music and those super late nights and the

584
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: like that whole community of it. Like I was friends

585
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: with the DJs and the MC's and you know, like

586
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: I was on the list and like I did that

587
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: whole thing. I think that was a huge formative part

588
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: of my childhood, Like I would not or not my

589
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: childhood my kind of late teens early twenties, like I

590
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: needed to go and get like remove myself from from

591
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: what my kind of everyday life and my upbringing was.

592
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: And it kind of introduced me to a lot of

593
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: alternative things and people and ways of being. And you know,

594
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: it's like you go to IBF, you you learned yoga

595
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: for the first time. I was like, well, what's this.

596
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: Nobody I knew in plast I was doing yoga.

597
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Speaker 1: I didn't.

598
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: Nor for the island, but.

599
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Speaker 2: You know, it was like there's just there's things that

600
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Speaker 2: I think that part of my life really opened me

601
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Speaker 2: up to and I felt like in some ways, even

602
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: though I saw a lot as a kid and I

603
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: was experienced to some pretty kind of gruesome things, there

604
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: was a whole part of life and sort of a

605
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Speaker 2: way of living and a kind of level of peace

606
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: and understanding of people that was not ever explained to

607
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Speaker 2: me and was not part of my childhood and my upbringing.

608
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Speaker 3: And I learned that much later.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you for sharing that. It's so yeah,

610
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Speaker 1: it's so interesting. Again, we often feel like the next

611
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: chapter will be better, and you've just broke it down

612
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: and said, well, no, actually there's going to be every chapter,

613
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: and every chapter has its reason and has its story.

614
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Speaker 1: And you just said I loved that. I lived life

615
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: that way, and then when I met my partner, I

616
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: knew it, knew it was going to work. And even

617
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Speaker 1: that's had so many chapters inside of it. Absolutely, what

618
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Speaker 1: would you How would your mum describe what she saw

619
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Speaker 1: as a little girl to who she sees now.

620
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Speaker 2: I think she'd say saying, so, I was always a

621
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: pain for everyone around me, you know.

622
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: I literally I was that kid.

623
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Speaker 2: I actually didn't you know, I didn't have many for

624
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't that the popular kid. You know, my sisters

625
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: were all massive athletes, hugely popular. I was a bit

626
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: more of a loner. I had like, you know, two

627
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: or three really solid friends. Sounds exactly like today, actually,

628
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: but you know it was like I was that kid.

629
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Speaker 2: I was like in my own head, I've always been

630
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Speaker 2: a dreamer. But you know, my mom would always say,

631
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: she was like, you're a dreamer, but you're a doer.

632
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: And I always had those two things. I don't think

633
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: I've changed that much.

634
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Speaker 1: You know.

635
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: I think about myself and I've been absolutely the same

636
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: since I was seven years old.

637
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Speaker 3: This is how I've always felt. That's how I've always been.

638
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Speaker 1: That's epic, that's so cool. I wonder how you see

639
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: that with now being a mom too, Like now when

640
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: you're looking at your kids.

641
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: Know what, it's wild because I think, like so many moms,

642
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: especially mothers that work in the same way that I do, Right,

643
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: you're kind of played by this idea of what you're

644
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: supposed to be and do as a mother. And because

645
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: I grew up with a mum that left the house

646
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Speaker 2: every day, that went to work, I have maybe a

647
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: different idea of what I'm supposed to be providing for

648
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: those kids. I think it's really important that my children

649
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: see me living out my dreams and hopefully they'll do

650
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: the same for themselves. But you know, everybody, the question

651
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: always kind of boils down to, like how do you

652
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Speaker 2: do it all? And I really think it's important to

653
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: dispel that myth of doing it all because women have

654
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: been really sold a crop of crap, like it's like

655
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: you can't have it all all the time, and my

656
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: life is a series of trade offs, right, that's just

657
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: a fact. I'm not the mom who is at the schoolgate.

658
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm not there for pick up and drop off, I'm

659
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: not at the school gala. Hopefully my kids get something

660
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: else from me, which is a sense of actually living

661
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: out your dreams and what you're supposed to do. And

662
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: I think that they see that and really appreciate having

663
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: that for me. But I think it's very important that

664
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: we stop talking about this idea of like balance, because

665
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: there is no balance in my life. Like it's it's rubbish,

666
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: you know. It's like I have to go wherever the

667
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: energy is that morning, and my children have to fit

668
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: around that. Nothing's changed, Like I said, I'm still the same,

669
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: the same person, and for children, yes, it changes the

670
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: the kind of you know, routine of your day, but

671
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't change who you are fundamentally. And I am

672
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: one of those person people that think, you know, my

673
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: children have to fit around me, and that's just a fact.

674
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it is what it is.

675
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'll say as a kid who grew up

676
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: with a mom who is working that hard and like

677
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: had her. So my mom trained to be a financial

678
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: advisor so that she could be self employed, as we

679
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: called it, and she was an entrepreneur. But the language

680
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: can manage your own time, own time, so she could

681
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: be there for us. So my mom would make us breakfast,

682
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: us to school, pack lines amazing, and then she'd go

683
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: to work superwoman, pick us up, feed us, and then

684
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: go back out to work. And sometimes I join her.

685
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: I'd go out with her in the car and sit

686
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: with my son's in my office clients, and.

687
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: I should I should have.

688
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: And it's just I saw my mom be so active.

689
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: My mom was never she wasn't around they just hanging

690
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: around the house. She wasn't available in that way. Again,

691
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying

692
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: my mom wasn't. And as someone who grew up with

693
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: the mom like that, Like, not only do I love

694
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: and respect my mom insanely insane, I also just saw

695
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: that you could still feel loved without having loads of time.

696
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: It's about quality, right, I always think about that My

697
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: kids need me, like in a one hundred percent capacity,

698
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: like not half looking at my phone, not half doing work,

699
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: not surrounded by lots of people in the house. And

700
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: I really try to think about them as individuals because

701
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: I have a boy and a girl and then boy

702
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: girl twins, and I like to do things with my

703
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: kids individually so that I can really understand who they

704
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: are and what their needs are, not like this sort

705
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: of like family pack, you know, because a very big,

706
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: qutous one comes that I'm.

707
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: Like, ah, like all of you in the car.

708
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: But I think that, you know, again, when you grow

709
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: up in a big family, you have ideas and experiences

710
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: of how it wasn't so great and what you'd want

711
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: to do differently, and so I try to apply that.

712
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: But I think for most women it's really it's really

713
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: important to just level, like lower the expectations a little

714
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: bit and be honest with ourselves about what we're capable of,

715
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: because it's really something that I think there's so much

716
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: being thrown at women all the time about what you

717
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: should do and how you should advocate for yourself, and

718
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: you know, and it quite frankly, is just too much.

719
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: It is not feasible. It is not something that we

720
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: can all cope with. And I think that you do

721
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: what you do to get through the day, and we

722
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: should all just like lower the expectation levels a little bit.

723
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: That isn't to say lower your ambition level, but that's

724
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: just to say, don't feel.

725
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: Bad about what you're doing. At the end of it.

726
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: It's like, we all do as much as we can

727
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: and our kids will all be all right. They don't

728
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: need us to usher them through every experience in the day.

729
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: And they'll be who they are.

730
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: They'll be who they are.

731
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: How did you make peace with that? Because I feel

732
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: like I love that perspective and I'm sure it's going

733
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: to help so many people, but I think people struggle

734
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: with this. We love being the controller, we love making

735
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: sure everything's right. We also so hard on ourselves, as

736
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: you were just saying, because people were hard on us,

737
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: and now we think we need to be super mom

738
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: and maybe our mom did it, or maybe our Auntie

739
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: did it whatever. I think there's a lot of people

740
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: who are just like I get that, but I don't

741
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: know how to make peace with that one hundred percent.

742
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great question. And I always think

743
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: about I'm somebody that's absolutely like fixated and fascinated by memories. Right,

744
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: I always like go back and I think about, like

745
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: the big important things in my life, What did I

746
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: really enjoy from last year? What were the moments that

747
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: like hear in my memory? And when you do that,

748
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: it very rarely has anything to do with any level

749
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: of perfection. The best moments are the sporadic moments that

750
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: were unplanned. When you're sitting there, the kids are a mess,

751
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: you're in the garden, something happened that just made it so.

752
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: And it's never the moments that you kind of forced.

753
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: It's never the things that you planned. It's never the

754
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: ones that you spent like all your energy on. And

755
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: so I think that it just becomes about like this

756
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: great like you've got to weigh it up, right, You've

757
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: got a wigh up like what is worth it? And

758
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: what where do you derive enjoyment from? And I think

759
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: anyone who looks at their life will actually find that

760
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: it's in the small stuff. It's in those moments that

761
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: you just let it all go. And so I think

762
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: it's really it's such a good exercise, especially for women

763
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: and moms, to just kind of backtrack and say, in

764
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: the last twelve months, what were the single best moments

765
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: that you had, and then you will absolutely not about

766
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: whatever it is that is weighing you down today because

767
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: it's never what you think.

768
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: Ever, it never has been for me.

769
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't judge the moment right like we can.

770
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: We're so quick to be like, oh, I just I

771
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: said the wrong thing totally, and all of a sudden

772
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: I said the wrong thing becomes I messed up today.

773
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be here. I don't belong, I'm not supposed

774
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: to be part of it. And it's so interesting. I remember,

775
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: like there's this brilliant story about when Oprah was going

776
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: through this like crazy, crazy time in her life and

777
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: she turns up at Quincy Jones's house for dinner and

778
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: she said to him, oh my god, like, it's so terrible,

779
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: it's so awful of you've seen the press and and

780
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: he's like, what are you talking about? He hasn't seen

781
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: anything right, Because at the end of the day, no

782
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: one's watching you. No one's watching you like you're watching you.

783
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: Most of your mistakes is in private, and so I

784
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: often think about that because it's like everybody's so bothered

785
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: about their own stuff and what's going on in their head,

786
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: they're not thinking about you. And so sometimes you just

787
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: have to release a little bit. And I always try

788
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: to think about like what is real?

789
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: What is ego?

790
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: You know?

791
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: And so much of it is ego, so especially around

792
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: the mom part, funnily enough, right, because we're all trying

793
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: to do and be better than what we had and

794
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: change things for our children and be this impossible, wonderful,

795
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: perfect mother. And that's nothing to do with your kids,

796
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: because what your kids want is just a bit of

797
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: you in the most simple way.

798
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: They don't care about any of that stuff.

799
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: And so again, it really is that challenge of really

800
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: sitting down and speaking to your children and thinking to yourself,

801
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: like what actually matters? And I think it's like those

802
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: small moments.

803
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's well said. And as I said, as

804
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: someone who received a lot of that from my mum,

805
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: I felt like I never doubted whether my mom loved

806
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: me or not. Whether she could come to my rugby

807
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: game or not, or whether she could come and watch

808
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: me at the class rehearsals or dramas or whatever we

809
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: were doing. If she was there or she wasn't there,

810
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: that wasn't how I felt long she loved it, absolutely, Yeah,

811
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: because it was so it's it's such a core part

812
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: of my life. I feel today I have like so

813
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: much love to give because of how much my mother

814
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: love And it's not that she was there every one.

815
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the flip side, I'm sure there's people

816
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: who would think, God, my parents were around all the time,

817
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: and and I didn't necessarily.

818
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: Didn't necessarily connect exactly, it didn't necessarily feel connected.

819
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've talked about this before, and I really like it,

820
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: this whole idea of like you can't have it all

821
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: and everyone's always talking about balance, and I agree with you.

822
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: I don't think balance exists either, even in my life

823
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: because I often get that, oh ja mindfulness and meditation,

824
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: but that's not balance, Like you're actually constantly using these

825
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: tools and techniques to be back at a point of

826
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: theory ecanimity. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, to be back at the

827
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: point of equanimity. But there isn't this idealized balance? Now

828
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, you and your partner,

829
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: you both have great careers, you do some things together,

830
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: lots of things individually. How does that like? I guess

831
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: my question there is what is the one thing you

832
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: both need from each other that allows you to stay

833
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: connected whilst having collective empires individual empires and then a

834
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: beautiful family is well on top of all of that.

835
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 2: I honestly think that just comes down to love, because

836
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: it's different things in different moments, and if you really

837
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: really love someone, then you do what they need in

838
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: that moment, whether or not it's good for you right

839
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: there or what you might have discussed right That comes

840
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: down to do I really love this person and want

841
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: the best for them in this thing, this moment, this decision,

842
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: and more than anything, you know, I have such an

843
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: admiration for my husband in so many different ways in

844
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: how he thinks and how he approaches things and what

845
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: type of father he is. And you know, love does

846
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: lots of different things, but you know, usually it grows

847
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: or it dwindles. Right, It's like in relationships, and I

848
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: think that mine is still growing. But it just comes

849
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: down to the fact that I love him. It isn't

850
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: any more complicated than that. We have lots of things

851
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: that we do together, and I do think there is

852
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: a huge thing of this idea of chapters and having

853
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: projects together, you know, to some extent, children at that

854
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: because you go through this like you know, trying to

855
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: get pregnant and then being pregnant and then having the

856
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: baby in those early days, and then those stories about

857
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: those early days, and then buying houses together and doing

858
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: those houses up, and so there is this element. And

859
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: with us, we've also had the businesses that to some degree,

860
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: and in some businesses we've done those things together. And

861
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: so they have been these chapters and these projects that

862
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: have been extremely i'd say pivotal in our life. And

863
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: you often see that that when you know, couples have

864
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: kids that fly the nest, it's like suddenly they don't

865
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: have a project anymore. It's like everything's done and they're like, Okay,

866
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: we don't have anything. So we have that together. But

867
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: I feel like in my life, I'm extremely ritualistic, you know,

868
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: That's just how I am. And there's parts of our

869
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: relationship that have taken on some of those rituals. In

870
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: terms of you know, how we think about time just

871
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: us and not with the children, how we think about

872
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: setting up our mornings, and those things become sort of

873
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: bedrocks and foundations that for what I think is like

874
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: a healthy relationship.

875
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I really gain from what you're saying right now.

876
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: And I hope everyone's listening and taking notes too, because

877
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: there's so many great, great insights that are like you

878
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: just sprinkling them everywhere. I'm like trying to catch them.

879
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: And there's I love the idea that if you value

880
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: a relationship in your life, your relationship is only as

881
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: good as the stories you've lived together and the memories

882
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: you've made. And if you stop making stories and memories

883
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: with people, then you're constantly living in the past.

884
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: Exactly, which is so unhealthy. And you've seen that in

885
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: so many friendships. Right when you're no longer creating together,

886
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: you have nothing but your old memories, and after a

887
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: while that just dwindles. So you need to consistently create.

888
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: And that can be big things or small things. It

889
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: can be building a you know, shed in your back garden,

890
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: but something that you live out together and you see

891
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: to fruition and you create and you make and I

892
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: think that that's a really important part of ever relationship.

893
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to keep doing that and keep getting exciting

894
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: together about something absolutely yeah, rather than just like how

895
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: is your day, and then you're doing your own world

896
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: and then their world and all.

897
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: Of that separation, you know, And that's how so many couples,

898
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: I think where it goes wrong. You're kind of living

899
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: out the most exciting parts of your life entirely separately.

900
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: And I feel with us, you know, it's like.

901
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: We just bought a cold plunge, and like the cold

902
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: plunge has become the thing, right, we're literally just like

903
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: how many minutes are you going to do?

904
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: How many minutes are you going to do?

905
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're gonna put your head under it,

906
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: like you know, but it becomes this thing that you're

907
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: living out together and now will be like cold plunge

908
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: bullies to all of our friends. Even something so small

909
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: like that can be so like magical for a relationship

910
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: because you're learning and pushing and doing something together.

911
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do the same. But my wife she's so good.

912
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: She's not she's so good. I can't even try to

913
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: be well.

914
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: I married a Swedish man, so I feel like I'm

915
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: at a disadvantage, like from the outset and you were

916
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 2: basically born in the ice, Like, come on course, you're

917
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: better at this than I have.

918
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And then we've been playing pickleball as well.

919
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: That's a but I don't think I'm going to I'm

920
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: it's so funny. You guys can come over and you

921
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: can show how it's done.

922
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. And again it's just doing taking

923
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: on a new project and you know, whatever it may be,

924
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: you've I love that you were saying that you love

925
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: memories and that you kind of almost have a memory bank.

926
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, do you think there's

927
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: a memory in your life that you've kind of like

928
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: locked away or hidden away that you kind of like

929
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: it's almost He's in that movie Inception and so he

930
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: locks it away in the basement and he never goes

931
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: there because it kind of it has sometimes gonna be good, bad,

932
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: it can be anything. But do you have a memory

933
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: you've locked away?

934
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: I think I probably have a lot of memories that

935
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: I've locked away. And you know, it's really interesting. We

936
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 2: should have maybe done this podcast back in a month.

937
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the Hoffmann institute. I think

938
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: I have an enormous amount of that in my life.

939
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: And I said to you earlier, you know, I think

940
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: if you're not. I think about my life in terms

941
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: of like practice, right. It's like I'm practicing every day

942
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: like who I want to be. And I think that

943
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: that's a great way to teach my children because they

944
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: do what they see. And I never beat myself up

945
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: about my past, who I've been, my background, where I

946
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: came from, because I know that I'm constantly moving and evolving.

947
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: And I feel like if you're not working on yourself,

948
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: then you're not really living, do you know what I mean?

949
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: I feel like the purpose of my life is to

950
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: explore how I can be the best version of me.

951
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: And I don't just mean that in business. I mean

952
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: in every single facet of my life. How can I

953
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: be the best mum and the best wife and the

954
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: best boss, like all of those things that mean a

955
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: lot to me. But it takes work and it takes practice,

956
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: and I don't get it right every single day. And

957
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: when I think to answer your question about memories and

958
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: things I've locked away, it's when I've not been proud

959
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: of my behavior. But those are always things that I

960
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: am willing to kind of hold my hands up to

961
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: and work on. And I feel like I've done especially

962
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: now I live here. You know, you come and you

963
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: do the work right, It's like it's just the grown

964
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: up thing to do. And I feel like that's been

965
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I've enjoyed being in La so

966
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: much is because I've had this whole obviously all the

967
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: success with the businesses, but on this other side, I've

968
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: had this huge awakening in terms of who I am

969
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: and who I'm supposed to be and how I'm evolving

970
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: as a person. And so I really feel like those

971
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: are things that I'm still exploring and I will be

972
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: until the day I die. You know, I'm always in

973
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: learning mode.

974
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: I love that. And you're invited back afterwards. You don't

975
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: have to worry. No, No, What I mean is I

976
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: hope this is not going to be the last time.

977
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: You can't. But what's a memory that you'd love to

978
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: relive or you revisit offten mentally and you can close

979
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: your eyes and you're like, yeah, I'm there, Like I'd

980
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: love to live that again because.

981
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: It was you know, it's so crazy. I think it's

982
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: probably I mean feel so bad on my kids. But

983
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: the birth of my first child, like that was so

984
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: insane and amazing. And it's really funny because women like

985
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: often say like everything changed. Then you know, it's like

986
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: and I and for me, everything changed in that moment.

987
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: I remember having just had Gray and YenS was holding

988
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: him on like you know, the side of the bed,

989
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: and I thought, I have got to get out of

990
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: this bed and go to the office. And that's all

991
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: I could think of my head because it was like,

992
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I had the reason I was

993
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: doing all of this stuff for. And it never become

994
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: more clear to me than in that moment. I was like, okay,

995
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: like now real life stants. Wow, yeah, yeah, that's really

996
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: how I felt. I was like, get me back, like

997
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: into the office, like immediately.

998
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, forget the baby.

999
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: No, nothing about going home and like snuggling with my child.

1000
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I have a reason to do what

1001
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: I'm doing now, and.

1002
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: That can coexist with loving your kids, because.

1003
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: Again, like you can be so many different things. It's

1004
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: like I am a super nurturing, hands on mum and

1005
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: I really enjoy motherhood.

1006
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: I just have other stuff that I like too.

1007
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, why do I think we struggle to

1008
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: have those two ideas?

1009
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: Your society is setting up that you're one or the other.

1010
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Right you're either putting on your heels and like banging

1011
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: out the door and like don't see your kids and

1012
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: put them to bed, or you're like this really sweet mom.

1013
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: It's like, no ONEm both. I'm actually everything. I am

1014
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: every woman.

1015
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: Like it's just like tough, do you know?

1016
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: It's like I think that actually what it is that

1017
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, there are all of these like misconceptions about

1018
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: what you are allowed to be, and I don't think

1019
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: we put those same things on men, because men can

1020
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: be like totally in the office and killing the DEALM Like,

1021
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: then just be this incredible dad throwing like a football

1022
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: on the weekend. It's like you're fully allowed and it's fine,

1023
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: But for women it's not so fine. And so, you know,

1024
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: so much of what I do in my work and

1025
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: my businesses and actually just sort of trying to be

1026
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: honest about me and how I operate is to dispel

1027
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: a lot of them smiths, because I do think that

1028
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: we are not one dimensional and you can be so

1029
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: many different things and also so many different things to

1030
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: different people. You know, I'm one person to my husband

1031
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: and one to my kids, and if you were to

1032
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: come in my office, I think they give you a

1033
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: whole different version of me.

1034
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: I like it all over it.

1035
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: It's true that we all have to there's all different

1036
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: facets to each part of ourselves, and I want.

1037
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: It's about the level of acceptance, right like are you

1038
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: are you allowed to be that? And is it accepted?

1039
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, Jay, it's so interesting. I

1040
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever listened to a podcast where a

1041
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: man has been asked about imposter syndrome.

1042
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: Not once.

1043
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: It is a question that is the special reserve for women,

1044
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: as is the question of balance.

1045
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: No one says, hey, YenS, how.

1046
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: Are you balancing it all the brands and the business

1047
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: and the kids. No, what says that to my husband?

1048
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 3: They say it to me.

1049
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: Every day, every single day. Or what is it like

1050
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: to be a black woman in business? I'm like, what

1051
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: kind of question is that?

1052
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: You know?

1053
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: But there are things that for women, just like we're

1054
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: still not able to get over this idea that we

1055
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: have in our heads that we can't be many things

1056
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: to many people.

1057
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: And I just don't believe in that.

1058
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: At all, yeah, No, I'm with you and with you,

1059
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: and I really feel that naturally, all those questions are

1060
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: coming because that's what people are scared about and insecure

1061
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: about and worried about. And it's, as you said, it's

1062
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: come because it's been created in society. I read a

1063
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: there was this research paper a long time ago, and

1064
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I won't get it absolutely accurate, but the point was

1065
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: that when men and women look at a job application,

1066
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: if men can do some of it, they'll apply, and

1067
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: even if women can't do one part of it, they

1068
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: won't apply.

1069
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 2: I see that every single day in my own office,

1070
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 2: right a guy will work for me for six months

1071
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: and come and ask me for a pay rise, and

1072
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: then I will say to a woman, I don't think

1073
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: you've had a pay rise for like a year and

1074
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: a half, like do you know what I mean? It's

1075
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: like or somebody that will come in and say, like

1076
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: I speak absolutely fluent Spanish and a woman who's nine

1077
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: you've sent there. I won't even mention it. So there

1078
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: are those obvious things, and that's just about you know,

1079
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: so many times for women there is this natural nurturers.

1080
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: We naturally play.

1081
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: Down our skills, and I think that that is just

1082
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: something that society has taught us, and so I think

1083
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: about it all the time. I'm quite the opposite, you know,

1084
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: I'll go in and pretend I can do anything in

1085
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: a picture meeting, or it's like I'll say what needs

1086
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: to say to get it done, do you know what

1087
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean? But I do think that for so many women,

1088
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: there is this like sort of magical golden moment in

1089
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: your life where you're free of a lot of constraints.

1090
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you don't have a mortgage, you don't

1091
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: have children, yet you're not in a really serious relationship,

1092
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: where there is this moment to be incredibly selfish. And

1093
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: for most women, when all of the responsibilities pylon, they

1094
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: stop doing that. And I think that actually, just as women,

1095
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: we would do better to be selfish for longer in

1096
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: our lives. And that's the type of thing. And so

1097
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: many people will be like, oh, I just don't like

1098
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: the word. I can't you find another way to dress

1099
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: it up? Absolutely no, because I mean what I say.

1100
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: You do have to think about yourself because nobody else

1101
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: is thinking about that for you. Everybody else is too

1102
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: busy thinking about themselves. And so this idea of being

1103
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: selfish shouldn't feel like such a foreign thing for women

1104
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: or a dirty word for women. It's like you have

1105
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: to be there is no other way to get ahead

1106
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: and to do what you want to do. You have

1107
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: to put your needs and your wants and your ambition

1108
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: first because no one is going to do that for you.

1109
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's hard, isn't it? When like you were saying,

1110
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: you've tried to be the boss that you didn't have.

1111
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: I can identify with that. I try and be the

1112
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: bosses that I didn't have. And I think it is

1113
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: really wonderful when you see a great relationship building with

1114
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: people you work with where they recognize you're being the

1115
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: boss that they never had as well and you are too,

1116
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: And you're also realizing they're being a great person of

1117
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: your team that hasn't been like other people have been.

1118
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: How have you learned to like sense that and know

1119
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: that when you're like, Okay, well me and this person

1120
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: can go and build together and create together, or this

1121
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: is the right person to recruit onto my team, or

1122
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: like what are the things that you're looking at and

1123
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: trying to decipher? Because I think right now we do

1124
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: live in a world where also people are thinking about

1125
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: a job as a paycheck and they don't care. Whereas

1126
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: you're very passionate, You're very driven. You always have been

1127
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: since the Deli. So it's like, if you've cared that

1128
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: much about the Delhi and the sandwich, obviously you care

1129
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: so much about what you do today totally, how do

1130
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: you do that? Well?

1131
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: You know, I think I'm really realistic because you will

1132
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 2: have those people in your business that come to work

1133
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: with you literally because you know, a good America we

1134
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: are be court registered, right, and people feel that they

1135
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: want to work in a company that cares about the environment,

1136
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: that cares about what they're putting out. And you'll get

1137
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: people that care about the mission and the vision and

1138
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: the values. But I don't expect that everybody will care.

1139
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: I know that there are some people that just come

1140
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: and they just want their paycheck. And so for me,

1141
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: I try to say separate who I am and what

1142
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: I might need from what somebody else might need. My

1143
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: expectation is that not everybody's bouncing in there trying to

1144
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: kill it for me, right, I'm really sure that a

1145
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: lot of these people come in and they do their

1146
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: job and they're working on their side hustle halfway through

1147
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: the day, and that's okay. You know, it's like, that's

1148
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: not for everyone. And I think that as I've got older,

1149
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: I've learned not to put my type of ambition on,

1150
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, or not to try to reflect that onto

1151
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: everybody that's around me. And those people, well, of course

1152
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: they'll rise to the top, they'll make themselves known.

1153
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: But it isn't for everybody.

1154
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1155
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: It's just a fact. And also you need that when

1156
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: you're building a team. If everybody was an ambitious little monster,

1157
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: it would be a disaster.

1158
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1159
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: You need people happy to come in, grind, do their job,

1160
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: and leave at five o'clock.

1161
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: That's just facts. Yeah. Absolutely, how did you make that leap?

1162
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: Like you just said earlier, I'm just connecting the dots

1163
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: you were, like, I was never around anyone who's an entrepreneur,

1164
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: had their own business. Everyone worked a job. Yeah, how

1165
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: did you accident?

1166
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: Jay? Sheeddy?

1167
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a total accident, because you know, I

1168
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: never set out to start my own company. I was

1169
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: frustrated that I wasn't being paid enough where I worked,

1170
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: and then was like, all right, well if you don't

1171
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: like that, then you're going to have to do something else.

1172
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: But I was also acutely aware that no one was

1173
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: going to come and hand me a company on a

1174
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: play like it's this company to run. You pass them

1175
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: with no experience and you know, you kind of jumped

1176
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 2: up twenty four year old, and so I was very

1177
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: like acutely aware that I'd have to do it myself.

1178
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: And that's where it came from. Like, you know, I'd

1179
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: love to say that I had this like great idea

1180
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: and this great ambition, but it came out of like

1181
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: frustration and not being paid enough and feeling like I

1182
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 2: wasn't getting the value back that I put in.

1183
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: That's the honest answer. Yeah, no, And I think that's

1184
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: very relatable. I think most people are in positions like that,

1185
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: but that doesn't lead to the courage, yes to do it,

1186
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: to do it because we feel like, well, what if

1187
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't work? And say what you know, and all

1188
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: those kind of things that come up because we're scared.

1189
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: Even for me, Like I remember I had a steady

1190
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: job and I was this is after I'd left the monastery,

1191
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: had come back home, I'd finally found a steady job.

1192
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: I was dating such a.

1193
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: Good sentence after I left the monastery, isn't it good?

1194
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 2: It's so after I left the monastery, I.

1195
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: Was just starting to give context and then this is

1196
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: this is the British em like, really, I love it.

1197
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: I love it.

1198
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: I don't have a sentence like that, and I want one.

1199
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: I might just take it after I out.

1200
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: You've got to be You've got You've got plenty. But no.

1201
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: The so I was in the steady job and it

1202
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: was like I was dating my now wife and I

1203
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: remember going, this is not working for me. And I

1204
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: wasn't killing it and I wasn't doing badly. I was,

1205
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: I was doing all right, but I just knew it

1206
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: wasn't my place. And I remember I probably spent two

1207
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: years there feeling that way totally. You kind of just

1208
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: one you just thinking about it, reflecting on it. You're like,

1209
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: what do I do? What if it doesn't work? And

1210
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: so walk us through that a little bit because I

1211
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of our listeners may actually be feeling

1212
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: that way. A lot of our audience is actually listening going,

1213
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd love to I'd love to forget

1214
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: doing what Emma's done now. I just love to gal

1215
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: where I am now, because you know what I mean.

1216
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 2: I think The truth of it was that I've never

1217
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: been that scared of failing, right, and for me, at

1218
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: that time in my life, I was making a small

1219
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: amount of money. It's fair to say that I didn't

1220
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: have any you know, no one was relying on me

1221
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: to pay when I had a tiny, tiny little I

1222
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: lived in like a high rise in East London with

1223
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: no front door and a gate on the door, no oven,

1224
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: just a microwave, no fridge. I put my milk on

1225
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: the balcony just to paint the picture of like where

1226
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: I was at that time in my life. It was rough,

1227
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: and honestly, what I thought is that how could I lose?

1228
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: Like at this point, I could always go and get

1229
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: another similarly not inspiring job, And so that idea of

1230
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: like fear of not failing was really key. But I

1231
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: also was really I've always been very honest with myself,

1232
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: Like you know, everybody has a voice in their head,

1233
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: and some people have a voice that like chats them up,

1234
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: you know, it's like I do. But I also have

1235
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: that voice that's like, Emma, like know what you don't know?

1236
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: They don't be too silly in this situation. So I

1237
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: think that I really in that instance where I decided like,

1238
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: let's get out of this job and try to go

1239
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: and do something else. It was enough understanding of it

1240
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: wasn't that good where I was. If it really didn't

1241
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: work out, I could always get back into something like that.

1242
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: But also that thing that just says what happens if

1243
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: you don't do it, you know, Like for me, I

1244
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: was miserable and I really saw a better life for myself,

1245
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: and I was like, I will just regret this when

1246
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm thirty five, for example, And so it was really

1247
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: about just going like, you know, no one's going to

1248
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: take a chance on me. I have to take the

1249
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: chance on me, and then maybe someone else will be

1250
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: inspired to take a chance at me, which is ultimately

1251
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: what happened. I left that role, I got employed in

1252
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: another job, and then when I got into that job,

1253
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: my now husband and business partner at that time they

1254
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: kind of saw me and they were like, well, this

1255
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: girl's like kind of good, she has something, And they

1256
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: ended up being my first investors when I was twenty

1257
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: five years old.

1258
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: That's incredible, which was.

1259
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: Crazy, which to me even at the time it felt crazy,

1260
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: and I remember questioning I was like, why would anyone

1261
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: invest me? In, and then I thought, now, of course

1262
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: i'd invested me, who are you going to invest in?

1263
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: Like you might as well I'm as good as anybody

1264
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: else out there. And that's when that thing started ticking in.

1265
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: So I think, sometimes you've just got to not be

1266
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: too afraid to lose. And you know, the truth is, Jay,

1267
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: I have lost and failed more times than I've succeeded. Right,

1268
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: we don't talk about that. That's not in the articles.

1269
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't post that on Instagram. But that's just the fact,

1270
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: Like I've made so many mistakes before I got here

1271
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: and had three very successful companies. I had a dog

1272
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: an agency that I opened here in a very successful

1273
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: business that was thriving in London and thriving in New York,

1274
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: and I opened an office in LA and I embarrassed myself.

1275
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: I completely let the you know, I let the company down,

1276
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: and let the ball down and let the staff down.

1277
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: I underinvested, I did all of the classic mistakes. And

1278
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: you know, at the time, I felt like it was

1279
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: the end of like my company and my career, but

1280
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

1281
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 3: It was just a failure.

1282
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: I've had lots of things like that happened, lots of

1283
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, public embarrassments and things that didn't work out,

1284
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it sounds like such an obvious thing,

1285
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: but it's like, well, how do you recover from that?

1286
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: And so for me, it's like always been this thing

1287
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: of like, all right, well I've dust myself off, I've

1288
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: survived worse, you know, and I think a lot of.

1289
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: That comes from my upbringing.

1290
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1291
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: It's like you see a lot of stuff go down

1292
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: and you can get through things. Yeah, I think I'm

1293
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 2: pretty good at getting through things.

1294
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: And this is that quincy moment where I'm like, I

1295
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: didn't even know. Yeah, it's amazing. It's just like you

1296
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: just you know you. It's so fascinating how quickly we are.

1297
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating how quickly we point out people's faults

1298
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: and then forget about them. And that happens so far because.

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01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: It's not as fun as story, right, people want at

1300
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: the end of the day. I believe in, you know,

1301
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: the goodness of humans. We default want good stuff for

1302
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: each other, and we want to see each other when

1303
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: and people are very happy to celebrate alongside you. You're

1304
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: much more concerned about your failures. You're much more concerned

1305
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: about your fears than anybody else out there, and I

1306
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: think every now and again I kind of just have

1307
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: to tune myself back into to that piece of it.

1308
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it sounds like what I really like is

1309
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: that you've got this ability. And I've been watching the

1310
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: whole interview, and it's like you've got this ability to

1311
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: know what the different voices in your head are. Yes,

1312
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: you're very clear about like this is the one that's

1313
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: being real, this is the ego, this is giving me

1314
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: the hype that I need right now, one hundred percent.

1315
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: But also you know, I know their voices. I know

1316
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: they're not me, and I always knew that because I

1317
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: have an ability, Like my whole superpower in life is

1318
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: about being able to turn it on and off. And

1319
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: so I am acutely aware that those are just things

1320
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: and that I have at my disposal, and sometimes they

1321
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: work to my advantage and sometimes they work to my disadvantage.

1322
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,959
Speaker 2: But I don't think that it's me. Does that make sense?

1323
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: Like it's like I know who I am, and like

1324
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: it ain't all of that, it's not the chatter, none

1325
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: of it. It's just I'm something else.

1326
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, that's an incredible distinction to know

1327
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: and have and build. Did that come from? Did you

1328
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: read something? Did you learn something? Was it just you

1329
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: started listening to yourself. Did you spend a lot of

1330
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: time alone. I'm intrigued as to what you did to

1331
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: gain that skill, because it's a skill and you're obviously

1332
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: aware of it, you know.

1333
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: I think I'm just that like Oprah generation.

1334
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

1335
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: You come home every day from school. Oprah was on

1336
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: the TV telling you to be grateful with you What

1337
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: do I have to be grateful for? Have you see

1338
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: my house? Have you see my trainers? I need new shoes,

1339
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: like you know. And it's like I didn't get it then,

1340
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: but I started to believe it and I started to read.

1341
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, I am an avid reader.

1342
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: I read so much everything and always have since I

1343
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: was thirteen. And again it was that means of escapism,

1344
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: and so I started reading things like you know, the

1345
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: Power of Now or like you know, like all of

1346
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: these things that like conversations with God, I remember, you know,

1347
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: It's like and I was like, just blew my mind

1348
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: because I didn't know anybody that thought like that, and

1349
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: so maybe I just absorbed it. A couple of books yeah,

1350
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: you know, and it went in like and it made

1351
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: sense to me.

1352
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: No, it's as simple as that, and the same generation,

1353
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: Like I grew up in the same way, And it's

1354
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: so true, how like these tiny little messages just start

1355
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: connecting dots and that's kind of what kids are built

1356
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: on and young people are built on. It isn't you

1357
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: could have heard the same thing at school every day,

1358
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: but because it wasn't simplified and easy and digestible one hundred,

1359
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: you don't remember it, but you remember the random TV

1360
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: show you watched in the back exactly. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,

1361
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: I love I love witnessing it in an interview with

1362
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: someone where you're like, Wow, this person's away and I

1363
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: want to talk more about Hopefully this is what you

1364
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: don't get to talk about as much or maybe, like

1365
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, like men get asked this stuff and maybe

1366
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: women don't. I'm intrigued. But like we were talking earlier,

1367
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: you're a brand marketing genius. Like you're super attentive, aware, conscious,

1368
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: You have this ability to think about products and brand

1369
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: in a different way. How do you select problems to solve?

1370
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: How do you choose which problems you want to work

1371
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: on and then make sure that you build something that

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01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: actually solves that problem.

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: I think about it in the sense of myself. I

1374
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: think it would be very difficult for me. And I'm

1375
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: not saying other people can't do it, but to do

1376
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: things that you can't relate to, right, So I always

1377
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: start with the idea that if it's a problem for me,

1378
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: likelihood is it's a problem for other people like me,

1379
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: whether that be other young women or other women in

1380
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: the middle of America. But it's like the starting point.

1381
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: It's always what do I find problematic? And then I

1382
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: think the lens and the kind of red thread that

1383
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: goes through all of my companies is this idea that

1384
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: And again I hate saying it because in the last

1385
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: kind of five years it's almost become like this sort

1386
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 2: of buzzword.

1387
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Speaker 3: But when we.

1388
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 2: Think about inclusivity and business and what that actually means,

1389
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: including and thinking about the most amount of people possible.

1390
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: When I started Good American, it was actually a reaction

1391
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: to this idea that so many women, women of color,

1392
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: plus size women as just completely left out of the

1393
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: fashion conversation and why is there dollar any less valuable

1394
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: than anybody else's? And so I had worked in marketing

1395
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 2: for all of these years. For fifteen years, I grew

1396
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: this incredible agency, and I'd done castings and you know,

1397
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: put projects and collaborations together for the biggest and best

1398
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: brands in the whole world. And I'd been part of

1399
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: actually falsifying an image of inclusivity.

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: You know.

1401
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: It's like you have a group cars, you need a

1402
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: black girl and an Asian girl and then this and

1403
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: and actually when you thought about the product and when

1404
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: you thought about the senior management of those companies, it

1405
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 2: looked nothing like that, right. It just the product didn't

1406
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: work for anyone over a certain size, and the boardrooms

1407
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: were just all made up of typically like white men

1408
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: making the decisions usually for women. And I just sort

1409
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: of thought to myself, there must be a better way

1410
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: to start a company. But it came from problem solving

1411
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: for myself. And I go back to this idea of like,

1412
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, when you think about businesses, it makes more

1413
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: sense that they would be geared towards serving more people.

1414
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: That's just good business, right. Forget d E and I

1415
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: forget like, you know, this idea of diversity, equity, inclusion

1416
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: doing some being something that companies need to do now.

1417
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: It's just good business. And when I talk about it,

1418
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: this idea of inclusivity and diversity being a superpower in business,

1419
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: it's not something that I just said, it's something that

1420
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,479
Speaker 2: I do. That's where the process actually starts. I'm thinking

1421
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: about how can I best serve customers the most amount

1422
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: of people. And then when there's an acknowledgment of someone

1423
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: who isn't usually acknowledged, of course it goes without saying that.

1424
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: Suddenly they feel seen, they feel heard, and they're like,

1425
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm going with this girl, I'm going with this brand

1426
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: because it's the first time anyone's spoken directly to them.

1427
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: And I think that it's such an underthought about part

1428
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: of business. You know, people usually bolt it on at

1429
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 2: the end, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, it's right

1430
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: where you start. It's in the inception of those products.

1431
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: It's in making thirty two sizes, it's in doing nine

1432
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: different shades. It's in the very very beginnings of what

1433
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: you're creating, and then you can dress it up and

1434
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: make it look nice and put the right kind of

1435
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: branding on it. But actually it starts way earlier than that,

1436
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: and so I actually think about customers in a way

1437
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: that I think most people don't.

1438
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: Where did you not learn that? But where did you

1439
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: learn to look to understand that? Obviously it started with yourself,

1440
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: But I'm like, why didn't people do that before? Because,

1441
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: like you just said, it's better business, it's better financially,

1442
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: it makes more sense, it makes more people happy. What

1443
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: do you think blocks companies?

1444
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: It just comes from where decisions are being made, right,

1445
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: because it's like you don't know what you don't know.

1446
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: And I've sat in enough rooms trying to pitch enough

1447
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: businesses to a group of people that aren't my end audience,

1448
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: and I have actually said in meetings before, maybe you

1449
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: should phone your wife or daughter, like literally like phone

1450
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: them because you don't understand this because it's not for you,

1451
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: you know. And so I think that decisions are made

1452
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: in such an abstract way in most companies. And you

1453
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: know you see this when you know companies make mistakes, right,

1454
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: there were seen a lot of like big fashion brands

1455
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: and big consumer brands make mistakes that have seemingly kind

1456
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 2: of come across as like insensitive, racist, completely misogynistic. That's

1457
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: just where a decision is made. A company isn't inherently racist,

1458
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: like the whole company. It's just a decision making process

1459
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: is flawed. Are you there's not enough people in the

1460
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: room of a different background to'say, hey, perhaps put the

1461
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: T shirt on the other kid, like then it won't

1462
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: be an issue. So I think that this just comes

1463
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: from the idea of like, where are the decisions made

1464
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 2: in that company and who's making the decisions? And I

1465
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: know that the more people you bring around to table

1466
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 2: from different backgrounds. We're not just talking about race here,

1467
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: we're talking about age, education, the full gambit, like, the

1468
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: better the company will be.

1469
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is such great. I love what you just

1470
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: said about asking someone to call their partner or their

1471
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: daughter or son or whatever it may be, because you're

1472
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: so right, Like I think so many people sit in

1473
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: meetings and they're looking around, going these people don't know

1474
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, or like they just don't understand totally.

1475
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: How have you maintained Like I guess the question is

1476
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: how many of those meetings have did you have to

1477
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: sit in until you felt like I'm just going to

1478
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: do this or we're just going to figure it out,

1479
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: or did you look for someone who agreed with you

1480
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: and had your values and did the research or was

1481
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,480
Speaker 1: it kind of like we're just going to build it ourselves,

1482
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: Like give us a bit of that, because I think

1483
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people.

1484
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: Know, you know, it's so interesting. I'm at that point

1485
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: in my career now where I don't sit in a

1486
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 2: lot of meetings. Now they pitched me, which is lovely

1487
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: the I'm like, come over here and I'll let you

1488
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 2: know if you can come in. But in the early days,

1489
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: you know, I think that I sat in a lot

1490
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 2: of situations feeling like, you know, the great thing is,

1491
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 2: I never doubted myself or any of those ideas.

1492
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: I just thought I hadn't found the right people yet.

1493
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like, you know, I'm happy to

1494
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 2: kiss a lot of frogs, and I always have been,

1495
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: because again, I don't think it should be so easy

1496
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: when you're doing something that is new and without so

1497
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: much definition and unproven, like it's supposed to be hard.

1498
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: And again it's like anything, I never let it get

1499
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 2: to me. I just was like, poor poor chicken. He

1500
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: doesn't get it yet, and he will do and he

1501
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: will kick himself. You know, it's fine, you know, it's

1502
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: just it's part of it. And I don't mean that

1503
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: in a smug way, but I never I never doubted

1504
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,919
Speaker 2: what I was doing. I was very very clear, especially

1505
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: when we started Good America, and I was like, this

1506
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 2: thing people don't understand, and we'll just get them to

1507
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: understand it.

1508
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, yeah, no. And I think that's such a

1509
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: great mindset to have and do not have the smugness

1510
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: or bitterness because exactly that person just wasn't in the

1511
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: right space. You don't know what you don't know totally.

1512
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: It's totally cool. I feel like that all the time.

1513
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to find the people who want

1514
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: to be part of this story. And if they don't

1515
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: want to be a part of this story, that's totally cool,

1516
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: of course.

1517
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: Because they won't be great partners to you down the line. Right,

1518
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: It's like you either get it and you want to

1519
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 2: be part of it, and you are happy to know

1520
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 2: that you don't know it all right, because it's about

1521
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: new space. It's like if we were all doing the

1522
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: same thing and trying to set up the same companies,

1523
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: we'd never find the skims exactly.

1524
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 3: You know, It's like you'd never land on it.

1525
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: You'd be like, that's too complicated, that's not how we

1526
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: do things, and you'd skip over the great stuff.

1527
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: How have you managed to continue to stay hungry and

1528
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: also stay innovative when things are good? Like before you

1529
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: talking about I didn't like my job, but wanted to

1530
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: get out, you know, milk was outdoors, I was. You know,

1531
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a pain that pushes you in

1532
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: a better direction. I'm not saying you don't have pain anymore.

1533
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: Of course there's stresses.

1534
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 3: I don't have that much pain. I have daily dramas,

1535
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 3: but the pain has gone. You know what it is?

1536
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 3: You are fueled every day by.

1537
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 2: A piece of it is competition, right, It's like I

1538
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: look at everything. There is no one who knows more

1539
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: about jeans and nickers than I do. I look at

1540
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: every competitor I go out in the market. I see it.

1541
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: I know, like the promotional cadence. I know everything everybody

1542
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: else is doing. And I think that that natural inquisitiveness

1543
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: is part of what keeps me good. But at the

1544
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's like I just want to win,

1545
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like I don't feel satisfied. And

1546
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 2: also it's like, how could you It's just been a

1547
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: couple of years. There's loads of people that had successes

1548
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: for six and for three years. I don't think that's

1549
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 2: the end goal. The end goal is to build like

1550
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, generational or generationally defining businesses, and that doesn't

1551
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: happen quickly. And also I'm not stupid enough to think

1552
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: like or to let a few years' success get to me.

1553
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that had a few years success.

1554
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: Do you know?

1555
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 3: That's not the end game.

1556
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 2: And so I think about now, it's about, you know,

1557
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: really taking the foundations of what we've felt, not sacrificing

1558
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 2: any of your principles, and still being able to grow

1559
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 2: and to thrive and to higher people.

1560
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: But that gets more and more difficult the bigger you get.

1561
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 2: Right, there's one thing saying oh, we're going to do

1562
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: business this way, when there are ten of you and

1563
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: you're doing a million dollars, it's very very different all

1564
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 2: these years in because there's no model, there's nothing that

1565
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: you can go out and emulate. We are making it

1566
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: up as we're going along.

1567
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you how do you define winning now? Like?

1568
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: Is that how you define winning? You know?

1569
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 2: I define winning now by doing things that excite me, Like,

1570
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's like we just launched this insane push

1571
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: up bra at Skims and everyone's talking about it. It's

1572
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: all over the place, and you know, like that's exciting

1573
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: to me because like some one of my girls in

1574
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: England will call me and be like, oh my god.

1575
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 3: I need to get that bra.

1576
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: You know, I love that, and I still get a

1577
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: thrill from you know, It's like I love what I do,

1578
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 2: Like I genuinely really love it, and I just want

1579
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: to keep getting better at it. And for me, it

1580
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: comes in so many different ways. It's like I love

1581
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: giving people opportunities. I love the hiring part of it

1582
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: and getting to work with all different people, and I

1583
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 2: think that those things for me feel really successful. But

1584
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: if you to ask me just to like boil it down,

1585
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 2: it would be like to continue the growth and what

1586
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: we're doing without sacrificing the principles that we set the

1587
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: companies up with.

1588
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to.

1589
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: Dial it down because we're you know, reaching some kind

1590
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 2: of like critical mass.

1591
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how do you You know we were talking

1592
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: about that. You have daily dramas you said.

1593
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 3: Not pains.

1594
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 2: No, nobody talks to me when things are going well.

1595
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: My life is just a series of problems, you know,

1596
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: from the minute I wake up to you know, the

1597
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: minute I go to bed, Like that's just a fact.

1598
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: The stress level is unbelievable. And I do think that

1599
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 2: that's important because you wouldn't know that looking at me

1600
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: or maybe just speaking to me. But you know, my

1601
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: job is not all you know, trying different fabrics out

1602
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: and hanging around with models that that's just not what

1603
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,440
Speaker 2: I do exactly.

1604
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what do you find to be the most

1605
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: stressful thing about building a business and what do you

1606
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: do in order to deal with it?

1607
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: I think the most stressful thing is probably the expectations,

1608
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 2: right that that comes from the outside. I honestly believe

1609
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: you're only as good as your last launch. I never

1610
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 2: ever drink the kool aid ever, and I think that,

1611
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 2: you know, I happen to work in extremely high profile

1612
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: businesses where everything that we do is scrutinized, and with

1613
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 2: that comes a level of stress. It comes back to

1614
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: that thing of being very ritualistic. I, you know, am

1615
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: militant about the things that work for me. You know,

1616
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: I suffer with migrains, I get super you know, I

1617
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: carry stress like in my body and so it's like

1618
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 2: I get up very early, I wake up, I work out,

1619
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: I meditate. I make sure I have to be up

1620
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 2: before my children are up because I need like quiet time,

1621
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 2: I need time to like focus. I'm like religiously grateful,

1622
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: like I have trained myself to focus on the great

1623
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 2: stuff in my life because I feel like there is

1624
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: so much noise, you know, whether I like it or not,

1625
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: And so I could be overwhelmed every day in the

1626
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: things that are going on around me.

1627
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 3: And at the end of it, I'm like.

1628
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: Looking up, going wow, the ceiling in my bedroom, Like

1629
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 2: how could you even have a sick I could never

1630
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: imagine that such a beautiful ceiling ever. You know, It's

1631
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: like I am someone who truly stops to smell the roses,

1632
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:10,879
Speaker 2: Like quite literally, I can find good, happiness, joy in anything,

1633
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: and I really make it a point and a priority

1634
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: to do that every day. And even as I have

1635
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: my tea, you know, it's like I have special tea

1636
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: from Japan and I have a special pop that I

1637
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: put it in and I just like taste it and

1638
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: every day it's like I'm tasting it for the first time.

1639
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: But if I didn't do those things, I would lose

1640
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: my mind, you know, I would lose my mind, and

1641
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 2: so I think I've just trained myself to like enjoy

1642
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: the kind of the rituals and the small things and

1643
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: be hyper grateful because there is no difference between me

1644
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: and all of those kids that I went to school

1645
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 2: with in East London, and I should be so lucky.

1646
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: It's like we're here in the sunshine overlook, in the

1647
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 2: whole of LA I'm chatting to you. I'm going to

1648
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: go into my office where I'm the boss, and people

1649
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 2: are going to feel me chatting about stuff like I

1650
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: don't have anything to complain about.

1651
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I bet And from what I've learned today,

1652
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: you were like that even when the milk.

1653
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 3: Was outside, I was like, at least I have a balcony.

1654
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1655
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 3: I don't have a fridge, but I have a balcony.

1656
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because because if it wasn't there, then it wouldn't

1657
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: be there. Now. If you went on a walk with

1658
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: little Emma as a memory, you like held hands and

1659
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: you went on a little walk with it, what do

1660
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: you think she'd say to you?

1661
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 3: I think she'd say, well done, love you did it?

1662
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 3: Keep going? Keep going?

1663
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so what would you say back oday?

1664
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: I am I'm really walking forward now?

1665
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: Stopting pressure on me.

1666
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: I always sit here and I think, oh my goodness,

1667
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of myself. But honestly, Jay, when I

1668
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: think about what that means for me now and the

1669
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: level of responsibility that I feel, that is the thing

1670
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 2: that really fuels me today, because when I do something,

1671
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: I feel a weight and an expectation a group of

1672
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 2: people that have been historically left out and marginalized from

1673
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: a lot of these conversations and a lot of these opportunities.

1674
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 2: And there is this huge sense of responsibility that I

1675
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: have for women, especially sort of young black women and

1676
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 2: minority women and kids that just grew up poor anywhere.

1677
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: I think about all that stuff every single day, and

1678
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 2: I think that real success for me will be when

1679
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: I am able to really pull what I've got and

1680
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: what it is that I strive for and continue to

1681
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: achieve and has that affect a lot more people. And

1682
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 2: I do that in ways, you know, like through my

1683
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: chairmanship of the fifteen Percent Pledge. That's been like a

1684
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 2: huge undertaking an amazing amount of work that I have

1685
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: been able to do. But for me, it's like that

1686
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 2: is only kind of scratching the surface. And I think

1687
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: more and more of my work will be in how

1688
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 2: can I help so many more people that are like me,

1689
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, get out of their circumstances and be able

1690
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: to contribute more, Because it just is mesmerizing to me

1691
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: that I've been able to go so far and it

1692
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: ain't because I'm something special. It's because there were a

1693
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 2: series of circumstances and then enough kind of gritin determination

1694
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: that I was able to do it. And so it's like,

1695
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 2: how do you put other people into the same circumstances

1696
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 2: so that if they have the will, that they can

1697
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 2: do it too?

1698
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: And so that's where I'm fixated right now. Was one

1699
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: of your favorite success stories from that or like a

1700
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: memory or story from that?

1701
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: Well, Well, you know, it's so funny because it happens

1702
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: again in the in the smallest ways, right It's like

1703
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: I'll have a chat. I get hundreds of people reach

1704
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: out to me to say, listen, I'm starting a business.

1705
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm selling ten thousand dollars a month

1706
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: in this COVID brand. And it's like I'll jump on

1707
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: the phone and I'll give someone some advice. Like, you know,

1708
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: I had a girl a couple of years ago. She

1709
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 2: was like, I think I'm going to get into Selfridges

1710
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: and I want to know how to do that, how

1711
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: to I structure the contract. Anyway, fast forward two years later,

1712
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: I do my first ever ask me anything because my

1713
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: team pressured me into it. I'm like, social, it's just

1714
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: not my bag. But anyway, so I do the first

1715
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: ask me anything, and all the girls are asking me

1716
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Speaker 2: the same questions.

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Speaker 3: Right, how do you start a business? How do you sy?

1718
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 3: I did it?

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01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: And this girl comes up and then shehes, I just

1720
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: want to let.

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01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 2: You know that I now do, however, many tens of

1722
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: thousands a week at Selfridges, and it was all because

1723
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: you helped me walk through that contract and I took

1724
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: your advice and I, you know, I stuck to the

1725
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: distribution plan and did it and I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, you know. And so it's always those tiny

1727
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: things for me. And again, that's just about giving someone

1728
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: your time. So I'm really trying to think thoughtfully about

1729
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: how I can do more of that in a a

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01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 2: more systematic and a bigger way, because sadly I can't

1731
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Speaker 2: answer every phone call or every DM what comes to Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That's so beautiful? And I

1733
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: think that that component is such a big part of

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01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: happiness and success is because you're so right, Like no

1735
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: one who's got the top is any more special. Just

1736
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 1: going back to what your mum said at the beginning,

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: and as soon as you start thinking it, or people

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01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: also start thinking it that oh, yeah, that person's there

1739
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: because they're faster, smart, better, or when we do the opposite,

1740
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 1: when we go they don't deserve to be there exactly,

1741
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: both of those. Just take it away, and I look

1742
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: at your journey and I'm so I really admire the

1743
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: way you live and think, like it's really it's such

1744
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: a wonderful mindset and it's such a strong You've been

1745
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: able to craft something that's so resilient and you can

1746
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's so what you've been able to build.

1747
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about almost like if we were able

1748
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: to physically look at your mindset. It's so resilient because

1749
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: I can hear as we've approached it from so many

1750
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: different points of view. It's like you have such a

1751
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: clear philosophy on how you live, who you are, what matters,

1752
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: what doesn't matter. I look at that clarity when I

1753
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: see you as like that's the reason you are who

1754
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: you are and where you are. It's because you're just

1755
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: so clear, and I feel like, no matter what would

1756
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: happen either way, it's like, that is what you're betting on,

1757
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: and that's what you've been building and focused on.

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Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, I think, so, someone write that down.

1759
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: I really mean it. I really mean it.

1760
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Speaker 2: So kind, it's so kind. I love that you say that.

1761
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 2: It makes me. It makes me so happy because you

1762
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 2: never think about yourself in such clear terms like that, right,

1763
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,799
Speaker 2: It never you are who you are in so many ways.

1764
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: You know, when I see that with my own kids,

1765
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: they're like four people that I think, well, you got

1766
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: exactly the same upbringing. We all live in the same house,

1767
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 2: I don't do one thing different, and yet they are

1768
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 2: just these like four tiny individuals.

1769
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 3: And it's six months.

1770
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: It's like, you know exactly what kind of kids you've got,

1771
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: Like you know if this kid is like super anxious,

1772
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: if this kid's super obnoxious, you know exactly who they are.

1773
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's lots of things and changes coming in

1774
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 2: their life, but so much of it is just in you, right,

1775
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 2: and you know, and then you layer circumstances onto that,

1776
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: and you know what you're capable of, what you can

1777
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: and can't affect and what you should be doing, And

1778
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 2: so I always look at it. It's like I was

1779
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 2: living like a very nice, very privileged life in England

1780
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 2: and I moved here specifically for work, and it's been

1781
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: wonderful for work, but in so many other facets of

1782
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: my life, being in LA has been an eye opener

1783
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: and it's actually fueled me in a way that I

1784
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: really never expected. And I always think, you know, if

1785
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: you elevate your health, you elevate your life. It's like

1786
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: if you elevate your thinking, you elevate you know what

1787
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: your capabilities are. And so for me, it's just been

1788
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 2: wonderful and an amazing moment to be here because I've

1789
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: been able to elevate so many things that I do,

1790
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 2: and I think that that should only end up in

1791
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 2: like a bunch of other people being able to benefit

1792
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: from that.

1793
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Speaker 1: Absolutely well said write that down printed? Oh that was yeah,

1794
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: I no, absolutely, Like, I think it's incredible. How you know,

1795
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people label LA as Hollywood

1796
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: and think of it as just that. Yeah, but it's

1797
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: like I feel the same way as you, like, moving here,

1798
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: like my eyes have opened up to so many more

1799
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: things that are really valuable, important, insightful, and met people

1800
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 1: who are doing incredible things. You know what you just

1801
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: said now of like opening the door and trying to

1802
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: break down. We had, you know, just a few months ago,

1803
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: we had Lewis Hamilton here talking about forty four and

1804
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: talking about how he's trying to help, you know, trying

1805
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: to help people of color get into the world of

1806
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Speaker 1: Formula one, which is a normal which him and his

1807
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: father were able to do. Like you start seeing that

1808
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 1: happen across fashion, sports business, and that's so incredible because

1809
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: you start thinking about all those little Emmas and little

1810
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: Lewis's and everyone else out there totally who is just

1811
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: trying to figure out whether they have a shot. Yeah,

1812
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: and they do. Yeah, Emma. We we end every episode

1813
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: with the final five, which we sit down and do

1814
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 1: as a fast five, which means every answer has to

1815
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: be one word to one sentence maximum.

1816
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 3: One word to one sentence. All right.

1817
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: I always ruin it because I get intrigued, So all right, okay,

1818
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 1: so em agree, these are your final five. The first

1819
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: question is what is the best advice you've ever heard

1820
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: or received.

1821
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: I wish that I could make this sound as powerful

1822
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 2: as it was for me. It's the first thing to say,

1823
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: but it's a good one. It was to make a

1824
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: decision and move on, because you can be so stifled

1825
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: by your decisions, and when you are just stuck, it

1826
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 2: just does so many other things to you. And so

1827
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 2: I think it served me really well in so many ways.

1828
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: I used to think about it just for business, and

1829
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: now I don't. I think it's make a decision and

1830
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 2: move on.

1831
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I always say to people, stop trying to

1832
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: make the right decision. Just make a decision and then

1833
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: make it right.

1834
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Speaker 3: Totally saying you can go back, you can go back afterwards.

1835
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's great. We've never had that that.

1836
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever

1837
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: heard or received?

1838
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 3: Stay in your lane?

1839
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: What was the lane?

1840
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, but someone was trying to stifle me,

1841
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 2: and lucky enough, I listened to my little emma inside

1842
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: and gave her a big old bit.

1843
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 3: I never stay in your lane.

1844
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because I think all the growth in

1845
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: my life has come when I have stepped outside of

1846
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: whatever lane I was in at that time, and so

1847
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: it's useless advice absolutely.

1848
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Speaker 1: Question number three, how would someone who doesn't know you

1849
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: that well describe you in three words. I wish if

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Speaker 2: Always such a worry. I mean, goodness, me, the things

1853
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Speaker 2: I've been called. How would someone describe me? I think

1854
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 2: they would describe me as like kind, I'm a kind person, ambitious,

1855
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 2: and like not to be messed around with?

1856
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Speaker 1: Got it? I like it? I like the third run

1857
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: not to mess around?

1858
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: Can think about the one. I think that's what people

1859
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: think about me. They're like tough, Yeah, tough, tough, kind

1860
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: but tough, ambitious.

1861
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: Question before, how would someone who knows you very deeply

1862
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: describe you in three words?

1863
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: Sensitive, very thoughtful, and tough.

1864
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: That's brilliant. We need to get to verify.

1865
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 3: To verify for sure you go tough to love it

1866
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 3: and them.

1867
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Speaker 1: Your final question fifth to final question, If you could

1868
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,

1869
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: what would it be?

1870
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Speaker 2: You know, very specifically for the time we're in right now,

1871
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: it would be to lead with kindness nothing else.

1872
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need it in every little interaction.

1873
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:54,480
Speaker 3: In everything.

1874
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: It's so powerful and it's what I teach my kids,

1875
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, just be kind, Like it doesn't

1876
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: take much and it goes so unbelievably far, you know.

1877
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 2: And when I say that about myself being kind, it's

1878
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: like that is something that I think about every single day,

1879
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 2: Like how am I treating people?

1880
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: What do people get from me?

1881
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about everyone, you know, like everyone, It's

1882
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Speaker 2: just a fact.

1883
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Speaker 1: Just be kind and agreed. Thank you for coming on

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Speaker 1: on Perverse. This was incredible. Everyone has been listening and

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Speaker 1: Maybe there was so much wisdom sprinkled across this entire episode.

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Speaker 1: I hope that this helps you make a shift in

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1894
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Speaker 1: show a ton of love, Emma, thank you for doing this,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for opening up. Thank you for being so

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Speaker 1: real and wonderful to spend this much time with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's been a pleasure. I've loved every second. I'm

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Speaker 2: so grateful to you. Thank you too, Jack, Thank you

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Speaker 2: so good to see.

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